BREAKING: Army Corps halts Dakota Access Pipeline work, tells Standing Rock the current route for the pipeline will be denied.
— Ali Velshi (@AliVelshi) December 4, 2016
Goddess, I hope this isn’t another lie from “our” government…
The secretary of the Army Corps of Engineers has told Standing Rock Sioux Chairman David Archambault that the current route for the Dakota Access pipeline will be denied.
The proposed route led to a protest encampment by the Standing Rock Sioux and other activists.
The 1,172-mile pipeline is nearly complete except for a small section beneath a Missouri River reservoir near the encampment, which is about 50 miles south of Bismarck.
Archambault cheered the decision in a statement Sunday.
“I am thankful there were some leaders in the feral government that realized something was not right even though its legal,” he said. “For the first time in hisopry native American, they heard our voices. This is something that will go down in history and is a blessing for all indigenous people.
I heard the army corp of engineers will not grant the easement and they will reroute.
I would say that it is over.”…
Story’s been picked up by the AP / Washington Post.
ETA:
Today's @usarmy announcement underscores that tribal rights are essential components to analysis of #DAPL going forward.SJ pic.twitter.com/2VAiubBTLL
— Sally Jewell (@SecretaryJewell) December 4, 2016
Baud
Good.
Huh?
Jeffro
I thought the breaking news might be about the guy with a rifle who went to Comet Ping Pong in DC today…fortunately no one was killed due to fake RW “news” this time…
Jeffro
Link to article about CPP here.
Jeffro
Another Scott
You mean Obama didn’t sell us out yet again? I keep hearing that he did. It’s so confusing… :-/
Seriously, it’s great that we still have leadership that takes rules and processes and agreements with all the parties seriously. Maybe it’ll ultimately be approved, but short-circuiting the approval process and running roughshod over the concerns and rights of people in the area is never a good idea. Process is important. With luck, they’ll find a minimally dangerous route or convince the company that the cost of making it compliant is too high and thus the company will have to decide whether it’s worth it…
Cheers,
Scott.
Baud
@Jeffro: So much economic anxiety.
Doug R
@Jeffro: The Stoopid, it burns!
germy
thanks Obama.
NotMax
“feral government”
Heh.
As for “hisopry,” who knows…
Fair Economist
Hoping the loser President who takes office in January won’t reverse this.
Roger Moore
@Baud:
I assume it’s a reference to our sordid history of breaking our promises to Native Americans. Either that, or a claim that the government is already in the hands of big businesses like the ones trying to build the pipeline.
Baud
@Roger Moore: Honestly, it sounds like something a Trumpster would say.
Major Major Major Major
Good for them, this is probably the ideal outcome. I hadn’t weighed in much because a while back I had a water lawyer and a geologist walk me through what was going on, but the situation had long since stopped being about the merits of any nitty-gritty land-use rules or even treaty interpretation, so, clearly the right thing to do.
Mike in NC
@NotMax: Trump and Pence will definitely run a feral government.
Baud
@Major Major Major Major:
Well look at you.
@Mike in NC:
Feral and rabid.
MomSense
The president said the Army Corps of Engineers was looking into this to see if it could be rerouted. And months ago the Army Corps and Justice Dept halted work on the pipeline. They also issue permits to the Standing Rock Sioux so they could set up their encampments.
There has been so much Obama shoulding but it was obvious he had this.
Baud
@MomSense: Same as it ever was.
schrodinger's cat
@Mike in NC: How can we TNR it?
MomSense
@Baud:
Wish it would ever be.
Major Major Major Major
@Baud: Oh, like you wouldn’t have!
ETA: What I’m trying to say is that the journalism around it has for the most part been terrible, so I didn’t really want to talk about it.
schrodinger's cat
We had friends over for brunch. I made pohe'(beaten rice with spices and peanuts), scrambled eggs with smoked salmon, country bread, pineapple cake, muthiya ( think polenta with lentils and spices)
Hot tea and mimosas for drinks.
It was a great success and much easier to put together than a dinner party.
