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“woke” is the new caravan.

No offense, but this thread hasn’t been about you for quite a while.

You don’t get to peddle hatred on saturday and offer condolences on sunday.

Whatever happens next week, the fight doesn’t end.

A snarling mass of vitriolic jackals

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If you’re pissed about Biden’s speech, he was talking about you.

Too often we confuse noise with substance. too often we confuse setbacks with defeat.

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After roe, women are no longer free.

Just because you believe it, that doesn’t make it true.

The worst democrat is better than the best republican.

It’s time for the GOP to dust off that post-2012 autopsy, completely ignore it, and light the party on fire again.

Their freedom requires your slavery.

It may be funny to you motherfucker, but it’s not funny to me.

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“Our” President-Asterisk is losing his tiny mind, and he doesn’t even have Nixon’s excuse of being extremely drunk at the time…


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BACK TO THE DAYS WHEN LIFE WAS FUN!!!

(But paid for by us taxpayers, of course.)

The Canadians are mocking us, again…



THANKS SO MUCH, REPUBLICANS — THIS IS ALL ON YOU.

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  1. 1.

    Baud

    “what will you do to stop the increase in anti-Semitism that has followed your election?

    Get them to focus on hating Latinos for a little while?

  2. 2.

    Villago Delenda Est

    “People before government”.

    Whatever the fuck that means.

    How about “people before profits” Donald?

    [crickets]

  3. 3.

    debbie

    Adam Schiff deserves an award for his tweet. I almost drove off the road listening to Trump’s response in real time.

  4. 4.

    Baud

    And how do you have a rally at an airport? How does that even work, unless they mean an airport hotel?

  5. 5.

    Hungry Joe

    If you were to ask him about pottery traditions of 18th-century Inuits, he’d tell you how many electoral votes he got. If you were to ask him about comic foils in early Shakespeare, he’d tell you how many electoral votes he got. If you were to ask him about dentition in Australopithecus afarensis, or the topspin generated by Rafael Nadal’s backhand, or … or … or … he’d tell you how many electoral votes he got.

  7. 7.

    MJS

    In keeping with his man of the people image, Trump has refused to select a March Madness bracket. Shame on ESPN for asking in the first place, but the Twitter explosions as each of his selections lost would have been epic.

  10. 10.

    Mnemosyne

    @debbie:

    He used to be my rep — we moved one city over and ended up in another district. As I’ve been saying, he represents a district that is heavily populated by Armenian immigrants who are skeptical of Russia and strong Democratic voters. Plus there are a fair number of ethnic Armenian Muslims, which means they’re really not on the Trump train.

  12. 12.

    Felonius Monk

    @debbie:

    Oh, please. He knows nothing of sports.

    I think he knows more about sports than he does about governing. After all he destroyed a football league, but hasn’t quite yet destroyed this country.

  16. 16.

    Corner Stone

    @Hungry Joe: TBF, those are actually complex and nuanced topics. Answering why anti-semitism and racist attacks have risen could be directly addressed if he so chose.

  17. 17.

    Montanareddog

    @Hungry Joe: it would not surprise me if his next EO was for the commissioning of a large microwave array to transmit the details of his EC win into deep space. So some sentient fungus in a distant galaxy will be impressed by the size of his victory in Earth year 2525.

  18. 18.

    p.a.

    It’s not true Anarchism, but we’re getting a taste of what a headless executive is like. Heedless too…

  20. 20.

    Yarrow

    @Baud: Was thinking the same thing. In the airport? How does that work? You can’t get through security without special permission. Outside the airport? I bet all the passengers at that airport will be thrilled by all the extra security and traffic. On the tarmac? How’s security going to work for that? Will the airport have to shut down? I’m sure the main airport for Disneyworld and all other Orlando attractions will looooove having all air traffic halted so the president can hold a rally.

    Tickets are available. I’m sure no protesters will want tickets. None at all.

  21. 21.

    Bobby Thomson

    @Baud: I once went to a rally Bubba had at the Bridgeport airport for Bill Curry. Curry went on to lose handily to a crook and repaid the favor by becoming a massive douche.

  22. 22.

    Corner Stone

    Don’t you fucking tell me I don’t like lasagna! I will cut you right the fuck out of my will you pretty boy metrosexual motherfucker! Now shut up and drive this old ass “Buick” back to my place.

  24. 24.

    Ian G.

    @Montanareddog:

    Like how Niyazov in Turkmenistan shot his book into space for aliens to read?

    I’m wondering when he does other lunatic dictator things, like bestow insane titles upon himself a la Idi Amin. “Donald J. Trump, Conqueror of the Empire of Islam and Lord over the Isles of Manhattan, the Purple Mountains, and the Fruited Plains”

    I’m also awaiting him renaming Saturday as Ivankaday.

  26. 26.

    Feebog

    its as if the default answer to every question posed to him is to brag about his 306 electoral votes. Once in a while someone asks a question he has some knowledge about and he will give a simplistic answer, otherwise, a noun, a verb, several adjectives and 306.

  27. 27.

    Roger Moore

    @Baud:

    It’s his version of Norman Coordinate.

    I think it’s the closest thing he can get to polite chitchat. When he can’t think of any other issue to talk about, he talks about the election instead of the weather, sports, popular culture, or the like the way normal human beings do.

  29. 29.

    Corner Stone

    @Baud:

    So how was it done logistically?

    He would show you but the chart is basically unreadable in the interwebs format.

  30. 30.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @debbie:

    I almost drove off the road listening to Trump’s response in real time.

    Me too. I think I might have screamed “YOU IGNORANT EGOCENTRIC RACIST FUCK!!” at the car radio.

  31. 31.

    hovercraft

    Why does everyone insist on harshing his mellow. He won, he’s happy, his fans are happy and the entire world is in awe of him and his accomplishments, why must the stupid media and a the sore losers who voted for Hillary keep being such buzzkills. Liberals are paying people to do this shit to make him look bad, but none of this stuff is true, and if a couple of people have done some bad shit, how is he supposed to stop it, it has nothing to do with him.

  35. 35.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Yarrow:

    I’m sure the main airport for Disneyworld and all other Orlando attractions will looooove having all air traffic halted so the president can hold a rally.

    When is Mnem heading for Mouseworld again? I for one would love her, um, unique take on the airport event ;-)

  37. 37.

    Yarrow

    @Yarrow: Okay, I had a look. The Orlando-Melbourne International Airport isn’t the main Orlando airport. It does have flights by Delta and American but I guess it’s smaller. So maybe easier to have a rally there? Still, they’ll have to halt flights. Too dangerous while a president is there.

