Here’s a near life-sized penguin cookie the kids made during the recent Drunken Aunties Cookie Bake-Off:
We told them it wouldn’t hold together, and it didn’t. So we ate it.
Open thread!
PS: Jimmy Carter is a great American and a helluva man.
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Here’s a near life-sized penguin cookie the kids made during the recent Drunken Aunties Cookie Bake-Off:
We told them it wouldn’t hold together, and it didn’t. So we ate it.
Open thread!
PS: Jimmy Carter is a great American and a helluva man.
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Major Major Major Major
What’s wrong with that cookie? Seems perfectly well-advised.
OT: Somebody left me a very nice note on part 1 of my book, so I’m pretty chuffed right now.
raven
92 yards!!
Это курам на смех
This joke was inevitable.
burnspbesq
2016 couldn’t leave well enough alone. Nope, on its way out it grabbed California’s First Dog, Sutter. Condolences to Governor and Mrs. Brown.
Gin & Tonic
Not sure if this has been posted, but here’s a picture of the incoming POTUS doing a grip-and-grin with a convicted murderer who is holding a Russian flag.
This is from some media tour King was doing in 2006. But in light of recent new, it’s delicious.
Major Major Major Major
@burnspbesq: Aww, not Sutter!
raven
@efgoldman: Did you see that formation???
Betty Cracker
@raven: Yeah, Noles are kicking the shit outta Michigan.
raven
@Gin & Tonic: He did it 2 nights ago.
trollhattan
@burnspbesq:
Aw damn. Have encountered First Dog a couple times out for walkies. Corgis can do no wrong.
Farewell, li’l fella.
Keith P.
Your penguin cookie sharted.
SiubhanDuinne
@efgoldman:
You know The QUEEN?????
schrodingers_cat
Even in a religion where the feminine Shakti is as powerful as the masculine Shiva, God is a combination of both the masculine and the feminine, Ardhnarishwara, IRL it does not somehow translate into equal status for women. One thing religious conservatives of all stripes share is the subjugation of women. The current Indian mores are somehow still stuck in the 19th century Victorian era, or so it seems to me.
SiubhanDuinne
@burnspbesq:
I did not know of Sutter’s existence until he left it, but I’m sorry for Governor and Mrs. Brown’s loss.
Fucking 2016.
Gin & Tonic
@raven: But without a Russian flag, I think.
Here’s the bizarre thing: do a Google image search for “Donald Trump Don King.” In every goddamn picture, and there are many different ones, King is holding a flag. US, Russia, Israel, it varies. But he’s always wearing the same stupid jacket and holding a flag.
Elmo
…aaaaand Bob Denver.
2016, boy, I dunno.
EBT
There is no way any of you are young enough to have ever read this. You all need to read this though. http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/10/god-of-cake.html
raven
@Elmo: That’s wrong, 2005.
schrodingers_cat
@Gin & Tonic: While watching the Great War episode for this week, I couldn’t get over how much Protopopov reminded me of T. Your thoughts?
Mnemosyne
I posted this a couple of threads ago, but word just went out that Tyrus Wong, a Disney artist that I was acquainted with died today at age 106. Obviously, once somebody passes the century mark, the news is no longer surprising, but he was active and mentally with-it to the very end. Therefore, fuck 2016.
(A documentary about him is supposed to air on PBS next year as part of the “American Masters” series — I’ll try to do a DVR alert when it does.)
Adam L Silverman
@raven: @Gin & Tonic: Two nights ago at the press availability/impromptu Q&A The top flag visible in King’s bundle was the Russian flag. He was also asked about the Israeli one, which was in the middle of the bundle.
Kathleen
@Betty Cracker: My son in law and grandson are at that game. They cheer for Michigan because they hate Ohio State.
burnspbesq
I find it just sooooo precious when Krugman, who is approximately my age, posts shaky cell phone videos of live performances by his new favorite bands.
schrodingers_cat
@EBT: I used to read Allie’s blog but somehow I missed this cake post. Very funny! I am like that with respect to potato chips. I can scarf down an entire bag. That’s why I never buy potato chips except for the 1 to 1.5 oz pack.
ETA: Thanks for sharing.
EBT
@efgoldman: Do you follow her/her boyfriends other project? http://theworstthingsforsale.com/ I read it for years before finally making an Amazon account to buy something. I never used incognito mode, so my suggested items list is, uhhh interesting.
