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You are here: Home / Open Threads / Plutocrat Sics Thugs on Union Man

Plutocrat Sics Thugs on Union Man

by Betty Cracker|  December 7, 201610:41 pm| 154 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Politics, Republican Stupidity, Assholes, Not Normal

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Just our future president, putting the “bully” in the bully pulpit:

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Jones’ offense was correctly pointing out that Cheeto Benito’s Carrier deal was less than advertised. So now Jones is getting death threats from unhinged Trump super fans. This asshole may get someone killed before he’s even sworn in.

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  1. 1.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 7, 2016 at 10:42 pm

    This asshole may get someone killed before he’s even sworn in.

    May?

  2. 2.

    Corner Stone

    December 7, 2016 at 10:47 pm

    This is what we have to look forward to. Some thug/mafia style work coming.

  3. 3.

    Percysowner

    December 7, 2016 at 10:47 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: May get some white guy who voted for him killed. Because you know, Hillary’s husband supported Free Trade and emails while Trump only did everything in his power to stop his employees from unionizing.

  4. 4.

    Corner Stone

    December 7, 2016 at 10:48 pm

    “Reduce Dues” ??
    This makes the jobs at Carrier more affordable? This fucking guy.

  5. 5.

    max

    December 7, 2016 at 10:49 pm

    Jones’ offense was correctly pointing out that Cheeto Benito’s Carrier deal was less than advertised. So now Jones is getting death threats from unhinged Trump super fans. This asshole may get someone killed before he’s even sworn in.

    Well, he doesn’t get his hands dirty that way. He’s not ‘brave like that’.

    max
    [‘He’s too busy with the Vietnam of Venereal Disease.’]

  6. 6.

    s herl

    December 7, 2016 at 10:50 pm

    I love how this ahole went from a 35% tariff if Carrier sent jobs overseas to if they keep 35% of the jobs in the US they get a 7 Mil tax break.

  7. 7.

    Corner Stone

    December 7, 2016 at 10:50 pm

    KAC saying it is a positive that the PEOTUS is able to somehow effect markets.
    I am loving watching this butthole mouth face motherfucker talk.

  8. 8.

    Davis X. Machina

    December 7, 2016 at 10:51 pm

    If the legislature does this, it’s a black-letter, ipso-facto, slam-dunk bill of attainder.

    The executive? Held back only by norms. And these guys don’t do norms.

    The American presidency is essentially a divine-right monarchy right up until the impeachment starts, if the incumbent wants it so.

    Heckuva job, Jemmy Madison.

  9. 9.

    Corner Stone

    December 7, 2016 at 10:52 pm

    “No wonder companies flee country!”
    Like Ivanka’s? Where is her tariff? And I don’t mean Trump slapping her on the ass.

  10. 10.

    burnspbesq

    December 7, 2016 at 10:53 pm

    The only surprise is the Trump didn’t require Carrier to bust the union as a condition of getting the tax breaks.

  11. 11.

    SiubhanDuinne

    December 7, 2016 at 10:54 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Lord knows I’m no fan of Megyn Kelly, but I heard her today on Fresh Air and she related some absolutely horrifying stories about the abusive tweets and death threats she received (and still receives) from Trump supporters starting right after the first GOP debate. And let’s not forget that reporter Katy Tur (sp?) had to have Secret Service protection just to get from Trump rallies to her car last summer because Trump called her out by name and his thugs threatened her. It’s only a matter of time before someone is killed. I take no pleasure in making that prediction, and I hope I’m wrong.

  12. 12.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 7, 2016 at 10:54 pm

    Time to stock up on “I never thought I’d miss Nixon” stickers from eBay, while it’s still legal.

  13. 13.

    TK

    December 7, 2016 at 10:54 pm

    Trump’s shtick is getting so old. ‘Hey look everyone, he tweets stupid sh!t totally unsupported by evidence and lashes out at people but he’s got lots of rabid fans’ ZZZZzzzzzz….. Even cable news is bound to get over this eventually.

  14. 14.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 7, 2016 at 10:56 pm

    @TK:

    Even cable news is bound to get over this eventually.

    Define eventually.

  15. 15.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    December 7, 2016 at 10:58 pm

    @TK: It’s already been a year and a half and cable news just bends over and asks for more.

    ETA: What Omnes said.

  16. 16.

    Corner Stone

    December 7, 2016 at 10:58 pm

    We’re about to have an admin where everything that comes out of the President’s mouth is a lie. Not like having a Kenyan in the WH. Every single thing that is said is going to be tagged as a lie until factually proven correct.

  17. 17.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 7, 2016 at 10:59 pm

    So basically it’s going to be Gamergate for everybody of any means who publicly criticizes Il Douche.

  18. 18.

    Jerzy Russian

    December 7, 2016 at 11:01 pm

    So companies stay when their workers are well represented, and the companies flee when their workers are poorly represented? I guess it is some kind of reverse psychology going on? Perhaps this is taught in business schools nowadays.

    I hope members of the Electoral College have access to Twitter so that they can see first hand who they will be voting for.

  19. 19.

    PhoenixRising

    December 7, 2016 at 11:03 pm

    Wow. Just like in Russia, Cambodia & Turkey…barely elected autocrat attacking union organizer on radio…I mean Twitter.

    Has anyone else wondered whether Twitter is the new Radio Rwanda?

  20. 20.

    Davis X. Machina

    December 7, 2016 at 11:05 pm

    @Jerzy Russian:

    I hope members of the Electoral College have access to Twitter so that they can see first hand who they will be voting for.

