“Our” President-Asterisk is losing his tiny mind, and he doesn’t even have Nixon’s excuse of being extremely drunk at the time…
Trump asked about anti Semitism and racism on the rise in the US. Answers by talking about his electoral win.
— Katy Tur (@KatyTurNBC) February 15, 2017
Trump on 2/15/17: “We are very honored by the victory that we had. 306 Electoral College votes.”
— Zeke Miller (@ZekeJMiller) February 15, 2017
this was his answer to “what will you do to stop the increase in anti-Semitism that has followed your election?” https://t.co/5BNR4OYqac
— Eric Reif (@esreif) February 15, 2017
Thank you Mr. President. Your electoral college victory is surely a great comfort to Jewish Community Centers receiving bomb threats. pic.twitter.com/QpUtJeGQBe
— Adam Schiff (@RepAdamSchiff) February 15, 2017
Apart from the absurdity of Trump's constant harping on his (genuinely narrow) Electoral College win,it's a lie that he got 306. It was 304.
— jtlevy (@jtlevy) February 15, 2017
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BACK TO THE DAYS WHEN LIFE WAS FUN!!!
Join me in Florida this Saturday at 5pm for a rally at the Orlando-Melbourne International Airport!
Tickets: https://t.co/9jDy1tYkgE pic.twitter.com/GDhO6GGxwt— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 15, 2017
At the airport, so they can keep protesters away. https://t.co/yCVlda1r43
— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) February 15, 2017
Spicer on POTUS event on Saturday in FL: "It's being run by the campaign"
— Zeke Miller (@ZekeJMiller) February 15, 2017
(But paid for by us taxpayers, of course.)
The Canadians are mocking us, again…
Campaigning was fun, governing is hard. So let's go back to campaigning. https://t.co/I9IxcKfXbv
— Jeet Heer (@HeerJeet) February 15, 2017
THANKS SO MUCH, REPUBLICANS — THIS IS ALL ON YOU.
Baud
Get them to focus on hating Latinos for a little while?
Villago Delenda Est
“People before government”.
Whatever the fuck that means.
How about “people before profits” Donald?
[crickets]
debbie
Adam Schiff deserves an award for his tweet. I almost drove off the road listening to Trump’s response in real time.
Baud
And how do you have a rally at an airport? How does that even work, unless they mean an airport hotel?
Hungry Joe
If you were to ask him about pottery traditions of 18th-century Inuits, he’d tell you how many electoral votes he got. If you were to ask him about comic foils in early Shakespeare, he’d tell you how many electoral votes he got. If you were to ask him about dentition in Australopithecus afarensis, or the topspin generated by Rafael Nadal’s backhand, or … or … or … he’d tell you how many electoral votes he got.
Aleta
I wonder how many portraits of himself he has commissioned and hung in the WH so far.
MJS
In keeping with his man of the people image, Trump has refused to select a March Madness bracket. Shame on ESPN for asking in the first place, but the Twitter explosions as each of his selections lost would have been epic.
debbie
@MJS:
Oh, please. He knows nothing of sports.
Kenneth Kohl
What Hungry Joe @#5 said…
Mnemosyne
@debbie:
He used to be my rep — we moved one city over and ended up in another district. As I’ve been saying, he represents a district that is heavily populated by Armenian immigrants who are skeptical of Russia and strong Democratic voters. Plus there are a fair number of ethnic Armenian Muslims, which means they’re really not on the Trump train.
Baud
@Hungry Joe: Agreed. It’s his version of Norman Coordinate.
Felonius Monk
@debbie:
I think he knows more about sports than he does about governing. After all he destroyed a football league, but hasn’t quite yet destroyed this country.
delk
oy
MJS
@debbie: He knows nothing of anything. That doesn’t seem to stop him at all.
debbie
@Mnemosyne:
He’s had a few interviews on NPR, and he comes across very well.
Corner Stone
@Hungry Joe: TBF, those are actually complex and nuanced topics. Answering why anti-semitism and racist attacks have risen could be directly addressed if he so chose.
