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This needs to happen every time twitler makes a false statement. That these Senators sat in silence while he said it is outrageous. Good for Weintraub for calling his bullshit.

Everyone in a position of power or the media needs to demand evidence for everyone of his claims. In public and don’t stop. Murder rate highest it’s ever been? Show us your documented facts to prove this. Mexico is going to pay for the wall? Show us the signed agreement.

And so on and so forth….

And it needs to be tied to the Republicans every time. Do they agree with his statements? Do they have the facts to back it up? What are they going to do to stop his incessant lying. Ask publicly and redirect them every time they try to slither around it.

Shitgibbon, indeed.

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  1. 1.

    Yarrow

    That is excellent! Good for her.

    And it needs to be tied to the Republicans every time. Do they agree with his statements? Do they have the facts to back it up? What are they going to do to stop his incessant lying. Ask publicly and redirect them every time they try to slither around it.

    Yes. This. The Republican administration. The Republican president. The Republicans say… He’s theirs. Make them own him.

  11. 11.

    Corner Stone

    I can’t imagine Obama ever not having information ready to at least respond in the most minimal way. But I am honestly relieved that Trump just said nothing when asked.
    *sphincter unclenched for the moment*

  12. 12.

    FlyingToaster

    Trump supposedly got his info from former-Senator Centerfold, lil’ Scotty Brown. Who moved to Lake Winnepesaukee and assumed he would get the nomination (not) to get beat by Jeanne Shaheen.

    New Hampshire has voter ID. There were busloads of Massholes who went up to canvas, but a Mass DL won’t get you into a New Hamster polling place, just the State Liquor Stores.

  13. 13.

    Thru the Looking Glass...

    Ya know, I really, really like this…

    Call the fool on his lies… DON’T let crap like this go unaddressed…

    I almost fell off my chair laughing earlier in the week when Scott Pelley off w/…

    “It has been a busy day for presidential statements divorced from reality.”

    Every last time that clown or anybody associated w/ his admin tells some kind of stunningly stupid, OBVIOUS lie, CALL. THEM. OUT. Immediately…

  15. 15.

    jl

    Trump very probably delusional enough to really believe total BS about losing the popular vote because of illegal voting by non-citizen immigrants at the polls. Or maybe Trump doesn’t realize that naturalized citizens have the right to vote?

    Either way, will make immigration policy under Trump a nightmare, but may well complicate GOP and Trump/Bannon/Sessions plans to suppress the vote if he insists on chasing phantoms to vindicate his lousy candidacy.

    BTW, until the 1930s, many states allowed non-citizen immigrants to vote in local and state elections. Maybe that is one of the differences between a healthy democracy that has faith in the people who choose to live within its borders and a nation infested with degraded xenophobic habitually pissed pants scared chickenshit and vengeful citizens incapable of self-government. Not everyone of course, not even a majority, but enough of them to mess things up for the rest, both citizens and immigrants.

  18. 18.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    @jl:

    Or maybe Trump doesn’t realize that naturalized citizens have the right to vote?

    Bingo. Didn’t he make a statement earlier this year to the effect that he could tell the voters in line were not legitimate voters by just looking at them?

    Republicans are fully aware of the demographic time bomb and you just know they’re trying to work up a “legal” mass disenfranchisement far beyond the scale of anything we’ve seen so far.

  21. 21.

    ? Martin

    @Josie: Yeah, I think the WH Press Corps should organize to constantly ask followup questions on these lies – until they get proof or a recantation and to block the coverage of other content. Stop inviting WH officials on their shows until we start getting answers.

    We should do the same with town halls.

  22. 22.

    efgoldman

    @Iowa Old Lady:

    Trying to follow his arguments makes my head hurt.

    The amazing thing is how 2.8 million frauds cast ballots in California, then got on buses and went to Massachusetts four hours before they could vote in California, to then be bused into NH by 800pm local time, and exceed the total population of the Granite state.

    Or something.

  24. 24.

    Peale

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: yep. Many immigrants, you see, are taking advantage of us by following the rules, obtaining green cards, applying for citizenship and having babies. My guess is that the plan is to stop this wherever they can.

