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You are here: Home / Organizing & Resistance / Don't Mourn, Organize / Tuesday Morning Open Thread: Still Celebrating

Tuesday Morning Open Thread: Still Celebrating

by Anne Laurie|  January 24, 20174:46 am| 285 Comments

This post is in: Don't Mourn, Organize, Open Threads, Women's Rights Are Human Rights, Your Place Is In The Resistance, Daydream Believers

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Utah's #WomensMarch saw 6,000+ people occupy the State Capitol. Possibly biggest protest ever #utpol #utleg pic.twitter.com/VA2rb9w7lK

— Pat Bagley (@Patbagley) January 24, 2017

This is probably my next-to-last batch from BJ commentors, but I’m nowhere near tired of admiring all these Nasty Women (and allies)!

Here in New England we’re getting a nor’easter of freezing sleet — wicked lucky, for January, because if the temps had dropped just a few degrees it would’ve been a foot or more of sodden snow.

What’s the other (preferably) good news on the agenda for the day?

From “Occasional commentor” JCJ:

Pictures from Madison. Driving in it was like football game traffic.


Beloved gardening-and-rescue commentor MaryG:

Just because I am still fired up, here is a picture of Bonnie the Bailbondsperson’s phone number I wrote on my knee, along with bonus concerned cat; my sign, a bit worse for wear after going through narrow doors after the march, but with the names of some of those Juicers unable to march written on it… I am still gobsmacked that hundreds of people showed up and how positive the energy was.

A very cool thing happened. A van full of very young Marines from Camp Pendleton with a door decal about LIBERTY!!! pulled up and everyone on both sides got very tense. The Marines got out and there were a long few seconds of showdown-at-the-OK-Corral silence, then an older woman marcher said Good morning, gentleman! Thank you for your service! Smiles broke out on all sides, thank you, ma’ams were issued and they went into the vape shop. The driver looked extremely disgruntled, especially when I said Nice try, dude, but lame.


(MaryG also included an .mp4 clip, which unfortunately I can’t figure out how to embed here.)

“Longtime reader and occasional commenter” Matryoshka:

Attached are a few photos from Columbia, Missouri… The march was much larger than anyone expected. We were permitted to use only the sidewalk and had to obey traffic lights, but eventually there were so many of us that we took both sides of the street and it still took us 2 hours to walk the 10 blocks or so. My favorite chant of the day was “We want a leader/Not a sleazy tweeter!”



Thanks, y’all!

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  1. 1.

    Morzer

    January 24, 2017 at 4:57 am

    Celebrate – and then get ready for the next fight. Here’s something that Pence will have been salivating over:

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2017/01/23/texas_supreme_court_may_roll_back_same_sex_marriage_rights.html

    Back in September, the Texas Supreme Court refused to review a lower court ruling that cities may not deny married same-sex couples the benefits it provides to opposite-sex couples. That was a sensible decision, since this is an easy question: The U.S. Supreme Court’s same-sex marriage decisions undoubtedly prohibit the government from depriving couples of marriage rights merely because they are gay. Yet the Texas Supreme Court’s inaction prompted outrage from state Republican officials and anti-gay activists, who urged the justices, who are elected, to take the case and allow Texas cities to discriminate against same-sex couples. And on Friday, the court took the first step, caving to Republican demands and agreeing to hear the case in March—a worrying sign that the justices, fearful of a re-election fight, may soon yield to political pressure and roll back marriage equality in Texas.

  2. 2.

    rikyrah

    January 24, 2017 at 5:04 am

    Good Morning,Everyone???

  3. 3.

    rikyrah

    January 24, 2017 at 5:05 am

    @Morzer:
    Uh huh
    Uh huh

  4. 4.

    Baud

    January 24, 2017 at 5:38 am

    @rikyrah: Good morning.

  5. 5.

    Bruce K

    January 24, 2017 at 5:40 am

    On the wrong continent to participate in protests, and the local U.S. Embassy is now sort of enemy territory, but it’s heartening to see how massive the dissent is.

    As for the future: my money is on U.S. Const. amend. XXV § 4 coming into play.

  6. 6.

    JordanRules

    January 24, 2017 at 5:42 am

    Can’t find the tweet now, but I saw it yesterday. It was in reference to 45’s latest claim in front of some Congress folks that he only lost the popular vote due to 3-5 million illegal votes.

    As the 45 conspiracy crew has detailed this fraud having happened in Cali (of course), the tweeter responded by hilariously asking why the sneaky Dems didn’t bother to, ya know, get 80k of those fraudulent votes in the damned states Hillary needed them.

  7. 7.

    Schlemazel

    January 24, 2017 at 6:11 am

    Update from St. Paul:
    The perfect record was blemished, there was an arrest at the march on Saturday. I didn’t witness it but apparently a guy with religious signs confronted a gay man in the march, when marchers told him to take a hike he sprayed them with a chemical irritant. The crackpot was arrested.

    100,000 nasty women and friends with no arrests, 1 good christian arrested, must be persecution.

  8. 8.

    p.a.

    January 24, 2017 at 6:11 am

    Local action is important.

  9. 9.

    Schlemazel

    January 24, 2017 at 6:14 am

    Also, from a friends FB post, a sign that is another winner. It has a drawing of the Cat in the Hat with:
    I do not like you down my shirt
    I do not like you up my skirt
    I do not like you on my rump
    I do not like you Mr. Trump

  10. 10.

    Baud

    January 24, 2017 at 6:28 am

    I realized darkly this morning that one of the reasons the protests were satisfying is that it suggests that despite electing Trump, white people may not yet be ready to go full Rwanda on everyone else. While there is still a long climb up, at least we may not be in freefall anymore.

  11. 11.

    Mustang Bobby

    January 24, 2017 at 6:32 am

    @JordanRules: Not a tweet; an entire article on the claim of “illegals” voting.

  12. 12.

    Quinerly

    January 24, 2017 at 6:32 am

    @JordanRules:
    WAPO has a piece up on it.

  13. 13.

    Yoda Dog

    January 24, 2017 at 6:33 am

    I will never forgive those that voted for this. Never ever ever ever ever. Fuck their reasons, fuck their fellings, fuck every last one of them forever.

  14. 14.

    Quinerly

    January 24, 2017 at 6:37 am

    NPR quite strong out of the box this AM. First 12 minutes of “Morning Edition” pretty brutal on Spicer and Trump. Now strong segment with the ethics lawyers who worked in the Bush and Obama WH.

  15. 15.

    OzarkHillbilly

    January 24, 2017 at 6:38 am

    Yours for $250m: the most expensive house in America

    The aim, Makowsky said in an interview, is shock and awe. “It’s purely emotional. Someone walks through here and thinks, ‘I have to have it’.”

    That’s funny, just reading about it makes me think, “I have to burn it.”

  16. 16.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    January 24, 2017 at 6:39 am

    @Bruce K:

    As for the future: my money is on U.S. Const. amend. XXV § 4 coming into play.

    Made me look. I kind of suspected this is where you were going, but I had to make sure…

    4: Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

    So should we all start muttering ominously about “25th-Amendment Solutions” around our wingnut acquaintances?

  17. 17.

    Baud

    January 24, 2017 at 6:39 am

    @Yoda Dog: If a Trump voter feels true remorse and starts voting for Dems like a yellow dog, I’ll consider forgiveness. I do not support specifically chasing such voters however.

  18. 18.

    Baud

    January 24, 2017 at 6:41 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Designed and priced for Asian buyers.

  19. 19.

    Kay

    January 24, 2017 at 6:43 am

    @JordanRules:

    It’s one of Trump’s lies that could have real world consequences. The GOP base will insist on voting crackdowns. Doesn’t matter that much in California, because they have a Dem governor but it matters a lot in the states with GOP governors and there are a lot of states with GOP governors.

    I wish there were some national plan on this. It’s a huge job. You basically have to replicate a state-like structure to protect voting rights with a privately-funded effort. If the state actors at the federal and state level won’t do their jobs on voting rights or are actively opposed to voting rights then some private org has to fill that role. You’ll need a lot of them. They will be doing the work of a whole section of the DOJ and state-level elections people in GOP states.

  20. 20.

    amk

    January 24, 2017 at 6:44 am

    @Baud: now if only the dem cong critters caught up with this huge momentum instead of just rubber stamping the thug’s nominated thugs. do they have a complete amnesia of last 8 years?

  21. 21.

    OzarkHillbilly

    January 24, 2017 at 6:45 am

    This headline at the Guardian made me laugh: Is punching Richard Spencer inciting violence or ‘American as apple pie’?

    Ummm, it IS violence, which as a matter of fact is as American as apple pie.

  22. 22.

    Baud

    January 24, 2017 at 6:45 am

    @amk: I’m fairly happy with our Congress critters so far.

  23. 23.

    Baud

    January 24, 2017 at 6:48 am

    @Kay: They were going to do that anyway.

  24. 24.

    amk

    January 24, 2017 at 6:51 am

    @Baud: not feeling it.

  25. 25.

    Yoda Dog

    January 24, 2017 at 6:52 am

    @Baud: (sigh) I agree with you as always, Mr. Cool Head. My anger at these people right now is at a 10. I try to keep it to an 8 with varying results.

  26. 26.

    bemused

    January 24, 2017 at 6:53 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Me too! I read that Americans are about as happy as they get making about $70,000 a year. Above that, more money doesn’t change or increase your happiness. I’ve always thought that filthy rich people who will never be able to spend the money they already have, are secure and their kids and grandkids will be financially secure but still want more, more, more money have a mental illness. They are money collectors and hoarders similar to the crazy cat hoarders who can’t give up their 100 plus cats that keep breeding and keep taking in more stray cats.

  27. 27.

    amk

    January 24, 2017 at 6:53 am

    Brexit: Supreme Court says Parliament must give Article 50 go-ahead.

    looks like limeys have at least a few higher institutions still working.

  28. 28.

    Kay

    January 24, 2017 at 6:55 am

    @Baud:

    It could be much, much worse. Trump appoints US attorneys. We’ve already seen this. Voter suppression was the reason Bush had a US attorney scandal. Gonzales had to resign for 2 reasons- US attorney purge and warrantless spying. It was so bad he had to resign. They purged the USA’s who wouldn’t go along with voter witch hunts.

  29. 29.

    Baud

    January 24, 2017 at 6:56 am

    @amk: Interesting story. Thanks.

  30. 30.

    Baud

    January 24, 2017 at 6:59 am

    @Kay: It will be worse this time.

  31. 31.

    Kay

    January 24, 2017 at 7:05 am

    I had a 24 year old young man make an appointment with me yesterday to ask if he should run for the statehouse. I thought it was very nice of him to make an appointment- it said “politics” after his name on my calendar so good for him for being so straight-forward :)

    Anyway, he presented very well, earnest and serious, so I encouraged him to run and said we would help him if he decided to. I don’t know if he was inspired by the womens march but all that positive energy can’t hurt.

    He has no experience but either does the current holder of the job- a young Republican- he was promoted because his mother is a judge and because the other GOP option was literally a criminal.

  32. 32.

    Baud

    January 24, 2017 at 7:07 am

    @Kay: The president has no experience either, so it’s all good.

    I feel like a punk for working hard to get good at my job.

  33. 33.

    bemused

    January 24, 2017 at 7:07 am

    I haven’t forgotten those US Attorneys, several Republican, who were targeted for not going along with voter “fraud” lies. A bunch of young “Christian” Republicans were hired out of Liberty U or some fundie university. I remember one blonde girl but not her name testifying during a hearing she swore an oath to her president and was corrected by Dem that you swear oath to Constitution, not a president.

  34. 34.

    Kay

    January 24, 2017 at 7:09 am

    @Baud:

    Media waved away the US attorney scandal. It was a different time though- they don’t promote GOP claims of voter fraud the way they used to. It flipped about 2012.

    I love Talking Points Memo for that one reason- they pursued the US attorney scandal when major media waved it away and it was actually huge- Gonzales resigned.

  35. 35.

    Morzer

    January 24, 2017 at 7:11 am

    @bemused:

    Was that Monica Goodling?

  36. 36.

    Sam

    January 24, 2017 at 7:13 am

    I used data to look at red/blue states, determined by the last election. One thing jumped out: red states get about $1.20 in federal spending for every dollar spent in blue states. When the president cuts back federal spending, unless he targets it carefully (he won’t), the red states are going to suffer.

    Both red and blue contribute about the same amount of revenue. Blue GDP is higher per capita by almost 27%. So 2 remarkable facts: the blue states contribute substantially more to GDP (27% more) on a per-capita basis and red states are on the dole. But freedom….

  37. 37.

    OzarkHillbilly

    January 24, 2017 at 7:16 am

    @bemused: There is a reason I hate the rich.

  38. 38.

    debbie

    January 24, 2017 at 7:17 am

    @Quinerly:

    Now strong segment with the ethics lawyers who worked in the Bush and Obama WH.

    Not just any ethics lawyers. They’re the lawyers suing Trump for conflicts of interest. They’ve been adamant about his violations for months now.

  39. 39.

    Kay

    January 24, 2017 at 7:17 am

    @Baud:

    Well, we need people to run and it has to be younger people or retirees because no one else can take a year off and go to fairs and parades and events full time. Running for a state legislature is horrible.

  40. 40.

