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You are here: Home / Open Threads / Adding to Dave

Adding to Dave

by Tim F|  January 26, 20172:52 pm| 136 Comments

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I doubt there is anything especially unique about Richard Burr. GOP leaders would prefer you did not know this, but Republicans are feeling deeply queasy about Trump right now. His manic behavior is increasingly putting them between an impossible rock and a hard place. If we cannot help having a compromised lunatic at the helm then AT THE VERY LEAST we should insist on cabinet-level officials who can find their own department with a map.

Has your Republican Senator heard from you lately? Check in and encourage him or her to stand up for some basic minimum qualifications in cabinet nominees. Yes I know that evil plus competency gives you Dick Cheney. Maybe that does not seem like much of an upgrade, but Trump goes insane when people tell him no. The Republican party could collapse into bloody infighting. Why not help that along? Also let em know that if they mess with Medicare you will personally drive your grandmother to their local ffice and leave her there until she runs out of things to yell.

You know what else is fun? Getting together with twenty five thousand of your best friends and having a dance party. I found out later that Pittsburgh actually had TWO marches; apparently organizers got in a social media fight with each other and the two camps each held their own march. Did any readers attend the one in East Liberty?

Here is the part where I climbed a lamp pole to get a good crowd shot and almost fell off at the end.

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  1. 1.

    Raoul

    January 26, 2017 at 2:59 pm

    That was worth watching to the end! :)

  2. 2.

    Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.)

    January 26, 2017 at 2:59 pm

    I don’t wish that I had a Republican senator right now, so I could call them and bitch at them about their manbaby president. I almost wish I did… But not quite.

  3. 3.

    rikyrah

    January 26, 2017 at 3:03 pm

    He boarded Air Force One and DID NOT TURN AROUND TO WAVE.

    You know…as Presidents have done for DECADES.

    PS-Nobody was there to meet him at the airport in Philly.

    BWA HA HA HA HA AH AH AH

  4. 4.

    TaMara (HFG)

    January 26, 2017 at 3:03 pm

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.): Want my zip code so you can call mine? He’s evil and I don’t think that’s hyperbole.

  5. 5.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    January 26, 2017 at 3:03 pm

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.): I haven’t seen a list, but the word this morning is that only 17 Dem Senators have committed to a ‘no’ on Sessions. And even if yours is a good one, it doesn’t hurt to thank them for doing the right thing. I believe they keep a pretty simple tally on these things, too.

    also, too

    Dan Pfeiffer ‏@ danpfeiffer 27m27 minutes ago
    Any Democrat that votes for Sessions to be in charge of protecting civil and voting rights is going to end up on the wrong side of history

  6. 6.

    TaMara (HFG)

    January 26, 2017 at 3:03 pm

    @rikyrah: Context?

  7. 7.

    MomSense

    January 26, 2017 at 3:04 pm

    At the sister march I attended we sang that song, too. I was with a singing group which was a lot of fun.

  8. 8.

    kindness

    January 26, 2017 at 3:04 pm

    Pretty sad when liberals can’t agree on marching against Trump. See November elections if you need another example.

  9. 9.

    Mnemosyne

    January 26, 2017 at 3:05 pm

    Not enough pink hats! Your Pittsburgh crafters fell down on the job.

    I’m already sorting through my stash to find some nice summer weight pink cotton. Maybe in a simple lace pattern for ventilation in the summer heat. ?

    Also, leaders of the local activist group I’m joining up with are meeting with Gov. Brown today with the support of our new partners at the National Action Network. Yes, it’s Rev. Al Sharpton’s group, but they know how to do sit-ins and protests.

    If having a bunch of middle-aged, middle-class white women in pink hats helps the cops stay calm during a protest, I am happy to go be a foot soldier and support the people doing the actual hard work.

  10. 10.

    Raoul

    January 26, 2017 at 3:08 pm

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks: Hmm. I might need to call Corey Gardner again. The other day I had a chirpy but stupid Denver staffer try to deflect my ACA concerns.

    I’m not technically a voter in CO (and I’m not going to be registering in two states, thank you). But I am a homeowner, taxpayer and job creator here in CO. Looking out the window right now at the current -10F wind chill in the high country, in fact.

    My citizen-home is MN, and while Klobuchar can be a bit of a buttered waffle sometimes, we’ve got a decent pair of senators.

  11. 11.

    rikyrah

    January 26, 2017 at 3:09 pm

    @TaMara (HFG):

    He boarded Air Force One- on his way to Philly for the GOP Retreat…

    When Presidents walk up the stairs to AFO, right before they enter, they turn around, and wave back.

    He didn’t do it.

    Also, when the President comes to your City, it’s usual that the Governor and Mayor of that city are there, at the bottom of the stairs, to meet the President.

    NOBODY WAS THERE to meet 45.

  12. 12.

    Villago Delenda Est

    January 26, 2017 at 3:10 pm

    The more astute among the Rethugs (a very small number of the total) are slowly becoming aware that when Donald falls (and he WILL fall) he’s taking all of them with him.

  13. 13.

    Raoul

    January 26, 2017 at 3:11 pm

    Let’s give this man some love, too

    @SenBobCasey
    After @POTUS speech in Philly, I’ll revise my tweet. This IS an effort to suppress legitimate voters & I WILL fight like hell against it.

  14. 14.

    TaMara (HFG)

    January 26, 2017 at 3:13 pm

    @rikyrah: LOL. Thanks I needed that today.

  15. 15.

    crawdad

    January 26, 2017 at 3:14 pm

    Oh my! Trump’s approval rating is at 59%

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_jan26

  16. 16.

    Mike J

    January 26, 2017 at 3:14 pm

    Since the White House public comment line isn’t operational, some people have just been using the Trump Hotel. (202) 695-1100.

  17. 17.

    mdblanche

    January 26, 2017 at 3:18 pm

    Has your Republican Senator heard from you lately?

