This is pretty awesome (FB page for mooning event):
And, around the business empire that Trump still owns, his critics treat each location as an avatar for the president.
[….]There have been small gestures of pique: lipstick graffiti on the sign at Trump’s golf course in Los Angeles, and a plan for a mass mooning of his hotel in Chicago. There have also been more organized efforts to take time and money away from family businesses — a boycott of stores selling Ivanka Trump’s clothes and a campaign to flood Trump businesses with calls demanding that the president divest from his holdings.
Baud
A little disappointed this isn’t occuring in Miami.
SiubhanDuinne
Full moon that weekend. Nice planning!
Corner Stone
@Baud:
Moon Over My Hammy?
That was bad, Baud. Bad Baud, bad!
Yarrow
For some reason I think the mooning event is dumb. I can’t quite figure out why. Maybe it’s because it seems so trivial and silly and I don’t think Trump’s actions are trivial or silly. I am all for protest and if the mooning event might keep people from booking rooms at Trump’s hotels because of the hassle of dealing with protesters then I’m all for it. As for the event itself I’m not convinced.
Has there been a concerted effort to pre-book rooms at Trump properties and then cancel them at the last minute just before the no-penalty cancellation window closes? Seems like that might hurt his business.
Sebastian
Is there a way to boost Arnold’s ratings through concerted action?
Mike in NC
PALM BEACH, Fla. (AP) — President Donald Trump lashed out Saturday at “this so-called judge” who put a nationwide hold on his executive order denying entry to the U.S. to refugees and to people from seven predominantly Muslim countries. The ruling set in motion another weekend of confusion and chaos around the country.
The White House pledged to swiftly appeal the federal judge’s ruling late Friday, but that didn’t appear to be enough for Trump, who vented his frustrations on Twitter.
“The opinion of this so-called judge, which essentially takes law-enforcement away from our country, is ridiculous and will be overturned!” Trump said.
The government moved quickly to comply with the judge’s order. The State Department reversed visa cancellations for foreigners, and the Homeland Security Department said it’s no longer directing airlines to prevent affected visa-holders from boarding U.S.-bound flights.
Sounds like the Manhattan Mussolini has big plans to get rid of these “so-called judges”. Hope he chokes on his next taco bowl.
Yarrow
@Sebastian: You mean the new Celebrity Apprentice? Trump’s an Executive Producer on it, so if ratings improve he still wins. Best to boycott the whole thing.
sdhays
@Sebastian: Doesn’t Dump still get royalties from “The Apprentice”? The best thing to do would be make it go off the air.
Edit: I see Yarrow beat me to it.
amk
@Yarrow: I am with you. It’s a dumb ‘idea’.
Corner Stone
@Yarrow:
Just sounds like a bunch of assholes, if you ask me.
Baud
@Yarrow: Yeah, I can see that. This isn’t a college bowl game.
zhena gogolia
@Yarrow:
Normally I’d agree with you, but this feels like — ANYTHING ANYONE WANTS TO DO TO CAUSE HIM TROUBLE IS A-OK.
Bostonian
Can we call him
Banoff
ruemara
@Yarrow: It is dumb and probably brought to you by the same folks who are too woke to vote or vote green. Useless.
Sebastian
@Yarrow:
I think he cares less about the money than the butthurt that Arnold is better than him. It would hit right where it bothers him the most.
Mnemosyne
@Yarrow:
It’s dumb, but I don’t feel too strongly about it either way. I would prefer slightly more sophisticated comedy to get the point across.
hitchhiker
The intent is dead serious: asses for taxes. If it was just to flip him off in the most contemptuous way possible, that would be one thing. But there’s a goal — remind the country that we still don’t have the smallest clue what conflicts of interest he’s got.
And we don’t have that clue because he’s essentially flipped us all off. I can get behind asses for taxes. (Pun intended.)
Bostonian
Perhaps a good move would be to attach SKI stickers to everything that says Trump
Yarrow
@Corner Stone: Ha. Indeed.
@zhena gogolia: It’s not going to cause him trouble. It’s just going to get attention and people will roll their eyes and think it’s stupid. Maybe even slightly indecent. And what will it help for protesting him? I can’t see any positive except maybe connecting people who are against Trump. But as an action, nothing.
@ruemara: That’s my feeling.
sdhays
@Yarrow: I guess the idea is to explicitly show disrespect to Dump since it matters so much to him. But it loses its sting a bit when the Object of Scorn himself isn’t there to appreciate it. It might seem more effective to have a mooning protest at the White House where he might see it or at least know that people were outside mooning him while he was watching TV – I mean “presidenting”.
Angrifon
@Sebastian:
Given that Trump is still a producer on the show and thereby earns a percentage of its profits, I’d say this is not a good plan.
Steeplejack (tablet)
@Yarrow:
It feels like it’s too close to the “drum circles and giant puppets” zone.