    Yoda Dog

    January 24, 2017 at 7:19 am

    @amk: What the fuck are they doing up there?!! Seeing only 8 no’s for Tillerson was maybe the most depressing thing I’ve seen all week which is really saying alot given this past week. Im ready to fight, dammit! Where the hell are my representatives and what possible good does it do to help them install tillerson, sessions, devos etc?? I dont get it. I never do, these days, it seems…

  41. 41.

    OzarkHillbilly

    January 24, 2017 at 7:20 am

    @Baud: There are 2 ways to succeed in this world: Get good at your job, be born rich. I whiffed on the birth option, had to go the other route.

  42. 42.

    Baud

    January 24, 2017 at 7:21 am

    @Kay: Agree. Tell this young man he has Baud!’s support.

  43. 43.

    rikyrah

    January 24, 2017 at 7:21 am

    @Yoda Dog:
    Tell the truth

  44. 44.

    Morzer

    January 24, 2017 at 7:22 am

    @Yoda Dog:

    I think it sums up a lot of the reasons people don’t trust the Democrats any longer. They’ve become much too comfortable with the rich and greedy.

  45. 45.

    Baud

    January 24, 2017 at 7:23 am

    @Yoda Dog:

    What the fuck are they doing up there?!! Seeing only 8 no’s for Tillerson was maybe the most depressing thing I’ve seen all week which is really saying alot given this past week

    Maybe you should learn to stop reflexively hating Dems and read more closely. That was a committee vote and all the Dems voted against.

  46. 46.

    Kay

    January 24, 2017 at 7:24 am

    @Yoda Dog:

    I’ll be surprised if DeVos gets a single Democratic vote. Her job prior to this one was opposing Democrats in Michigan. That’s 90% of what she did- work to defeat Democrats. Occasionally she would branch out to work to defeat moderate Republicans or people who wouldn’t take orders. She’s no more an “educational expert” than I am. She’s a political operative and has been for 30 years.

  47. 47.

    bystander

    January 24, 2017 at 7:25 am

    @Bruce K: I am more of the mind that Trumputin gets nailed with the Emoluments Clause.

    Suit has already been filed, but I’m wondering about standing of the petitioner. Anyway, thinking that Pence or the repubs are going to do anything to rein in Trumputin flew out the window yesterday when he scuttled TPP to a peepless audience. The one thing they were willing to work with Obama on was the trade deal, and he just took a big dump on it.

    My real hope was that all his fans at CIA would have prepared a nice big cup of tea for Fearless Leader, but alas.

  48. 48.

    Baud

    January 24, 2017 at 7:26 am

    @Morzer: And I don’t trust people who refuse to trust Dems. Quite a conundrum.

  49. 49.

    OzarkHillbilly

    January 24, 2017 at 7:27 am

    @Yoda Dog:

    One of Donald Trump’s most important and precarious cabinet picks, former oil executive Rex Tillerson as secretary of state, was narrowly approved by a Senate committee on Monday as the last Republican holdout in the upper chamber declared his support.

    Tillerson is widely expected to win confirmation from the full Senate when his confirmation goes to a vote, expected next week, after its foreign affairs committee voted 11-10 along party lines to support him.

    Every Dem voted against him. What more would you have them do, shoot him?

  50. 50.

    bemused

    January 24, 2017 at 7:27 am

    @Morzer:

    Yes, I hadn’t gotten around to googling yet.

  51. 51.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    January 24, 2017 at 7:27 am

    @Kay:

    Demand UN voting rights monitors in GOO held states.

  52. 52.

    Yoda Dog

    January 24, 2017 at 7:27 am

    @Baud: Ahhh ok, the whole Senate didnt vote on them? Then my mistake.

    You can chill on me reflexively hating on Dems though. Thats not fair or true. To the extent that they’re working with the goddamn enemy, I will continue to watch and keep score by god.

  53. 53.

    Ben Cisco

    January 24, 2017 at 7:28 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Punching Nazis is an established American tradition. Cap didn’t have a problem with it.

  54. 54.

    Yoda Dog

    January 24, 2017 at 7:30 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Ok my bad, entirely. I was confused, I thought the whole senate was voting. Go easy on me, please. These are heady times and its alot to parse.

  55. 55.

    Applejinx

    January 24, 2017 at 7:30 am

    You call my representative ‘Wilmer’, and I also like Warren.

    Examine those ‘nos’. How do you like your ‘Wilmer’ now?

    (edit: can’t bloody find who voted on what before the edit window expires, but I’ve seen vote records with my Senator voting against confirmation of Trumpists)

  56. 56.

    debbie

    January 24, 2017 at 7:31 am

    When he swore Price in, Pence thanked the assembled HHS employees for their service. WTF army are they in?

  57. 57.

    bemused

    January 24, 2017 at 7:31 am

    @Morzer:

    Yes. I hadn’t gotten to the google yet.

    That reminds me of facetime with our 3 year old granddaughter who was singing a verse from movie, Sing, she watched. I asked her if it was a new movie or on cable so her grandparents could watch it and she said, “Google it”.

  58. 58.

    Kay

    January 24, 2017 at 7:33 am

    But late Friday, Above the Law reported that John M. Gore, a partner at the law firm Jones Day, would be assuming that position. (The firm had posted an announcement of the appointment to its website).
    Gore does boast some expertise in civil-rights litigation — specifically, he has considerable experience defending the Republican Party against allegations that its voting laws violate civil rights.
    As BuzzFeed notes, Gore defended controversial redistricting plans pushed by Republicans in Florida, New York, and South Carolina in 2012.
    He also defended Florida governor Rick Scott’s attempt to purge his state’s voting rolls of non-citizens, shortly before the 2012 election. A federal court later ruled that Scott’s measure had violated the National Voter Registration Act, as it purged many legal voters from the rolls, most of whom happened to belong to left-leaning constituencies.

    I’d look at it as if you have to hire people privately to protect voting rights because none of the Trump people will be doing that part of their job. It’s a full time job. They’ll have to be paid.

    His administration will be an absolute disaster on voting rights. I believe that if there’s ever actual fighting between Left and Right it will be around voter suppression because voting against these people is all the public has. Take that away and it’ll get serious.

  59. 59.

    Baud

    January 24, 2017 at 7:33 am

    @Yoda Dog: If you are keeping score, here are the 11 Dems who voted against Kelly for Homeland Security:

    Blumenthal (D-CT)
    Booker (D-NJ)
    Cortez Masto (D-NV)
    Gillibrand (D-NY)
    Harris (D-CA)
    Heinrich (D-NM)
    Merkley (D-OR)
    Udall (D-NM)
    Van Hollen (D-MD)
    Warren (D-MA)
    Wyden (D-OR)

    ETA: Gillibrand is the only Senator to vote against Mattis for Sec. Def.

  60. 60.

    Quinerly

    January 24, 2017 at 7:35 am

    @debbie:
    Yes, they have been everywhere as a team as of late. I think at least one NPR show and at least one MSNBC show a week since election day. I enjoyed Terry Gross’s show the other day re how they met. They are the new “Barack and Joe Bromance.”

  61. 61.

    Baud

    January 24, 2017 at 7:36 am

    Here are the 32 Dems to vote against Pompeo for CIA:

    Baldwin (D-WI)
    Bennet (D-CO)
    Booker (D-NJ)
    Brown (D-OH)
    Cantwell (D-WA)
    Cardin (D-MD)
    Carper (D-DE)
    Casey (D-PA)
    Coons (D-DE)
    Cortez Masto (D-NV)
    Duckworth (D-IL)
    Durbin (D-IL)
    Franken (D-MN)
    Gillibrand (D-NY)
    Harris (D-CA)
    Heinrich (D-NM)
    Hirono (D-HI)
    Leahy (D-VT)
    Markey (D-MA)
    Menendez (D-NJ)
    Merkley (D-OR)
    Murray (D-WA)
    Nelson (D-FL)
    Paul (R-KY)
    Peters (D-MI)
    Sanders (I-VT)
    Stabenow (D-MI)
    Tester (D-MT)
    Udall (D-NM)
    Van Hollen (D-MD)
    Warren (D-MA)
    Wyden (D-OR)

  62. 62.

    TS

    January 24, 2017 at 7:36 am

    @Yoda Dog: I endorse your position on the issue.

  63. 63.

    Kay

    January 24, 2017 at 7:36 am

    @debbie:

    He’s probably worried that he and Trump spent months trashing public employees as dumb and unqualified and over-paid and now they’re dependent on those same people for their success.

    It’s just dumb to start a new job and alienate everyone who works there, everyone who knows what they’re doing, but Trump is dumb.

    Trump is more dependent on career employees than anyone. They all have to pretend he knows what he’s doing and cover his ass.

  64. 64.

    Yoda Dog

    January 24, 2017 at 7:37 am

    @Baud: (goes, sits quietly in corner)

  65. 65.

    OzarkHillbilly

    January 24, 2017 at 7:39 am

    @Yoda Dog: There is a lot of “I think it sums up a lot of the reasons people don’t trust the Democrats any longer.” going around lately. Dems are guilty of caving to the Republican steamroller before the asphalt is even in the hopper. It gets tiresome. And yes, I am a little irritable these days. Why do you ask?

  66. 66.

    danielx

    January 24, 2017 at 7:39 am

    @Morzer:

    Was that Monica Goodling?

    Aye, the very same!

  67. 67.

    TS

    January 24, 2017 at 7:39 am

    @Kay: I believe this is one of the areas that President Obama has said he will be working in.

  68. 68.

    debbie

    January 24, 2017 at 7:39 am

    @Kay:

    Trump’s about to meet with auto executives. He’ll doubtless show how he depends on them.

  69. 69.

    Bruce K

    January 24, 2017 at 7:39 am

    @bystander: Well, the cheeto is almost certainly in breach of the Emoulments Clause, but the remedy for that is impeachment by the House and trial by the Senate, and I don’t have much faith that the 115th Congress is going to follow through on that front. (If the November 2018 elections flip control of the House and Senate – knock on wood – the 116th Congress will be a different matter, but I don’t know if that’s a safe bet.)

    Given what’s going on five days into the new administration, I’m still putting my money on the cheeto breaking down so completely that Pence and cohorts feel they have no choice but to invoke Section 4. I’m scared to death of what the collateral damage is going to be, though.

  70. 70.

    Applejinx

    January 24, 2017 at 7:41 am

    People seem to like Mattis and to some extent Kelly. ‘Wilmer’ did. I think Adam Silverman likes ’em as well. It’s a fair question whether we need to become an absolute brick wall in opposition to a personality who probably won’t survive long, and in so doing tear down a system that a lot of people around here think works great (as long as Trump isn’t President).

    I’m open to the burn-everything point of view, but my Senator ‘Wilmer’ is not: he wants to pick and choose and strengthen our position, as if all is not already lost. Would be nice if all isn’t as lost as it seems.

  71. 71.

    p.a.

    January 24, 2017 at 7:41 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Every Dem voted against him. What more would you have them do, shoot him?

    Is that rhetorical?

  72. 72.

    Kay

    January 24, 2017 at 7:42 am

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:

    I would go in exactly the opposite direction. If you’re in Alabama hire a local lawyer who works in the affected county and then have the best election process lawyer in each state as a supervisor/team lead. Challenge at the county level (Bd of Elections and county judges) and then state level and then federal court- at the same time, all three.

  73. 73.

    Iowa Old Lady

    January 24, 2017 at 7:42 am

    They all have to pretend he knows what he’s doing and cover his ass.

    Or not. If they’re angry enough.

  74. 74.

    Baud

    January 24, 2017 at 7:42 am

    @p.a.: OzarkHillbilly = Madonna.

  75. 75.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    January 24, 2017 at 7:43 am

    @danielx:

    I did this piece a zillion years ago, showing that it was even worse than imagined, the pipeline in to DOJ.

    Goodling a product of Messiah College and Regent U, and a bunch of connects to the FRC.

    They were coming in via Jim David (then an assistant attorney general) and some dimwit at OPM. It was like a firehose of theodicy and incompetence.

  76. 76.

    Yoda Dog

    January 24, 2017 at 7:43 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Oh man Im so irritable too. I just want to see us fight and not roll over. It was quite relieving, actually, to have you guys correct me on Tillerson.

  77. 77.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    January 24, 2017 at 7:44 am

    @Kay:

    There is a humiliation factor with the observers, though.

  78. 78.

    ThresherK

    January 24, 2017 at 7:45 am

    @Ben Cisco: Neat take on that from web cartoonist extraordiare David Willis.

  79. 79.

    Baud

    January 24, 2017 at 7:46 am

    @Yoda Dog: The problem is that if you believed the fake news, chances are many, many others believe it as well, and they are not here to have us correct them. And this is exactly the reason we lost the election.

  80. 80.

    Kay

    January 24, 2017 at 7:46 am

    @debbie:

    Did you see yesterday they wouldn’t say the unemployment rate? They’ll corrupt all those numbers. The data the federal government collects and reports will no longer be reliable.

    I have no sympathy. It was plain Trump is a liar. He hires liars. Big shocker. Just pitch anything they say in the trash. It’ll all be bullshit. There isn’t one of them who has told the truth about anything for months and that isn’t going to change. He hires people who are just like him.

  81. 81.

    danielx

    January 24, 2017 at 7:47 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    And yes, I am a little irritable these days.