    As long as 270 of them say: “He hates the same people I hate — hand me the ballot.” does it make a difference?

  21. 21.

    Corner Stone

    December 7, 2016 at 11:06 pm

    Could Time Magazine maybe put ebola or zika on its cover?

  22. 22.

    khead

    December 7, 2016 at 11:06 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    In the long run, we are all dead.

  23. 23.

    rm

    December 7, 2016 at 11:06 pm

    This is what the president in the Philippines is doing too — ask him hard questions or criticize him, get a storm of death threats and rape threats. I don’t think the press or the politicians who barely understand what the internet is are aware of how this will work.

  24. 24.

    Viva BrisVegas

    December 7, 2016 at 11:06 pm

    @Davis X. Machina:

    The American presidency is essentially a divine-right monarchy right up until the impeachment starts, if the incumbent wants it so.

    That was because the framers disavowed the potential for the existence of organised political parties in Congress which would protect rather than discipline errant presidents of the same ilk.

    The notion of which even a cursory examination of English politics at the time would have disabused them.

  25. 25.

    Ian

    December 7, 2016 at 11:07 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:
    Yes. They pulled off this behaviour before, and now they have ‘won’. Expect the behaviour to get worse as it is normalized into how people now accept America as becoming (GREAT!)

  26. 26.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    December 7, 2016 at 11:07 pm

    @Corner Stone: KAC saying it is a positive that the PEOTUS is able to somehow effect markets.

    This far more likely to get Republicans’ attention than death threats to a person, especially a union person

  27. 27.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 7, 2016 at 11:08 pm

    @khead: redshirt?

  28. 28.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 7, 2016 at 11:08 pm

    @PhoenixRising: Twitter may be the modern equivalent of radio, but it is is not a monolith. My twitter feed consists of left-leaning people, good journalists, A Bear, Henry VIII, and Richard III. I find little horribleness. No Radio Rwanda there, although Henry VIII can be a bit of a shit. Other feeds may be different.

  29. 29.

    mkro

    December 7, 2016 at 11:10 pm

    Real nice. Mr. golden commode blames the workers for the business owner shipping jobs overseas. How very populist of him.

  30. 30.

    khead

    December 7, 2016 at 11:11 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Yes. It’s really looking like that is the case.

  31. 31.

    Corner Stone

    December 7, 2016 at 11:12 pm

    @Viva BrisVegas: DMX is just trying to heighten the contradictions.

  32. 32.

    Thoroughly Pizzled

    December 7, 2016 at 11:12 pm

    How could ANYONE vote for this man? That fact will depress me for the rest of my life. I could be beaming at my child’s wedding and you could ruin everything by whispering “People voted for Donald Trump to be President of the United States” into my ear.

  33. 33.

    SWMBO

    December 7, 2016 at 11:12 pm

    @Jerzy Russian: It won’t matter to most (all) of them. Their asses aren’t on the line. Their families and their incomes aren’t on the line. They won’t change their votes because TEFA rage tweets.

  34. 34.

    Aleta

    December 7, 2016 at 11:12 pm

    At a couple of union workplaces where I know someone, most union workers said they supported Trump (while many managers said Hillary). Did they really miss the fact that Tr never promised union jobs, never promised to support the high wages and job protection that they have now? He’ll help to break every union floor and motor vehicle union he can.

  35. 35.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    December 7, 2016 at 11:14 pm

    @Thoroughly Pizzled: @Aleta: Nick Rafter ‏@ Rafter 57m57 minutes ago
    Union supporters of Trump I spoke to all say they voted for him because of refugees/immigration.

    ETA: This American Life did an episode just before the election about fear-mongering against refugees in (mostly) MN, it was pretty scary.

  36. 36.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 7, 2016 at 11:15 pm

    @Aleta: Lots of union folks supported Scott Walker, since they knew “he didn’t mean their union.”

    ETA: Also as Jim, Foolish Literalist just noted they hate Mexicans and Muslims.

  37. 37.

    Manyakitty

    December 7, 2016 at 11:15 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: It’s all about ethics in gaming journalism.

  38. 38.

    Corner Stone

    December 7, 2016 at 11:15 pm

    People keep saying “the Emoluments Clause” like it is a real thing that means something. It is not. And it does not.

  39. 39.

    PhoenixRising

    December 7, 2016 at 11:16 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Local radio is also facially neutral. The Donald uses Twitter like autocratic politicians who need factional strife in other countries used radio.

    It’s the directing a mass audience at a person with no means to protect himself that is the common thread here.

  40. 40.

    tobie

    December 7, 2016 at 11:17 pm

    Just think that soon this fucker will have all the intelligence services at his disposal too. Please Obama declassify the intelligence on Russia’s interference in the presidential campaign. 8 Members of the Senate Intelligence Committee have requested this. Here’s a linkto the petition at WhiteHouse.gov to declassify this material. This is our last chance. The intelligence will be buried once Trump’s inaugurated.

  41. 41.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 7, 2016 at 11:17 pm

    @Corner Stone: Woohoo! That will finally bring on the revolution and everyone who posts on the blog will be eliminated – even the leftier-than-thou commenters – as “so fucking bourgeois that I can’t even…” And then the workers’ paradise will come.

  42. 42.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 7, 2016 at 11:18 pm

    @Corner Stone: It’s the new shibboleth. Glass-Steagall! Public option! If Democrats weren’t sell-outs they would Emoluments Clause!

  43. 43.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 7, 2016 at 11:19 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Had that Muslim American transit worker broken her neck when she was thrown down the stairs at Grand Central yesterday on her way to work, that would have done it. It will happen as I’ve written here repeatedly.

