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Open Thread: Trump’s A Peach — His Orange Skin Is Very Thin & Bruises Easily

by Anne Laurie|  February 6, 20178:42 pm| 72 Comments

This post is in: Hail to the Hairpiece, Open Threads, Republican Venality, Assholes, Blatant Liars and the Lies They Tell, Not Normal

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6:09 am: MJoe showed Bannon Time mag cover, played SNL clip of Trump & “President Bannon” & discussed “maybe Bannon’s calling all the shots” https://t.co/h83HP3xjxN

— Bradd Jaffy (@BraddJaffy) February 6, 2017

I call my own shots, largely based on an accumulation of data, and everyone knows it. Some FAKE NEWS media, in order to marginalize, lies!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 6, 2017

POTUS tweet came a half-hour after this CNN segment: https://t.co/D16SXKjhFh https://t.co/Ecog2yIRLj

— John Harwood (@JohnJHarwood) February 6, 2017

Any negative polls are fake news, just like the CNN, ABC, NBC polls in the election. Sorry, people want border security and extreme vetting.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 6, 2017

Trump might be the most predictable human on earth https://t.co/GmmtMlM4j6

— Dan Pfeiffer (@danpfeiffer) February 6, 2017

Less than three weeks and he's burned out. https://t.co/f4MZvGnt0W

— Daniel W. Drezner (@dandrezner) February 6, 2017

“President Bannon” yet to meet Rasputin’s fate, though…

PUTTING ON MY LINGUISTICS EXPERT HAT: Cheetolini didn't write this. "accumulation of data" & "marginalize" aren't part of his vernacular pic.twitter.com/5zAkSFs7Ez

— Liza Sabater ???????? (@blogdiva) February 6, 2017

Agree. You know who is really into bragging about the accumulation of data? Cambridge Analytica board member Steve Bannon https://t.co/W3XS83yfAX

— Sarah Kendzior (@sarahkendzior) February 6, 2017

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  1. 1.

    Major Major Major Major

    February 6, 2017 at 8:46 pm

    I can’t tell if the Cambridge Analytica stuff is your standard “zomg computerbot targeting!!1” freakout we get each election cycle or if it’s actually troubling. Thoughts?

  2. 2.

    Sean

    February 6, 2017 at 8:50 pm

    Captain Insecurity isn’t doing so well. But I hope he’s able to keep up this level of insanity because it’s keeping Congress from acting on his and their promises. They’re too busy denying they know him without sounding like they don’t support him to do any legislating.

  3. 3.

    Spanky

    February 6, 2017 at 8:51 pm

    First thing that jumped out at me too. “Accumulation of data”? From Trump? And spelled correctly? Na ga happen.

  4. 4.

    Frankensteinbeck

    February 6, 2017 at 8:52 pm

    ‘Marginalize’? Oh my god, he really just repeats any word he heard other people use, without understanding what it means. The toddler comparison keeps growing.

  5. 5.

    schrodingers_cat

    February 6, 2017 at 8:52 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: I am always suspicious of after-the-fact analysis.

  6. 6.

    Loneoak

    February 6, 2017 at 8:53 pm

    So a couple of masked, heavily armed and armored morans walked into a Dearborn police station today to “make a complaint” and only made it out alive because they’re white. Which word do you suppose would have been misspelled more often in that complaint: “sharia” or “liberty”?

  7. 7.

    FlyingToaster

    February 6, 2017 at 8:55 pm

    @Sean: Also, their phonelines, voicemail, e-mail inboxes, and mailboxes are all full of people telling them to not vote for _________ that Trump or Ryan or McConnell want. And Melissa McCarthy Spicer is up there claiming we’re all paid protestors.

    Keep up the good work, folks!

  8. 8.

    schrodingers_cat

    February 6, 2017 at 8:55 pm

    From the last thread:
    I think vetting is misspelled. I don’t think banning refugees will help but a trip to the urologist might.

    Devolution of the office of the President in 70 years:
    Fear nothing but fear itself.
    to
    Fear everything.

  9. 9.

    Major Major Major Major

    February 6, 2017 at 8:56 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: the articles I’ve read didn’t seem that alarming, just sensationalist, and the only people I’ve seen freaking out about it are not particularly computer/privacy/security savvy. Haven’t heard much in the hack-o-sphere.

  10. 10.