    You’re not alone in that – I gotta get BP meds adjusted, in part because I’m simmering in low grade irritation all the time.

  82. 82.

    p.a.

    January 24, 2017 at 7:48 am

    @Baud: Unhinged Democrats for an unhinged time. ?

  83. 83.

    OzarkHillbilly

    January 24, 2017 at 7:48 am

    @p.a.: :-)

  84. 84.

    debbie

    January 24, 2017 at 7:49 am

    @Kay:

    And it’s only been 3 days!

  85. 85.

    Quinerly

    January 24, 2017 at 7:50 am

    TPM has a nice piece up summarizing the WAPO and NYT pieces on the WH leaking. Seems the new president was bored over the weekend and watched tv. Aides are trying to keep him from doing that again. It upsets him.

    This ain’t going to last 6 months.

  86. 86.

    Yoda Dog

    January 24, 2017 at 7:50 am

    @Baud: No, I didnt believe any fake news though. I never read or looked at anything that lied about the votes. I just didnt look into it deeply enough and assumed the whole senate voted when they hadnt. Im still on total blackout and almost never get out of the BJ-boat. A poster here (you, maybe?) put up the votes against Tillerson and I just saw single digits and jumped to conclusions.

    ETA: Whether or not Im not guilty of buying fake news, your point still holds of course.

  87. 87.

    OzarkHillbilly

    January 24, 2017 at 7:52 am

    @Baud: I am no where near that good looking (while I don’t have her range, my voice isn’t half bad tho)

  88. 88.

    Iowa Old Lady

    January 24, 2017 at 7:54 am

    @Quinerly: I just read that. Holy cow. It’s even worse than I thought, and I didn’t think that was possible.

  89. 89.

    Quinerly

    January 24, 2017 at 7:55 am

    @Kay:
    Saw that. Spicer is a weasel. Can’t belief he has a Navy background. He’s going to crack at the podium. Can’t keep the numbers and the lies straight. It’s obvious he can’t handle the job.

  90. 90.

    bemused

    January 24, 2017 at 7:58 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Filthy rich ceo lobbying groups like Pete Peterson Foundation and The Business Roundtable are so concerned that SS and Medicare are going broke they want to raise the eligibility age and do cuts to make it “sustainable”. I try asking republicans when I get the chance, why these billionaires formed groups years ago to “reform” SS/Medicare, privatize them. Why are they so focused on SS/Medicare? How does it benefit them? I point out the trust fund money and that maybe, just maybe, they want to get their paws on all that money. It’s like talking to statues.

    One republican close to collecting SS said he would accept some means testing if it would mean keeping the program solvent. They are so willing to believe that irresponsible moochers on government assistance are draining US coffers so less SS/Medicare for people who actually worked hard and deserve it but not even entertain the thought that billionaire takers want to grab it all.

  91. 91.

    Patricia Kayden

    January 24, 2017 at 7:59 am

    @Yoda Dog: Democratic politicians are simply not as angry and ready to fight as the rank and file. I don’t expect much from them. That way I’m not constantly bitterly disappointed by their lethargy and inaction.

    Republicans were obstructionists for the entirety of President Obama’s eight years. You would think that Dems would have no problem treating someone as odious as Trump in the same fashion.

  92. 92.

    Quinerly

    January 24, 2017 at 7:59 am

    @Iowa Old Lady:
    I had read both pieces but the TPM piece is excellent at distilling them. Who do we think is leaking the embarrassing stuff and what does that person hope to accomplish? Within a month, I bet we hear something personal about his relationship with Melania. It would be irresponsible not to speculate. Let’s talk amongst ourselves.?

  93. 93.

    p.a.

    January 24, 2017 at 8:02 am

    @efgoldman:

    We may be little

    I’m pissed about that collapsing ice sheet’s size being compared to Delaware. Delaware! WE’RE the standard for that kind of thing. Not some second-smallest piss-ant state.

  94. 94.

    Iowa Old Lady

    January 24, 2017 at 8:03 am

    @Quinerly: Press Secretary seems to be a tough job anyway. Even in a normal administration, they’re often the first to leave.

    ETA: Did you see Charlie Pierce’s piece on how Ford’s Press Secretary resigned because he’d been put out front for a month assuring the press that no pardon of Nixon was in the works? He and Ford were personal friends but he resigned over being lied to and then ruining his own credibility by passing the lie along.

  95. 95.

    OzarkHillbilly

    January 24, 2017 at 8:03 am

    @bemused: I’m pretty sure they are in on the scam and just avoiding the question because they don’t want to admit that their “alternative” is nothing more than a Wall Street slush fund.

  96. 96.

    Quinerly

    January 24, 2017 at 8:06 am

    Fun piece on Axios “The Trump Show: New Drama.” Trump doesn’t like the color of Spicer’s suits. Spicer found a new suit for yesterday’s presser. Is Trump tweeting this AM yet? He’s had time to read the papers and a few blogs.?

  97. 97.

    Baud

    January 24, 2017 at 8:09 am

    @Patricia Kayden:

    Republicans were obstructionists for the entirety of President Obama’s eight years. You would think that Dems would have no problem treating someone as odious as Trump in the same fashion.

    This is not accurate. Republicans were strategic, especially in the first two years when they were in the minority.

    Clinton was confirmed for SoS by a 98-2 vote.
    Napalitano was confirmed to DHS by a voice vote.
    Obama asked Gates to stay on for a little while, so there was no vote in 2009.

  98. 98.

    Quinerly

    January 24, 2017 at 8:09 am

    @Iowa Old Lady:
    I think Josh Ernest was there from the beginning and he was excellent. Spicer is going to be voted off the island (oops, wrong show). Trump wanted a women in the position anyway. Honestly, I don’t remember Spicer being this bad when he was in relatively the same position at the RNC.

  99. 99.

    bemused

    January 24, 2017 at 8:14 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Naw, I’m talking about Republicans who make less than six figures or not much more. As one wrote to local paper, “Democrats saying Republicans are going to take away Social Security, Medicare and our schools is nothing but the big lie they use election after election to fool the ill-informed”.
    If any liberal or someone that smells like a liberal to them, they have a knee-jerk reaction that they’re lying or dupes of the Democratic party.

  100. 100.

    Peale

    January 24, 2017 at 8:14 am

    @Kay: on January 31, several census sites are due to go down for maintenance. To be on the safe side, we probably want to grab some of the data (can’t grab it all) to make sure when it comes back up it’s still the same.

  101. 101.

    Quinerly

    January 24, 2017 at 8:14 am

    @Iowa Old Lady:
    Yes, real tough job. Read that it can be the highest paid job in the WH behind the president. Think the range is around $130,000 to $175,000. Has anybody looked up what Bannon and Conway are getting? Apparently she’s in Valerie Jarrett’s old office and Trump has to walk up steps to get to her.

  102. 102.

    Yoda Dog

    January 24, 2017 at 8:17 am

    @Baud: Damn man, I dont know how you and some others keep track of all this shit over so many years, but you guys are awesome. I feel like I actually learn stuff here, imagine that…

  103. 103.

    Baud

    January 24, 2017 at 8:19 am

    @Yoda Dog: I didn’t keep track of it. I looked it up.

  104. 104.

    amk

    January 24, 2017 at 8:20 am

    @Baud: other than those they ought to be confirmed cases, what else you got? rethugs made every admin nominee process as poisonous as they could and they got away with it.

  105. 105.

    bemused

    January 24, 2017 at 8:20 am

    @Quinerly:

    Ernest is my favorite press secretary. I enjoyed his sly snark moments and will miss that.

  106. 106.

    MomSense

    January 24, 2017 at 8:24 am

    Ice storm here. Everything is coated in ice and it’s still coming down. So glad I had the huge pine tree next to my house taken down because this is the kind of ice that will bring trees down.

  107. 107.

    Quinerly

    January 24, 2017 at 8:24 am

    @efgoldman:
    Agreed. He’s in over his head and Trump doesn’t like his suits. And we know Trump knows the ends and outs of male fashion.?

  108. 108.

    Baud

    January 24, 2017 at 8:25 am

    @amk: I’m not going to go through the either 8 year history of Obama appointees. My point is the GOP didn’t engage in maximal obstruction, they engaged in strategic obstruction. And it got worse as time went by because voters only rewarded them for it.

    Will voters reward Dems for engaging in strategic obstruction? Probably not. GOP voters will hate it, and, judging by this thread, Dem voters will say it’s not enough and stay home.

  109. 109.

    danielx

    January 24, 2017 at 8:26 am

    @Quinerly:

    Six months? That may be an optimistic estimate, considering what’s happened in the last three days. The picture presented by the TPM article and the original three articles upon which it is based show a man whose psychological issues go way, way beyond Nixonian. From the Politico article….

    One person who frequently talks to Trump said aides have to push back privately against his worst impulses in the White House, like the news conference idea, and have to control information that may infuriate him. He gets bored and likes to watch TV, this person said, so it is important to minimize that.

    I read that and my reaction was “what the fuck?”. It sounds like dealing with a nine year old child afflicted with both Tourette’s and autism: ‘we have to lessen the factors which exacerbate his condition’.

    From WaPo:

    …he feels demoralized that the public’s perception of his presidency so far does not necessarily align with his own sense of accomplishment.

    Well, no great surprise there. No single human being could have a greater sense of accomplishment for less reason. All three sources use terms like ‘furious’, ‘rage’, ‘angry’, ‘sense of injury’. If he’s enraged by criticism and lack of praise at three days into his presidency, what will he be like after (inevitably) he fumbles some crisis with serious consequences? Especially if, as seems increasingly likely, it becomes evident that he was manipulated (by Putin, the Chinese, anybody) into royally screwing the pooch, with no possibility of evading responsibility. He is in a position where he will not be able to say something didn’t happen or if it did, someone else was responsible.

    His own staff has to manipulate him now, just to keep him from going totally off his rails and declaring war on his perceived enemies. Enemies other than the media, with whom he’s already stated he’s at war. Things are not going to get better, and he is going to become more flaky with every passing day.

  110. 110.

    Baud

    January 24, 2017 at 8:26 am

    @MomSense: Those are the worst. Stay safe.

  111. 111.

    OzarkHillbilly

    January 24, 2017 at 8:28 am

    @bemused: Got it.

  112. 112.

    manyakitty

    January 24, 2017 at 8:28 am

    @Kay: Are you near Cincinnati? PG Sittenfeld gives me hope for the future of Ohio Dems.

  113. 113.

    Yoda Dog

    January 24, 2017 at 8:29 am

    @Baud: Yea but you had to have some doubt to look it up in the first place. I thought they were just burning shit down back in ’09 too. Anyways, good on you. Ill shut up and listen now.

  114. 114.

    Quinerly

    January 24, 2017 at 8:30 am

    @danielx:
    I go back and forth on my predictions on time lines. All over the place yesterday. My guess is they might stop the briefings for awhile and let the clock tick. Who the hell knows? It’s all so surreal that people voted for this. Those three pieces plus Josh’s piece are brutal.

  115. 115.

    Peale

    January 24, 2017 at 8:30 am

    What happened to moving the embassy to Jerusalem? I thought that was supposed to be yesterday. Maybe Trump was too tired to put in a full day?

  116. 116.

    Baud

    January 24, 2017 at 8:33 am

    @Yoda Dog: Sorry if I was hard on you. You made an honest mistake. I’m just tired of all the dishonest “mistakes” that are floating out there.

  117. 117.

    danielx

    January 24, 2017 at 8:33 am

    @Quinerly:

    Loved a comment from Omnes Omnibus last evening:

    Dear God, it’s like watching I, Claudius performed by morons.

  118. 118.

    MomSense

    January 24, 2017 at 8:35 am

    @Baud:

    Thanks. We are staying in today.

  119. 119.

    Quinerly

    January 24, 2017 at 8:37 am

    @danielx:
    Saw that this morning when I was catching up with comments. Love you guys! Lurked here since the Bush Adm. Only recently commenting. Feel like I know some of you personally!

  120. 120.

    OzarkHillbilly

    January 24, 2017 at 8:37 am

    @Baud:

    Dem voters will say it’s not enough and stay home.

    A little too much truth to this for comfort.

  121. 121.

    Quinerly

    January 24, 2017 at 8:39 am

    @Peale:
    He had tv watching to catch up on. They taped some “Apprentice” episodes for him and heated his milk bottle

  122. 122.

    amk

    January 24, 2017 at 8:41 am

    @Baud:

    GOP didn’t engage in maximal obstruction

    They almost took US to default and credit downgrade. The worst possible maximal obstruction.

  123. 123.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    January 24, 2017 at 8:41 am

    The rain(and hail) finally stopped and sky cleared.

  124. 124.

    Baud

    January 24, 2017 at 8:42 am

    @amk: No, the worst possible maximal obstruction would have been to actually default.

  125. 125.

    amk

    January 24, 2017 at 8:42 am

    @Baud: thank god for small mercies.

  126. 126.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    January 24, 2017 at 8:43 am

    57 years of sunrises.

  127. 127.

    Baud

    January 24, 2017 at 8:45 am

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Nice.

  128. 128.

    OzarkHillbilly

    January 24, 2017 at 8:46 am

    @danielx: Bullseye.

  129. 129.

