Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

If ‘weird’ was the finish line, they ran through the tape and kept running.

When your entire life is steeped in white supremacy, equality feels like discrimination.

No offense, but this thread hasn’t been about you for quite a while.

Is it irresponsible to speculate? It is irresponsible not to.

Republicans are radicals, not conservatives.

Not loving this new fraud based economy.

Republicans don’t lie to be believed, they lie to be repeated.

Something needs to be done about our bogus SCOTUS.

Republicans: “Abortion is murder but you can take a bus to get one.” Easy peasy.

Is it negotiation when the other party actually wants to shoot the hostage?

Let the trolls come, and then ignore them. that’s the worst thing you can do to a troll.

Rupert, come get your orange boy, you petrified old dinosaur turd.

T R E 4 5 O N

Republicans cannot even be trusted with their own money.

Optimism opens the door to great things.

When I was faster i was always behind.

Yeah, with this crowd one never knows.

“The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits.”

The arc of history bends toward the same old fuckery.

The cruelty is the point; the law be damned.

Republicans firmly believe having an abortion is a very personal, very private decision between a woman and J.D. Vance.

Never give a known liar the benefit of the doubt.

“woke” is the new caravan.

Weird. Rome has an American Pope and America has a Russian President.

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For forty four and half states, that is the most important thing to think about tonight.

For the other 5.5 states and their diaspora, we’ll process that point in a couple of days.

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  3. 3.

    Gin & Tonic

    Major corporations with *any* budget for accountants long ago learned that a dollar spent by a brown/female/gay person contributes to profit exactly as much as a dollar spent by a straight white man. That ship sailed and is over the horizon, and it ain’t coming back.

  9. 9.

    Martha

    @japa21: yes. I love Penzeys.

    I must say, I was forced to watch the game with family members who are Trumpsters. They mostly kept quiet, but hated a lot of the ads…soooo political was the whine I kept hearing. F’em. I am playing dutiful daughter this weekend and counting the seconds until I can go home.

  10. 10.

    JMG

    @PVDMichael: I’m guessing that he counts half of Connecticut as New York sports territory. I live in Boston, but I’m not a Patriots fan. I worked here as a sports journalist for 25 years, and you learn very quickly they’re all the same guys who just wear different colored underwear. I think Brady was a chump for not cutting Trump loose way back when, but I am also sure, given the nature of their profession, that’s there’s more than one militia member gun nut wearing NFL uniforms. I will say this. What happened tonight was historic greatness on the grand scale. I can appreciate that for what it is — one of the main reasons to like watching sports.

  17. 17.

    Raoul

    Didn’t watch the game, only saw part of Gaga and a few ads while we ate dinner at a bar/grill in the CO rockies tonight.

    But when we got back to our place, a friend had posed a list of ads he’d seen from big businesses with their broad themes of immigration, respect, etc.

    He’s a minister, btw. And one of the first comments on his post was from someone who said their family was complaining about “how disgusting all the superbowl ads are this year.”

    So I guess those folks live in the 5.5 states (or their equiv state of mind). Overall, though, I take it as a good sign as Pfeiffer does up top. And yes the ads may have been developed before Nov 9, but we knew the two major tickets and their respective messages for many months before that. Business was already preparing to counter Trump’s unpatriotic, unAmerican messages.

  18. 18.

    Martha

    @Omnes Omnibus: hi there!! Hey, did you know we moved out of the land of the Packers? I’m adjusting to a blue-purple state now, Colorado, and loving it. Husband is wondering why it took us so long. And we both love every single minute we don’t have to hear about Walker.

  20. 20.

    ChrisB

    If you haven’t done so, you should watch the full unedited 84 Lumber ad. I didn’t get it from the edited ad that was broadcast during the Super Bowl.

  22. 22.

    Martha

    @JMG: oh it’s pathetic. They are truly the most insecure people in the world. And small. Makes me nauseous. Snowflakes is exactly right. Kindness and humanity are so….political. Sure.