    No, because my state hasn’t had one for 10 years. Any advice for those of us so blessed?

  18. 18.

    Renie

    January 26, 2017 at 3:18 pm

    Not just GOP getting hammered with calls, I can’t reach Schumer and Gillibrand’s office

  19. 19.

    David Anderson

    January 26, 2017 at 3:18 pm

    We got to save our country but we can have some fun doing it :)

  20. 20.

    hovercraft

    January 26, 2017 at 3:19 pm

    @crawdad:
    And I’m the Queen of Sheba.

  21. 21.

    Another Scott

    January 26, 2017 at 3:20 pm

    Very nice!

    Did you shoot that video on a Pixel? The very smooth panning with very occasional jerks seems to be a feature of those phones.

    Just curious. :-)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  22. 22.

    hovercraft

    January 26, 2017 at 3:21 pm

    @David Anderson:
    Good for you and everyone else who got out. The only thing better would have been if someone was filming the idiot up on the pole who almost fell off and busted his ass ;-)

  23. 23.

    The Truffle

    January 26, 2017 at 3:22 pm

    @crawdad: Isn’t Rasmussen pretty biased toward the GOP?

    Topic? Schumer and Gillibrand are my senators, and lately I’ve been happier with Gillibrand than Schumer. Their phone lines are totally jammed. I tried Schumer’s Hudson Valley office and the mailbox is full.

  24. 24.

    MomSense

    January 26, 2017 at 3:24 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    Yes, our group is talking about doing some similar things. We are also organizing some phone calls and letter writing re: health care.

  25. 25.

    JPL

    January 26, 2017 at 3:25 pm

    News on AF1: Spicer says Trump has decided to pay for the wall with a 20 percent tax on imports as part of overall tax reform.

    I guess we are paying for the wall after all.

  26. 26.

    Renie

    January 26, 2017 at 3:26 pm

    OT Bannon says News Media Should ‘Keep Its Mouth Shut’

  27. 27.

    Ryan

    January 26, 2017 at 3:26 pm

    If you think you’ve seen meltdowns before, just wait until they take away the Presidency in another month and leave him with his twitter.

  28. 28.

    JPL

    January 26, 2017 at 3:27 pm

    @Renie: Was there an or else?

  29. 29.

    Brachiator

    January 26, 2017 at 3:27 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    The more astute among the Rethugs (a very small number of the total) are slowly becoming aware that when Donald falls (and he WILL fall) he’s taking all of them with him.

    The Republican leadership doesn’t care. Trump will be propped up no matter what until at least these two major issues are done: tax reform, featuring major tax cuts for the wealthy and the end of the estate tax; and filling the Supreme Court vacancy. Replacing Obamacare, Medicare and Social Security reform would be icing on the cake, but a tax bill and a new Supreme Court judge are “must do” items.

    Trump could start foaming at the mouth and sending Twitter messages out 24/7 and the GOP would make sure that this would be dismissed as a minor incident blown up by the liberal media.

  30. 30.

    Elmo

    January 26, 2017 at 3:28 pm

    @Mike J: Speaking of fucking with his hotel operations, Any idea what the last-minute cancellation-with-no-charge policy is?

    Asking for a friend.

  31. 31.

    Mike J

    January 26, 2017 at 3:30 pm

    @Elmo: I was wondering that myself. Even if you had to cancel two weeks in advance, a large number would certainly throw projections and pricing off.

  32. 32.

    tobie

    January 26, 2017 at 3:30 pm

    @JPL: Isn’t the Trump administration inviting the WTO to get involved, if we place a 20% tax on imports? What are the penalties for doing something as bone-headed as this?

  33. 33.

    SiubhanDuinne

    January 26, 2017 at 3:30 pm

    This is a great line from Mr. Charles P. Pierce:

    It doesn’t matter if the next nominee is worse. Beat that person, too. It doesn’t matter how tough this may make your next re-election campaign; you didn’t get elected to get re-elected.

    He’s talking about the imperative that every.single.Democrat in the Senate vote against Sessions as AG.

    “You didn’t get elected to get re-elected.” I love it.

    EDIT: Sorry, forgot link. Here:
    http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a52607/democrats-senate-jeff-sessions-vote/

  34. 34.

    Kristine

    January 26, 2017 at 3:30 pm

    @Raoul:

    and while Klobuchar can be a bit of a buttered waffle sometimes

    And Tim F posted

    Also let em know that if they mess with Medicare you will personally drive your grandmother to their local ffice and leave her there until she runs out of things to yell.

    ::laughing::

    Balloon Juice, I love you so. Don’t ever change.

  35. 35.

    zhena gogolia

    January 26, 2017 at 3:31 pm

    @Ryan:

    What makes you think that’s going to happen?

  36. 36.

    hovercraft

    January 26, 2017 at 3:31 pm

    Trump White House wings it with dubious executive actions

    01/26/17 01:03 PM

    By Steve Benen

    Trump has wasted little time, issuing a series of executive orders, directives, and actions, despite months of rhetoric – from the president and his congressional allies – about the tyrannical dangers of the White House making policy without Congress.

    But putting hypocrisy aside, Politico reports today that the situation is even worse than it appears, because the West Wing has made “little effort to consult with” the federal agencies affected by Trump’s latest actions, “stoking fears the White House is creating the appearance of real momentum with flawed orders that might be unworkable, unenforceable or even illegal.”

    The White House didn’t ask State Department experts to review Trump’s memorandum on the Keystone XL pipeline, even though the company that wants to build the pipeline is suing the U.S. for $15 billion, according to two people familiar with the matter.

    Defense Secretary James Mattis and CIA Director Mike Pompeo were “blindsided” by a draft order that would require agencies to reconsider using interrogation techniques that are currently banned as torture, according to sources with knowledge of their thinking.