Montanareddog
@Hungry Joe: it would not surprise me if his next EO was for the commissioning of a large microwave array to transmit the details of his EC win into deep space. So some sentient fungus in a distant galaxy will be impressed by the size of his victory in Earth year 2525.
p.a.
It’s not true Anarchism, but we’re getting a taste of what a headless executive is like. Heedless too…
Major Major Major Major
@Villago Delenda Est: Governments are people, my friend.
Yarrow
@Baud: Was thinking the same thing. In the airport? How does that work? You can’t get through security without special permission. Outside the airport? I bet all the passengers at that airport will be thrilled by all the extra security and traffic. On the tarmac? How’s security going to work for that? Will the airport have to shut down? I’m sure the main airport for Disneyworld and all other Orlando attractions will looooove having all air traffic halted so the president can hold a rally.
Tickets are available. I’m sure no protesters will want tickets. None at all.
Bobby Thomson
@Baud: I once went to a rally Bubba had at the Bridgeport airport for Bill Curry. Curry went on to lose handily to a crook and repaid the favor by becoming a massive douche.
Corner Stone
Don’t you fucking tell me I don’t like lasagna! I will cut you right the fuck out of my will you pretty boy metrosexual motherfucker! Now shut up and drive this old ass “Buick” back to my place.
Baud
@Bobby Thomson: So how was it done logistically?
Ian G.
@Montanareddog:
Like how Niyazov in Turkmenistan shot his book into space for aliens to read?
I’m wondering when he does other lunatic dictator things, like bestow insane titles upon himself a la Idi Amin. “Donald J. Trump, Conqueror of the Empire of Islam and Lord over the Isles of Manhattan, the Purple Mountains, and the Fruited Plains”
I’m also awaiting him renaming Saturday as Ivankaday.
zhena gogolia
@delk:
How are you?
Feebog
its as if the default answer to every question posed to him is to brag about his 306 electoral votes. Once in a while someone asks a question he has some knowledge about and he will give a simplistic answer, otherwise, a noun, a verb, several adjectives and 306.
Roger Moore
@Baud:
I think it’s the closest thing he can get to polite chitchat. When he can’t think of any other issue to talk about, he talks about the election instead of the weather, sports, popular culture, or the like the way normal human beings do.
delk
@zhena gogolia: I’m good, thanks. Tests were a breeze ( I fell asleep during the MRI ). Just waiting for the results.
Corner Stone
@Baud:
He would show you but the chart is basically unreadable in the interwebs format.
SiubhanDuinne
@debbie:
Me too. I think I might have screamed “YOU IGNORANT EGOCENTRIC RACIST FUCK!!” at the car radio.
hovercraft
Why does everyone insist on harshing his mellow. He won, he’s happy, his fans are happy and the entire world is in awe of him and his accomplishments, why must the stupid media and a the sore losers who voted for Hillary keep being such buzzkills. Liberals are paying people to do this shit to make him look bad, but none of this stuff is true, and if a couple of people have done some bad shit, how is he supposed to stop it, it has nothing to do with him.
debbie
@SiubhanDuinne:
I went with “UNFUCKING BELIEVABLE,” and tried not to take it out on the person in the drive-thru.
Aleta
Huh? (from Hartford Courant) Russian spy ship found yesterday is now off the coast of Connecticut. http://touch.courant.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-92584402/
EBT
@Hungry Joe: And he can’t even get that right.
SiubhanDuinne
@Yarrow:
When is Mnem heading for Mouseworld again? I for one would love her, um, unique take on the airport event ;-)
Baud
@debbie: I find it believable.
Yarrow
@Yarrow: Okay, I had a look. The Orlando-Melbourne International Airport isn’t the main Orlando airport. It does have flights by Delta and American but I guess it’s smaller. So maybe easier to have a rally there? Still, they’ll have to halt flights. Too dangerous while a president is there.
Also, what’s he doing in that area? I checked google maps and it’s almost two hours drive away. What’s he doing up there? A fundraiser?
hilts
Trump has nothing between his ears but hot air. For the past 25 days, he’s demonstrated that he lacks the mental capacity to do this damn job. He needs to get fitted for a straitjacket because he’s batshit crazy.