Major Major Major Major
@EBT: Read it, own the book.
SiubhanDuinne
@Elmo:
Bob Denver died in September 2005.
SiubhanDuinne
@raven:
@SiubhanDuinne:
For whatever reason, the Bob Denver death rumor seems to come around about once a year. I see it here and on FB a lot. No idea why.
Gin & Tonic
@schrodingers_cat: I doubt that T. can skate nearly as well.
Actually, I haven’t been watching that show, so I don’t know how they’re depicting Protopopov and can’t make a judgement. Historically he was a minor figure, and by the time of the revolution was so addled by syphilis that he couldn’t have been effective if he wanted to.
More interestingly, Protopopov the skater has aged very gracefully. Here’s video of him skating with his wife last year. He’s 83 in that, she’s 81 or 82. Gives some of us old farts something to think about.
Betty Cracker
@EBT: Even olds know about H&1/2, FFS. ?
schrodingers_cat
@Renie: Why would they do that? Did he criticize her?
EBT
Somehow I just made a verbotan post.
Gin & Tonic
@Renie: If your son is named Donald McCarthy, then his article intentionally mis-quoted her, and the magazine is foolish to stand behind that.
Betty Cracker
@Renie: Wow, that sucks. People can be such assholes.
Gin & Tonic
@schrodingers_cat: Here is Kendzior’s Tweet on the matter. You can judge the issue for yourself.
Kathleen
@efgoldman: I agree. Nothing better than a good marching band. I appreciate the skill and discipline required.
hovercraft
@SiubhanDuinne:
Someone here posted a while ago that she no longer has her dogs. The speculation was that they are a tripping hazard for someone of her advanced years, and if something happened to her, they would miss her.
BillinGlendaleCA
@SiubhanDuinne: I went to junior high with his son.
NotMax
And constantly trailed by rabbits clutching a book titled “To Serve Jimmy.”
SiubhanDuinne
@hovercraft:
That might have been me. I think she is down to two corgis and one dorgi, or maybe the other way around. She is not replacing them as they die, but last I heard she still had a few.
raven
@hovercraft: I’m not sure what the Queen “having dogs” really means. I mean she doesn’t actually take care of them.
Kathleen
@efgoldman: My latest addiction is Cheez Its. I managed to finish a box while I was reading the nutrition advice on the previous thread. Better than chips, which I usually consume while watching Sean T promote his latest “Impossible Abs & Ass” DVD series. About twice a year I have to have some Cheetos. Not the baked ones – the fried ones.
ETA After which I contemplate the swelling of my ankles.
oklahomo
Meanwhile, the stupid spreads to the state next door to me.
EBT
Good fuck is WCU the fucking forbidden list?
EBT
Basically fuck wordpress so I won’t tell my marching band story.
greengoblin
Since this is an open thread started with baking, I will ask here. I tried Tamara’s bread recipe and it was very good except that mine rose out instead of up. So we ended up with flat bread. Trying another batch: can someone tell me what to do to get it to rise up instead of out?
Thank you!
Elmo
Raven and Siobhan, thanks. I usually know better than to take FB at face value. I blame 2016.
schrodingers_cat
@Renie:
The Russian connection is more than a conspiracy theory as President Obama’s actions against Russia and its operatives show. I am sorry but I disagree with what your son has written.
raven
@Elmo: It was on mine too.
NotMax
@Kathleen
The white cheddar flavor is surprisingly tasty.
@hovercraft
An elderly acquaintance with diminished sight recently tripped over his dog (a Chow) and ended up spending a month in rehab for a broken leg. Said dog is now an outside pet (has 19 acres to wander around on).
(For whatever reason, these old eyes today misread your nym as hovercrat. Not a bad name for Baud’s party next time out. :) )
Betty Cracker
@Renie: I disagree w/ what your son wrote, but obviously doxxing people and threatening them is wrong. Hope the hotheads back off soon.
Gin & Tonic
@Renie:
Maybe she is upset because she, in fact, did *not* claim that he was a KGB sleeper cell operative going back to the late 1980’s, and did *not* go onto Joy Reid’s show to make the same claims, as verified by both Joy Reid and by the published transcript of the show. Publishing false information is wrong; if done with malice, it is libel.
