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You are here: Home / Economics / C.R.E.A.M. / Open Thread: Nobody Wants Uday & Qusay Trump Repping Them

Open Thread: Nobody Wants Uday & Qusay Trump Repping Them

by Anne Laurie|  December 20, 201611:03 pm| 120 Comments

This post is in: C.R.E.A.M., Election 2016, Open Threads, Trump Crime Cartel

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You can go hunting with Trump’s two sons for $1 million the day after the inauguration. Really. https://t.co/9PXvd87SCh

— Randi Weingarten (@rweingarten) December 19, 2016

Maybe Dick Cheney will take them up on it. https://t.co/La8tN0ZOW4

— Al Giordano (@AlGiordano) December 19, 2016

Too late! Matea Gold and David A. Fahrenthold, at the Washington Post:

The initial invitation from Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump dangled a rare opportunity for donors willing to pony up $500,000 and more: a private reception with the new president the day after his inauguration and a hunting or fishing excursion with one of the brothers.

“Opening Day is your opportunity to play a significant role as our family commemorates the inauguration of our father, friend and President Donald J. Trump,” read the draft obtained by TMZ.

But days after the details about the high-dollar Jan. 21 “camouflage & cufflinks”-themed fundraiser first leaked, a spokeswoman for the president-elect said Tuesday that neither he nor his adult sons were involved in plans for the event. And the organizers of the function — who include close friends of the Trump brothers — dialed back offers of access to the new president and his sons.

The confusion over the family’s connection to the fundraiser showed the degree to which Trump has failed to set rules that would protect his family from allegations of influence-peddling or draw clear lines between himself and the interests of his children, who will take over management of his business empire, watchdog groups said…

The initial outlines for the “Opening Day 45” event seemed to take advantage of the still-blurred lines by allowing donors to buy time with the new president while offering little information about what charity would reap the proceeds. The conservation foundation named Tuesday as the event’s beneficiary told The Washington Post that it is still considering whether to participate.

It is also unclear to what degree the details of the high-priced fundraiser — and its aggressive use of the Trump name — was a surprise to the Trump family. While Trump spokeswoman Hope Hicks said the Trump sons were not involved “in any capacity,” organizers of the event said the two brothers took part in discussions about the fundraiser, for which they are still honorary co-chairmen…

Opening Day 45! The crooks behind the Teapot Dome scandals are about to be displaced from their spot at the nadir of American crony capitalism. They didn’t have the chutzpah to send out public invitations: Come loot while the looting’s good, fellas!

Offer to meet @realDonaldTrump for $1M unravels: Trump, sons, charity listed as beneficiary say they're not on board https://t.co/ckcUceeAO5

— David Fahrenthold (@Fahrenthold) December 21, 2016

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  1. 1.

    Trentrunner

    December 20, 2016 at 11:06 pm

    With AG Sessions and crazy GOP House, I wouldn’t count on a single investigation let alone indictment for all the chicanery and double-dealing.

    We have to beat them on core issues. We can weave their corruption into “GOP is making themselves richer on the backs of the middle class and working people,” but corruption alone doesn’t matter to voters if Trump “delivers” jobs.

  2. 2.

    lamh36

    December 20, 2016 at 11:07 pm

    No time for much talk but wanted to say have a good night. It’s been a good day for me …topped off by the following pic that made my night!!!

    Niecy Zoe and Santa!!! Don’t come for her Santa…she ain’t having it?????‬

  3. 3.

    fuckwit

    December 20, 2016 at 11:16 pm

    Fucking hopeless.

    Nobody gives a shit except us political junkies.

    It’s all going down.

  4. 4.

    fuckwit

    December 20, 2016 at 11:17 pm

    The fatal flaw in democracy is that most people are stupid. They’ll vote themselves right into a dictatorship.

    Just happened. Put a fork in it.

  5. 5.

    SiubhanDuinne

    December 20, 2016 at 11:17 pm

    O/T, Anne Laurie, but I hope your Spousal Unit came through his surgery with flying colors, minimal discomfort, and an entirely successful outcome!

  6. 6.

    SiubhanDuinne

    December 20, 2016 at 11:20 pm

    @lamh36:

    That photo is Too Cute for Santa’s Boot! Thanks for the needed pictorial reminder that all is not entirely doomed.

  7. 7.

