NEW: Supreme Court pick Neil Gorsuch calls Pres. Trump comments on the judiciary "demoralizing" and "disheartening" https://t.co/i3q2sS91B1 pic.twitter.com/FyFq3teSbg
— Good Morning America (@GMA) February 8, 2017
I'd add "corrosive" and "damaging to our civic culture." https://t.co/BI060Smfkx
— Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) February 8, 2017
Note the senders: happy-chat morning tv show, and a conservative who still thinks Hillary would’ve been a terrible president (although better than the current occupant).
GOOD JOB BREAKING IT, REPUBS!
Trump: “If these judges wanted to, in my opinion, help the court in terms of respect for the court, they’d do what they should be doing” pic.twitter.com/22nnv8jnHz
— Bradd Jaffy (@BraddJaffy) February 8, 2017
“I watched last night in amazement, and I heard things I couldn’t believe!”
This is the way to knock back that "sits in his robe obsessing over cable news" story. https://t.co/3aEm2GtVNZ
— Schooley (@Rschooley) February 8, 2017
Where did you think this ride was going when you bought your ticket, you stupid chucklefuck?
The “This is fine” dog+fire comic needs to be recaptioned “This is demoralizing and disheartening”…
Should ask the judge how he would rule if we impounded assets of the French to pay us back for NATO
Don’t know who is subbing for Lawrence O’Donnell tonight, but whoever it is said that McConnell “censured” Elizabeth Warren last night.
Is that what happened? I thought Senate censure was a much more formal and drawn-out and humiliating process, but maybe I am missing something.
Don’t buy into this. That’s about the most timid thing he can say and was certainly approved by the WH team responsible for ushering through his nomination. He’s going to have to do a lot better than that to get any real credibility.
@SiubhanDuinne: didn’t the mofos (all rethugs) even vote on it?
Fuck Tom Nichols.Fuck him up his stupid ass.
Villago Delenda Est
The 25th Amendment is looking more and more like the GOP’s only opening to get out of this corner they’ve painted themselves in, and it will only provide them short term relief from a nightmare of their own authorship.
@? Martin: Yup.
WTS, this is the most clear case of cover I can possibly imagine. Gorsuch is playing all these people.
any peep from 9th circuit court yet?
Villago Delenda Est
@Corner Stone: but…but…emails!
This is Murkowski and Collins voting DeVos out of committee and then “voting” against her on the floor.
Adria McDowell (formerly Lurker Extraordinaire
There is very little that I agree with Tom Nichols on, but he has been #teamfuckTrump from the beginning. He ain’t wrong in this instance….
As for Gorsuch- what a stupid ass. Hasn’t he been paying attention? Too busy with his “Fascism Forever” club?
@Corner Stone: He just had an op-ed the other day about how protesting will cause outrage fatigue and that nasty women need to tone it down.
Yeah, no censure. Guest host probably misspoke, using censure in the casual sense.
@Villago Delenda Est: They are going to ride this tiger till it eats them or us.
@Adria McDowell (formerly Lurker Extraordinaire: Yeah. He despises Trump. But guess what?
He couches every second or third tweet in how corrupt, bad, evil, wrong or corruptly evil bad and wrong Democrats are. Specifically HRC.
Fuck his stupid ass.
Gin & Tonic
@Corner Stone: This is almost like a WWE move. “OK, next bout I’ll be the bad guy.”
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@SiubhanDuinne: Ari Melber. Wasn’t there a formal vote to “rebuke” Warren?
ETA Looks like the “rebuke” language refers to the vote to back up McConnell in finding she did violate “rule XIX”, the Special SnowFlake Safespace Rule For Republicans
Mike in NC
Maybe Judge Gorsuch will be thrown under the bus to join Chris Christie.
don’t believe it. total fakeout
God he’s like a character out of Threepenny Opera. His presidency is Brecht’s greatest triumph.
For a loose usage of “censured”, more like a smack down, or Told To Be Quiet. An official censure by the Senate is a formal affair.
Goddammit I hate autocorrect. I corrected that about 15 times and every time autocorrect fucked it up. Some of us out here can actually spell, but you would never know once autocorrect gets through with our comments. I am done with commenting. Back to lurking.
Gin & Tonic
Hey, efgoldman around? I’m reading that Charles Oakley was ejected from MSG and arrested by NYPD for some altercation that may have involved Dolan. Too bad he was arrested; I’m sure the fans would have gone wild about a good beatdown.