    The report added that members of Congress weren’t consulted or notified, agency experts didn’t review the actions before their announcement, and even White House staffers don’t know what’s in the new orders, which were reportedly written by Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller, the authors of Trump’s controversial inaugural address. (As a rule, we wouldn’t expect to see a White House in which political writers are responsible for crafting executive orders. They’re very different kinds of products.)

    The only other administration that began with such swift executive actions was Ronald Reagan’s, said David Vladeck, a law professor at Georgetown University and a former official at the Federal Trade Commission. Those directives were more heavily vetted.

    “If you don’t run these kinds of initiatives through the affected agencies, you’re going to get something wrong,” Vladeck said. “A government by edict is not a sustainable idea.”

    That maxim is being tested.

    Politico added that Trump is relying on his “improvisational style.” Or put another way, an amateur president, surrounded by aides with no governing experience whatsoever, are winging it, taking executive actions without really thinking things through.

    Those who take governing and public policy seriously have reason to be alarmed.

  37. 37.

    Spanky

    January 26, 2017 at 3:34 pm

    @Renie: Good! Glad to see the facade start to crack.

    But I’m not clicking on a NYT link.

  38. 38.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    January 26, 2017 at 3:34 pm

    Brian Beutler ‏@ brianbeutler 6m6 minutes ago
    If the price of the wall is $15 billion, and the promise is Mexican reimbursement, surely Trump and a few of his donor friends can front it.

  39. 39.

    JPL

    January 26, 2017 at 3:35 pm

    @tobie: America First

  40. 40.

    hovercraft

    January 26, 2017 at 3:35 pm

    @The Truffle:

    Isn’t Rasmussen pretty biased toward the GOP?

    Scott Rassmusen is a republican pollster, his polls are heavily skewed towards them, but he tends to smooth them out the closer an election gets. So bullshit, unless and until I see this across several polls, I’ll stick with Underwater Donnie sucks the big one, and we mostly hate him.

  41. 41.

    Immanentize

    January 26, 2017 at 3:36 pm

    @Renie: Bannon looks and sounds like a big drunk….

  42. 42.

    Spanky

    January 26, 2017 at 3:36 pm

    @Brachiator: Actually, “voter fraud” is first out of the gate, trying to ensure a permanent Republican hegemony. You can bet the Republicans in office are on board with that!

  43. 43.

    Elmo

    January 26, 2017 at 3:37 pm

    @Mike J: I travel a ton. I usually stay in Marriotts, and last year I treated myself and my wife to a great vacation in San Diego exclusively with points. Hotel, valet parking, on-site food, even a massage.

    Every hotel I’ve ever stayed at only requires that you cancel by 6pm or similar the day before your planned arrival. I’d imagine large numbers of such cancellations would play merry hob with hotel revenue.

    Not that I’d ever countenance such a scheme. Because that would be wrong.

  44. 44.

    hovercraft

    January 26, 2017 at 3:37 pm

    @tobie:
    He doesn’t know anything so when people tell him the shit he’s doing is going to blow up in his face, he doesn’t believe them.

  45. 45.

    Another Scott

    January 26, 2017 at 3:37 pm

    @Elmo: The reviews at Travelocity are all over the map.

    Their Special 10% off deal is to pre-pay the full amount at least 14 days in advance with no refund for cancellation or reduction in the number of days.

    What a bargain! :-/

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  46. 46.

    Mnemosyne

    January 26, 2017 at 3:40 pm

    @crawdad:

    Wait, do they always poll “likely voters” for approval ratings? That seems very weird.

  47. 47.

    Renie

    January 26, 2017 at 3:41 pm

    @Spanky: Irony is he said that while giving NYTimes the interview.

  48. 48.

    rikyrah

    January 26, 2017 at 3:42 pm

    UNITED WE STAND

    NEA: more than one million letters emailed to U.S. Senate in opposition to Betsy DeVos

    — U.S. Senate Update (@USSenateUpdate) January 26, 2017

  49. 49.

    Miss Bianca

    January 26, 2017 at 3:45 pm

    @TaMara (HFG): And to think we dumped Udall for that piece o’ crap. I’m steeling myself to call his office.

  50. 50.

    rikyrah

    January 26, 2017 at 3:45 pm

    Here comes the enemies list.

    Virginia group to publish Nazi-like blacklist of businesses ‘openly hostile’ to Trump

  51. 51.

    rikyrah

    January 26, 2017 at 3:46 pm

    Trump moving forward with “the wall” is an all-out assault on our values. Americans of every race, gender & creed will hold him accountable.

    — Tom Perez (@TomPerez) January 26, 2017

  52. 52.

    rikyrah

    January 26, 2017 at 3:47 pm

    @crawdad:

    It’s Rasmussen

  53. 53.

    Miss Bianca

    January 26, 2017 at 3:48 pm

    @JPL:

    News on AF1: Spicer says Trump has decided to pay for the wall with a 20 percent tax on imports as part of overall tax reform.

    Oh, this is going to end well.

  54. 54.

    rikyrah

    January 26, 2017 at 3:50 pm

    Cheeto Benito still has AN UNSECURED PHONE!!!!

    DA EVERLIVING PHUQ?!?!??!?!

  55. 55.

    M31

    January 26, 2017 at 3:51 pm

    a friend sent me a pic from the Pittsburgh march (not sure which one) of someone holding up a sign saying

    “TRUMP: Yinz is a Jagoff”

    LOL, yup, that’s Pittsburgh alright

  56. 56.

    Spanky

    January 26, 2017 at 3:52 pm

    @Miss Bianca:

    Oh, this is going to end well.

    Meh. It’s going to “end” as soon as Herr Twittler pukes up another harebrained scheme to pay for his Precious. I’m thinking the shelf life of this scheme is ~48 hours.

  57. 57.

    Calouste

    January 26, 2017 at 3:52 pm

    @JPL: I think the US imports a heck of a lot more than $75 billion per year. Where does the rest of that money go?