    What is going to aid or assist in resisting this is going to be people like Chuck Jones and his local’s members. They are going to very, very quickly have their illusions shattered. Same thing will be those who own stocks in whatever companies that the President-elect decides to go after via twitter and lose their shirts.

    And the GOP needs to be reminded every single day that they own this. That no one ever wants to hear them laud the greatness of the free market, because they have allowed the newest President from their party to destroy it. We’re moving quickly to some strange overlap of corporatocracy, gangster capitalism, and kleptocracy.

  44. 44.

    Corner Stone

    December 7, 2016 at 11:20 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: I can’t even with this shit.

  45. 45.

    Davis X. Machina

    December 7, 2016 at 11:20 pm

    @Aleta: And the gender of your collocutors was?

    Misogyny’s the 2016 election elephant in the room.

  46. 46.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 7, 2016 at 11:21 pm

    @Corner Stone: Every time he badmouths a company and their stock goes down, Ms. Conway needs to be investigated for insider trading to determine if she shorted the company before the President-elect drove their stock prices down.

  47. 47.

    Davis X. Machina

    December 7, 2016 at 11:22 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    We’re moving quickly to some strange overlap of corporatocracy, gangster capitalism, and kleptocracy.

    Now you know the source of their Putin fixation…

    It’s aspirational.

  48. 48.

    Corner Stone

    December 7, 2016 at 11:24 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Your continued belief in institution(s) amazes me.

  49. 49.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 7, 2016 at 11:24 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: And yet she couldn’t be bothered reporting this news before the election. Instead she waiting until she could turn a private profit off of it in terms of book sales and speaker’s fees.

  50. 50.

    Corner Stone

    December 7, 2016 at 11:25 pm

    @Davis X. Machina: Heighten that shit! Heighten it!!

  51. 51.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 7, 2016 at 11:29 pm

    @PhoenixRising: I understand that. It was sort of my point. It is not Twitter that is the problem but rather the white supremacists on Twitter.

  52. 52.

    SiubhanDuinne

    December 7, 2016 at 11:29 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Yes, that is infuriating. She could also have come forward about Roger Ailes’ sexual abuse of Fox females long before she did. Might have made a big difference to some of the other women (ETA: …and got Ailes fired a lot sooner).

  53. 53.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 7, 2016 at 11:31 pm

    @Corner Stone: I know.

  54. 54.

    amk

    December 7, 2016 at 11:32 pm

    For eight fucking years, the ‘dem voters’ did jacksquat to support and aid their own president except to bitch and moan and taking their ball home thereby ceding the entire political ground and power to teabaggers and their destructive ilk across the country. Too late to whine about it now.

  55. 55.

    Corner Stone

    December 7, 2016 at 11:32 pm

    Romney looks like a Golem. Waiting for Trump to shove some written instructions down his mouth.

  56. 56.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 7, 2016 at 11:33 pm

    @Jerzy Russian: What’s missing in this whole discussion is that 85% of manufacturing jobs lost since NAFTA are the result of technological changes, not outsourcing.
    https://www.ft.com/content/dec677c0-b7e6-11e6-ba85-95d1533d9a62

    The US did indeed lose about 5.6m manufacturing jobs between 2000 and 2010. But according to a study by the Center for Business and Economic Research at Ball State University, 85 per cent of these jobs losses are actually attributable to technological change — largely automation — rather than international trade.

    The think-tank found that although there has been a steep decline in factory jobs, the manufacturing sector has become more productive and industrial output has been growing.

    “Simply put, we are producing more with fewer people,” notes Mireya Solís, a senior fellow at Brookings.

    And, according to the St. Louis Fed, wages in the manufacturing sector have been going up:
    https://fredblog.stlouisfed.org/2016/05/manufacturing-up-down/?utm_source=series_page&utm_medium=related_content&utm_term=related_resources&utm_campaign=fredblog

  57. 57.

    khead

    December 7, 2016 at 11:34 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    I wish I had the money to just sit around and day trade in response to Trump tweets for a few years.

  58. 58.

    Ian

    December 7, 2016 at 11:35 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:
    She works for Fox. You expect morals and standards?

  59. 59.

    Corner Stone

    December 7, 2016 at 11:35 pm

    @amk: Who did you vote for?

  60. 60.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 7, 2016 at 11:35 pm

    @rm: And the bulk of them live in NY City and DC. So they’re already concentrated in place.

  61. 61.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 7, 2016 at 11:37 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Hillary talked about automation vs outsourcing/deindustrialization during one of the debates and got totally slagged. It’s not missing from the discussion, per se.

  62. 62.

    tobie

    December 7, 2016 at 11:38 pm

    @amk: Care to explain this? Some of us have worked our hearts out every midterm election. As we’ve learned, though, GOTV doesn’t do much in the face of media avalanches, and has been noted here often enough our media — including so-called Democratic pundits — have failed us miserably. I still remember Ruth Marcus calling Obama’s light criticism of Fox News a “hissy fit.” God, that seems so overblown given the President Elect’s singling out of individual citizens for abuse on twitter.

  63. 63.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 7, 2016 at 11:41 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Our problem is that the election wasn’t about issues. It was about a weird personality thing – and the weird rules meant that the obviously shitty human beat Hermione Grainger.

  64. 64.

    Mart

    December 7, 2016 at 11:44 pm

    @Jerzy Russian: This was taught extensively at Trump University.

  65. 65.