    Also, what’s he doing in that area? I checked google maps and it’s almost two hours drive away. What’s he doing up there? A fundraiser?

  38. 38.

    hilts

    Trump has nothing between his ears but hot air. For the past 25 days, he’s demonstrated that he lacks the mental capacity to do this damn job. He needs to get fitted for a straitjacket because he’s batshit crazy.

  39. 39.

    JPL

    @Aleta: It’s not a problem. Candidate Trump wondered what nukes were for, if you can’t use them. You’re in safe little fingers.

  40. 40.

    zhena gogolia

    @delk:

    You are stoic to fall asleep during an MRI! I had one on my knee, so head completely out of the machine, and had twelve panic attacks from the noise.

    Hoping for good news!

  41. 41.

    Baud

    @Yarrow:

    The White House told them that Trump’s plane would be stopping at the Melbourne airport on Saturday as he made his way down to Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach, the third visit in as many weeks to what the Trump administration calls the “Winter White House.”

  42. 42.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @MJS:

    In keeping with his man of the people image, Trump has refused to select a March Madness bracket.

    Will he still do an Easter Egg Roll, though? Will he pardon a turkey?

  43. 43.

    danielx

    I know we are, as the saying goes, living in historic times and all that. After eight years more or less without drama, however, I’ve discovered that I prefer boredom in the historic sense.

    I would imagine the Clinton household has stocked up on popcorn and G & T makings.

  45. 45.

    debbie

    @Baud:

    That must be my problem. I simply cannot believe that a person is so unaware of the inappropriateness of that response. Where are his damn handlers? I can’t believe Bannon would approve of his puppet looking so ridiculous.

  47. 47.

    Yarrow

    @Baud: Thanks. That’s odd. Why’s he going down on Saturday afternoon? Doesn’t he usually go Friday for the weekend?

  57. 57.

    Aleta

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Old submarine hands, including retired senior commanders, tended to brush aside political concern about the Russian ship. They said that such vessels are interested primarily in eavesdropping on electronic communications, but lack the technology to crack U.S. encryption.

    “This is for show,” said retired Vice Admiral N. Ronald Thunman, former Deputy Chief of Naval Operations for submarine warfare.

  62. 62.

    randy khan

    One does wonder how the tickets will be distributed. Probably not an opportunity for protests, but you never know.

  63. 63.

    Baud

    @Aleta:

    They said that such vessels are interested primarily in eavesdropping on electronic communications, but lack the technology to crack U.S. encryption unless they have the codes, and those are protected at the highest levels of our government, so . . . . oh

    Fixed.

  64. 64.

    Mnemosyne

    @Ian G.:

    I’m also awaiting him renaming Saturday as Ivankaday.

    His advisors would never let him do that, because the giant Cat Lady constituency would rebel in numbers never before seen in American history. It would make the Women’s March look like a gathering in the park.

    Because, as all right-thinking people know, the proper name for that day is “Caturday.”

  68. 68.

    Mnemosyne

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Not for another month, thank goodness. Because Trump blocking me from seeing my nieces AND from Disney World might lead to me being tackled by the Secret Service.

  71. 71.

    Yarrow

    @randy khan: I clicked through (shudder). You have to give your email and a phone number, name and state and zip you live in. Two tickets per phone number. But it’s still first come, first served.

    From the article Baud linked to, apparently he had an event in this hangar before.

    On Sept. 27, Trump made a campaign speech at the same AeroMod International hangar. Melbourne Police Chief Steve Mimbs estimated the audience was about 8,500 inside the hangar. Thousands more people who wanted to attend could not get inside because of building capacity limits.

    Not sure he’s going to have that big a crowd this time. We’ll see.

    The article says no signs, etc. I guess cellphone cameras are okay. Also this:

    • Trump-related merchandise will be sold at this event.

    What a shocker.

  72. 72.

    Jeffro

    @Roger Moore:

    When he can’t think of any other issue to talk about, he talks about the election instead of the weather, sports, popular culture, or the like the way normal human beings do.

    It was after all the crowning achievement of his life (and there haven’t even been many of the non-crowning variety) AND IT WAS ENTIRELY LEGITIMATE, NOT RUSSIAN, DUE TO RUSSIA, OK? Fake news argle blargle!!!!!!11!

  75. 75.

    Jeffro

    Btw did several of us here call it or did we call it: Trumpov’s going to keep trying to stage these campaign style rallies right up until (and probably after, god help us) he’s pulled out of the Oval Office physically. I hope they pull hard, too – that flabby son of a gun will split apart like warm taffy.

  78. 78.

    cosima

    @Baud: Like the Winter Palace in Russia? That must be the Russian code name, and he’s forgotten he’s supposed to keep that bit of info on the DL.

  79. 79.

    Baud

    @Yarrow:

    Not sure he’s going to have that big a crowd this time. We’ll see.

    It will be interesting to see how the crowd compares. Although I’d imagine that central Florida is a hot bed of Trumps fans.

  83. 83.

    Jeffro

    @chopper:

    this guy’s gonna spend every single weekend of his presidency on vacay.

    I hate the way those people think they can slack off, collect a government paycheck, and still intrude into everyday Ammuricans’ lives with their dictates and think-they-know-better attitudes.

    Those people. You know…ones of an orange persuasion?

  85. 85.

    Yarrow

    @Baud: I imagine it is too. But he’s lost a bit of his cachet. He’s had a lot of problems so far in his presidency and the Russian thing is going to bother some of his older voters. They’re old enough to remember the Cold War very well.

  86. 86.

    efgoldman

    @Baud:

    And how do you have a rally at an airport? How does that even work, unless they mean an airport hotel?

    Logistically it’s not that hard. Fence off a section wayyy out over there……

  90. 90.

    Jeffro

    @debbie: @Yarrow:

    Yes indeed, legal. I wonder what Americans would think to hear that he’s already running/grifting for 2020, yet can’t seem to find time to manage a fucking thing back at the non-winter-White House.

  91. 91.

    D58826

    @Yarrow: Yes they did but I think that was the name the press corp gave it. And it had a geographic link where as Winter WH sounds more like this is where he plans on spending the winter.

  92. 92.

    cosima

    @Yarrow: I cannot remember — I seem to have blocked out the majority of that time of my life (may have been due to university alcohol/etc shenanigans). However, I’ve been to both the Winter & Summer Palaces in Russia, so I definitely remember those. There was no possibility of alcohol shenanigans on that trip.

