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Textbook Case

by Betty Cracker|  December 21, 20164:52 pm| 223 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Politics, Republican Stupidity, Assholes, General Stupidity

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Puling, bloated, splotchy, tiny-fingered, Cheeto-dusted baby-man is still lashing out about the campaign, 30 days before he’s to be sworn in as POTUS:

Sweet weeping Jeebus, has there ever been a bigger fucking crybaby in the history of this benighted planet? And he won, for fuck’s sake! Can you imagine the ear-splitting snit if he’d lost? There wouldn’t be a fleck of paint left on a structure across the entire island of Manhattan.

Speaking strictly for myself, Trump’s periodic Twitter meltdowns provide some relief from the galloping sense of horror I feel at this insufferable, whiny-ass prick’s ascension to the highest office in the land, because they demonstrate that he’s not really enjoying his victory or even perceiving it as one.

A narcissist to the core with an ego as brittle as a spun-sugar Eiffel Tower, Trump has to puff himself up 24/7/365 to ward off the unbearable insecurity and feelings of worthlessness that underlie his condition. It’s cold comfort, but the Siberian Candidate is suffering too, and his childish acting out on Twitter indicates his level of distress. Good.

Open thread.

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  1. 1.

    Elizabelle

    December 21, 2016 at 4:54 pm

    He is not going to wear well, and neither will that lying shit-ass, Kellyanne. Any of them, really.

  2. 2.

    Clem

    December 21, 2016 at 4:54 pm

    Prolly send thousands of military to die for his hissy fit and not give it a second thought.

  3. 3.

    bystander

    December 21, 2016 at 4:55 pm

    I loathe him more than I ever knew I could. And the complicity of the repubs in it makes them more despicable than I ever believed they could be.

  4. 4.

    bystander

    December 21, 2016 at 4:57 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    that lying shit-ass, Kellyanne. Any of them, really.

    None of them is worthy of that hyphenation.

  5. 5.

    Served

    December 21, 2016 at 4:57 pm

    Can’t wait for the Trade War with China. Once labor and environmental regulations have been gutted, those Rust Belt workers will get the thrill of being treated just like Chinese workers. It’s what they wanted and what they deserve.

  6. 6.

    NotMax

    December 21, 2016 at 4:58 pm

    Textbook Case

    Presidentin’ For Dummies.

    It’s a niche market.

  7. 7.

    kindness

    December 21, 2016 at 4:59 pm

    Just wait till they tell Trump not only he but his family can’t run grifts like the ones they’ve been cancelling this week.

  8. 8.

    germy

    December 21, 2016 at 5:00 pm

    This is all too bizarre for words.

    We survived Reagan, we survived W.

    I’m not sure what all this bullshit is leading up to. I mean the tweets, the appointments, the media.

    I’m still not entirely convinced this isn’t a bad dream.

  9. 9.

    James E Powell

    December 21, 2016 at 5:00 pm

    There was a Saturday Night Live video to this effect. Will Ferrell played a candidate who won the election, but continued to run attack ads against his former opponent. That was funny, this is not. I still have yet to laugh at any part of this.

  10. 10.

    Elizabelle

    December 21, 2016 at 5:02 pm

    Those tweets are so ungracious. The man has no manners, except when they benefit himself.

    Someone asked if he had any virtues. All that I am aware of is that he does not drink. (He may, of course, drive the rest of us to do more of that.)

    I would originally have said “and he seems to love his kids, and they seem to have turned out well” but the increased exposure to that family of entrepreneurs grifters has disabused me of that notion.

    Inappropriate behavior with the daughters, it seems. No sense of boundaries. Someone has to get Marla Maples talking …

  11. 11.

    NotMax

    December 21, 2016 at 5:03 pm

    Betting pool is open on how long until he tweets something so beyond the pale that Twitter suspends or cancels his account.

  12. 12.

    James E Powell

    December 21, 2016 at 5:04 pm

    @germy:

    You know, I keep reading stuff about how we survived Reagan and Bush and Bush, but the truth is we did not survive those presidents. We, the people, suffered and continue to suffer lasting damage. Just consider the supreme court appointments Gore would have made. Think of a world where the US and its coalition of the depraved didn’t invade & occupy Iraq? I could go on but I’m pretty sure I don’t need to. So please, don’t try to calm or reassure us with a “we survived” message. That’s just fantasy.

  13. 13.

    JPL

    December 21, 2016 at 5:05 pm

    Trump is taking credit for lowering the price of the contract with Boeing. Boeing didn’t have a 4 billion dollar contract to lower, but Trump is taking credit for lowering it. Anyway Fox News will report, it as a fact.

  14. 14.

    Hal

    December 21, 2016 at 5:05 pm

    Trump is an exhausting president elect. Mentally and emotionally exhausting. I can’t imagine four years of this unstable, angry poser. I am simply in absolute awe that we are going from President Obama to Trump. I mentioned Ta-Nehisi Coates quote a couple of days ago, but he is so spot on it bears repeating.

    If I have to jump six feet to get the same thing that you have to jump two feet for that’s how racism works. To be president, Obama had to be scholarly, intelligent, president of the Harvard Law Review, the product of some of our greatest educational institutions, capable of talking to two different worlds. Donald Trump had to be rich and white. That was it. That’s the difference.

  15. 15.

    germy

    December 21, 2016 at 5:07 pm

    @James E Powell:

    You know, I keep reading stuff about how we survived Reagan and Bush and Bush, but the truth is we did not survive those president.

    You’re right. I used the term “survived” too loosely. Reagan did lasting damage in a million ways, and of course so did Bush.

    Right now thing are so weird I just can’t get a grip on it.

  16. 16.

    James E Powell

    December 21, 2016 at 5:08 pm

    @NotMax:

    They’ll never touch him. One stray remark from him can put their stock through the floor. His demonstrations with Boeing and Lockheed Martin were the political equivalent of testing a nuclear weapon. He’s just letting them know what might happen if they cross him.

  17. 17.

    Kay

    December 21, 2016 at 5:08 pm

    It’s what he is- he’s petty and small and ungenerous. It was obvious to anyone watching him since the launch of the racist birther campaign.
    He’s 70 years old. He isn’t going to turn into a better person with more power. He’ll be a more intense version of himself.
    It’s a bad hire. He doesn’t have the requisite temperament or character for this job. Unfortunately there’s no 90 day probationary period.

  18. 18.

    Esme's Mom

    December 21, 2016 at 5:09 pm

    Puling, bloated, splotchy, tiny-fingered, Cheeto-dusted baby-man

    The bumper sticker I’ve been waiting for!

  19. 19.

    germy

    December 21, 2016 at 5:10 pm

    The weird thing is, he didn’t expect to win. He didn’t enter it to win it, and toward the end he didn’t think he’d win.

  20. 20.

    Esme's Mom

    December 21, 2016 at 5:11 pm

    Please to be freed from mod?

  21. 21.

    Feebog

    December 21, 2016 at 5:11 pm

    It is now apparent that these kind of Twitter Rants are going to carry on right through January 20 and into the new administration. And they are going to escalate in terms of tone and content. I dealt with a classic case years ago as a Labor Relations Specialist for the USPS. The guy was a letter carrier. He was also black, so his main legal angle was to file multiple EEO complaints against his Supervisor (who was Hispanic). It finally came to a head when he accused his supervisor of physically assaulting him on the workroom floor. There was about 25 employee in the area at the time, and they all said nothing happened. Like no argument, no faceoff, nothing. The arbitration hearing was pretty strange.

  22. 22.

    Bobby D

    December 21, 2016 at 5:12 pm

    It’s like NPR up in here, learn something new everyday. Today, I learned the word “puling”, thanks Crackah!:

    pule /pyo͞ol/ verb literary
    gerund or present participle: puling
    cry querulously or weakly.
    “she’s no puling infant”

    Apt, fitting.

  23. 23.

    zhena gogolia

    December 21, 2016 at 5:14 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    Putin doesn’t drink either. And Hitler was a vegetarian.

  24. 24.

    Elizabelle

    December 21, 2016 at 5:14 pm

    @Kay: You have hit on the framing too. He is a bad hire. The nightmare hire.

    It makes me ache for Hillary that he’s bitching about a job that he is not qualified for, but had handed to him. I really wonder what she’s doing now, besides hiking and lots of family time. How do you get your head around that? They not only did not hire you, they gave the job to Charles Manson.

  25. 25.

    TriassicSands

    December 21, 2016 at 5:14 pm

    …because they demonstrate that he’s not really enjoying his victory or even perceiving it as one.

    Trump made the mistake of going on record calling the EC “a disaster for a democracy.” By his own standards his “victory” was not legitimate, so, no, he doesn’t see his victory as a real victory, but one that is tainted. Therefore, he has to constantly try to rewrite history and claim he would have won the popular vote if he’d wanted to.

