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Weird. Rome has an American Pope and America has a Russian President.

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It’s Rivalry Week (say that out loud three times), so some interesting games are on tap today. The ones I’ll be watching with the most interest — in chronological order and ascending importance (to me) — will be Ohio State and Michigan, Alabama and Auburn, and, of course, Florida vs. Florida State (Go Gators!). But there are many other consequential matchups today. Which teams are you pulling for, if any?

Got into a somewhat slurry bar argument with a Trumpkin last night. It all started when hubby decided he didn’t want Thanksgiving leftovers, so we went to the local Greek restaurant/lounge to have a cocktail and order a pizza to take home. Turns out many people in town had the same pizza idea, so it took much longer than expected.

While we waited at the bar, my husband and the guy seated next to him struck up a conversation. I was only half paying attention. But then the man said something about the economy getting better since there will be a businessman in the White House, causing me to aspirate bourbon while laughing bitterly.

The man inquired if I were unhappy with the outcome of the election. I answered in the affirmative. It escalated from there and got mildly snarly. To be honest, I don’t think either of us acquitted ourselves particularly well, though I was correct on the merits.

Anyway, poor, long-suffering hubby. On the bright side, I am a pretty good cook, and today I’m making my famous shrimp etouffee, so he’s got that going for him. Open thread!

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  2. 2.

    Jack McCarthy

    Illinois at Northwestern, with little interest beyond the Land of Lincoln.

    Northwestern gets a bowl game if it wins (6-6 record, could have been much better).

  3. 3.

    Jack McCarthy

    WTF? An innocent comment about Illinois at Northwestern in moderation?

    I realize I comment infrequently, but I’m hardly a troll.

  4. 4.

    Chris T.

    Next time someone makes a comment like that, agree with them, and then add: “Just like it did with George W Bush! He was a businessman too! Oh, and Herbert Hoover … and Warren G Harding! Remember how well we did under those three?”

  5. 5.

    Corner Stone

    While we waited at the bar, my husband and the guy seated next to him struck up a conversation.

    What in the heck was Hubby Cracker thinking?

  7. 7.

    Corner Stone

    I don’t really know what happened but my usual TGFF spirit has slowly been ebbing outta me this year.

  8. 8.

    Amir Khalid

    Liverpool are dominating play at home to Sunderland in the English Prem, but still not managing to score. Aargh!

    ETA: And as soon as i post that, Liverpool score. 1-0, at long bloody last.

  9. 9.

    ET

    What I have never understood is why Republicans persist in believing a businessman can run a country well. Not all businessmen run businesses well (just look at some of Trump’s decisions) – some are better at it than others. Business isn’t necessarily better/more efficient than government as anyone who has spent any significant amount of time in corporate America could attest. Could a businessman run a country well – of course – but it will be because they bring several skill sets together that work well for running a country and an economy the size and complexity of the the U.S.. Trump isn’t that person.

  10. 10.

    PaulWartenberg2016

    Here’s the deal for me:
    South Florida Bulls over Central Florida Knights (WAR ON I-4)
    Go Gators! Beat the Noles!
    War Eagle (will meet my folks at Selmons in Tampa for dinner as my mom roots for her school)

    I want all the college playoff teams ranked 1-6 to just lose and lose big. Screw the superconferences. BURN BABY BURN. Let’s have Navy vs. Western Michigan play for the national title.

  12. 12.

    PaulWartenberg2016

    @Chris T.:

    And Hoover was actually pretty good as a businessman. He was a hell of an organizer: when he was in charge of relief efforts after World War I he did a damn good job of it (it’s what made his reputation). It was just he didn’t have the judgment skills, personal empathy, and ability to adapt at the job when he became President.

  14. 14.

    PaulWartenberg2016

    While we waited at the bar, my husband and the guy seated next to him struck up a conversation. I was only half paying attention. But then the man said something about the economy getting better since there will be a businessman in the White House, causing me to aspirate bourbon while laughing bitterly.

    Why do people forget that under Republicans since the 1970s the economy suffers while under Democrats job growth, incomes, and overall economic performance improves?

    Is it because they can’t comprehend that dirty socialist hippies that make up the Democratic Party might actually have a point about regulations, equal pay, and better access to education and vocational training?