    Schlemazel

    January 24, 2017 at 8:46 am

    New Pew Research data out on energy choices. 65% of Americans want priority given to developing alternative energy, 27% want priority given to fossil fuels

  130. 130.

    amk

    January 24, 2017 at 8:47 am

    chinese are sabre rattling.

  131. 131.

    danielx

    January 24, 2017 at 8:51 am

    @Quinerly:

    To know us is to loathe us.

  132. 132.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    January 24, 2017 at 8:52 am

    @Baud: Thanks. How about so Southern CA snow?

  133. 133.

    danielx

    January 24, 2017 at 8:53 am

    @amk:

    From me, myself and I: I am so fucking prescient I scare myself.

    Alternatively, someone will inform him of something he doesn’t want to hear, or ignores, or blows off, or just forgets about ten minutes after the meeting…and in consequence, people die, maybe a whole hell of a lot of them. We’ve seen this movie before: “Bin Laden determined to strike US”…”okay, you’ve covered your ass”. Or he decides to do some Trump-style dick waving and send a carrier battle group within a hundred miles of a PLA naval base in defiance of a Chinese warning that doing so will be considered an act of war. (The usual diplomatic letter indicating “grave concern”, which as I understand it is the phraseology used when a country is ready, willing and able, if not eager, to do something very unpleasant to a perceived enemy.) The Chinese fire, say, fifty antiship ballistic missiles (saturate the defenses, right?) and the carrier battle group gets wiped out at the cost of 20,000 or so American sailors and Marines. Fun, no? There are reasons for the diplomatic niceties with which Trump appears to be so impatient, niceties worked out over a long period of time and designed to allow countries to step back from the brink without losing (much) face. He is completely ignorant of the reasons for them and contemptuous in the bargain.

  134. 134.

    SFAW

    January 24, 2017 at 8:53 am

    It was brought up yesterday, didn’t see any useful answer, but I haven’t checked every thread:

    Do we know that Amir is OK? (Given the month-long radio silence.) I’m hoping he just decided to take a break.

  135. 135.

    FlipYrWhig

    January 24, 2017 at 8:56 am

    @Applejinx: Christ almighty. If he had voted against them, I guarantee your fanatical ass would be saying that his principled opposition was the most admirable, wonderful thing you had ever seen in politics.

  136. 136.

    Jeffro

    January 24, 2017 at 8:56 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: re: $250M house

    That’s funny, just reading about it makes me think, “I have to burn it.”

    Not if I get there first…

  137. 137.

    Kay

    January 24, 2017 at 8:58 am

    @manyakitty:

    I’m not. I’m north. Do you remember this guy?

    Civil rights attorney Subodh Chandra found the Lahms’ votes didn’t count when he was researching how different counties handle different situations under Ohio’s law. Chandra found while Franklin County didn’t count the Lahms’ ballots, some other counties would have.

    I think he’s part of the group who are suing Trump. I saw his name on one piece about it, so I’m not sure.

    I wanted him for AG instead of Marc Dann. I was right, too. Marc Dann had to resign. Chandra was bitter about it. He was so clearly more qualified. ANYWAY! He’s still plugging away so good for him.

  138. 138.

    amk

    January 24, 2017 at 8:58 am

    @danielx: I am all for derailing chinese and russian expansionist designs but I have zero faith in the current kkklown doing that.

  139. 139.

    OzarkHillbilly

    January 24, 2017 at 9:00 am

    @Jeffro: I just booked my tickets. Leave in 2 hours. Better hurry. ;-)

  140. 140.

    SFAW

    January 24, 2017 at 9:01 am

    @amk:

    I am all for derailing chinese and russian expansionist designs but I have zero faith in the current kkklown doing that.

    Global thermonuclear war would derail some of their plans, so there’s that.

  141. 141.

    hovercraft

    January 24, 2017 at 9:01 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: @Baud:

    Designed and priced for Asian buyers.

    Nyet, nyet, nyet, it is designed and priced for our new Russian overlords. Unless you are referencing the fact that much of Russia is in fact in Asia ;- )

    PS: I’d happily watch it burn.

  142. 142.

    bystander

    January 24, 2017 at 9:01 am

    @Bruce K: I admit I don’t understand the process here, but certain citizens have brought suit in federal court. I was imagining that a court decision would require either resolution of the violation within a set period of time or removal from office. If the repubs then refuse to pursue their constitutional obligation by enforcing the court order, they also make a public declaration of their federal duty. I see this as an “our hands are tied” situation taking them off the hook with the trumputinites. Taking action themselves and substituting their judgment for that of the low education voters will not fly well.

    Anyway, a knowledgeable attorney probably knows how this could play out.

  143. 143.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    January 24, 2017 at 9:02 am

    It is getting even weirder out there.

    “It would be nice to see people show respect for the office of the president and its current occupant,” Conway said. “Give him a chance to do right by the American people.”

    She said if reporters are being “political hacks,” then the Trump team has a right to call that out.

    “This White House and the media are going to share joint custody of this nation for eight years,” Conway said. “We ought to be able to figure out how to co-parent and mutually coexist.”

    They’re flailing. This is not the verbiage of a professional – it infantilizes the people of the country. To date, he’s said nothing and done nothing to assuage the concerns of those who didn’t vote for him. A leader would say, off the bat:

    “Millions of you did not vote for me, and are concerned. I get that. I will work hard to do well by everyone and to gain your trust in my efforts to improve your lives and the lives of those you care about.

    Every president in my living memory made efforts to at least pay some lip service to this, and each made actual efforts here and there.

    Not this fuckin’ guy. He gets his ass chapped by people hating him, so turn up the heat.

  144. 144.

    SFAW

    January 24, 2017 at 9:04 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    @Jeffro: I just booked my tickets. Leave in 2 hours. Better hurry. ;-)

    Why don’t you guys just subcontract it out to BillinGlendale? As a bonus, we could probably get some outstanding photos in the deal.

    You kids really need to “work smarter, not harder.”

  145. 145.

    rikyrah

    January 24, 2017 at 9:06 am

    This article Officials Beg Trump to send help after storm

    Did anyone during 44’s time in office have to BEG for help?

  146. 146.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    January 24, 2017 at 9:07 am

    @bystander:

    This one fails on standing. Tribe joining it was the kiss of death, as he’s a worthless old grandstander with delusions of practical legal competence. The only litigants with standing on the loss are competitors, which would be real hesitant to file polarizing litigation due to PR reasons (that, and risk a Trump DOJ investigating corrupt foreign practices, which they all do in the hospitality industry).

  147. 147.

    rikyrah

    January 24, 2017 at 9:09 am

    GOP split over Medicaid imperils Obamacare plans
    Republicans want to cut costs, return control to states and keep people covered — a near impossibility.
    By BURGESS EVERETT, RACHAEL BADE and RACHANA PRADHAN
    01/23/17 06:38 PM EST

    Top GOP lawmakers and President Donald Trump are coalescing around a plan to turn Medicaid over to the states as part of their Obamacare replacement. But the push is already driving a wedge between congressional Republicans and could gum up the repeal process altogether.

    Conservatives have long called for block-granting Medicaid, which would cap spending and give states direct control over the program that provides health care coverage for low-income Americans. That goal is finally within reach now that Republicans control both chambers of Congress and the White House.

    But divisions over how to do it are already causing tension. At the crux of the matter is an impossible task set forth by Trump: In recent interviews he has said he wants to block-grant Medicaid funding to the states but also ensure the roughly 11 million people who received coverage under the Affordable Care Act’s Medicaid expansion do not lose it.

    Those two things are fundamentally at odds with each other because block grants are widely viewed as likely to result in sweeping cuts in government-subsidized health insurance for the poor. The mixed signals to the Hill are making it hard for lawmakers to get on the same page and coalesce around a plan.

    ………………………..

    Contrast that with House Budget Vice Chairman Todd Rokita, a strong advocate of block granting.

    “Medicaid is among the top three drivers of our debt,” the Indiana Republican said. “It’s unfair for the citizens of tomorrow to bear the burden through our debt load for the health care of today’s poor, and it’s especially not fair for them to pay for [able-bodied adults] who otherwise should be making their own way.”

  148. 148.

    Quinerly

    January 24, 2017 at 9:09 am

    Suggested reading at Axios: Trump 101: What Trump reads and Watches. Apparently, he never really ever read the WAPO. Welcome to the last 72 hours!

  149. 149.

    rikyrah

    January 24, 2017 at 9:10 am

    And yes. POTUS/Breitbart is a seamlessly unified corporate media entity.

    They generate their own news. Control supply AND demand.

    — 5’7 Black Male (@absurdistwords) January 24, 2017

    You cannot think of this White House as a White House. It isn’t.

    It’s merely a money laundering center with nukes.

    — 5’7 Black Male (@absurdistwords) January 24, 2017

  150. 150.

    Quinerly

    January 24, 2017 at 9:12 am

    “The Future of the Left Is Female,” over at NY Mag. Can’t link on this smarty pants phone.

  151. 151.

    rikyrah

    January 24, 2017 at 9:13 am

    Next time an “ACA replace” package claims it allows “patient choice,” understand what they intend to exclude. This just passed the MN house.

    — Andy Slavitt (@ASlavitt) January 24, 2017

  152. 152.

    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism

    January 24, 2017 at 9:15 am

    @Applejinx: We call him Wilmer because certain trolls appear to have a Google alert to summon them to any thread where his True Name is mentioned.

    And when that one becomes a Name of Power, we’ll change it.

    You should know by now that these jackals have absolutely no problem with bashing someone using their True Name. It’s just a matter of boredom with the trolls.

  153. 153.

    Kay

    January 24, 2017 at 9:16 am

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:

    “This White House and the media are going to share joint custody of this nation

    What a fucking ego on that one. Tell her she’s a lunatic and she’s not my custodian. I think she needs a custodian, frankly. She’s incompetent in a legal sense.

    Gross. Does this make Trump my father? No. I refuse.

    They truly don’t get it. They don’t get basic concepts of small d democracy. They all need to back the fuck off and stop pushing themselves on us.

  154. 154.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    January 24, 2017 at 9:17 am

    @Schlemazel:

    100,000 nasty women and friends with no arrests, 1 good christian arrested, must be persecution.

    Hellscape, a pure hellscape. We’re is Democracy now when people can peacefully assemble when ever they want to?

  155. 155.

    zhena gogolia

    January 24, 2017 at 9:18 am

    @bemused:

    Yes! Me too! My dentist who was arguing with me, when I said that all people like Putin and Trump cared about was piling up money for themselves, said, “Trump doesn’t need any more money.” GRRRRR! Of course he doesn’t need it! It’s a compulsion!

  156. 156.

    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism

    January 24, 2017 at 9:20 am

    And while on the subject of True Names, did anyone else see Sir Ian McKellen’s tweet about the March in London?

    The deadbeat has a lovely new nickname.

  157. 157.

    Quinerly

    January 24, 2017 at 9:21 am

    Rough piece in WAPO about Trump lying about his record on the environment to those business guys he met with yesterday. Touted his environmental awards and said he has been called an “environmentalist.”

  158. 158.

    Kay

    January 24, 2017 at 9:22 am

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:

    It’s all bullshit anyway. They’re strutting around pretending they are rescuing the country and Trump inherited a solid economy. You know what Scott Walker is bragging about today? 4% unemployment.

    Trump could go golfing for the next year and no one would care. All he has to do is not fuck it up. He WILL fuck it up but it’s not required.

  159. 159.

    schrodingers_cat

    January 24, 2017 at 9:23 am

    @Kay: Thank God for the likes of Subodh Chandra and Neera Tandon, kinda makes up for douchy pplz of Indian origin like the moronic Dinesh D’Souza and Squeaky Ponnuru.

  160. 160.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    January 24, 2017 at 9:24 am

    @Mustang Bobby:

    “The speaker and President Trump are eager to continue moving forward on their shared agenda to jumpstart the economy and get the country back on track,” a Ryan spokesman said in a statement.

    The economy is getting to near total employment. He really is out of touch, isn’t he? It’s like his attitude towards women, his head is stuck in 1978.

  161. 161.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    January 24, 2017 at 9:24 am

    @hovercraft: Looked at teh Google map, kind of a small lot. Not classy at all, much smaller than Spelling’s place.

  162. 162.

    manyakitty

    January 24, 2017 at 9:25 am

    @Kay: Looks like Chandra is still doing good work! He’s probably closest to me in Akron, geographically. Then there’s Sittenfeld, who is running again for Cincinnati city council, and I hope he’s considering a move to Columbus soon, your local guy, then who else? Our candidates here are a foot wide and an inch deep. Barely a puddle, when we need a flood of qualified, competent, motivated people.

  163. 163.

    Kay

    January 24, 2017 at 9:25 am

    What will be most disappointing to me is if Americans end up liking Trump’s extreme neediness and clamoring for attention. It’s just repulsive to me. If that is admired I will be horrified. It means I have not one thing in common with any of these people. I can’t imagine liking that. It makes my skin crawl.

  164. 164.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    January 24, 2017 at 9:27 am

    @Kay:

    And if you parse that through, she wants everybody to leave Brittney, er Donnie, alone and give him a chance. Fuck him.

    He wanted the job and got it, the whole shebang.

  165. 165.

    Kay

    January 24, 2017 at 9:27 am

    @manyakitty:

    I know you probably know this but The Big Hope is dreamboat Richard Cordray comes back from DC and runs for governor.