Yarrow
@Sebastian: Probably he does care more about “winning.” But I think the whole thing is toxic. Plus it enriches Mark Burnett, who is, imho, responsible for Trump being where he is. I want a boycott of all Mark Burnett shows.
@Mnemosyne: Yeah, I don’t feel that strongly about it. I just don’t want it to backfire when there are a few ways that would work better to get the same point across. Maybe a flash mob singing and dancing to some clever anti-Trump, anti-GOP, anti-Putin song.
Mnemosyne
@sdhays:
IIRC, pre-election the Trump hotel in Chicago had been considered by locals to be a nice place to go get drinks or dinner. I went there with my husband a few years ago on the advice of local family members.
So I suspect that this is actually aimed to shame whatever locals still go there to join the boycott, not really directed at Trump himself.
oldster
Yeah, mooning as protest is not my personal cup of tea. BUT:
These days, I don’t to tell anyone else how to resist. I’ll resist how I do it. You resist how you do it.
If it had been up to me, we would have scrapped that silly “pink hat” thing, because wouldn’t that just make us all look ridiculous?
Nope. I was 100% wrong. The pink hats turned out to be galvanizing and essential. We owe a lot of our current momentum to that simple symbol.
Is mooning going to be as successful as the pink hats were? I doubt it, but I don’t know. Maybe it will help spark something that I cannot foresee.
Now, I’m not saying ‘anything goes’ or ‘no enemies to the left’. I think the Black Bloc people are jerks who are going to set back our movement–in part, because it is too easy for fascists to infiltrate their movement and create many mini Reichstag fires. Smashing up property is not what we need right now.
But mooning? Who knows? Might help in some small unforeseen way.
JordanRules
@Angrifon: It’s also a Mark Burnett outfit so definitely don’t want to support. Funny thing is, the ratings may be down more because of the orange dumbass and he doesn’t realize it. But either way, he’s promoting his own show.
delk
For the last few years, the Chicago River has been the ‘big thing’ in the city. That’s why trump plastered his name on the Tower well after it was completed. There is about 70,000 square feet of pretty nice riverfront retail space that is still sitting vacant at the tower.
Apple is building their new Chicago flagship store next door and will be drawing massive crowds when it is completed. Any bets if that retail space ever gets leased? Who would lease it?
Yarrow
@oldster: Yeah, I generally agree with this. I am not really against the mooning. It may be a great idea! Probably depends on how big a crowd they get.
mohagan
Another perfect song lyric line for the post header. Good work Doug!
Mnemosyne
@ruemara:
I am willing to accept assistance from people who stupidly voted third party or didn’t vote who are now willing to admit they made a horrible mistake and want to know what they can do to help.
The people who still insist that it was Hillary’s responsibility to win each of them over individually and not their responsibility as citizens to resist actual fucking fascism can take themselves off to DIAF.
Mnemosyne
@delk:
That’s my thought, too — it’s a locally-directed protest to get locals to stop going there, which is one of the reasons it’s rude and silly.
sdhays
@Mnemosyne: Then more power to them!
Sebastian
@Yarrow:
True true. Still, I am a strong believer that we have to drive him crazy. His ego is the most important thing and any i sult and injury drives him further off the edge. See inauguration numbers and his inability to let go.
Boost the ratings for a show or two and then boycott everything. He will never get over the fact that Arnold had more viewers than him.
Edited typos
Ruckus
@hitchhiker:
Wouldn’t just standing there with one arm raised, middle finger only be better?
You know just actually flip him off. An entire crowd of one finger salutes.
Much better than a row of butts.
Baud
@oldster: Another good point.
Yarrow
@JordanRules: As I said above, Mark Burnett is responsible for us having Trump. I want a boycott of all Mark Burnett shows. Current shows of his that are on include:
Survivor
Celebrity Apprentice
The Voice
delk
@Mnemosyne: The chef who won the two Michelin stars for Sixteen, the restaurant at the tower quit last week to move to Detroit.
trollhattan
@sdhays:
Conflict–engineered or otherwise–is the engine driving all reality TV and Donny certainly understands that. Suspect he’s picking the fight primarily to plump ratings and increase his income. Recall that much of his primary campaign was driven by free airtime as cameras couldn’t turn away from the continual dumpster fire.
This is his sandbox and area of highest competence.
MaryRC
@Sebastian: Arnold and Trump both stand to benefit from this “feud” which seems about as real as any celebrity “feud” these days — it’s a way of drawing attention to themselves and their product. As others have pointed out, Trump is a producer of the show and stands to gain as much as Arnold does. It’s amusing but it’s as fake as a talking cat.
Mnemosyne
@Ruckus:
It’s a Chicago thing. I don’t entirely get it myself, which is one of the reasons I’ve lived out here for 25+ years, but the locals understand it.
Yarrow
@Mnemosyne: Are locals still going to the Trump hotel/bar/restaurant? Seems like it wouldn’t be very popular these days. That being said, consistent protests of whatever sort that would deter locals from going are probably a good thing. Those could take any form, from mooning, to silent marches, to flash mobs.