Baud
@Major Major Major Major: Journalism around everything is terrible.
Major Major Major Major
@Baud: Yeah but it’s worse when you know it acutely rather than, like, just assuming it is so.
Baud
@schrodinger’s cat: Congrats.
SiubhanDuinne
@NotMax:
Those who forget hisopry are condemned to repeat it.
Hillary Rettig
wow – that’s good news.
schrodinger's cat
@Baud: Thanks! You should join us, next time.
The Very Reverend Crimson Fire of Compassion
@Major Major Major Major: It’s not like mainstream journalism is our only available source of information. I have family members and friends at Oceti Sakowin Camp, who’ve been sending regular updates, including video. I would’ve been glad to share that info here, had I known you were interested. One of the things that I love about this community is how often members of this odd little tribe have connections outside the “orthodox” media and conventional wisdom.
Roger Moore
@Major Major Major Major:
The thing that gets me about it is that the approval process was blatantly wrong. Pipelines like this one are supposed to go through a lengthy environmental review process so affected parties have a chance to have their say. Instead, the pipeline companies, aided and abetted by the Army Corps of Engineers, have abused a rule that lets very short pipelines have an abbreviated review by treating a thousand mile pipeline as a thousand 1 mile segments that don’t need the full review. It’s a blatant lie they’ve been able to get away with for too long, and now they’re being caught out in it.
Baud
@SiubhanDuinne:
Baud
@schrodinger’s cat:
Thanks!
(It’s not one of those To Serve Man type of invitations, is it?)
Felanius Kootea
@schrodinger’s cat: Sounds delicious!
Re Standing Rock – I’m very happy about this outcome. I’d seen a piece on the Daily Show about the original pipeline route not going under native land but being moved there after protests from residents of the city DAPL was to go under.
Adam L Silverman
@Baud: The only person that can overrule this within the Administration is President Obama. The company can try to seek relief in the Federal Courts, but that will take a while. My guess, and I can’t prove this, is that once it became very clear that a large contingent of veterans was coming on site and that the local sheriff had already decided to demonize them as mental cases suffering from Post Traumatic Stress (did so at his press conference yesterday), the decision was made not to live the USACE District Commander on the line with his ass hanging out. At that point the 2 star’s that run USACE got Secretary level top cover. I don’t know the District Commander for this area. I know several others. I served with one in Iraq – he was my BCT’s XO and is a good friend. This is not something that, as colonels, they want to be in the middle of because the decisions here are really above their pay grades. This is why you have general officers, senior executives, and senior appointed leadership.
schrodinger's cat
@Baud: Don’t worry, I am not much of a meat eater, not sure about my mini tigers, though!
D58826
OT but we have jumped the last shark, fallen into the deepest rabbit hole and passed thru a worm hole to discover there are no more alternate universes, to wit:
The families of the two CIA contractors killed at Benghazi have filed a wrongful death suit against Clinton, claiming it was the e-mail server that was responsible for the mens deaths:
And I thought it was a mortar shell. Live and learn
She is also a party to a class action suit involving an issue with BLM:
Not a lawyer but both of these seem so ridiculous that in a sane world they would be laughed out of court. But we have learned that it is easy to buy a judge, state or federal, in some out of way place in Texas that is 50 miles past where Jesus lost his sandals.
Obama better be giving serious though to a blanket pardon. I know the argument against that it implies guilt but these folks are convinced she is guilty and the rest of the country doesn’t care. Now thye Clintons have the money to defend themselves but a lot of folks who have worked for them don’t. They will be dragged into court and incur huge legal bills that their grandkids will be paying off.
Klayman and his crew really and truly are not fit to be called human beings. I don’t say that lightly but pond scum would not want to be associated with them.
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/308540-clinton-opponents-vow-to-continue-their-pursuit
KithKanan
@Adam L Silverman: Will the next guy be able to just overrule it in a month and a half when he comes in, or will this be a done deal by then? I suspect that’s where a lot of our doubts are coming from.