  58. 58.

    A Ghost to Most

    January 26, 2017 at 3:53 pm

    @TaMara (HFG): Corey certainly is. I was just thinking about sending him another letter.

  59. 59.

    nelle

    January 26, 2017 at 3:53 pm

    Crafters – someone here made herself a small pink pussy hat, stuck a big safety pin through it and wears it on her coat. It’s not just for marches.

    I’ve got my Congressional reps DC and local office numbers in my phone and I’m calling them (all Republicans) so often that not only do they know me, I know how Kay’s cough has come back and how Chad and everyone else in that office is getting worried, though the dr. won’t put her on antibiotics (I’m recommending that cough syrup with codeine). If one line is busy, I call another one. I object carefully to one or two specific things and request that they tally my views, but I treat them as human and some of our conversations have lasted up to twenty minutes.

    Yesterday, I was talking to one staffer about the implications that Congress, an equal branch of the government, is not to have contact with the agencies who provide the data that (one would hope) influence their laws. I said that you can have all the alternative facts you want but Kansas farmers deal with the real world and they won’t be impressed with a senator that doesn’t protect them. And that that senator needs and deserves access to real information on the environment and from the department of agriculture. The senator is head of the Senate Ag Committee. I did notice that the gag order on that department was lifted late yesterday.

    Today, I had about fifteen minutes with a staffer of my rep, who yesterday announced no more public office runs – she will serve this term and that’s it. I encouraged him to talk to her about the immense opportunity this offers her to make a stand for truth and moderate Republican values (hey, it is Kansas and I truly think the country is better with two or more rational parties) – that she can make a mark on history by leading in this way. I don’t think this will go anywhere – she is rather squishy. But I at least wanted to plant the idea in someone’s mind in that office.

  60. 60.

    Brachiator

    January 26, 2017 at 3:54 pm

    @Spanky:

    Actually, “voter fraud” is first out of the gate, trying to ensure a permanent Republican hegemony. You can bet the Republicans in office are on board with that!

    The Republicans already have this. They have gerrymandered districts and soon a compliant Justice Department that will drop all voter suppression investigations. The “voter fraud” nonsense is just Trump’s ego running wild.

    But states will freely use the “voter fraud” myth as an excuse to increase their voter suppression efforts.

  61. 61.

    Renie

    January 26, 2017 at 3:54 pm

    @Miss Bianca: Trump’s supporters won’t understand this will increase consumer prices here in US; so it’s all good PR for Trump to his base.

  62. 62.

    Spanky

    January 26, 2017 at 3:55 pm

    @M31: (Trump, scanning news pics about the demonstrations): “Steve, what language is this?”
    (Bannon, peering over his shoulder.) : (Pause) “I have no idea, sir.”

  63. 63.

    hovercraft

    January 26, 2017 at 3:56 pm

    @rikyrah:
    I know TPM had the story via the Vichy Times, but there’s been barely a peep about it in the media today. As I said yesterday, given how the e-mail server was the biggest security threat in the history of the nation to the media, where the hell are they now? Asshole, Benedict Arnold’s. Steve Benen has a piece about it.

  64. 64.

    oklahomo

    January 26, 2017 at 3:56 pm

    @Immanentize: Sometimes he looks like he just crawled out of an alley after spending the previous evening huffing paint.

  65. 65.

    PPCLI

    January 26, 2017 at 3:59 pm

    @M31: Did any sign say “Trump needs impeached!” ?

  66. 66.

    Gelfling 545

    January 26, 2017 at 3:59 pm

    @JPL: Did anybody tell him that the President doesn’t just get to say 20% tax and it becomes law?

  67. 67.

    hovercraft

    January 26, 2017 at 4:00 pm

    @Miss Bianca:
    I saw somewhere, can’t remember where that Mexico is actually looking at getting out of NAFTA. Between nixing the TPP, and his vow to renegotiate NAFTA, who knows we may soon be living in the America First paradise. Too bad if the side affects are crippling, he’ll have completed the purist dreams of the far left and his followers. WIN !

  68. 68.

    Iowa Old Lady

    January 26, 2017 at 4:00 pm

    @Miss Bianca: OMG, these people have no idea how the economy works.

  69. 69.

    Immanentize

    January 26, 2017 at 4:01 pm

    @oklahomo: He really does — but now he has that super excellent free socialist health care which might land him a new liver.

  70. 70.

    Immanentize

    January 26, 2017 at 4:02 pm

    @PPCLI: With a picture of a sweet kitten?

  71. 71.

    NotMax

    January 26, 2017 at 4:03 pm

    Have never heard of Red Rabbit, but I heartily applaud their integrity and forthrightness.

    Three co-owners of the restaurant Red Rabbit surrendered their minority ownership stake at Twelve Rounds Brewing and said the beer would not be served at their bustling midtown eatery and bar after brewery founder Daniel Murphy’s diatribes on Facebook touched off an angry backlash.

    Murphy faced the wrath of many people late Monday after a Facebook post on his personal page disparaged the Women’s March events on Saturday that drew several million protesters throughout the country challenging the statements and positions of newly inaugurated President Donald Trump.
    [snip]
    In this week’s Facebook message, Murphy wrote: “I am disgusted at all of the people and politicians that supported this anti-Trump event. … I am especially disgusted with the politicians who supported this divisive event. Time to vote all these pieces of garbage out of office.”

    The investors said they were aghast that Murphy, among other things, had in previous posts also railed against Muslims, gays, Hillary Clinton and liberals, and had referred to Barack Obama as a Muslim and a traitor. Source

    Never heard of Twelve Rounds either, but a mental note now etched in stone to avoid their product.

  72. 72.

    Kay

    January 26, 2017 at 4:04 pm

    My daughter went to one in Pittsburgh. I’ll ask if she was with the “east liberty faction”

    Sounds like something she’d do :)

    She said it was 60 degrees so turned into a bit of party. I approve of that. No one will come back if it’s too grim.