  23. 23.

    Steve in the ATL

    1. Watched the game with a great group of folks that included two frenchies, two brits, and a Dane, so I’m probably on a watch list now.

    2. There were no trump supporters at this party, so huzzah.

    3. Fuck the patriots and, just to be safe, the Red Sox and celtics as well. Not concerned about the bruins at the moment.

  25. 25.

    ? Martin

    @JPL: She’s been asked if she and Tom are Trump supporters and she gave a very strong ‘NO!’ to that. She’s also spoken out against Trumps proposed policies.

    So while Brady is friends with Trump, I don’t think he’s actually a supporter – or if he is, a fairly quiet one given that his wife is definitely not a supporter.

  30. 30.

    Cacti

    I was honestly surprised at the amount of shade thrown at Trump in tonight’s ads.

    Then again, he lost the popular vote by 3 million. There isn’t an electoral college in marketing research.

  34. 34.

    JMG

    @? Martin: Brady and Trump doubtless met on the celebrity golf circuit and Trump loves jocks so they hit it off. Gotta remember Brady has spent his whole life in a smaller and less transparent bubble then even Trump has — Brady’s been a superhandsome football superhero since puberty. He’s not dumb, but he’s not very worldly. His wife, the supermodel, has had far more real world experience than he has. All the great athletes are like that. If they were more interested in the rest of life, they wouldn’t spend the time needed to be great.
    PS: I thought the message of those ads had nothing to do with Trump. It was big corporations telling people “no matter what happens, your money is good with us.”

  38. 38.

    Steve in the ATL

    @Doug R: north of Ecola park, everything looked pretty dumpy! Seaside was ok, I guess, but was too touristy for my tastes. Did get some good stuff at the Helly Hansen outlet, though.

    Also, fuck the patriots.

  39. 39.

    Cacti

    @Doug R:

    I love that bridge. Short Circuit, The Goonies and Kindergarden Cop were all filmed in Astoria.

    That bridge is terrifying to drive across. 2 lanes and about 250 ft above the water at the highest point.

  42. 42.

    JMG

    Pats tight end Martellus Bennett said after the game he won’t be going to the White House to meet Trump and he doesn’t care what Bob Kraft thinks about that. One reason I wanted the Falcons to win was that I was hoping Matt Ryan would tell the world he had voted for Jill Stein. French-fried minds across the land.

  43. 43.

    mai naem mobile

    I saw the clip of Dolt 45 and Melanoma leaving Mar A Lago for their Super Bowl party. You can clearly see the outline of her white pants under the blue(?) top. Can you imagine the outrage if Michelle OBama had earn something like that. BTW, it wasn’t something I was looking for, it was glaringly obvious.

  45. 45.

    fuckwit

    @mai naem mobile: I can’t hate on Melania anymore since it became clear to me she has not only likely been cheated on multiple times with Russian prostitutes, but, based on the personality of her asshole husband, is probably a victim of domestic abuse– at least mental and emotional if not physical.

    I am laying odds that Dolt 45, if he doesn’t get impeached or kicks the bucket, will be the first president to get divorced while in office.

    Many political wives say “codependent” to me, but Melania just screams it– silently.

  46. 46.

    Steve in the ATL

    It’s painful that Malcolm Mitchell, a Damn Good Dawg, played such a good game for the side of evil.

  47. 47.

    Cacti

    @fuckwit:

    I can’t hate on Melania anymore since it became clear to me she has not only likely been cheated on multiple times with Russian prostitutes, but, based on the personality of her asshole husband, is probably a victim of domestic abuse– at least mental and emotional if not physical.

    The fact she lives full-time away from him now says everything about her real feelings for him.

  48. 48.

    NotMax

    Only in America do people get their panties in a wad over TV ads.

    That’s what the fast forward control for.

  52. 52.

    Wapiti

    Re: the 84 Lumber ad. My older brother is in hardware, and he emphasizes that his store is Hispanic-friendly. Mexican cokes in the refrigerator care near checkout, bilingual cashiers, etc. He’s competing with Home Depot and the like, and he wants the crews to come to his store when they need another widget.