    I really like Cordray, although he’s intimidating on a personal level because he’s very smart and “quick” in this way I’m not, but he is the Great Hope.

  166. 166.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    January 24, 2017 at 9:28 am

    @zhena gogolia:

    Yes! Me too! My dentist who was arguing with me, when I said that all people like Putin and Trump cared about was piling up money for themselves, said, “Trump doesn’t need any more money.” GRRRRR! Of course he doesn’t need it! It’s a compulsion!

    Trump does need money, all of his wealth is borrowed.

  167. 167.

    schrodingers_cat

    January 24, 2017 at 9:28 am

    @Kay: White old media guys will like it, because he is like them. I don’t see women falling for it. He will have his constituencies. But this is a big country.

  168. 168.

    manyakitty

    January 24, 2017 at 9:28 am

    @schrodingers_cat: Where do you land on Nikki Haley? Jindal is a no-go, of course.

  169. 169.

    zhena gogolia

    January 24, 2017 at 9:29 am

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques:

    Yes, I also said, “How do you know how much money he has? We haven’t seen his tax returns.”

  170. 170.

    bemused

    January 24, 2017 at 9:29 am

    @rikyrah:

    Bastards. I need to make a call this morning.

  171. 171.

    manyakitty

    January 24, 2017 at 9:29 am

    @Kay: THAT WOULD BE EXCELLENT!!!

  172. 172.

    Kay

    January 24, 2017 at 9:30 am

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:

    This is NOTHING, too. It’s a dispute THEY STARTED over crowd size. Wait until an oil rig blows up or any of the other 5000 emergencies Obama had to deal with.

    They’re whiners.

  173. 173.

    schrodingers_cat

    January 24, 2017 at 9:30 am

    @Kay: I don’t know about quick, but you are smarty, scary smart and have a good sensible head screwed on those shoulders. Ask the people who know me, I am pretty tough grader and don’t hand out compliments easily.

  174. 174.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    January 24, 2017 at 9:32 am

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:

    “This White House and the media are going to share joint custody of this nation for eight years,” Conway said. “We ought to be able to figure out how to co-parent and mutually coexist.”

    She reading Dick Cheny’s Consitution or something? Since when is the media a branch of government? That’s part of why Trump and co don’t get it, they are the ones in charge now. No one else to blame.

  175. 175.

    schrodingers_cat

    January 24, 2017 at 9:33 am

    @Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism: Boredom, fandom or mischief paid for by Russian masters, its pretty tiresome and repetitive.

  176. 176.

    hovercraft

    January 24, 2017 at 9:33 am

    @BillinGlendaleCA:
    I saw a piece on the news the other day about the place, I had the same thought, the neighbors seemed awfully close. For that kind of money I’d want a moat and to need at least a golf cart to get to the mail box ;-)
    The Spelling place was a monstrosity. I remember seeing something on the new place Candy (?) was buying, her downscaled apartment was something ridiculous like 10,000 square feet or something. If you are going to scale down do it right. Dion Sanders went from 29K sqft., to 7 K, to 600 sqft, granted his new tiny house is on 140 acres where he is planning on installing a massive fishing pond, and a bunch of other abodes for his extended family, but that is downsizing I can totally get down with.

  177. 177.

    SFAW

    January 24, 2017 at 9:33 am

    @zhena gogolia:

    when I said that all people like Putin and Trump cared about was piling up money for themselves, said, “Trump doesn’t need any more money.” GRRRRR! Of course he doesn’t need it! It’s a compulsion!

    How do you know he “doesn’t need it”? I’ve been calling him a “thousandaire” for a number of months, and haven’t seen anything (outside of Deadbeat Shitgibbon’s bullshit pronouncements) to indicate otherwise.

    Show us the tax returns, you lying motherfucker! (No, not you, zhena, of course)

    ETA: Aaaand … I see you already addressed this in a follow-up comment.

  178. 178.

    GregB

    January 24, 2017 at 9:33 am

    @Kay:

    What state is Cordray from?

  179. 179.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    January 24, 2017 at 9:34 am

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques:

    Literally everything he is doing is destabilizing, short and long term. Energy is poised to go up, which will be deemed inflation by the Fed, and interest will go up. Financial refs will be gutted, existing regs unenforced.

  180. 180.

    schrodingers_cat

    January 24, 2017 at 9:35 am

    @manyakitty: I have no respect for turncoats who change their religion for political expediency. Of course this conjecture on my part, and I don’t claim to have looked into her heart. At this pt I cannot take anyone voting Republican seriously.

  181. 181.

    rikyrah

    January 24, 2017 at 9:36 am

    @Kay:

    Did you see yesterday they wouldn’t say the unemployment rate? They’ll corrupt all those numbers. The data the federal government collects and reports will no longer be reliable.

    I have no sympathy. It was plain Trump is a liar. He hires liars. Big shocker. Just pitch anything they say in the trash. It’ll all be bullshit. There isn’t one of them who has told the truth about anything for months and that isn’t going to change. He hires people who are just like him.

    You keep on bringing it, Kay.

    Thank you.

  182. 182.

    bemused

    January 24, 2017 at 9:39 am

    @zhena gogolia:

    Dumbest argument ever!!! Of course they don’t NEED more. Since when have billionaires ever turned down a great chance to grab more money. It’s hanging fruit. Your dentist is either an idiot or he’s thinking more about his possible future tax breaks. I would have asked him how badly he needs tax breaks.

  183. 183.

    Kay

    January 24, 2017 at 9:39 am

    @GregB:

    Ohio. He was the AG. At one time he was the top vote getter in the state. He broke with the “establishment” of the Ohio Dem Party and endorsed Obama in ’08 which was brave at the time he did it. The only endorsements Obama was getting at that point were urban mayors. That actually worked out well for Obama. Democrats need huge numbers in urban areas and Obama got them. I think mayors were key to that.

    He was a great AG for consumer rights. The work at the CFPB isn’t a departure for him- it’s what he’s done his whole career.

  184. 184.

    rikyrah

    January 24, 2017 at 9:39 am

    Trump’s Cabinet Is Designed to Sow Chaos
    by Nancy LeTourneau
    January 23, 2017 3:21 PM

    As we watched the Trump transition team roll out its slate of Cabinet nominees, this became a common refrain:

    Former Texas governor Rick Perry has advocated shuttering the Department of Energy he’s slated to lead. Betsy DeVos, who would head the Education Department, is a leading proponent of voucher programs that divert taxpayer funds from public schools. Oklahoma Attorney General Scott Pruitt has repeatedly sued the Environmental Protection Agency and, in his official biography, describes himself as a “leading advocate against the EPA’s activist agenda.” Ben Carson has criticized Housing and Urban Development rules designed to combat segregation in housing. Puzder has fought labor rules intended to protect workers.

    “It really is unprecedented, not just the degree to which some of these nominees despise the mission of the agencies or departments they’re tapped to head, but the sheer number of them,” said John Hudak, a senior fellow in governance studies at the Brookings Institution in Washington.

    Last week Michael Kruse interviewed three Trump biographers. The transcript is full of interesting tidbits about what we can learn from this president’s past. When it comes to his Cabinet nominees, here’s an insight from Gwenda Blair, author of The Trumps: Three Generations of Builders and a President:

    The cabinet appointments seem to me to be people who have been successful in some realm, so he takes that as proof of their abilities. But he’s also looking for people that will be in conflict with everyone in that department. Down the line, it’s the same kind of sowing-conflict mode that he’s used throughout his career of setting people against each other so that they’re not going to be loyal to each other and they’re going to be loyal to him.

    Once you begin looking at this administration’s actions through the lens of sowing chaos as both a product of Trump’s personality and a strategy for his political operatives, much of what is happening becomes clear. Not only will Trump’s cabinet nominees create chaos in the departments they are assigned to oversee, we’ll see a lot of chaos between cabinet members and other advisors. According to the Wall Street Journal, some of that is already happening.

  185. 185.

    SFAW

    January 24, 2017 at 9:40 am

    @Kay:

    There isn’t one of them who has told the truth about anything for months

    Well, not intentionally. I leave open the possibility that they uttered a truth by mistake.

  186. 186.

    gene108

    January 24, 2017 at 9:41 am

    @Baud:

    Dem voters will say it’s not enough and stay home.

    Dem voters want payback for all the receipts they’ve collected since Reagan. Until “conservative” becomes a dirty word like “liberal” was for 20+ years, and Republicans are humiliated and their ideology ridiculed the hard core liberal Dem voter will never be satisfied Dems have done enough.

  187. 187.

    manyakitty

    January 24, 2017 at 9:41 am

    @schrodingers_cat: Makes sense to me.

  188. 188.

    O. Felix Culpa

    January 24, 2017 at 9:41 am

    @Kay:

    it matters a lot in the states with GOP governors and there are a lot of states with GOP governors.

    I’m late to the thread, but that is why we’re already organizing to elect a Democratic governor in 2018. Our awful Republican governor (tautology, I know) is term limited, so she’s on her way out. We took back the state legislature in 2016 and now our sights are on the governorship. I hope there’s similar organizing going on in other states.

    ETA: We elected a good Secretary of State in 2016, which is the role that directly oversees voting rights. She’s already expanding access with a proposal to make voter registration automatic with one’s driver’s license. We need to reelect her in 2018 too.

  189. 189.

    rikyrah

    January 24, 2017 at 9:42 am

    Quick Takes: “A Body Blow to Trump’s Populism”
    by Nancy LeTourneau
    January 23, 2017 5:12 PM

    * Of all the commentary about the #WomensMarch, Francis Wilkinson captured the impact best. He draws a contrast between the attempt by Trump to tout his populist roots in his inaugural address and the way that myth was shattered on Saturday.

    ……………………

    Neither Trump nor the organizers of the Women’s March could’ve known how the populist words of his inaugural would be so devastatingly refuted by Saturday’s tide of humanity. True, it’s a short-term victory. The Trump administration will be the arena for a long and fierce battle. We are at the opening bell.

    But it mattered. Everyone in Washington — from a determined Speaker Paul Ryan to a shellshocked White House, from tentative Democrats climbing out from the rubble to liberal interest groups searching for an ideological anchor — just got a look at a very different people from the one described by Trump.

    * These thoughts were also summed up well in a couple of tweets.

    As a certain community organizer would say, ordinary people working together can do extraordinary things. Awe inspiring. #WomensMarch.

    — David Plouffe (@davidplouffe) January 21, 2017

    Looking at this crowd, if the Dems think they should move away from their multi-racial, female-centered base, they’re crazy — @amjoy

    — Sally Albright (@SallyAlbright) January 21, 2017

  190. 190.

    rikyrah

    January 24, 2017 at 9:43 am

    We just handed Asia over to China by torpedoing TPP.

  191. 191.

    rikyrah

    January 24, 2017 at 9:45 am

    @MomSense:

    Please stay in and be safe. Ice terrifies me.

  192. 192.

    Jeffro

    January 24, 2017 at 9:45 am

    @bemused:

    I read that Americans are about as happy as they get making about $70,000 a year. Above that, more money doesn’t change or increase your happiness

    It’s absolutely true, too. I love that pic of the Trumps and the Obamas side by side…who would you rather be?

  193. 193.

    schrodingers_cat

    January 24, 2017 at 9:46 am

    @rikyrah: Just because they hate each other, doesn’t mean they are going to love T. That’s some school yard bully level thinking.

  194. 194.

    Yoda Dog

    January 24, 2017 at 9:47 am

    @schrodingers_cat: Im having a button made that says “Im with Kay.” Nobody will get it but I dont care.

    Might get a “Baud 2020” too.. If he stops hurting my feelings… XD

  195. 195.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    January 24, 2017 at 9:47 am

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: Energy prices are not part of the inflation rate, at least directly; they’re much too volatile.

  196. 196.

    Jeffro

    January 24, 2017 at 9:49 am

    @p.a.:

    I’m pissed about that collapsing ice sheet’s size being compared to Delaware. Delaware! WE’RE the standard for that kind of thing. Not some second-smallest piss-ant state.

    HEY NOW…

  197. 197.

    rikyrah

    January 24, 2017 at 9:49 am

    @Schlemazel:

    New Pew Research data out on energy choices. 65% of Americans want priority given to developing alternative energy, 27% want priority given to fossil fuels

    Uh uh uh

    crazification factor

  198. 198.

    Kay

    January 24, 2017 at 9:51 am

    @GregB:

    I went to the 08 convention and I’m not a very emotional person- I almost never get all worked up in public- but I was sitting behind the AA Dem mayors when Obama accepted the nom in that stadium and they were so moved I ended up crying. Just the intensity of emotion from these people who spend a big part of their careers being much more disciplined than white politicians have to be – there’s always this subtext in Ohio politics that they can’t be “too black”- can’t appear to “favor” black people- it destroyed me.

    It’s all so hard. They have to bridge so many things. For once it was just pure pride for them.

  199. 199.

    Jeffro

    January 24, 2017 at 9:52 am

    @danielx:

    Well, no great surprise there. No single human being could have a greater sense of accomplishment for less reason. All three sources use terms like ‘furious’, ‘rage’, ‘angry’, ‘sense of injury’. If he’s enraged by criticism and lack of praise at three days into his presidency, what will he be like after (inevitably) he fumbles some crisis with serious consequences? Especially if, as seems increasingly likely, it becomes evident that he was manipulated (by Putin, the Chinese, anybody) into royally screwing the pooch, with no possibility of evading responsibility. He is in a position where he will not be able to say something didn’t happen or if it did, someone else was responsible.