    Mnemosyne

    December 20, 2016 at 11:27 pm

    Because this election has officially made me petty, I am really enjoying the fact that the Trumpers are being driven crazy by the fact that they’re not getting the respect they deserve. It’s feeling really Fatal Attraction to me right now — they will not be ignored!

  8. 8.

    MomSense

    December 20, 2016 at 11:28 pm

    We need to start now getting the word out that trump refusing the daily intelligence briefing is putting us all in danger.

  9. 9.

    Mnemosyne

    December 20, 2016 at 11:28 pm

    @lamh36:

    Something about that outfit says “karate” to me, and now I’m wondering if Zoe will be spending her Christmas karate-chopping all of the adults at the knee. Because that’s as high as she can reach right now. ?

  10. 10.

    bmoak

    December 20, 2016 at 11:28 pm

    Hillary is worse because she gave speeches!

  11. 11.

    Mike J

    December 20, 2016 at 11:29 pm

    @MomSense: Is it putting us in more danger than him getting it?

  12. 12.

    Yarrow

    December 20, 2016 at 11:29 pm

    @lamh36: Too cute. She is so tiny! Santa’s hand in that glove looks so huge compared to her.

  13. 13.

    MomSense

    December 20, 2016 at 11:30 pm

    Oh and Bill O’Reilly went full white nationalist tonight. David Corn is all over it.

  14. 14.

    MomSense

    December 20, 2016 at 11:30 pm

    @Mike J:

    Well when something happens I’d like everyone to point their ginormous (by comparison) fingers at him.

  15. 15.

    Yarrow

    December 20, 2016 at 11:34 pm

    Have to say that Uday and Qusay are just gross. They look straight out of central casting for “Bad guy. Wall St. or Bankster type. Needs to project an unearned haughty entitlement.” They’d make it most of the way through the movie and then either be gunned down or blown up or arrested in some big sting operation. They’d never make it to the end and they’d never be the heroes.

  16. 16.

    Yarrow

    December 20, 2016 at 11:34 pm

    @Mnemosyne: In your scenario, what is the bunny?

  17. 17.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 20, 2016 at 11:37 pm

    @Yarrow: We are.

  18. 18.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 20, 2016 at 11:37 pm

    @fuckwit: yep. Let’s give up on every democracy in the world and all future ones because of Donald Trump. Great plan.

  19. 19.

    stinger

    December 20, 2016 at 11:39 pm

    @lamh36: Too, too cute! She seems like such a great little person!

  20. 20.

    Mike J

    December 20, 2016 at 11:40 pm

    @MomSense: A week or two ago I was crewing on somebody else’s boat. After the race, we had scotch and popcorn down in the cabin.

    One of the crew, who is moving to Omnes-land, was a vocal Trump supporter. Best part of the day was when he said, “I’m a conservative, but I usually date women who are”- mikej jumps in – “Smarter than you?” I received another scotch and a handshake from the other five on board.

  21. 21.

    Mnemosyne

    December 20, 2016 at 11:40 pm

    Yet another work party tomorrow, though at least this one will be small. We have one person who has a December birthday and he requested breakfast burritos instead of cake, because we’re all sick of sweets at this point. So, early day while I pick those up tomorrow.

  22. 22.

    NMgal

    December 20, 2016 at 11:41 pm

    @MomSense: my Google-fu is apparently weak. Got a link?

  23. 23.

    Mnemosyne

    December 20, 2016 at 11:41 pm

    @Yarrow:

    All of us, Katie.

  24. 24.

    stinger

    December 20, 2016 at 11:43 pm

    @lamh36: P.S. Santa’s kinda cute, too!

  25. 25.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    December 20, 2016 at 11:44 pm

    @bmoak: I heard she had an email server in her basement.

  26. 26.

    Corner Stone

    December 20, 2016 at 11:45 pm

    @Mike J:

    I’m a conservative, but I usually date women who

    “Have really large hands and an obvious adams apple.”
    Not that there’s anything…

  27. 27.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 20, 2016 at 11:47 pm

    @Mike J: Well played, but don’t sent your Trump people here. We have too many already.

  28. 28.

    frosty

    December 20, 2016 at 11:48 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    All of us, Katie.

    FSM help me, but that’s never gonna get old.

  29. 29.

    Corner Stone

    December 20, 2016 at 11:50 pm

    @frosty: You know what else is never going to get old?
    Vampires. That’s what.