JPL
@Aleta: It’s not a problem. Candidate Trump wondered what nukes were for, if you can’t use them. You’re in safe little fingers.
zhena gogolia
@delk:
You are stoic to fall asleep during an MRI! I had one on my knee, so head completely out of the machine, and had twelve panic attacks from the noise.
Hoping for good news!
Baud
@Yarrow:
SiubhanDuinne
@MJS:
Will he still do an Easter Egg Roll, though? Will he pardon a turkey?
danielx
I know we are, as the saying goes, living in historic times and all that. After eight years more or less without drama, however, I’ve discovered that I prefer boredom in the historic sense.
I would imagine the Clinton household has stocked up on popcorn and G & T makings.
Baud
This article says the event will be in an airport hanger.
debbie
@Baud:
That must be my problem. I simply cannot believe that a person is so unaware of the inappropriateness of that response. Where are his damn handlers? I can’t believe Bannon would approve of his puppet looking so ridiculous.
JPL
@Baud: Will he have time to play golf? Presidenting is hard work.
Yarrow
@Baud: Thanks. That’s odd. Why’s he going down on Saturday afternoon? Doesn’t he usually go Friday for the weekend?
Baud
@debbie: Your problem is that, unlike me, you are still a good person.
Gin & Tonic
@Aleta: There’s a very significant submarine base and construction facility in the Groton/New London area.
debbie
@Baud:
Nonsense. You’re our next president!
Baud
@debbie: Those two things are not in conflict.
debbie
@Yarrow:
Three day weekend, don’t forget.
SiubhanDuinne
@p.a.:
Oh, if only.
Aleta
@Baud: Do we pay for the trip and the presidential suite at ML or does his campaign.
piratedan
@Aleta: they’re there to collect Tom Brady’s jersey and Robert Kraft’s ring for Putin.
debbie
@Baud:
Touché!
Aleta
@Gin & Tonic:
Baud
@Aleta: Who knows except the Russians?
debbie
On the Mideast: “We’ll make a better deal than people even understand.” Monstrous!
lollipopguild
@Montanareddog: Nasa needs to launch a ship into outer space that looks like trump that also broadcasts a message about his huge electoral victory.
mellowjohn
@debbie: besides, he wouldn’t be able to read or say “Gonzaga” (among others).
randy khan
One does wonder how the tickets will be distributed. Probably not an opportunity for protests, but you never know.
Baud
@Aleta:
Fixed.
Mnemosyne
@Ian G.:
His advisors would never let him do that, because the giant Cat Lady constituency would rebel in numbers never before seen in American history. It would make the Women’s March look like a gathering in the park.
Because, as all right-thinking people know, the proper name for that day is “Caturday.”
Yarrow
@debbie: Oh, yeah. I had forgotten. It’s not a holiday for everyone.
debbie
@Aleta:
Tell us, Donald: Are Russia’s latest activities with the Taliban in Afghanistan of no concern? Why?
Aleta
@Baud: So they are delivering his talking points for Sat?
Mnemosyne
@SiubhanDuinne:
Not for another month, thank goodness. Because Trump blocking me from seeing my nieces AND from Disney World might lead to me being tackled by the Secret Service.
Baud
@Aleta: It’s a day ending in y, so yes.
debbie
@Mnemosyne:
Are the nieces getting excited yet?
Yarrow
@randy khan: I clicked through (shudder). You have to give your email and a phone number, name and state and zip you live in. Two tickets per phone number. But it’s still first come, first served.
From the article Baud linked to, apparently he had an event in this hangar before.
Not sure he’s going to have that big a crowd this time. We’ll see.
The article says no signs, etc. I guess cellphone cameras are okay. Also this:
What a shocker.
Jeffro
@Roger Moore:
It was after all the crowning achievement of his life (and there haven’t even been many of the non-crowning variety) AND IT WAS ENTIRELY LEGITIMATE, NOT RUSSIAN, DUE TO RUSSIA, OK? Fake news argle blargle!!!!!!11!