  15. 15.

    Steeplejack (tablet)

    My hapless Missouri Tigers had a satisfying upset over Arkansas yesterday, so I’m good for the weekend. Probably will look in on the big games, and I always check Michigan State so I can gloat when my RWNJ brother’s alma mater loses. He takes it way too seriously: Sparty memorabilia, flies a banner outside his house, goes into an operatic funk when they lose. It’s ridiculous for a guy who’s 61 years old.

  16. 16.

    Elizabelle

    @Chris T.: Great comeback. Filing it away.

    Miss Cracker: good on you for engaging with the Trump victorious. I wonder if the “conceded too fast ” stories are from the establishment, with Trump regret and disdain.

  20. 20.

    Suzanne

    So I heard a rumor that Cary Elwes (actor who played Westley in the greatest movie ever) got banned from Trump’s Twitter for calling him “Prince Trumperdink”. And, FSM, I hope this is true, because that’s even better than the John Mulaney line.

  21. 21.

    Amir Khalid

    2-0 to Liverpool over Sunderland on a late Divock Origi goal and a James Milner penalty in injury time. If Chelsea draw with or lose to Tottenham Hotspur in the late-kickoff match today, we finish the weekend back on top of the Premier League. Please, FSM, make it so.

  22. 22.

    debbie

    @ET:

    Not all businessmen run businesses well

    I’m of the mind that none do. The day book publishing began its slow downward slide was when they started hiring MBAs for leadership positions. I now work at a corporation in the country’s top 25, and they’re no better. I could have done a better job.

  25. 25.

    Josie

    Bless you, Betty Cracker. Next week I return to Houston to do my au pair duties with my wonderful grand daughter. The downside is that I will have to socialize with my son’s in-laws, who are big Trump supporters. My son is probably lighting many candles in his fervent wish that nobody brings up politics, since I tend to get pretty snarly myself. And, after two glasses of wine, all bets are off. I have been given strict orders to stick to one glass only when I am at the in-laws’ house. These next two weeks will be a challenge. The things we do for our kids!

  28. 28.

    Corner Stone

    This whole Fidel Castro thing is such an obvious hoax. I can’t believe you all are falling for it. On inauguration day Trump is going to be preparing to take the oath of office when all of a sudden…
    Good God! That’s Castro’s Music!
    And WWE style, Fidel will come prancing down the steps with a folding chairshot to Trump’s back. With special guest referee, Vlad Putin!

  29. 29.

    piratedan

    these assholes keep thinking the damn country ought to be run like a business and each time they elect one, the fucker craters the economy. These goddamn people are stupid. Maybe they think what the country needs is a guy who can turn billions into millions, well, that’s just who they elected. This has all of the potential to suck the chrome off of a trailer hitch bad.

  30. 30.

    Shalimar

    @Amir Khalid: I don’t get cable channels anymore so no Liverpool, but I will probably watch Chelsea-Tottenham while it is on. Good thing about American football, Michigan-Ohio State will start first and still have lots of time left when the soccer game ends. Or maybe that is a good thing about soccer, it doesn’t take forever.

  31. 31.

    Phylllis

    FCS playoffs begin today, so I’ll be rooting for Charleston Southern over Wofford. And almost no chance that the Gamecocks upset Clemson, but my goodness it would be sweet if they did.

  33. 33.

    Corner Stone

    @piratedan: I’ve long maintained that a CEO’s job is not to create employment but rather focus like a laser on where they can eliminate jobs. All anyone has to do is look at the tremendous rise in productivity over the last three decades and compare it to virtually any statistic related to wages, wage growth, etc.

  35. 35.

    charluckles

    The mind reels. Trump is a shitty businessman. We are going to run the entire economy by trademarking “USA” and selling hats? Of the more appalling bits of this election was a significant subset of Americans being so laser focused on hating Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party that they paid almost no attention to who they actually pulled the lever for.

  39. 39.

    Amir Khalid

    @debbie:
    An MBA is a pseudo-academic credential meant primarily for promoting oneself. i understand that the typical MBA course doesn’t actually teach you how to manage a business operation, but only to talk like you know all about it.