  53. 53.

    Raoul

    @Omnes Omnibus: Snowboarding, but (this is controversial), basically same thing!

    eta: I’ve become a part-time resident in Summit County, CO. If MN ever gets the equivalent of walker-ized, we might move here permanently (but not before fighting like heck against it!).

  54. 54.

    fuckwit

    @NotMax: Americans get their panties in a wad over almost everything, compared to modern, civilized countries. Here’s a short list:

    – “Dirty” words (TV, radio, books, rock lyrics, rap lyrics)
    – Nipples (the Ghost of Superbowls past haunts us still) and boobs in general
    – Science (climatology, geology, cosmology, genetics, etc.)
    – Racial and gender equality
    – The role of government in creating an economically level-field society

    I would also list immigration, but it appears that many otherwise-civilized countries in Europe in particular lately have been getting their panties wadded over that as bad as we do.

  58. 58.

    Steve in the ATL

    @fuckwit:

    thought a truce was called in that battle in the late 1990s. Are there still people fighting that lost cause?

    Yes. Also, the south is gonna rise agin!

  59. 59.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @fuckwit: No, but when I was trying to amend to add that I have skied with boarders since the early ’90s, I got a weird error screen. FYWP.

  61. 61.

    Raoul

    @Omnes Omnibus: I don’t have any interest in a fight either. I skied for 25 years, then switched 21 years ago. Both are fun.
    Now, telemark, that’s nuts! (Actually have a telemarking friend who I was out on the mtn with today. I think it’s nuts in the same way I think he’s nuts to run to the top of Pike’s Peak every spring. IOW, I’m lazy).

  63. 63.

    Ridnik Chrome

    @Doug R: For a second there I thought you were talking about Astoria, Queens. Which for the record does have a couple of film studios. And bridges, too…

  69. 69.

    fuckwit

    I have to drop this turd here.

    I am fucking fed up with the stupid argument about “legal” immigration being OK, but “illegal” immigration being not OK. It’s a bullshit distinction that means nothing.

    If you don’t allow people in, then you’ve made immigration illegal by definition. Thus, you can’t blame people for being “illegal”– your policies made them that way. On purpose.

    In the days when my grandparents came here, a flood of uneducated people were allowed to come in here legally from poor-ass, oppressed countries. Those gates are closed now. It’s the worst kind of pulling-up-the-ladder-behind you to whine about how your grandparents or great-grandparents came here “legally” so somehow you’re better than the people risking their lives to get in here now.

    And if I have to pull out the big guns, the ultimate truth is: all white people are illegal immigrants. We weren’t allowed in here to begin with, and we fought our way in with guns and ships and smallpox and TB and viral hepatitis. So the whiners can shut their pie-holes with their morally-useless distinctions between “legal” and “illegal” immigration.

  70. 70.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    @Wapiti:

    55 year old white male here of Polish, Native American, English, German ancestry. I DIG that 84 Lumber ad! Touching and not unrealistic.

  71. 71.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @JMG: Any depiction of this country as anything but falling apart, burning, anything positive, is a denial of the Dogma of Donald, and must be suppressed. The beatings will continue until morale improves. Train to be miserable.

  72. 72.

    RobertDSC-Mac Mini

    I watched the game with conservative members of my family. They didn’t vote Shitbag 42, but hate Hillary and Obama, subscribe to the latest Fox News and RWNJ info. They were happy for me when the Pats won, but they didn’t take too well to some of the commercials. As much as I hate the association with Shitbag 45, I am just glad the Pats won. What a game, what a win!

  73. 73.

    ? Martin

    @JMG:

    Trump loves jocks so they hit it off.

    Trump loves anyone who can make him look better, and hates anyone who makes him look worse. That’s the full extent of friendship with a narcissist.