  25. 25.

    efgoldman

    @? Martin:

    I think the WH Press Corps should organize to constantly ask followup questions on these lies

    Make sure you put that tooth under your pillow, leave cookies and milk for Santa, and ride your Unicorn to the town meeting.

  26. 26.

    SiubhanDuinne

    Every time we see this kind of bravery, whether from a state lawmaker like PA state senator Daylin Leach, or a nationally-known elected official like US Senator Elizabeth Warren (MA), or a bureaucratic official nobody has previously heard of (former acting Attorney General Sally Yates, now FEC Commissioner Ellen Weintraub) — every time that happens, it makes it that much easier, and safer, for other officials and citizens across this country to step forward and say “THIS IS NOT RIGHT, THIS IS NOT JUST, THIS IS NOT NORMAL.”

    Only three weeks in to this administration, and we already have a plethora of candidates for the “Profiles in Courage” award.

    Stronger together.

  30. 30.

    Hal

    Um, am I the only one who didn’t know Kelly Ayotte lost her Senate seat?! I guess in all the post election Trump drama I missed it completely. I almost feel bad about how gleeful I am at this realization. Almost.

  32. 32.

    Jeffro

    @Yarrow:

    Yes. This. The Republican administration. The Republican president. The Republicans say… He’s theirs. Make them own him.

    Yup. They had a (lame) excuse before, that they didn’t know how Orangemandias would govern, and/or that they’d “reign him in”. But he was a disaster from the election to the inauguration, and he’s been even worse since the inauguration. And now they’re going to be on record with their votes supporting his nonsense…as well as effectively being on the record when they ignore the things he does and take no action.

    Keep it up and be happy warriors, people!

  34. 34.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Corner Stone:

    It cannot help matters that SoKo is in its own cluckfuster of a political/governing mess right now. And I guess it could be a genuine coincidence, but it’s interesting that this mid-range ballistic missile test happened at the very time PM Abe was visiting the new POTUS. I am not smart enough or well-read enough to read all the tea leaves, and as usual am hoping that Adam will have some well-educated thoughts later this evening.

  36. 36.

    Villago Delenda Est

    It occurred to me today that anyone who gets the “Don’t trust anyone over 30” reference long ago became untrustworthy.

  38. 38.

    efgoldman

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    Obama and his time machine strike yet again.

    The question is: Did he transport one person 2.8 million times, or 2.8 million, once?
    Inquiring science minds want to know.

  39. 39.

    Mike J

    @? Martin:

    Yeah, I think the WH Press Corps should organize to constantly ask followup questions on these lies – until they get proof or a recantation and to block the coverage of other conten

    Spicer can always call on Fox, Washington Times, or other wingnut media outlets, and they’ll happily ask why Trump is such a swell guy.

  42. 42.

    Jay Noble

    Sooner or later, isn’t one of these lies going to cross the line of lying to law enforcement ala Martha Stewart?

  46. 46.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    Kim Jong Un ‏@RealKimJong_Un

    Trump’s inability to control the courts is an embarrassment to all of us dictators. @POTUS @realDonaldTrump

    1 reply 17 retweets 30 likes

    Kim Jong Un ‏@RealKimJong_Un

    Getting off Twitter to go Drain The Swamp. #firingsquads #MakeKoreaGreatAgain

    1 reply 3 retweets 9 likes

    Kim Jong Un ‏@RealKimJong_Un

    [email protected] @realDonaldTrump Good start, it’s working! Next step: carefully float the idea of rounding up dissenters “for their own good.”

    0 replies 6 retweets 11 likes

  53. 53.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    Ivanka and Jared, in black tie, exit Mar-a-Lago and drive away. Big partying tonight in Palm Beach, including for billionaire Steve Schwarzman’s 70th.(photo)

    #HeartlandValues #EconomicAnxiety #PrairiePopulism #WhiteWorkingClass #RustBelt

  54. 54.

    efgoldman

    @Jay Noble:

    isn’t one of these lies going to cross the line of lying to law enforcement

    Nope. Unless he’s asked for direct testimony. Even then, he’d still have to be impeached.
    The Watergate grand jury named Tricksie Dicksie Nixie as an unindicted co-conspirator because the special prosecutor felt he couldn’t indict the president directly.