  73. 73.

    oklahomo

    January 26, 2017 at 4:06 pm

    @Immanentize: It worked for Cheney…

  74. 74.

    trollhattan

    January 26, 2017 at 4:07 pm

    @M31:
    Yinz made me dive for da Googles and I wasn’t disappointed.

  75. 75.

    Shana

    January 26, 2017 at 4:08 pm

    @hovercraft: Forgive the vagueness of this, but while I was listening to one of the NPR shows earlier today, the host was talking to a Mexican Economic official who said that actually, Mexico really likes NAFTA, it’s been good for the Mexican economy.

  76. 76.

    Kay

    January 26, 2017 at 4:08 pm

    The New York Times now basically exists to assure us that Donald Trump is an okay President.

    They’re the explain-away-Trump paper. “What he MEANT was..” and then something all tidied up and oddly …mind-reading.

  77. 77.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    January 26, 2017 at 4:08 pm

    @rikyrah:

    Also, when the President comes to your City, it’s usual that the Governor and Mayor of that city are there, at the bottom of the stairs, to meet the President.

    Any word it was they snubed Trump or Trump’s people simply forgot to tell anyone the president was coming?

  78. 78.

    Immanentize

    January 26, 2017 at 4:09 pm

    @oklahomo: Liver transplant, heart transplant — if they only had a brain!

  79. 79.

    Richard Mayhew

    January 26, 2017 at 4:10 pm

    @rikyrah: OK, I know where to shop

  80. 80.

    Richard Mayhew

    January 26, 2017 at 4:10 pm

    @rikyrah: OK, I know where to shop

  81. 81.

    sloan

    January 26, 2017 at 4:10 pm

    If you’re on the phone ask about EPA Superfund sites too!

    My wife works for an EPA contractor working on those sites and they can’t get a straight answer as to whether their contract will be renewed next month. Which is in 5 days.

    These sites need to be actively managed and staff needs to be kept in place in order to function. People are already quitting left and right. This is everyone’s drinking water and the water used to produce all the food you eat. It could be randomly contaminated if the sites are not cleaned and monitored on an ongoing basis.

    If not, I’d start drinking bottled water.

    Fucking third world bullshit.

  82. 82.

    trollhattan

    January 26, 2017 at 4:11 pm

    @NotMax:
    You in Sac? This really blew up Tuesday and now I’m wondering if he’ll be in bidnez by Sunday.

    Hasten to add it’s possible wingnut beer fans could keep him afloat (heh). Back when Limbaugh was here a fan opened “Dittos” cafe where the acolytes ate lunch and listened to ol’ Rush. One never knows….

  83. 83.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    January 26, 2017 at 4:11 pm

    @crawdad: Daily approval tracking, WTF? Rassumun says NOT ENOUGH NOISE! They need to do hourly approval polling. It’s the information age. Do it in real time!

  84. 84.

    Immanentize

    January 26, 2017 at 4:12 pm

    @trollhattan: yinz, yous, y’all… We really do want a “you” plural, don’t we?

  85. 85.

    hovercraft

    January 26, 2017 at 4:12 pm

    @Shana:
    It’s been great for all three economies, no matter what the protectionists say. I think the move to look into leaving is being driven by the noises coming from 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., if he does what he claims he will do, or tries to re-negotiate it to the detriment of Mexico, they will look to pull out. Yes it is good for them now, but what will it look like after he mauls it?

  86. 86.

    evap

    January 26, 2017 at 4:13 pm

    @Brachiator: I don’t understand this argument. Pence would sign all of these as well.

  87. 87.

    Kay

    January 26, 2017 at 4:13 pm

    Matthew Yglesias ‏@mattyglesias 56m56 minutes ago
    More
    Are the people who work at CNN/NYT/etc. actually fooled by Trump’s fake-hatred of them or they playing along too?

    This is such a good question. They can’t actually believe that Trump promoting them constantly as “tough!” is intended to harm them, right? It’s obviously flattery. He sees this as an alliance- he plays one role, they play another and both entities benefit. It’s a variation on good cop/bad cop. They’re both COPS, is the thing in that scenario.

  88. 88.

    The Moar You Know

    January 26, 2017 at 4:14 pm

    Twelve Rounds Brewing

    @NotMax: I would have bet money it was one of my local idiot brewers (hundreds of brewers here and not a one of them can brew a decent beer, wtf) but no, it was a likely equally incompetent brewer from San Diego Norte instead.

    Being able to grossly over-hop a batch of wort does not a professional brewer make.

  89. 89.

    NotMax

    January 26, 2017 at 4:14 pm

    @Shana

    Linked to this a while back, but worth another look-see.

    How Mexicans are planning to hit back at Trump

    “Mexicans should plan for a world in which the U.S. is no longer Mexico’s ally, because that is where Trump’s aggressions are leading,” says former Mexican congressman Agustin Barrios Gomez. Source

  90. 90.

    Mike J

    January 26, 2017 at 4:15 pm

    March to release Trump’s taxes, April 15.

    http://taxmarch.org/marches/

  91. 91.

    stinger

    January 26, 2017 at 4:18 pm

    I called my 2 R senators this morning. Made sure I had something I could commend them for, and then told the staffer that I hoped they’d vote against De Vos–education is too important and this nominee is completely unqualified. Both staffers took my name and sounded like they were recording my opinion. I’ll call them again before the vote on the 31st.

  92. 92.

    Lizzy L

    January 26, 2017 at 4:19 pm

    NYT Breaking News: T is proposing a 20% tax on Mexican imports to pay for the wall. He intends that it should be extended eventually to all imported goods.

    I wonder if someone has told him that he cannot impose taxes by fiat, that taxation is Congress’s job, specifically, the job of the House…

  93. 93.