    It’s just another thing he has that he didn’t earn, no matter how much he tries to convince himself (and us) otherwise.

    Must be especially difficult for a guy who hasn’t felt appreciated…dare I say loved?…since his folks shipped his unbearable ass away to prep school…

  200. 200.

    Quinerly

    January 24, 2017 at 9:52 am

    @O. Felix Culpa:
    Hi! Been trying to catch you on a few threads. You are in the Santa Fe area, right? Did I recall Galisteo or was that someone else? I’m in Cerrillos from around 2/10- to morning of 2/12 when I head out for Abiquiu for a couple of days. Then in Albuquerque for a week starting 2/14. Meeting friends at The Hollar in Madrid, NM for dinner on 2/10. My email is [email protected] if you want to catch up. Would be cool. Dinner! Open invite to anyone else in the area, too! I’m in Kanab, Utah for a week starting 3/2. Open invite to anyone in that area, including St.George. Have a great day!

  201. 201.

    Iowa Old Lady

    January 24, 2017 at 9:53 am

    @Quinerly: Wasn’t Robert Gibbs press sec for a while?

  202. 202.

    rikyrah

    January 24, 2017 at 9:53 am

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:

    “It would be nice to see people show respect for the office of the president and its current occupant,” Conway said. “Give him a chance to do right by the American people.”

    He will get the same amount of respect that he and the GOP showed #44.

    Which is none.

    She said if reporters are being “political hacks,” then the Trump team has a right to call that out.

    Telling the truth about their lies doesn’t make them political hacks.

    “This White House and the media are going to share joint custody of this nation for eight years,” Conway said. “We ought to be able to figure out how to co-parent and mutually coexist.”

    Um, no heifer.

    There is no joint custody.

    Sit your phucking azz down and shut the phuck up.

    The arrogance and entitlement with these muthaphuckas.

  203. 203.

    Jeffro

    January 24, 2017 at 9:54 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Dang and here I am tied up at work…have to plan better for the next one.

  204. 204.

    gene108

    January 24, 2017 at 9:55 am

    @Quinerly:

    Rough piece in WAPO about Trump lying about his record on the environment to those business guys he met with yesterday. Touted his environmental awards and said he has been called an “environmentalist.”

    Have a friend, who works at the NJ environment department. Back in the early 1990’s, Trump would roll up in a big limo and acted like he owned the place, when he wanted permits to build things.

    In the late 1990’s, Steve Wynn wanted to build in Atlantic City. Trump rolls up in a tiny car and acts horrified at the terrible environmental impact new development (i.e. Wynn’s) would have for coastal NJ.

    That’s about as environmentally friendly as Trump gets.

  205. 205.

    Jeffro

    January 24, 2017 at 9:55 am

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: (from KAC):

    “This White House and the media are going to share joint custody of this nation for eight years,” Conway said. “We ought to be able to figure out how to co-parent and mutually coexist.”

    Oh HELL NO, Kellyanne…just because you’re trying another tack here and appealing to the Nurturing Party…we are not nearly done with you yet. Abusers go to court and go to jail.

    (And it’s four years tops, btw)

    ETA: I see Rikyrah and I are on the same page here, but R’s was better said as usual

  206. 206.

    gene108

    January 24, 2017 at 9:57 am

    @rikyrah:

    True Liberals should be proud. They were dead set against TPP.

  207. 207.

    bemused

    January 24, 2017 at 9:58 am

    @Jeffro:

    Too many Americans seem to be enthralled by very wealthy people, at the wealthy far removed from them. What can explain that some people believe, even now, that billionaire ceos are job creators and don’t bitch much about them getting more tax cuts. If they get a couple hundred dollars tax cut at the same time, they quit grumbling. It’s no wonder the GOP think their voters are chumps. otoh, if the wealthy are close to home, they work for a very wealthy, greedy boss who nickel and dimes them, etc, they can have quite a different opinion.

  208. 208.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    January 24, 2017 at 9:58 am

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    I agree, but the Fed frequently kills credit markets based on energy based price hikes.

  209. 209.

    Kay

    January 24, 2017 at 10:01 am

    @bemused:

    This might be worth it if nothing else comes from it but “stop worshiping rich people”.

    I get this stupid freebie “bizness” magazine at the law office and there’s always a CEO on the cover. No one contributes anything of value to these companies but this one man? It’s just grounded in bullshit. It’s this silly Great Man theory and it’s childish. Let it go. Grow up. It’s intended to inspire 5th graders who don’t know any better.

  210. 210.

    Jeffro

    January 24, 2017 at 10:03 am

    @rikyrah:

    Once you begin looking at this administration’s actions through the lens of sowing chaos as both a product of Trump’s personality and a strategy for his political operatives, much of what is happening becomes clear. Not only will Trump’s cabinet nominees create chaos in the departments they are assigned to oversee, we’ll see a lot of chaos between cabinet members and other advisors. According to the Wall Street Journal, some of that is already happening.

    I’ve been seeing most of the cabinet picks as Bannon picks, designed to cause as much chaos as possible and stop most of these departments dead in their tracks, with no one to argue for the department’s mission, budget, or staff. People are going to have to sue to get them (the departments) to do their most basic functions.

  211. 211.

    hovercraft

    January 24, 2017 at 10:05 am

    Trump Administration Freezes All EPA Grants And Contracts

    ByCaitlin MacNeal Published January 24, 2017, 9:52 AM EDT

    The Trump administration has ordered the Environmental Protection Agency to temporarily suspend awarding grants and contracts, ProPublica reported Tuesday night.

    Myron Ebell, who ran Donald Trump’s EPA transition, confirmed the freeze on contracts and grants to ProPublica.

    “They’re trying to freeze things to make sure nothing happens they don’t want to have happen, so any regulations going forward, contracts, grants, hires, they want to make sure to look at them first,” Ebell told ProPublica.

    It’s not clear whether the directive applies only to new contracts or grants, or also to existing ones, according to ProPublica.

    ProPublica also obtained an email from an EPA employee telling a storm water management employee that grants and contracts have been suspended.

    “Right now we are in a holding pattern. The new EPA administration has asked that all contract and grant awards be temporarily suspended, effective immediately. Until we receive further clarification, this includes task orders and work assignments,” the employee wrote, according to ProPublica.

    EPA officials did not confirm the freeze to ProPublica.

    One EPA employee told ProPublica that the suspension of all contracts and grants is an unprecedented move. But Ebell argued that the freeze did not extend much beyond the norm.

    “This may be a little wider than some previous administrations, but it’s very similar to what others have done,” he told ProPublica.

    The Huffington Post also reported Monday night that the Trump administration froze all contracts and grants, citing an EPA employee who spoke with congressional staff.

  212. 212.

    Quinerly

    January 24, 2017 at 10:05 am

    @Iowa Old Lady:
    I think you are right. Very beginning?

  213. 213.

    Iowa Old Lady

    January 24, 2017 at 10:06 am

    @Jeffro: My son used to play D&D, and over the last few days, I’ve been recalling how, in addition to being good or evil, characters could be lawful or chaotic. A chaotic character created lots of problems for everyone else even if they were also good. A chaotic evil character was almost impossible to deal with.

  214. 214.

    Quinerly

    January 24, 2017 at 10:07 am

    @hovercraft:
    And told them not to discuss it as I recall from an early AM piece.

  215. 215.

    Jeffro

    January 24, 2017 at 10:08 am

    Btw in somewhat positive news: this is a great type of strategy for pre-empting Trumpian bullshit proposals. Put an actual, positive, sensible plan out there first.

    Senate Democrats plan to introduce a $1 trillion infrastructure plan on Tuesday and call on President Donald Trump to back the proposal, according to reports in the New York Times and the Washington Post.

    The plan will rely directly on federal funding to back projects like rebuilding roads and bridges, expanding the country’s broadband network, and supporting veterans hospitals and schools, according to the Washington Post. The funding model proposed by Democrats differs from funding proposed by Trump in the past — his campaign proposed using tax credits and working with private contractors.

    “Our urban and rural communities have their own unique set of infrastructure priorities, and this proposal would provide funding to address those needed upgrades that go beyond the traditional road and bridge repair,” Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) plans to say while announcing the plan, according to the New York Times. “We’re asking President Trump to work with us to make it a reality.”

    The Democrats plan would provide $210 billion for roads and bridges, $75 billion for schools, $20 billion for broadband network expansion, and $10 billion for veterans hospitals, according to the Washington Post.

    Obvious benefits:
    – the Dems get the first word/news cycle, meaning
    – the Reps look like Johnny-come-latelies
    – the plans get compared for their effects and their cost, meaning
    – Reps get exposed as “no matter what they do, they enhance the rich and screw the poor”

    Shoot, this kind of thing might have even been useful w/ the cabinet nominees (and still might be for SCOTUS): suggest moderate, competent Rs for any open positions of any kind, then wait while Trump and Bannon pick the most unqualified haters possible. Let the media do the contrasting. Vote on a party line and save the sound bites for 2018

  216. 216.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    January 24, 2017 at 10:08 am

    @rikyrah:

    Nancy and the Trump writers are making a big error by assuming design when it is really nothing more than the incoherent, directionless classism of a meritorious inheritor. To him, the appearance of wealth is all that matters – look at the tacky decor he surrounds himself with, look at his treatment of his women, look at his public persona.

  217. 217.

    Iowa Old Lady

    January 24, 2017 at 10:09 am

    @Quinerly: That’s how I remember it too.

    @hovercraft: Oh whoa. Mr IOL spent his professional life in industry researching how to reduce emissions and increase fuel economy in diesel engines. Some of that work was done on contracts with EPA. His big company employers would be very unhappy about this. I’ll bet Trump thinks it’s all pointy headed college professors.

  218. 218.

    Ben Cisco

    January 24, 2017 at 10:12 am

    @ThresherK: Nice.

  219. 219.

    Jeffro

    January 24, 2017 at 10:15 am

    @Iowa Old Lady:

    A chaotic evil character was almost impossible to deal with.

    Well, you just confront them with a +2 pu**yhat…times 3 million…and that’s that, they’re goners, no saving throw or anything. ;)

    I’m actually looking forward to the Tax Day March: show us your returns (or your audit letter), Trumpdemort!

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    schrodingers_cat

    January 24, 2017 at 10:15 am

    @Iowa Old Lady:

    I’ll bet Trump thinks it’s all pointy headed college professors.

    He doesn’t think. My cat has better impulse control than him.

  221. 221.

    Another Scott

    January 24, 2017 at 10:19 am

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: Yup.

    I’ve seen the argument that the recessions in the ’70s due to the “oil crisis(s)” was due to the Fed misinterpreting a 1-time jump in oil prices as being a sign of continuously rising prices in the future. Step jumps in commodity prices don’t necessarily mean accelerating inflation over the medium and longer term (inflation is a rate of change after all).

    Dunno how widely accepted that argument is among sensible economists, but the lack of accelerating inflation when gas hit $4.50 a gallon might be a clue that there’s something to that.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  222. 222.

    O. Felix Culpa

    January 24, 2017 at 10:22 am

    @Quinerly: I’m in for the 10th. Sent you an email. Thanks!

  223. 223.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    January 24, 2017 at 10:23 am

    @Another Scott:

    I was in high school in the late 70s, and remember the nuttiness of interest on secured home loans running between 12% and 17%.

    If anybody crushed Carter, it was the Fed.

    The ridiculousness on that rescue mission to Tehran was the icing on the cupcake.

  224. 224.

    HRA

    January 24, 2017 at 10:24 am

    I have to share this from Nova Scotia.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/women-s-march-on-washington-sandy-cove-digby-neck-donald-trump-1.2899568

  225. 225.

    O. Felix Culpa

    January 24, 2017 at 10:27 am

    @Kay:

    This might be worth it if nothing else comes from it but “stop worshiping rich people”.

    Yes. Every year my university gives out two top alumni awards and at least one always seems to go to some guy (almost always a guy) who is CEO of something. I’m sick and tired of the CEO-worship.

  226. 226.

    hovercraft

    January 24, 2017 at 10:28 am

    Unconscionable

    ByJosh Marshall Published January 24, 2017, 9:50 AM EDT

    You probably know about the story. Zeke Miller of Time magazine, part of the White House press pool, incorrectly reported in the White House pool report that the bust of Martin Luther King (first brought into the White House by President Obama) had been removed and replaced with one of Winston Churchill. This turned out to be wrong. A short time later Miller corrected the report. The White House has been using this as proof of media perfidy for the last three days. But on Hannity last night, Kellyanne Conway wildly upped the ante, telling Sean Hannity that Miller is personally responsible for putting her life in danger.

    Conway claims she has now received Secret Service protection because of threats against her. There appears to be no independent confirmation of this or why she has if she has. In her conversation with Hannity she says she received “white substances” delivered to her house. Again, we have no information about any of this. But it is not implausible in the day and age we live in. It has happened to other high profile people in moments of great controversy. And it is obviously awful if it happened. I leave it as an open question precisely what happened because Conway has shown herself to be a serial prevaricator. There is no conceivable rationale for blaming this on the press. And it is unconscionable, to specifically blame Miller.