Ruckus
@Yarrow:
Ahhhh, all the classy shows.
You know, my time isn’t worth a whole lot in the general scheme of things, but it is worth a fuckton more than spending one second of it watching any of that crap.
Ruckus
@Mnemosyne:
Oh I understand it, and I only lived in the Chicago area for 3 months.
It’s just a silly show of kiss my ass. Way too timid for these times.
Corner Stone
@oldster:
Woah. That is a pretty big but, if I do say so myself.
Yarrow
@Ruckus: I hope it’s one of many protests. So far doesn’t seem like there are others.
randy khan
@MaryRC:
FWIW, I think Ahnold’s disdain for Trump is genuine. (That doesn’t mean the feud isn’t artificial, but he’s been on record against Trump for quite a while.)
ruemara
@Mnemosyne: I haven’t seen many of those people with regrets. They’re just smugger now. Not saying they don’t exist, just that I haven’t seen them much.
gene108
@Yarrow:
Offensive protests maybe funny in a person’s drum circle, but it’ll play badly on Fox News and CNN, because it will paint ALL ANTI-TRUMP PROTESTERS with a broad brush of being immature and offensive.
We are struggling to get people to disassociate violent anarchists as being different than peaceful liberal protestors.
This mooning does nothing but blur the distinction between liberals with an actual point to make and troublemakers.
As much as we loathe them, we need the Totebaggers onboard the anti-Trump and anti-everything-Republican train.
Also, keep in mind, Fox News turned two black dudes, in matching outfits, who held the door open for little old white ladies, outside of a Philadelphia polling place, in 2008, into the biggest voter intimidation effort since Bull Connor. People were all worked up about the New Black Panther Party subverting democracy.
If they can do that with a non-story, they’ll have a field day with people mooning a Trump building.
EDIT: We need to win the media, in order to win at the polls. It’s hard enough on a good day to get past both-siderism, but Fox News is working extra hard to normalize Trump and cast shade on anti-Trump protests.
Latest thing I saw, from early last week was : Why are liberals so worried about foreigners, when 4000 (black) people get murdered in Chicago “everyday”? Why don’t liberals care about Americans?
Roger Moore
@Corner Stone:
I like big BUTs, and I cannot lie.
Amaranthine RBG
There are fire alarms on every floor of every Trump property.
There are people working in the kitchens of every Trump property who have direct access to food eaten by people who have decided that February 2017 is a good time to give a little money to Donald Trump by staying in his properties.
The grass on every green of every golf course owned by Donald Trump can be killed by application of readily-available substances.
There are ventilation systems in every one of Trump’s hotels that will efficiently spread sulfur rich fumes throughout the entire property.
The mooning is a nice idea, too.
JordanRules
@Yarrow: Yup. Fake ass, mega rich Christian who probably has Dolt 45 on tape saying and possibly doing some very unchristian things.
I used to like The Voice, but I’m not watching any of his shows these days.
Another thing to consider as we all grow into this resistance life, it’s going to be and look diverse just like all of us. It’s one of the ideals we’re fighting for. That said, sometimes it will be more helpful than others. Critique and analysis with growth is cool and part of this process.
Amaranthine RBG
@Mnemosyne:
And I am willing to accept assistance from people who actively pushed to nominate an uninspiring moderate like Clinton when polls showed that Bernie had a much better chance of defeating Trump.
Welcome to the struggle.
Mnemosyne
@Yarrow:
I’ll have to ask my in-laws, but being a Trump hotel in the middle of a deep-blue city surrounded by a ring of pale blue counties is probably not doing much for their bottom line.
Yarrow
@gene108: Well, yes. But we can’t control what people decide to do and if enough people want to moon the Trump hotel in Chicago, they will.
Given the large number and variety of protests all across the country I think there’s a chance it could be somewhat forgotten or seen as a local issue. If it turns into a mooning of Trump properties across the US, then it could be a bigger issue.
If Fox can turn two guys holding open a door at a polling station into a voter intimidation effort then they can do it with anything–traffic, a child on a tricycle, marathon runners. You name it. The key is to have enough evidence to counter their attempts.
Mnemosyne
@Amaranthine RBG:
Yeah, the guy who lost the Democratic primary by 3 million votes was totally going to beat Trump. Because the anti-Semitic white supremacist never would have mentioned that Sanders is Jewish.
Your delusions are fascinating.
Yarrow
Speaking of more things to resist against, saw this:
Everything old is new again.
GregB
@Amaranthine RBG:
Take your chemical poisoning tactics to Breitb**t please.
Corner Stone
@Amaranthine RBG: Yeesh.
JordanRules
@Amaranthine RBG: LMAO!!!!!!!
Wooo!!! Chile bye!
Amaranthine RBG
@GregB:
You may use a spade, instead, if you wish.
It is important to properly aerate soil to foster a healthy biomass.