    Aleta

    December 7, 2016 at 11:44 pm

    It looks like a Fossil Fuels Protection Agency may soon defend and subsidize the downtrodden oilmen in their struggle to be free.

    And maybe Russia will guide Tr in dismantling the Arctic Council’s (which SoS Clinton had joined for us) hope of fighting climate change and protecting the environment as the shipping routes up there continue to open.

  66. 66.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 7, 2016 at 11:45 pm

    @PhoenixRising: As I’ve written once or twice in comments before, and I am NOT advocating for it, but this will continue until the person that the twitter minute hate is directed at is someone who carries. At that point the person screaming threats and obscenities is going to learn very quickly that the old phrase “G-d made man, Samuel Colt made men equal” applies to people of color, religious minorities, those who are LGBTQ, and/or immigrants. And at that point things will get very, very interesting.

  67. 67.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 7, 2016 at 11:46 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Our problem is that the election wasn’t about issues.

    Or character.

    Saw a thing on FB:

    “i miss 2012 when the biggest problem was Gangnam Style being overplayed it was a much simpler time before we knew what 2016 had in store for us”

    “2012 was like the early years of harry potter when the biggest obstacle he faced was a somewhat cranky dog. now 2016 has happened, the triwizard tournament is over and cedric is dead”

    “IF THIS IS ONLY BOOK 4 THAN WE ARE SERIOUSLY FUCKED”

    “Ofc it’s only book 4. We just realized Trump is a real threat. Now we have to contend with a whole book of people telling is everything is fine. Then one of ineffectual governmental scrambling and then a whole book of open rebellion and racism.”

  68. 68.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 7, 2016 at 11:48 pm

    @Davis X. Machina: I’m quite well aware of that. I’ve remarked here several times that for a lot of the self identified political, social, and/or religious conservative crowd who use freedom and liberty as almost charms to be invoked against evil, that if you scratch their surface a bit they are actually authoritarians and have no compunction about being ruled despite all of their protestations otherwise. As long as the ruler is on their team.

  69. 69.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 7, 2016 at 11:49 pm

    @Adam L Silverman

    : And at that point things will get very, very interesting.

    By that you mean ugly. right?

  70. 70.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    December 7, 2016 at 11:50 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Our problem is that the election wasn’t about issues. It was about a weird personality thing –

    …and email!

  71. 71.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 7, 2016 at 11:50 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA: And, of course, ethics and gaming journalism.

  72. 72.

    Jerzy Russian

    December 7, 2016 at 11:53 pm

    @Mart: Damn, I should have thought of that. I need to step up my game here.

  73. 73.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 7, 2016 at 11:56 pm

    @Corner Stone: I’m not saying it will happen. I don’t even think it will happen. I’m saying it should happen. There’s a difference.

    As for my belief in American institutions: I’m not a pollyanna (pollyAdam?). I believe in the ideal, but I have been arguing for years that our institutions have not aged well. Especially Congress. They are sclerotic and long, long overdue for some serious attention, TLC, and refitting, and repair. And every period of progress in the US, from the founding to the Obama Administration, has always come with a tremendous push back and retrenchment rooted in revanchism against segments of the citizenry and population.

    Things are going to be bad, and worse for some more than for others. But the only way we come through this is to place as much pressure on the institutions as possible, look out for each other as much as possible, and become as strange as it sounds a true conservative movement – to conserve the ideals, the National promise, the norms and values so they can be reestablished and then shorn up so progress can be made once again.

  74. 74.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 7, 2016 at 11:57 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Yep. Tells you where her priorities are.

  75. 75.

    MomSense

    December 7, 2016 at 11:58 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Yup. Pretty soon we’ll all tweet “the Ministry has fallen”

  76. 76.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 7, 2016 at 11:58 pm

    @Ian: No, not in the least.

  77. 77.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 8, 2016 at 12:00 am

    @Major Major Major Major: I’m tracking. She also talked about planning to move workforces into new sectors – coal miners into clean energy workers. I get it, you get it, almost everyone here at Balloon Juice gets it. When was the last time someone mentioned it on the news? Or in the print news?

  78. 78.

    Lizzy L

    December 8, 2016 at 12:00 am

    @Adam L Silverman:

    And the GOP needs to be reminded every single day that they own this.

    They. Do. Not. Care.
    They are weasels without grace or honor, and the only thing that matters to them is acquiring and keeping power, and making sure that any loose money flows their way. The ones who do care have already spoken up, and my guess is that they have been either bought off or threatened into silence. It’s up to the Democrats and to us. We the people. Hamilton’s “great beast.”

  79. 79.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 8, 2016 at 12:00 am

    @Adam L Silverman: Any real surprise?

  80. 80.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 8, 2016 at 12:02 am

    @Lizzy L: Reminding won’t fix the assholes. Reminding may affect the low-info types.

  81. 81.

    Glidwrith

    December 8, 2016 at 12:02 am

    @Adam L Silverman: Not being of the twiterati, how would a carrier find one of the twit wits to conduct mayhem? Doxx the twit wit?

  82. 82.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 8, 2016 at 12:02 am

    @Adam L Silverman: Every so often somebody like Tom Friedman of all people comes along and talks about it, or one of the basic income folks.

  83. 83.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 8, 2016 at 12:04 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: Yes, yes I do. But also interesting in that President-elect LawNOrder will want to clamp down on firearms ownership. Because of control. And that will be interesting. And by interesting I do mean ugly.

  84. 84.

    Mike J

    December 8, 2016 at 12:04 am

    @Adam L Silverman:

    We’re moving quickly to some strange overlap of corporatocracy, gangster capitalism, and kleptocracy.