    Seriously, though, the ‘Winter Palace’ thing — completely tacky, or Russian nickname for it, or both. The idiot probably saw it on some Russian espionage communique and thought ‘ooh, I love that! I’ll use it!’

  96. 96.

    Yarrow

    @D58826: I think Trump thinks he’s the next Reagan. Trump is an 80’s guy and Reagan was president in the 80’s. Reagan was popular and Trump wants to be popular. Reagan’s ranch was dubbed the “Western White House” and it probably doesn’t matter to Trump who gave it that name. Trump needs some other White House to be on a par with Reagan–so he created one. Remember he was going to meet with Putin at Reykjavik, a la Reagan and Gorbachev.

    I really think he thinks if he just mimics the actions of Reagan it’ll all fall in line. So far he’s skipping ahead a lot and going straight to the illegal activities.

  101. 101.

    Roger Moore

    @Jeffro:

    Whoa – IC says “[Trump] will die in jail” for what he’s done by colluding with Russian intelligence

    Fat chance. My guess is he disappears to the dacha next to Yanukovych’s the moment things start looking bad for him.

  102. 102.

    hilts

    @debbie:

    I almost drove off the road listening to Trump’s response in real time.

    If Jon Stewart were still on the air, he would do an epic spit take in reaction to this idiotic response from Trump.

  103. 103.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Mnemosyne:

    Not for another month, thank goodness.

    Ah. From something you wrote in an earlier thread, I thought you were already packing and worrying about the number of items on your list.

  104. 104.

    Aleta

    We’re paying for all the fucking rubble made by a guy and his wife who haven’t paid taxes in 20 years.

  107. 107.

    D58826

    @Yarrow: Wonder who will get the order to bake the cake for the Iranians? And who will he get to play the hostages? It’s not easy being POTUS

  108. 108.

    hovercraft

    @Aleta:
    Yes he is, he’s the president so they are his transportation, and they can be in the background. Just not on bases or government property.

  109. 109.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Yarrow:

    Didn’t they call Reagan’s ranch the “Western White House”? Seem to remember something like that.

    Trying to remember what they called Shrub’s place in Crawford.

  110. 110.

    Yarrow

    @Roger Moore: He may, but will he take all his family with him? He’ll be lost without Ivanka and I don’t think she and Jared and the kids will move to Russia.

    Whenever Trump goes down I hope he takes his entire family with him. Well, the three kids he had with Ivanka at least. Jury’s out on Tiffany and Barron is a minor so I hope he gets left alone.

  117. 117.

    Yarrow

    @D58826: It isn’t easy being POTUS. I think Trump is just going for superficial similarities. Reagan was a movie star. Trump’s a TV star. That kind of thing.

  118. 118.

    joel hanes

    THIS IS ALL ON YOU.

    I’m working on a printed postcard.

    [Some stupid trumpism.]
    Below that:
    You supported this.
    You endorsed this.
    YOU OWN THIS.

    with the idea of sending one per day to maybe 20 different prominent Rs who should be starting to feel distinctly uneasy about the monster they helped create.

  119. 119.

    Yarrow

    @hilts: He sure is. But Trump doesn’t know that, or at least won’t admit it to himself. And he’s all about appearances, so if superficially they’re similar it’s all good.

  121. 121.

    hilts

    @Yarrow:

    To paraphrase J. B. S. Haldane, Trump is not only dumber than we imagined, he’s dumber than we can imagine (and that is one incredibly dumb fuck)

  122. 122.

    Aleta

    @Jeffro: Trump’s brave little puppet threatens the IC:

    “We have to find the people that are working against this administration and they need to be purged from this (the intelligence) community,” the Iowa Republican (Steve King) told CNN’s Alisyn Camerota on “New Day.”
    “We need to find out who the leaking moles are who are violating federal law because we can’t function from a national security standpoint if we have that spillage coming out of the community,” he added.

  125. 125.

    Patricia Kayden

    Why is this President holding rallies? He has already won. Everything Trump does/says is odd.

  128. 128.

    The Dangerman

    Inside of 30 days. 30 days! I heard someplace on the TV someone pining for a President Pence. 30 fucking days…

    …and there hasn’t even been a serious crisis yet; I figured Trump would be toast by the time 2020 (Baud!) came around but I didn’t see this happening in 30 days. Makes you wonder about Dark State and how much Trump scares the shit out of them.

  129. 129.

    seaboogie

    @Yarrow: I think it’s easier to control security at an airport, and it seems that I saw that the rally was to be held in a hangar. As for protesters, I assume they’ll be checking for signs, so message t-shirts under other shirts than can be stripped off might be the way to go at this rally.

    ETA: Should read all comments before adding mine own.

  130. 130.

    Mnemosyne

    @debbie:

    Yup, but not as excited as I am. I am a giant nerd.

    I was able to get reservations for Cinderella’s Table for lunch, which is crazy expensive but I think is going to be SO worth it for the pictures alone.

  134. 134.

    hovercraft

    @hilts:
    Since every other word out of his mouth is a lie, of course he’s a bigger liar. Reagan was an ideologue, he believed in “conservatism”, it was bullshit, as Poppy said voodoo economics, but he was dumb enough to believe in it. This asshole believes in nothing but his own greatness, it’s just as delusional as voodoo economics, but other than that he will say and do anything.

  135. 135.

    Yarrow

    @Aleta: People like Steve King are going to regret not calling for proper investigations. From John Schindler’s latest article:

    Republicans should be advised to put country over party right now and pursue rigorous inquiries into the full extent of Trump’s Moscow links and their impact on the election—and the new administration. Washington is at the precipice of a scandal unlike anything seen since Watergate. Indeed, KremlinGate promises to be much seedier and more troubling than anything proffered by President Nixon.

    Here the inevitable comparisons to Watergate fall short. Tricky Dick committed domestic crimes, and paid the price for them, but Nixon was in no way beholden to a foreign power—much less one which has several thousand nuclear weapons pointed at the United States. Neither did Nixon collude with that foreign power’s spies to arrange his own election to the presidency.

    We are now discussing things worse than mere impeachment. If members of Trump’s team colluded with Russian intelligence, the Espionage Act comes into play, and we’ve entered uncharted waters, presidentially speaking.

    Trump is going to take Republicans down with him. How many remains to be seen. But the longer they drag their feet the more will be sucked into the mess.

  136. 136.