When the writer’s “update” simply doubled down, that certainly didn’t help.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@EBT:
The fuck? We’re (many of us) older than you (I gather from your assertion) but we’re not dead or unable to find interesting websites.
EBT
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): In my head you are all stodgy professionals with things like pantsuits and security clearances.
NotMax
All the chat about exercise and gyms was enough to finally spur me to take butter and eggs out of the fridge to get to room temp, first step in mixing up the whiskey cake I normally make at year-end holiday time but have been procrastinating about this year.
Mnemosyne
@oklahomo:
That news site needs a headline writer who speaks English.
Adam L Silverman
@Renie: I don’t mean to pile on, but Joy Ann Reid, on who’s show Dr. Kendzior made the statement, is backing Kendzior.
https://twitter.com/JoyAnnReid/status/814885824387018754
And here’s a link to the clip of her on Joy Ann Reid’s show that includes the statement that has been misquoted:
https://twitter.com/amjoyshow/status/810143044120940544
ETA: Regardless, your son does not deserve to be harassed/threatened on social media or in real life for that matter.
BillinGlendaleCA
@EBT: I personally have neither a security clearance nor a pantsuit.
chopper
@Gin & Tonic:
well then it’s understandable that she’s upset. but the doxxing and threats are the bigger deal here.
oklahomo
@efgoldman: Shit. I am blitzed on cold meds so I am doing good to read, let alone post.
Omnes Omnibus
@EBT: Your head has issues.
Adam L Silverman
@Mnemosyne: Its Arkansas, don’t push your luck.
Jeffro
@Gin & Tonic:
Hmm…let me think a sec…if China had hacked the RNC and used the hacked emails to slowly drive down GOP turnout/drive ‘both sides’ media coverage and Hillz had won…then Hillz refused to investigate China…THEN Hillz posed with Katy Perry holding a Chinese flag…
…oh never mind, I’m sure that Republicans would just take it in stride and “move on to bigger and better things”…
Gin & Tonic
@Renie: I have read the article, the transcript your son references as a source, the subsequent Tweetstorms from Kendzior, from your son and from his editor/publisher, and I am not wrong. Your son attributed things to her that she did not say. Writing that “she tried to claim X” is a BS way around that – how can he know what she was *intending*? He couldn’t write “she claimed” because she didn’t actually claim it. He and/or the magazine need to retract that.
schrodingers_cat
@Renie: @Betty Cracker: What BC said.
Gin & Tonic
@Renie:
I agree completely. Nothing justifies what people are doing to Kendzior either, and when your son’s article brings Trumpbots and Putinites out of the woodwork to threaten her, that’s wrong as well.
Jeffro
@schrodingers_cat:
Her son sounds like a Bernie Bro. How is “the left” offering no solutions?!? How is focusing on Trump and Russia taking away from those solutions – can’t we walk and chew gum?
Sheesh. Kendzior’s been awesomely all over Donald Arsonist…more power to her.
NotMax
Horrid thought which just flashed across the frontal lobes:
Don Boorleone could appoint half the Duggar family to SCOTUS.
Juice Box
@NotMax: I’m going to get a knee replacement next summer thanks to getting in the way of an excited puppy at the dog park many years ago. Sadly, the puppy is now in a box on our mantel.
oklahomo
@Mnemosyne: You should see some of the articles; sometimes there will be 2 or 3 it’s/its mistakes. They use “kids” instead of “children” in some articles, which I find jarring, but that may just be me personally. They use contractions like “could’ve”, which I find even more jarring.
Omnes Omnibus
@Renie: No one has said that it was right that he was doxxed and threatened. Many have explicitly stated that it is wrong.
BillinGlendaleCA
@efgoldman: Of course, who doesn’t?
EBT
@Omnes Omnibus: And how!
Adam L Silverman
@Jeffro: @schrodingers_cat: @Gin & Tonic:
@Renie: is concerned for her son. None of us are party to this dispute. I’m pretty sure none of us but Renie knows her son. Regardless of the accuracy of the quotation or how the update/correction has been handled so far, how about we cut Renie (and each other) a little slack. Several of us, including myself, have provided the basic information surrounding the correct quotation in context. We’ve also expressed our concern for her son and indicated that being threatened on social media (or real life) is unacceptable. Let her son, his editor, and Sarah Kendzior resolve the larger dispute at this point rather than speculate on Renie’s son’s political leanings.