  30. 30.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    December 20, 2016 at 11:50 pm

    @Mike J: An example is the Chinese seizure of our drone submersible; if he’d had the PDB, he would have know that the Chinese had already agreed to return it. Since he didn’t he went on Twitter to tell them they should keep it. Misunderstandings like this by consciously not having information can lead to Bad Things.

  31. 31.

    Jeffro

    December 20, 2016 at 11:52 pm

    Total side note but since it’s an open thread: I’m 1/3 of the way through American Amnesia by Jacob S. Hacker and Paul Pierson (the same team that brought us Winner Take All Politics) and it’s outstanding. A bit of a slow start, but then an excellent historical perspective on how things have frayed (1980-present) since the golden age of our ‘mixed economy’, i.e., business and government actually working together and understanding each other’s roles (1941-1979)

    Longer review later this week…so many good points in it that I need to re-read and take notes for future ref/op-eds/etc!

  32. 32.

    NotMax

    December 20, 2016 at 11:55 pm

    @Yarrow

    Even Gordon Gekko would spit on them in disgust.

  33. 33.

    Jeffro

    December 20, 2016 at 11:56 pm

    @MomSense: He really did…I think he said the Left hates the “white establishment” or something? BillO, my man, you didn’t have to let the mask slip before the inauguration like that, did you? Oh me oh my…

  34. 34.

    Yarrow

    December 20, 2016 at 11:57 pm

    @NotMax: Definitely. Gordon Gekko actually worked. Uday and Qusay just live off Daddy.

  35. 35.

    NotMax

    December 20, 2016 at 11:58 pm

    @Jeffro

    Unrelated other than similarity in title but Gore Vidal’s United States of Amnesia remains worth a viewing. Available on Netflix.

  36. 36.

    Jeffro

    December 21, 2016 at 12:00 am

    @NMgal: You can find it here and other places

    Oddly enough, it’s not the first time BillO has used “white establishment” where others would typically use “establishment”. Slip, slip, slippity slip…

  37. 37.

    Jeffro

    December 21, 2016 at 12:03 am

    @NotMax: Happy to check it out, thanks!

    Hacker & Pierson’s choice of subtitles needs work…I think “AA”s is something like “How the War On Government Made Us Forget That Which Made Us Truly Prosperous” or something like that. “We’ve Forgotten What Made Us Great” or “We Didn’t Used to Fight Over Everything Little Thing” might have sufficed.

  38. 38.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 21, 2016 at 12:03 am

    @Jeffro: a slip? It’s typed out on his graphic. If that’s a slip they have a major QA problem.

  39. 39.

    cckids

    December 21, 2016 at 12:04 am

    @lamh36: She is just ridiculously cute! Always makes my day (or night), seeing your nieces. They’ve just got such bright eyes & attitudes. Thanks for the cheer :)

  40. 40.

    Darkrose

    December 21, 2016 at 12:07 am

    @lamh36: Zoe’s awesome.

  41. 41.

    EBT

    December 21, 2016 at 12:08 am

    @Corner Stone: Enjoy your side eye.

  42. 42.

    Lyrebird

    December 21, 2016 at 12:15 am

    @lamh36: Thanks, that is awesome…

    I can’t stop scrolling; what really made my evening, with total respect to the Zoe force, was I Am Moshow the Cat Rapper giving his cat a bath… I don’t have cats but that was hilarious….!

  43. 43.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 21, 2016 at 12:16 am

    @EBT: Side eye for CS isn’t unusual, but why now?

  44. 44.

    Mnemosyne

    December 21, 2016 at 12:17 am

    I don’t know why I’m pleasantly surprised that Leonardo Di Caprio showed up for Alan Thicke’s memorial, but he did.

    One of my cousins-in-law follows a bunch of celebrities on Facebook, so this is how I keep up with that news. No Kardashians, thank god — she has better taste than that.

  45. 45.

    lamh36

    December 21, 2016 at 12:20 am

    @Lyrebird: lol… that dude was hilarious i laugh even more at the cat who just looked pissed??

  46. 46.

    EBT

    December 21, 2016 at 12:22 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: I have found myself to have grown somewhat more sensitive to haha tranny punch lines from cis people the last month or so.

  47. 47.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 21, 2016 at 12:23 am

    @Mnemosyne: Leonardo Di Caprio. He just annoys me.

  48. 48.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 21, 2016 at 12:26 am

    @EBT: Tracking. Just for the record, I am cis-male and don’t have big hands or a prominent adams apple.