    There is no limit to the amount of damage this cretin can do to the country and the world in the next four years, but what really hurts is that while he’s wrecking things, we’re going to have to listen to his incessant whining.

  26. 26.

    germy

    December 21, 2016 at 5:15 pm

    @zhena gogolia: I would bet that none of them like cats.
    Authoritarians hate cats.

  27. 27.

    NR

    December 21, 2016 at 5:15 pm

    I feel like there isn’t going to be any middle ground between “ranting on Twitter” and “massive military destruction and death” if a foreign power does something Trump doesn’t like. It’ll just be one or the other.

  28. 28.

    NotMax

    December 21, 2016 at 5:15 pm

    @James E. Powell

    Twoast?

  29. 29.

    Elizabelle

    December 21, 2016 at 5:15 pm

    @zhena gogolia: And loved dogs. Is true.

  30. 30.

    MJS

    December 21, 2016 at 5:16 pm

    @germy: You used “survived” correctly. Someone paralyzed in a car accident survived the car accident. We did survive Reagan, Bush, etc. We survived well enough to elect Obama, twice. I think our actual survival of this presidency is in question.

  31. 31.

    Kay

    December 21, 2016 at 5:16 pm

    I know we’re not allowed to mention the different, lower standard Donald Trump is held to- the soft bigotry of low expectations for old rich white men- but IMAGINE the screeching from political media if Obama had launched a campaign tour immediately after the 2008 election where all he talked about was how he had beaten McCain.

    They lowered standards for this guy and we will all regret that. I saw one of his cabinet appointees is hinting he may not release his tax returns. That was predictable. Newt Gingrich is explaining how Trump doesn’t have to divest like every other President did. That was predictable too. Race to the bottom, baby. Always works the same way.

  32. 32.

    germy

    December 21, 2016 at 5:18 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    I really wonder what she’s doing now, besides hiking and lots of family time.

    Here’s an example of how bizarre things are: Remember after the election when the young lady went on a hike and ran into HRC? Took a picture together, and posted it to faceboook. I first saw it mentioned at Esquire. But the link was broken. I remember thinking to myself “I bet the young lady took it down because of threats and harassment.” And sure enough, I was right.

    I think not long after that another young woman encountered HRC on a nature walk. I think she also posted a photo. I would bet she experienced the same threats, and had to remove it.

  33. 33.

    zhena gogolia

    December 21, 2016 at 5:19 pm

    One thing I’ve noticed, and it’s tiny, is that the NYTimes has not put a picture of Cheeto on the front page since about the day after the election.

  34. 34.

    Brachiator

    December 21, 2016 at 5:20 pm

    @NotMax:

    Betting pool is open on how long until he tweets something so beyond the pale that Twitter suspends or cancels his account.

    Actually, Twitter may go out of business before Trump runs out of foolishness.

    The Twitter CTO announced that he is leaving the company yesterday.

    I guess Trump will be showing up on FaceBook if Twitter shuts down.

    @germy:

    Authoritarians hate cats

    It’s because cats don’t like the competition.

  35. 35.

    schrodingers_cat

    December 21, 2016 at 5:21 pm

    @zhena gogolia: They helped elect him but he has not sent him their check.

  36. 36.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 21, 2016 at 5:23 pm

    @Kay:

    Race to the bottom, baby. Always works the same way.

    So what you’re saying is, we could solve healthcare if we could just buy insurance across state lines.

    @Brachiator: I don’t think Twitter’s going anywhere any time soon.

  37. 37.

    Ella in New Mexico

    December 21, 2016 at 5:24 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    He is not going to wear well, and neither will that lying shit-ass, Kellyanne. Any of them, really.

    I am convinced that Trump is not just a NPD sufferer, he’s in the early stages of a kind of dementia that allow him to perform when the demands are merely repeating himself at a rally, but that when he’s alone, he’s incapable of being trusted to say or do anything reasonable, which is why Kelly-Anne is his mouthpiece everywhere in the world right now. Why they let him have his access to Twitter is puzzling, but it might be because it keeps him occupied in the car or something, and she can always delete his craziest stuff anyway. We used to give my Alzheimer’s suffering Grandma a baby doll for the same reason-gave her something to do other than wander around or get in to trouble.

    I really think the sane R’s in DC are secretly suffering the Imp of the Tower right now, up to and until they can find a way to kick him and his entire lying shit-ass team to the curb. Let them suffer. Force them to eat this turd-pie for breakfast, lunch and dinner over the next few months. It’s the price they’ll have to pay until they’re ready to muster up the gumption to further humiliate themselves by getting him out of office.

    In the meantime, the Democrats need be the new Party of No, and just sit back and let this nasty infected abscess fester for a while. Then stand back while it becomes a You-Tube worthy cyst-popping explosion.

  38. 38.

    Mike J

    December 21, 2016 at 5:24 pm

    @Served:

    Rust Belt workers will get the thrill of being treated just like Chinese workers. It’s what they wanted and what they deserve.

    You think any American company would waste money on suicide prevention nets?

  39. 39.

    schrodingers_cat

    December 21, 2016 at 5:26 pm

    Icahn has ruined many good companies because of his activist investing.

  40. 40.

    ? Martin

    December 21, 2016 at 5:31 pm

    @Served:

    Can’t wait for the Trade War with China.

    Yeah, not looking good. Our new National Trade Council head. He is an absolute radical on China trade policy.

  41. 41.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 21, 2016 at 5:33 pm

    The Onion slideshow: Comments Section Arguments We Clearly Won in 2016

  42. 42.

    les

    December 21, 2016 at 5:33 pm

    @NotMax:

    Betting pool is open on how long until he tweets something so beyond the pale that Twitter suspends or cancels his account.

    Thanks; always nice to add some humor to the discussion.

  43. 43.

    chris

    December 21, 2016 at 5:35 pm

    @Ella in New Mexico: “the Democrats need be the new Party of No”

    Yes! Please! This!

  44. 44.

    Brachiator

    December 21, 2016 at 5:35 pm

    @Kay:

    I know we’re not allowed to mention the different, lower standard Donald Trump is held to- the soft bigotry of low expectations for old rich white men- but IMAGINE the screeching from political media if Obama had launched a campaign tour immediately after the 2008 election where all he talked about was how he had beaten McCain.

    Go ahead and mention it. The problem is that the angry mob which comprises Trump supporters don’t know and don’t care about rules or checks and balances.

    They imagine that Trump is one of them. So no rules apply. None at all.

  45. 45.

    SenyorDave

    December 21, 2016 at 5:36 pm

    @bystander: I loathe him more than I ever knew I could. And the complicity of the repubs in it makes them more despicable than I ever believed they could be.

    This. My New Year’s resolution is to stop wishing truly awful things on Trump and his team. But it really would be just deserts for Trump to get dementia and be drooling into his oatmeal. The vision of Uday or Qusay having to wipe daddy down after an accident is pretty priceless. especially since alzheimers research is undoubtedly one of those huge wastes of money that trump will cut drastically.

  46. 46.

    Mnemosyne

    December 21, 2016 at 5:36 pm

    @Served:

    Somebody in the thread below had a story about some Chinese company selling fake rice to a country in Africa (sorry, I’m very short on specifics here). Like, little pellets of plastic that look like rice and cook into a gelatinous mess.

    It may be time to start making my own raw cat food at home. I already lost one cat to poisoned Chinese rice, I don’t want to lose any more.

  47. 47.

    James E Powell

    December 21, 2016 at 5:37 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Agree with you and I am going to keep repeating it till I die – None of this would have been possible without the New York Times’ 20 year witch hunt against Hillary Clinton. No one at the NYT has ever explained the reasons, but it is clear that they really hate her and that they were far more comfortable with Trump as president. I’d say shame on them, but experience shows that they do not have the capacity for shame.

  48. 48.

    schrodingers_cat

    December 21, 2016 at 5:38 pm

    @Brachiator: Not a kitteh fan, I see. The furry dictators reward you with purrs and occasional displays of affection, unlike the human variety.

  49. 49.

    schrodingers_cat

    December 21, 2016 at 5:39 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: * not him, them as is NYT

  50. 50.

    Bobby D

    December 21, 2016 at 5:40 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: Ain’t that the truth. That coffin dodging fker cost me at least 20k over the last two decades by meddling in companies where I owned shares.

  51. 51.

    lamh36

    December 21, 2016 at 5:40 pm

    Open thread…great.

    Hmmm…so I need to submit two letter of recommendation for this great job offer I was selectef for. I submitted a number of references from past employers, but the recommendations I need to submit have to be from people I’ve interacted with in the past year. So that’d be coworkers, current supervisors or whatever.

    To my mind, I’m thinking they are looking for maybe current supervisor recommendations, but honestly, I’m looking for alternatives to the current supes…

    I have a friend who’s a vendor for the hospital, who I have know a long time. Like me, she used to be a Microbiology Med Tech, but she got out the lab about 5 years ago and is now working for a large Biomed Tech company. She volunteered to submit a rec for me in lieu of using my supervisors.

