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Compromise? There is no middle ground between a firefighter and an arsonist.

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GOP baffled that ‘we don’t care if you die’ is not a winning slogan.

A sufficient plurality of insane, greedy people can tank any democratic system ever devised, apparently.

SCOTUS: It’s not “bribery” unless it comes from the Bribery region of France. Otherwise, it’s merely “sparkling malfeasance”.

America is going up in flames. The NYTimes fawns over MAGA celebrities. No longer a real newspaper.

Republicans firmly believe having an abortion is a very personal, very private decision between a woman and J.D. Vance.

Cancel the cowardly Times and Post and set up an equivalent monthly donation to ProPublica.

Technically true, but collectively nonsense

Give the craziest people you know everything they want and hope they don’t ask for more? Great plan.

Republicans: “Abortion is murder but you can take a bus to get one.” Easy peasy.

Russian mouthpiece, go fuck yourself.

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🎶 Those boots were made for mockin’ 🎵

Incompetence, fear, or corruption? why not all three?

Hey Washington Post, “Democracy Dies in Darkness” was supposed to be a warning, not a mission statement.

I would try pessimism, but it probably wouldn’t work.

Everything is totally normal and fine!!!

The party of Reagan has become the party of Putin.

Since we are repeating ourselves, let me just say fuck that.

President Musk and Trump are both poorly raised, coddled 8 year old boys.

If a good thing happens for a bad reason, it’s still a good thing.

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  2. 2.

    khead

    The older I get the more I realize that Rudolph should have held out on Santa until he got Floyd Mayweather money. At the very least. Maybe for a few wishes or something. I hope Rudolph at least got Santa to sign him to a multiyear contract on the sleigh team.

    Also, I used to watch Convoy on HBO back when HBO was a test pattern until 3PM. The young whippersnappers here at BJ can feel free to look up “test pattern”.

  3. 3.

    Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.)

    Still waiting for my mother to go. It sounds grisly, like we’re cheering for her to die, but it isn’t like that. We just want it to be over for her. She’s struggling, and we (my sister and I) don’t want to see her go through that. Her mind is long gone, but she still seems to be feeling pain or something sometimes. This is rough. I’ve never been through anything like this. It looks like it’ll all be over within a day or two, but that’s a mighty long time for somebody to struggle to breathe and be on morphine and all kinds of other shit.

  7. 7.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Baud: That’s coming and no one seems to be planning for the employment dislocation that it will cause within the next five to ten years.

  11. 11.

    mai naem mobile

    @khead: when I was a kid in the mid 70s the music they played during the test pattern was Procol Harum’s Whiter Shade of Pale. I had no idea who Provo Harum was or what the song was, I just knew it as the test pattern music.

  12. 12.

    bluehill

    More speculation on Russian hacking of RNC.

    Nevertheless, Kalugin allowed that if the FSB and GRU were responsible and Putin was now sitting on crucial information about various GOP officials, it would be reckless and dangerous to try and blackmail the White House directly. High-level officials, such as cabinet secretaries, have rarely been cultivated as spies or informants of Moscow, owing to what Kalugin characterizes as “potential repercussions.”

    Middle and lower-cadre officials in the State Department or military-industrial complex are deemed easier and better marks for the spooks.

    In this hypothetical, a heretofore semi-anonymous RNC staffer who may have written something professionally or personally damaging to himself is likelier to find himself approached by a Russian operative and offered a chance to switch sides than a member of the National Security Council.

    “Just one man can destroy everything,” Kalugin said. “He doesn’t have to be the president.”

  26. 26.

    jacy

    Did my bit for democracy, or what’s left of it, and voted for Foster Campbell and Sharon Weston Broome (mayor of BR). Rearranged my living room and put up the Christmas tree. Picked up two six-packs of variety seasonal craft beers and going to head over to The Boyfriend’s house, where we are not going to talk about politics, but instead are going to watch racing movies and drink until we get tired of drinking. Yahtzee!

  31. 31.

    Miss Bianca

    “Convoy”, Adam? Geez, how old were *you* when this came out? A bitty wee thing, I imagine. I was 11 or 12, and I still remember *way* more of this than I should!