  49. 49.

    Mike J

    December 21, 2016 at 12:27 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: In fact it would make more sense to send yours here. If Washington, Oregon, and California each absorbed 10,000 midwestern wingnuts apiece (no threat in those numbers to our internal stability), we could fix the way the entire country is run.

  50. 50.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 21, 2016 at 12:29 am

    @efgoldman: Because of my relationships, I tend to be more conscious of anti-semitism than most WASPs. Is there stuff I am missing?

  51. 51.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 21, 2016 at 12:31 am

    @Mike J: I find your ideas intriguing and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

  52. 52.

    Lizzy L

    December 21, 2016 at 12:33 am

    @Mike J: Okay, I guess, as long as they don’t move into MY neighborhood. It would definitely lower the property values.

  53. 53.

    Lyrebird

    December 21, 2016 at 12:33 am

    @lamh36: That cat has a “resting ghoul face” I’d say — and yes, hilarious! I wasn’t sure what to think at first, but then I saw it only used claws when trying to climb on the dude’s hat (not on him), so kitteh must have been somewhat amused.

    Hope you have lovely and lively and good holidays, you & all the nieces (& nephews if you’ve got ’em) too!

  54. 54.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 21, 2016 at 12:38 am

    @Lizzy L: Help me out, would you? I live in a formerly progressive state (we invented unemployment insurance and workers’ comp.) that has acquired prion disease.

  55. 55.

    Lizzy L

    December 21, 2016 at 12:40 am

    Barbara Kingsolver in The Guardian; what to do now:
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/23/trump-changed-everything-now-everything-counts

  56. 56.

    Lyrebird

    December 21, 2016 at 12:43 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: I think he meant the opposite, i dunno.

    FWIW a few of years ago I felt less comfortable reading/commenting here… I think maybe our Blog Host didn’t grow up around a lot of Jewish people, and though I never felt as uncomfortable as I eventually did at FireDogLake, it seemed like Sheldon Adelson & psycho crooks like whoever tRump just suggested as Ambassador to Isr. were the main examples of people like me. I was impressed that he brought Tom on as a front-pager.

    And now we have a recipe for Sufganiyot!

    I do wish we heard more from Amir K lately,
    speaking of ethn/religious diversity.

  57. 57.

    Mike J

    December 21, 2016 at 12:48 am

    @Lyrebird:

    And now we have a recipe for Sufganiyot!

    Seattle Magazine asked the Police Department about the best donuts for Chaka Khan,

  58. 58.

    Mnemosyne

    December 21, 2016 at 12:48 am

    @Lyrebird:

    FWIW, I am a shiksa (though with a half-Jewish niece and nephew) and that stuff would get to me, too.

  59. 59.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 21, 2016 at 12:48 am

    @Lyrebird: It is possible that I got efg backwards. I was at work for 13 hours today. The last three giving a presentation with someone else (who let me take the majority of the talkies). A shit day.

  60. 60.

    NMgal

    December 21, 2016 at 12:49 am

    @Jeffro: Much grass!

  61. 61.

    Emerald

    December 21, 2016 at 12:50 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    He indeed is annoying, but he’s really good about things like elephant conservation. I like that in a celebrity.

  62. 62.

    Larkspur

    December 21, 2016 at 12:50 am

    It’s nearly Xmas, and one of my slightly warped traditions (like watching Aliens on Xmas Eve) is to re-read one of my favorite books by Connie Willis: “The Doomsday Book”. It’s an SF/fantasy/time travel novel in which, in the near future, an historian, Kivrin, embarks on a low-risk expedition to the Middle Ages (England), but the coordinates are slightly wrong and she ends up smack-dab in the middle of a plague outbreak. In the village in which she takes refuge, she encounters people – scared, brave, irreplaceable people – who face a horrible plague death, and she can do nothing to save them.

    One of the chapter headings is an actual quote from Agniola Di Tura (Siena, 1347):

    Buried with my own hands five of my children in a single grave…No bells. No tears. This is the end of the world.

    And it was…but it wasn’t, because here we are.