    ETA: While he was actually in office.

  55. 55.

    Patricia Kayden

    @jl: Or maybe Trump doesn’t realize that non-White citizens get to vote. I assume that people he heard about voting illegally weren’t of his complexion.

  58. 58.

    jl

    @Patricia Kayden: We have Trump’s own word that he is the least bigoted person ever in the multiverse. And we all know how good Trump’s word is on things. (Edit: Trump’s word is the best word in the multi-history of the multiverse. We know that is true because Trump sez so.)

  64. 64.

    Bruuuuce

    Yep. I have been telling everyone I know that with regard to El Presidente and his minions, “Ich bin ein Missourian. SHOW ME.”

    You’d think they’d fake up their evidence to have on hand when they lie, instead of telling us to wait while the ink dries.

  65. 65.

    efgoldman

    @Bruuuuce:

    instead of telling us to wait while the ink dries.

    They have yoooge warehouses full of invisible ink, just for this purpose. You just can’t see them.

  66. 66.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    Donald J. Drumpf ‏@RealDonalDrumpf 57m57 minutes ago

    I will not issue a statement on North Korea until tomorrow because there’s a new #SNL tonight and Alec Baldwin’s hosting!

    6 replies 187 retweets 429 likes

    Impeach Donald Trump ‏@Impeach_D_Trump 27m27 minutes ago

    President Trump came out harder and faster against Nordstrom than he has against North Korea for firing a ballistic missile… Says a lot!

    44 replies 340 retweets 642 likes

  67. 67.

    GregB

    @Hal:

    It was one of the few bright spots on that night of unalloyed misery.

    NH sent an all Democratic, all female delegation to DC but turned the Governer and state house and senate to the Goobers.

  68. 68.

    JMG

    This is so simple. China made Trump back up on Friday, China’s psycho little sibling N. Korea acts out today. Every country on earth knows that if they take it to the limit (all China did was ignore him for three months) he’ll fold like a cheap suitcase.

  69. 69.

    Aleta

    In USA Today

    A New Jersey congressman says a rarely invoked 1924 law could be used to examine President Donald Trump’s tax returns for possible conflicts of interest and Constitutional violations.

    Rep. Bill Pascrell, a Democrat who serves on the Ways and Means Committee, has asked the committee’s chairman, Rep. Kevin Brady of Texas, to order the Treasury Department to provide tax returns to the committee. Brady’s office did not respond to a request for comment Friday.

    After privately examining returns — Pascrell is seeking 10 years’ worth — the committee could decide to share them with the full House, which would in effect make them public. The 1924 law gives congressional committees that set tax policy the power to examine tax returns. It was used in 1974 when Congress looked at President Richard Nixon’s returns, and in 2014 when the Ways and Means Committee released confidential tax information as part of its investigation into the Internal Revenue Service’s handling of applications for nonprofit status.

    “This isn’t for the Democrats or the Republicans, and it’s not to embarrass anybody,” he said. “This is to make sure the American people know the facts, and if there are conflicts, they need to be resolved.”

    Asked if he thought he would succeed, Pascrell said he believes many Republicans in the House and Senate “are absolutely intimidated by this president.”

    Pascrell said he did not believe Trump has turned over control of his companies to his children, and even if he did, Pascrell agreed with ethics officials who oversee the executive branch that that is not sufficient to avoid conflicts.
    Pascrell also said he believes Trump is violating the “emoluments clause” of the Constitution….
    …
    “We know that state-owned enterprises in China and the United Arab Emirates are involved in his businesses, and that his business ties stretch to India, Turkey and the Philippines and beyond,” Pascrell wrote. (Feb. 1 letter to Brady.) “Russia, Saudi Arabia and Taiwan may also have ties to his businesses.”

    Pascrell said foreign governments are paying rents, licensing fees, and issuing permits for Trump Organization projects, all of which could be used to influence the president.The letter asked Brady to reply by Wednesday.

    “If I get a ‘no’ answer on this, I’ll be very honest with you: If these guys think I’m walking away from this, they’re absolutely nuts,” Pascrell said. “The calls we’re getting, the calls other congressmen are getting, it’s unbelievable, we never expected this.”