Gin & Tonic
@Renie: I agree with you about threats, unreservedly.
However, I believe your son and his publisher to be dangerously naive and ill-informed about the nature of Russian influence, as a result of which they are unable to understand the difference between what Kendzior wrote and what they say she wrote. Having “kompromat” on someone and being a “KGB sleeper cell operative” are radically different things, which your son and his publisher conflate. Kendzior has lived and worked in an authoritarian, former-Soviet state. She knows what she is talking about. With due respect, I believe your son is over his head on this topic.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@EBT: That’s the first time I’ve ever been called, or even imagined to be, stodgy. Woo hoo! Perhaps I’ve been too restrained lately.
Last month I was called “a total fucking badass” by a 27 year old biology major who is an Afghanistan vet. I don’t think he sees me as stodgy, but he knows me in 3D.
Gin & Tonic
@Adam L Silverman: Well, obviously bad timing on my part. Feel free to delete any of my posts which you think are over the line, otherwise I’ll shut up.
Omnes Omnibus
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): You also know Bootsy. Just sayin’.
Adam L Silverman
@efgoldman: I have worn a kilt and I have a clearance. Usually I’m wearing a suit though. Unless downrange, then usually defense contractor chic.
Juice Box
@EBT: I was reading hyperbole and a half when it was still in black and white.
Cake wrecks always cheers me up, no matter what country is about to become an authoritarian dictatorship.
Adam L Silverman
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): Does he have to wear those glasses they give out at the movie theater when he looks at you?//
SiubhanDuinne
@raven:
Maybe not so much recently, but when she was younger and spryer, she was a pretty hands-on dog owner from everything I’ve read. Active and engaged in their training (not just the corgis and dorgis — the “pets” — but also the working dogs). Obviously she has staff that the rest of us don’t, but she is said to be very involved in every part of their lives.
SiubhanDuinne
@BillinGlendaleCA:
Cool. What was he like?
Adam L Silverman
@Gin & Tonic: I don’t have any particular problems. I’m not moderating the comments and I don’t think anything needs to deleted. Renie is clearly upset because of the threats to her son, hence her original comment. Just wanted to reinforce that before it gets lost in the shuffle and we make a bad personal situation worse regardless of what should/needs to happen in regard to the actual article her son wrote.
I didn’t want to single anyone out and I didn’t want to just do a standalone comment, so I replied to as many of us that have responded to Renie as I could find doing a quick scroll up and down the page.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@Omnes Omnibus: As you note, many here have stated that doxxing and threats are unacceptable behavior, period. I’ll say it again. I don’t care what political opinions the bad actors hold; it’s wrong.
That’s an entirely distinct issue from the inaccuracy of what was written. I read the sources referenced, and I believe the article to be a misrepresentation of what was written/tweeted, perhaps based on a lack of understanding of nuance. Doxxing and threats are unacceptable under any circumstances, and I understand a parent’s concern in this situation.
Jeffro
@Adam L Silverman: O-k
@Gin & Tonic: Seconded
These two comments are not incompatible, just out of order.
Mnemosyne
I finally heard from the Devil Woman tonight and there may finally be some movement towards the Disney World trip with my nieces. Everyone keep their lucky appendages crossed.
Though I have to say, WTF Silver Airways? You changed the RSW to MCO flight times on me? Good thing I hadn’t purchased the goddamned tickets yet!
Mnemosyne
@efgoldman:
Don’t ask questions you don’t want an answer to.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@Omnes Omnibus: Thanks for remembering! I think that alone disqualifies me from “stodgy.”
EBT – I have not a clue about your age or cultural interests. Do you know who Bootsy is?
Adam L Silverman
@Jeffro: No worries, same thing I replied to G&T in comment 104:
debbie
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):
Bootsy = The best name in all of music.
NotMax
@Mnemosyne
A little something to bring a smile.
debbie
@efgoldman:
From bootsycollins.com:
EBT
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): Bootsy the kid who always fucks up the boardgames?
Gin & Tonic
@debbie: I like that his site (correctly, IMO) refers to the “Parliament/Funkadelic empire.”