Aleta
@Baud:
chopper
@Baud:
this guy’s gonna spend every single weekend of his presidency on vacay.
Jeffro
Btw did several of us here call it or did we call it: Trumpov’s going to keep trying to stage these campaign style rallies right up until (and probably after, god help us) he’s pulled out of the Oval Office physically. I hope they pull hard, too – that flabby son of a gun will split apart like warm taffy.
Baud
@chopper: I prefer he work as little as possible.
hovercraft
@Baud: They take over one of the hangers, just like they did back during the campaign.
cosima
@Baud: Like the Winter Palace in Russia? That must be the Russian code name, and he’s forgotten he’s supposed to keep that bit of info on the DL.
Baud
@Yarrow:
It will be interesting to see how the crowd compares. Although I’d imagine that central Florida is a hot bed of Trumps fans.
Bobby Thomson
@Baud: on the ramp. People had to go through metal detectors and flights were cancelled or rescheduled.
Villago Delenda Est
@MJS: A “man of the people” would JUMP at the opportunity to select a March Madness bracket.
Yarrow
@cosima: Didn’t they call Reagan’s ranch the “Western White House”? Seem to remember something like that.
Jeffro
@chopper:
I hate the way those people think they can slack off, collect a government paycheck, and still intrude into everyday Ammuricans’ lives with their dictates and think-they-know-better attitudes.
Those people. You know…ones of an orange persuasion?
Baud
@Bobby Thomson: That sucks for everyone. No one should ever do that.
Yarrow
@Baud: I imagine it is too. But he’s lost a bit of his cachet. He’s had a lot of problems so far in his presidency and the Russian thing is going to bother some of his older voters. They’re old enough to remember the Cold War very well.
efgoldman
@Baud:
Logistically it’s not that hard. Fence off a section wayyy out over there……
debbie
@Yarrow:
That cannot be legal for an in-office president.
Aleta
@chopper: You don’t think selling more club memberships is work?
Yarrow
@debbie: He’s declared for 2020 already and the event will be run by the campaign. So probably legal.
Jeffro
@debbie: @Yarrow:
Yes indeed, legal. I wonder what Americans would think to hear that he’s already running/grifting for 2020, yet can’t seem to find time to manage a fucking thing back at the non-winter-White House.
D58826
@Yarrow: Yes they did but I think that was the name the press corp gave it. And it had a geographic link where as Winter WH sounds more like this is where he plans on spending the winter.
cosima
@Yarrow: I cannot remember — I seem to have blocked out the majority of that time of my life (may have been due to university alcohol/etc shenanigans). However, I’ve been to both the Winter & Summer Palaces in Russia, so I definitely remember those. There was no possibility of alcohol shenanigans on that trip.
Seriously, though, the ‘Winter Palace’ thing — completely tacky, or Russian nickname for it, or both. The idiot probably saw it on some Russian espionage communique and thought ‘ooh, I love that! I’ll use it!’
Aleta
@Yarrow: I wonder if he’s allowed to use Air Force 1 or Marine 1 as the event backdrop.
Roger Moore
@SiubhanDuinne:
Will he last until Easter?
ETA: And whether he pardons Turkey depends on how Erdogan is getting along with Putin.
Jeffro
Whoa – IC says “[Trump] will die in jail” for what he’s done by colluding with Russian intelligence
God doesn’t love me THAT much…wow!
Yarrow
@D58826: I think Trump thinks he’s the next Reagan. Trump is an 80’s guy and Reagan was president in the 80’s. Reagan was popular and Trump wants to be popular. Reagan’s ranch was dubbed the “Western White House” and it probably doesn’t matter to Trump who gave it that name. Trump needs some other White House to be on a par with Reagan–so he created one. Remember he was going to meet with Putin at Reykjavik, a la Reagan and Gorbachev.
I really think he thinks if he just mimics the actions of Reagan it’ll all fall in line. So far he’s skipping ahead a lot and going straight to the illegal activities.
Baud
@Yarrow: Should we warn Grenada?