  76. 76.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @fuckwit: Good example of this are morans like Joe Arpaio and Tom Tancredo, whose grandparents barely, barely qualified as “white” when they got off the boat.

  77. 77.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @some guy: No, the greatest Superbowl was the Seahawks curb-stomping the Broncos and sexual harassing asshole Peyton Manning. GO SEAHAWKS!

  79. 79.

    efgoldman x

    @JMG:

    I was hoping Matt Ryan would tell the world he had voted for Jill Stein.

    Ryan went to B C. He probably didn’t even know there was an election.

  81. 81.

    ? Martin

    So after the Falcons scored their last point, NE beat them on yards 351-44 for the rest of the game. 351 yards in a quarter and a half. 24-3 first downs.

    It didn’t feel that dominant watching it, but damn – that’s 23 minutes of getting your ass kicked hard.

  87. 87.

    NotMax

    Made a pot of French onion soup tonight. Discovered was out of sherry (horrors!) so substituted brandy. Not bad at all.

  88. 88.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @? Martin: I do not know what the hell happened to the Falcons. Did Professor Quirrell hex them and Snape of course is no longer with us so no one to counter-hex?

  91. 91.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    @Steve in the ATL:

    Not quite sure what you’re asking or why. I’ve never been to Poland. My mom’s people came to America from Poland around 1895. Didn’t get much Polish military history in any classes I’ve ever taken.

  93. 93.

    Steve in the ATL

    @West of the Rockies (been a while): it was a subject of discussion last night. I posited that polish military peaked in the 1500’s, some less knowledgeable folks suggested that it peaked in the post WWI aftermath. I was joking when I made this comment, but I think we can all agree that, militarily speaking, sitting between Germany and Russia is a bad place to be.

  94. 94.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    @Steve in the ATL:

    Ah, gotcha. I didn’t check in here last night. Yeah, I sort of had the impression that in terms of military might, Poland is sort of the equivalent of the 70s NO Saints.

  95. 95.

    ? Martin

    @Villago Delenda Est: Yeah, I don’t know. I didn’t think they were playing that badly. Getting backed up out of FG range and a turnover. Not good, but, c’mon, that’s a pretty normal bit of bad news for any team in half a game. NEs defense finally figured out what the hell to do, and they turned Brady loose on passing. But NE often benefits from teams running out of gas around the middle of the 3rd quarter. Once they get things to click, it’s short huddles, quick pass plays, and the other team never quite can get their shit together.

    But man, that catch by Edelman saved their ass. A bit of karma from the helmet catch coming back to them. Mostly, everything rolled NEs way late in the game. When they won the coin toss for OT, I knew they had it. They were unstoppable at that point.

  96. 96.

    ? Martin

    @Villago Delenda Est: Looking at the stats more, it looks like was a matter of changing up the game. James White now has a record 14 receptions in a Super Bowl game – White only had 60 receptions in the regular season. Atlanta was doing a good job of covering Edelman and Amendola and Bennett, so Brady just chose to hit the other guys on the team. Atlanta couldn’t cover everyone. Brady had 196 yards just in the 4th quarter. He figured out where he could complete passes.

  97. 97.

    James E Powell

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    Falcons choked. Whoever called pass on 3D & 1 is a moron. The RB stood there and watched Hightower strip sack his QB. With the offense pretty much failing after it went up 28-3, ATL defense just got worn out.

    One more first down on their last possession and they’d probably have won.

  98. 98.

    laura

    @Cacti: my husband finished his bike ride from Vancouver to Astoria at the Wet Dog Brewing. He had to get as much speed built up as possible to prepare for the long, long, LONG uphill climb.
    I was following in the truck and remember listening to Lou Reed’s Heroin because I needed a distraction and to ramp down the anxiety.
    What. A. Bridge.

  99. 99.

    Jumbo76

    Not to be an ass, but all these commercials were approved a long time ago, probably before the election. You know, when we all thought Hillary was going to win. If she were president, the story would be that super bowl commercials reflected the diverse America that brought Hillary into the White House. Done pondering.

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