Betty Cracker
Whoa, Michigan takes the lead! ?
Jeffro
@efgoldman:
And JLB is still kicking & still knocking it out of the park, too…”The Jealous Kind” was a real hoot. The last paragraph was eye-watering poetry.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@debbie: And he is a genuinely nice man. I always enjoy having a chance to see him.
@Betty Cracker: Shit. I want them both to lose but I hate Harbaugh.
NotMax
@debbie
Gotta go with Ish Kabibble.
NotMax
@NotMax
Close runner-up: Blind Lemon Jefferson.
Betty Cracker
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): I’m not fond of either team but generally support whoever is playing FSU. ETA: Damned if FSU isn’t about to tie it up or win w/ less than two minutes remaining!
debbie
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):
I’ve listened to him in interviews and he came across as genuinely kind. I don’t know how he stands seeing through those glasses though.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@EBT: LOL.
@Betty Cracker: Hell of a game.
Omnes Omnibus
@EBT: Bassist for James Brown and George Clinton among other endeavors. Example.
SiubhanDuinne
@efgoldman:
The servant problem, such a bore in these trying times. I’m down to two footmen, one of whom doubles as chauffeur; I now have a combined cook-housekeeper instead of one of each; and the butler demands two half-days off each week.
Another Scott
In other news, Taiwan’s President plans to stop in San Francisco and Houston in January before Obama leaves office. Reuters:
It’ll be interesting to see how much
seeshe and Trump’s people want to push this before Donnie takes office. Obama is seemingly going to have his hands full until noon on the 20th. :-(Cheers,
Scott.
Omnes Omnibus
@SiubhanDuinne:
Have him flogged.
RobertDSC-Mac Mini
Jabrill Peppers should be kicked off the Wolverines’ team. Quitting on the day of the biggest game of the season is unacceptable. Even if he was “injured” he still should have played.
Pathetic.
Omnes Omnibus
@Omnes Omnibus: And while we are at it, we should have EBT flogged on general principle.
Jeffro
@efgoldman: Oh yeah – his Dave Robicheaux books are so atmospheric, it’s incredible. You keep glancing up, expecting to see Spanish moss hanging in your living room. He makes you crave the food and the music and a cold Jax while you’re reading, too.
Omnes Omnibus
@efgoldman: The second footman was great at footing, but he was more fiddle player than violinost.
Jeffro
Btw, since this is an Open Thread: for those not up on why school vouchers are just more giveaways to the wealthy, here’s how Indiana’s voucher program is working out:
Fully half of all participants never had their kids in public schools anyway. So these vouchers are now covering the cost of private school that folks were already paying for instead of sending their kids to (and taking part in the life of, and advancement of,) the local public schools.
Omnes Omnibus
@efgoldman: Yes, I assume that a star would want to play in a bowl game.
Jeffro
@Jeffro: And naturally everyone here can see that the same thing will play out over and over with the Trumpista “Profit First!” crowd…vouchers for Medicare, Medicaid, this new infrastructure scam that’s coming…wholesale looting of the public good and treasury, in order to line the pockets of the 0.1%
BillinGlendaleCA
@SiubhanDuinne: We were in a PE class for smaller kids, so we knew each other pretty well. Nice kid.
Jeffro
@efgoldman:
Well, his first few are Neon Rain, Heaven’s Prisoners (arguably his best), Black Cherry Blues, A Stained Glass Radiance, and A Morning For Flamingos. But honestly almost all of his Robicheaux books are like that. He talks about the smell of the bayou and fish fries and dive bars and before you know it, you’re gone.
His recent books have all been based on his ‘colorful’ ancestors and their stories and they’re good, but they’re mostly centered in Texas and just don’t have the kick of the New Orleans/Robicheaux stories.
Yarrow
@Another Scott: I heard about the Taiwanese president’s transit visit on NPR. I think no one really knows how it will all work out. Trump is upending longstanding American policy even before he takes office. Can’t imagine what he can do once he’s there.
JordanRules
@RobertDSC-Mac Mini: Snark?
If not then you might want to chill on deciding when\how these college kids should keep sacrificing their bodies.
That game is not important in the scheme of things and I suspect you know this. Great game tho!!