Ruckus
@Amaranthine RBG:
That is a very, very, very blue sky in your world. You might want to put down the pipe for a while and give it a fucking rest. You fucking lost. Fucking Bernie, the guy who thinks we should play nice with the Republican president………..couldn’t make it out of the primary.
If anyone should be welcomed to the struggle it should be you.
Baud
@Amaranthine RBG: It’s very big of you to accept assistance from the majority.
Yarrow
@JordanRules: Agreed. Protesting will have to grow and change as people learn what works.
GregB
Admins.
Please remove my comment at #57.
The intent of my post is that such tactics suggested at post 50 should not be tolerated here.
scav
Seems to be a lot of Goldilocking going on: This protest is too rude, this protest is too accommodating, this protest is too contaminated with people I once disagreed with. As though there is only a single, perfect technique before which all will inevitably fall and the important thing is to sit tight and have long technical debates about which it is to be, throughly mine the historical record and literature for evidence and then run a few double-blind experiments and maybe do a spot of focus-grouping as well before rolling out the unique supreme magical event with only carefully vetted camera friendly enactors of impeccable breeding and style. There are a lot of cats that need skinning, and many ways to remove the epidermis and so very very few examples of perfect actions done by perfect people that resulted in perfect results to universal love and acclaim.
Amaranthine RBG
@Ruckus:
The progressive resistance tent is large enough to accommodate moderate corporatists as well. Welcome.
Let a thousand flowers bloom, my friend.
JordanRules
@Baud: Welcoming the 90 some odd % of black women to the “struggle” too. Fucking hilarious!!!!!!
Amaranthine RBG
@scav:
Exactly, there is no one resistance.
If your thing is making phone calls to corporate shills in congress. Go groove on that.
If your thing is blowing shit up (in a legal and safe and thoughtful way), have at it.
There are a thousand things wrong with Trump. There are a thousand ways to fight him.
Yarrow
@scav: If you read the thread there is a wide discussion of protests in general. Discussions about whether protests such as mooning will be effective, acknowledgement that previous ideas that people thought wouldn’t work were actually great ideas so sometimes people are wrong, and that protests will be diverse, methods will be tried and judged as effective or not, and protesting will grow and change. We’ll see how the mooning protest works.
Chip Daniels
@gene108:
You can’t win people who don’t want to be won, or you can’t reason people out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into.
Fox News doesn’t actually believe the shit they spew; but they want to.
Their viewers don’t honestly believe global warming is a hoax; but they desperately want to.
It doesn’t matter is a bunch of well dressed white guys earnestly and politely disagree with Trump; they will be violent crazed Dhimme thugs.
The rightwing has multitudes of crazies and nutjobs up to and including murderers of abortion doctors and actual goosestepping Nazis.
Allowing ourselves to fret over some guys mooning is self defeating.
germy
@Yarrow:
Shark Tank
Joyce H
@Sebastian:
I concur that we need to make him more visibly crazy, since that’s what it’s going to take to motivate those who can take action to remove him from office. And targeting his businesses are the way to do that, since that’s where he’s invested the bulk of his ego. Not vandalism or unlawful harassment, but by boycotting and disapproval.
There are a couple reasons for this. First, Trump is the first president to not divest from his business holdings. Other rich men have political ambitions and they need to see that holding on to their properties gives people who oppose them a visible target. If Trump had followed ethical guidelines, neither he nor his opponents would know what property he owns, and thus they wouldn’t be able to express their anger by impacting his business. Make him the example of what not to do.
And second, I don’t think it’s enough to drive Trump out of office. He needs to be DESTROYED – personally and financially. He and his family have to be beggared, the towers he created standing vacant in fields of weeds. This isn’t purely vindictive, though I admit I’d enjoy watching it. The reason for this is that people of ambition see Trump taking power and the lesson they take away is that demagoguery, racism, appeals to violence and hatred are a valid path to power in America today. We need to turn that lesson on its head – to show that if you try that here, not only will you fail, but your life will be destroyed. Because some of those ambitious people are smarter and more patient than Trump, craftier and less reckless, and would have a better chance of success if they went the demagogue route. We need the lesson of the Trump administration to be Don’t Even Think About It.
And the businesses are his horcruxes. Failed Businessman – Failed President.
Yarrow
@Chip Daniels: Also, too, the Trumpists will claim anything we do is paid protesers and so forth:
Trump projects with everything, so he will be paying people to protest if he hasn’t already. We need to be watching for paid violent protesters disrupting peaceful protests. It’ll be his reason for cracking down and banning protests.
Mnemosyne
@JordanRules:
Notice that he has no answer when it’s pointed out once again that the anti-Semitic white supremacist would have viciously attacked Sanders for being Jewish. No Marquess of Queensberry rules would have been created just for Sanders.
Baud
@Yarrow:
He hasn’t. Trump does not pay.
Yarrow
@Joyce H: Agree with all of this. And I ask again, are there any concerted efforts to disrupt bookings at his hotels by booking rooms and canceling at the last minute before the cancellation window with no penalty closes? If such a thing were done consistently but broadly across the country it could be effective. Needs a lot of people involved to work.