  34. 34.

    bluehill

    @jacy: Interesting times. I’m freaking out about the future of U.S. democracy while online shopping for X-mas gifts. I guess you can only do what you can do until the time and circumstance says otherwise.

  35. 35.

    khead

    @Adam L Silverman:

    So, it’s kind of amazing that I even had cable in McDowell Co, WV in the early 80’s. I mean, that sort of thing was reserved for city folks. Even more amazing…..

    I only had cable because a nice guy with some vision – a friend of my Dad even! – had the idea to put a satellite dish on top of the mountains surrounding my hometown and then pipe the signal to other folks. That same nice guy offered my Dad the chance to invest in that satellite dish. My Dad, of course, thought the nice satellite dish guy was nuts and now I am NOT RICH because of that decision.

  38. 38.

    SiubhanDuinne

    As always on MET Opera Live in HD days, I was doing my Ambassador duties today and enjoying the extraordinary performance of “L’Amour de Loin” by the Finnish composer Kaija Saariaho. I know there are a few other Juicers who attend the HD transmissions — did anyone else see it?

    The opera is highly regarded and this production (by Robert LePage) has been garnering terrific reviews. The “distant lovers” were performed by two of my top favorite singers, Susanna Phillips and Eric Owens. This was a memorable afternoon. The music was haunting, mesmerizing. The production was designed by Robert LePage, and it was really cool. Rows and rows and rows of LED lights which twinkled and shifted to represent the vast Mediterranean Sea. About time, too, for the MET to have an opera composed by a woman (last time was 1903, and then it was on a double bill with a male-composed opera) and conducted by a woman (only the fourth or fifth in MET history). But this is not a matter of “Good opera, for a woman.” It was Good Opera, PERIOD.

  40. 40.

    jacy

    @Baud:

    I’m looking at the WBRZ page — they’ve got about a third of precincts reporting. Campbell 37% to Kennedy’s 63%. Neck and neck for mayor — which will all come down to turnout. Baton Rouge is a majority black city, and is a pool of blue in a sea of red, so I’m hoping we end up with the black Democratic woman for mayor as opposed to the old white asshole.

  42. 42.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    @Adam L Silverman:

    within the next five to ten years.

    I think it’ll take longer than that. The tech will be there, getting the public used to the idea will take longer.

  44. 44.

    Laura on Kaua'i

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.): We are also going through the same situation with our mother right now. She is on the mainland, and my siblings are there with her. I have children arriving home from college tomorrow and later this week, so am staying home to help them. Three of our children were adopted, and things like this hit them very hard – they’ve all already lost someone close to them once in their lives, so they are processing their grandmother’s death differently than their cousins are (which my siblings and their children refuse to acknowledge). I saw Mom a little over three months ago, and we were able to say everything we needed to each other before saying good-bye.

    All good thoughts and wishes for you and yours.

  45. 45.

    Inmourning

    Smedley, is hospice there? They are about palliative care, and are very helpful. If they are there, then you are doing all you can do. Just mark her passing, and respect the process.

  47. 47.

    Another Scott

    @jacy: Thank you. It’s important to put up a fight even when it seems the battle is lost.

    Enjoy your evening!

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  51. 51.

    ruemara

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.): My deepest condolences.

    My question is related to the below thread. Explicitly, are there conditions laid out for a candidate & a party accepting foreign aid in an election and can a PEOTUS be impeached? Do we even have a procedure for overturning an election? It really feels as if you can cheat, win and the basic legal aspect is, well, you did reach the vote threshold so I guess we just have to give you the keys to the country.

  55. 55.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.):

    I hope this doesn’t sound too “woo,” but if it seems right for you to do so, let your mother know that it’s okay for her to move on. There is some compelling anecdotal evidence that dying people are often reluctant to pass because they don’t want to upset their loved ones. Let her know that you’re there for her and you love her and you support her whatever she chooses about the timing.

    It is a sad time but can also be a powerful and very beautiful time. I’ve been privileged to be at the bedside of several deaths. Much love to you and to your mother and all who love her. I wish her a peaceful and painless transition, and I wish you happiness in your memories of her.

  56. 56.

    Adam L Silverman

    @khead: Remind me to one day regale you with how my grandfather, who was in the meat business (and had been in the cattle side before that), ignored my Dad’s suggestions and did not attempt to get the McDonald’s franchise license for Denver back in the mid 60s. Because “who was going to pay a nickel for a hamburger if they had to get out of their car, walk up to a window, and then go on about their way…”

  64. 64.