    Keep calling.

  71. 71.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    That these Senators sat in silence while he said it is outrageous. Good for Weintraub for calling his bullshit.

    It’s so frustrating that these people with real power just sit there cowed. But now we have a brave leader in Ellen Weintraub (a woman, I must note) who has stood up. Leaders are essential, but “>the rule of First Followers is now in effect. First Followers are the most important aspect of any movement, which is where we are now, and without First Followers, nothing will happen.

  75. 75.

    efgoldman

    HAH! Libturd doutterz! Gothcer now! Looky here, rampant, RAMPANT voter fraud I tells ya’! (h/t LG&M)

    Despite repeated statements by Republican political leaders that American elections are rife with illegal voting, credible reports of fraud have been hard to find and convictions rarer still.
    .
    That may help explain the unusually heavy penalty imposed on Rosa Maria Ortega, 37, a permanent resident and a mother of four who lives outside Dallas. On Thursday, a Fort Worth judge sentenced her to eight years in prison — and almost certainly deportation later — after she voted illegally in elections in 2012 and 2014.
    .
    The sentence for Ms. Ortega, who was brought to this country by her mother as an infant, “shows how serious Texas is about keeping its elections secure,” Ken Paxton, the Texas attorney general, said in a statement. Her lawyer called it an egregious overreaction, made to score political points, against someone who wrongly believed she was eligible to vote.

  77. 77.

    Mnemosyne

    @raven:

    Random war trivia: when the British were fighting the Americans during the Revolution and the War of 1812, the nickname they gave the Americans was “Jonathan” since there seemed to be so goddamned many of them by that name.

  79. 79.

    efgoldman

    @amk:

    A GOP official tries the “death panel” line in 2017 and opens the gates of hell

    I get the feeling that Republiklown town halls are going to be extinct very soon.
    Whether that will be enough to keep people energized without a direct object of anger, we’ll see.

  85. 85.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Mnemosyne:

    Jerry was a nickname given to Germans during the Second World War by soldiers and civilians of the Allied nations, in particular by the British. The nickname was originally created during World War I,[11] but it did not find common use until World War II.[11]

    Though the term was meant to be short for German. The name Jerry may have derived from the stahlhelm introduced in 1916, which was said by British soldiers to resemble a chamber pot[12] or Jeroboam.[13] Alternatively, it may be a simple alteration of the word German.[14] One ongoing use of “Jerry” is found in the term jerrycan.

  89. 89.

    efgoldman

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    The Prince Rupert who commanded the Royalist cavalry during there English Civil War was actually a Ruprecht.

    But he wasn’t anywhere near as funny.

  91. 91.

    Lizzy L

    @Mnemosyne: During the American Civil War, the Confederate soldiers were called “Johnny Reb.”

    And as all readers of Rudyard Kipling know, the Brits called their infantryman “Tommy Atkins”, or just “Tommy.”

    “You talk o’ better food for us, an’ schools, an’ fires, an’ all:
    We’ll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
    Don’t mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
    The Widow’s Uniform is not the soldier-man’s disgrace.
    For it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Chuck him out, the brute!”
    But it’s “Saviour of ‘is country” when the guns begin to shoot;
    An’ it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ anything you please;
    An’ Tommy ain’t a bloomin’ fool — you bet that Tommy sees!”

  92. 92.

    Adrift

    @Aleta:

    A New Jersey congressman says a rarely invoked 1924 law could be used to examine President Donald Trump’s tax returns for possible conflicts of interest and Constitutional violations.

    Yes! This is my congressman and I am so proud of this. I’ve already called and thanked his local office. I should send them lunch or gift cards.

  94. 94.

    hovercraft

    @Aleta:
    So if she’s a GOPer concerned about “illegals” voting, which they all seen to be, why the hell would she do it? Is she stupid, did she think that she was exempt? What the hell is wrong with these people who keep voting for people who say they will punish them, and then when they do exactly what they said they would do they are shocked. Serves her right, she made her bed, now she gets to lay in it.

  99. 99.

    hovercraft

    @efgoldman:
    Of the tens of people who have been found committing “voter fraud” in the last few cycles, haven’t the vast majority of them been republicans?