JordanRules
@Joyce H:
Absolutely!!!! QFT
Yarrow
@Baud: He pays some people eventually for some things. He wouldn’t have anyone working for him if he didn’t pay some key people. This is probably one of those times.
Amaranthine RBG
@Mnemosyne:
Clinton lost. Get over it. If you do think about it at all, the only inquiry should be to search your conscience to see what you could have done differently. Learn the lessons.
But it’s more important to focus on resisting Trump, don’t you think?
Mnemosyne
@Joyce H:
That’s why I love that Ivanka’s “independent” business is now failing, too. If we can keep the pressure up, we can collapse the whole criminal enterprise, not just Daddy’s holdings.
opiejeanne
@Amaranthine RBG: Bernie’s poll numbers against Trump were artificially high and the RW would have eaten him alive.
I’m going to assume you’re just trolling us.
Baud
@Amaranthine RBG:
LOL. You are the one who brought up the primary.
debbie
@Yarrow:
You don’t get to decide what anyone else’s response should be. I think it’s great. The more F U acts, the better. If nothing else, let as many as possible show Fearless Leader what they really think of him.
Mnemosyne
@Amaranthine RBG:
I’m still waiting to hear your explanation for why you think Trump would not have used anti-Semitic attacks against Sanders, or why you think those attacks would have been unsuccessful.
You’re the one who insists that Sanders would have won, so it’s time to put up or shut up.
JordanRules
@Mnemosyne: Yup, we see what they are capable of but somehow Wilmer was exempt? I don’t think so and I would fight just as hard against that. We all would.
It’s also forgotten that there was an opposition file on him and it wasn’t a 30 year remix.
Amaranthine RBG
@Baud: Look what I was responding, not smart person.
But hey, keep beating the dead horse of why Clinton lost.
Maybe look around you and realize there are bigger fish to fry.
amk
@Amaranthine RBG: sez the guy whose dear leader lost even before it started.
Mnemosyne
@opiejeanne:
Nah, he just hates women and it burns him that the current resistance is not just led by women, but by women of color. Why can’t we all listen to the instructions from our white male betters about how we’re doing it wrong?!
Baud
@Amaranthine RBG: Agreed that we should focus on Trump. No one should bring up the primary again.
sdhays
@Baud: The best he would do is promise to pay and then renege after the protest was over.
debbie
@Mike in NC:
Let’s start calling him the so-called president. Without upper case letters.
Yarrow
@debbie: I’m not personally deciding what anyone else’s response will be. I am allowed to express my opinion about said response. Which is what I’m doing. Read the thread for a more thorough discussion.
Mnemosyne
@Amaranthine RBG:
Also, my conscience is clear. Clinton won both states where I campaigned for her as a volunteer.
Sounds like it’s your conscience that can use a little examination.
Thoughtful David
@Mnemosyne:
And, of course, Clinton actually did win the election, just not the Electoral College.
Amaranthine RBG
@Baud:
Agreed, hopefully people will get off their little hobby horses and realize what is really important.
There’s a website “Indivisible” have you heard of it: https://www.indivisibleguide.com
Some solid grass roots organizing going on there.
Yarrow
@debbie: I’m for calling him the so-called president.
gene108
@Chip Daniels:
I want to win. I want to not just beat Republicans in 2018, but make it so ‘conservative’ becomes a dirty word no politician wants to be associated with.
But I do not see how to get there.
I don’t think mooning is going to help, and will probably hurt.
Just my opinion.
Baud
I accept your apology.
Thanks for the link.
Mnemosyne
@Baud:
To be fair, ruemara was complaining about the assholes she’s forced to live among who are still smugly running around saying, See, you guys FORCED me to vote for Stein by nominating Hillary!
And then who shows up to take the side of the smug assholes still whining about the primary? You guessed it in one.
? Martin
@scav: The left hasn’t quite caught onto just how invested the current GOP is here. Passively killing Americans is acceptable to them. Trump has personally called for increased violence against the left. He has called for torture to return. He has hinted toward marshal law in cities like Chicago. He is actively attacking the judicial branch and the fundamental checks on power in this country. We cannot be responding by worrying that we’re offending some group or another, when there are orders coming out of the White House to revoke permanent resident status of people that have been in the US for years.
This is not an exaggerated fear of fascism, this is an administration that is doing all they can to achieve it – and they have been advertising this fact for years.
Amaranthine RBG
@Yarrow:
I think there is a decent chance that he is going to be sufficiently provocative that when a constitutional crisis finally makes it to the Supreme Court that he will piss off Roberts enough to lose his vote.
CaseyL
Eh, anything that ridicules the Fingerpuppet is good. Publicly ridiculing him is very good. We need to continually remind him that the only truly “big” thing about him is how widely and deeply he is despised.
debbie
@Yarrow:
Um, I have. Especially your comment:
Do not underestimate the power of connection. That is what the Women’s March was all about. The more and different ways we can show protest, the better.