Smedley the uncertain
@Villago Delenda Est: Assuming they even want to get out of the mess. Some don’t see it as a bug…
I thought I heard that Chuck Schumer, after meeting with Gorsuch, said he was very concerned about what he heard. Or something like that.
@Sab: I was trying to give correct name to #4comment but autocorrect won’t let me which is weird because the guy has a normal name.
@Villago Delenda Est:
This train has no brakes.
More and more I’m realizing that the whole system was being held together by moral inertia. White people have been dreaming about doing horrible things for decades, but they restrained themselves because they thought they had to. The Trump campaign showed them just what was possible. They only resisted Trump as long as they thought he would bring bad consequences down on them. Once they realized that the Decency Police weren’t coming, all bets were off. From Deploraville WV to the Senate and the White House, they’re high on possibility, and they are going to make their worst fantasies real. Trump isn’t even the real problem anymore. He strokes out tomorrow, and we are still fucked. Because White America has found out that the bars of its cage are really made of straw.
@? Martin: right! as someone…if he really wanted to make a statement, he’d withdraw his nom…but naw…
Here’s an interesting tweet from a PA State Senator:
OT but had no idea Tim Kaine’s karma was THIS good: Carly Fiorina thinking about challenging Kaine for his seat in 2018. Oh please oh please oh please!
Carly, you just have no idea how badly you’re a-gonna get beaten here in true-blue VA if you do this…
Been at work all day busy after…has Cheeto Prez mentioned tornado damage in NOLA
Joining the warning chorus. Don’t be fooled.
@Villago Delenda Est:
The nightmare is losing elections. And thus losing the power to enact their agenda.
Until electoral losses start to mount, this is all just fun and games for them.
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
So what would have happened if she had spoken? It’s not like they can kick her out of the Senate. Do they arrest her? What if she stood up in the back of the Chamber with a megaphone and kept talking? What happens then?
Just turn off autocorrect!
@Jeffro: I wish she would decide which state she lives in.
So the next Attorney General of the US, the person who is supposed to defend the rights of US citizens…is a RACIST a BIGOT and someone who Corretta Scott King went as far as writing a letter to Congress about how bad this dude was as a nominee for a federal judgeship!!!
HARD TIMES AHEAD FOLKS HARD TIMES!
@Yarrow: IIRC Schumer said Gorsuch’s answers were evasive.
But, never mind that. Gorsuch even wimping around about, and apparently hinting that he really doesn’t want to, assert the independence of the judiciary is evidence enough for me that he is not qualified to sit on the Supreme Court. And I get to write another letter to DiFi, yay, that is always so much fun.
If he wimps around about saying it at the hearing, he is doubly illegitimate and if the Dems ever get enough seats, should be the first one impeached and removed. Roberts, Alito and Thomas can wait for later. Seriously, I think his reluctance to say what he should at the hearing is a very sound argument for removing him, since he’ll probably be confirmed by hook or crook. McConnell’s shown he is ruthless and crooked enough to ram whatever he wants through The Greatest Deliberative Collection of Pompous Rich Old Fart White Men In the World, and shut up Senators who piss him off.
Do you think Bannon respects Trump? Obviously he’s using him, but I would think someone on Bannon’s level would despise Trump. I wonder how we can get that on video?
Yes, I figured as much. But when there’s also a formal, official usage, I think the TV host should be at pains to avoid confusion. But I’m fussy that way….
You mean, once they realized the GOP doesn’t bother to police its own side and enforce even minimum standards – that they’d have to stand up and be their own Decency Police, instead of the craven cowards that they are – all bets were off?
Yeah, I agree with that.
Agreed. We’d better stomp the crap out of them in the VA and NJ governor’s races this year, and produce a full national/state/local slate of candidates (and brag about it). And then let’s keep up the marches and awesome fundraising for the ACLU, PP, and so on. It’s easy to donate more money to Democrats when no one’s spending money on Ivanka’s crap or Under Armour gear.
@Jeffro: Yep. When are those elections? November? That’s a lot closer than we think.
@SiubhanDuinne: why are you so bothered? let the rethugs set the record straight.
Why would they?
Not seeing anything. I suppose he probably tweeted something, and behind the scenes I expect competent FEMA staff are doing what needs to be done to get help to people who need it. But as far as I can tell, the status of his daughter’s branding at Nordstrom’s is a lot more important to him than homeless hurting people in NOLA.