  40. 40.

    Suzanne

    @piratedan: A conservative friend of mine (who voted for HRC) gets sooooo angry when people blather about running government “like a business”. She told me about this and yelled, “Because businesses can FAIL!”.

    This should be our one-line response to this idiocy whenever we hear it.

  42. 42.

    jeffreyw

    Yay! I was afraid I would have to do a reset on my Win 10 machine, or there was a problem with my NAS because picture folders were not loading very fast and movies I ripped were stuttering on playback. I looked at the ethernet driver, Windows said the best one was already installed but I’ve learned that was often not the case. I asked the driver updater to show me all the drivers on the machine and picked the latest version and installed that one instead of the one it was using, dated 2013 from a Win 7 install. Night and fucking day! One of the Windows upgrades must have shuffled it in because the problem was fairly new.

  44. 44.

    Belafon

    @piratedan: I will take the idea of running government like a business seriously when we can fire Alabama, Mississippi, and Idaho for underperforming.

  47. 47.

    Betty Cracker

    @tybee: Shell your shrimp, throwing the peelings into a saucepan, cover with water and cook until the volume is considerably reduced. Strain out the shells, and voila, shrimp stock — set aside. Make a nice roux with oil and flour in a Dutch oven or other heavy pot, cooking until it’s the color of peanut butter. Add a chopped Spanish onion, green bell pepper and a stalk or two of celery, chopped. Throw in several cloves of garlic, minced. Toss in some cayenne, salt, pepper and Prudhomme’s. Chop up a few green onions and toss that in. Throw in a can of diced, fire-roasted tomatoes, undrained. Thin it out with some of your homemade shrimp stock — about a cup usually does it. After the sauce has cooked and thickened awhile, stir in your peeled, uncooked shrimp and take the pot off the heat after just a minute or so to avoid overcooking the shrimp. Then throw in half a stick of butter for added richness. Add a handful of chopped parsley. Serve over rice.

  49. 49.

    Amir Khalid

    @Suzanne:
    Also too, a business can fire/lay off employees and never give a damn again about them or their fate. The US Government doesn’t have that option with citizens.

  50. 50.

    Geoduck

    Washington beat Washington State for the Apple Cup, and is heading to the Pac-12 Championship game. After 15-odd years in the wilderness, it’s nice to see a Husky team actually winning again.

  51. 51.

    chopper

    honestly, laughing so hard you choke is a good response to these people. also means you have a built in excuse not to talk any further.

  53. 53.

    Chris T.

    @Suzanne: When Trump declares bankruptcy for the USA, he’ll try to sell us to Russia. But I think China will actually win the auction.

    Edit to add: I’m half kidding, but I’m concerned that this will be like the Onion’s prophetic headlines.

  54. 54.

    gogol's wife

    @piratedan:

    Front-page story in the NYTimes today, 64-year-old woman who voted for Trump in Florida is really hoping nothing changes with Obamacare since she has Crohn’s disease and depends on it for frequent doctor visits.

  56. 56.

    Elizabelle

    All right! Breaking news on WaPost: 18 minutes old:

    Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign has been quietly exploring whether there was any “outside interference” in the election results and will participate in the election recount in Wisconsin initiated by Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein, a Clinton campaign lawyer revealed Saturday.

    In a Medium post, Clinton campaign lawyer Marc Elias wrote that the campaign had received “hundreds of messages, emails, and calls urging us to do something, anything, to investigate claims that the election results were hacked and altered in a way to disadvantage Secretary Clinton,” especially in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, where the “combined margin of victory for Donald Trump was merely 107,000 votes.”

    Elias wrote that the campaign had “not uncovered any actionable evidence of hacking or outside attempts to alter the voting technology.” But because of the margin of victory — and because of the degree of apparent foreign interference during the campaign — Elias wrote that Clinton officials had “quietly taken a number of steps in the last two weeks to rule in or out any possibility of outside interference in the vote tally in these critical battleground states.” He wrote they would also participate in the Stein-initiated recount in Wisconsin, and if Stein made good on efforts to prompt similar processes in Pennsylvania and Michigan, they would do so there, as well.

  58. 58.

