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Ill-Advised Cookie (Open Thread)

by Betty Cracker|  December 30, 20169:25 pm| 155 Comments

This post is in: Domestic Politics, Open Threads

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Here’s a near life-sized penguin cookie the kids made during the recent Drunken Aunties Cookie Bake-Off:

We told them it wouldn’t hold together, and it didn’t. So we ate it.

Open thread!

PS: Jimmy Carter is a great American and a helluva man.

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  1. 1.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 30, 2016 at 9:31 pm

    What’s wrong with that cookie? Seems perfectly well-advised.

    OT: Somebody left me a very nice note on part 1 of my book, so I’m pretty chuffed right now.

  2. 2.

    raven

    December 30, 2016 at 9:33 pm

    92 yards!!

  3. 3.

    Это курам на смех

    December 30, 2016 at 9:35 pm

    This joke was inevitable.

  4. 4.

    burnspbesq

    December 30, 2016 at 9:35 pm

    2016 couldn’t leave well enough alone. Nope, on its way out it grabbed California’s First Dog, Sutter. Condolences to Governor and Mrs. Brown.

  5. 5.

    Gin & Tonic

    December 30, 2016 at 9:36 pm

    Not sure if this has been posted, but here’s a picture of the incoming POTUS doing a grip-and-grin with a convicted murderer who is holding a Russian flag.

    This is from some media tour King was doing in 2006. But in light of recent new, it’s delicious.

  6. 6.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 30, 2016 at 9:36 pm

    @burnspbesq: Aww, not Sutter!

  7. 7.

    raven

    December 30, 2016 at 9:36 pm

    @efgoldman: Did you see that formation???

  8. 8.

    Betty Cracker

    December 30, 2016 at 9:37 pm

    @raven: Yeah, Noles are kicking the shit outta Michigan.

  9. 9.

    raven

    December 30, 2016 at 9:37 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: He did it 2 nights ago.

  10. 10.

    trollhattan

    December 30, 2016 at 9:38 pm

    @burnspbesq:
    Aw damn. Have encountered First Dog a couple times out for walkies. Corgis can do no wrong.

    Farewell, li’l fella.

  11. 11.

    Keith P.

    December 30, 2016 at 9:43 pm

    Your penguin cookie sharted.

  12. 12.

    SiubhanDuinne

    December 30, 2016 at 9:46 pm

    @efgoldman:

    Corgis can do no wrong.

    A friend of mine who has two might disagree.

    You know The QUEEN?????

  13. 13.

    schrodingers_cat

    December 30, 2016 at 9:47 pm

    Even in a religion where the feminine Shakti is as powerful as the masculine Shiva, God is a combination of both the masculine and the feminine, Ardhnarishwara, IRL it does not somehow translate into equal status for women. One thing religious conservatives of all stripes share is the subjugation of women. The current Indian mores are somehow still stuck in the 19th century Victorian era, or so it seems to me.

  14. 14.

    SiubhanDuinne

    December 30, 2016 at 9:49 pm

    @burnspbesq:

    I did not know of Sutter’s existence until he left it, but I’m sorry for Governor and Mrs. Brown’s loss.

    Fucking 2016.

  15. 15.

    Gin & Tonic

    December 30, 2016 at 9:53 pm

    @raven: But without a Russian flag, I think.

    Here’s the bizarre thing: do a Google image search for “Donald Trump Don King.” In every goddamn picture, and there are many different ones, King is holding a flag. US, Russia, Israel, it varies. But he’s always wearing the same stupid jacket and holding a flag.

  16. 16.

    Elmo

    December 30, 2016 at 9:54 pm

    …aaaaand Bob Denver.
    2016, boy, I dunno.

  17. 17.

    EBT

    December 30, 2016 at 9:55 pm

    There is no way any of you are young enough to have ever read this. You all need to read this though. http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/10/god-of-cake.html

  18. 18.

    raven

    December 30, 2016 at 9:55 pm

    @Elmo: That’s wrong, 2005.

  19. 19.

    schrodingers_cat

    December 30, 2016 at 9:55 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: While watching the Great War episode for this week, I couldn’t get over how much Protopopov reminded me of T. Your thoughts?

  20. 20.

    Mnemosyne

    December 30, 2016 at 9:59 pm

    I posted this a couple of threads ago, but word just went out that Tyrus Wong, a Disney artist that I was acquainted with died today at age 106. Obviously, once somebody passes the century mark, the news is no longer surprising, but he was active and mentally with-it to the very end. Therefore, fuck 2016.

    (A documentary about him is supposed to air on PBS next year as part of the “American Masters” series — I’ll try to do a DVR alert when it does.)

  21. 21.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 30, 2016 at 9:59 pm

    @raven: @Gin & Tonic: Two nights ago at the press availability/impromptu Q&A The top flag visible in King’s bundle was the Russian flag. He was also asked about the Israeli one, which was in the middle of the bundle.

  22. 22.

    Kathleen

    December 30, 2016 at 10:00 pm

    @Betty Cracker: My son in law and grandson are at that game. They cheer for Michigan because they hate Ohio State.

  23. 23.

    burnspbesq

    December 30, 2016 at 10:06 pm

    I find it just sooooo precious when Krugman, who is approximately my age, posts shaky cell phone videos of live performances by his new favorite bands.