Yarrow
@Baud: Yes, probably. I hadn’t thought of that!
JPL
@Yarrow: Maybe the british isles, so he can rescue President Obama.
El Caganer
@p.a.: I think of it as “kindergarten fascism.”
Roger Moore
@Jeffro:
Fat chance. My guess is he disappears to the dacha next to Yanukovych’s the moment things start looking bad for him.
hilts
@debbie:
If Jon Stewart were still on the air, he would do an epic spit take in reaction to this idiotic response from Trump.
SiubhanDuinne
@Mnemosyne:
Ah. From something you wrote in an earlier thread, I thought you were already packing and worrying about the number of items on your list.
Aleta
We’re paying for all the fucking rubble made by a guy and his wife who haven’t paid taxes in 20 years.
trollhattan
@Baud:
When the asshole came here he held the rally at a hanger at our main airport. It was hot that day…SAD!
In sports, Carli Hat-Trick Lloyd heads to Man City.
Frank Wilhoit
@Hungry Joe: If no one calls him on 306, the next time it’ll be 309, etc.
D58826
@Yarrow: Wonder who will get the order to bake the cake for the Iranians? And who will he get to play the hostages? It’s not easy being POTUS
hovercraft
@Aleta:
Yes he is, he’s the president so they are his transportation, and they can be in the background. Just not on bases or government property.
SiubhanDuinne
@Yarrow:
Trying to remember what they called Shrub’s place in Crawford.
Yarrow
@Roger Moore: He may, but will he take all his family with him? He’ll be lost without Ivanka and I don’t think she and Jared and the kids will move to Russia.
Whenever Trump goes down I hope he takes his entire family with him. Well, the three kids he had with Ivanka at least. Jury’s out on Tiffany and Barron is a minor so I hope he gets left alone.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@debbie: That’s my CongressCritter.
hilts
@Yarrow: Trump is dumber and more dishonest than Reagan.
efgoldman
@Aleta:
All of (etc….)
SiubhanDuinne
@debbie:
Yeah? SO??
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud:
Have it in a empty aircraft hanger, you have much to learn before your next presidential run Baud.
dm
@Jeffro: I’m amused that that article has almost a million “likes” if its little facebook-like button is to be believed.
Yarrow
@D58826: It isn’t easy being POTUS. I think Trump is just going for superficial similarities. Reagan was a movie star. Trump’s a TV star. That kind of thing.
joel hanes
THIS IS ALL ON YOU.
I’m working on a printed postcard.
[Some stupid trumpism.]
Below that:
You supported this.
You endorsed this.
YOU OWN THIS.
with the idea of sending one per day to maybe 20 different prominent Rs who should be starting to feel distinctly uneasy about the monster they helped create.
Yarrow
@hilts: He sure is. But Trump doesn’t know that, or at least won’t admit it to himself. And he’s all about appearances, so if superficially they’re similar it’s all good.
debbie
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
Wanna trade for Rob Portman?
hilts
@Yarrow:
To paraphrase J. B. S. Haldane, Trump is not only dumber than we imagined, he’s dumber than we can imagine (and that is one incredibly dumb fuck)
Aleta
@Jeffro: Trump’s brave little puppet threatens the IC:
Mike J
@joel hanes: It’s potato stamping time. It’s how the ‘Mats did the cover of Stink.
Teddys Person
@SiubhanDuinne: That campaign prop.
Patricia Kayden
Why is this President holding rallies? He has already won. Everything Trump does/says is odd.
Steve in the ATL
@SiubhanDuinne: this is odd…all your posts are about pie now….
?BillinGlendaleCA
@SiubhanDuinne:
Maybe, assuming he lasts that long.
The Dangerman
Inside of 30 days. 30 days! I heard someplace on the TV someone pining for a President Pence. 30 fucking days…
…and there hasn’t even been a serious crisis yet; I figured Trump would be toast by the time 2020 (Baud!) came around but I didn’t see this happening in 30 days. Makes you wonder about Dark State and how much Trump scares the shit out of them.
seaboogie
@Yarrow: I think it’s easier to control security at an airport, and it seems that I saw that the rally was to be held in a hangar. As for protesters, I assume they’ll be checking for signs, so message t-shirts under other shirts than can be stripped off might be the way to go at this rally.