    I also have a former coworker (she went from FT to PRN) who has worked in the Micro lab close to 10 years, and I’ve know her for over 2 years now. I’d like to ask her to submit the other recommendation…

    I’m really trying to avoid asking my current supervisors cause I just don’t think I can trust them to give me a good recommendation.

    Hmmm…

    the problem is that is has to be from folks within this past year.

    I’d like to think the supes would give me a good rec, BUT the uncertainty of WHEN/IF I’d actually get past the HR process (which I’ve learned from experiences would likely take a couple of months), I’m wary of telling them about it, and then 2-3 months down the line…having issues with them the entire time…ya know when I ask for leave, or need time off, or just random pettiness…plus that place leaks like a sieve…and if not outright gossiping…misinformation abounds.

    without an actual date…that makes it much harder to trust that I won’t be hassled by them the ENTIRE time and then the thing job opportunity falling through (it’s a federal position and the lady actually told me in a round about way, that there is a new administration, so there’s an uncertainty there…)

    All this to say…anyone think the two my vendor friend and former coworker would be good?

  52. 52.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    December 21, 2016 at 5:41 pm

    @Elizabelle: It’s been noted that there’s a reason Marla moved to the West Coast with Tiffany.

  53. 53.

    TS

    December 21, 2016 at 5:46 pm

    @James E Powell:

    He’s just letting them know what might happen if they cross him.

    A massive abuse of political power – but a typical action of a dictator. He made the media buckle under and is now treating everything and everyone in the US the same way. It is yet to be seen if other nations will also do his biding – but some indications are pointing in that direction.

  54. 54.

    Elizabelle

    December 21, 2016 at 5:47 pm

    LA Times headline, just now:

    Trump stops the ‘drain the swamp’ talk as new alligators emerge

    They are having fun with this.

  55. 55.

    schrodingers_cat

    December 21, 2016 at 5:48 pm

    @TS: No one wants to take on the United States but other countries have their own self interest to consider. It is not going to be as easy rolling over the MSM and the Republican party.

  56. 56.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    December 21, 2016 at 5:48 pm

    @Ella in New Mexico:

    I really think the sane R’s in DC are secretly suffering the Imp of the Tower right now, up to and until they can find a way to kick him and his entire lying shit-ass team to the curb.

    I disagree, there’s an easy way to kick him to the curb, the 25th Amendment, Section 4.

  57. 57.

    Debbie1

    December 21, 2016 at 5:48 pm

    @Kay: I wouldn’t go so far as to say that Trump’s a “bad hire.” I mean, sure he’s unqualified, ignorant, and totally inexperienced, but at least he’s temperamentally unfit for the job of president.

  58. 58.

    schrodingers_cat

    December 21, 2016 at 5:49 pm

    @Bobby D: He buys and sells ownership stake in companies like small investors do with stocks.

  59. 59.

    schrodingers_cat

    December 21, 2016 at 5:51 pm

    St Sanders paved the way for Billionaires to make actual strategy. Why bother with lobbyists?

  60. 60.

    celticdragonchick

    December 21, 2016 at 5:52 pm

    @Elizabelle: Kellyanne Riefenstahl will one of the first persons against a bullet pocked wall when the country falls apart. Just sayin’…

  61. 61.

    trollhattan

    December 21, 2016 at 5:52 pm

    @Ella in New Mexico:
    You could be right–seems about as with it as St. Ronny, term the second. Sad!

    Also, too, only thing worse than a sore loser is a sore winner–double-sad!

  62. 62.

    germy

    December 21, 2016 at 5:53 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Sanders’ Law

  63. 63.

    germy

    December 21, 2016 at 5:55 pm

    @celticdragonchick: I don’t know. The real Leni lived to 101.

  64. 64.

    NeenerNeener

    December 21, 2016 at 6:01 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA: “Uday, Qusay and Cersei” rolls off the tongue more fluidly than “Uday, Qusay and Lucrezia”. Although Lucrezia was real and Cersei is fictional….

  65. 65.

    Baud

    December 21, 2016 at 6:01 pm

    If it makes Trump unhappy, I think I can manage to find a way to disrespect him.

  66. 66.

    cosima

    December 21, 2016 at 6:02 pm

    Betty Cracker, I hope that you will be pleased to know that sh£tgibbon has made it across the pond… I’ve introduced it to my Scottish friends, masters of snark, and I have a good bit of confidence in their using it liberally…

    We’ve just returned home from an xmas dinner at a close friend’s. Her grandson was there, I’ve known him since he was a tot. Now he’s 16 and toying with calling himself a communist… Naturally he supports socialism (but they aren’t doing it right here in the UK, so he’s throwing the baby out with the bathwater). Anyway, he started on the Hillary is evil, Obama is awful because he didn’t close Guantanamo, etc etc. We ended up talking politics for hours, which I did not want to do at all (for many reasons), but I do think that I moved the needle for him, possibly quite a bit. I’d also, not entirely coincidentally, given him a book for xmas that I hope he’ll read & learn from — we’ll see what sort of conversation we have next time…

    http://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Prisoners-of-Geography/Tim-Marshall/9781501121463

  67. 67.

    celticdragonchick

    December 21, 2016 at 6:03 pm

    @germy:

    She arguably had more self awareness than Riefenstahl 2.0.

  68. 68.

    lamh36

    December 21, 2016 at 6:03 pm

    Ok BJ Cali folk…question for a friend…could someone live in Cali/Bay area making say $95K – $110K?

    If so how?

  69. 69.

    trollhattan

    December 21, 2016 at 6:03 pm

    @NeenerNeener: Uday, Qusay and Lolita!

  70. 70.

    Shell

    December 21, 2016 at 6:05 pm

    I was gonna say, how many tongue-baths does this guy need? But the answer is obvious. Suppose he’ll be going on “Victory/Thank YouTours” for the next four years.

  71. 71.

    trollhattan

    December 21, 2016 at 6:06 pm

    @lamh36:
    East Bay in a tiny studio or sharing living accommodations. Either that or commute from far away, preferably somewhere on the Amtrak line, or perhaps the far reaches of BART. Median house price will make your eyeballs melt and rental vacancy rate is a percent or two.

  72. 72.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 21, 2016 at 6:07 pm

    @lamh36: Easily. Just don’t be picky about exactly where.

    ETA: Oh, yeah, and ideally with housemates. You’re definitely going to be renting.

  73. 73.

    Jeffro

    December 21, 2016 at 6:07 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Isn’t Tiffany the one that had that awkward dodge-Trump’s-embrace video going around back around the convention? Explains a lot.

  74. 74.

    debbie

    December 21, 2016 at 6:07 pm

    Trump needs a good slap in the face.

  75. 75.

    schrodingers_cat

    December 21, 2016 at 6:09 pm

    @Esme’s Mom: Apostrophe is the problem.

  76. 76.

    NotMax

    December 21, 2016 at 6:09 pm

    Freedom’s just another word for nothing left to steal.

  77. 77.

    Jay S

    December 21, 2016 at 6:09 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    I disagree, there’s an easy way to kick him to the curb, the 25th Amendment, Section 4.

    Sorry, that’s the cabinet that has to act, and they might for there own interests, but not to save the DC politicians.

  78. 78.

    Roger Moore

    December 21, 2016 at 6:10 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    I disagree, there’s an easy way to kick him to the curb, the 25th Amendment, Section 4.

    The 25th Amendment is not an easy way to kick him to the curb; impeachment would actually be easier. Impeachment requires only a charge- and the emoluments clause violations would provide a ready one- plus a simple majority of the House and 2/3 of the Senate. Once he was impeached and convicted, he’d be permanently out. In contrast, the 25th Amendment requires the VP and half the cabinet to agree he’s unfit, and then it requires 2/3 of each House of Congress to agree they’re right when he inevitably disputes it. And he would theoretically not be permanently out; he could keep claiming he’s fit for office and his designation as unfit is nothing but a palace coup. I also think an actual impeachment and Senate trial would provide a good PR opportunity to make their case that he deserves to be thrown out, as opposed to the fitness hearing the 25th Amendment would require.

  79. 79.

    lamh36

    December 21, 2016 at 6:10 pm

    @trollhattan: @Major Major Major Major:

    I am not good with housemates…

  80. 80.

    Cacti

    December 21, 2016 at 6:10 pm

    It grates him something awful that he’s the biggest popular vote loser to win the Presidency, dunnit?

  81. 81.

    tomtofa

    December 21, 2016 at 6:10 pm

    @lamh36:

    They’ll be taking home what – about $5000/mo; an apartment will be around $3000/mo, a mortgage similar (after a hefty down payment).
    So, maybe possible, but very, very, tight.

  82. 82.

    Jeffro

    December 21, 2016 at 6:10 pm

    @efgoldman:

    Nope. They will not take down anybody with (R) after their name. They. Just. Won’t.
    Party [and power] uber alles.
    They learned that lesson back in reasonable Republiklown days, when at least some of them went along with dumping Tricksie Dicksie Nixie.