  24. 24.

    schrodingers_cat

    December 30, 2016 at 10:07 pm

    @EBT: I used to read Allie’s blog but somehow I missed this cake post. Very funny! I am like that with respect to potato chips. I can scarf down an entire bag. That’s why I never buy potato chips except for the 1 to 1.5 oz pack.
    ETA: Thanks for sharing.

  25. 25.

    EBT

    December 30, 2016 at 10:08 pm

    @efgoldman: Do you follow her/her boyfriends other project? http://theworstthingsforsale.com/ I read it for years before finally making an Amazon account to buy something. I never used incognito mode, so my suggested items list is, uhhh interesting.

  26. 26.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 30, 2016 at 10:08 pm

    @EBT: Read it, own the book.

  27. 27.

    SiubhanDuinne

    December 30, 2016 at 10:11 pm

    @Elmo:

    Bob Denver died in September 2005.

  28. 28.

    SiubhanDuinne

    December 30, 2016 at 10:13 pm

    @raven:
    @SiubhanDuinne:

    For whatever reason, the Bob Denver death rumor seems to come around about once a year. I see it here and on FB a lot. No idea why.

  29. 29.

    Gin & Tonic

    December 30, 2016 at 10:13 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: I doubt that T. can skate nearly as well.

    Actually, I haven’t been watching that show, so I don’t know how they’re depicting Protopopov and can’t make a judgement. Historically he was a minor figure, and by the time of the revolution was so addled by syphilis that he couldn’t have been effective if he wanted to.

    More interestingly, Protopopov the skater has aged very gracefully. Here’s video of him skating with his wife last year. He’s 83 in that, she’s 81 or 82. Gives some of us old farts something to think about.

  30. 30.

    Betty Cracker

    December 30, 2016 at 10:15 pm

    @EBT: Even olds know about H&1/2, FFS. ?

  31. 31.

    schrodingers_cat

    December 30, 2016 at 10:15 pm

    @Renie: Why would they do that? Did he criticize her?

  32. 32.

    EBT

    December 30, 2016 at 10:17 pm

    Somehow I just made a verbotan post.

  33. 33.

    Gin & Tonic

    December 30, 2016 at 10:17 pm

    @Renie: If your son is named Donald McCarthy, then his article intentionally mis-quoted her, and the magazine is foolish to stand behind that.

  34. 34.

    Betty Cracker

    December 30, 2016 at 10:19 pm

    @Renie: Wow, that sucks. People can be such assholes.

  35. 35.

    Gin & Tonic

    December 30, 2016 at 10:19 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: Here is Kendzior’s Tweet on the matter. You can judge the issue for yourself.

  36. 36.

    Kathleen

    December 30, 2016 at 10:20 pm

    @efgoldman: I agree. Nothing better than a good marching band. I appreciate the skill and discipline required.

  37. 37.

    hovercraft

    December 30, 2016 at 10:20 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:
    Someone here posted a while ago that she no longer has her dogs. The speculation was that they are a tripping hazard for someone of her advanced years, and if something happened to her, they would miss her.

  38. 38.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    December 30, 2016 at 10:21 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: I went to junior high with his son.

  39. 39.

    NotMax

    December 30, 2016 at 10:22 pm

    Jimmy Carter is a great American and a helluva man.

    And constantly trailed by rabbits clutching a book titled “To Serve Jimmy.”

  40. 40.

    SiubhanDuinne

    December 30, 2016 at 10:23 pm

    @hovercraft:

    That might have been me. I think she is down to two corgis and one dorgi, or maybe the other way around. She is not replacing them as they die, but last I heard she still had a few.

  41. 41.

    raven

    December 30, 2016 at 10:23 pm

    @hovercraft: I’m not sure what the Queen “having dogs” really means. I mean she doesn’t actually take care of them.

  42. 42.

    Kathleen

    December 30, 2016 at 10:23 pm

    @efgoldman: My latest addiction is Cheez Its. I managed to finish a box while I was reading the nutrition advice on the previous thread. Better than chips, which I usually consume while watching Sean T promote his latest “Impossible Abs & Ass” DVD series. About twice a year I have to have some Cheetos. Not the baked ones – the fried ones.

    ETA After which I contemplate the swelling of my ankles.

  43. 43.

    oklahomo

    December 30, 2016 at 10:25 pm

    Meanwhile, the stupid spreads to the state next door to me.

  44. 44.

    EBT

    December 30, 2016 at 10:27 pm

    Good fuck is WCU the fucking forbidden list?

  45. 45.

    EBT

    December 30, 2016 at 10:29 pm

    Basically fuck wordpress so I won’t tell my marching band story.

  46. 46.

    greengoblin

    December 30, 2016 at 10:30 pm

    Since this is an open thread started with baking, I will ask here. I tried Tamara’s bread recipe and it was very good except that mine rose out instead of up. So we ended up with flat bread. Trying another batch: can someone tell me what to do to get it to rise up instead of out?

    Thank you!

  47. 47.

    Elmo

    December 30, 2016 at 10:30 pm

    Raven and Siobhan, thanks. I usually know better than to take FB at face value. I blame 2016.