    Mnemosyne

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    I am already packing and worrying about the items on my list. Because I am that crazy.

    (Also, my ADHD has those accompanying memory issues, so thinking about that list a month ahead of time is a good idea for my brain.)

  137. 137.

    Roger Moore

    @Yarrow:
    I think he’s wrong about Nixon, because Watergate wasn’t the worst of his crimes. Sabotaging the peace negotiations to help him win the 1968 election was in the same general class of wrongdoing as Trump’s colluding with Putin. Possibly worse, since we were in an actual shooting war police action with North Vietnam at the time.

  138. 138.

    Yarrow

    @Mnemosyne: OT – You’re a movie person, right? Have you seen “The Heiress” with Olivia de Havilland? It was on TCM on Sunday and I got sucked into it. It was amazingly good. She was excellent in it. I assume she or the movie somehow won an Oscar since it’s part of their 31 Days of Oscar films. I’ve been wondering if you studied it at all. I didn’t expect to watch much of it but couldn’t seem to stop watching it, it was just that good.

  140. 140.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @debbie:
    His handlers are fine with this. Trump just told Jews that the American people are behind him in giving no fucks about threats against them, with an implication that the Jewish Problem will soon be fixed. Bannon is laughing as he thinks about how that answer angers and scares Jews.

    @hilts:
    If Stewart were on the air, I give 50/50 he’d work in how Obama was worse. He got rather deranged about that.

  141. 141.

    Mnemosyne

    @Yarrow:

    I am embarrassed to admit that it’s one of those classic movies that I’ve never seen. I bet it would be a good double feature with Now, Voyager, which has a similar family dynamic but a happier ending.

  142. 142.

    dm

    @Yarrow:

    We are now discussing things worse than mere impeachment. If members of Trump’s team colluded with Russian intelligence, the Espionage Act comes into play, and we’ve entered uncharted waters, presidentially speaking.

    That’s “through the map and off the looking-glass”, isn’t it?

    Dan Rather, Angus King, and Robby Mook muse about Kremlingate and Watergate. King is on the Senate Intelligence Committee, and it sounds like he’s been hearing some of the same things Schindler has.

  143. 143.

    scav

    Quick, somebody code a quick holodeck program of eternally looping campaigning and maybe we can trap him in it for the next however many years. Everybody wins.

  144. 144.

    hilts

    @hovercraft:

    The fact that Trump believes in absolutely nothing but his own greatness is what’s keeping me up at night. On top of that, the fact that’s he’s clearly suffering from some mental disorder is deeply troubling.

    We need to hang on for 2 more years and hopefully the Dems can win back the Senate and then be able to push back harder against this ratfucking bastard.

  145. 145.

    hovercraft

    @Aleta:

    “We have to find the people that are working against this administration and they need to be purged from this (the intelligence) community,”

    At the at rate the leaks are occurring, I’d say there are lots of people leaking, he pissed off a huge swath of the community. That old saw, “don’t pick a fight with people who buy ink by the barrel” is even more true with the IC. They can and will bury you, and unlike with some people who piss them off, they don’t even need to make shit up.

  146. 146.

    Yarrow

    @Mnemosyne: Oh, it was really good! If you get a chance to see it you might enjoy it. I read a few comments on IMDB on it and people were talking about the innovative direction of the film and so forth. I’m not familiar with the film you mention but will keep an eye out for it.

  149. 149.

    Yarrow

    @dm: Yep. We’re really in uncharted territory. I don’t know how this is going to go. I don’t think well for Trump.

  152. 152.

    hovercraft

    @Frankensteinbeck:
    That is the problem with idealists, they want their politicians to be their heroes. That is what destroyed the sane republican party, their base was taken over by purist idealists who came to view compromise as betrayal, they lost sight of the fact that in a non dictatorship no one gets everything they want, we must all compromise. Jon Stewart was strange in that his obsession ever since that Crossfire intervention of his, his ideal was the need for compromise, that became the be all and end all of all his commentary.

  153. 153.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Yarrow:

    We’re really in uncharted territory.

    Just want to thank and commend you for using the correct adjective. I am sick unto death of TV pundits saying we’re in “unchartered” territory.

  155. 155.

    Calouste

    @Aleta: I guess we’ll start hearing some IC leaks about Steve King soon as well. The TrumpOP declared war on the IC, and they are so stupid to think the IC won’t fight back.

  157. 157.

    amk

    what is the difference between the north korean guy and trump?

    one is a mentally deranged rageholic and the other is the north korean guy.

  158. 158.

    Mike J

    WA Attorney General ‏@AGOWA 30 minutes ago
    Tomorrow we’ll be defending Seattle’s right to tax ammunition before the WA Supreme Court:

  159. 159.

    danielx

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    For reporters it was something along the lines of that Texas flea-pit. Be it noted that W couldn’t get rid of the place fast enough once he left office – didn’t need that whole brush-cutting-man-of-the-west persona any more, y’know.

  160. 160.

    Roger Moore

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:
    My point still stands: Nixon collaborated against the interests of the country with an active enemy to help win the 1968 election. How is Trump worse than that, other than his incompetence now that he’s in office?

  161. 161.

    dogwood

    Trump doesn’t really have a home or a family in any normal sense, does he? Trump Tower and Mar-a-Lago aren’t homes or retreats; they’re business sites. The Reagans had the ranch long before they went to Washington. W had enough money to buy a big chunk of land in the middle of nowhere and build a private retreat. Reagan had plenty of nice photo ops riding a horse and looking manly in Ca., and W had his brush cutting/biking riding schtick. But most of the time they were on these ranches they were out of sight. Hell, Obama was just as slick with the body surfing/basketball photos. That’s part of the theater of politics; creating an image. Until now, presidents seemed to understand the difference between governing and imaging. I might not have approved of how many of them governed, but they all pretty much gave it a serious go, and showed some respect for the gravity and responsibility of the office. Trump only understands and cares about the insignificant celebrity aspect of the job, so of course he thinks he’s awesome because he thinks he’s the world’s #1celebrity. But he can’t even do that with any competence. He’s not in Obama’s or Reagan’s league when it comes to being photo/telegenic. His garish residences don’t compare favorably to that Crawford home which really was built in harmony with the landscape. He’s a loser at every level.

  162. 162.

    efgoldman

    @Roger Moore:

    I think he’s wrong about Nixon, because Watergate wasn’t the worst of his crimes.