Baud
@D58826: Pardons don’t help with civil suits. These sound frivolous.
D58826
@Felanius Kootea: I saw that it was protests by by the ‘good’ citizens of Bismark. Last week they had a rally to support the police action at Standing Rock. Obviously the Indian Wars have not ended
Steve in the ATL
@schrodinger’s cat: I attended my first Indian funeral this afternoon. Interesting mix of lawyers in dark suits, family and academics in lighter suits, and family in traditional dress (don’t know the technical term for “white pajamas”!). Not a fan of standing next to the decedent in an open casket (as in no lid at all) but one must follow custom. I prefer the Episcopalian custom of cremating the body then drinking scotch.
D58826
@Baud: (sigh) but at least shuts down DOJ
Baud
@D58826: Nor has the Civil War.
schrodinger's cat
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schrodinger's cat
@Steve in the ATL: Hindu death rituals are pretty stark, as in zero sugarcoating. When you are dead, the body is just an empty husk and is treated as such. Cremation insures that.
Baud
@Steve in the ATL: I didn’t realize any Christian denomination used cremation as the standard.
prob50
@Baud:
Yeah, and don’t even get me started about “Schliyence bukz”. The only thing I remember from them was that they were a bummer to carry around ’cause they were so heavy.
Suzanne
@Major Major Major Major: I was kind of floored, ’cause some of the tortures of the damned that I have had to go through to get some of my buildings approved for construction seem like they are much more stringent than the approval process for this pipeline route.
schrodinger's cat
@Steve in the ATL: Also strictly no alcohol and you are not supposed to cook either. BTW I personally think scotch would be nice. White pajamas are pajamas AFAIK. Dhoti is more traditional. Dhoti is a single piece of cloth like the saree, the region of India you are from determines the style of the drape. Unlike a saree its usually white. Tying a dhoti is becoming a lost art unfortunately, I think its elegant.
Bengali example here
Steve in the ATL
@Baud: don’t think it’s officially a custom but the norm in our circle. Not into organized religion enough know or care what’s done officially!
Steve in the ATL
@schrodinger’s cat: Also happy to wear dress shoes rather than sandals in 44 degree rain.
Baud
One would think that they have plenty of land in North Dakota to fit a pipeline.
satby
@schrodinger’s cat: As one of my friends and I were taking an auto-rickshaw back to the hotel, we passed a corner where people were lighting candles around a supine body. It took me a minute before I realized the body was a corpse. My friend just shrugged and said, yes, Sikhs do that.
schrodinger's cat
@Steve in the ATL: True, well India is in the tropics, those rituals and traditions need some updating for North America, that’s for sure.
schrodinger's cat
@Steve in the ATL:Also too, sandals, shoes, there is no protocol on what to wear. Simple clothes and little jewelry are the norm. The eldest son or the person performing the death rituals would probably be bare foot while performing the said rituals along with the officiating pundit ( the real kind not the MSM variety). Everyone else can pretty much wear what they want.
Steve in the ATL
@schrodinger’s cat:
I try to be respectful of other traditions but I have to draw the line somewhere!
Botsplainer
@D58826:
Klayman is on my list of “people to be beaten to death with a baseball bat when the time comes”.
And I advocate wood, not aluminum. It is a much more satisfying sound instead of that sad metallic “thunk”.
schrodinger's cat
@Steve in the ATL: I don’t blame you. I didn’t attend my F-I-L’s funeral in India because I didn’t think I could handle it without a stiff vodka. Its a long story.
Steve in the ATL
@Botsplainer: Concur. No one over the age of 13 should use an aluminum bat.
schrodinger's cat
@Botsplainer: I suggest a cricket bat, heavier, with more surface area.
SiubhanDuinne
@Steve in the ATL:
Because wherever you find four Episcopalians, you’ll find a fifth.
D58826
Also OT but der Fuhrer is on Twitter again about China. Now the Chinese seemed to have low keying the original phone call. But now Trump is saying:
Not sure how China ignores this.