  48. 48.

    schrodingers_cat

    December 30, 2016 at 10:31 pm

    @Renie:

    That any of this can be taken as serious is a true detriment to left wing discourse in America. No solutions to the rampant problems in America, income inequality, global warming, racism, sexism, capitalism, are addressed by clinging to these conspiracy theories.

    The Russian connection is more than a conspiracy theory as President Obama’s actions against Russia and its operatives show. I am sorry but I disagree with what your son has written.

  49. 49.

    raven

    December 30, 2016 at 10:32 pm

    @Elmo: It was on mine too.

  50. 50.

    NotMax

    December 30, 2016 at 10:32 pm

    @Kathleen

    The white cheddar flavor is surprisingly tasty.

    @hovercraft

    An elderly acquaintance with diminished sight recently tripped over his dog (a Chow) and ended up spending a month in rehab for a broken leg. Said dog is now an outside pet (has 19 acres to wander around on).

    (For whatever reason, these old eyes today misread your nym as hovercrat. Not a bad name for Baud’s party next time out.  :) )

  51. 51.

    Betty Cracker

    December 30, 2016 at 10:32 pm

    @Renie: I disagree w/ what your son wrote, but obviously doxxing people and threatening them is wrong. Hope the hotheads back off soon.

  52. 52.

    Gin & Tonic

    December 30, 2016 at 10:33 pm

    @Renie:

    On Twitter, writer Sarah Kendzior tried to claim that Trump was a KGB sleeper cell operative going back to the late 1980s. She then went onto Joy Reid’s MSNBC show to make the same claims with a panel of likeminded individuals.

    Maybe she is upset because she, in fact, did *not* claim that he was a KGB sleeper cell operative going back to the late 1980’s, and did *not* go onto Joy Reid’s show to make the same claims, as verified by both Joy Reid and by the published transcript of the show. Publishing false information is wrong; if done with malice, it is libel.

    When the writer’s “update” simply doubled down, that certainly didn’t help.

  53. 53.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    December 30, 2016 at 10:36 pm

    @EBT:

    There is no way any of you are young enough to have ever read this.

    The fuck? We’re (many of us) older than you (I gather from your assertion) but we’re not dead or unable to find interesting websites.

  54. 54.

    EBT

    December 30, 2016 at 10:38 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): In my head you are all stodgy professionals with things like pantsuits and security clearances.

  55. 55.

    NotMax

    December 30, 2016 at 10:40 pm

    All the chat about exercise and gyms was enough to finally spur me to take butter and eggs out of the fridge to get to room temp, first step in mixing up the whiskey cake I normally make at year-end holiday time but have been procrastinating about this year.

  56. 56.

    Mnemosyne

    December 30, 2016 at 10:40 pm

    @oklahomo:

    That news site needs a headline writer who speaks English.

  57. 57.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 30, 2016 at 10:41 pm

    @Renie: I don’t mean to pile on, but Joy Ann Reid, on who’s show Dr. Kendzior made the statement, is backing Kendzior.
    https://twitter.com/JoyAnnReid/status/814885824387018754

    Follow

    Joy ReidVerified account
    ‏@JoyAnnReid Joy Reid Retweeted Sarah Kendzior
    Verified indeed. Sarah said no such thing.Joy Reid added,

    And here’s a link to the clip of her on Joy Ann Reid’s show that includes the statement that has been misquoted:
    https://twitter.com/amjoyshow/status/810143044120940544

    ETA: Regardless, your son does not deserve to be harassed/threatened on social media or in real life for that matter.

  58. 58.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    December 30, 2016 at 10:41 pm

    @EBT: I personally have neither a security clearance nor a pantsuit.

  59. 59.

    chopper

    December 30, 2016 at 10:42 pm

    @Gin & Tonic:

    well then it’s understandable that she’s upset. but the doxxing and threats are the bigger deal here.

  60. 60.

    oklahomo

    December 30, 2016 at 10:42 pm

    @efgoldman: Shit. I am blitzed on cold meds so I am doing good to read, let alone post.

  61. 61.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 30, 2016 at 10:43 pm

    @EBT: Your head has issues.

  62. 62.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 30, 2016 at 10:43 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Its Arkansas, don’t push your luck.

  63. 63.

    Jeffro

    December 30, 2016 at 10:44 pm

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Not sure if this has been posted, but here’s a picture of the incoming POTUS doing a grip-and-grin with a convicted murderer who is holding a Russian flag.

    This is from some media tour King was doing in 2006. But in light of recent new, it’s delicious.

    Hmm…let me think a sec…if China had hacked the RNC and used the hacked emails to slowly drive down GOP turnout/drive ‘both sides’ media coverage and Hillz had won…then Hillz refused to investigate China…THEN Hillz posed with Katy Perry holding a Chinese flag…

    …oh never mind, I’m sure that Republicans would just take it in stride and “move on to bigger and better things”…

  64. 64.

    Gin & Tonic

    December 30, 2016 at 10:44 pm

    @Renie: I have read the article, the transcript your son references as a source, the subsequent Tweetstorms from Kendzior, from your son and from his editor/publisher, and I am not wrong. Your son attributed things to her that she did not say. Writing that “she tried to claim X” is a BS way around that – how can he know what she was *intending*? He couldn’t write “she claimed” because she didn’t actually claim it. He and/or the magazine need to retract that.