    Apples and kumquats. The question isn’t what Tricksie Dicksie Nixie did, but what he was charged with and would have been impeached for.
    My memory is hazy, but I think Congressman Father Bob Drinan tried to get some kind of charge concerning Vietnam included, but the committee wouldn’t entertain it.

  165. 165.

    dm

    @Roger Moore: Wasn’t it actually that Nixon collaborated with our ally (South Vietnam), telling them if they dragged their feet on the negotiations, he’d help them get a better deal?

    My memory is even hazier, but I think the Vietnam-clause Drinan wanted to bring into the impeachment resolution was the “secret” bombing of Cambodia — extending the war without anything like Congressional approval. (Wikipedia backs me up on that — except Drinan’s impeachment resolution was separate from Watergate.)

  168. 168.

    Yarrow

    @danielx: The Bushes still own the ranch in Crawford. It was profiled in Architectural Digest in 2014. The family spent this past Christmas there.

    I’m not sure where the rumor that the Bushes sold the ranch got started but it’s not true.

  172. 172.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    And IIRC, Jimmy Carter’s place in Plains, GA, was “the Southern White House.”

    I don’t mind directionals, but “Winter White House” does sound Romanovian.

  173. 173.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    HAARP (High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program) is a little-known, yet critically important U.S. military defense project which has generated quite a bit of controversy over its alleged weather control capabilities and much more.

    Though denied by HAARP project officials, some respected researchers allege that secret electromagnetic warfare capabilities of the project are designed to forward the US military’s stated goal of achieving full-spectrum dominance by the year 2020.

    Others go so far as to claim that HAARP can and has been used for weather control, to cause earthquakes and tsunamis, to disrupt global communications systems, and more.

  175. 175.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    Katy Tur @KatyTurNBC

    Trump asked about anti Semitism and racism on the rise in the US. Answers by talking about his electoral win.

    I saw a clip of this – Netanyahu was treating/handling Trump like a special needs adolescent.

  180. 180.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    @Aleta:

    Russian spy ship found yesterday is now off the coast of Connecticut.

    Oddly enough, Alan Arkin is the captain.

  181. 181.

    zhena gogolia

    Okay, everybody has to go watch The Heiress stat! Great performances by Olivia de Havilland, Montgomery Clift, Miriam Hopkins, and Ralph Richardson! Great direction by Wyler! Great music by Copland! Great writing by a couple whose names I can’t remember, based on Henry James.

  183. 183.

    hovercraft

    @Mike in NC:
    Perhaps some enterprising Floridians could arrange for him to encounter one of those free range pythons that are taking over the state. No one could ever trace where it came from or how it got into his bedroom. If by some chance you are caught, the GoFundMe campaign might break the internet.

  184. 184.

    amk

    “So I’m looking at two states and one state,” said Mr Trump. “And I like the one that both parties like. I’m very happy with the one that both parties like.

    “I can live with either one. I thought for a while that two states looked like it may be the easier of the two.

    “To be honest, if Bibi [Mr Netanyahu] and the Palestinians, if Israel and the Palestinians are happy – I’m happy with the one they like the best.”

    wtf does this word salad even mean?

  188. 188.

    Mnemosyne

    @Shana:

    The poor kids got stuck with a truly shitty mother, so I’m limited in what I can do for them. But I’m doing my best from 2,000+
    miles away.

    (And the employee discounts REALLY help bring the cost down.)

  189. 189.

    hovercraft

    @hilts:
    So true, everything is personal with him and his reaction is always an emotional one and that makes him unpredictable.
    As long as we keep our eye on the prize and do the work necessary we will take back at least one house in 2018. The republicans are not helping themselves by standing with him on all this shit.

  190. 190.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @zhena gogolia:

    Now Voyager will always be a big favourite, if for no other reason than that incredibly sexy scene where Paul Henreid lights the two cigarettes.

  191. 191.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    Samantha Bee’s show should be awesome tonight

    10:30 PM TBS

    also too, this season’s installments of “It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia” and “Man Seeking Woman” (Wednesdays on FXX) have been riotously funny.

  192. 192.

    Mnemosyne

    @zhena gogolia:

    Now, Voyager is one of those movies that was really handicapped by the Production Code. G finds it creepy, like, Wait, so they’re going to have an affair behind his sickly wife’s back and wait for her to die? Ew!

  193. 193.

    zhena gogolia

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    It happens at least three times over the course of the film! I love it. I keep trying to find the cartoon I remember from my childhood, where a wolf trying to seduce a beautiful woman fills his entire mouth with cigarettes.

  195. 195.

    hilts

    @dogwood:

    Trump is a tone deaf, brain dead douchebag. I never imagined that I’d ever see someone so fucking dumb and clueless elected as President. Each successive photo op that takes place is more cringeworthy than the previous one because of Trump’s complete lack of self-awareness. His mental and emotional growth somehow halted completely when he reached the age of 6 or 7. It’s mind boggling to watch someone so inept and self-centered navigate his way through this job. He’s either incapable or unwilling to learn from his mistakes.

  197. 197.

    Woodrowfan

    @zhena gogolia: I’m a bit claustrophobic and the last time I had an MRI the tech told me what was about to happen and how long it’d take for each part. I found that helped a LOT. (Ok, now there will be some loud clicking for about 30 seconds. OK, now there will be a clanging noise for about 60 seconds.)

  198. 198.

    zhena gogolia

    I have to say, seeing that portrait of Andrew Jackson hanging in the Oval Office has made me more nauseated than a lot of the nauseating stuff happening.

  202. 202.

    Bonnie

    They should take names and SSNs so that the tax dollars expended for this “campaigning” are taken out of all attendees’ taxes not mine.

  204. 204.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @hilts:

    I never imagined that I’d ever see someone so fucking dumb and clueless elected as President.

    Perhaps it will make sense if you accept that at least half the white electorate are Your Racist Uncle stereotypes. Trump is what the Republican voting base wanted.

  205. 205.

    Mike in DC

    @FlipYrWhig:

    I would have enjoyed having Joy Reid work them over, pointing out how their principled stand fucked over people of color, people dependent upon insurance subsidies, etc.

    Voter enthusiasm is such a bullshit excuse when talking about the consequences of a choice.

  206. 206.

    Corner Stone

    @FlipYrWhig: I don’t think I have ever wanted to jump through the TV and beat the shit out of some smug motherfucker than what just happened.
    Susan Sarandon made as much sense as the “Cash me ousside. How bout dah” teenage girl.
    She needs to be extinguished.

  207. 207.