    From Hannity (emphasis added) …

    We invited the press pool into the Oval Office, I was there … And it was to witness the President signing these executive orders … We let the pool press in, and immediately the print pooler sent out the pool report that the MLK bust had been removed. It is false. I don’t say his name publicly because I don’t want him to get attacked like I do. Because of what the press is doing now to me, I have Secret Service protection. We have packages delivered to my house with white substances. That is a shame and yes I hold him into account for it. This guy puts it out. It gets tweeted and it gets reported 3,000 times. He still can’t take it back. He apologized to his colleagues in the press; he has not apologized to the President. And the damage is done because then people look at Donald Trump as the ‘R word’. The darn bust was right there. I was standing next to it. It was being hidden by a guard. Why don’t you ask us? Why don’t you say, where is the bust? It presumptive negativity.

    Millet made a mistake, a kind of sloppy mistake. He quickly corrected it and sent out word of the mistake as volubly as the original report. What Conway is doing here is wild and unconscionable incitement.

  227. 227.

    Yarrow

    January 24, 2017 at 10:29 am

    @HRA: Great story!

  228. 228.

    Immanentize

    January 24, 2017 at 10:30 am

    @zhena gogolia: You could have asked your dentist — “Do you need any more money? If not, I will happily keep what you were going to charge me….

  229. 229.

    O. Felix Culpa

    January 24, 2017 at 10:31 am

    @Jeffro:

    Senate Democrats plan to introduce a $1 trillion infrastructure plan on Tuesday and call on President Donald Trump to back the proposal, according to reports in the New York Times and the Washington Post.

    Excellent strategy. Schumer may turn out to be an excellent opposition leader. My Dem senators are holding the line too. Our Indivisible group (former HRC volunteer leadership team) is going to their offices today to present a letter commending them for their work thus far and asking them to continue opposing Sessions, Tillerson, DeVos, etc. We’re not likely to win most of these battles, but we are building and strengthening a political network for the future.

  230. 230.

    Yarrow

    January 24, 2017 at 10:33 am

    @O. Felix Culpa: Universities need money. They recognize the rich CEO types and in turn get big donations. It’s just doing business for the universities. Wish it weren’t that was but it is.

  231. 231.

    darrel wright

    January 24, 2017 at 10:33 am

    @rikyrah: The thing about sowing discord seems absolutely on point. This is the basis upon which I urge what I otherwise admit is undue and unearned concern for the softer of Trump’s voters. Trump will lob in issue after issue that attempts to increase divisions of ethnicity, gender, sexuality, etc. It is deadly effective; it’s similar to what ISIS does, trying to poison the ground that it’s softer supporters could run to, so they can’t run away. We need to resist this as much as we resist the Republican agenda.

  232. 232.

    hovercraft

    January 24, 2017 at 10:34 am

    Speaking of Still Celebrating, lets celebrate that FOX and the right wing are still butthurt.

    O’Reilly: Women’s March Protesters Were “Told To Show Up,” Just Like “Totalitarian Governments In The 20th Century”

    Video January 23, 2017 8:55 PM EST

    Fox Guest: Only “Privileged” Women And “Whiney, PMS-ing” Celebrities Participated In Women’s March

    Video ››› January 23, 2017 10:12 AM EST

  233. 233.

    bemused

    January 24, 2017 at 10:35 am

    @Kay:

    I’ve been thinking about how it plays out locally. For instance, a guy owns three businesses. He is a bitch to work for. Manager employees have projects running smoothly. The routine of the boss is he comes in, micromanages, says what they are doing costs too much money even if not true, makes expensive exceptions for a customer that is a buddy of his, leaves disruption behind. He generally comes back later and sort of apologizes. The managers sometimes quit and only come back if they think the more money he offers is worth it. Christmas bonuses even for the best managers are chintzy. There aren’t that many employees so everyone knows everything that happens and he is not liked nor respected. No employees nor many customers think of him as a job creator. The employees sure don’t say he doesn’t need more money so he’s not interested in piling up more!
    Why people who know this guy and other wealthy business people just like him in their own back yards can’t see the billionaires do the same thing to them on a much larger scale, cutting SS, Medicare, health care and so on and then vote Republican is very weird to me.

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    O. Felix Culpa

    January 24, 2017 at 10:36 am

    @Yarrow:

    Universities need money.

    I know, but my alma mater is one of the richest out there. Massive endowment. Of course it can always be bigger and more named buildings can be built, but still…

  235. 235.

    zhena gogolia

    January 24, 2017 at 10:37 am

    @SFAW:

    My tax returns are clean as a whistle!

  236. 236.

    Immanentize

    January 24, 2017 at 10:37 am

    @SFAW: Like

  237. 237.

    Yarrow

    January 24, 2017 at 10:42 am

    @O. Felix Culpa: Yeah, I know what you mean. i think some of it is rich people recognizing other rich people–their friends. Some is the universities wanting to recognize people from their schools that achieve “success” as it’s commonly defined in our culture. Some is needing money. The second one–the one about success as it’s defined in our culture–is one we can work on to change, possibly.

  238. 238.

    zhena gogolia

    January 24, 2017 at 10:43 am

    @HRA:

    Beautiful! Stop making me cry.

  239. 239.

    hovercraft

    January 24, 2017 at 10:44 am

    Kellyanne Conway Says She’s Getting Secret Service Protection After Receiving Threats

    President Donald Trump’s adviser says the media is to blame.

    Kellyanne Conway said she is now under Secret Service protection.

    President Donald Trump’s adviser told Fox News host Sean Hannity on Monday that she had received suspicious packages at her home. She blamed the threats on negative press coverage of the new administration.

    “Because of what the press is doing now to me, I have Secret Service protection,” said Conway. “We have packages delivered to my house with white substances. That is a shame.”

    Watch the interview here: LINK

    Conway was discussing a reporter’s erroneous tweet about Trump removing the bust of civil rights icon Martin Luther King Jr. from the Oval Office when she made the claim.

    According to The Hill, it’s not unusual for senior advisers to the president to obtain Secret Service details. Both David Axelrod and Valerie Jarret received protection when President Barack Obama was in office.

    ETA: Josh Marshall has a scathing assessment of the Spokes Cobra’s behavior.
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/unconscionable–2

  240. 240.

    bemused

    January 24, 2017 at 10:46 am

    @hovercraft:

    Omg. O’Reilly giving Conway heavy competition in newspeak.

  241. 241.

    Immanentize

    January 24, 2017 at 10:47 am

    @O. Felix Culpa: That is not CEO worship, it is simply fishing for donations. Self perpetuating problem, I know, but don’t blame your University for trying to keep tuition down.

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    Immanentize

    January 24, 2017 at 10:47 am

    @Yarrow: You got there first….

  243. 243.

    GregB

    January 24, 2017 at 10:47 am

    It is so grotesque watching this consolidated one party government claiming to be besieged victims of a powerful adversary.

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    El Caganer

    January 24, 2017 at 10:48 am

    @Jeffro: If she really sees the Trump administration as a parent and all of us citizens as its kids, the proper role of the media is to act as Child Protective Services.

  245. 245.

    Immanentize

    January 24, 2017 at 10:49 am

    @O. Felix Culpa: I have a serious recommendation on the alum award issue, write to the alumni president about this concern, and include the names of five people who are really deserving of such an award regardless of wealth. You may still get one CEO, but you may just get a worthy person recognized which may allow them to tap into alumni donations for their own non-profit or project.

  246. 246.

    El Caganer

    January 24, 2017 at 10:49 am

    @hovercraft: Well, don’t give your goddam home address for your coke shipments.

  247. 247.

    Kay

    January 24, 2017 at 10:50 am

    WASHINGTON — The F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, told his top agents from around the country that he had been asked by President Trump to stay on the job running the federal government’s top law enforcement agency, according to people familiar with the matter.

    What a shame. The public will never get answers on the FBI’s unprecedented intrusion in the Presidential election or why Director Comey selectively releases information.

    It will remain secret forever. Another questionable election where real concerns are buried to protect institutional actors and powerful people.

    They can’t do this over and over without real consequences. They can’t tell people to shut up and move on forever. They have no credibility. It’s not an endless resource, credibility. You can’t just withdraw and withdraw and leave IOU notes. We deserve an explanation. I know it’s best for all these powerful people to pretend what we all saw happen didn’t happen, but at some point someone somewhere needs to be held accountable.

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    Immanentize

    January 24, 2017 at 10:50 am

    El Caganer: The rich really do have all the advantages these days!

  249. 249.

    hovercraft

    January 24, 2017 at 10:51 am

    @bemused:
    They are all pulling in the same direction, Newt wants NBC banned for actually committing journalism.

  250. 250.

    Jeffro

    January 24, 2017 at 10:52 am

    @El Caganer: Amen.

    it’s just more bullshit, the thought that Trump is “sharing custody” (I hope he hears that line btw; he’ll scream himself purple yelling at her). He doesn’t share a thing. it’s also not the role of the press to ‘share’ America with the president or anyone else – they are there to report on and critique what our elected officials are doing (or in this case, destroying)

  251. 251.

    Immanentize

    January 24, 2017 at 10:52 am

    @Kay: It is a shame, but there is no such thing as forever secrets in government — but nothing is likely to be done soon (earliest chance — 2 years and retake the House).

  252. 252.

    O. Felix Culpa

    January 24, 2017 at 10:53 am

    @Immanentize:

    I have a serious recommendation on the alum award issue, write to the alumni president about this concern, and include the names of five people who are really deserving of such an award regardless of wealth.

    Excellent idea! Ironically, one of the last CEO’s to get thusly awarded was booted by his company not long afterwards.

  253. 253.

    Timurid

    January 24, 2017 at 11:00 am

    @Kay:

    He’ll also undoubtedly try to interfere with the inter-agency investigation.

  254. 254.

    Immanentize

    January 24, 2017 at 11:02 am

    @O. Felix Culpa: I would include that little factoid in my letter!

  255. 255.

    Jeffro

    January 24, 2017 at 11:03 am

    Also, in more “water is wet” news, David Brooks is a jackass. No, I’m not going to link to it. He’s not really feeling the love for the Women’s March (shock and surprise). Here’s the worst of his three reasons why:

    Finally, identity politics is too small for this moment(1). On Friday, Trump offered a version of unabashed populist nationalism. On Saturday, the anti-Trump forces could have offered a red, white and blue alternative patriotism(2), a modern, forward-looking patriotism based on pluralism, dynamism, growth, racial and gender equality and global engagement.(3)

    Instead, the marches offered the pink hats, an anti-Trump movement built, oddly, around Planned Parenthood, and lots of signs with the word “pussy” in them. The definition of America is up for grabs. Our fundamental institutions have been exposed as shockingly hollow.(4) But the marches couldn’t escape the language and tropes of identity politics.

    Soon after the Trump victory, Prof. Mark Lilla of Columbia wrote a piece on how identity politics was dooming progressive chances. Times readers loved that piece and it vaulted to the top of the most-read charts.

    But now progressives seem intent on doubling down on exactly what has doomed them so often. Lilla pointed out that identity politics isolates progressives from the wider country: “The fixation on diversity in our schools and in the press has produced a generation of liberals and progressives narcissistically unaware of conditions outside their self-defined groups, and indifferent to the task of reaching out to Americans in every walk of life.”

    Sure enough, if you live in blue America, the marches carpeted your Facebook feed. But The Times’s Julie Bosman was in Niles, Mich., where many women had never heard of the marches, and if they had, I suspect, they would not have felt at home at one.

    Identity-based political movements always seem to descend into internal rivalries about who is most oppressed and who should get pride of place. Sure enough, the controversy before and after the march was over the various roles of white feminists, women of color, anti-abortion feminists and various other out-groups.

    The biggest problem with identity politics is that its categories don’t explain what is going on now. Trump carried a majority of white women. He won the votes of a shocking number of Hispanics.(5)

    1) …which is why the March was so age, gender, race, and class-open that it drew 3M people, David.
    2) …yes, because we’re certainly going to be able to out-patriot Trump and the GOP with more red, white, and blue David.
    3) …otherwise known as, the Democratic Party, you jackass
    4) …noooo, it wasn’t our “institutions” that were “fundamentally hollow”, you jackass. One of our two major parties has reached its logical end after 4 decades of Cleek’s Law principles and billionaire ownership. To say nothing of being compromised by Russia.
    5) …funny that a male would only think of ‘identity politics’ primarily in terms of race.

    I wonder what Brooks would say if HRC was a 46%-of-the-vote, China-aided president and 3M Americans hit the streets in protest the day after her inauguration. Wait…3M mostly male Americans. I wonder…

  256. 256.

    bemused

    January 24, 2017 at 11:04 am

    @hovercraft:

    You’d expect Newt to be right in there hoping to get back in the grifting game. The grift has got to be pretty paltry now compared to his hay days shooting out outrageous quotes like women can’t be in combat because they get infections lying in ditches.

  257. 257.

    Another Scott

    January 24, 2017 at 11:04 am

    @O. Felix Culpa:

    Our Indivisible group (former HRC volunteer leadership team) is going to their offices today to present a letter commending them for their work thus far and asking them to continue opposing Sessions, Tillerson, DeVos, etc.

    Excellent.