    A Ghost to Most

    January 26, 2017 at 4:20 pm

    @Immanentize:
    I attended college in PA, and my wife grew up next to Hershey. The language they used amongst themselves always eluded me.

  94. 94.

    MCA1

    January 26, 2017 at 4:20 pm

    @rikyrah: Typically shortsighted, however. They’ve unwittingly probably helped the businesses who go out of their way to express their Drumpf hate because they fail to recognize two things: (i) that right now there’s a helluva lot more people out there who would take their list and use it as a handy-dandy “support these businesses” guide, and (ii) Trumpanzees generally live lower on the socioeconomic scale than the Resistance, so their withholding of revenue isn’t going to amount to much, anyway. That’s the thing that’s always amazed me about the valuations of the Trump brand going up recently – the people who support him are by and large people who could never afford to stay in his shitty hotels, anyway, and/or people who are literally afraid to go to the big city. Half of the people who have stayed in his hotels have vowed never to do so again, and hundreds, if not thousands, of businesses have already cancelled group and conference center reservations after their workers have risen up in objection to staying there. His brand is shot in the one business where it was lucrative.

  95. 95.

    NotMax

    January 26, 2017 at 4:20 pm

    @trollhattan

    Slightly to the west – by approximately 2400 miles. ;)

  96. 96.

    Another Scott

    January 26, 2017 at 4:22 pm

    @Mike J: Ah, it’s another Saturday. No excuses not to have a big turnout!

    Thanks for the pointer.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  97. 97.

    Roger Moore

    January 26, 2017 at 4:25 pm

    @Calouste:

    I think the US imports a heck of a lot more than $75 billion per year. Where does the rest of that money go?

    Into the actual cost of building the wall. All the kickbacks to Trump aren’t going to be cheap, you know.

  98. 98.

    Brachiator

    January 26, 2017 at 4:27 pm

    @evap:

    I don’t understand this argument. Pence would sign all of these as well.

    Pence is a dull little religious freak who does not have Trump’s juice with the voters. And for some reason, Balloon Juicers and others think that displacing Trump would be a piece of cake. I don’t think this is true.

  99. 99.

    A Ghost to Most

    January 26, 2017 at 4:27 pm

    @efgoldman:
    Yeah, I’m sure that even inn Cali, there’s no shortage of bigoted beer drinkers.

  100. 100.

    trollhattan

    January 26, 2017 at 4:27 pm

    @NotMax:
    Ah, in the suburbs then. :-)

    Don’t worry, I can boycott him IN PERSON for both of us. He’s a block or two away from my PT.

  101. 101.

    Roger Moore

    January 26, 2017 at 4:29 pm

    @Immanentize:

    Liver transplant, heart transplant — if they only had a brain!

    Unfortunately, too much of Washington needs a courage transplant.

  102. 102.

    Mike in NC

    January 26, 2017 at 4:30 pm

    @oklahomo: Kathleen Parker wrote that Bannon looks like somebody who sleeps in his clothes, possibly on a street grate.

  103. 103.

    Peale

    January 26, 2017 at 4:31 pm

    @Lizzy L: We’ll have to see. Right now, auto companies seem to be responding by stopping some future projects, which really doesn’t do anything. I don’t think this is legal under NAFTA. Marc Thiessen was writing stuff about how Mexico can’t do anything about it because it has an import tax, but I don’t think that’s on US or Canadian goods.

    For now, I’m fine with this and it should be encouraged. It actually isn’t “Mexico” paying for the wall. Its US companies paying for the wall, with the expense passed on to US consumers, who voted for the wall. I don’t think Mexico should respond with its own taxes on US products that are meant for its consumers. That just hurts Mexican who might need those products.

    If we are going to elect a nut, our voters need to pay for these things.

  104. 104.

    JPL

    January 26, 2017 at 4:31 pm

    @NotMax: This is good news for China.

  105. 105.

    The Moar You Know

    January 26, 2017 at 4:35 pm

    And for some reason, Balloon Juicers and others think that displacing Trump would be a piece of cake. I don’t think this is true.

    @Brachiator: Seconded, also, Pence does not have Bannon writing all this crap for him.

    But yeah, actually removing Trump from office would be a GOP civil war, and it’s one I think Trump wins easily. He can get the flying monkeys revved up like nobody else in the partei can.

    ETA: what we all see as insanity the core GOP voter sees as vindication, and a long-overdue delivery on promises made 40 years ago.

  106. 106.

    Tilda Swintons Bald Cap

    January 26, 2017 at 4:37 pm

    @Lizzy L: Estimates are that close to 5 million Americans would lose their jobs if the 20% tariff is imposed on Mexican goods.

  107. 107.

    Ian G.

    January 26, 2017 at 4:38 pm

    @Renie:

    Call the local offices. I got through to both Schumer and Gillibrand’s Long Island staffers to tell them that Sessions must be opposed no matter what. I told Schumer’s staffer that Chuckie needs to use whatever procedural tricks he had to gum up that nomination.

    Gillibrand, I know is going to do the right thing. I still worry about Schumer sometimes. He’s too chummy with the GOP, Wall St, Netanyahu, etc. for my taste. He’d better vote no.

  108. 108.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    January 26, 2017 at 4:46 pm

    @Brachiator:

    Pence is a dull little religious freak who does not have Trump’s juice with the voters. And for some reason, Balloon Juicers and others think that displacing Trump would be a piece of cake. I don’t think this is true.

    I’d agree with you but there is this whole Death Watch vibe over Trump. I keep on dismissing it as I am liberal and hear what I want to hear but there the small inauguration crowd, his leak like a sleeve staff who are scapegoating each other already and the guarded comments from Republicans in Congress. And it’s just in the first week, this is truly strange to watch in action.

  109. 109.

    Brachiator

    January 26, 2017 at 4:46 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    The more astute among the Rethugs (a very small number of the total) are slowly becoming aware that when Donald falls (and he WILL fall) he’s taking all of them with him.