One of the conspiracy theories on the right has been that Obama will declare martial law and stay in power after Jan 20th 2017. From The RWNJ to God’s ear, please.
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/308704-trump-slams-china-on-twitter
Adam L Silverman
@D58826: These will get tossed. The Clinton’s defense counsel will submit the House Select Committee’s on Intelligence, House Special Committee on Benghazi, and the State Department’s IG Investigative Report to the Court and the suit will get kicked quickly.
As for the BLM thing, Klayman is going to get bounced here too. Unless he can produce evidence that Secretary Clinton or President Obama specifically and publicly exhorted BLM or anyone else to go out and kill cops, any public support they gave to BLM in regard to their peaceful protests and demonstrations is going to be covered under the 1st Amendment as protected speech.
SiubhanDuinne
Re cremation, I recently saw a feature on an organization that will take a small quantity (less than a tablespoonful) of your loved one’s ashes and incorporate them into a one-of-a-kind blown glass paperweight.
The ornaments are lovely, and I quite like the idea. Wish this had been around when my parents died; I would happily have done it.
Link to Artful Ashes.
Baud
@D58826: We were always at war with East Asia.
Adam L Silverman
@KithKanan: I have no idea. It depends what actual action Secretary Jewell took.
D58826
@Adam L Silverman: I figured at some point that would happen but that we have even gotten to this point in CDS is just sad.
schrodinger's cat
@SiubhanDuinne: Hindus get rid of the ashes too, on the 13th day, in a body of water, preferably Ganga, if too far, any water body will do. Return the body to the elements it came from and hang on to the memories.
D58826
@Baud: I think I’m going to have to dust off my copy of 1984 so that I can understand how der Fuhrer is going to do things.
debbie
@Adam L Silverman:
Have any of the vet groups condemned this very stupid statement?
Adam L Silverman
@schrodinger’s cat: Basically, as time goes by its going dhoti dotty?
(What?)
Jeffro
@D58826:
Sorta amen on that one.
Would love to see him address the country anytime in the next 10 days about Trump’s ties to Putin and other Russian oligarchs, Russia hacking our election, etc. Or “Give Em Hell” Harry Reid could have one heck of a farewell address. Come on Harry, you know you want to!
Steve in the ATL
@SiubhanDuinne:
“Where two or three are gathered, there’s a fifth”
Adam L Silverman
@Baud: The issue was it was originally routed through an area with predominantly white owned land that would have required easements and/or eminent domain. The white landowners through a NIMBY fit to have it moved. Where did it get moved? Right through area where the folks have no political clout or capital: Native American lands and lands sacred to Native Americans.
SiubhanDuinne
@Steve in the ATL:
Whiskeypalians.
Rum’n’ Catholics.
Adam L Silverman
@Botsplainer: He’s Jewish and sued his mother. Judaism doesn’t really have a hell, but what little conceptualization it has of one includes punishing someone who does this!
Adam L Silverman
@schrodinger’s cat: Use an urumi!
D58826
@Adam L Silverman: sounds about the way things should be done (snark)
Adam L Silverman
@SiubhanDuinne: Oy vey…
Adam L Silverman
@D58826: This is not going to end well. It is important to remember that there is a portion within both movement and neo-Conservative (one of the rare overlaps) that is still pissed about the US, because of the commies at State, abandoning the Chinese nationalists. They have been pushing for this type of stupidity for over 50 years and they finally have someone who will pursue it.
Baud
@Adam L Silverman: I got that. Just surprised there isn’t out of the way land that no one cares about.
SiubhanDuinne
@schrodinger’s cat:
I like that. For my father, we scattered his ashes around the base of a Japanese Maple tree that he had planted as a seedling 25 years before, which had grown to an impressive height (and kept that entire wing of the house cool in summer). One of my friends brought special bird seed to the ceremony, knowing how much my dad loved feeding the birds, and we scattered the seed along with the ashes.
Sadly, a few years later, some developer bought the property, razed the house and all the trees, and put up a hideous McMansion on the site. Made me sick, and I will not drive through the neighborhood any more.