    I feel like I want to help in less wealthy California counties, getting people dental care, protecting them from old and new human predators, trying to help people get as strong and resilient as possible so that California – which of course has its share of vulnerable, under-represented people, some of whom would surely dislike or distrust me for my relative status – can be able to take care of itself and partner with other states and communities to help out as much as possible. I mean, it may feel like and look like the end of the world, but it’s really not. But it’s going to be difficult and very messy. So I’d like us to head into it as strong and connected as possible. That means I have to get in there and work. I think health care and wellness needs to be my focus; I don’t think I can handle party politics.

    If this isn’t thread-killing stuff, I don’t know what is.

  63. 63.

    Lizzy L

    December 21, 2016 at 12:52 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: I feel ya. California had its time in the wilderness.

  64. 64.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 21, 2016 at 12:56 am

    @efgoldman: Got it. I was just concerned about inadvertently saying something stupid or offensive. If it is intentionally stupid or offensive, I am fine. You short, cranky fuck.

  65. 65.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 21, 2016 at 12:58 am

    @Lizzy L: Kudos for admitting that. Many Californians have been insufferable. But I do remember Prop. 13 and such.

  66. 66.

    Lyrebird

    December 21, 2016 at 1:02 am

    @Larkspur: Hey I usually just end up commenting on already-stale threads, so whaddoiknow about that, other than – Willis’ Doomsday Book is on the nomination list for Best Effing Book Evarrrr.

    Back to our reality, though… I wonder if Richard or another FPer would make an “Action Planning” post on a specific day, like Sunday Morning Garden Chat, so people who can’t follow the blog all the time would know when to check in.

  67. 67.

    Mike J

    December 21, 2016 at 1:04 am

    @Larkspur: Now loaded on my phone.

    If you’re time travel fan, have you read Gibson’s latest? I feel like a @GreatDismal’s witness, I recommend this book so much. And yes, James Gleick’s latest is also on my immediate reading list, but while I want to read it, something else always sounds better at the moment.

  68. 68.

    Yarrow

    December 21, 2016 at 1:04 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: I hope the smug Californians are guarding their successes and remaining vigilant against any Republican insurgency. Complacency is dangerous. The Republicans, especially with Trump breaking every norm, rule and probably law, will stop at nothing to take and break everything they can. Just being California isn’t going to save them. I like what Jerry Brown did. All Democrats should take notes. But also all Democratic voters need to remember to stand up too.

  69. 69.

    EBT

    December 21, 2016 at 1:04 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: I never had much of an adam’s apple but my hands are big enough to get me clocked every time Ieave the house, and it’s frustrating to be just a kink or someone’s joke.

  70. 70.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 21, 2016 at 1:04 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Many Californians have been insufferable

    Right now, we’ve earned it. Our turn will come (again), but for now, nya nya nya nya nyaaaa nyaaa ??

    @EBT: Clocked?

    ETA: @Yarrow: at the moment we are guarding our success quite fiercely, and I see that for the near and possibly even medium term future. I imagine the political coming of age of Silicon Valley will be an important factor on the future of California.

  71. 71.

    opiejeanne

    December 21, 2016 at 1:07 am

    @lamh36: Adorable. Santa’s not so bad, either.

  72. 72.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 21, 2016 at 1:08 am

    @Yarrow: I hope that CA holds its ground. I just note that WI was reliable. We aren’t now. I will do what I can.

  73. 73.

    Lyrebird

    December 21, 2016 at 1:09 am

    @Mnemosyne:

    Thanks… I’m really glad I kept peeking back. At this hour, I’m not sure if political-blog-reading is a constructive habit of mine, but y’all inspire me. Even if I don’t have the best snark generation capacities.

    @Omnes Omnibus: See above.

  74. 74.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 21, 2016 at 1:12 am

    @EBT: You are not of the gender your body said? I agree that the joke is poor at best. We are working on it.

  75. 75.

    Yarrow

    December 21, 2016 at 1:12 am

    @Major Major Major Major: Not feeling good about where Silicon Valley will go if the tech leaders who met with Il Douche and his evil spawn are any indication. Profiles in self-interested oligarchy.

  76. 76.

    Lizzy L

    December 21, 2016 at 1:13 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: It’s possible that the insufferable ones are too young to remember, or weren’t here, when Reagan ran the state.

  77. 77.

    Lyrebird

    December 21, 2016 at 1:14 am

    @Mike J: Thanks for the Chaka Khan memory!

    If you haven’t read Book of Kells by RA Macavoy, that’s also well worth a read. Like Doomsday Book, it’s about a… difficult time in history, in other words, it might oughta have “trigger warning” tape wrapped around it. But a great book.