    I’m not a telephone person. I’ve occasionally written my Congresscritters and Obama via their web forms. I hate using them because you have to pick a category (which often doesn’t fit), it’s time consuming, you never get a copy of what you submit, and weeks later you get a canned response via the mail which doesn’t really indicate whether they actually read your submission.

    Today I decided to just buy a bunch of pre-stamped post cards from USPS.

    USPS.com -> Postal Store – > Cards & Envelopes -> See All -> Fanciful Flowers Stamped Card seems to be the only kind available.

    $0.38 each

    I figure it will be easier to quickly write a note and drop it in the mail the next morning. And being hand-written, it might get a little more attention than something from a web form. And it should be easy to make it a regular habit.

    Unfortunately, the USPS site is undergoing maintenance at the moment, so I’ll have to actually make the purchase later.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  258. 258.

    hovercraft

    January 24, 2017 at 11:07 am

    @Timurid: @Immanentize:
    Aren’t we in the age of leakers? Haven’t the right wing ben singing the praises of every leaker this side of Moscow for the last year? As we all saw nothing can be kept secret anymore, Gulliani’s old friends in the NY office may have leaked like a sieve, but I guarantee there are enough anti-shitgibbon people out there to ensure that the truth leaks out. The Shitgibbon badmouthing the people with all the dirt for the last year, was not smart, his visit aggravate even more of them, they will not let this be disappeared. The truth will out. Comey can rejoice in his job security, but his name and reputation are forever tarnished. Oliver North is a hero and a celebrity to FOX and the right wing, but to the rest of us he is scum, welcome to your new world Comey.

  259. 259.

    Immanentize

    January 24, 2017 at 11:07 am

    @Timurid: This is an interesting Q — since the whole brouhaha about the “WALL OF EVIL” that supposedly prevented our intelligence agencies from cooperating (It did not), there is a whole lot more cross-over jurisdiction between, particularly, the CIA and the FBI with the NSA coming up on the inside (they have agents, but not as many boots on the ground as the other two. This longstanding rivalry has had really bad consequences and some pleasant side effects — namely, no one federal security apparatus. For Trump to really consolidate power, either the FBI or the CIA would have to go. That might be his plan when denigrating the CIA….

  260. 260.

    fedupwithhypocrisy

    January 24, 2017 at 11:15 am

    @bemused, @Morzer, @danielx: It was Sara Taylor who said she took an oath to the President. And you can have the pleasure of watching Sara Taylor Fagen on CNBC, and occasionally on MSNBC, where she gives analysis as a member of their posse of GOP “Trump-skeptics,” because Republicans only fail upward, apparently.

  261. 261.

    Another Scott

    January 24, 2017 at 11:15 am

    @Kay: Eh? The FBI director has a 10 year appointment. Trump has no power to “ask him to stay on the job” as if he’s reappointing him now – he’s going to be there until September 4, 2023 unless he’s fired or quits.

    This is more BS from Trump’s people and Comey.

    (sigh)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  262. 262.

    SFBayAreaGal

    January 24, 2017 at 11:17 am

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: In 1980, I bought a 1980 Pontiac Sunbird (my first brand new, off the car lot, car) I was paying 18% on my car loan at the time.

  263. 263.

    bemused

    January 24, 2017 at 11:19 am

    @fedupwithhypocrisy:

    Thanks for the correction. Both of them were in the news at the time, young, blonde, fundy women, could have been twin sisters!

  264. 264.

    Timurid

    January 24, 2017 at 11:22 am

    @Immanentize:

    He won’t directly order anyone to stop work. But as Director he has a thousand subtle ways to stall, divert resources and spread confusion.

  265. 265.

    hovercraft

    January 24, 2017 at 11:23 am

    @bemused:

    women can’t be in combat because they get infections lying in ditches.

    Oh dear I missed that one. Wow, just wow, how is this man still allowed to opine on anything? Stupid question, every rethug on TV has a ridiculous quote or two to their name.

  266. 266.

    Another Scott

    January 24, 2017 at 11:23 am

    @Kay:

    The public will never get answers on the FBI’s unprecedented intrusion in the Presidential election or why Director Comey selectively releases information.

    I’m not so sure. The DOJ IG is investigating Comey and Comey has no control over the IG (especially not at the DOJ), and neither does the AG. It’s a total[ly] separate chain of command.

    Can Donnie break the chain to try to protect Comey? Sure. But there would be severe consequences.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  267. 267.

    Neldob

    January 24, 2017 at 11:24 am

    Anybody know what’s happening with FEMA and the tornados in the South?

  268. 268.

    bemused

    January 24, 2017 at 11:31 am

    @hovercraft:

    It’s a feature, not a bug and worse than ever.

    CNN hired the vile lunatic Jeffrey Lord who just made a bizarre, creepy correlation between NAFTA and dry cleaning blood on women’s clothing. We have people on tv and in the WH that belong in a secure facility for the mentally deranged.

  269. 269.

    Aleta

    January 24, 2017 at 11:31 am

    @Kay: They block some of our collective memory (so to speak) of the history of these events by monitoring and objecting to the ‘political content’ of what’s taught in the schools. And new voters come along who didn’t experience what happened, for example, 16 years ago. The attack on public schools and teachers’ power is about political control.

  270. 270.

    Another Scott

    January 24, 2017 at 11:38 am

    @Neldob: Not a whole lot of info about FEMA out there. I did find this at GovExec (from December):

    Leading the Federal Emergency Management Agency is a high-risk proposition. The agency’s administrator is always one failed emergency response away from opprobrium and dismissal.

    So perhaps W. Craig Fugate’s most impressive accomplishment is simply surviving nearly eight years at the helm of FEMA. (He took charge of the agency in May 2009, after serving as Florida Gov. Jeb Bush’s emergency management director.) Along the way, he’s attracted attention for his Waffle House index of disaster recovery and for promoting the notion of whole-community response to incidents.

    But what Fugate may be most proud of is what he has done in an area where many political appointees fall short: day-to-day management of his agency. As his tenure comes to a close and he plans a return to Florida, Fugate spoke to Government Executive about changes in FEMA’s policies, procedures and operations over the last seven and a half years. Below are excerpts from that interview.

    […]

    On whether he would stay on in the Trump administration if asked:

    Nah, it’s time to go home. In any organization, over a period of time, you get to the point where you’re executing what you’ve been doing, and you’re refining it. But organizations constantly — particularly organizations like FEMA — they need new blood. They need new thinking. They need new leadership. Seven years, eight months — I think it’s time for a new infusion.

    Before the election, I already knew I was going home and had told people that I would not stay. But I’m proud of the fact that I think I’m leaving FEMA in better shape than I found it. This is a very strong team, here, with the career leadership in the Senior Executive Service. And I’m quite confident that serving an incoming administration, being able to execute the mission and do the day-to-day, is well in hand.

    That seems to indicate that it was April 2009 before he took the job. I haven’t seen any report that Donnie has said he has anyone in mind to appoint yet. There’s almost nothing relevant on FEMA’s Georgia page.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  271. 271.

    laura

    January 24, 2017 at 11:39 am

    @Morzer: Monica Gooding the unabashed vote-cager and handmaiden to Hans Von Spasovsky?
    And Don Seigalman sits in prison. . . .
    Fucking justice, how does it work?

  272. 272.

    O. Felix Culpa

    January 24, 2017 at 11:42 am

    @Another Scott:

    Today I decided to just buy a bunch of pre-stamped post cards from USPS.

    Great idea! I tried to buy those postcards at my local post office yesterday and they were out of stock. I’m trying the main post office today after delivering our letter to our Senators’ offices. It will be useful to have a stack handy.

    If you manage to get those postcards today, please consider sending one to T***p with this message: “Don’t make America sick again. Improve Obamacare. Don’t repeal it.” We want a mountain of mail to be delivered to this address:

    Pres. Donald Trump
    ‪1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW,
    ‪Washington, DC 20500‪

  273. 273.

    cmorenc

    January 24, 2017 at 11:42 am

    @Baud:

    @Yoda Dog: If a Trump voter feels true remorse and starts voting for Dems like a yellow dog, I’ll consider forgiveness. I do not support specifically chasing such voters however.

    This is not the right way to look at the pool of Trump voters, sorely tempting though it may be on the merits of anyone whose judgment was corrupted enough to vote for the shit-gibbon, for whatever dominant reason. INSTEAD, consider more closely the “pool” metaphor and the fact that most swimming pools have a deep end and a shallow end – and its the voters who chose to only wade less than knee-deep in the Trump pool because it seemed warmer who are worthwhile reachable once they realize it’s only warm because of all the fresh piss in it. We don’t need to bring all that many back over to our pool to succeed in winning future elections, nor do we need to pamper them specially for them to do so – rather all we really need to do is make them realize the Trump pool is hazardous to their health and the health department would shut it down if the health department wasn’t so corrupt itself at the moment. FORGET ABOUT all the sick morons splashing about noisily down at the deep end of the Trump voter pool -we don’t need ’em, don’t want ’em.

  274. 274.

    O. Felix Culpa

    January 24, 2017 at 11:54 am

    @cmorenc:

    FORGET ABOUT all the sick morons splashing about noisily down at the deep end of the Trump voter pool -we don’t need ’em, don’t want ’em.

    From what I have seen of Baud, there’s no illusion about bringing hardcore Trump voters into the fold. My interpretation is that the reference is to those at the margins – or shallow end – as you put it. They might be peeled away.

    To me, the most fruitful tactic is to target our soft allies who somehow neglected to vote in 2016. We only needed about 80,000 plus 1 over three states to win the Electoral College. At least that many non-voters may already be regretting their inaction. PLUS we must protect and extend voting rights and help people register and get to the polls. It isn’t a huge stretch of imagination to think that at least 80,000 plus 1 were discouraged or prevented from voting by restrictive, complicated laws, disinformation, and nonworking voting machines. We need to turn that around.

    Edited a bit.

  275. 275.

    cmorenc

    January 24, 2017 at 11:59 am

    @Jeffro: Well, to a limited extent, there actually is a vaild point buried in the pile of nice polite Republican nonsense David Brooks is spewing: progressives won’t get traction to the extent they seem to be making LBGT and “black lives matter” and abortion the spearpoint of their movement, rather than economic and social fairness and opportunity – of which the aforementioned issues are certainly important parts, but not the leading sharp edge. For all his many flaws, Bernie Sanders best illustrated how to best present the leading edge of the progressive ideal, without at the same time throwing any of these three important issues overboard.

  276. 276.

    fedupwithhypocrisy

    January 24, 2017 at 12:07 pm

    @bemused: Yes, two shameless peas in a pod. If I recall, Goodling took the 5th, actually.

  277. 277.

    rikyrah

    January 24, 2017 at 12:07 pm

    @Jeffro:

    The biggest problem with identity politics is that its categories don’t explain what is going on now. Trump carried a majority of white women. He won the votes of a shocking number of Hispanics.(5)

    He won 18% of Hispanics.

    Brooks is right…should have been under 10%

  278. 278.

    chopper

    January 24, 2017 at 12:12 pm

    @Kay:

    it isn’t too a bad analogy – trump is the scumbag philandering father of a divorced national family. just not the way conway intended.

  279. 279.

    Gelfling 545

    January 24, 2017 at 12:18 pm

    @Bruce K: Nixon was forced to resign by the immense public pressure on him and the Congress. It can be done again. Besides, I don’t think That Person is enjoying himself just now.

  280. 280.

    Another Scott

    January 24, 2017 at 12:24 pm

    @cmorenc: Relitigating the past isn’t the way forward, but I can’t resist in this instance.

    For all his many flaws, Bernie Sanders best illustrated how to best present the leading edge of the progressive ideal, without at the same time throwing any of these three important issues overboard.

    Many flaws, yes indeed.

    How to best present the progressive ideal? I’m not so sure.

    Ultimately, in order to get progressive legislation enacted, one has to be able to persuade Senators and Congresspeople to vote for your preferred policies. Bernie has shown little or no ability to do that. His legislation rarely has cosponsors. He attacks people that he needs (the Democratic party, etc.). He uses inflammatory rhetoric that prevents people from ever shifting their support from him to anyone else (J still uses Bernie’s “Corrupt”™ language to talk about Hillary and the Party).

    Giving the same speech for 18+ months isn’t a sign of knowing the right way to get elected.

    He’s not a very good politician when it comes to actually getting things done, and the way he campaigned did real damage.

    My $0.02.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  281. 281.

    chopper

    January 24, 2017 at 12:31 pm

    @manyakitty:

    Where do you land on Nikki Haley

    never thought about that before. shoulders? top of the head?

  282. 282.

    O. Felix Culpa

    January 24, 2017 at 12:36 pm

    @Another Scott:

    My $0.02.

    Hear, hear!

  283. 283.

    manyakitty

    January 24, 2017 at 12:39 pm

    @chopper: Heh. Either are valid.

  284. 284.

    George

    January 24, 2017 at 1:07 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly: I am not convinced that the Spencer punching incident was not staged. It wasn’t as much of a punch as it was an elbow, and Spencer managed to walk away. How convenient that it happened on camera as well. I think it may very well have been an attempt by Spencer get a little street cred.

  285. 285.

    fuckwit

    January 25, 2017 at 12:42 am

    @Baud: Yeah you should have been born a rich sociopath; that appears to be the fast-track to success, at least in politics, venture capital, entertainment, and real estate development.

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