    This is entirely correct – the Rs will keep excusing violation after violation, crime after crime, until it all comes crashing down around their heads.

    Check this out by Paul Waldman: How Conservatives Will Be Forced to Fall In Line Behind Trump. These guys are so craven, that even in their gerrymandered, hot-red districts, they can’t stand up to a few Breitbart commenters.

    Ds are going to be able to make great hay of this, if they’re willing to jump on the opportunity. Sitting back and assuming that GOP elected officials will grow backbones means that Congress stays red in 2018 and that Trump gets another four years in 2020.

  83. 83.

    Brachiator

    December 21, 2016 at 6:10 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    I don’t think Twitter’s going anywhere any time soon.

    That might not be a safe bet. You have the most recent departure.

    Twitter CTO Adam Messinger is leaving the company.

    Messinger, who’s been at the company for five years, tweeted the news Tuesday afternoon. He was most recently running product, engineering and design — a big chunk of the company.

    And past history.

    Messinger is the latest Twitter exec to depart, although many have come before him this year. Most recently, COO and head of all sales Adam Bain left the company, and before that Twitter lost a half dozen VPs across various departments. Another product exec, TellApart CEO Josh McFarland, also announced he was leaving Tuesday.

    Twitter also laid off roughly 9 percent of its staff back in October and shut down Vine.

    They have tons of users, but little growth and a stagnant business model. Not looking good.

  84. 84.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 21, 2016 at 6:12 pm

    @tomtofa:

    an apartment will be around $3000/mo

    This is… not true. Lots of stuff out there for less. You just can’t be picky about where or having housemates.

    And $5000/month take-home seems low, too.

  85. 85.

    Jeffro

    December 21, 2016 at 6:13 pm

    @Roger Moore: Neither one of these are going to happen with this bunch: see the article I linked to in #83.

    At this point, with the next terrorist attack, it’ll be interesting to see how the GOP spins it that a) it’s not Trump’s fault that he wasn’t attending intelligence briefings – there was no new info there, and b) the CIA screwed up once again, and c) this is why we need a Muslim registry. Bank on it.

  86. 86.

    Baud

    December 21, 2016 at 6:13 pm

    @Brachiator: They’ll be bought out by Facebook or Google . . . or Putin.

  87. 87.

    Roger Moore

    December 21, 2016 at 6:13 pm

    @lamh36:

    Ok BJ Cali folk…question for a friend…could someone live in Cali/Bay area making say $95K – $110K?

    If so how?

    I think the most practical way would be to live far enough from San Francisco that the rents are manageable and commute. For $95-110K, you could probably afford a place that’s close enough to commute by BART, but I would want a local to back me up on that.

  88. 88.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    December 21, 2016 at 6:14 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    Trump is the danger, but Conway keeps trying to defend him, make him palatable, put an attractive face (with an underbite) on his rantings. I DO hope the media and then the larger public gets tired of his vile, churlish persona (and her “long suffering”, dishonorable shtick).

  89. 89.

    debbie

    December 21, 2016 at 6:14 pm

    @Ella in New Mexico:

    I really think the sane R’s in DC are secretly suffering the Imp of the Tower right now, up to and until they can find a way to kick him and his entire lying shit-ass team to the curb.

    I disagree. To them, he’s the gift that never stops giving. How else to explain McConnell’s refusal to hold Senate hearings about Russian interference in the election?

  90. 90.

    Roger Moore

    December 21, 2016 at 6:14 pm

    @debbie:

    Trump needs a good slap punch in the face.

    FTFY.

  91. 91.

    JPL

    December 21, 2016 at 6:15 pm

    @lamh36: Go online and search apartments. That will give you an idea. A friend’s son lives in the LA area and started at that, and was fine. The bay area is pricier though.

  92. 92.

    Bobby D

    December 21, 2016 at 6:16 pm

    @lamh36: California, sure 100k is fine, but understand that the cost of living varies wildly here. Bay area also varies wildly, depending on how close to SF proper. I live and work on the central coast, lived in the Inland Empire before that (Riverside, Redlands), and own property in the high desert near Palm Springs. I also travel for work to the Fairfield area (Bay area, but inland a tad) a good bit.

    SF/Oakland/Palo/Berkeley/ or anywhere close…`100k will be quite difficult unless you’re willing to endure a horrendous commute. Most of California outside the tonier enclaves around LA/SF are not that expensive really. Compared to Tennessee, yeah it’s spendy, but compared to anywhere you’d actually want to live, not bad. Avg 3/2 1800sqft goes around here at $300-$400k IME. $350k buys a very nice, modern built home in Riverside, but a teardown shack in Oakland. It buys a 1960s era 3/2 here (been house shopping the last couple of months). $200/sqft is a decent ballpark idea.

  93. 93.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 21, 2016 at 6:16 pm

    @Roger Moore: I have a 1BR in a nice central location in SF for considerably less than the city’s sticker price. You just have to look around, instead of waltzing into a shiny new building and asking how much studios are.

  94. 94.

    debbie

    December 21, 2016 at 6:18 pm

    @Baud:

    I think Betty needs to posting on his feed as often as possible (without being blocked) that his EC victory was actually 46th out of 58 elections, a victory appropriate for a man with such small hands.

  95. 95.

    NeenerNeener

    December 21, 2016 at 6:19 pm

    @Jeffro: But if the next terrorist attacks are on Poodle’s foreign holdings what good will a muslim registry here do? Oh wait… Republicans don’t do logic.

  96. 96.

    Roger Moore

    December 21, 2016 at 6:19 pm

    @Jeffro:

    Neither one of these are going to happen with this bunch

    I wasn’t trying to suggest that impeachment would be easy, only that it would actually be easier than the 25th Amendment. The only thing that would potentially make the 25th Amendment approach easier is that it would involve people outside Congress making the first move. If Pence somehow got half the Klown Kar Kabinet on-board with his palace coup, it would put Congress in a position where they were forced to take sides.

  97. 97.

    SenyorDave

    December 21, 2016 at 6:20 pm

    @West of the Rockies (been a while): I DO hope the media and then the larger public gets tired of his vile, churlish persona (and her “long suffering”, dishonorable shtick).

    Media? Not as long as he keeps feeding them sandwiches and Lays ® potato chips. I certainly would compromise my principles and professional ethics for goodies like that.

  98. 98.

    debbie

    December 21, 2016 at 6:20 pm

    @cosima:

    Actually, Shitgibbon started in your land. It’s what people were calling Trump after he congratulated Scotland for voting to leave the EC.

    ETA: http://qz.com/716915/donald-trumps-visit-to-scotland-inspired-some-very-creative-british-profanity/

    It’s worth seeking out articles about this. The assorted names given to Trump are hilarious!

  99. 99.

    Kay

    December 21, 2016 at 6:21 pm

    “Drain the swamp” was a refrain of Donald Trump during the presidential campaign, but Newt Gingrich says the president-elect “doesn’t want to use it anymore” now that he’s knee-deep in alligators.
    “I’m told he now just disclaims that. He now says it was cute, but he doesn’t want to use it anymore,” Gingrich, who informally advises Trump, said Wednesday on NPR’s “Morning Edition.”

    Guffaw. Trump “disclaims” that. There’s an entire team of people who have to go from media outlet to media outlet explaining Trump’s lies.

    Why did they believe it? Newt Gingrich IS the swamp. He embodies it. He hasn’t been elected to anything in a hundred years yet he somehow makes millions of dollars. THAT should have been a tip-off.

  100. 100.

    hellacia

    December 21, 2016 at 6:22 pm

    Trump reminds me of Fredo Corleone

  101. 101.

    Ksmiami

    December 21, 2016 at 6:22 pm

    @celticdragonchick: bullets are too nice let’s get creative

  102. 102.

    Baud

    December 21, 2016 at 6:22 pm

    @debbie: I would give Betty the Presidential Medal of Freedom if she took down Trump on Twitter.

  103. 103.

    germy

    December 21, 2016 at 6:23 pm

    I remember the story about Rodney Dangerfield’s last heart surgery. When asked how long he would be hospitalized he said: “If all goes well, about a week. If not, about an hour and a half.”

  104. 104.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    December 21, 2016 at 6:23 pm

    @Jay S: Nope, Congressional “leadership” can act as well.

  105. 105.

    schrodingers_cat

    December 21, 2016 at 6:23 pm

    @cosima: He may never learn. I have a 65+ friend who voted for Stein and spews the same crap.

  106. 106.

    debbie

    December 21, 2016 at 6:23 pm

    @Baud:

    Yep, and the keys to a palatial hen house too!

  107. 107.