  78. 78.

    Mnemosyne

    December 21, 2016 at 1:14 am

    @efgoldman:

    One of my aunt-in-laws is Jewish and married a nice Catholic boy (G’s uncle) in the early 1970s. Fortunately for her, she immediately loved the whole festival that is Christmas (the lights! the cookies! the music!), which went a long way towards reconciling the rest of the family towards her.

    (Well, except her mother-in-law, but I’m pretty sure the phrase “a piece of work” was invented for her MIL, so everyone else in the family advised her to ignore her MIL the way they all did.)

  79. 79.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 21, 2016 at 1:14 am

    @Yarrow: still don’t see what’s wrong with having a meeting when the f’ing president-elect asks.

  80. 80.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 21, 2016 at 1:16 am

    @Lizzy L: No, some are a couple of years younger than me. But they moved there for college.

    ETA: She is still posting tonight.

  81. 81.

    EBT

    December 21, 2016 at 1:18 am

    @Major Major Major Major: Read as trans.
    @Omnes Omnibus: Yeah 16th was my 10 years on HRT anniversary.

  82. 82.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 21, 2016 at 1:19 am

    @EBT: Edit: cool, I learned a new word!

  83. 83.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 21, 2016 at 1:21 am

    @EBT: WASPy, cis-gendered people miss shit at times. We don’t mean to..

  84. 84.

    EBT

    December 21, 2016 at 1:23 am

    @Major Major Major Major: Well now you have just piqued my curiosity.

  85. 85.

    Lizzy L

    December 21, 2016 at 1:24 am

    Good night, all. The year is turning: happy solstice. Welcome light!

  86. 86.

    Yarrow

    December 21, 2016 at 1:26 am

    @Major Major Major Major: In theory it’s not a problem. However, given that the incoming administration has said a Muslim registry is a good idea and spoken admiringly of the Japanese internment camps as a model for what to do with those pesky Muslims, I think showing a little spine in at least pushing back on those ideas might have been a good idea. Instead there were no comments from them and photos from the Trump camp. That benefits him and makes them look they’re being used. If they’re getting something out of it, then they’re not being used; instead, they’re using us.

  87. 87.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 21, 2016 at 1:26 am

    @EBT: that clocked means read as trans…?

    @Yarrow: It was one meeting. With the incoming president of the United States of America. This is ridiculous.

  88. 88.

    EBT

    December 21, 2016 at 1:28 am

    @Major Major Major Major: I had posted when your post only said never mind. I had thought you had asked a question then decided not to or some such and I was curious was all.

  89. 89.

    Mnemosyne

    December 21, 2016 at 1:29 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Look, I’m sorry I called you a cheesehead, okay?

    And we are a little gleeful right now because we finally got the Republicans down to a rump, but we also know we need to continue to be vigilant. If they win too many seats, they can start blocking sensible budgets again thanks to Prop 13-era laws.

  90. 90.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 21, 2016 at 1:31 am

    @EBT: ah. I read “read as trans” in the imperative telling me to read it in a trans context my comment was, yeah I knew the context I still didn’t know what it meant. Then right away I figured out what you meant, so I went to the intermediate edit while I fixed it. Dumb me

  91. 91.

    Mary G

    December 21, 2016 at 1:34 am

    Was out all day, six hours in the chemo lounge, lunch in a restaurant and got my hair did. Kinda shocked that everyone said “Merry Christmas” at every place. I don’t think it was like that before, so even in California the butthurt is having an effect.

  92. 92.

    catbirdman

    December 21, 2016 at 1:36 am

    @Major Major Major Major: The FU money of Silicon Valley is huge. There’s a non-zero chance that, after 4-8 years of stupid Trumpy BS, a group of those players make the type of serious move that eventually gets our asses out of the Union. Because making moves is what they do, and they’re not reading it from the “Art of the Deal” handbook. Washorefornia would be such a kick-ass nation!

  93. 93.

    Yarrow

    December 21, 2016 at 1:38 am

    @Major Major Major Major: There’s no requirement to meet with the incoming or current President of the United States even if they ask for a meeting. The president is not a monarch or dictator where you have no choice. Yet.

    The purpose of the meeting seems to be for Trump to show how powerful he is and to have a photo op. The tech leaders were used, as far as I can tell. Why did they say nothing about the meeting, even if just platitudes? “We had a good discussion about various issues affecting our industry and look forward to a bright future where we continue to lead.” Blah, blah, blah. It’ not like they don’t know how to do PR. Instead, nothing.. Hell, even Kanye figured out how to say something. Where were our brave tech titans?