    JMG

    @Betty Cracker: Gosh that sounds good. We will be in Florida in the Jacksonville area this week because my Mom got sick last week and could use the company as she starts rehab. Maybe we’ll try it. Can’t beat Mayport shrimp.

  59. 59.

    Elizabelle

    More from that Post story:

    Notably, though, Clinton did not initiate the recount herself, and Elias wrote that the campaign had not planned to, because it had found no actionable evidence of hacking.

    The Clinton campaign had investigated the matter extensively. Elias wrote the campaign had “lawyers and data scientists and analysts combing over the results to spot anomalies” and had also “monitored and staffed the post-election canvasses  — where voting machine tapes are compared to poll-books, provisional ballots are resolved, and all of the math is double checked from election night.” He wrote that the campaign had also met with outside experts and “attempted to systematically catalogue and investigate every theory that has been presented to us within our ability to do so.”

    Now that a recount effort was underway, Elias wrote that it was “important” to participate in the proceedings. He played down the idea that the recount would change the outcome.

    “We do so fully aware that the number of votes separating Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton in the closest of these states —  Michigan  —  well exceeds the largest margin ever overcome in a recount,” Elias wrote. “But regardless of the potential to change the outcome in any of the states, we feel it is important, on principle, to ensure our campaign is legally represented in any court proceedings and represented on the ground in order to monitor the recount process itself.”

    Brian Fallon, a spokesman for the Clinton campaign, rejected the notion that the campaign’s actions might suggest to some that it was not accepting the election results.

    Of course, Kellyanne Lying Fucking Conway tweeted to effect of “look who’s not accepting the election results.”

    But still, it’s good to do the recount, if only to reassure all the vote was conducted accurately and fairly. Also as a benchmark for 2018 and 2020 results.

  61. 61.

    Iowa Old Lady

    @debbie: I remember running errands in Ann Arbor the day Ohio State was in town. Traffic was non-existent, plus one time when I got back in the car Woody Hayes had torn up line markers and possible mugged a player. It’s all a blur now.

  62. 62.

    Mr Stagger Lee

    So is Uday and Qusay Trump in Havana, to see maybe they can do a deal for some of that sweeeeeeet Havana waterfront, a Trump luxurious resort?
    I bet Trump Don IL will be down for it.

  65. 65.

    trollhattan

    @Geoduck:
    The Don James era seems like a lifetime ago; nice to see the Dawgs back to legit status. A Pac 12 championship rematch with USC would be…interesting.

  66. 66.

    Corner Stone

    @Elizabelle: People were screaming about voter suppression well before the election but the media could not have cared less and the Democratic Party seemed to not do much of a fuck about any of it.

    ETA, while I am interested in getting the truth of whatever Russia did or did not do – my point is that any potential “hacking” was minor compared to the nominally “legal” voter interference committed by our own citizens in the form of the GOP.

  68. 68.

    ThresherK

    @PaulWartenberg2016: And Hoover had a big hand in creating FRC (forerunner of the FCC) when regulation of the brave new world of the airwaves was badly needed. At some point he’s got more claim to “technocrat” than a lot of Republicans since.

    @Iowa Old Lady: “Possibly mugged a player” inside the stadium or outside? I remember seeing Hayes on TV punching a defender whose INT sealed a Clemson bowl win. This was the late 70s. (Bonus wut moment: The Clemson player still had his helmet on.)

  70. 70.

    ThresherK

    @Corner Stone: Per Alton Brown, roux is easiest to make in the oven. I don’t know about that, seeing my wife doesn’t eat shellfish. But his same method for cooking brown rice (do it in the oven) has never failed me.

  72. 72.

    Betty Cracker

    @Elizabelle: Lord, I hope Conway gets her just karmic reward and we’re all around to see it.

    Re: the shrimp — pound, pound and a half or so.

  76. 76.

    Corner Stone

    @Betty Cracker: Another thing about the election that I am still fucking steamed about. Not only is the disgusting attempt at a human being forever to be recorded as one of the Presidents of the USA. Not only are we forced to deal with his gross fucking family.
    But all the C- level mediocrities that glommed onto his hateful campaign are now never going to go away. I was so, so, so, invested in never hearing the name KellyAnne Conway again, seeing her evil lying face, or hearing that petulant whine her voice is. I fucking hate it that this person is now going to be feted by the media for basically forever, no matter what Trump does next.