    Adam L Silverman

    February 6, 2017 at 8:56 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Its backstopped by Russian and Ukrainian oligarchs tied to Putin. My guess is that if anyone could get some sunshine into the funds the Mercer’s run, they’d find a lot of Russian oligarch money in it.
    http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/211152/trump-data-analytics-russian-access

    This is the thing that we come back to over and over and over. Everything within two links of the President, the people in his immediate circle, including his family, is Russian oligarchs or the Bratva. And those folks all link back to Putin. I realize its all circumstantial, but at some point you have to recognize that the amount of it is just staggering.

  11. 11.

    lamh36

    February 6, 2017 at 8:58 pm

    @PhilipRucker
    Trump: “[Obama] likes me.”
    O’Reilly: “How do you know?”
    Trump: “I can feel it. That’s what I do in life. It’s called, like, I understand.”

    Um Don…you’re obsessed

  12. 12.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    February 6, 2017 at 8:59 pm

    So-called “general” Barry McCaffery is a total loser.

    He’s a complete hater – unlike me.

    I like people who weren’t wounded in combat, okay.

    And his wife is ugly. I mean have you ever seen such a face?

    Sad!

  13. 13.

    lamh36

    February 6, 2017 at 9:00 pm

    White House rattled by McCarthy’s spoof of Spicer http://politi.co/2kGR2tS

    @zackstanton
    “It was Spicer’s portrayal by a woman that was most problematic in the president’s eyes, according to sources”

  14. 14.

    amk

    February 6, 2017 at 9:00 pm

    Trump might be is the most predictable playable human on earth.

  15. 15.

    Adam L Silverman

    February 6, 2017 at 9:00 pm

    @Loneoak: This is approaching Floriduh Man status…

  16. 16.

    Major Major Major Major

    February 6, 2017 at 9:01 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: sure, but I see people freaking out over the actual data collection and targeting. I’m just assuming everything is putin, which is problematic, but…

  17. 17.

    MisterForkbeard

    February 6, 2017 at 9:01 pm

    @lamh36: The world needs more Pushing Daisies references.

  18. 18.

    jl

    February 6, 2017 at 9:02 pm

    I guess a good sign that Mornin’ Joe Jughead is using SNL feed for his show. Well help him keep his facts straight. I don’t watch the show, just commenting for a friend here. And from what clips I see.

    Thinking about Trump, I can see how could go for the Great Bowling Green Massacre gambit. A guy who’s recent hard business cash flow comes largely from marks who would sign up for Trump University would have certain ideas about what sells.

    Bad as W was, I imagine that if Cheney and Rummy had come up with this stuff, W would be on the phone very quickly: “Dad, Dick and Rummy’s talking reealll funny these days. It don’t sound right.”

  19. 19.

    Oatler.

    February 6, 2017 at 9:07 pm

    I remember a Eugene Mirman bit about an airline that might apply: “like hiring an insincere baby with amnesia to solve a crime IT committed.”

  20. 20.

    Adam L Silverman

    February 6, 2017 at 9:07 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: I can credibly talk about the strategic communication portions of it, but the computer/tech portions are outside of my areas of expertise. From what I understand, it was effectively used as part of a focused, multi-pronged strategic communication strategy across multiple social media and other media platforms. How effective? I’m not sure anyone knows how to measure it beyond: Brexit passed and the President won a narrow victory in three states that gave him a slim majority in the electoral college.

  21. 21.

    schrodingers_cat

    February 6, 2017 at 9:07 pm

    @lamh36: From the Politico article:

    This is a White House where looks matter

    Irony is dead, or MSM will publish any Republican BS with a straight face.

  22. 22.

    Darkrose

    February 6, 2017 at 9:07 pm

    He’s like a kids’ toy. Pull the string and he squawks “FAKE NEWS!”

  23. 23.

    Loneoak

    February 6, 2017 at 9:09 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Michigan has been gunning for that status for awhile now. And now the rest of you get to take DeVos off of our hands! Enjoy!

  24. 24.

    lamh36

    February 6, 2017 at 9:09 pm

    @lamh36: so what’s the over/under on how soon Spicer is gone?

    and who will replace him? Laura Ingraham?

  25. 25.

    Gvg

    February 6, 2017 at 9:11 pm

    Something to keep in mind with trying to get under his skin is he watches “the shows” but doesn’t read. He has been known to boast he is on the cover of magazine stories that are negative about him. If it’s written, he won’t get it. It has to be video.