ETA: Should read all comments before adding mine own.
Mnemosyne
@debbie:
Yup, but not as excited as I am. I am a giant nerd.
I was able to get reservations for Cinderella’s Table for lunch, which is crazy expensive but I think is going to be SO worth it for the pictures alone.
Mike in NC
Maybe all these trips to Mar-a-Lago are necessary to clear brush.
Roger Moore
@Yarrow:
Depends on how thoroughly they’re implicated. They may prefer Russia to Leavenworth.
Teddys Person
@Patricia Kayden: Ducks gotta quack. Grifters gotta grift.
hovercraft
@hilts:
Since every other word out of his mouth is a lie, of course he’s a bigger liar. Reagan was an ideologue, he believed in “conservatism”, it was bullshit, as Poppy said voodoo economics, but he was dumb enough to believe in it. This asshole believes in nothing but his own greatness, it’s just as delusional as voodoo economics, but other than that he will say and do anything.
Yarrow
@Aleta: People like Steve King are going to regret not calling for proper investigations. From John Schindler’s latest article:
Trump is going to take Republicans down with him. How many remains to be seen. But the longer they drag their feet the more will be sucked into the mess.
Mnemosyne
@SiubhanDuinne:
I am already packing and worrying about the items on my list. Because I am that crazy.
(Also, my ADHD has those accompanying memory issues, so thinking about that list a month ahead of time is a good idea for my brain.)
Roger Moore
@Yarrow:
I think he’s wrong about Nixon, because Watergate wasn’t the worst of his crimes. Sabotaging the peace negotiations to help him win the 1968 election was in the same general class of wrongdoing as Trump’s colluding with Putin. Possibly worse, since we were in an actual shooting
warpolice action with North Vietnam at the time.Yarrow
@Mnemosyne: OT – You’re a movie person, right? Have you seen “The Heiress” with Olivia de Havilland? It was on TCM on Sunday and I got sucked into it. It was amazingly good. She was excellent in it. I assume she or the movie somehow won an Oscar since it’s part of their 31 Days of Oscar films. I’ve been wondering if you studied it at all. I didn’t expect to watch much of it but couldn’t seem to stop watching it, it was just that good.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: Bill Clinton got a haircut at LAX and delayed some flights, BOTH SIDES!
Frankensteinbeck
@debbie:
His handlers are fine with this. Trump just told Jews that the American people are behind him in giving no fucks about threats against them, with an implication that the Jewish Problem will soon be fixed. Bannon is laughing as he thinks about how that answer angers and scares Jews.
@hilts:
If Stewart were on the air, I give 50/50 he’d work in how Obama was worse. He got rather deranged about that.
Mnemosyne
@Yarrow:
I am embarrassed to admit that it’s one of those classic movies that I’ve never seen. I bet it would be a good double feature with Now, Voyager, which has a similar family dynamic but a happier ending.
dm
@Yarrow:
That’s “through the map and off the looking-glass”, isn’t it?
Dan Rather, Angus King, and Robby Mook muse about Kremlingate and Watergate. King is on the Senate Intelligence Committee, and it sounds like he’s been hearing some of the same things Schindler has.
scav
Quick, somebody code a quick holodeck program of eternally looping campaigning and maybe we can trap him in it for the next however many years. Everybody wins.
hilts
@hovercraft:
The fact that Trump believes in absolutely nothing but his own greatness is what’s keeping me up at night. On top of that, the fact that’s he’s clearly suffering from some mental disorder is deeply troubling.
We need to hang on for 2 more years and hopefully the Dems can win back the Senate and then be able to push back harder against this ratfucking bastard.
hovercraft
@Aleta:
At the at rate the leaks are occurring, I’d say there are lots of people leaking, he pissed off a huge swath of the community. That old saw, “don’t pick a fight with people who buy ink by the barrel” is even more true with the IC. They can and will bury you, and unlike with some people who piss them off, they don’t even need to make shit up.