  65. 65.

    schrodingers_cat

    December 30, 2016 at 10:45 pm

    @Renie: @Betty Cracker: What BC said.

  66. 66.

    Gin & Tonic

    December 30, 2016 at 10:46 pm

    @Renie:

    But nothing justifies what they are doing to him.

    I agree completely. Nothing justifies what people are doing to Kendzior either, and when your son’s article brings Trumpbots and Putinites out of the woodwork to threaten her, that’s wrong as well.

  67. 67.

    Jeffro

    December 30, 2016 at 10:47 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:

    I am sorry but I disagree with what your son has written.

    Her son sounds like a Bernie Bro. How is “the left” offering no solutions?!? How is focusing on Trump and Russia taking away from those solutions – can’t we walk and chew gum?

    Sheesh. Kendzior’s been awesomely all over Donald Arsonist…more power to her.

  68. 68.

    NotMax

    December 30, 2016 at 10:48 pm

    Horrid thought which just flashed across the frontal lobes:

    Don Boorleone could appoint half the Duggar family to SCOTUS.

  69. 69.

    Juice Box

    December 30, 2016 at 10:53 pm

    @NotMax: I’m going to get a knee replacement next summer thanks to getting in the way of an excited puppy at the dog park many years ago. Sadly, the puppy is now in a box on our mantel.

  70. 70.

    oklahomo

    December 30, 2016 at 10:54 pm

    @Mnemosyne: You should see some of the articles; sometimes there will be 2 or 3 it’s/its mistakes. They use “kids” instead of “children” in some articles, which I find jarring, but that may just be me personally. They use contractions like “could’ve”, which I find even more jarring.

  71. 71.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 30, 2016 at 10:54 pm

    @Renie: No one has said that it was right that he was doxxed and threatened. Many have explicitly stated that it is wrong.

  72. 72.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    December 30, 2016 at 10:55 pm

    @efgoldman: Of course, who doesn’t?

  73. 73.

    EBT

    December 30, 2016 at 10:56 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: And how!

  74. 74.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 30, 2016 at 10:57 pm

    @Jeffro: @schrodingers_cat: @Gin & Tonic:

    @Renie: is concerned for her son. None of us are party to this dispute. I’m pretty sure none of us but Renie knows her son. Regardless of the accuracy of the quotation or how the update/correction has been handled so far, how about we cut Renie (and each other) a little slack. Several of us, including myself, have provided the basic information surrounding the correct quotation in context. We’ve also expressed our concern for her son and indicated that being threatened on social media (or real life) is unacceptable. Let her son, his editor, and Sarah Kendzior resolve the larger dispute at this point rather than speculate on Renie’s son’s political leanings.

  75. 75.

    Gin & Tonic

    December 30, 2016 at 10:57 pm

    @Renie: I agree with you about threats, unreservedly.

    However, I believe your son and his publisher to be dangerously naive and ill-informed about the nature of Russian influence, as a result of which they are unable to understand the difference between what Kendzior wrote and what they say she wrote. Having “kompromat” on someone and being a “KGB sleeper cell operative” are radically different things, which your son and his publisher conflate. Kendzior has lived and worked in an authoritarian, former-Soviet state. She knows what she is talking about. With due respect, I believe your son is over his head on this topic.

  76. 76.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    December 30, 2016 at 10:58 pm

    @EBT: That’s the first time I’ve ever been called, or even imagined to be, stodgy. Woo hoo! Perhaps I’ve been too restrained lately.

    Last month I was called “a total fucking badass” by a 27 year old biology major who is an Afghanistan vet. I don’t think he sees me as stodgy, but he knows me in 3D.

  77. 77.

    Gin & Tonic

    December 30, 2016 at 11:00 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Well, obviously bad timing on my part. Feel free to delete any of my posts which you think are over the line, otherwise I’ll shut up.

  78. 78.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 30, 2016 at 11:00 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): You also know Bootsy. Just sayin’.

  79. 79.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 30, 2016 at 11:00 pm

    @efgoldman: I have worn a kilt and I have a clearance. Usually I’m wearing a suit though. Unless downrange, then usually defense contractor chic.

  80. 80.

    Juice Box

    December 30, 2016 at 11:01 pm

    @EBT: I was reading hyperbole and a half when it was still in black and white.

    Cake wrecks always cheers me up, no matter what country is about to become an authoritarian dictatorship.

  81. 81.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 30, 2016 at 11:02 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): Does he have to wear those glasses they give out at the movie theater when he looks at you?//

  82. 82.

    SiubhanDuinne

    December 30, 2016 at 11:04 pm

    @raven:

    Maybe not so much recently, but when she was younger and spryer, she was a pretty hands-on dog owner from everything I’ve read. Active and engaged in their training (not just the corgis and dorgis — the “pets” — but also the working dogs). Obviously she has staff that the rest of us don’t, but she is said to be very involved in every part of their lives.

  83. 83.

    SiubhanDuinne

    December 30, 2016 at 11:05 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    Cool. What was he like?

  84. 84.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 30, 2016 at 11:06 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: I don’t have any particular problems. I’m not moderating the comments and I don’t think anything needs to deleted. Renie is clearly upset because of the threats to her son, hence her original comment. Just wanted to reinforce that before it gets lost in the shuffle and we make a bad personal situation worse regardless of what should/needs to happen in regard to the actual article her son wrote.