  26. 26.

    Iowa Old Lady

    February 6, 2017 at 9:12 pm

    @lamh36: Spicer was shown as a maniac and it’s the fact a woman portrayed him that’s horrifying? Trump really is from the 1950s

  27. 27.

    Mai.naem.mobile

    February 6, 2017 at 9:12 pm

    Dolt 45 is all the crappy stuff he tweets. He’s a loser,he’s sad and he’s fake . Also he’s been PUT ON NOTICE by a majority of the country who don’t like him.

  28. 28.

    Major Major Major Major

    February 6, 2017 at 9:12 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: ok. I see people trotting it out as a Bond villain-esque private intel service, which I know is BS, but it sounds like it’s just a marketing firm that knows how data mining works.

  29. 29.

    MomSense

    February 6, 2017 at 9:14 pm

    My god. I finally caught a bit of whatever it was that trump did this afternoon in public. The man was unraveling in real time.

  30. 30.

    Renie

    February 6, 2017 at 9:14 pm

    check out the ad VoteVets.com is running during Morning Joe for Trump to see. Brutal

  31. 31.

    Immanentize

    February 6, 2017 at 9:14 pm

    I am just imagining Mr Rogers saying: “Can you say accumulation of data? Can you?l”

  32. 32.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    February 6, 2017 at 9:14 pm

    Melissa McCarthy had blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her … whatever

  33. 33.

    Adam L Silverman

    February 6, 2017 at 9:15 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: I don’t know. I also don’t know what the Russian connections mean. But if I was looking for a front that could be used to crack into political consulting/campaign communication in democratic countries I wanted to destabilize, this would be a good way to do it.

  34. 34.

    Immanentize

    February 6, 2017 at 9:17 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: I gotta say that “fear everything” beats where we might be heading: “fear me.”

  35. 35.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    February 6, 2017 at 9:17 pm

    So twitter tells me that one of the attacks the Trump White House claims has been covered up by the crooked media was “Santa Bernadette”

  36. 36.

    Anne Laurie

    February 6, 2017 at 9:18 pm

    @Sean:

    They’re too busy denying they know him without sounding like they don’t support him to do any legislating.

    I need someone with better tech skills to do a NEW PHONE WHO DIS meme with Trump and McConnell!

  37. 37.

    lamh36

    February 6, 2017 at 9:20 pm

    @RollingStone
    #GRAMMYs organizers are trying to find a balance between artist expression and fear of presidential reproach

    Grow a fuq’n spine GRAMMY organizers…good Lord…

  38. 38.

    Major Major Major Major

    February 6, 2017 at 9:20 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: it can be all of those things and still technologically no more sinister than the Obama campaign.

  39. 39.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    February 6, 2017 at 9:23 pm

    This year’s Super Bowl ads were weak and a TOTAL DISASTER!

    No bikini clad women frolicking around while being hosed down.

    This is Obama’s fault.

    I will make Super Bowl ads great again!

  40. 40.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    February 6, 2017 at 9:26 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: d’oh! I fell for a twitter joke, but they did misspell San Bernardino, which they are asserting was not covered by the media

  41. 41.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    February 6, 2017 at 9:26 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: “Santa Bernadette” is white. I mean, he was an historical figure, that was a verifiable fact, as is Jesus…I just want the kids watching to know that.

  42. 42.

    lamh36

    February 6, 2017 at 9:29 pm

    Melania Trump’s lawyers admit she hoped to cash in on being First Lady by selling clothes and fragrances http://ow.ly/rEKh308KlYd

  43. 43.

    Adam L Silverman

    February 6, 2017 at 9:29 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Loaded guns don’t shoot themselves.
    (Recognizing that those made before the introduction of drop safeties, those that have had significant modification to the their triggers, etc may, in fact fire when not intended to.)

  44. 44.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    February 6, 2017 at 9:29 pm

    Josh Barro ‏@ jbarro 9m9 minutes ago
    WH list of terror attacks the media is hiding from you includes the Bataclan and Pulse massacres.

  45. 45.

    dm

    February 6, 2017 at 9:32 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: I sort of view them as akin to Palantir. Weaponized social network graphs.

    More sinister than the Obama campaign (and its spin-offs) in terms of their customers, but maybe not more sinister in terms of the technology involved.

    In other, um, news: ‘fake news’ begins to find an audience on the left (that’s the Guardian, so I basically trust it). Paranoia: a way to discredit reporting about Trump (e.g., the Martin Luther King bust story writ large).