  103. 103.

    efgoldman

    @hovercraft:

    Serves her right, she made her bed, now she gets to lay in it.

    Eight fucking years??!? Let’s see, I expectorated in the subway once, I should get at least 15-20, doncha’ think? How about five years for your last parking ticket?
    Did you READ the fucking article at the link?
    There’s something about being the Texas AG that brings out the very worst asshole fascist in people.

    ETA: Or did you leave out the snarkasm tag?

  104. 104.

    hovercraft

    @Mnemosyne:
    I guess I should feel sorry for her, but I’m pretty sure that when confronted with someone else in her situation, she would have been the first to say throw the book at her. Republicans are all about epiphanies when situations became personal, they have no empathy. Sorry but I still have no sympathy for her.

  105. 105.

    Chet Murthy

    @hovercraft: First in her (admittedly weak) defense, she’s apparently only a little bit older than siblings who *are* citizens. So there’s some reason (from what I have read) to believe that her belief that she could vote was …. not wholly unreasonable (by which I mean, for a person of limited cognition, it’s possible she thought she’d thought it thru, even though she hadn’t). That said, that she knew her parents were undocumented, and she still went on to vote R *twice* …. well, y’know, the stupid runs thick in TX.

    Also: just ‘cos she’s brown, don’t mean she ain’t stupid as a brick. Stupidity isn’t just for white folks, after all. It’s equal-oppty.

    OK, all that said, one does get the feeling of “just deserts”. I can’t deny it, the schadenfreude did flow in me too, upon reading about it.

  112. 112.

    TS

    If the political media was doing its job – instead of allowing the shitgibbon to lock them up in corners – the question would be front & center EVERY time the idiot speaks.

  114. 114.

    Jeffro

    Checking out Maddow’s segment on Flynn/Russia, entitled “How To Tell When Something’s a Big Deal”

    Flynn, Mr. “First With the Standing Ovation for Putin” at that RT dinner…I think he’s a goner. Should be exciting to watch Pence, Priebus, and Spicer take hits for covering for him.

  115. 115.

    Mnemosyne

    @hovercraft:

    I’m not really that sympathetic, but it’s awfully ironic. It’s like the stories of the KKK or neo-Nazi members who find out that they themselves have African-American or Jewish ancestors.

  117. 117.

    sdhays

    @amk: I agree that she’s not the most sympathetic person here, but 8 years is still an outrageous injustice. We shouldn’t lose sight of that.

  118. 118.

    amk

    @sdhays: be that as it may, she did vote for it. wilfully. time to face the consequences. just like the death panel!!! peddlers/believers.

  121. 121.

    TS

    @Omnes Omnibus: After their non-stop attacks on President Obama, I will NEVER understand how they allowed themselves to be herded into a cage & still continue to give him positive coverage. Got to be cowardice – scared of losing the miserable amount of political power that remains to them. Wonder when they will reach the stage of “nothing left to lose”

  125. 125.

    Amir Khalid

    @Mnemosyne:
    On the other hand, the “Dutch” angle was pioneered by a German filmmaker. And the Pennsylvania “Dutch” are in fact descendants of German settlers. So there’s that.

  126. 126.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @Amir Khalid: Dutch = Deutsch. A pretty common mistake among Americans. My mom was born in Philly and didn’t understand the origin until I explained it to her when I took German in High School.

  127. 127.

    J R in WV

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Well, John Boehner, previously Republican Majority Leader of the U S House…. he was kinda orange.

    Is it suspicious that they all seem to be Republicans??????????? Maybe we’re being invaded by aliens from Planet OrangeJulius??

  128. 128.

    Calming Influence

    Every elected Democrat should refer to Trump as “Republican president and head of the Republican party Donald Trump…”

  129. 129.

    Shalimar

    @efgoldman: The truly amazing thing is that Hillary Clinton had 3 million fake votes ready so she could turn a small total vote Trump win into a big total vote Clinton win even though she expected to win easily, but did not plan for 80 thousand of those fake votes to be in the states that would have actually given her an electoral college win.

    “Mr. Trump, so you’re saying that even if Hillary Clinton didn’t have those 3-4 million fake voters, you would still only be almost exactly as popular as she is?”

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