Adam L Silverman
@D58826: Also, those folks have been saying the martial law crap since January 20, 2009.
Technically there are multiple violations of the Logan Act here. I doubt anyone will be arrested, let alone charged, but that’s where the real violations are.
Adam L Silverman
@D58826: The Clinton’s are how Klayman got rich. He’s not going to give that up.
Adam L Silverman
@debbie: Yes. I’ll see if I can dig up the video in a few minutes.
SiubhanDuinne
@Adam L Silverman:
Very old, and not in the least original. I first heard it in 1958, and I expect it already had whiskers by then.
Adam L Silverman
@Baud: There is. But the company has dug in its heels as another reroute will delay things and there will have to be another impact assessment. Every day this goes on they loose money.
Steve in the ATL
@schrodinger’s cat:
Smelled a lot of incense, but no ganja. Maybe they were doing that in one of the back rooms?
Baud
@Adam L Silverman: Gotcha. Thanks.
schrodinger's cat
@Steve in the ATL: River Ganga==Ganges (In Brit speak). Was whisky not enough?
D58826
@Adam L Silverman: Old enough to remember the China Lobby and Madam Chang. The RWNJ of the day demanding to know who lost China. . The Qumoy/Matsu crisis of what 1955-56. In it’s day it was as powerful and feared as the pro-Israel lobby is today.
D58826
@Adam L Silverman: Yep.
Steve in the ATL
@schrodinger’s cat: time to recalibrate your snark detector!
Baud
News saying left candidate won in Austria. I assume that’s good.
Aleta
@SiubhanDuinne: Here’s hoping the birds ingested a little ash with the seed and flew on to fertilize other trees in other places.
I put some of my mom’s ashes in the lake in Ontario at the spot where she swam first thing every morning. Then put the rest in a stone fireplace that her dad built by the shore, where every morning after swimming she cooked sourdough pancakes over a birch fire. She loved cooking on an outdoor fire.
Adam L Silverman
@Baud: Yes, this was a court ordered redo election from last Spring. The two candidates are/were a former Austrian Green Party leader who ran as an Independent and the far right party (founded by a former Austrian SS officer not prosecuted at Nuremberg) leader who is one of the European neo-nationalist, anti EU, Putinites. So having the former win, and expand his margin of victory from the Spring (went up to 53.3% from 50.9%) is a good sign. As is the seeming evidence that the domestic British fallout from Brexit in Britain – economic especially – seems to have scared the Austrians about what would happen if they elected someone who would try to do what the Austrians call an Oxit (Austrian Exit). This is a good thing!
Baud
@Adam L Silverman: Maybe America’s shame gave them pause too?
Thanks, Adam.
Brachiator
@Adam L Silverman:
Taiwan is kind of a reverse Cuba.
Brachiator
@D58826:
I think that one of his advisers was whispering into Trump’s ear on this one.
But let’s see. Putin can do whatever he wants in the world, but China has to ask our permission?
This is incoherent babble. And yet, conservative media strains to present this to the GOP base as steely resolve.
D58826
There are hardliners in China that want to solve the problem of Taiwan by military means. And there are crazies on Taiwan who want to declare independence. And there are crazies in this country just itching to send the 7th fleet into the Formosa straights. Der Fuhrer’s ranting might well give all parties the incentive to act with disastrous results..
schrodinger's cat
@Steve in the ATL: Same to you, I was snarking too.
schrodinger's cat
@Adam L Silverman: Too dangerous, I would probably cut myself.
Aleta
The Bakken pipeline (DAPL) crosses Iowa, pretty much from its northwest corner to its southeast corner, close to my hometown on the Mississippi when I was a kid. Over 100 miles of land was taken by eminent domain. The pipeline company, which is private and for profit of course, asked the Iowa utilities board (all appointed by a Republican governor) for the rights to around 425 parcels, and I heard they were given at least 200, mostly crop and pasture land. Not sure about the rest. (Some landowners are still in court I believe, or last I heard.) They pushed hard to rush the approval and permits.