  46. 46.

    Loneoak

    February 6, 2017 at 9:32 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    I can somewhat credibly discuss the data mining aspect of it. It’s not really anything outside of the new-normal of behavioral micro-targeting. Cathy O’Neil (aka mathbabe) has a good blog post about them. I think they stand out because they appear to be especially grifty with 1) the overpromising on their psychological profiles (just because data is granular doesn’t mean it supports equally-granular individual analyses); 2) the self-dealing of paying campaign funds to a Kushner investment; and 3) the Bratva money behind it all. Being nefarious on 2) and 3) doesn’t not imply effectiveness with 1), and might actually work against it. Hiring CA didn’t work for Cruz, why should we assume it worked for Trump?

  47. 47.

    jl

    February 6, 2017 at 9:34 pm

    If the Matrix disinformation program were a self destructing Rube Goldberg contraption with frayed string, hamster wheels, and rubber bands put together by a drunk, I guess it would look something like what the WH is pumping out. I hope it stays that way.

    Edit: Sorry, i forgot the airplane model glue. Must be a lot of airplane model glue involved.

  48. 48.

    Major Major Major Major

    February 6, 2017 at 9:35 pm

    @Loneoak: thanks, that’s about my take.

    @dm: they also seem to be as popularly misunderstood as Palantir so that works too.

  49. 49.

    oklahomo

    February 6, 2017 at 9:36 pm

    @lamh36: I want Katrina Pierson back for that, and her necklace of bullets.

  50. 50.

    p.a.

    February 6, 2017 at 9:36 pm

    I like Cheetolini. Angry Circus Peanut also too.

    ‘Fake news’ is just rebranded ‘liberal bias’ newspeak thought control, as I pointed out to my winger relatives, but they couldn’t think their way out of a paper bag if given a machete and written instructions.

  51. 51.

    Loneoak

    February 6, 2017 at 9:37 pm

    @dm: One difference between Palantir and CA is of course the vast amount of intelligence community-controlled data Palantir has access to.

  52. 52.

    dm

    February 6, 2017 at 9:39 pm

    @Loneoak: With Bannon on the CA board, who knows how long that difference will hold?

    PS, Cathy O’Neil just published a book about data mining/machine learning/modeling that has one of the best titles ever: Weapons of Math Destruction.

  53. 53.

    Shana

    February 6, 2017 at 9:44 pm

    Hubby just forwarded something to me: #TheIdesofTrump. I hadn’t heard of it before. We’re encouraged to send postcards to SCROTUS on March 15th telling him why we oppose him and his policies. I love this idea. If he gets a million postcard, or more, he would have a harder time thinking it’s not organic. Your thoughts?

  54. 54.

    chopper

    February 6, 2017 at 9:46 pm

    impeach the peach!

  55. 55.

    Adam L Silverman

    February 6, 2017 at 9:49 pm

    @Loneoak: Correct, but as someone who’s used Palantir and CPOF (Command Post of the Future) and Analyst Notebook and a number of others in that environment, at the end of the day the people pushing these programs miss the point. Every commander I’ve dealt with – from Battalion to Brigade to Division to Corps to Army Service Component Command, as well as many other members of Command Groups and the senior staffs all like having data presented in ways they’re comfortable with. I made a fancy chart using Analyst Notebook my brigade’s deputy commander. What he wanted, and what I went back and did, was just something simple. He just wanted the names of the people he was dealing with in the local government, with pics of their faces replacing the default male icon, with their tribe and religious sect below their names. While he did care about who was connected to who and how strongly and other connections, that’s not what he wanted.

    At the end of the day all these programs are great. Especially when you’ve got good data to put into them. But as the end of the day turns to night you have to be able to qualify what you’re talking about to whoever has to digest that information and make a decision. And that usually doesn’t involve edge scores.

  56. 56.

    chopper

    February 6, 2017 at 9:51 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    trump is one of those guys who remembers the last thing he hears. since he was probably talking to bannon last, he had to use ‘marginalized’ and ‘accumulation of data’.

  57. 57.

    Loneoak

    February 6, 2017 at 9:56 pm

    @dm: Yup, not only have I read her book, I’ve blogged about it!

  58. 58.