    EBT

    December 21, 2016 at 6:23 pm

    @lamh36: Me and two other people had a 2 bedroom in fremont for about 4 years with a combined income of about 34K It was a mile and a half walk to BART and several different markets.
    To the surprise of no one the NC GOP tried to fuck over the HB2 repeal. The Dems then withdrew support and the bill failed to pass. http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2015E5/Bills/Senate/HTML/S4v0.html

  108. 108.

    debbie

    December 21, 2016 at 6:24 pm

    @Kay:

    And it will be the Dems’ job to ensure Trump owns that expression…forever.

  109. 109.

    Baud

    December 21, 2016 at 6:25 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: Your friends seem almost as bad as M^4’s.

  110. 110.

    Iowa Old Lady

    December 21, 2016 at 6:25 pm

    @lamh36: So if I understand correctly, you did submit references from previous employers. This is on top of that.

    What you propose sounds ok to me, assuming these people can speak to your work.

  111. 111.

    Jeffro

    December 21, 2016 at 6:25 pm

    @NeenerNeener:

    But if the next terrorist attacks are on Poodle’s foreign holdings what good will a muslim registry here do? Oh wait… Republicans don’t do logic.

    True, but *their* logic will be: we have to register them here before they attack us at Trump Tower or Mar-a-Lago. I’m not suggesting anything, mind you… But that’ll be the logic.

    Once he is inaugurated, we’re going to see a whole new Trump, and not in a good way.

  112. 112.

    Hungry Joe

    December 21, 2016 at 6:26 pm

    @Ella in New Mexico: Re “the sane R’s in DC”: Which Republicans would those be? Seriously. Name one. And no, “sane by comparison” (Hi, Lindsey!) ain’t good enough.

    Unless Trump starts appearing an actual aluminum-foil hat on his head, I think they’ll stick with him because he’ll sign anything they put in front of him, and his tweets, harrumphs, and petty outrages will be handy distractions from their dismantling/eviscerating/shredding of the government.

    As for real physical danger for the likes of us, I don’t see it happening. It’s too much trouble, time, and expense, and the optics suck. Instead it’ll be Fascism 2.0: Why bother to lock opponents up when they can simply bury the dissent in avalanche after avalanche of social-media-assisted lies? “Let ’em yell their lefty heads off. We’re getting what we want — that is to say, everything — anyway.”

  113. 113.

    Jeffro

    December 21, 2016 at 6:27 pm

    @Roger Moore: The exciting – in the negative sense – thing about Trump is, even if Congress and the GOP were so beaten up by his antics that they started to think impeachment, he’d just double down and dare them to try it.

    And if we should ever get there, he’ll leave claw marks on the door frame of the Oval Office.

  114. 114.

    lamh36

    December 21, 2016 at 6:27 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: yep…I submitted references for all but 2 of my previous employers (one is gone thanks to Katrina, the other moved out of state and I have no forwarding info).

    this is letters of recommendation and not just reference calls.

  115. 115.

    schrodingers_cat

    December 21, 2016 at 6:28 pm

    @Baud: Not friends in plural, one friend in particular. The other Bernie sis, I know is an acquaintance at best.

  116. 116.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 21, 2016 at 6:29 pm

    @Baud: How do you avoid having a small number of friends with annoying political leanings?

    Do you not have friends?

  117. 117.

    lamh36

    December 21, 2016 at 6:29 pm

    @efgoldman: aww… :-)

  118. 118.

    PsiFighter37

    December 21, 2016 at 6:29 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Depends on your withholding rates, cost of employer health care, etc. By my calculations, $5k/month would be around the middle of that range

    I can’t speak to where to live in the Bay Area; I have to imagine it is doable, but as others have mentioned – having housemates will certainly ease the burden…living alone means probably having to compromise on location.

  119. 119.

    FlyingToaster

    December 21, 2016 at 6:29 pm

    What is Trump going to do when there’s a couple million* people marching against him the day after he’s elected.

    *Assuming that they get an actual million in DC and the 100K or so in each of the other major cities, and that the 24 hour news channels can be bothered to film it.

    I’m tempted to bring along a pocket charger just so I can monitor twitter on my phone.

  120. 120.

    albertZ

    December 21, 2016 at 6:30 pm

    Fuck Trump. That is all.

  121. 121.

    Baud

    December 21, 2016 at 6:30 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: Well that’s good.

    @Major Major Major Major: SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP.

  122. 122.

    Lizzy L

    December 21, 2016 at 6:30 pm

    @lamh36: Yes. Live in the East Bay. Look in Richmond, Richmond Annex, San Pablo, Hercules for rentals. Housing is the big expense. Forget Berkeley. Oakland is possible but you have to be lucky. Live frugally. Minimize driving.

  123. 123.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    December 21, 2016 at 6:30 pm

    @Roger Moore:

    In contrast, the 25th Amendment requires the VP and half the cabinet to agree he’s unfit

    “majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide“

  124. 124.

    Baud

    December 21, 2016 at 6:31 pm

    @FlyingToaster: I’m hoping most of the people in the public on Inauguration Day will be there with signs saying “We’ll miss you, President Obama.”

  125. 125.

    germy

    December 21, 2016 at 6:31 pm

    @albertZ: truck fump?

  126. 126.

    debbie

    December 21, 2016 at 6:31 pm

    @lamh36:

    All this to say…anyone think the two my vendor friend and former coworker would be good?

    Your post indicates that you have been interacting with them both in the past year, so why wouldn’t they be good?

  127. 127.

    Betty Cracker

    December 21, 2016 at 6:33 pm

    @lamh36: I’d go w/ vendors / former coworker if you don’t trust the supes. Good luck!

  128. 128.

    Brachiator

    December 21, 2016 at 6:34 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Not a kitteh fan, I see. The furry dictators reward you with purrs and occasional displays of affection, unlike the human variety.

    Actually, I like all animals. I think the superior attitude that some cats appear to give off is amusing.

  129. 129.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 21, 2016 at 6:35 pm

    @PsiFighter37: Oh, right, I’m married.

  130. 130.

    Brachiator

    December 21, 2016 at 6:35 pm

    @Baud:

    They’ll be bought out by Facebook or Google . . . or Putin.

    I vote Putin! He will want to keep his poodle Donald happy.

  131. 131.

    schrodingers_cat

    December 21, 2016 at 6:37 pm

    @Brachiator: In boss cat’s case superior attitude is backed by an occasional nip or a swat with an unsheathed claw, just so that I forget not to take liberties with his fury highness.

  132. 132.

    Jeffro

    December 21, 2016 at 6:37 pm

    @FlyingToaster:

    What is Trump going to do when there’s a couple million* people marching against him the day after he’s elected.

    You must be kidding…the day AFTER the inauguration? All miliing about out there in the cold, wasting their time and energy, thinking they’re accomplishing something. He’s not going to give a single. flying. fuck.

    If even 1/10 of those folks would show up at their Rep’s and Senators’ next town hall meetings, or call them once a week to say “NO COMPROMISE”, they’d do ten times as much good.

  133. 133.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    December 21, 2016 at 6:37 pm

    @SenyorDave:

    True, that was one hell of a spread at Trump’s Florida pleasure dome. You can’t get ridged Lays chips like that WITH DIP just anywhere.

  134. 134.

    Captain C

    December 21, 2016 at 6:38 pm

    @efgoldman: Whom they no doubt won’t pay.

  135. 135.

    EBT

    December 21, 2016 at 6:38 pm

    @Lizzy L: If They are making 100K Union City has a lot of options. The place I lived is about 1800 a month now and is on Mission. I think a mile and a half walk is perfectly fine, but you could bike it if you are adept at city bike riding. The BART station has enclosed bike lockers to rent as well. Hell the Fremont place I lived at with a google friend is only about 3000 now for a 2 bedroom. Both the places are inflated based on what they would be not in the bay but are really doable for someone hitting the 100 000 mark. You have to be willing to ride BART on the east bay or Caltrans on the west bay (I know people who recently found places for less than 2K in mountain view that are less than a mile from the Caltrans station and about that far from safeway too. Again overpriced for what you get but that is the story of the bay).

  136. 136.

    Elizabelle

    December 21, 2016 at 6:38 pm

    From the Urban Dictionary:

    Shitgibbon
    General insult….moron, idiot, Donald Trump in particular. (Origin: Scotland)
    We voted to remain, you incomprehensible shitgibbon!

    Looks like Scots called him a cockwomble more frequently, but shitgibbon sounds less cosy and more accurate.

  137. 137.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    December 21, 2016 at 6:39 pm

    @Ella in New Mexico: Maybe, Trump is older than Reagen than when Reagon took office and these twitter rants happen at 3-4:00am in the morning. If Trump is aim to be dicator he’d be the first to start ever day by ranting at the public in his underwear.

  138. 138.

    germy

    December 21, 2016 at 6:41 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: I sometimes get the warning soft paw.

  139. 139.

    Mom of Esme

    December 21, 2016 at 6:43 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: !Gracias!

  140. 140.

    Baud

    December 21, 2016 at 6:43 pm

    @Jeffro: The hope is that they might.