    Another Scott

    The kids in “Mary Poppins” just caused a bank run. It’s kinda interesting how subversive the film is. (Earlier the wife was talking about taking rotten eggs downtown to throw at the Prime Minister.)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  65. 65.

    J R in WV

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.):

    I was there with my grand-dad. He had a stroke, got good treatment, great care, lived for years, but there was no one home. He was physically strong, but was personally gone from the get go.

    Finally (years later, actually!) they closed the older hospital he had been in and moved him to the brand spanking new one, and he got pneumonia. Family instructed no treatment. Hard, though.

    Best wishes for you and yours. Take care of yourself.

  66. 66.

    Jeffro

    Listening to a mix of Kathleen Edwards’ albums here tonight while catching up on the news and a bit of online shopping. Her album “Voyageur” is just outstanding but the earlier stuff is great too – Good Things from “Back To Me” on right now.

  70. 70.

    Jeffro

    PS I had to set a phone alarm…don’t want to get too into music and shopping that I miss SNL’s open tonight. What do y’all think, will it have Russian subtitles?

  73. 73.

    Adam L Silverman

    @BillinGlendaleCA: That’s a possibility. I think it could break either way. Either quick implementation with huge dislocation shock all at once or prolonged roll out with small, continuous dislocation shocks along the way.

  75. 75.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Laura on Kaua’i:

    I’m so sorry. Everything I said to Smedley I say to you. I’ve been there and it is tough.

    To bring two disparate threads together, C. W. McCall’s “Convoy” was at its height of popularity in October 1975 when my mother died. I cannot separate those two phenomena. (Also too, that brand new weekend program Saturday Night Live.)

  76. 76.

    tobie

    The Washington Post has an interesting article up about the differences between what the FBI and the CIA had to say to Senators last week. Evidently the FBI was willing to admit that Russia meddled in the election but unwilling to say it did so with the aim of helping Trump win–a connection the CIA didn’t hesitate to make. According to the article this may have something to do with the culture of the FBI as a law enforcement agency, which generally thinks about what it can prove in a court of law. Given everything that’s transpired in the last two months, I take that interpretation with a grain of salt.

    It does look like some of the intelligence will be made public before Obama leaves office:

    The president wants the report to be completed before he leaves office next month. Officials said Obama intends to declassify as much of the report as possible. Lawmakers, in turn, want the review to be accompanied by a joint congressional investigation.

  78. 78.

    Pogonip

    @Adam L Silverman: If Grandpa coykd see drive-thru everything today!

    I have a question from a previous topic. Suppose all the Russian-hack stuff was reported honestly–But how do we know it, or anything else, isn’t planted? In Future Crimes, Marc Goodman talks about a rapidly developing problem of people who know reality only as ” something I see on a screen”

  81. 81.

    JPL

    @raven: That’s what I’m watching, although I occasionally switch to GPB to see how the local team is doing in the playoff. Finch is just glad that we don’t hear them anymore.

  82. 82.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I didn’t see it last week, but I’ve seen that production probably half a dozen times at least. They seem to do it as a Christmas-season extra every year, so you’ll have another chance in 2017.

    Assuming there is a 2017.

  84. 84.

    InternetDragons

    Patti Smith sang “A Hard Rain’s a-Gonna Fall” on behalf of Bob Dylan at the Nobel ceremony today.

    It was a perfect, spare, and Dylanesque arrangement for a song that seems very fitting for our current reality. She was a little overwhelmed and asked if she could re-do the second part, but somehow that felt just fine to me regardless.

    I probably screwed up trying to embed this, so if someone can help I’d be grateful.

    EDIT: Yeah. Total fail. My apologies. Hopefully someone can embed it. It’s worth watching.

  88. 88.

    trollhattan

    Listening to the new (to me) Sarah Jarosz record and recalling what a wonderful tonic good music is. Rained like a demon today which, given our last five years in Calif is a welcome thing but to be honest, I’m trending towards being sick of it. And speaking of water, officially wish Boxer were still in office and DiFi had retired. She totally capitulated with the Republicans on a shitty, shitty water deal for Central Valley farmers. Grrrrr, retire already.