    I didn’t want to single anyone out and I didn’t want to just do a standalone comment, so I replied to as many of us that have responded to Renie as I could find doing a quick scroll up and down the page.

  85. 85.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    December 30, 2016 at 11:06 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: As you note, many here have stated that doxxing and threats are unacceptable behavior, period. I’ll say it again. I don’t care what political opinions the bad actors hold; it’s wrong.

    That’s an entirely distinct issue from the inaccuracy of what was written. I read the sources referenced, and I believe the article to be a misrepresentation of what was written/tweeted, perhaps based on a lack of understanding of nuance. Doxxing and threats are unacceptable under any circumstances, and I understand a parent’s concern in this situation.

  86. 86.

    Jeffro

    December 30, 2016 at 11:07 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: O-k

    @Gin & Tonic: Seconded

    These two comments are not incompatible, just out of order.

  87. 87.

    Mnemosyne

    December 30, 2016 at 11:09 pm

    I finally heard from the Devil Woman tonight and there may finally be some movement towards the Disney World trip with my nieces. Everyone keep their lucky appendages crossed.

    Though I have to say, WTF Silver Airways? You changed the RSW to MCO flight times on me? Good thing I hadn’t purchased the goddamned tickets yet!

  88. 88.

    Mnemosyne

    December 30, 2016 at 11:11 pm

    @efgoldman:

    Don’t ask questions you don’t want an answer to.

  89. 89.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    December 30, 2016 at 11:11 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Thanks for remembering! I think that alone disqualifies me from “stodgy.”

    EBT – I have not a clue about your age or cultural interests. Do you know who Bootsy is?

  90. 90.

    Adam L Silverman

    December 30, 2016 at 11:12 pm

    @Jeffro: No worries, same thing I replied to G&T in comment 104:

    I don’t have any particular problems. I’m not moderating the comments and I don’t think anything needs to deleted. Renie is clearly upset because of the threats to her son, hence her original comment. Just wanted to reinforce that before it gets lost in the shuffle and we make a bad personal situation worse regardless of what should/needs to happen in regard to the actual article her son wrote.

    I didn’t want to single anyone out and I didn’t want to just do a standalone comment, so I replied to as many of us that have responded to Renie as I could find doing a quick scroll up and down the page.

  91. 91.

    debbie

    December 30, 2016 at 11:16 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):

    Bootsy = The best name in all of music.

  92. 92.

    NotMax

    December 30, 2016 at 11:22 pm

    @Mnemosyne

    A little something to bring a smile.

  93. 93.

    debbie

    December 30, 2016 at 11:27 pm

    @efgoldman:

    From bootsycollins.com:

    Bootsy Collins is the Man Who Put Bass In Yer Face — the original funk ‘n’ roll wild child, the Godzilla-toned high minister of the all-powerful.

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    EBT

    December 30, 2016 at 11:30 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): Bootsy the kid who always fucks up the boardgames?

  95. 95.

    Gin & Tonic

    December 30, 2016 at 11:32 pm

    @debbie: I like that his site (correctly, IMO) refers to the “Parliament/Funkadelic empire.”

  96. 96.

    Betty Cracker

    December 30, 2016 at 11:35 pm

    Whoa, Michigan takes the lead! ?

  97. 97.

    Jeffro

    December 30, 2016 at 11:35 pm

    @efgoldman:

    Dave Robichaux’ second wife in the novels by James Lee Burke.

    And JLB is still kicking & still knocking it out of the park, too…”The Jealous Kind” was a real hoot. The last paragraph was eye-watering poetry.

  98. 98.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    December 30, 2016 at 11:36 pm

    @debbie: And he is a genuinely nice man. I always enjoy having a chance to see him.
    @Betty Cracker: Shit. I want them both to lose but I hate Harbaugh.

  99. 99.

    NotMax

    December 30, 2016 at 11:37 pm

    @debbie

    Gotta go with Ish Kabibble.

  100. 100.

    NotMax

    December 30, 2016 at 11:39 pm

    @NotMax

    Close runner-up: Blind Lemon Jefferson.

  101. 101.

    Betty Cracker

    December 30, 2016 at 11:39 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): I’m not fond of either team but generally support whoever is playing FSU. ETA: Damned if FSU isn’t about to tie it up or win w/ less than two minutes remaining!

  102. 102.

    debbie

    December 30, 2016 at 11:43 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):

    I’ve listened to him in interviews and he came across as genuinely kind. I don’t know how he stands seeing through those glasses though.

  103. 103.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    December 30, 2016 at 11:44 pm

    @EBT: LOL.

    @Betty Cracker: Hell of a game.

  104. 104.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 30, 2016 at 11:44 pm

    @EBT: Bassist for James Brown and George Clinton among other endeavors. Example.

  105. 105.

    SiubhanDuinne

    December 30, 2016 at 11:48 pm

    @efgoldman:

    The servant problem, such a bore in these trying times. I’m down to two footmen, one of whom doubles as chauffeur; I now have a combined cook-housekeeper instead of one of each; and the butler demands two half-days off each week.

  106. 106.