Yarrow
@gene108:
Yes. They worked hard to consistently demonize the word “liberal” and it worked. People deny they’re liberal all the time. The same thing needs to be done to “conservative.” Make it a shameful thing to be associated with.
amk
loving the current bbc headlines
mebbe sign of the ‘institutions’ waking the fuck up fiiiinally?
Mnemosyne
@? Martin:
That martial law threat for Chicago is probably another factor that spurred the decision to go with the utterly contemptuous show of asses for that city’s protest.
Emma
@gene108: Gah. Stop trying to depress people.
Yarrow
@debbie: I agree that the connection is a key goal. I hope the mooning group works that way. I am not convinced of the mooning protests, but I am happy to be proved wrong.
Baud
@Mnemosyne: Stein is not Wilmer. I think it’s perfectly ok to treat Stein voters with the same contempt we show any other group of non-Hillary voters.
zhena gogolia
@Yarrow:
That’s a Putin technique. Hillary paid the people who poured onto the streets of Moscow to protest him.
CaseyL
Ah, a Wilmerite has arrived to defend his hero. Here’s what I posted on FB this morning about that:
gene108
@Baud:
The 2016 Democratic primary has become the unholy spawn of Freddie Kruger and Jason Voorhees. It can never truly stay dead, no matter how many time you’ve killed, buried it, and performed rituals to seal it away forever.
There’s a real rift on the Left, between folks who think the Democratic Party is the best agent for liberal change in America, for whatever faults it has, and those who want to turn it into the vanguard of the great socialist revolution.
debbie
@Yarrow:
I just think the more that can be thrown at him, the better. Continually showing him his “ratings” suck will bug him more than just about anything else.
germy
@amk: Are the lower-level employees obeying? I thought I saw somewhere that personnel on the ground were ignoring judges’ orders.
greennotGreen
The song “Bad Moon Rising” will forever be linked for me with American Werewolf in Paris when the hero is turning into a werewolf for the first time.
It would be a more effective protest if they all turned into werewolves.
chigail
@Ruckus: I do that every time I walk by on the Michigan Avenue bridge. Makes me feel good and sometimes I earn chuckles of support
pluky
@scav: Bravo! And for the record, this is without a trace of snark.
amk
@germy: from bbc piece.
not sure if the gatekeepers will keep up with that spirit, though. they might still harass the travelers with petty questioning and detainment.
Ruckus
@Amaranthine RBG:
Delusional people are not my friends. Even in jest.
You want to be taken seriously, you want to be serious? Then act it. Accept your loss, accept that you backed a loser and ask to join those of us who wanted to actually do the work.
You think I’m a corporate stooge? You are so full of shit that it defies measurement.
Mike G
@Bostonian:
Or RUS oval car stickers
Mnemosyne
@CaseyL:
I co-sign your Facebook post.
Way to show up after the damage is done, jerkoffs.
Ruckus
@Joyce H:
Perfect. A million times perfect.
Amaranthine RBG
@Ruckus:
Um, yeah, I spend months doing phone banks for Clinton and then went over to Nevada for two weeks before the election doing GOTV. I posted about it here at the time.
Try to keep your eyes on the prize, amigo.
Baud
@gene108: I know. And it only takes one to start the fight. What can you do?
amk
@CaseyL: Yup, the gall of these arsonists.
Felonius Monk
@CaseyL: AMEN. Preach it and then preach it again, but it will probably never sink in through the thick skulls of the purity ponies.
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@Mnemosyne:
Yup – idea is to deprive those who want to do business with the douche the pleasure of the night.
No quarter.
gene108
@Emma:
Sorry. I’m just a pessimist by nature. Here is a link to a heated debate between twin toddlers, to make up for me being a downer.
Another one of a laughing baby.
Mnemosyne
@Amaranthine RBG:
Given that we already know that you whiners will go home and sulk if the whole group doesn’t do exactly what you want, why are we supposed to build a movement based on your continued support?
Join or not. It’s up to you. We already know you’re going to back out at the first sign of not getting your way, and we’re preparing for that so we aren’t surprised again by how petty and self-centered you are.
? Martin
@amk: They do so at their peril. There’s another set of suits coming that will use Trumps tweets as evidence of malicious intent regarding the travel ban. Trump has called for a ban on Muslim immigration for some time now, so claiming this is national security is utter bullshit (a surprise to exactly nobody). If the courts determine malicious intent here, and conclude that the executive branch is lying to them and wasn’t complying with earlier TROs, they’re going to go after the executive hammer and tong, all the way down to lowly customs agents.
Ruckus
@debbie:
I use something someone on BJ suggested, the Republican president.
Tie them to him, don’t let them explain away all his bullshit, they endorsed him, they voted for him, they expect to work with him to destroy what this country is supposed to be, what President Obama tried to bring it back to and to advance it farther. For all their bullshit, he is their ideal. The only thing they don’t like is that he says things out loud that they have been badly disguising for decades.
amk
Go Patrick Leahy.