  89. 89.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Jeffro: I’m gonna make a note to play Voyageur later. I like Kathleen Edwards a lot. Between podcasts and a (IMHO) general decline in radio playlists, and I guess aging, my exposure to new music has rapidly diminished in the last couple years.

  90. 90.

    Adam L Silverman

    @tobie: From the reporting I’ve seen the CIA, or more likely ODNI, was not sharing the counterintelligence with the FBI because its a law enforcement organization, not an intelligence agency, and it leaks like a sieve.

  96. 96.

    FlipYrWhig

    @tobie: The FBI only wants to go as far as what is provable in a court of law? I think the ionosphere just heard Hillary Clinton bellowing with laughter.

  97. 97.

    mike in dc

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Amazon is testing supermarkets where amazon members can walk in, grab what they want, and then a scanner bills their amazon account on their departure. No cashiers needed. People warn that half our jobs will be taken by robots in 30 years. The number of politicians seriously discussing this asymptotically approaches zero.

  98. 98.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Pogonip: To the end of his life, if we went into a restaurant and a hamburger cost more than $2, he’d want to leave…

    I’m not sure I understand your question.

  99. 99.

    Jeffro

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Now’s the best time to catch up…everyone and their uncle has a “best albums of 2016” list up. I have some lookin’-into to do, myself!

    Back to Me from the album “Back to Me” raunchier than I remember…some of the fairer sex really do have our number…

  112. 112.

    Gin & Tonic

    Since the thread started with music, here’s a musical interlude. Some of you may be familiar with “The Carol of the Bells,” which is based on a song (not technically a carol) called “Shchedryk” by the Ukrainian composer Leontovych. Here’s a different and more modern arrangement by two dudes from Kyiv. It’s a Facebook video, but you don’t actually need a Facebook account to view it, I don’t think.

    Anyway, the “carol” is, as I said, called “Shchedryk”, coming from the religious “schedry vechir”, or Epiphany Eve, which is 13 days after Christmas Eve. So it may be a Christmas season song, but it’s not a Christmas carol.

  113. 113.

    InternetDragons

    Joe “grab your muskets if Hillary wins” Walsh has been blocked on Twitter by Trump because Walsh has been calling him out on the Russian interference with the election…

  117. 117.

    Lizzy L

    @trollhattan: Totally agree. It was a bad deal. I’m hoping she did it as a trade for something important, possibly having to do with intelligence, since that’s DiFi’s arena: she’s the Vice Chair of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.

  123. 123.

    PJ

    @Gin & Tonic: I don’t know how this fits in, but “štědrý den” in the Czech Republic is Christmas Eve, štědrý being a likely cognate of schedry (in Czech, it means bountiful or generous). Perhaps there was some confusion along the way because a similar word is used to describe two days related to the birth of Christ.

  124. 124.

    Another Scott

    @Adam L Silverman: I think the argument is that highway driving between warehouses is much, much simpler problem than driving from UPS facility to a home for delivery, or navigating city streets, or the like.

    E.g. Ottomotto.

    Cheers,
    Scott.
    (Who figures if robots replace everyone in “mindless jobs”, then there’s going to be a boom in robot repair and install people…)

  127. 127.

    Laura on Kaua'i

    @SiubhanDuinne: The only comfort I take from Mom’s passing is that after she is gone neither I, my husband nor my children ever need to have any further contact with my siblings, their spouses or their children.

  130. 130.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    @Another Scott: But they’re still sharing the road with, ya know, human drivers. You’ve have to build up a layer of trust among the humans, I don’t see that as an instant sell.

  132. 132.

    Gin & Tonic

    @PJ: “Shchedry” (in Ukrainian, “щедрий”) also means generous. But Christmas Eve is called “Святий Вечір” or “Sviaty Vechir” – meaning holy eve.

  134. 134.

    Yarrow

    @POTUS must appoint special prosecutor with all resources necessary & access to all intelligence to investigate Russian involvement. Period.— John Weaver (@JWGOP) December 10, 2016

    He’s Kasich’s chief strategist.

  135. 135.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Gin & Tonic: Wouldn’t 13 days after Christmas in the West, still be a week or two before Christmas in the East? So it would make sense for Ukrainians time wise.