The pipeline was built despite small groups of protesters along the route who tried to stop it at points it was going under rivers. The last group was camped at the Mississippi to prevent its passage underneath (drilling horizontally) but they were forced out at the start of Sept. They went to camp on a nearby piece of land near my town, but it’s now said that the pipeline construction under the Mississippi is finished.
One of the sorry things about the Iowa section at least is that when there is a spill the local 1st responders are not allowed to do anything but put up tape and keep people away. They will have to wait for company responders to come from some distance away to assess, and then (from what I’ve heard) for containment crew to come from even farther away.
So much for the R’s claim to support ‘local control,’ which I heard a lot during the campaigning for Trump. All they mean by that is ‘no federal regulations’ and ‘put control in the hands of local governments that we can control.’ It’s not about local people or animals.
This map shows where protests were staged along the pipeline route (usually where it crossed rivers) as it was being built.
Villago Delenda Est
@Botsplainer: Concur.
Ian
@Baud:
NO NO NO! we are allied to East Asia. We have always been at war with Eurasia. Get it right or get ready for two new earholes.
Villago Delenda Est
@D58826: “Who lost China” haunted LBJ and all his decision making on Vietnam.
joel hanes
@D58826:
Second actual bumper sticker I remember seeing:
UNLEASH CHIANG KAI-SHEK
The first, of course, was
Impeach Earl Warren
SiubhanDuinne
@Aleta:
Yes, once the ashes are disposed of, it is out of our hands. I like to think that my father’s cremated remains helped fertilize trees and flowers and grasses in places both near and far.
Where in Ontario (what lake)? I love the idea of the sourdough pancakes on a birch fire after swimming. Did your mother have First Nations ancestry?
SiubhanDuinne
@joel hanes:
I remember hearing the song “Hang Earl Warren from a sour apple tree….” sung to the tune of the Battle Hymn of the Republic.
Adam L Silverman
@Brachiator: Sort of.
Adam L Silverman
@schrodinger’s cat: Shakrum?
Aleta
Supposedly the protesters are now asked to leave immediately to allow “explor(ation of) alternate routes for the pipeline crossing”, yet (via NYT)
Villago Delenda Est
Outright, baldfaced lie.
Steve in the ATL
@Villago Delenda Est: “Hello!” lied Trump.
Aleta
@SiubhanDuinne: Galeairy Lake. Most of the lake is in the park; we would canoe to this spot to picnic.
The maiden name listed for my gf’s mother implies maybe so, but I have no other record of her life.
Aleta
@Villago Delenda Est:
It’s a given by now, isn’t it, a way to know the truth by taking the inverse as true…
schrodinger's cat
@Adam L Silverman: Chakra is for Vishnu, not for mere mortals like me.
Adam L Silverman
@schrodinger’s cat: I knew I spelled it wrong. Also, for Xena!
http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/23841/21768858_4.jpg?v=8D2370A1492D8F0
gene108
@Jeffro:
I have run across folks on the internet, who take #pizzagate, very seriously.
They are folks, who find conspiracy theories very appealing, like 9/11 was an inside job.
This is not going away.
That pizza owner will have his life ruined over this crackpot conspiracy.
There’s also an e-mail, Wikileaks’s released of John Podesta, where he says having the kids – ages 7 to 11 – over for a pool party would be entertaining. Therefore this is proof Podesta and the Clintons are in deep, with #pizzagate, as the pizza place owner hosted events for Democrats, including Hillary.
There are folks that live, breath and die with conspiracy theories as the basis of their understanding and once the conspiracy theories take hold, they do not go away.
Edit: Not linking to the pool party e-mail, as the only sources are Wikileaks’s or conspiracy sites and I do not want to give those fuckers clicks.
terben
‘feral government’ I hope he actually said that!
schrodinger's cat
@Adam L Silverman: Is Xena, Mohini?
Karen
I’m probably wrong but can’t Trump reverse this?