    D58826

    Listening to Susan Sarandon do her Pontius Pilate routine. It’s not her fault. It all the fault of the people who wanted to mauntain the status quo. It is better to let the public see how bad Trump is so they will join the revolution. Of course the problem is by the time Trump rolls the country back to 1820, the revolution is going to have to make up a lot of ground. She was hung up on the pipeline and the number of pipelines that exist in the country. She asked Chris Hayes if he cared about clean water. Now there are a lot of legitimate issues surrounding pipelines/pipeline safety/etc. but how/where does she think the fuel comes from for her private jet?

    She also complained about fracking and Hillary’s position on fracking. Again there are a lot of legitimate issues around fracking but what is the alternative? Sure we can shutdown all of the fracking wells and resume being a net importer of oil from the middle east. That sounds like a great plan.

    If Sarandon and the other guest are examples of the thinking of the Bernie wing of the democratic party and the direction they want to move in, then I guess it’s time to find another party.

    The only thing missing from the interview were the promises for pink unicorns in every drive way.

  208. 208.

    Yarrow

    @zhena gogolia: It really is a great movie! I didn’t know anything about it and ended up rewinding the whole thing on the TV to watch all of it. I got sucked into it about a third of the way through and decided I needed to watch the whole thing. It’s just great. I loved Olivia de Havilland’s transformation.

  209. 209.

    hilts

    @hovercraft:

    All these Republicans in the Senate and House deserve to burn in Hell for supporting a certified lunatic and putting their goddamn party interests ahead of the national interest.

  210. 210.

    Baud

    @Mike in DC:

    pointing out how their principled stand fucked over people of color, people dependent upon insurance subsidies, etc.

    Don’t you care about water?

  211. 211.

    Corner Stone

    “Oh, it’s a waste of time to talk about how people who talked about FUCKING EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO WAS NOT RICH AND WHITE”
    “I mean. why would anyone want to do that at this point?”

  212. 212.

    J R in WV

    @cosima:

    I’ve been to both the Winter & Summer Palaces in Russia, so I definitely remember those. There was no possibility of alcohol shenanigans on that trip.

    Now I have a problem with your reporting integrity. Everything I have ever read about modern Russia tells us that everything in Russia is lubricated by vodka…

    Yet you say “No possibility of alcohol shenanigans…” -very suspicious. Very!

    kidding… must be the skunk chemistry attacking my mind. Maybe that’s why the instructions I saw AFTER I washed two labs told me to wear rubber gloves? ;-)

  217. 217.

    Taylor

    @Mnemosyne: I consider The Heiress to be Olivia DeHavilland’s best film. She is/was a fantastic actor, and I found this much more satisfying than some of her other films like The Snake Pit. Also Ralph Richardson. The two of them are formidable.

    William Wyler has to be the most under-rated of the great American directors.

  218. 218.

    Bostondreams

    OT: So Jeff Loria is selling the Marlins to the Kushner family. And getting appointed ambassador to France.

    They just don’t care at all about even the appearance of this sort of corruption. Ugh.

  221. 221.

    Corner Stone

    @Baud: Park your jacked up 4X4 truck sideways in the middle of a bridge so no one can get past you. That way they all have to burn more fuel waiting.

  222. 222.

    zhena gogolia

    @Bostondreams:

    Did you see Stephen Colbert about the guy who’s going to be ambassador to Austria because he’s obsessed with The Sound of Music? Square biz.

  227. 227.

    Corner Stone

    @zhena gogolia: The problem is that I like most of what Josh Fox is about. But the shit he was saying, the shit that was coming out of his mouth. Made me want to physically damage him. And I do not care for that. But that’s where we are these days.

  228. 228.

    D58826

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Stand corrected. But Susan will live well upwind of the air pollution and I’m sure she will have no problem paying for the bottled water to avoid the lead/mercury/coal waste that will flow into the public water way. This is white privilege in capital letters/bold and 60 point type.

  234. 234.

    FlipYrWhig

    @Mike in DC: Yeah, I don’t have a lot of faith in the idea that an anti-fracking platform was just the killer app to turn all the close states. Seemed to be one of those “all my friends care a lot, ergo everyone cares a lot, it’s an obvious winner!” Tell that to gun safety advocates, buddy.

  235. 235.

    Yarrow

    @Taylor: Yes, Ralph Richardson was certainly formidable. They were both just great. I couldn’t believe I got so sucked into it, but now that everyone else knows all about it and it’s such a classic I guess that kind of explains it. I suppose I should know more about it, but I just didn’t. A gap in my education.
    @zhena gogolia: Ohhh! I didn’t know that! I adore Carol Burnett. Who knows, I may have seen it and didn’t even know what it was the movie was.

  236. 236.

    Gian

    @Baud: It was the Post (cereal money) family estate, donated to the government for use as a “winter white house”
    then the government didn’t want to pay upkeep and gave it back to the family.

    they put it up for sale, and then trump bought the land between the estate and the ocean to destroy the view and the property value and bought it for $5,000,000 eventually.

    upkeep for the government was a million a year. So he really fucked over the Post family

    http://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/a8679174/mar-a-lago-donald-trump-mansion-palm-beach-facts/

  237. 237.

    Baud

    @FlipYrWhig: It’s especially laughable because they successfully got Clinton to oppose the TPP, and all that happened is that they said “she doesn’t mean it” and still didn’t vote for her. Why would fracking have been any different, even if she backed the complete ban?

  240. 240.

    D58826

    @Corner Stone: Saw an interesting poll today. At the moment Trump would lose a 2020 match up with a generic democrat. However he would beat the patron said of the democratic left – Elizabeth Warren.

    Now I’m not knocking Warren but even in blue states most people are not as liberal as the Bernie wing of the party claims.

    And I understand about all the warnings about polls this early, etc etc. but if at this point in the Trump meltdown, Warren loses then the ‘reform wing’ might want to reconsider their level of support

  243. 243.

    Baud

    @Gian:

    then trump bought the land between the estate and the ocean to destroy the view and the property value and bought it for $5,000,000 eventually.

    Trump is scum, but that’s a legitimate tactic in a cutthroat business deal. If the Post property was that vulnerable to devaluation, they should have owned that land.

  244. 244.

    Corner Stone

    @FlipYrWhig:

    Yeah, I don’t have a lot of faith in the idea that an anti-fracking platform was just the killer app to turn all the close states

    I loved it when he live subtweeted Hayes with, “You see where I’m going with this?”
    YA! AND FUCK YOU!