  141. 141.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    December 21, 2016 at 6:43 pm

    @Baud:

    SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP.

    I think you’re supposed to say “NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO ” as Major^4 is trying to talk.

  142. 142.

    Baud

    December 21, 2016 at 6:44 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA: I thought that was reserved for neo-Nazis.

  143. 143.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    December 21, 2016 at 6:45 pm

    @Baud: I sit corrected.

  144. 144.

    Tenar Arha (same Tenar, more Nameless Ones)

    December 21, 2016 at 6:45 pm

    He really is a sore whining winner. His sour grapes about losing the popular vote by about 3 million, the current inauguration let down, SNL etc is just the beginning of the stings he’ll feel over the next few years. Because the people whose respect he craves will never ever give it to him. Not that I think New York is still beholden to a group of families who arrange the social season a la Age Of Innocence, but they will always see him as a parvenu from Queens (especially since he never followed the rules but preferred to kick them over). Even after winning the election, he will never get the respect he has always craved, and it will continue to eat at him.

  145. 145.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 21, 2016 at 6:46 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA: @Baud: How do you know I’m not one?

  146. 146.

    debbie

    December 21, 2016 at 6:46 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    I was trying to describe that video to a friend today. I’ve decided it’s something you just have to see yourself.

  147. 147.

    FlyingToaster

    December 21, 2016 at 6:46 pm

    @Jeffro:

    If even 1/10 of those folks would show up at their Rep’s and Senators’ next town hall meetings, or call them once a week to say “NO COMPROMISE”, they’d do ten times as much good.

    Wrong, our senators and congressfolks aren’t the fucking problem.

    I’m represented by Katherine Clark, Ed Markey and Elizabeth Warren. They’re already in the “Hell No” coalition. The only member of the MA delegation who’s not rock solid is that whiny-ass Lynch.

    There’s fuck all I can do to make Claire McCaskill behave. Let alone any of the Republican Caucus.

    And I expect Trump will be tweeting about the marchers. He’s that kind of shitgibbon.

  148. 148.

    Roger Moore

    December 21, 2016 at 6:46 pm

    @Jeffro:

    And if we should ever get there, he’ll leave claw marks on the door frame of the Oval Office.

    Why do you think he’s supplementing the Secret Service with his own private security?

  149. 149.

    Baud

    December 21, 2016 at 6:47 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Cuz the neo-Nazis have standards.

  150. 150.

    cosima

    December 21, 2016 at 6:48 pm

    @debbie: Those are wonderful — I must not be moving in the proper circles (or it could be because I’m veering toward ‘elderly’). However, are we absolutely certain that Betty Cracker’s twitter handle isn’t Hamfisted Bun Vendor?

    @schrodingers_cat: Well, I think that if I can spend enough time with him I may be able to open his eyes to a few things. I’m encouraged that he’s so passionate about politics, because I sure wasn’t when I was 16, but also aware that he needs to expand his worldview a bit, and we have an interesting social circle (UN lawyer, environmental lawyer, professors, etc) that could broaden his horizons a bit. When we moved back (pre independence referendum) I noticed that there was a bit of US-style politics creeping in here and the only way that will change is if youngsters wake up about politics (anyone below 30 is a youngster to me).

  151. 151.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    December 21, 2016 at 6:49 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Disappointed not to see NR cited for “Wilmer totally better candidate than Hillary.”

  152. 152.

    Roger Moore

    December 21, 2016 at 6:51 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide

    Yeah, but Congress hasn’t provided another body. For them to do so, they’d need to pass a law, which would require either a Presidential signature- good luck with that- or 2/3 in each House to override. If they were actually going to do something like that in preparation for a 25th Amendment situation, they’d already have enough people on board for impeachment.

  153. 153.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 21, 2016 at 6:53 pm

    OK so I’m dealing with this app that was written by Ukrainians and this is the most brain-meltingly badly-written two lines of code I’ve seen in a while and I have to share for the ~2 of you that will understand my pain.

    .filter('customFilter', ['$filter', function ($filter) {
    var filterFilter = $filter('filter');

  154. 154.

    debbie

    December 21, 2016 at 6:54 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Can’t anyone ever code in a better-looking font?

  155. 155.

    Baud

    December 21, 2016 at 6:55 pm

    @debbie: I’d like to see a code in Old English font.

  156. 156.

    Baud

    December 21, 2016 at 6:56 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: It’s like that old commercial — “Pizza Pizza”

  157. 157.

    Kay

    December 21, 2016 at 6:56 pm

    @debbie:

    Look at Calista’s twitter feed sometime. These people spend their entire life attending “events”. It’s like some crazy version of royalty. Their shoes never touch pavement. They go from the SUV at the curb onto the carpet in whatever horrid “venue” they’re entering. Decades of this. It’s THEIR JOB. Newt Gingrich knows about as much about the “white working class” as Queen Elizabeth. She’s probably closer to them, with her dogs and rain boots and things. He looks soft and puffy and coddled because he is. He should have rings on every finger and a powdered wig.

  158. 158.

    debbie

    December 21, 2016 at 6:57 pm

    @Baud:

    Considering the age we’re entering, how about Deutsch Gothic?

  159. 159.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 21, 2016 at 6:57 pm

    @debbie: I use Monaco but this is the code font they have at Balloon-Juice!

  160. 160.

    FlyingToaster

    December 21, 2016 at 6:57 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Code Rescue was what I used to do for a living.

    And your example is worse than my 2005 Russian spaghetti code with dogshit sauce.

    Being a stay-at-home mom is infinitely preferable, even with WarriorGirl on the warpath.

  161. 161.

    Roger Moore

    December 21, 2016 at 6:57 pm

    @cosima:

    However, are we absolutely certain that Betty Cracker’s twitter handle isn’t Hamfisted Bun Vendor?

    That’s at the very least not her only Twitter handle, since I’m following her at @bettycrackerfl

  162. 162.

    EBT

    December 21, 2016 at 6:58 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: I have six weeks of self paced javascript and a semester of ASM and even I can see that looks wrong.

  163. 163.

    lamh36

    December 21, 2016 at 6:58 pm

    @Lizzy L: well, I have a new car (a little less than 2 years old)…so I have a car note…but I’m guessing I won’t be doing much driving, but it is an expense I don’t plan to stop

  164. 164.

    debbie

    December 21, 2016 at 6:59 pm

    @Kay:

    Oh, I know. He hasn’t changed a bit since his hissy fit when he wasn’t invited to sit with Bill in the front of Air Force One.

  165. 165.

    Roger Moore

    December 21, 2016 at 6:59 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:
    Sounds like some refactoring is in order.

  166. 166.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 21, 2016 at 7:03 pm

    @Roger Moore: I’m not refactoring a ukrainian angular app at 4pm before a twelve-day holiday!

  167. 167.

    Mike in NC

    December 21, 2016 at 7:03 pm

    I want Trump’s time in office to be less than that of William Henry Harrison (32 days).

  168. 168.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    December 21, 2016 at 7:07 pm

    @debbie: Yup, it haz to be seen.

  169. 169.

    Kay

    December 21, 2016 at 7:10 pm

    @debbie:

    What I love about it is how they get elected and then they never have to get elected again yet their post-government life is a job. Obviously someone is paying them for something, but that is never mentioned. There should be a rule. If we have Paul Ryan we don’t also have to have Newt Gingrich. A limited number of slots because they hang around for decades and there’s a multiplier effect with new ones coming along. Some of them have to retire and go away. We’re full up.

  170. 170.

    Another Scott

    December 21, 2016 at 7:16 pm

    @zhena gogolia: Apparently “Hitler was a vegetarian” is a another Goebbel’s big lie.

    E.g.:

    The first woman to graduate from Le Cordon Bleu in Paris, Dione Lucas, had a job as a chef at an upscale hotel in Hamburg before the war. She reports that Hitler was particularly fond of Sausages and Squab.

    FWIW.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  171. 171.

    Kathleen

    December 21, 2016 at 7:21 pm

    @germy: I think consequences were all quite intentional.

  172. 172.

    Kay

    December 21, 2016 at 7:22 pm

    The scary thing with Trump is he doesn’t really believe in anything. He doesn’t really have any political views. So what you’re relying on is the person himself- his temperament and ability to learn and his character. And that’s a problem because he is of poor character and temperament. An empty barrel. At least with ideology you sorta have guideposts. This is like “oh, we’ll just let this random asshole do whatever he wants”. I mean, I’m not saying I should be President either but I know that.

  173. 173.

    Roger Moore

    December 21, 2016 at 7:23 pm

    @Another Scott:
    People do change their diet over time, so this isn’t some dramatic proof that all the statements about him being a vegetarian are lies. IIRC, he became a vegetarian later in life for health reasons.

  174. 174.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 21, 2016 at 7:29 pm

    @Kay: He has political views. He hates China, thinks NATO is ripping us off, and wants to kill black people.