  79. 79.

    JPL

    @Corner Stone: I haven’t seen Alton’s method, but you can lightly brown the flour in the oven before adding to the butter. The flavor is not quite as intense though, imo.

  80. 80.

    SenyorDave

    @Elizabelle: Of course, Kellyanne Lying Fucking Conway tweeted to effect of “look who’s not accepting the election results.”

    It is now a personal rule that anytime Kellyanne Conway tweets anything to remind everyone that Kellyanne Conway is the person that a guy wakes up next to after a night of heavy drinking and says to himself “OMFG, what did I do last night?”

  81. 81.

    Corner Stone

    @Betty Cracker: No, I haven’t. I’m frankly baffled by the idea of it. Every once in a while when I don’t want to stress through a roux I will make a nice shrimp or chicken creole dish that’s basically your recipe but with more tomatoes and no roux.

  84. 84.

    Corner Stone

    @JPL: I like a lot of Alton’s hacks and in general enjoy his show most of the time. Haven’t seen his method on this but it seems kind of like being a goatee wearing bizarro world to consider oven made roux.

  87. 87.

    NotMax

    @ThresherK

    Contra Alton (who I’m sure uses a better quality of butter than most of us have sitting around), melting the butter on medium low and giving it time to let the water in it evaporate out before adding the flour is a key step to a better roux.

  90. 90.

    BBA

    @ThresherK: The hard-right line on Hoover is that he exacerbated the Depression by intervening too much. If only he’d listened to Mellon and liquidated everything, the country would have recovered rapidly and we’d never have been cursed with the scourges of Social Security and the SEC.

    Now Coolidge, that man knew how to President.

  92. 92.

    tybee

    @Betty Cracker:

    shrimp quantity generally depends on how lucky we were in dragging them in.

    i have made gumbo with 4 or 5 shrimp after a poor day of throwing the net.

  93. 93.

    Betty Cracker

    @Corner Stone: Tried after seeing it on Good Eats. You just whisk the oil and flour together in an ovenproof pot and bake it at 350 until it achieves the desired color. I thought it was just as good as the stovetop version, but it takes forever — like an hour or two.

  100. 100.

    ThresherK

    @BBA: Oh, certainly. There’s just something about Hoover’s pre-Prez career that gets short shrift sometimes. And as I’ve said before, I don’t know that the right in this country learned anything from his mistakes on how to handle a big recession, and I think Hoover’s ghost is shaking his head at the realization.

    PS In the library yesterday I noticed an illustrated version of the book by Amity Shlaes, “My Forgotten Man”, a (warped) history of the Depression. Sweet babby cheeses, when did Regnery and their ilk start poisoning the YA/teens graphic novel market?

    Next to the Neil Gaiman and Seth and Chris Ware and such, Amity Shlaes? Conservatives: You’re stupid and you’ll never be cool. Keep embarrassing yourselves, however. It’s fun to watch.

  101. 101.

    Juice Box

    @Suzanne: Governments fail too. Venezuela, Somalia, etc., of course, none of those would be places where you would want to live….

  102. 102.

    artem1s

    @ET:

    What I have never understood is why Republicans persist in believing a businessman can run a country well.

    what I can’t fathom is why they think a BAD businessman is going to run anything well. W had a track record too. His brother Neal was responsible for the biggest savings and loan failure of the 80s. Poppy was also infamous for not being able to function outside any environment where he could leverage his privileged status.

    If there is any lesson Dems should take away from this election it’s that Obama benefited from conservatives and big business’s embarrassment at the enormity of W’s failures. Unfortunately the lesson the Koch’s came away with was to go even further down the rabbit hole and go with an even more morally corrupt idjit because they cannot admit that a black man did a better job with the economy and security than a white man. They could never abide having a girl show them up too, so they elected to go with another no-nothing X1000. and they will spend the next, forever, telling themselves and anyone within listening distance that whatever shit sandwich these horse thieves shit out on us is really soooooooo good for us, cause they said so. LALALALALALALA!