@Jeffro: I have some gear from Under Armour, now I wonder what I should do with it.
In the next chapter, Racist America ventures outside its safe ‘cage’, discovers why sixth-generation zoo animals don’t voluntarily leave their compounds. These snowflakes have been shamelessly coddled in a Truman-Show-quality bubble of government support and protectionism; give ’em a brief trial of the way things work outside their small towns and suburban HOAs, and they run screaming back to the cages in short order.
@Corner Stone: I just want to hug you sometimes.
OK, I am officially an Old. I’ve just turned down being involved in organizing a March for Science in Seattle because the group organizing it plans and communicates via something called “slack,” which is yet another social/work/planning app that would require me to have a smartphone in order to keep up with everyone.
I’m sorta angry, very hurt, and feel very excluded.
@Omnes Omnibus: all the better. let ‘the rethugs censured a woman senator’ meme stand and spread.
Cut off / black out the labels, and use it till it wears out. (That’s the New England way!) Meanwhile, look around for substitutes for when you need replacements…
Carly, if you’re listening, we’re very scared that you could beat Tim Kaine in Virginia. Very, very scared.
@schrodingers_cat: Since you already have it, use it. Keep it covered. Don’t buy more.
@schrodingers_cat: Put duct tape over the logo if it’s visible.
Don’t buy this good cop/bad cop routine from Trump and Gorsuck.
It’s a ruse to peel off Dem opposition to his nomination.
@Jeffro: Carly. Fiorina.
What, was Alan Keyes busy?
So, Trump is saying that his understanding of the law is about the same as a bad high school student’s?
They won’t, though. I’m bothered because if news anchors start tossing around the word “censured” for what happened to Warren, it’ll become part of the official record in a matter of days. Another piece of the “big lies” puzzle. I think, to the extent possible, we need to be aware of any deviation from the truth and call it out/correct it whenever we come across it, no matter how trivial it may seem on its own.
@CaseyL: don’t feel excluded! Organize another group to march at the same time. Everyone is needed, not just slackers (<see what I did there?).
Edited. Other people hate autocorrect too.
@Jeffro: I wonder what her next version of the demon sheep ad will be.
@Omnes Omnibus: One pair of running shorts the logo is barely visible and a ratty shirt that I only wear at home.
It wasn’t a vote to “censure,” though.
Don’t blame you — I only just switched because my old flip-phone bricked. There’s a learning curve!
On the other hand, can you put your hands on a cheap ‘burner’ from the drugstore or big-box chain, and put the Slack app on that?
@The Lodger: Thank you for that, I burst out laughing.
@schrodingers_cat: I have one shirt that I wear for chilly cycling. I always wore it as a base layer anyway.
@Cacti: And like everything else, pathetically transparent and stupid. From what I understand, Gorsuch said what Trump did was wrong in private interviews, but sort also said, or hinted, he really doesn’t want to say it out loud publicly at the hearing.
Shit, if that is true, Gorsuch is an asshole, as well as believing a lot of goofy BS about how the Constitution works.
Pending further damn hard evidence, I believe highly likely that the WH is in on some stupid stunt. It is stupid and transparent as hell, and if enough Dems have any backbone, will blow up in the WH’s face, will erode the credibility of the court because a lot people who even half way follow the news will remember Gorsuch as Justice Chickenshit.
And if Gorsuch is trying this stunt, he is no prize and shouldn’t be on the court.
As Alexander Hamilton said, this is a ‘spectacle both hilarious and disgusting’. Stop Trump, please stop, I’ve had too much ‘hilarious and disgusting’ and its only 2 and half weeks into your botched and egregious administration.
Technically, you don’t need a smartphone — there’s a perfectly good web version. But I can see why you would feel that way.
Slack is actually really good for getting groups together and organized, so I can see why they chose it, but they didn’t have to be jerks about it.
@schrodingers_cat: Work out in it, then sell it on eBay.
@Anne Laurie: I don’t want to, that’s the thing. I’m perfectly good using phone/cell phone, email, FB messaging… I do not want to have to learn yet another piece of tech, do not want to have to buy a smartphone (I already have a dumb phone), just Do.Not.Want.
@SiubhanDuinne: guest host is a lawyer. He should fucking know better.
Schadenfreude time: The Butthurt. BBC showcases some sad American “conservative” college students.