    You really need to read William Gibson. The Peripheral.

  85. 85.

    Mart

    December 8, 2016 at 12:05 am

    @Adam L Silverman: I have been touring factories for 35 years. In my youth car plants had 4,000 employees. Remember they had lead booths where folks in suits with clean air pumped in slopped lead onto the weld seams to make look smooth. This is where a lot of cars started to rust. Today 400 employees produce the same number of cars. The welds are all completed by robots, and there is no need to slop lead to smooth out the weld. And cars do not rust (other improvements impact this). Find this trend across most industry, except where the jobs are so miserable & low paying that those damn illegals are the only ones you find employed.

  86. 86.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 8, 2016 at 12:06 am

    @Lizzy L: Failure to point it out, even if they are beyond shame, is still necessary.

  87. 87.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 8, 2016 at 12:06 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: No, not in the least.

  88. 88.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 8, 2016 at 12:10 am

    @Glidwrith: That’s not what I meant. What I meant is someone will get stirred up by something on social media (twitter, Facebook), for instance the idiot local official in Alaska who yesterday saw one of the security specialist frauds that Fox has on and who has spent years going after this African American Sufi organization because he’s convinced, despite all evidence to the contrary, despite being told by the FBI that they aren’t, that they’re part of a terrorist network. The local official in Alaksa saw it and posted it on Facebook. And today one of the members of this community, who had run and lost for the Alaska state legislature and who was a Senator Sanders delegate and who works with the local police as a volunteer was threatened.

    Eventually the person that does the threatening is going to do it to someone who is armed and who is willing to defend themselves. That’s what I mean.
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/clarion-project-islam-compound-alaska-assemblywoman-gregory-jones

  89. 89.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 8, 2016 at 12:11 am

    @Major Major Major Major: Probably some cabbie mentioned it to him.

  90. 90.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 8, 2016 at 12:12 am

    @Mart: Yep.

  91. 91.

    max

    December 8, 2016 at 12:14 am

    Not even on topic, and late to boot but:

    As Aylwin lay moored in a nest with her squadron mates on the morning of 7 December 1941, one small boiler was in operation to provide enough power for auxiliary services on board. Approximately half of her men were enjoying leave and liberty that weekend. At 07:55 that Sunday morning, shortly before morning colors, the sound of airplane engines surprised Aylwin’s men and countless other sailors. At that time, Japanese planes torpedoed the target ship USS Utah moored to a quay off Ford Island.

    Three minutes later, Aylwin returned fire. At 08:00, the “black gang” lit fires under two boilers, cutting them in on her main steam line within 15 minutes. At 08:29, Commander, Destroyers Battle Force directed his ships to get underway. At about 08:50, a Japanese plane dropped a bomb that exploded some 75 yards off Aylwin’s starboard bow. Eight minutes later, Aylwin, leaving her stern wire and anchor chain behind, headed for the channel and the open sea.

    The destroyer, manned by 50% of her crew under the direction of four ensigns—the senior officer, Ensign Stanley B. Caplan, had served at sea for only some eight months—proceeded out of Pearl Harbor, stripping ship for war and simultaneously maintaining a “continuous fire.” Her machine gunners claimed to have downed at least three aircraft; but, in the light of the tremendous volume of antiaircraft fire from all ships, her “kills” cannot be proven conclusively.

    As Aylwin raced out to sea, those men topside who chanced to look astern beheld a curious sight; her captain, Lt. Comdr. Robert H. Rodgers, and other officers, in a motor launch about 1,000 yards off the entrance buoys. Nevertheless, in view of ComDesRon 1’s instructions, Aylwin could not slow down, but instead headed out to sea for patrol duty, leaving most of her officers orphans on board the old flushdecker USS Chew.

    A little less than a half hour later, Aylwin investigated a reported submarine sighting, but found nothing. During the patrol, the destroyer vibrated abnormally because of a screw damaged soon after she got underway when a bomb explosion near her starboard quarter threw her stern into a buoy.

    Late on the afternoon of 8 December, Aylwin followed the Enterprise task force into Pearl Harbor and picked up Rodgers and the division commander, Comdr. R. S. Riggs, on the way into the channel. The next day, Aylwin got underway and conducted antisubmarine patrols in sector 2, off the entrance to Pearl Harbor. She made a sound contact on 10 December. After going to general quarters, she dropped a five-charge pattern, but with no confirmed damage. Entering Pearl Harbor again on the 11th, Aylwin underwent repairs to her damaged propeller.

    On 12 December, after the smoke over Oahu had cleared, Comdr. Rodgers heaped praise on his abbreviated crew for their actions in the first flush of war: “The conduct of the personnel was magnificent…. Every man more than did his job and was eager to fight.” Of Ensign Caplan, Rodgers wrote, “The conduct (of this man) … in superbly taking command for 36 hours during war operations of the severest type is a most amazing and outstanding achievement.”

    max
    [‘This is getting depressing.’]

  92. 92.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 8, 2016 at 12:16 am

    @max: I think you wanted to put that in my thread on Pearl Harbor.

  93. 93.

    Ian

    December 8, 2016 at 12:16 am

    Ewww.. There is a giant Michele Malkin add on my screen.

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    Lizzy L

    December 8, 2016 at 12:18 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: Maybe.
    @Adam L Silverman: Going to be interesting to see what happens in the media; TV, print, internet.

    If T really does decide to go after firearms, that could be a game–changer.