    I just saw the craziness of Trump’s proposed 20 per cent tariff on Mexico’s imports. He claims he discussed this with the GOP leadership.

    Damn. He definitely plans on taking them down with him.

  110. 110.

    Mike in NC

    January 26, 2017 at 4:48 pm

    @Tilda Swintons Bald Cap: Not to mention a trade war with China would leave the shelves of WalMart stores empty and their employees holding pink slips. Looking forward to the Great Trump Recession of 2018.

  111. 111.

    Spanky

    January 26, 2017 at 4:48 pm

    I’ve been told and told by my financial betters (sic) that what Wall Street hates most is uncertainty. Yet here we are in the middle of all this upheaval, and the Dow sails placidly along above 20K. If I didn’t know better, I’d be tempted to believe that they don’t really care, as long as they’re promised moar monies.

  112. 112.

    oklahomo

    January 26, 2017 at 4:49 pm

    @Mike in NC: He’s like a living example of “the Pigpen” trope.

  113. 113.

    Renie

    January 26, 2017 at 4:53 pm

    @efgoldman: I email them too but always get that standard ‘thank you’ back. tried calling instead. my daughter interned in gillibrand’s office one semester and said they just mark on a list what your position is on a topic but I like that tons of people are calling.

  114. 114.

    Brachiator

    January 26, 2017 at 4:54 pm

    @The Moar You Know:

    ETA: what we all see as insanity the core GOP voter sees as vindication, and a long-overdue delivery on promises made 40 years ago.

    Yep. I’m in Southern California. Trump supporters here (and probably those in Arizona as well) got a tingle to their very soul when Trump finally announced the wall construction. These people have felt betrayed for years by a GOP that only gave lip service to their concerns.

    And Trump’s supposed jaw boning with Big Business to keep jobs here is a repudiation of the Wall Street and Chamber of Commerce GOP that never gave a shit about workers, and never even pretended to give a shit, except for blowing free market nostrums up their asses.

  115. 115.

    The Moar You Know

    January 26, 2017 at 4:55 pm

    Not to mention a trade war with China would leave the shelves of WalMart stores empty and their employees holding pink slips.

    @Mike in NC: Wouldn’t be a “recession”, I’m not sure there’s a word for how bad it would be. We can live without Walmart’s cheap crap. What we can’t live without are computers and phones, and the vast majority of the parts for those are made…in China. And it’s not like you can just throw up a factory and start churning them out, even without all the regulatory stuff a fab plant takes 5-6 years to plan and build under ideal circumstances.

  116. 116.

    Captain C

    January 26, 2017 at 4:58 pm

    @rikyrah: All the better for his puppeteer to listen in. Or, more likely, he doesn’t know or care why that may not be a good thing for a man with his job.

  117. 117.

    Calouste

    January 26, 2017 at 5:02 pm

    @The Moar You Know: China mines 95% of the world production of rare earth minerals. You wouldn’t even be able to build certain electronic parts without those, so besides the manufacturing plane, you’ll have to start up a mine somewhere.

  118. 118.

    Brachiator

    January 26, 2017 at 5:04 pm

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: RE: Pence is a dull little religious freak who does not have Trump’s juice with the voters. And for some reason, Balloon Juicers and others think that displacing Trump would be a piece of cake. I don’t think this is true.

    I’d agree with you but there is this whole Death Watch vibe over Trump. I keep on dismissing it as I am liberal and hear what I want to hear but there the small inauguration crowd, his leak like a sleeve staff who are scapegoating each other already and the guarded comments from Republicans in Congress. And it’s just in the first week, this is truly strange to watch in action.

    I don’t totally understand the Trump phenomenon. I don’t know that anyone does, completely.

    But I do know this. We watched Trump take on the entire GOP establishment, from the dull Jeb Bush mainstream, to the New Age Rubio, to the Tea Party Ted Cruz crazies, and crush them. Trump rebuffed every weak Republican demand that he play by their rules and be nice to them, or even take the pledge that he was a true Republican. Instead he bent them to his will, even though they had every opportunity to dump him in favor of a safer candidate before the was fully embraced by GOP voters.

    Now it is too late to stop him. He is a freaking political Keyser Soze. And whenever the oh so wise pundits declare “surely, Trump cannot get out of this jam, surely he has gone too far,” Trump manages to rise up again to cause more havoc.

    I don’t know that Trump can keep this up for a full presidential term. But I don’t know what it might take to finally slow him down.

  119. 119.

    Miss Bianca

    January 26, 2017 at 5:09 pm

    @Brachiator: At this point, I’m just watching the whole thing like it’s a play. Or a horror movie. Doing my bit – picking my battles, contacting my reps – but I’m not going to get into the prediction game because, as Adam S has pointed out: we know it’s going to be bad. What we have no way of knowing is how bad it’s going to get.

  120. 120.

    Mnemosyne

    January 26, 2017 at 5:09 pm

    @Brachiator:

    In the thread above, I linked to an essay by a Venezuelan about the long fight to get rid of Chavez. It seems a little more on point than some of the comparisons to Russia.

    ETA: Also, too, I still think our best option is to swing the House and Senate back to the Democrats because even if Trump manages to get himself thrown out, we’re still stuck with Pence, who is less flashy but creepier.

  121. 121.

    catclub

    January 26, 2017 at 5:11 pm

    @Spanky: I always thought it was confiscating remissions of money to Mexico – at least in Trump’s head – why not?

  122. 122.

    catclub

    January 26, 2017 at 5:19 pm

    Trump had a list of things he was going to do in the first 100 days, and he is going down the list checking them off.

    The interesting one to me is a Constitutional amendment for term limits. I wonder if that will just be dropped.

    the list is here. [pdf if you care] the wall, banning muslims, federal hiring freeze, are all there.

  123. 123.

    catclub

    January 26, 2017 at 5:23 pm

    my posts with https pdf links get dropped. any reason why?