    Those are ‘political’, right?

    He’s not a very well thought out paleocon, but he’s still basically a paleocon.

  175. 175.

    Kay

    December 21, 2016 at 7:33 pm

    “Lewandowski said his firm didn’t conflict w/Trump – ‘drain swamp’ meant bureaucracy, not profit on govt contacts”

    The level of corruption will be incredible. Unprecedented. They’re tying it to ideology now- rolling it into deregulation and anti-government dogma. Soon asking a Republican to comply with an ethics rule or norm will be considered anathema to the basic tenets of conservatism because it’s all a market, right? Government is just a business and government contracts are a market and they don’t believe in any regulations. They did the same thing with campaign finance. They rolled it right into deregulatory zealotry. They’ll believe this shit. They’ll tell themselves they’re upholding Principles while they;re all cashing in. The only question is whether their voters will buy it and whether anyone will enforce any rules now that we have one Party government.

  176. 176.

    schrodingers_cat

    December 21, 2016 at 7:36 pm

    @Kay: Its reverse Communism, and it will fail just like Communism did. In Soviet America now with the Republican party in charge.

  177. 177.

    debbie

    December 21, 2016 at 7:37 pm

    @Kay:

    Right! It’s time we held their pensions hostage. Go away or else!

  178. 178.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 21, 2016 at 7:38 pm

    @Kay:

    They’ll believe this shit. They’ll tell themselves they’re upholding Principles while they;re all cashing in.

    You see this with some of the ‘kids’ these days (~Paul Ryan or so). The Nixon generation built up this huge dog-whistle edifice about states’ rights, charter schools, deregulation, fiscal responsibility, etc. and now the kids actually believe in the dog whistles.

  179. 179.

    debbie

    December 21, 2016 at 7:38 pm

    @Kay:

    That quote is more than offensive. And it’s the polar opposite of Right to Work/lowest bidder.

  180. 180.

    Another Scott

    December 21, 2016 at 7:39 pm

    @Roger Moore: True.

    But the meme that “you know who else was a vegetarian” is used to attack the character of people (often tongue-in-cheek). Hitler was extremely messed up, and a meat eater, long before he became a vegetarian.

    That is all. ;-)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  181. 181.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 21, 2016 at 7:41 pm

    @Another Scott: You know who else used innuendo & lies to slander people…?

  182. 182.

    frosty

    December 21, 2016 at 7:41 pm

    @lamh36: I’d never ask my current supervisor(s) for a recommendation. Period. If they don’t know you’re looking, you don’t want to let them know. And if they do … why the heck did you tell them?

    ETA: Vendor and co-workers are great choices. Given the circumstances, you don’t want management involved.

  183. 183.

    Roger Moore

    December 21, 2016 at 7:43 pm

    @Another Scott:
    I don’t remember using Hitler to criticize people for being vegetarian, only to point out that being a vegetarian (or loving dogs, being a loyal soldier, etc.) isn’t necessarily proof of virtue.

  184. 184.

    Kay

    December 21, 2016 at 7:45 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    I don’t believe what he says about trade. He said something different a decade ago. He is consistently racist, though, but that’s not a “political view”. That’s an example of his lack of character and decency. That’s my point. A loose cannon politically needs some inner mooring, some things he will or won’t do. He doesn’t have that either. It would be one thing if he was sort of shallow and a little crazy but you could say “but he’s always conducted himself in an admirable way, despite his deficits in those other areas”. You can’t say that. The opposite is true. He has NEVER behaved decently or admirably. I would not hire Donald Trump to put a new roof on my house. I don’t think he meets basic workmanlike standards, like, “spend 10,000 dollars” let alone “President”.

  185. 185.

    Tokyokie

    December 21, 2016 at 7:45 pm

    @Kay: Kay, It’s not that der Trumpenführer doesn’t believe in anything. He believes in one thing and one thing only, and he exalts to a level far above the esteem with which the Virgin Mary is held by the Roman Catholic Church. It is the greatest thing that has ever been produced or ever will be produced by human endeavor, and any action performed to further its grand and heroic stature is performed for the greater glory and therefore is sanctioned by all worthy legal and religious scholars, no matter the damage such action may do to those of insufficient belief.

    Unfortunately, that one thing is his asshole.

    And as an aside, is there anybody with a functioning mind who doubts that Carl Icahn will use his fresh grant of regulatory oversight to buy and short stocks? Albert Fall must be having a good laugh in hell.

  186. 186.

    Lizzy L

    December 21, 2016 at 7:57 pm

    @lamh36: Driving in the Bay Area is insane, but if you don’t have to commute to work, or if you’re lucky enough to be commuting against the flow, it’s tolerable. You moving?

  187. 187.

    EBT

    December 21, 2016 at 8:02 pm

    @Lizzy L: Thinking about driving in the bay gives me panic fits.

  188. 188.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 21, 2016 at 8:05 pm

    @Lizzy L: @EBT: I take Caltrain. I’m on it right now, actually!

  189. 189.

    Kay

    December 21, 2016 at 8:09 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Try this. Obama wouldn’t replace my roof because he’d say “hire a contractor, crazy person” so try this.

    Say there was a giant catastrophe and you had to leave your kids with the Obama’s for a week. They just happen to be there. Or the Romneys. You’d be okay with either. A little nervous the Romney’s would convert them but other than that, okay, they’ll be fine, they probably can’t baptize them in a week. The Obamas would make them do their homework and the Romneys would force them to play horseshoes but all in all, FINE.

    Now leave them with Trump. Different?

  190. 190.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 21, 2016 at 8:12 pm

    @Kay: hey, I get it. I’m just saying that he’s got a core of actual things he thinks. He isn’t just some automaton who tweets context-free outrageous shit. That’s all.

  191. 191.

    schrodingers_cat

    December 21, 2016 at 8:12 pm

    @Kay: I wouldn’t hire him to feed my cats, when I am traveling.

  192. 192.

    SiubhanDuinne

    December 21, 2016 at 8:14 pm

    @cosima:

    I hope that you will be pleased to know that sh£tgibbon has made it across the pond… I’ve introduced it to my Scottish friends, masters of snark, and I have a good bit of confidence in their using it liberally…

    Funnily enough, I’m about 99% positive that “shitgibbon” originated in Scotland, so you’re just helping it come home. (The day after the Brexit vote, Trump flew to Scotland and talked about how wonderful it was that the UK had pulled out of the EU — he said this to Scots! FFS — who promptly and creatively responded.)

    ETA: Drat you, Debbie @ #100, two hours ago!!

  193. 193.

    lamh36

    December 21, 2016 at 8:22 pm

    @frosty: well the only co-worker I was comfortable asking has said no.

    ETA: Technically, they are no longer my supervisors. One stepped down from Lab Supvr and the other was a former supvr who works PT. We were without a Lab Supevisor for some time, so the two of them have been working as a duo doing supervisor stuff. Now that we have a supvr, they are basically equal employee to me…but still do supervisory stuff…and have the new supervisor’s ear…basically they still act like they are supervisors

  194. 194.

    artem1s

    December 21, 2016 at 8:22 pm

    And he won, for fuck’s sake! Can you imagine the ear-splitting snit if he’d lost?

    Well he did lose the vote. But that isn’t the problem. The thing he wanted so bad isn’t winnable. Even the crowds at his rallies don’t like him. they just like to hate on people. They are just looking for a reason to be angry and someone to be angry at.
    He knows no one is ever going to look at him with this kind of joy
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whitehouse.gov/files/02.22.16-Virginia-McLaurin-2.jpg
    or this
    http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/57193d699105844d018be3d1-1200/meet-clinton.jpg

  195. 195.

    Kay

    December 21, 2016 at 8:32 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:

    The bullshit is piling up so fast they’re going to drown in it:

    In an interview, Lewandowski said his firm didn’t conflict with Trump’s message, suggesting that “drain the swamp” referred to bureaucracy, not people profiting on government contacts. (In fact, all five points of Trump’s plan to “drain the swamp” involved lobbying, and none involved bureaucracy.)
    “The message he has talked about is bureaucracy that has ran amok is a problem,” he said. “I think most companies would prefer to have a fast ‘no’ than a long ‘maybe.’ We are going to help companies get a faster answer.”

    Liar, liar pants on fire.

    They’re shameless. Lewnadowski calls his new lobbying shop a “small business”. He’s also moving to DC. So much for his connection with the common folk there in New England.

  196. 196.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    December 21, 2016 at 8:33 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Maybe there’s a variable-name shortage in Ukraine? I mean, they had to sell off the “the” in “the Ukraine.”

  197. 197.

    SiubhanDuinne

    December 21, 2016 at 8:33 pm

    @germy:

    truck fump?

    Or tuck frump, or fruck tump. Fun with spoonerisms.

  198. 198.

    EBT

    December 21, 2016 at 8:36 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: It’s a nice service, I wish they had a better way to charge clipper cards than taking out a whole route fair then giving you some back when you tag out at your destination.