  95. 95.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 8, 2016 at 12:25 am

    @Lizzy L: He’ll be boxed in. He can’t have control and maintain his promises in regard to it and maintain his 2nd Amendment absolutism. He’s been ranting and raving about the homicide rate and violent crime rates being at all time highs, when they’re at 50 year lows nationally – with the exception of Chicago and one or two other cities in regards to homicides by shooting and shootings. But overall, Nationally, they’re both down. And he and his supporters have been complaining about the protestors being violent, rioters, etc. Something will have to give and when it does, here too we’ll see just how deeply principled the GOP and his supporters are.

  96. 96.

    Mart

    December 8, 2016 at 12:29 am

    @Adam L Silverman: When arguing with my upper middle class neighbors I mention that I have never seen a white person applying insulation on active steam piping. The pipe can be 230 degrees F and in the summer the ceiling temperature can exceed 140 degrees F. When touring for an hour near where these folks are working a shift, with humidity, I just pour sweat; and I am physically impaired that evening. Those damn illegals stealing our jobs. Why don’t they go pick vegetables or process meat?

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    Omnes Omnibus

    December 8, 2016 at 12:30 am

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Something will have to give and when it does, here too we’ll see just how deeply principled the GOP and his supporters are.

    Hahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahaahhaahahahahahah! Cough. Choke. Cough. Hahahahahahhahahhahahahahahahahahahaahhaha!

  98. 98.

    SiubhanDuinne

    December 8, 2016 at 12:31 am

    @Adam L Silverman:

    He devoted a fair amount of time and spittle-flecked rhetoric during the campaign railing against Chicago (or should I put “Chicago” in scare quotes?).

    Today he met with Rahm.

  99. 99.

    Sentient AI from the Future

    December 8, 2016 at 12:32 am

    When are we going to collectively acknowledge that Facebook’s dipshit contagion is a really bad trade for being able to confirm that you still have nothing in common with that hot person from high school?

  100. 100.

    SiubhanDuinne

    December 8, 2016 at 12:33 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Would you like someone to whack you between the shoulder blades? I don’t like the sound of that cough.

  101. 101.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 8, 2016 at 12:33 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: You okay up there on the frozen tundra?

  102. 102.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 8, 2016 at 12:34 am

    @Mart: Exactly.

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    Major Major Major Major

    December 8, 2016 at 12:34 am

    @Sentient AI from the Future: Given your username, it sounds like you might have a good idea of when, and may even be evolved from Facebook’s news algorithm!

  104. 104.

    Lizzy L

    December 8, 2016 at 12:35 am

    @Adam L Silverman: “Principled” as in “We are 2nd amendment absolutists, except when President T wants to disallow gun ownership for people who are not us — like Muslims.”

  105. 105.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    December 8, 2016 at 12:37 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Hahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahaahhaahahahahahah! Cough. Choke. Cough. Hahahahahahhahahhahahahahahahahahahaahhaha!

    Might want to consult with a medical professional about that.

  106. 106.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 8, 2016 at 12:37 am

    @Sentient AI from the Future: Your experience is different than mine. Don’t enable assholes. Your FB and Twitter feeds are full if assholes of let them be so. It isn’t the medium; it’s the douchebags that you know.

  107. 107.

    Timurid

    December 8, 2016 at 12:39 am

    @Adam L Silverman:

    And when it happens the shooter will get the whole library thrown at him.
    Because most of the institutions now belong to the other team.

  108. 108.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    December 8, 2016 at 12:39 am

    @Lizzy L: Pretty much, the 2nd amendment is only operative if you’re a lighter skin pigment.

  109. 109.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 8, 2016 at 12:39 am

    @Adam L Silverman: I am fine. Getting tired and ready to sleep.

  110. 110.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 8, 2016 at 12:40 am

    @Lizzy L: Exactly.

  111. 111.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 8, 2016 at 12:40 am

    @Timurid: Most likely.

  112. 112.

    Millard Filmore

    December 8, 2016 at 12:40 am

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Something will have to give and when it does, here too we’ll see just how deeply principled the GOP and his supporters are.

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Hahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahaahhaahahahahahah! Cough. Choke. Cough. Hahahahahahhahahhahahahahahahahahahaahhaha!

    So Omnes, you think a substantial portion of conservatives will flip and suddenly support gun control simply because Trump wants it? I have the same low opinion of conservatives that you do.

  113. 113.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 8, 2016 at 12:42 am

    @Millard Filmore: I think what now?

  114. 114.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    December 8, 2016 at 12:43 am

    @Millard Filmore: They’ll support gun control for “those people”.

  115. 115.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 8, 2016 at 12:44 am

    @BillinGlendaleCA: It confused me too.

    ETA: He wasn’t one of our better presidents. Just saying.

  116. 116.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 8, 2016 at 12:45 am

    @Millard Filmore: Repub voters flipped their opinion on trade to match Trump’s, other things couldn’t be too far behind.

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    Adam L Silverman

    December 8, 2016 at 12:46 am

    @Millard Filmore: I certainly do. They’ll come up with all sorts of justifications and rationalizations, but because they’re really small “a” authoritarians (the majority of them) or large “A” authoritarians (the minority of them), they’ll go along.

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    Mnemosyne

    December 8, 2016 at 12:47 am

    @Davis X. Machina:

    Hamilton’s plan doesn’t look so bad now, does it?

    (Just kidding, his plan was pretty lame.)

  119. 119.

    Millard Filmore

    December 8, 2016 at 12:49 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I think what now?

    Weren’t you laughing at the idea that conservatives would stand up for their principles and become outraged that Trump would try to impose gun control?

  120. 120.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 8, 2016 at 12:53 am

    @Millard Filmore: Trump won’t try to impose gun control. The idea is laughable.