  103. 103.

    NotMax

    Woo-hoo! Ordered cigars on Wednesday from the place in Florida I usually use. Just re-checked the USPS tracking number and instead of Monday as originally estimated they are now scheduled for delivery today.

    Thank you, Obama.

  104. 104.

    Gator90

    I hope Ohio State beats Michigan. Some Gator fans were/are ticked off at Urban Meyer for leaving UF, but I just said Thanks for the championships and good luck in all future endeavors that don’t conflict with ours. To me it’s like Miamians bitching about Lebron going back to Cleveland. We should just be grateful to have had for a time the services of someone so gifted.

  107. 107.

    Corner Stone

    @Juice Box: They’re doing something right in Venezuela as I have yet to meet a woman from there who I did not find at least wildly attractive.
    Probably not a good basis for deciding on a ruling government but after our recent election what the hell do we know about governing, anyway?

  108. 108.

    Matt McIrvin

    @BBA: Last I checked, the Wikipedia page on Coolidge endorses the theory of Hoover as causing the Depression by being too liberal right up at the top, and cites Shlaes’ Coolidge biography. It’s a source, so it’s good enough for Wikipedia.

  109. 109.

    Betty Cracker

    @Gator90: I feel the same way about Meyer, and I was utterly indifferent to OSU until their fans came out of the woodwork over the last 10 years. Now I root against them, but not wholeheartedly. Can’t be arsed to truly despise them.

  110. 110.

    Suzanne

    @Juice Box: That’s kind of my point—businesses fail and it’s not so bad. Governments fail and it’s an unbelievable disaster for the citizenry. If we run government like a business, we run a much higher risk of failure.

  114. 114.

    Major Major Major Major

    @NotMax: Wasn’t W. supposed to be our “First MBA President”?

    Get ready for our “first dishonestly implies he has an MBA from Wharton but actually he took classes there a little bit during undergrad and the school hates him” president!

  118. 118.

    Steeplejack (tablet)

    @Amir Khalid:

    Who would ask (before the campaign)? Trump never had to apply for a job in his life, and “credentials” are not a big thing in the real estate world. After the campaign started, it did come out, but, like everything else about Trump, it disappeared down the rabbit hole of “Who cares?”

  120. 120.

    permafrost

    The number of Republicans believing the economy is doing well went from 18% to over half the week of the Trump victory.

    They’re all fuckin’ liars. Fuck these people.

  128. 128.

    Jeffro

    @Elizabelle: This is excellent – nothing to lose here, Hillz, and if the recount efforts help point out that a) she won the popular vote by over 2M and b) Russia was behind Donald’s election all the way, so much the better.

    They can cover it any number of ways: how would Donald take it if he lost the EC while ahead by 2M votes? How would Republicans feel if China had hacked the RNC and wounded Trump by drip-drip-dripping emails all fall? Why can’t the Electors do the right thing for the country here – that’s what the EC is designed to do??

  130. 130.

    Corner Stone

    @permafrost: It went from something like 16% to somewhere north of 60%. Immediately after the election. What do you do with people that fucking stupid and disingenuous?

  132. 132.

    Corner Stone

    @Jeffro:

    How would Republicans feel if China had hacked the RNC and wounded Trump by drip-drip-dripping emails all fall?

    There was a responsible way to cover hacked emails stolen by a foreign sovereign nation state and released through another source. Obviously, the media was only too happy to piss themselves in the effort to mention the same headline leading story every single night.

  135. 135.

    Iowa Old Lady

    @Corner Stone: Trump will get credit for all the good Obama did for the economy. And since he’s going to take the traditional R route of cutting taxes and regulations, we will have a boom/bust cycle, with him basking in the glow of the boom.

  137. 137.

    Corner Stone

    The problem with making a really good pot of gumbo is that on day three you’re like, “Damn. That is so good. But it’s so rich and heavy. Can I get something a little lighter, like wiener schnitzel now?”

  139. 139.