    Another Scott

    December 30, 2016 at 11:49 pm

    In other news, Taiwan’s President plans to stop in San Francisco and Houston in January before Obama leaves office. Reuters:

    China is deeply suspicious of Tsai, who it thinks wants to push for the formal independence of Taiwan, a self-governing island that Beijing regards as a renegade province, ineligible for state-to-state relations.

    China’s Foreign Ministry repeated a previous call for the United States not to allow the transit and not send any “wrong signals to Taiwan independence forces”.

    “We think everyone is very clear on her real intentions,” the ministry said, without explaining.

    The United States, which switched diplomatic recognition from Taiwan to China in 1979, has acknowledged the Chinese position that there is only “one China” and that Taiwan is part of it.

    Tsai is transiting through the United States on her way to and from visiting Honduras, Nicaragua, Guatemala and El Salvador. She will leave Taiwan on Jan. 7 and return on Jan. 15.

    Tsai will arrive in Houston on Jan. 7 and leave the following day. On her return, she will arrive in San Francisco on Jan. 13, Presidential Office spokesman Alex Huang told a regular news briefing.

    It’ll be interesting to see how much see she and Trump’s people want to push this before Donnie takes office. Obama is seemingly going to have his hands full until noon on the 20th. :-(

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  107. 107.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 30, 2016 at 11:51 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    and the butler demands two half-days off each week.

    Have him flogged.

  108. 108.

    RobertDSC-Mac Mini

    December 30, 2016 at 11:54 pm

    Jabrill Peppers should be kicked off the Wolverines’ team. Quitting on the day of the biggest game of the season is unacceptable. Even if he was “injured” he still should have played.

    Pathetic.

  109. 109.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 30, 2016 at 11:57 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: And while we are at it, we should have EBT flogged on general principle.

  110. 110.

    Jeffro

    December 31, 2016 at 12:09 am

    @efgoldman: Oh yeah – his Dave Robicheaux books are so atmospheric, it’s incredible. You keep glancing up, expecting to see Spanish moss hanging in your living room. He makes you crave the food and the music and a cold Jax while you’re reading, too.

  111. 111.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 31, 2016 at 12:14 am

    @efgoldman: The second footman was great at footing, but he was more fiddle player than violinost.

  112. 112.

    Jeffro

    December 31, 2016 at 12:18 am

    Btw, since this is an Open Thread: for those not up on why school vouchers are just more giveaways to the wealthy, here’s how Indiana’s voucher program is working out:

    Fully half of all participants never had their kids in public schools anyway. So these vouchers are now covering the cost of private school that folks were already paying for instead of sending their kids to (and taking part in the life of, and advancement of,) the local public schools.

    “The political strategy that voucher supporters have used is to start off small and targeted — low-income families and special-education students — then gradually expand it to more groups,” said Douglas Harris, a Tulane University professor of economics who favors choice but has been critical of DeVos’s free-market approach. “That’s also something the Trump-DeVos team will likely try. The term ‘Trojan horse’ comes to mind.”

  113. 113.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 31, 2016 at 12:19 am

    @efgoldman: Yes, I assume that a star would want to play in a bowl game.

  114. 114.

    Jeffro

    December 31, 2016 at 12:20 am

    @Jeffro: And naturally everyone here can see that the same thing will play out over and over with the Trumpista “Profit First!” crowd…vouchers for Medicare, Medicaid, this new infrastructure scam that’s coming…wholesale looting of the public good and treasury, in order to line the pockets of the 0.1%

  115. 115.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    December 31, 2016 at 12:23 am

    @SiubhanDuinne: We were in a PE class for smaller kids, so we knew each other pretty well. Nice kid.

  116. 116.

    Jeffro

    December 31, 2016 at 12:26 am

    @efgoldman:

    The book I’m talking about – and I’m not sure which it was – I felt like I could smell the flowers and plants.

    Well, his first few are Neon Rain, Heaven’s Prisoners (arguably his best), Black Cherry Blues, A Stained Glass Radiance, and A Morning For Flamingos. But honestly almost all of his Robicheaux books are like that. He talks about the smell of the bayou and fish fries and dive bars and before you know it, you’re gone.

    His recent books have all been based on his ‘colorful’ ancestors and their stories and they’re good, but they’re mostly centered in Texas and just don’t have the kick of the New Orleans/Robicheaux stories.

  117. 117.

    Yarrow

    December 31, 2016 at 12:30 am

    @Another Scott: I heard about the Taiwanese president’s transit visit on NPR. I think no one really knows how it will all work out. Trump is upending longstanding American policy even before he takes office. Can’t imagine what he can do once he’s there.

  118. 118.

    JordanRules

    December 31, 2016 at 12:32 am

    @RobertDSC-Mac Mini: Snark?

    If not then you might want to chill on deciding when\how these college kids should keep sacrificing their bodies.

    That game is not important in the scheme of things and I suspect you know this. Great game tho!!

  119. 119.

    Jeffro

    December 31, 2016 at 12:37 am

    @efgoldman: yes…the last few like Swan Peak and a couple others took place mostly in Montana (where Burke resides full-time now). I thought Glass Rainbow would have made an outstanding end to the Robicheaux books and so with apologies to JLB I kind of consider it to be just that.

    He does check in on his message board almost daily, so feel free to drop him a line if you want. And grab a Robicheaux Dock & Bait Shop hat while you’re at it!