A twofer of bashing the so called president and questioning his SC pick.
Vhh
Sabotage Trump Hotels worldwide. Have a drink at the bar,then scout out the HVAC ducts and leave dead rats and fish bits in them. Shrimp shells in curtain rods or under rugs take a cpl weeks to ripen. Mildew spores in the carpets. BEDBUGS!!! Organize hacks of their billing systems.
randy khan
I just saw an ad on local DC cable (the Caps game) telling me that Barbara Comstock has a great plan to make health care great again. Paid for by one of the usual suspects. If they’re running ads now, they’re worried.
amk
@? Martin:
I sure hope so. That’s where his minions are.
trollhattan
@greennotGreen:
Werewolf?
There wolf!
Josie
@Ruckus: This is so important. They need to be forced to own him – lock, stock and barrel.
Mnemosyne
@amk:
I am still angry that Trump’s SC nomination is a guy who founded a “Fascism Forever” club when he was in high school.
Now that we’ve seen that, IMO the guy doesn’t even get a hearing. He gets Garlanded. We don’t need to know more.
silvery
@zhena gogolia:
adding – or to piss him off – he’ll be so upset about no respect for his authority/presidency. Stupid as it may be, if mooning his hotel discourages him as more proof that nobody loves him, then I’m all for it too.
greennotGreen
@Vhh: Not bedbugs! Some people might be staying at a Trump hotel because that’s where their employer booked them (although I don’t know why,) so don’t make them and their families at home victims.
Shrimp in curtain rods…okay.
MJS
@Sebastian: Let’s not do that. Trump is an Executive Producer and benefits from higher ratings
amk
Washington state AG
Boom.
? Martin
@randy khan: My rep is doing the same. I think this is more of an effort to get the public off of the pushback against Trump and onto something where they might get positive input from constituents.
Our reps office has been locked up pretty much nonstop since the inauguration. There are protests there every day, all day. One group I know of goes every day and records their efforts to speak to staff, etc. A few groups are looking into funding a ‘Have you seen me’ campaign in local cities. The GOP is desperate to get out of this state. They cannot sustain themselves against this. No conservative voters are coming to their rescue.
Yarrow
@Josie: Yep.
Republican President Trump
Donald Trump, leader of the Republican Party
The Republican’s Leader, President Trump
The Republicans and their leader Donald Trump
Always tie them together. Repetition works. Let’s keep at it!
randy khan
@? Martin:
Excellent. So more pressure should be applied. I want them quaking in their boots. I want them breaking ranks. I want them in disarray. (Oh, yeah, I want them out of office, too.)
? Martin
@Mnemosyne: I don’t have any particular objections to Gorsuch. Yeah, he’s way too far right, but there is an elections have consequences angle to this which I’m not willing to be hypocritical about.
That said, the GOP changed the rules for advice and consent with Garland. They now want to pretend that they didn’t and Dems shouldn’t give them that. We shouldn’t fight against Gorsuch over stupid shit he did in high school (holy fuck people, please do not build a dossier of the stupid shit I did in high school which would horrify me today) but rather over the norms that the GOP broke with Garland. How about countering the ‘no appointments in the last year of a presidency’ with a ‘no appointments for presidents with negative approval ratings’ rule? It’s just as arbitrary and self-serving. The Dems should block every goddamn thing until the GOP takes responsibility for breaking this in the first place and comes to Dems with a resolution. One such resolution would be that Garland will get his hearing and confirmation and the next seat to vacate will put Gorsuch up for comparable fair treatment. That would be fair to both sides. But no quarter until something like that happens. Don’t even talk about Gorsuch’s qualifications or otherwise. They’re immaterial in the same way that if the President nominated a 10th justice, their qualifications would be immaterial.
Ruckus
@Amaranthine RBG:
You know what? Fuck you asshole.
You claim to have worked for Clinton but that BS was our savior and would have won. You have done this consistently over a number of months.
You claim to have been on both sides. After the primary you had to chose sides. To this day, in this post you haven’t done that. One side of you is fucking lying. And the only person here who doesn’t know this might be you.
You don’t know me and the same could be said for me knowing you. But we both have a record of posting on BJ, our thoughts and our opinions. I know there are people on here who might not appreciate my position, but at least I have had one over the years, one position. You only have one opinion after repeatedly being called out on your bullshit and then you act like you’ve been on everyone else’s side the entire time.
The crowd has your number.
And this is the last time I will ever post anything to you, as I said earlier, my time isn’t worth much but it is worth a fuckton more than it costs to spend another second on you.
Another Scott
@MaryRC: Exactly. The way to get under Donnie’s skin is to ignore him and his properties.
NewYorker:
Don’t play his game.
Fight his policies every day, but actively ignore his properties and his antics. He’ll shrink to nothing without continual publicity.