  247. 247.

    joel hanes

    @cynthia ackerman:

    Uh, Cynthia ?

    I just googled, and it looks to me that although W and his family have long since decamped to Dallas, they still own the “ranch” in Crawford, and according to the 2016 Architectural Digest puff-piece, they still sometimes spend some quiet time there.

    I also learned that they sold the pickup truck from the Crawford ranch to some Bush supporter for $300,000.

  250. 250.

    Fair Economist

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    OT: #WASF. Weather Underground has upped their forecast for rain here on Friday, 5″.

    Ooh, that’s going to be fun. “Only” 3″ predicted here behind the Orange Curtain. Hope you’re not in a slide or flood zone.

  251. 251.

    Ruckus

    @Roger Moore:
    I have it on very good authority that it was a fucking war. One way I know this is that they allowed black men to have guns. And ammo. And planes with bigger guns. If it had been a police action, that wouldn’t have happened back then.

  253. 253.

    Yarrow

    @joel hanes: His daughter Jenna (the one on TV) posted pictures of her family with her parents at the ranch over Christmas. The photos have her kids in them so they’re current. I’m not sure why people think they sold the ranch. It’s a weird rumor I see fairly frequently.

  254. 254.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @D58826: Now I’m not knocking Warren but even in blue states most people are not as liberal as the Bernie wing of the party claims.

    as with the fabled “public option” or post-Newtown gun safety measures, when asked in the abstract and in isolation, people say, “oh yeah, I”m all for it”, but they don’t vote on them, especially, in the former case, if they’ve been told it will raise their taxes by four dollars a year.

    A couple of weeks before the election, I can’t remember who tweeted out “Why isn’t Clinton talking more about climate change?” and Matt Yglesias tweeted back “Because she doesn’t want to lose Michigan”. I was surprised, and never saw the data, but even if it’s not a poisonous issue, it clearly isn’t one a lot of people, even people who recycle and watch Nature specials on PBS and worry when they see stuff about melting ice caps, it isn’t one a lot of people vote on.

  255. 255.

    Baud

    @D58826: While we all like it when a Dem takes on Trump, I think the sad reality is that any Dem who is too far out in front in taking on Trump gets tarnished in the eyes of nonpartisans as part of the problem.

  256. 256.

    D58826

    @Corner Stone: Only I’m not sure that the country as a whole is as liberal as the Bernie/Susan side of political world thinks. So developing a political movement based on Susan world might not be a winner.

  257. 257.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @zhena gogolia:

    A good friend of mine is, not the Ambassador but a pretty high-level diplomat in the Canadian Embassy in Vienna. I sent him the news article about the Sound of Mucus guy. Told him to brush up his “Edelweiss” in preparation for the first diplomatic party at which he will almost certainly meet this Captain Von Trapp wannabe.

    (In the same message, I admitted that I know all the songs from Brigadoon and would like to be considered as Ambassador to Scotland.)

  258. 258.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Yarrow: in ’09, IIRC, they bought a house in a fancy neighborhood in TX (Dallas or Houston suburb? I forget) and there was some reporting/blogging assuming that they had sold the animal-free ranch

  260. 260.

    Vhh

    @SiubhanDuinne: Bush Crawford Ranch. He bought it for show, seldom used it and then only for photo ops. Wife loathed it, barren, super hot / humid. I was libing on 25 acres in Australia at the time and cleared far more brush than he ever did.

  261. 261.

    D58826

    According to WSJ, per Maddow, the IC is withholding sensitive intelligence from Trump because they figure it will go from Trump to Putin.

  262. 262.

    Mike in DC

    @D58826:

    I’m going to push back (gently) on this. Warren was the only specific candidate polled. “Generic D” (or R) often tends to poll better at the outset. 22% were undecided, which I think reflects a lack of broader public familiarity such as Clinton had. So I don’t think it says much at this point.

  263. 263.

    Fair Economist

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Similar situation to mine. I’m by a creek, but one supposedly proof against a 100-year flood, and it had a lot of reserve capacity through 97-98, so it’s actually true for once. Enjoy the waterflow! We’ll just have to hope nobody else gets hurt.

  266. 266.

    Fair Economist

    @Mike in DC: Generally, though, leftist Dems do slightly worse that centrist and center-left Dems. Clinton ran well ahead of Feingold in WIsconsin and Teachout in NY-um-19? It’s certainly not impossible to win with a staunch leftist like Warren, but it will be somewhat harder.

  267. 267.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    per wiki:

    Although Harry Truman and John F. Kennedy had spent significant time in Florida, Richard Nixon’s Florida White House was the first that reporters called the “Winter White House”.[10]

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: damn thing didn’t even have a duck

    People are saying Bush is afraid of ducks, many people, top people are always telling me, Mr Literalist, the man is afraid of ducks, like a dog. Sad. Terrible! WEAK!

  268. 268.

    danielx

    @Baud:

    While we all like it when a Dem takes on Trump, I think the sad reality is that any Dem who is too far out in front in taking on Trump gets tarnished in the eyes of nonpartisans as part of the problem.

    Bearing in mind that I am totes supportive of Baud!2020, which nonpartisans would that be, exactly?

    At this point I am underwhelmed with sympathy for the anguished fee-fees of those who are still going on about BOTH SIDES DO IT, I’M A NO LABELS KIND OF PERSON! No. Both sides don’t do it. At this point there are two sides – right and wrong.

    Anybody who gets out in front in taking on Trump isn’t getting tarnished, they’re getting burnished to a highly polished sheen.

  270. 270.

    Ruckus

    @hilts:

    He’s either incapable or unwilling to learn from his mistakes.

    I’m going with incapable. But it’s because he would have to first learn what a mistake was and understand that he can actually make them. So, not gunna happen.

  271. 271.

    Yarrow

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: They bought a house in Dallas because that’s where she wanted to live. They kept the ranch as a weekend/holiday type thing. Lots of rich people have second homes–lake houses, mountain homes and so forth–so it’s not that big a surprise they’d keep it.

    @Vhh: Where was it shown that Laura Bush loathed the ranch?

  274. 274.

    D58826

    @Mike in DC: Oh I agree. It’s just if the Bernie wing is saying that Trump is a disaster, the status quo is a disaster and we need some one like an E. Warren, then they may be in for a world of hurt down the line. Obviously, they could have included Wile E. Coyote and he might have out polled Trump. And by 2020 who knows who will be in the race. I’m just afraid they are wrapping themselves up in the same kind of left leaning information feedback loop that we see on the right with the right wing echo chamber. They seem enchanted by the sound of their own voices and the brilliance of their own ideas. And introspection need not apply.