  121. 121.

    Lizzy L

    December 8, 2016 at 12:55 am

    @Millard Filmore: It will all be presented in the language and as an issue of National Security, and Flynn and Kelly will be front and center. @Adam L Silverman: Adam, a question: Kelly is only recently retired from the Marines. Does he, like Mattis, need a “waiver”? Homeland Security is a cabinet post.

  122. 122.

    Davis X. Machina

    December 8, 2016 at 12:58 am

    @Mart: It’s easy for them. Anyone who can simultaneously sit at home and collect welfare, and take jobs away from more deserving Americans clearly has superpowers.

  123. 123.

    Davis X. Machina

    December 8, 2016 at 1:00 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: Precisely. Why disarm your own Freikorps?

  124. 124.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 8, 2016 at 1:03 am

    @Lizzy L: No, the law states that no general officer/flag officer who has not been retired for at least 7 years can serve as the Secretary of Defense. There is no such restriction for other cabinet posts.

  125. 125.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 8, 2016 at 1:04 am

    @Davis X. Machina: You misunderstand my point. It won’t be an attempt to universally disarm Americans. Rather it would be an attempt to selectively disarm on those people.

  126. 126.

    Mnemosyne

    December 8, 2016 at 1:04 am

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    Yep. If they were able to figure out how to specifically target minority voters with voter ID laws, they’ll be able to figure out how to prevent minorities from buying guns using similar metrics. Hell, just saying that you have to show a valid driver’s license to buy a gun gets you halfway there.

  127. 127.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 8, 2016 at 1:06 am

    @Davis X. Machina: @Adam L Silverman: You know, Muslims and blacks. As soon as the inevitable 9/11 (or at least San Bernadino) happens and some sort of reconstituted black panthers start spreading around the country.

  128. 128.

    ThresherK (GPad)

    December 8, 2016 at 1:09 am

    @Corner Stone: I say this in a general sense as I think you know it. I’m just wondering what percentage of the country remembers, rhere is no positive connnotation for MotY. Look at a few past recipients.

    I’d have pcked James Comey, myself.

  129. 129.

    Lizzy L

    December 8, 2016 at 1:17 am

    @Adam L Silverman: Ah, thanks. I didn’t realize the restriction was limited to SecDef.

    With regard to taking guns away from people whom T doesn’t want to have them: the only way I can think of him being able to do this is by declaring a national emergency relating to homeland security, or by declaring war. IANAL. Am I nuts?

  130. 130.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 8, 2016 at 1:20 am

    @Lizzy L: Trump is an authoritarian. I can see him trying. I can also see him not trying. But it would not surprise me if he does try.

  131. 131.

    MomSense

    December 8, 2016 at 1:21 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Once the media repeat his lies about blahs and browns and skeery Muslims stockpiling guns they will.

  132. 132.

    Raven Onthill

    December 8, 2016 at 1:27 am

    Well, maybe with the unions under attack, we will finally get some movement on defending internet harassment victims. I for-sure wouldn’t want a bunch of steelworkers mad at me.

  133. 133.

    Lizzy L

    December 8, 2016 at 1:30 am

    @Adam L Silverman: Yes. I think it would need a triggering event. We’re bound to get one of those, sooner or later.

    Okay, I’m out of here. My mind is going places I really don’t want to go. Sleep tight.

  134. 134.

    Mnemosyne

    December 8, 2016 at 1:32 am

    Are we allowed to have a harsh laugh yet that Melania’s supposed cause as First Lady is going to be internet bullying?

  135. 135.

    ThresherK (GPad)

    December 8, 2016 at 1:33 am

    @Lizzy L: Am I nuts?

    There is no too far with this incoming prez which someone isn’t explicitly or tacitly being e,couraged to do, so in that regard, no.

    The “family tree of political crazee” has a branch including all those anthrax scares from c. 2002. All mailed to Dems’ political offices, or government buildings. The current stuff is a predictable extension of that branch.

  136. 136.

    mai naem mobile

    December 8, 2016 at 1:34 am

    For all the times the Obama people have been called thugs (aka conspeak for “blacks”),I think the Trumpies are the real thugs. My sister was telling me how the whole family reminds her of a Mafia family. Hell, the company is called the Trump Organization. They dress like mafiosos. We just need a picture of them sitting around a bug table eating spaghetti and drinking Italian wine.

  137. 137.

    Steve in the ATL

    December 8, 2016 at 1:34 am

    @Raven Onthill:

    Well, maybe with the unions under attack, we will finally get some movement on defending internet harassment victims.

    A certain Slovenian call girl said that internet harassment would be her First Lady crusade.

    ETA: D’oh! Scroll, then post…scroll, then post…

  138. 138.

    danielx

    December 8, 2016 at 1:41 am

    They did a phone interview on this evening’s news with Chuck Jones, and his attitude towards Trump and assorted flying monkeys is, in short, fuck ’em. Trump did lie his ass off, there are still a ton of people losing their jobs, and taxpayers are getting ripped off by Carrier (nothing new, Carrier is part of United Technologies after all) – in short, fuck them.

    Jones told IndyStar that the first tweet was evidence to him that he was doing his job.

    “First of all, that means I’m doing, and we’re doing, as labor representatives, the best we can for the people to give them a living wage and good benefits,” Jones said. “No, what he says, that don’t bother me.”

    Edit: ‘flying monkeys’ seems a little quaint, almost – thinking of that awful occasion when michelle malkin stalked that handicapped kid’s family. almost innocent, now.