Jeffro
@efgoldman: yes…the last few like Swan Peak and a couple others took place mostly in Montana (where Burke resides full-time now). I thought Glass Rainbow would have made an outstanding end to the Robicheaux books and so with apologies to JLB I kind of consider it to be just that.
He does check in on his message board almost daily, so feel free to drop him a line if you want. And grab a Robicheaux Dock & Bait Shop hat while you’re at it!
PS Outside of the Robicheaux books, “Cimmaron Rose” and “White Doves at Morning” are pretty kickass. His two short story collections are great, too.
PS #2: the Katrina book was Tin Roof Blowdown and you’re right, it captured that tragedy and related issues about as well as anything I’ve ever read
Truegster
I’m guess I’m in the minority here, but Jimmy Carter’s military support for Suharto actions in East Timor were immoral. It was basically genocide. It’s not like America was enforcing human rights all across the globe instead of multinational corporate interests (S.America,Africa)during the Carter administration. He does seem really friendly though, nice smile, likes to build houses, yea.
Steeplejack (tablet)
@Mnemosyne:
I don’t know if MeTV shifts for time zones or if it’s already too late, but Bobby Troup was on Perry Mason tonight, “The Case of the Missing Melody” (1961). He plays a jazz drummer named Bongo Jones. Need I say more?
Jazz great Barney Kessel is the guitarist in the group.
Omnes Omnibus
@Truegster: Are you trying to start a fight? Bringing up nearly 40 y/o things indicates wanting to start a fight.
ETA: I have no interest in having that fight. I doubt that anyone else is interested either.
Major Major Major Major
@Truegster: every American president does something unconscionable. It comes with the job.
ETA: also what Omnes said.
SectionH
@efgoldman:
[delurking] not to be confused with Jan Burke (I definitely have to reread the name sometimes to sort out who’s being mentioned.) She’s another good mystery writer. But her setting is San Piedras, CA iirc. (Holy Feet, lol).
Re New Orleans, I hope you’ve read Confederacy of Dunces. I had a friend who lived in NOLA for many years assure me it was pretty much accurate, under-aggerated the crazy if anything. I’ve visited NOLA scores of times, dealt with natives, and never doubted her assessment.
We were there a few days this time last year, and I was never so happy to escape from a place in my life, in spite of finding a great restaurant scene in a new(ish, new to me) area.
eta: oh the Humidity… and 85º in December isn’t normal even in NOLA.
Omnes Omnibus
@Truegster: You did a drive-by? Fuck you.
Steeplejack (tablet)
@oklahomo: @oklahomo:
Copyediting is dead. Headline on that story: “Arkansas Legislators File Resolutions for Convention of States to Reign in U.S. Government.”
Major Major Major Major
@Omnes Omnibus: srsly.
SectionH
@Steeplejack (tablet): Absolutely correct.
We already know which fucking states reign.
SectionH
@efgoldman: Uh… I doubt it then. Follow my link. It’s NOT a mystery novel. It’s a fucking brilliant piece Americana.
Sui generis? Just like NOLA…
Steeplejack (tablet)
@EBT:
Ah, the “I’m the hippest guy in the room” fallacy. That’s a tough one.
NotMax
@efgoldman
Confederacy of Dunces is a fantastic novel by John Kennedy Toole, published posthumously after years of false starts and rejections. He was also posthumously awarded the Pulitzer Prize for fiction for it.
Mnemosyne
@efgoldman:
This is why I’ve been working as a secretary for the last 20 years after my nascent copyediting career got killed by the collapse of the magazine industry in Los Angeles. I could be worse off — Fred Clark of Slacktivist actually was a professional newspaper copy editor for years, and last I heard, his day job was working at Home Depot or a similar big box store.
seaboogie
@SiubhanDuinne: efgoldman:
I don’t know about the entirety of the internets, but you totally win this thread, at the very least!
Anya
@Adam L Silverman: I am puzzled by these people who decide harassing someone or threatening them is a viable option. I just don’t get it. No matter what someone writes or says, it does not justify harassment or threats.
NotMax
@efgoldman
A happenstance both obvious and galling to the vanishing band who take pride in the written word and cherish clear communication.
Dog Dawg Damn
@Renie: I love how the CIA, FBI, DHS, DNI, & NSA all calling foul over Russia is somehow a ridiculous theory. This is why we will lose this war. Our side lacks the imagination to call this what it is.