  94. 94.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 21, 2016 at 1:46 am

    @Yarrow: of course there’s no requirement.

    Jeez, they had a meeting. Let’s save the tumbrels for when they actually do something bad.

  95. 95.

    Manyakitty

    December 21, 2016 at 2:08 am

    @lamh36: That face! What a splendid little girl!

  96. 96.

    Ruckus

    December 21, 2016 at 2:13 am

    @Mary G:
    Only had one Merry Xmas so far, am tempted to ask what’s so fucking merry about it. But as long as it seems to be a standard greeting I probably won’t. But if they are wearing a shit gibbon t-shirt, all bets are off.

  97. 97.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    December 21, 2016 at 2:31 am

    @efgoldman:

    Mostly fiscally conservative, pro-business, slightly anti-union, but socially right along with the Democrats.

    Nope, they’ve gone in the other direction; they cray-cray.

  98. 98.

    opiejeanne

    December 21, 2016 at 2:32 am

    Looks like we may get a little snow at our Washington house on Christmas Eve. That would be nice.

  99. 99.

    opiejeanne

    December 21, 2016 at 2:38 am

    @catbirdman: Too many of the princes of Silicon Valley lean libertarian, and even if they were all liberals, they don’t have that much leverage.
    I don’t want California and the other west coast states to leave the Union for various reasons, but I do want Washington and Oregon to band together with California and resist Trump. Washington is making noises along those lines, Seattle declared itself a Sanctuary City for one thing, but I don’t know about Oregon.
    Also, the guy pushing for Calexit is in Russia. Makes me suspicious of his motives.

  100. 100.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    December 21, 2016 at 2:59 am

    @opiejeanne: The mountains here may have a white Christmas as well.

  101. 101.

    opiejeanne

    December 21, 2016 at 3:08 am

    @BillinGlendaleCA: I saw that. We got out of town this morning to avoid some weather on the way home, which now looks like it will be sunny most of the way home. We’re in Redding for the night, and I was surprised there was no rain. Everything looks greener than I remember ever seeing it along I-5, and there was quite a bit of green in the foothills and passes.

  102. 102.

    opiejeanne

    December 21, 2016 at 3:16 am

    @BillinGlendaleCA: 1 – 3 inches at the cabin on Christmas Eve. The porch and steps still have ice and snow even though it’s been a little warmer.
    I see evidence that we are acclimatizing to the PNW in our walking around outside in 30 degree weather without so much as a sweatshirt. When it hits 50 in WA, if the sun is out we end up in short sleeves or at least without any jacket.
    This was unthinkable 6 years ago.

  103. 103.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    December 21, 2016 at 3:59 am

    @opiejeanne: I was only up there for 3 years, so I never got acclimated, I do remember folk in the dorm suntaning when it got to 70 degrees, I was still cold.

  104. 104.

    Kathleen

    December 21, 2016 at 4:32 am

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Can you please provide a link? I haven’t heard anything about that. //

  105. 105.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    December 21, 2016 at 4:43 am

    @Kathleen: I know, the media failed us by not disclosing that.

  106. 106.

    Kay

    December 21, 2016 at 5:56 am

    Maggie Haberman ‏@maggieNYT 7h7 hours ago
    Regardless of legitimate criticism of Clinton’s use of private server, this warrant appears to have been thin.

    The New York Times grudgingly admits even the despised and loathed Hillary Clinton should get ordinary due process protections. That’s a relief. I was afraid we were in for another round of Lock Her Up.

  107. 107.

    Kay

    December 21, 2016 at 6:03 am

    Who really runs Trump’s business? It isn’t these two- they never work- and Trump says he isn’t running it now.

    Trump could be (is probably) lying about not “doing deals” but who does the day to day work?

  108. 108.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    December 21, 2016 at 8:37 am

    @fuckwit: Oh chill out.

    Let us look at history and the first Democracy – Athens. Themistocles saves Athenes from getting utterly destroyed by the Persians, makes it the greatest power in the Greece and his reward? He gets exiled because the damn smart ass was right and not telling to voters what they wanted to hear. One can see a parallel with Obama.