Cheers,
Scott.
? Martin
@randy khan: Yeah, at this point I want crush them so badly I can’t even put it in words. My job has been hell this past week, solely due to a fucking fascist toddler and his army of legislative enablers.
Amaranthine RBG
@Mnemosyne:
There was a lot of enthusiasm among the volunteers I worked with in Reno.
If we an get that positive energy harnessed to a candidate who has a chance of winning, that will be great.
In the meantime, here’s a link where you can donate to the ACLU: https://action.aclu.org/secure/donate-to-aclu
sdhays
@Mnemosyne: I want to see him blocked too, but according to scopes.com, Gorsuch did not found a “Fascism Forever” club in high school. It was simply mentioned in the year book as a joke about him being really conservative (which we already knew).
sdhays
@Another Scott: I don’t know… Protests which make his properties money-losers hurts too. Ideally, a boycott would do it, but the better-healed people who are his target demographic might need help remembering.
Ruckus
@Yarrow:
The only thing is, for me, I can’t type the asshole’s name and the word president in the same sentence. It’s too disturbing, it’s too real, it’s too horrible to contemplate/live with.
That’s why I capitalize Republican and leave president lower case.
It was like I was back in the service, a lot of officers were just there, a very few were actual leaders, but the rest were useless fucks or far worse. But you had to have a modicum of respect for the office even if you wouldn’t have minded one or two of them falling overboard in the middle of the North Atlantic, in winter, while you stood there in a barely audible voice yelling “man overboard.” And of course you’d only say it once because you know, why create panic.
Ruckus
@sdhays:
might need help remembering. Or caring.
Fixit for you.
randy khan
@randy khan:
Comstock’s voice mail boxes all are full. But you can get past her zip code screen if you put in 20164-8695.
Villago Delenda Est
By the time this is over, “Trump” will be as reviled a name as “Hitler”.
Darrin Ziliak (formerly glocksman)
@Mike G:
The problem is that outside of college towns and world travelers, almost no one else would get the reference.
Certainly most Trump voters wouldn’t understand.
Or care.
Another Scott
@sdhays: I agree that making his properties (figuratively) toxic makes sense. I enjoyed yelling with the crowd as we passed the Old Post Office in DC during the Women’s March. Making it a place that no sensible person would want to stay at because of all the noise and so forth make a lot of sense to me.
But, responding to every Tweet of his as if it’s [klaxxon]BREAKING NEWS!![/klaxxon] and making the battles all about him feeds his narcissism and makes him stronger.
The best thing the press could do for the country is to stop promulgating his nonsense. Let’s see his actual policy proposals and fight those. Let’s fight his allies in Congress and the Courts. Let’s speak up for what’s right and just.
We know what we’re fighting for: الحقيقة والعدالة، على الطريقة الأمريكية.
Donnie’s trying to distract us while he lines his pockets.
Cheers,
Scott.
Eljai
@Amaranthine RBG:
See, the thing is, Hillary did have a chance of winning. And you generate positive energy for a candidate, not only by finding the things you like about said viable candidate but by enthusiastically discussing the kind of country we would have if we had a majority of Democrats at all levels of government. We want a healthy planet, healthy citizens, a fair economic system, civil rights, affordable college, reproductive rights to name a few. The only way we are ever going to get those things is if Democrats get back in power. We need to run up the numbers. But it’s not easy to convince good people to run for office and submit to a grueling, invasive process for the higher good. And when we do get good candidates to run, — I’m talking all levels, not just president — well, we might not agree with them 100%. They probably won’t all have sparkling charisma. But do we agree on the most important issues? Are they reasonable? Can they be persuaded to do the right thing? Then I’m on board. Enthusiastically discussing the kinds of things we can achieve is more productive than calling someone a corporate shill.
Also too, I am quite sure Mnemosyne knows where and how to donate to the ACLU. Don’t be a dick.
Amaranthine RBG
@Ruckus:
Here’s where you can go to donate to the Southern Poverty Law Center: https://www.splcenter.org
Try to focus on what’s important, ummmkay? That way we might not lose again in 2020.
gene108
@Villago Delenda Est:
Wonder, if you’ll get folks to no longer name kids Donald, the same way no one, in the last 70 years or so is named Adolf?
Ruckus
@Eljai:
This one doesn’t understand the concept.
J R in WV
@Yarrow:
Those shows aren’t real TV at all. I have never watched any of them, and would never, in the future, ever, either.
Perhaps a series of letters to NBC to the effect that I observe the IDs of the advertisers on the guy’s shows in order to boycott them, the advertisers? And also to the Advertisers themselves? Counter productive to advertise in a venue that will result in a boycott. Remind them that it killed Rush Limburger’s show ratings and income stream?
No One You Know
@Ruckus: But far less funny. Even if it isn’t an example of “going high”–it’s still higher than where they are. Higher than where they put the American majority.
And at a deplorable level of understanding.
Ridicule needn’t be sophisticated be effective.