  136. 136.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Yarrow: And IIRC one of the McCain’s sidekicks from the 2000 McCain run

    this guy is from McCain’s ’08 run

    Mark Salter ‏@ MarkSalter55 Dec 9
    Tillerson would sell out NATO for Sakhalin oil and his pal, Vlad. Should be a rough confirmation hearing, and a no vote on the Senate floor.

    You know who stop Tillerson with one speech…?

  139. 139.

    Another Scott

    @BillinGlendaleCA: I don’t think that will be much of a problem, myself. People will get used to it pretty quickly. Presumably automated trucks won’t speed, they won’t jump lights, they won’t tailgate, they won’t turn without signaling, they won’t be driven by drivers trying to work on 4 hours of sleep, etc., etc.

    But, agreed, it needs to be nearly bullet-proof, considering things like glare, white vehicles, etc., etc.. :-(

    Of course, when Donnie destroys the economy and eliminates pesky rules like minimum wages, then plenty of cheap workers will be available and the days of automatic vehicles will be pushed off a bit more… :-/

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  140. 140.

    Gin & Tonic

    @Adam L Silverman: No, the difference between the Julian and Gregorian is exactly 13 days now, but that’s unrelated. Epiphany is after Christmas regardless of calendar. So while the Orthodox and the Eastern-rite Catholics celebrate Christmas on January 7, Epiphany is January 19 (I just looked it up). So 12 days, not 13, sorry.

  141. 141.

    Mary G

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.): I don’t think I’ve ever actually told anyone this, but one night about three weeks into my mom’s home hospice care, I told her to die already. It was supposed to take a week, and somebody stayed with us for the first two weeks, and there was plenty of visiting and help during the days, but by this point that was tapering off and I was alone at night in between caregiver visits at 1 a.m. and 6 a.m. I was so tired. I had been telling her it was OK to let go and all that, but that night I just snapped at her. I felt so bad, but then I had a dream that she told me it was OK.

    I don’t know if it’s true, but the hospice nurse told me when she started moaning that she was not in pain, but that it was just caused by some mechanical thing that happens in the lungs that comes with them shutting down.

    Anyway, I know it’s hard for you, even though she isn’t really in there anymore.

  143. 143.

    Elizabelle

    In HoosierLand, watching the snow come down. It’s enchanting.

    Had a good surprise visit with my aunt. Dementia; her short term memory is not good, but she remembered me and we had a nice hour or two. Gonna visit her again, snow permitting tomorrow, or Monday for sure.

    FWIW, tomorrow is Indiana’s bicentennial.

  145. 145.

    Mnemosyne

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.):
    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Siubhan said exactly what I was going to say — even if your mom is unconscious, even if you think she’s too far into dementia to understand, you and your sister should both tell her that you love her and it’s okay for her to go. And then, if you can, you should have a nurse or other non-family member watch her and both leave the room. I’ve heard of it working more often than not, weird as it sounds, including with my dad and my father-in-law.

  146. 146.

    InternetDragons

    FYI for anyone interested: If you happen to have Amazon Prime, you can get a free six-month subscription to the Washington Post. After the free six months, your monthly subscription will just be $3.99.

    A lot of you probably already knew about this, but it was a happy and timely discovery for me, as after the election I had decided to support a couple of newspapers (I had given up on mainstream papers a few years ago). I also subscribed to the Guardian thanks to recommendations here – and have been really pleased with it.

    Anyway, I wanted to pass along the info about the Amazon Prime opportunity with WaPo just in case it is helpful for someone.

  147. 147.

    Gin & Tonic

    @Adam L Silverman: Regardless of the date, in most Easter-rite and Orthodox countries it makes the ritual commemoration of Jesus’ baptism by immersing yourself in water a fairly uncomfortable event.

  154. 154.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @InternetDragons:

    Thanks for the AP heads-up. I’ve subscribed to WaPo for several months and have been thinking hard about supporting the Guardian as well. If I can do it through Amazon Prime, all the better.

  163. 163.

    Millard Filmore

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    (Also too, that brand new weekend program Saturday Night Live.)