  109. 109.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    December 21, 2016 at 8:41 am

    @Kay: Wasn’t that a tweet? I recall in tweets NYT journalists have been guilty of practicing their profession before. Will their editors allow such unpossible things as Hilary’s guilt not being a sure thing, that’s another question.

  110. 110.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    December 21, 2016 at 8:43 am

    Oh speaking about the holidays one of my friends is going to visit her Trumptalarte family in Texas for Christmas. I suggested the following line if they tried bringing the subject of Donald the Awesome up.

    “I don’t speak Russian, so what would be the point of talking about it?”

  111. 111.

    liberal

    December 21, 2016 at 8:53 am

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques:

    …the damn smart ass…

    So smart, he appointed Comey, and was titular head of the Democratic Party during a time when local and state party organizations were dying on the vine! GENIUS!

  112. 112.

    liberal

    December 21, 2016 at 8:54 am

    @opiejeanne:

    Too many of the princes of Silicon Valley lean libertarian…

    AFAICT the vast majority of them are total shitstains. Fundie pervert isn’t the only variety around, after all.

  113. 113.

    laura

    December 21, 2016 at 8:56 am

    @Yarrow: cali here, old enough to remember how great our public schools were, and how quickly they slid into sharp decline after Prop 13.
    There is still a metric shit-ton of rednecks, republicans, secessionists (free state of Jefferson and whatnot).
    There’s the well off, the obscenely wealthy, the just getting by and homeless on every corner.
    And there’s going to be suffering under the reign of Cheeto Jesus. But suffering provides space and oportunities for kindness and connection. And in kindness and connection, there’s community. And in community, there’s oportunities for building a better future.
    I believe this to my very core, because the alternative is capitulation. Resistance, non-violent loving artful resistance is my battle plan. If I fail, I’ll have failed trying.

  114. 114.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    December 21, 2016 at 8:57 am

    @Yarrow: Yes Yarrow, I am sure the CEO of Tesla is in league with Big Oil.

    Maybe they wanted to remind Trump who seems to be living in the ’70s in his head that the real money now is in high tech and just trying a trade war would kill the economy.

  115. 115.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    December 21, 2016 at 9:12 am

    @liberal: Doubtless the Athena’s were hissing to Themistolcise as he was walking down to the harbor.

    “Yes, you saved me from being killed, my wife and daughters raped and my sons castrated and enslaved, BUT you raised taxes and let my house get burned down you bastard!”

  116. 116.

    Barbara

    December 21, 2016 at 9:30 am

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: They are probably internalizing the message I got from my mother over the weekend, which was, it’s a time for protecting what you have, in order to be able to oppose what is to come from a better perch. She lives in Western Pennsylvania, and, even at the age of 81, no longer thinks that people like me should spend a lot of time worrying about her generation. If they want to axe their own Medicare, well, you know, what can you do? That is what she told me. I have to believe that Elon Musk and company view Trump with a mixture of fear and contempt: A mediocre intellect with a casual willingness to trash what other people have achieved, because he has been given most of what he has, and has a long history of cheating others when that isn’t enough to win the day. For people who have actually taken risks to achieve something big and new, people like Trump must piss you off at a level I can only imagine.

  117. 117.

    Barbara

    December 21, 2016 at 9:42 am

    @Kay: I don’t know, but it wouldn’t surprise me that, for whatever it amounts to, these two do run the business, and I further suspect that they really do need the money to keep their so-called empire afloat. Selling access to Dad is probably what counts as entrepreneurial imagination in this clan. I don’t think there is anyone behind the scenes pulling strings except maybe lenders, who, as we all now understand, are almost certainly not real banks, which stopped lending to double dealing Donnie a long time ago.

  118. 118.

    Larkspur

    December 21, 2016 at 12:04 pm

    @laura: I’m pretty sure I love you.

  119. 119.

    Ken

    December 21, 2016 at 1:59 pm

    That photo belongs in the dictionary under “punch-able face”. How any of the good heartland Trump voters can look at them and say “those are my people” is a mystery to me.

  120. 120.

    Tehanu

    December 25, 2016 at 11:13 pm

    @Larkspur:

    Doomsday Book is one of my favorites too, and I think — with the possible exception of Wolf Hall — it’s the best historical novel ever, as well as the best time-travel book ever. I love it because it’s both utterly sad and utterly hopeful, and because you start out thinking how awful everything is, and gradually come to love and understand the people. Wonderful book.

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