    Maybe I’m, just being unduly harsh but after listing to Sarandon, she seemed as out of touch as Kellyann, just from the other side of the political spectrum.

  275. 275.

    Ruckus

    @Baud:
    Hard to roll coal, it doesn’t come out of the ground in round form. That’s why it’s called lumps of coal.

  277. 277.

    Mike in DC

    @D58826:
    Actually it wouldn’t shock me if Warren’s numbers were a little bit lower because of withheld support from a few Berniacs . Some of them really resented her for not endorsing him. In a way that makes your point. If Warren isn’t pure enough…ugh!

  279. 279.

    D58826

    @Ruckus: I’m sure Baud will make it a central plank of his 2020 campaign to develop round coal. Just skip right past that clean coal thing. Aim high

  280. 280.

    Baud

    @danielx: I agree with you about those people. But IMHO there remains a lot of entrenched support for the idea that Dems shouldn’t fight but should find a way to get us past the fighting. I’m not in that camp obviously, but after the election, I’m no longer confident of our ability to push back on negative framing.

  282. 282.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: thing is Shrub was terrified of horses (clip)

    In his new autobiography, former Mexican President Vincente Fox notes that President Bush seems to be afraid of horses, once turning down an offer to ride Fox’s horse. “He demurred, backing away from the big palomino. A horse lover can always tell when others don’t share our passion,” Fox said. In fact, Bush’s equestrian incompetence has been observed for years, as Laura Bush jokingly said in 2005:

    George didn’t know much about ranches when we bought the place. Andover and Yale don’t have a real strong ranching program. But I’m proud of George. He’s learned a lot about ranching since that first year when he tried to milk the horse. What’s worse, it was a male horse.

    and Trump is afraid of steps

    HANDY TO KNOW Donald Trump held hands with Theresa May due to his ‘chronic fear of slopes and steps’

    Government sources in Washington DC say the US President suffers from ‘bathmophobia’

  283. 283.

    D58826

    @Mike in DC: Yep. I have no idea where/what the democrats should do to rebuild but there isn’t a silver bullet and if you are going for a 50 state strategy you have to recognize that a candidate who is popular in Mass. isn’t going to be popular in Texas. And I don’t care how often Sarandon and Fox claim otherwise.

  285. 285.

    Baud

    @D58826: Yeah, talk is cheap. People need to start winning elections instead of spending time telling other people how to win elections.

  286. 286.

    D58826

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:

    Bush’s equestrian incompetence has been observed for years, as Laura Bush jokingly said in 2005:

    George didn’t know much about ranches when we bought the place. Andover and Yale don’t have a real strong ranching program. But I’m proud of George. He’s learned a lot about ranching since that first year when he tried to milk the horse. What’s worse, it was a male horse.

    Given all of the boot lickers around any president it’s important to have someone near him who can keep the whole thing in perspective and with a bit of humor thrown in.

  288. 288.

    Ruckus

    @Immanentize:
    I wasn’t being shot at or even in country but I am a Vietnam era vet. It was a fucking war. Take my word for it if you weren’t around then.
    And by the way for those of you wondering about the russian ship off the east coast, I been within less than half a mile of russian warships for hours at a time. It was not unusual for American and russian ships to sail on the same course from about 1/2 to a mile apart for up to several hours. Especially in the North Atlantic if you were a sub chaser. Which I was stationed on.

  289. 289.

    Mike in DC

    @D58826:
    Instead of going from “left” to “moderate”, why not work on better messaging, to make “left” sound/seem “moderate”? That might help. Not letting the media define us as much as we define ourselves is a plus too.

  292. 292.

    Baud

    @danielx: More generic. “Why aren’t you (Dem) meeting this unreasonably high expectation we have imposed on you and only you?” In this particular example we are discussing, it would be “Why can’t you oppose Trump without contributing to the general distrust and dysfunction in Washington?” or something like that.

  294. 294.

    dogwood

    @Vhh:
    W spent tons of time in Crawford. And Laura was fine with it when W was president because it wasn’t the White House which is a horrible place to live in many respects. But once W was out of office she didn’t want to live there permanently.

  297. 297.

    BlueDWarrior

    @Baud: I think for a lot of people like that, they have internalized the Daddy Republucan / Mommy Democrat framing to an unhealthy degree (not to mention the inherent sexism of that frame).

    A Republican can call a Democrat everything up to child molester, but let a Democrat call a Republican a financier’s bootlicker and everyone suddenly has hurt fee fees.

    It infuriates me it does.

  298. 298.

    Mnemosyne

    @D58826:

    However he would beat the patron said of the democratic left – Elizabeth Warren.

    Huh, it’s almost like misogyny is not a figment of women’s imaginations.

    Funny, that.

  300. 300.

    hovercraft

    @hilts:
    Mistakes, what mistakes, he doesn’t make mistakes, what you see as mistakes is merely proof that you have a distorted view of reality. The media keeps telling you lies and you believe them, and your lying eyes and ears, stop doing that and you will behold true greatness. It’s right here all you have to do is follow his tweets and read and watch the only honest media out there, FOX, Brietbart, Infowars, and their brethren. Wake Up America.

  305. 305.

    Mnemosyne

    @clay:

    It was the 11 YO’s request. I think the deposit was close to $300 for three people! But it should be fun.

    We each get a character meal, so that one is hers and mine is the Lilo & Stitch breakfast at the Polynesian. The 16 YO wanted Club Villain, but that turned out to be a holiday season thing, so we’re doing the Mary Poppins breakfast instead.

  309. 309.

    dogwood

    @D58826:
    After a few days in the WH Trump was so impressed that it operated like a 5 star hotel. He loves that. It reminded me of an interview I saw with Laura and Babs. They said the same thing about it being like a 5 star hotel, but also said that that’s the challenge when it comes to feeling at home there because no one actually lives like that.

  311. 311.

    dogwood

    @Steve in the ATL:
    Where else can ex-presidents live but neighborhoods like that? Have you checked out Obama’s new digs? The security details alone limit their choices. The Bushes had to buy 2 adjacent homes to make things work for them, and to limit disruptions for neighbors. And if you’ve ever seen the lovely Obama home in Chicago, you know they will never live there again. It isn’t workable.

  315. 315.

    stinger

    @hilts: It came up the other day in a discussion of Harry Morgan/Col. Potter. He plays *quite* a different character in Clock.

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