    Zinsky

    February 6, 2017 at 10:03 pm

    Trump is a sexual pervert and degenerate who has raped a 14 year old girl and at least 17 women have stated that he sexually assaulted them. We should never, ever let the American people forget this! He is NOT NORMAL. HE IS ONE SICK PUPPY! Tell everyone you know, as often as you can!

  59. 59.

    efgoldman

    February 6, 2017 at 10:04 pm

    @Shana:

    If he gets a million postcard, or more, he would have a harder time thinking it’s not organic.

    No, he wouldn’t. “Thinking” is your mistake, here.

  60. 60.

    BruceFromOhio

    February 6, 2017 at 10:18 pm

    Let the cold water of reality shrink the #SCROTUS.

  61. 61.

    dm

    February 6, 2017 at 10:19 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: I have no hands-on experience with these tools, but I thought the idea was that these were primarily tools for analysts to find connections (i.e., generating hypotheses), not so much for making the final presentation.

    @Loneoak: I figured I should have started out with “As you probably already know…”. A propos the PredPol stuff in your blog post, Pro Publica’s work on that “sentencing guideline/bail-modeling” software was one of the things that made me start sending them money.

  62. 62.

    Adam L Silverman

    February 6, 2017 at 10:22 pm

    @dm: They should be. The problem is that they are often pitched, in training people on them, as “here’s how you make your briefing look high speed…”.

  63. 63.

    dm

    February 6, 2017 at 10:30 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: “…and incorporate this chart into PowerPoint.”

  64. 64.

    Adam L Silverman

    February 6, 2017 at 10:34 pm

    @dm: Yep. And that’s often part of the pitch as to why these things are better than CPOF. If you’re using CPOF every thing has to be done in CPOF. If you use analyst notebook or ARC GIS or Falcon View or Palantir or… you can make whatever you’re doing into an image and embed it into a powerpoint or a report. This, of course, kind of defeats the purpose as all the goodness resides in the data that can be accessed within each program. We call these images dumb images or dumb charts or dumb maps.

  65. 65.

    rikyrah

    February 6, 2017 at 10:45 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:
    of course,it’s staggering

  66. 66.

    Adam L Silverman

    February 6, 2017 at 10:51 pm

    @rikyrah: Конечно

  67. 67.

    Bupalos

    February 6, 2017 at 10:55 pm

    I’m going to disagree on the “marginalize” and “accumulation of data” terms. They are used improperly. This is Trump trying to sound “smart” like the “smart people” in his little orbit, proving he’s really the smart one behind these smart moves. It’s Trump trying to translate Bannon and… that guy, you know, that guy that I let pork my Melvaniaka, the one avenging his father. Good boy. Good guy. What were we talking about??

  68. 68.

    dm

    February 6, 2017 at 10:57 pm

    @Bupalos: Well, there’s an easy way to figure it out. Did the tweet come from an iPhone or from an Android? If the former, it’s not Trump, but a staffer. If the latter, maybe Trump.

  69. 69.

    Bupalos

    February 6, 2017 at 11:07 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: That’s very good.

    That would play out here in the sticks.

    1935 U.S. President: We have nothing to fear but fear itself.

    2016 U.S. President: OMG guys, these guys are so scary, and if something happens it’s not my fault remember I tried to shut the door and run away except these liberals wouldn’t let me. Okay? Okay? Guys?!? Not my fault, right?

  70. 70.

    J R in WV

    February 6, 2017 at 11:31 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I was on a jury of a murder trial – the deadly weapon was a Thompson Contender pistol shooting 7mm Mag with a trigger pull measured by the ballistics guys at ~20 oz. It seemed much lighter to me, we had the gun in the jury room during deliberations.

    When the gun went off, it was in a Uncle Mike shoulder holster, not being worn, just being handed around. Victim had bits of fiberglass enbedded all over his chest. So they can go off unexpectedly!

    Ballistics expert asked how many police ready rooms he visited? “Hundreds!” How many did not show any sign of an unintentional discharge? “Not many at all…”

    Not guilty.

  71. 71.

    Spence

    February 7, 2017 at 11:58 am

    http://www.stephentree.com/orange/
    Orange is coming 2007 prediction

  72. 72.

    steverinoCT

    February 7, 2017 at 3:53 pm

    @J R in WV:

    how many police ready rooms… did not show any sign of an unintentional discharge?

    I remember using the indoor pistol range at the Newport RI base, where the Naval War College is and apparently NROTC training. The overhead sound baffles were peppered with bullet holes.

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