  199. 199.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    December 21, 2016 at 8:36 pm

    @efgoldman:

    Don Cheetolini, where “Don” is a title, not a name.

  200. 200.

    SiubhanDuinne

    December 21, 2016 at 8:40 pm

    @Another Scott:

    Apparently “Hitler was a vegetarian” is a another Goebbel’s big lie…. She reports that Hitler was particularly fond of Sausages and Squab.

    Soy.

  201. 201.

    sunny raines

    December 21, 2016 at 8:41 pm

    a damn lot of innocent people are going to get ground up in the effort to keep trump’s ego afloat. It will be an unspeakable crime against humanity.

  202. 202.

    Shana

    December 21, 2016 at 8:48 pm

    @Tenar Arha (same Tenar, more Nameless Ones): I recall that after he started building stuff in Manhattan and becoming better known he was invited to the social events of NY society, which are largely charity events and after he either didn’t give money or didn’t actually pay the money he’d said he’d give they started not inviting him any more. So he has only himself to blame if he isn’t “respected” by them.

  203. 203.

    SiubhanDuinne

    December 21, 2016 at 8:51 pm

    Just saw breaking news that NC lege has failed to repeal the “bathroom bill.”

    This fucking country.

  204. 204.

    Chip Daniels

    December 21, 2016 at 8:52 pm

    I never realized why Spy magazine and all the New York folks hated Trump so much.

    Now I do.

  205. 205.

    stinger

    December 21, 2016 at 8:52 pm

    @artem1s: I hadn’t seen the Clinton image before — thanks! That’s just how I expect I’d look if I got to shake her hand. Or Obama’s.

  206. 206.

    Chris

    December 21, 2016 at 8:58 pm

    @Kay:

    I know we’re not allowed to mention the different, lower standard Donald Trump is held to- the soft bigotry of low expectations for old rich white men- but IMAGINE the screeching from political media if Obama had launched a campaign tour immediately after the 2008 election where all he talked about was how he had beaten McCain.
    …
    They lowered standards for this guy and we will all regret that. I saw one of his cabinet appointees is hinting he may not release his tax returns. That was predictable. Newt Gingrich is explaining how Trump doesn’t have to divest like every other President did. That was predictable too. Race to the bottom, baby. Always works the same way.

    They always lower standards for Republicans. George W. Bush couldn’t find a coherent sentence with both hands and a map, but that’s okay, he was just being “folksy” and “down to earth” and charming. And of course there’s Sarah Palin.

    Ironically, politics with conservatives today is a never ending parade of participation trophies. It doesn’t matter how completely they fail to meet the simplest standards (and again, I’m talking “simple” as in “ability to form complete sentences“); the bar will always be lowered for them just so they’re not embarrassed by their failure to meet it.

  207. 207.

    schrodingers_cat

    December 21, 2016 at 8:58 pm

    @Kay: I thought he was a goon from NJ.

  208. 208.

    NW Phil

    December 21, 2016 at 8:59 pm

    @lamh36: Share a house. I didn’t get an apartment by myself until 1991. It was in Mountain View and cost $725 for a junior bedroom (Glendale Apartments – nice then and still looks good). The Bay area has been expensive for a long, long time. And the older houses are small. Who wants to spend time inside anyway.

  209. 209.

    Another Scott

    December 21, 2016 at 9:10 pm

    @Roger Moore: Just to be clear, I wasn’t accusing anyone here.

    Sorry for any confusion.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  210. 210.

    SiubhanDuinne

    December 21, 2016 at 9:16 pm

    My Boston friends are spending Christmas week in Key West, as they always do, and have just reported sighting this bumper sticker on a local motor scooter:

    “I may be LOLing on the outside, but I’m WTFing on the inside.”

    I am so using that!

  211. 211.

    Another Scott

    December 21, 2016 at 9:18 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Kinda good news, in a convoluted way. See EBT at #109.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  212. 212.

    dww44

    December 21, 2016 at 9:20 pm

    @kindness: Albeit late to this thread, I’m wondering who will have the guts to say NO to the Trumps anytime soon. The GOP’ers in Congress are too heady with the absolute power they’ve just unexpectedly acquired to dismantle every social safety net program and gut every environmental and consumer protection ever. They won’t be saying no or even performing any sort of oversight for the foreseeable future.

    Knowing what we are in for, we really should dig in and get Obama and the Senate Dems to get Merrick Garland into the SC seat that the GOP has stolen from us. Or is that little piece of schadenfreude gonna go the way of the Hamilton Electors? We really could use a feel good victory here. Plus, it’s only right and fair. A bit of political trickery would be such a morale booster for us. Then we just have to keep a couple of the Supremes healthy for another 4 years and we just might survive the next 4 years.

  213. 213.

    Anonymous patient

    December 21, 2016 at 9:35 pm

    @TS:

    “It is yet to be seen if other nations will also do his biding – but some indications are pointing in that direction.”

    He has a nuclear arsenal, and there are no check points on his use of those special weapons. None. Everywhere in our system there are veto points, majority requirements, committee reports.

    But the Bomb, the President can launch in minutes. No one dares fuck with Trump from any country, really. Even Putin may be realizing what he’s done now, as Trump gets stranger and odder every day.

    I know Putin believed he has Trump locked down, as sure as I’m typing on a laptop right now. Video or better yet, old fashioned film of Trump doing something abhorrent to everyone. I don’t know what, but I know it exists.

    But he didn’t know that Trump is actually bug-fuck crazy, or he wouldn’t ever have allowed him near the button for nuclear armageddon. Trump would have had a vascular accident before the convention if Putin was sure Trump was this crazy.

    I hope and believe the lights are on in the Kremlin, or the offices that surround that vast command center we have film of the generals convening in, as they try to decide how to deal with “their” puppet. Best of luck to them!

    That shouted question about Trump’s statement about Christians being slaughtered, and then Trump asks “Who said that? When did they say that?” and the answer was “You said that, yesterday!” Terrifying to have a crazy, demented old fool in charge of the earth-shattering weapons that no one has used in 71 years.

    But not long, now…

  214. 214.

    J R in WV

    December 21, 2016 at 9:38 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    You should read that. It takes most of the cabinet to start, and then majorities of both houses of congress to finish. And then they have President Dence in charge.

    Hurray, one flavor of rich crazy swapped out for a more theocratic STUPID crazy. Wow, we are so lucky!

  215. 215.

    Tenar Arha (same Tenar, more Nameless Ones)

    December 21, 2016 at 9:46 pm

    @Shana: Correct. The way I think about it is Bloomberg, born & bred in Massachusetts, followed the rules, which acted as big key, & he is more accepted & respected, than the deadbeat will ever be.

  216. 216.

    Tenar Arha (same Tenar, more Nameless Ones)

    December 21, 2016 at 9:52 pm

    @efgoldman: IIRC I read/heard somewhere that he had to have had close ties because he was able to get concrete for that tower when everyone else was unable to.

  217. 217.

    PatrickG

    December 21, 2016 at 10:05 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: bwahaha that’s a thing of evil beauty

  218. 218.

    Tehanu

    December 21, 2016 at 10:40 pm

    @TriassicSands:

    There is no limit to the amount of damage this cretin can do to the country and the world in the next four years, but what really hurts is that while he’s wrecking things, we’re going to have to listen to his incessant whining.

    Sorry to say you’re right about this.

    @Shana:

    …he either didn’t give money or didn’t actually pay the money he’d said he’d give …

    I’m old enough to remember when Republicans took pride in being fiscally responsible and personally honest. Or at least, they said they did.

  219. 219.

    dww44

    December 21, 2016 at 11:46 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: My SO, who is a serious market watcher, cannot stand Icahn. Based on his descriptions of the guy, he’s a perfect fit for that bunch of deplorable billionaires and wanna be’s who’ve been nominated for a position in the Trump administration.

  220. 220.

    Bill_D

    December 22, 2016 at 12:49 am

    @EBT: Caltrans is the California DOT . Caltrain is the state-run train on the Peninsula and down the Santa Clara Valley.

  221. 221.

    Raoul

    December 22, 2016 at 1:01 am

    @Elizabelle:

    He is not going to wear well

    Ill fitting cheap suit will turn out to be ill fitting and cheaply made. Indeed.

    My main hope for Rump is that he (and Ryan and McConnell) fail fast and fail hard. Not a wish that fills me with joy, as them failing will mean real human suffering. But we seem to not be able to learn lessons without pain right now. Which is deeply frustrating.

  222. 222.

    leeleeFl

    December 22, 2016 at 7:23 am

    @James E Powell: I say this constantly. Being alive in spite of is a very different thing than surviving. Neither of these descriptions are desirable. We the people are SUPPOSED TO FLOURISH!

  223. 223.

    laura

    December 22, 2016 at 9:00 am

    @lamh36: come to Sacramento!

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