    A trivia question for you. Who was the first host of Saturday Night Live? (Its a trick question)

    A: Howard Cosell. He was its only host. That other program you are thing of was called “Saturday Night”, and they always announced it as “Live From New York, Its Saturday Night”

  164. 164.

    InternetDragons

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Thanks, Adam. I hope that’s the case. Not that I want anyone to have to be heavily medicated because of an injury – but that reply blindsided me. I’ve been mostly a lurker here for a long time. But since the election I am trying to reach out as much as I can to folks of like mind. I know there are spats here, but bottom line is that this is a really good group of people, and I love hanging out here.

    I still feel sort of tentative, though I have always looked to BJ as one of the places I can rely on when I want a sanity check and a little dark humor. So the thought of being categorized as a troll has me a little freaked out =P. I think I’ll just slink away and read for awhile and hope everything sorts itself out.

  167. 167.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Millard Filmore:

    Did not know that about Howatd Cosell. I’m pretty sure the first SNL I ever saw was October 25, 1975, probably only the second or third show ever. My mother died the next morning. Needless to say, I remember very few details.

  168. 168.

    Adam L Silverman

    @InternetDragons: I wouldn’t worry too much. I didn’t think the post was out of line and I’m probably the only person on here right now with the ability to do something if it was, so you’re good.

    O2 can be abrupt at times – as can I and a number of others. In this case he either clicked on the wrong reply button or confused you with someone else.

  170. 170.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @InternetDragons:

    I like and admire Omnes and consider him a friend, but his response to you was really out of left field.

    I hope it really was the meds talking, and I hope OO can be as forgiving of some other commenters as you are willing to be of him.

    We have some major shit going on in this country. We don’t need to be all slagging on each other on a blog.

  173. 173.

    Jacel

    Time to point out that “Convoy” being a hit enabled the songwriter to afford to create the Mannheim Steamroller / Fresh Aire recordings.

  177. 177.

    divF

    The only trucking song that sticks in my memory from the 70’s is C.W. McCall’s “Wolf Creek Pass”, if only for the lyric, “Well, we commenced to truckin’ and them hens commenced to cluckin’ “.

  181. 181.

    Adam L Silverman

    @EZSmirkzz: Thanks, I’ve seen a lot of her tweets on this. And no apologies necessary, just can never figure out what sets WP off.

  185. 185.

    J R in WV

    @khead:

    I think cable TV was invented in WV, really. Had a neighbor who wired little coal camps for cable, his kids helped maintain things. they were moving from doing well to being well off, had another big white van, then the kids started to go to college.

    They had 3 or 4 of their own, then adopted 3 or 4 more, we could never tell which were which. Great people, obvs.

    Now we live 20 minutes past WalMart into the country, and Suddenlink won’t run a cable in here, too expensive for just 30 or 40 people. So FU hjllbillies. We’re connected to the internet via ethernet to neighbors on the hill, where the dishes can see the sats.

  186. 186.

    Ryan

    I guess it’s all okay if you’re white. I’ve never seen Convoy, but will make it a point to do so. Of course, we’ll assume, because the protagonist is white, that the sheriff was abusive or something.

  188. 188.

    EZSmirkzz

    @Adam L Silverman: Good morning Adam.

    It’s been my experience that with no effort whatsoever I tend to chap peoples asses. With a little effort I can piss them off. If I try I can enrage them and hope they storm out of the room and bang their heads on the door jamb. (All said with tongue in cheek for the culturally challenged.)

    So how’s your ass anyway?

  190. 190.

    StringOnAStick

    @divF: Having driven Wolf Creek Pass many times, that thing is steep and with some snow on it, terrifying. Lots of long, long drops if you leave the road.

  191. 191.

    WVm

    Khead:

    I’m a little late to the thread, but can’t resist.

    That friend of your dad’s was likely John Hendricks from Matewan, who went on to found the Discovery Channel.
    And that is exactly how he described it, except it was an antenna.

    A WV upbringing can lead to amazing things.

  192. 192.

    Wrye

    McCall remade Wolf Creek Pass and I like the new version a lot. I was legitimately shocked to learn it is a real place-surely he’d invented such a terrifying descent.

    I like the new version so much that I had it cued up for when I needed to drive my partner to the hospital to deliver our first born, on the principle that wacky music of some sort would need to be involved.

    And I was right.

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