    PS Outside of the Robicheaux books, “Cimmaron Rose” and “White Doves at Morning” are pretty kickass. His two short story collections are great, too.

    PS #2: the Katrina book was Tin Roof Blowdown and you’re right, it captured that tragedy and related issues about as well as anything I’ve ever read

  120. 120.

    Truegster

    December 31, 2016 at 12:38 am

    I’m guess I’m in the minority here, but Jimmy Carter’s military support for Suharto actions in East Timor were immoral. It was basically genocide. It’s not like America was enforcing human rights all across the globe instead of multinational corporate interests (S.America,Africa)during the Carter administration. He does seem really friendly though, nice smile, likes to build houses, yea.

  121. 121.

    Steeplejack (tablet)

    December 31, 2016 at 12:39 am

    @Mnemosyne:

    I don’t know if MeTV shifts for time zones or if it’s already too late, but Bobby Troup was on Perry Mason tonight, “The Case of the Missing Melody” (1961). He plays a jazz drummer named Bongo Jones. Need I say more?

    Jazz great Barney Kessel is the guitarist in the group.

  122. 122.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 31, 2016 at 12:44 am

    @Truegster: Are you trying to start a fight? Bringing up nearly 40 y/o things indicates wanting to start a fight.

    ETA: I have no interest in having that fight. I doubt that anyone else is interested either.

  123. 123.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 31, 2016 at 12:44 am

    @Truegster: every American president does something unconscionable. It comes with the job.

    ETA: also what Omnes said.

  124. 124.

    SectionH

    December 31, 2016 at 12:51 am

    @efgoldman:

    [delurking] not to be confused with Jan Burke (I definitely have to reread the name sometimes to sort out who’s being mentioned.) She’s another good mystery writer. But her setting is San Piedras, CA iirc. (Holy Feet, lol).

    Re New Orleans, I hope you’ve read Confederacy of Dunces. I had a friend who lived in NOLA for many years assure me it was pretty much accurate, under-aggerated the crazy if anything. I’ve visited NOLA scores of times, dealt with natives, and never doubted her assessment.

    We were there a few days this time last year, and I was never so happy to escape from a place in my life, in spite of finding a great restaurant scene in a new(ish, new to me) area.

    eta: oh the Humidity… and 85º in December isn’t normal even in NOLA.

  125. 125.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 31, 2016 at 12:55 am

    @Truegster: You did a drive-by? Fuck you.

  126. 126.

    Steeplejack (tablet)

    December 31, 2016 at 1:04 am

    @oklahomo: @oklahomo:

    Copyediting is dead. Headline on that story: “Arkansas Legislators File Resolutions for Convention of States to Reign in U.S. Government.”

  127. 127.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 31, 2016 at 1:04 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: srsly.

  128. 128.

    SectionH

    December 31, 2016 at 1:13 am

    @Steeplejack (tablet): Absolutely correct.
    We already know which fucking states reign.

  129. 129.

    SectionH

    December 31, 2016 at 1:15 am

    @efgoldman: Uh… I doubt it then. Follow my link. It’s NOT a mystery novel. It’s a fucking brilliant piece Americana.

    Sui generis? Just like NOLA…

  130. 130.

    Steeplejack (tablet)

    December 31, 2016 at 1:25 am

    @EBT:

    Ah, the “I’m the hippest guy in the room” fallacy. That’s a tough one.

  131. 131.

    NotMax

    December 31, 2016 at 1:29 am

    @efgoldman

    Confederacy of Dunces is a fantastic novel by John Kennedy Toole, published posthumously after years of false starts and rejections. He was also posthumously awarded the Pulitzer Prize for fiction for it.

  132. 132.

    Mnemosyne

    December 31, 2016 at 1:30 am

    @efgoldman:

    This is why I’ve been working as a secretary for the last 20 years after my nascent copyediting career got killed by the collapse of the magazine industry in Los Angeles. I could be worse off — Fred Clark of Slacktivist actually was a professional newspaper copy editor for years, and last I heard, his day job was working at Home Depot or a similar big box store.

  133. 133.

    seaboogie

    December 31, 2016 at 1:32 am

    @SiubhanDuinne: efgoldman:

    Corgis can do no wrong.

    A friend of mine who has two might disagree.

    You know The QUEEN?????

    I don’t know about the entirety of the internets, but you totally win this thread, at the very least!

  134. 134.

    Anya

    December 31, 2016 at 1:35 am

    @Adam L Silverman: I am puzzled by these people who decide harassing someone or threatening them is a viable option. I just don’t get it. No matter what someone writes or says, it does not justify harassment or threats.

  135. 135.

    NotMax

    December 31, 2016 at 1:38 am

    @efgoldman

    I asked him straight out if there were any copy editors. His one word answer, “nope.”

    A happenstance both obvious and galling to the vanishing band who take pride in the written word and cherish clear communication.

  136. 136.

    Dog Dawg Damn

    December 31, 2016 at 1:55 am

    @Renie: I love how the CIA, FBI, DHS, DNI, & NSA all calling foul over Russia is somehow a ridiculous theory. This is why we will lose this war. Our side lacks the imagination to call this what it is.

  137. 137.

    Dog Dawg Damn

    December 31, 2016 at 1:57 am

    @Dog Dawg Damn: Although at this point, if you want to dismiss this as a crazy conspiracy theory, I have to question what side you are on.