    Jeffro

    @Corner Stone:

    There was a responsible way to cover hacked emails stolen by a foreign sovereign nation state and released through another source. Obviously, the media was only too happy to piss themselves in the effort to mention the same headline leading story every single night

    Yup, I hear you. It’s still not too late to beat the Rs about the head with it…if we’re going to endure four years of Donald Arsonist, let’s make them all own it.

    Electors, this is what you were put here to do: put your country first and vote against Putin, vote against the looting of our country’s safety net, vote against self-dealing foundations and conflicts of interest on an unimaginable scale. Do your duty!

  140. 140.

    Jeffro

    @Major Major Major Major:

    decent point in your first paragraph, though it could also be spun as sore loser democrats.

    Well sure…that’s always their first response, right? So ours is, “You’re saying you’d take this kind of thing lying down? a 2M popular vote margin and evidence of foreign hacking? You’d be okay if HRC got 2M fewer votes but won the EC? You’d be okay if Chinese hackers had burrowed into the RNC last year, then dripped out the emails all campaign?”

  144. 144.

    Jeffro

    Btw if anyone wants a nice timeline of Putin-related interference (including creation and distribution of fake news) in our election and the shock waves (such as Russia moving its nukes closer to Japan) it is setting off internationally, please check out Summer Brennan’s timeline on Twitter (@summerbrennan). It will send chills down your spine and it certainly impresses upon me the urgency of doing whatever we can before the EC votes.

  145. 145.

    gene108

    Kentucky @ Louisville is a helluva game…

    Have no rooting interest, but tied 38-38 in the 4th quarter

  146. 146.

    Baud

    @Major Major Major Major: On a more meta level, this always happens. If the Dems move forward, they are accused of being weak. And if they fight, they are accused of being obstructionist and sore losers. And a lot of those accusations come from within the party.

  147. 147.

    JPL

    I don’t have the SEC network, but I was following the GA/GATech game on the AJC blog. Nice comeback for Tech and my DIL is thrilled! Raven not so much.

  148. 148.

    gene108

    @Jeffro:

    b) Russia was behind Donald’s election all the way, so much the better.

    Given the precarious financial situation of many media outlets, big and small, maybe Putin bought a stake in most major U..S, media companies?

    Putin’s supposed to be worth $200 to $300 billion, he can afford it.

  149. 149.

    Shell

    Oh, and Herbert Hoover … and Warren G Harding! Remember how well we did under those three?”

    Unfortunately, the typical Trump voter has little sense of history and even less of how government works.

  150. 150.

    gene108

    @Baud:

    You can beat a bully and gain respect, but complaining you are being bullied and are not able to handle your own problems just makes you come off as a whiner.

    Even, if it is true you are being bullied and treated unfairly.

    Republicans are bullies and have a lot of institutional support from the media and now Putin.

    The only way to change things is to beat Republicans into oblivion.

  151. 151.

    Comrade Carter

    Wisconsin vs Minnesota for the Paul Bunyon Ax, and Wisconsin will tie this series after 126 games, the longest steak in Division 1: Wisconsin has never lead this series and it hasn’t been tied since Game 12 was played… 1901!

    Go Badgers!

  152. 152.

    Shalimar

    @Iowa Old Lady: There was no boom in Kansas. There will be no boom in the United States. We have been in a low-interest-rate-induced lull in the economy for the last 7 years, with Republicans putting the brakes on anything that could be a real boom. That steady 7 year blah was our boom. We’re at the beginning of the downward cycle to bust, and Trump is going to turn it into a depression. Tax cuts aren’t going to help.

  156. 156.

    debbie

    @Betty Cracker:

    I turned on the game and saw the last couple plays. Even I cheered. Meanwhile, my FB friends are arguing whether it was rude or not to boo the Michigan band.

  157. 157.

    JPL

    @raven: It was a nice day for some football though. I was following online at the AJC, and it appeared to be close to over, in the third quarter.
    My DIL is happy.

  160. 160.

    debbie

    @efgoldman:

    LOL, I agree. I’m sure there will be something on the local news so I can hear the level. They take football way too seriously around here. Had Ohio State lost, work would have been miserable on Monday.

  162. 162.

    Zinsky

    My Iowa Hawkeyes kicked the stuffing (pun intended) out of the Cornhuskers, so that was a beautiful thing. Die Huskers!

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