@lamh36: i’m horrified and really worried. we’ve already seen how some unhinged aholes in the customs bureau have acted because they feel like they have backing. now racist cops will be looking to really assert their authority because they know the local white juries aren’t going to do shit, and the attorney general isn’t going to do shit either.
Carly’s been taking Spanish and blues harp lessons. BE VERY AFRAID of Carly V3.0!
@Gin & Tonic:
I’m here. But other than the fact I’m old enough to remember Oakley as a player, and Dolan is one of the 100 most loathsome men on the planet who’s not in congress, I don’t know what the salience is.
Prime Oakley vs Draymond Green would be the hoops version of Ali-Frasier.
@chris: I was an “out” liberal in the army. They can kiss my ass.
Bannonazi has no respect for any of his subordinates, including Apricot Asswipe, who himself has no respect for anyone who ever lived.
@jl: A person willing to be nominated by Trump is a person who puts self-interest above making moral decisions and is either willing to be used or is deluded by self-importance.
See my response above — you can go to Slack.com from your computer’s web browser and see if you like it. No phone required.
@Omnes Omnibus: That was probably a lot scarier than what these poor snowflakes are suffering. How they get into college with such thinkering skills id beyond me.
When are you taking your standup comedy routine on the road? Has he even named a FEMA director yet? I’d bet most of the competent people are gone, gone gone.
Plus he doesn’t give a shit.
Burning it is too good. Wear it for a hard workout, get it all sweaty and stinky, cut it into ribbons, and mail it to them.
@efgoldman: You make it sound like a perfect marriage for them. To bad it is hell for us.
@schrodingers_cat: homeless person or shelter ?
Villago Delenda Est
@Yarrow: Gorsuch is as much a piece of shit as his mother. Fuck him.
@Corner Stone: Agree
@chris: Nah, people just gave me shit and I gave them shit back. It did not affect the day job aspect of serving. I quickly found and became best friends with the other known liberal junior officer in the battalion.
It’s very inside baseball. The meme is already out there that Yertle McTurtle shut her up. That’s all.
Even in a place like this, senate procedural rules are mostly unknown.
Plus nobody except masochists watches MSNBC any more.
Medium to long term, no such thing for Mango Malignancy. People either can’t stand him anymore, or they “betray” him and they’re gone.
Gin & Tonic
@efgoldman: I just recall you being a big fan of Dolan.
@lamh36: The pain and destruction he will cause.
I’m grateful at least he wasn’t a judge for the last 20 years. But now this unbearable harm.
Time to stop wringing hands and start organizing, then. White allies will be especially important in Sessions-friendly communities.
” White allies will be especially important in Sessions-friendly communities. ”
If things look ugly enough for the next election, remind potential White allies that they will also get put on the list of those who don’t vote right and something ought to be done about it.
@Omnes Omnibus: Once upon a time politics were different weren’t they? I had a couple of conservative friends back in the last century but dropped them when they became extremists.
@Gin & Tonic:
Check your brake lines when you leave the house.
@chris: Find me a Bob Dole type conservative and I can have a conservative friend. I won’t agree with him/her but I could comfortably hang out and drink with him/her. They are gone.
@Omnes Omnibus: Yeah, I didn’t agree with the Conservatives of the 80s and 90s but they weren’t actual monsters intent on hurting people. You’re right, they’re gone.
So that means basically that the world is over and we’ll never be able to vote enough to remedy it? WASF.
slack is fine. I use it in my anti-trump group in Seattle.
@Karen: No, it only means that if you give up. As Obama said, it is up to us. What are you up for?
She ran last time in California. Now, Virginia?HUH?
@rikyrah: People move.
No One You Know
@CaseyL: I don’t know how much this’ll help, but for what it’s worth, slack is free software app that behaves like instant messaging with some of the features of e-mail and word processing…I don’t embrace new apps easily, but I put it on my tablet, and liked it. Reduced some clicks, and I didn’t have to change file formats so often- or do “save as.”
J R in WV
@Sab: You can turn autocorrect off, you know. I’m not using it now, if I can help it!
@jl: What a wimp, indeed. Demoralized and disheartened? How about outraged and angry?
@randy khan: Vewy,vewy scared of that wabbit.
@Cacti: What would be darkly amusing though is if the Trump can’t keeps track of this and actually becomes offended and years into Gorsuch publicly even though it’s supposed to be obvious theatre. You know he’s capable and small enough to do it. The hair tearing behind the scenes would be great. Unlikely they can probably control him that much at least.