  138. 138.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 31, 2016 at 2:01 am

    @Dog Dawg Damn: I’d be a bit more sympathetic to the viewpoint if this were being used as evidence supporting a land invasion somewhere, or something like that which would make an Iraq-WMD parallel make any sense at all.

  139. 139.

    Anne Laurie

    December 31, 2016 at 2:03 am

    @EBT: Child, you are so wrong.

  140. 140.

    Steeplejack (tablet)

    December 31, 2016 at 2:23 am

    @SectionH:

    Piedras are stones, pies are feet.

  141. 141.

    Steeplejack (tablet)

    December 31, 2016 at 2:29 am

    @Anne Laurie:

    Link fail. Fixed.

  142. 142.

    SectionH

    December 31, 2016 at 2:29 am

    @Steeplejack (tablet): Fuck me. It’s San Piernas.

    Thank you, and sorry.

  143. 143.

    Steeplejack (tablet)

    December 31, 2016 at 2:40 am

    @SectionH:

    Las Piernas, probably.

  144. 144.

    SectionH

    December 31, 2016 at 2:45 am

    @Steeplejack (tablet): What I said?

  145. 145.

    SectionH

    December 31, 2016 at 2:53 am

    Countdown to 2017:

    https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/newyear?p0=274

  146. 146.

    Steeplejack (tablet)

    December 31, 2016 at 3:00 am

    @SectionH:

    You said San Piernas. The town in the books is Las Piernas, “the legs.”

  147. 147.

    SectionH

    December 31, 2016 at 3:16 am

    @Steeplejack (tablet): You’re totes right. I did talk with her at a Left Coast Crime a few years ago, where she was the GoH, and she did make the feet joke – probably including that the piedras was a real place.
    Not snark to say TY for corrections.

  148. 148.

    EBT

    December 31, 2016 at 4:29 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: Well if you are gonna come on to me…

    And in my defense I was drunk and only thinking internet culture because the last topic was internet culture. Also I may have spent a decade playing brass.

  149. 149.

    laura

    December 31, 2016 at 10:36 am

    @burnspbesq: I can’t even with this year.
    Many tears.
    Sutter was a cheerful chap and loved by many including me.

  150. 150.

    Truegster

    December 31, 2016 at 11:06 am

    In rebuttal to several – Then Reagan gets a pass for what he did. I’m not cool with that. So, unless you can convince me that I’m the hypocritical douche that needs to understand it’s only when Republicans support atrocities that I need to be morally bothered by, then you all win, I concede, Carter’s a great guy.
    Drive-by? Need me to mention what Carter and the U.S. was morally obligated to do for Vietnam after we destroyed? If you want, I can hang like a battleship and lob that all day.
    If you want to know what the point is – I personally don’t live in a post-truth reality and I am discovering that Carter is apparently the line for some of you.
    It’s good to know on my part, whom I’m reading discuss policies and politics, where some of your moral compasses stay and when it shifts.
    Some of you give Carter a pass obviously, I do not. Good to know on a political blog, right?

  151. 151.

    Another Scott

    December 31, 2016 at 11:20 am

    @Truegster: Binary much?

    The world isn’t black and white, and neither are presidents.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  152. 152.

    Truegster

    December 31, 2016 at 11:44 am

    Yeah, therefore Carter isn’t a great guy, so we are in agreement. It would be binary for me to say “Carter good, Reagan bad”. I’m clearly not doing that.
    And Cheers to you Scott, wishing you and yours a Happy New Years

  153. 153.

    Mnemosyne

    December 31, 2016 at 12:56 pm

    @Truegster:

    I think you’re intermixing “great guy” and “great president.” Carter has been a much, much better ex-president doing good works than he was as a one-term president. He was a pretty crappy president who made some really terrible foreign policy mistakes that Reagan picked up and ran with.

    I was raised Catholic, which makes me tend to believe in reform and reconciliation, so I feel that Carter’s bad actions as president in Central America are balanced (but not erased) by his good actions there after he was president. If people can never, ever realize that their actions were bad and take steps to make amends for those actions, then what’s the point of having a society at all? Just let people thrash around doing bad shit without ever having to apologize or explain.

  154. 154.

    Truegster

    December 31, 2016 at 1:30 pm

    @Mnemosyne: I believe in the concept of Truth and Reconciliation, has Carter made any public statements to address, recognize or apologize for that American past? I’m not aware of it. His I/P work doesn’t cover what he was directly responsible for, Truth and Reconciliation isn’t about changing the subject, trying to go out and then fix others wrongs.
    As a fact, he did not make amends with Vietnam in the aftermath.

    I was talking about American Government and most definitely like to separate it from Religious notions of Justice and Repentance. War crimes were committed and laws broken in several countries, many times in South America and that old Catholic Church wasn’t innocent either.
    Remember the letter Archbishop Oscar Romero wrote Carter before he was assassinated?
    It sounds to me that you’re giving him forgiveness when he never asked for it.

  155. 155.

    Another Scott

    December 31, 2016 at 5:48 pm

    @Truegster: Of all the things to be upset about these days, what Carter did in office 35+ years ago seems weird to me. Especially in this thread.

    Carter’s record (good and bad) is not that of some monster.

    FWIW.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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