    Trump is going down his list of things for the first 100 days (google seach trump contract america for the item)
    build the wall, muslim ban, federal hiring freeze, …etc

    the funny one is a constitutional amendment for congressional term limits. I wonder if that is going to just get dropped.

  124. 124.

    Roger Moore

    January 26, 2017 at 5:25 pm

    @Brachiator:

    I don’t know that Trump can keep this up for a full presidential term. But I don’t know what it might take to finally slow him down.

    His body. The man is 70 years old and not in good physical condition for a man his age. His mental condition is extremely questionable, too. He’s already shown signs of strain from the campaign. I suspect that he’s going to have a very hard time keeping this up for a whole term, even barring a serious medical event like a heart attack or stroke.

  125. 125.

    catclub

    January 26, 2017 at 5:29 pm

    @Roger Moore: You could be right, but we have been saying he won’t live until the convention and he wont live until the election. I think he is much more durable than you and I would hope.

  126. 126.

    Amadan

    January 26, 2017 at 5:45 pm

    Cross-posting from LGM:

    It strikes me that talk of the 25th Amendment should be spun up to the top of the news agenda – not by official Dem spokesmunchkins, but definitely by surrogates. It should be all over Twitter, there should be a banner about it on the next conveniently situated crane, people should get a mention of it in before they’re cut off on the phone to the local AM nutjob show. Maybe get an op-ed in to just ‘report’ how ‘some people are talking about this’ – care to respond, Senator?

    The point is to force Republicans to say that it is not appropriate/needed/relevant.

    When the time comes for them to pull the plug, they will be seen to be caving in to pressure rather than Acting In the National Interest. The Trumpettes will never forgive them either way, but it will definitely change the views of some of the Trump-curious swing voters, not to mention the morale boost to Dems of being seen to have initiated and won the battle.

    … to which Scott P responded with the delightful:

    I wouldn’t mind hearing talk of “25th Amendment Remedies”.

    Make it a meme, people! Dems have to OWN the #25AmSolutions hashtag.

  127. 127.

    Brachiator

    January 26, 2017 at 5:48 pm

    @Roger Moore: RE: I don’t know that Trump can keep this up for a full presidential term. But I don’t know what it might take to finally slow him down.

    His body. The man is 70 years old and not in good physical condition for a man his age. His mental condition is extremely questionable, too. He’s already shown signs of strain from the campaign. I suspect that he’s going to have a very hard time keeping this up for a whole term, even barring a serious medical event like a heart attack or stroke.

    Interesting speculation, but at best woefully incomplete and lacking in any real knowledge about Trump’s health.

    I wonder, though. As president, can he still avoid an honest and comprehensive medical checkup?

  128. 128.

    Brachiator

    January 26, 2017 at 6:31 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    In the thread above, I linked to an essay by a Venezuelan about the long fight to get rid of Chavez. It seems a little more on point than some of the comparisons to Russia.

    I took a look at it, but I am not sure how it applies. The main opposition in Venezuela were racist, entitled Deplorables. And they were ineffective. Chavez outlasted them politically and was only stopped by dying. Since then, the country is plunging into slow chaos.

    Hmmm. Maybe this IS applicable to the damage that Trump might do if left unchecked.

  129. 129.

    Bill Arnold

    January 26, 2017 at 7:21 pm

    @Immanentize:

    Bannon looks and sounds like a big drunk

    Friend said that he “looks like he lives in a van to make abductions easier”.
    However, Bannon has respectable talent IMO. Entirely misdirected talent, but still.

    (That was a quizzical comment on Bannon’s dress and grooming mainly; normally Trump has a thing about personal appearance, e.g. Bolton rejected because of his mustache; for some reason Bannon got a pass. It would be irresponsible not to speculate, as is said. Not sure why Trump trusts him so much. )

  130. 130.

    Bill Arnold

    January 26, 2017 at 7:27 pm

    @Renie:

    OT Bannon says News Media Should ‘Keep Its Mouth Shut’

    I’m wishing for audio of that interview at the moment.

  131. 131.

    Kathleen

    January 26, 2017 at 7:30 pm

    @oklahomo: He looks like he never takes a shower. My eyeballs itch just looking at his picture.

  132. 132.

    BItter Scribe

    January 26, 2017 at 8:16 pm

    “I am hearing from Republicans…that there is open discussion by members of the President of the United States’ own party about his emotional maturity, stability.”

    Would those be the Republicans who have been in a coma for the last two years?

  133. 133.

    EJ

    January 26, 2017 at 9:09 pm

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.):

    Fortunately one of my Republican senators is Rand Paul. Now, Mitch McConnell is hopeless, but Rand, for all his many faults, seems to be as aghast as any other sane person is at Trump, and his office has been pretty responsive.

  134. 134.

    Gretchen

    January 27, 2017 at 2:49 am

    I live in Kansas. Somebody is organizing Tuesdays at Pat Robert’s office every week. He had 15 people last week. 147 people are interested this week. In Kansas. I’m willing to bet that this has never, ever happened before. So if I go, what should I say? Which of the many issues out there would you present if you were to go to Pat Roberts’ office hour?
    I went to Rep. Kevin Yoder’s last office hour for the first time ever. I waited in line for more than an hour, and then had to get back to work. It had never occurred to me to go to one of his office hours before. The line was out the door and around the block, and I got the impression that people weren’t there to tell him that he is doing a terrific job. I’ve called his office multiple times, and his office help sounds sick to death of constituents.

  135. 135.

    Gretchen

    January 27, 2017 at 2:51 am

    @Mnemosyne: Really, who could be afraid of a middle-aged white lady in a pink hat?

  136. 136.

    Gretchen

    January 27, 2017 at 2:52 am

    @BItter Scribe: No, those are the Republicans who thought they could ride this tiger to victory, and are suddenly realizing that they are the tiger’s lunch.

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