Dog Dawg Damn
@Dog Dawg Damn: Although at this point, if you want to dismiss this as a crazy conspiracy theory, I have to question what side you are on.
Major Major Major Major
@Dog Dawg Damn: I’d be a bit more sympathetic to the viewpoint if this were being used as evidence supporting a land invasion somewhere, or something like that which would make an Iraq-WMD parallel make any sense at all.
Anne Laurie
@EBT: Child, you are so wrong.
Steeplejack (tablet)
@SectionH:
Piedras are stones, pies are feet.
Steeplejack (tablet)
@Anne Laurie:
Link fail. Fixed.
SectionH
@Steeplejack (tablet): Fuck me. It’s San Piernas.
Thank you, and sorry.
Steeplejack (tablet)
@SectionH:
Las Piernas, probably.
SectionH
@Steeplejack (tablet): What I said?
SectionH
Countdown to 2017:
https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/newyear?p0=274
Steeplejack (tablet)
@SectionH:
You said San Piernas. The town in the books is Las Piernas, “the legs.”
SectionH
@Steeplejack (tablet): You’re totes right. I did talk with her at a Left Coast Crime a few years ago, where she was the GoH, and she did make the feet joke – probably including that the piedras was a real place.
Not snark to say TY for corrections.
EBT
@Omnes Omnibus: Well if you are gonna come on to me…
And in my defense I was drunk and only thinking internet culture because the last topic was internet culture. Also I may have spent a decade playing brass.
laura
@burnspbesq: I can’t even with this year.
Many tears.
Sutter was a cheerful chap and loved by many including me.
Truegster
In rebuttal to several – Then Reagan gets a pass for what he did. I’m not cool with that. So, unless you can convince me that I’m the hypocritical douche that needs to understand it’s only when Republicans support atrocities that I need to be morally bothered by, then you all win, I concede, Carter’s a great guy.
Drive-by? Need me to mention what Carter and the U.S. was morally obligated to do for Vietnam after we destroyed? If you want, I can hang like a battleship and lob that all day.
If you want to know what the point is – I personally don’t live in a post-truth reality and I am discovering that Carter is apparently the line for some of you.
It’s good to know on my part, whom I’m reading discuss policies and politics, where some of your moral compasses stay and when it shifts.
Some of you give Carter a pass obviously, I do not. Good to know on a political blog, right?
Another Scott
@Truegster: Binary much?
The world isn’t black and white, and neither are presidents.
Cheers,
Scott.
Truegster
Yeah, therefore Carter isn’t a great guy, so we are in agreement. It would be binary for me to say “Carter good, Reagan bad”. I’m clearly not doing that.
And Cheers to you Scott, wishing you and yours a Happy New Years
Mnemosyne
@Truegster:
I think you’re intermixing “great guy” and “great president.” Carter has been a much, much better ex-president doing good works than he was as a one-term president. He was a pretty crappy president who made some really terrible foreign policy mistakes that Reagan picked up and ran with.
I was raised Catholic, which makes me tend to believe in reform and reconciliation, so I feel that Carter’s bad actions as president in Central America are balanced (but not erased) by his good actions there after he was president. If people can never, ever realize that their actions were bad and take steps to make amends for those actions, then what’s the point of having a society at all? Just let people thrash around doing bad shit without ever having to apologize or explain.
Truegster
@Mnemosyne: I believe in the concept of Truth and Reconciliation, has Carter made any public statements to address, recognize or apologize for that American past? I’m not aware of it. His I/P work doesn’t cover what he was directly responsible for, Truth and Reconciliation isn’t about changing the subject, trying to go out and then fix others wrongs.
As a fact, he did not make amends with Vietnam in the aftermath.
I was talking about American Government and most definitely like to separate it from Religious notions of Justice and Repentance. War crimes were committed and laws broken in several countries, many times in South America and that old Catholic Church wasn’t innocent either.
Remember the letter Archbishop Oscar Romero wrote Carter before he was assassinated?
It sounds to me that you’re giving him forgiveness when he never asked for it.
Another Scott
@Truegster: Of all the things to be upset about these days, what Carter did in office 35+ years ago seems weird to me. Especially in this thread.
Carter’s record (good and bad) is not that of some monster.
FWIW.
Cheers,
Scott.