  139. 139.

    mai naem mobile

    December 8, 2016 at 1:42 am

    @tobie: Ruth Marcus is worthless. I remember seeing her years ago on CSPAN with Mona Charen. These two are supposed to be friends and Caren was being quite nasty and stupid Marcus is just being nice and polite.

  140. 140.

    Redshift

    December 8, 2016 at 1:46 am

    @Adam L Silverman: The thought struck me today that the reason Trump is appointing so many military officers to his cabinet is because he thinks they’ll take orders. He has always indicated that he thinks being president is like being the CEO of the country, and on his reality-show version, that means barking orders that make things happen, not forging consensus or working out problems.

    Anyone else have that thought, or have an idea how generals are likely to respond to such treatment?

    I can still remember when calling them “banana Republicans” was at least partly a joke…

  141. 141.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 8, 2016 at 1:49 am

    @Redshift: I do not think it will go over well. They will follow legal orders. They will not respond well to being browbeaten and treated in a disrespectful manner.

    And with that, I’m to bed!

  142. 142.

    RadioOne

    December 8, 2016 at 2:03 am

    this must have been said before, but clearly Palisades Park is our new national anthem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMJJ1Fzdtho

  143. 143.

    ThresherK (GPad)

    December 8, 2016 at 2:04 am

    @danielx: Rnadom thought: Michelle Malkin loves internment camps (the WWII-era variety) so much. Maybe she’ll get to find out what they’re firsthand.

    If she were a good…whatever she calls herself, she should go stand in line, like at the Apple store the day before the new iPhones arrive.

  144. 144.

    Mnemosyne

    December 8, 2016 at 2:09 am

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Really, you think a four-star Marine general (Ret.) might not respond well to Trump telling him that his stint in military school was just like being in the Marines?

  145. 145.

    Tenar Arha (same Tenar, more Nameless Ones)

    December 8, 2016 at 2:10 am

    @Mnemosyne: I had that a month or more ago. That used to make me howl. She may not even be acting as First Lady based on recent reports, so I’m ? stumped.

  146. 146.

    Redshift

    December 8, 2016 at 2:12 am

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I do not think it will go over well. They will follow legal orders. They will not respond well to being browbeaten and treated in a disrespectful manner.

    Hmm, we’ll see. Unfortunately, for a cabinet secretary, the line of illegal orders is less clear, and there are a lot of very bad things they can be told to do that aren’t illegal at all. And the disrespect might be a mitigating factor, but by all accounts Trump is a wimp when it comes to confronting people in person (or more likely, his personality disorder drives him to say what they want to hear), and will only be disrespectful indirectly or in writing.

  147. 147.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 8, 2016 at 2:17 am

    I feel like we’re neglecting an important aspect of their appointments, which is that they’re voluntary. This isn’t a military situation where they can’t turn down a station (if that’s even a thing). They’re voluntarily choosing to associate with Trump, and they know how beaten their brows will be and the sort of things they’ll be asked to do.

  148. 148.

    ruemara

    December 8, 2016 at 2:26 am

    @tobie: Then this comment isn’t about you. But it for damned sure does cover a lot of our progressive betters. And they are still peddling the “Hillary would have been the same” crap to each other.

  149. 149.

    mai naem mobile

    December 8, 2016 at 2:33 am

    @Redshift: I thought it was because he has this romanticized vision of the military like General Patton in the movie version of the Battle of the Bulge or Ike in ‘The Longest Day.’I can see Pence and Reince selling him on a rah rah military hero.

  150. 150.

    ThresherK (GPad)

    December 8, 2016 at 2:45 am

    @ruemara: ok here’s a genuine line from a “better than me” progressive on the facebooks:

    Donald Trump is a Gemini, so when he says one thing and does another it shows you can’t tell! Maybe some of that middle-moderate-sounding stuff from his mouth will actually reflect the appointments and policies he pursues!

  151. 151.

    Ericblair

    December 8, 2016 at 4:31 am

    @mai naem mobile: In my experience, general officers don’t order each other around like people seem to think. Orders and requests do get passed from one to another (really their staffs, of course) but it’s almost always framed as “we’ve done what we were supposed to do, so now it’s time for you to do what you’re supposed to do”.

    I’ve had military bosses and I’ve had civilian bosses, and have generally preferred the military ones since they’ve had a lot more training on delegating authority properly and taking responsibility for the results.

    Other than Flynn, who is a dangerous nutcase, I’d trust the military appointees to buck the boss and follow the law a lot more than the assortment of hacks Trump has got lined up on the civilian side. At this point we’re deciding what is going to do the least damage to the Republic until sanity might prevail again. So, um, yeah.

  152. 152.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    December 8, 2016 at 8:53 am

    @Adam L Silverman:

    And, according to the St. Louis Fed, wages in the manufacturing sector have been going up:

    As I said, the jobs of the future require more skills so of course wages go up. Not mention no one wants to work in manufacturing for all the complaining about the job losses since it means un-American stuff like working with your hands.

  153. 153.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    December 8, 2016 at 8:56 am

    @Ericblair:

    Other than Flynn, who is a dangerous nutcase, I’d trust the military appointees to buck the boss and follow the law a lot more than the assortment of hacks Trump has got lined up on the civilian side.

    I agree with this, the Navy Captain I worked for was an awesome boss.

  154. 154.

    Mayur

    December 8, 2016 at 9:34 am

    @SiubhanDuinne: Megyn Kelly helped build this shit and profited from it to the tune of millions plus magazine covers and doubtless substantial perks. She catches blowback from it, its only justice.

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