Yarrow
@Mnemosyne: Oh, it was really good! If you get a chance to see it you might enjoy it. I read a few comments on IMDB on it and people were talking about the innovative direction of the film and so forth. I’m not familiar with the film you mention but will keep an eye out for it.
Stacy
@SiubhanDuinne: So many F-bombs. so little time.
Jeffro
@Roger Moore: it’s a possibility … there could be quite a few of them fleeing the country at this point just like any other banana republic
Yarrow
@dm: Yep. We’re really in uncharted territory. I don’t know how this is going to go. I don’t think well for Trump.
efgoldman
@hilts:
Nit true. He also has hatred, racism and KFC.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@SiubhanDuinne: Nixon’s place in San Clemente was also called the “Western White House”.
hovercraft
@Frankensteinbeck:
That is the problem with idealists, they want their politicians to be their heroes. That is what destroyed the sane republican party, their base was taken over by purist idealists who came to view compromise as betrayal, they lost sight of the fact that in a non dictatorship no one gets everything they want, we must all compromise. Jon Stewart was strange in that his obsession ever since that Crossfire intervention of his, his ideal was the need for compromise, that became the be all and end all of all his commentary.
SiubhanDuinne
@Yarrow:
Just want to thank and commend you for using the correct adjective. I am sick unto death of TV pundits saying we’re in “unchartered” territory.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@debbie: NO!
Calouste
@Aleta: I guess we’ll start hearing some IC leaks about Steve King soon as well. The TrumpOP declared war on the IC, and they are so stupid to think the IC won’t fight back.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Roger Moore: Korea was a “police action”, Vietnam was just “helping out a friend”.
amk
what is the difference between the north korean guy and trump?
one is a mentally deranged rageholic and the other is the north korean guy.
Mike J
danielx
@SiubhanDuinne:
For reporters it was something along the lines of that Texas flea-pit. Be it noted that W couldn’t get rid of the place fast enough once he left office – didn’t need that whole brush-cutting-man-of-the-west persona any more, y’know.
Roger Moore
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
My point still stands: Nixon collaborated against the interests of the country with an active enemy to help win the 1968 election. How is Trump worse than that, other than his incompetence now that he’s in office?
dogwood
Trump doesn’t really have a home or a family in any normal sense, does he? Trump Tower and Mar-a-Lago aren’t homes or retreats; they’re business sites. The Reagans had the ranch long before they went to Washington. W had enough money to buy a big chunk of land in the middle of nowhere and build a private retreat. Reagan had plenty of nice photo ops riding a horse and looking manly in Ca., and W had his brush cutting/biking riding schtick. But most of the time they were on these ranches they were out of sight. Hell, Obama was just as slick with the body surfing/basketball photos. That’s part of the theater of politics; creating an image. Until now, presidents seemed to understand the difference between governing and imaging. I might not have approved of how many of them governed, but they all pretty much gave it a serious go, and showed some respect for the gravity and responsibility of the office. Trump only understands and cares about the insignificant celebrity aspect of the job, so of course he thinks he’s awesome because he thinks he’s the world’s #1celebrity. But he can’t even do that with any competence. He’s not in Obama’s or Reagan’s league when it comes to being photo/telegenic. His garish residences don’t compare favorably to that Crawford home which really was built in harmony with the landscape. He’s a loser at every level.
efgoldman
@Roger Moore:
Apples and kumquats. The question isn’t what Tricksie Dicksie Nixie did, but what he was charged with and would have been impeached for.
My memory is hazy, but I think Congressman Father Bob Drinan tried to get some kind of charge concerning Vietnam included, but the committee wouldn’t entertain it.
Patricia Kayden
@Aleta: Putin’s Puppet. Make Russia Great Again. Russia First.
amk
@Baud:
DC – wingnutz’ house
NY – wife’s house
FL – wallet house
dm
@Roger Moore: Wasn’t it actually that Nixon collaborated with our ally (South Vietnam), telling them if they dragged their feet on the negotiations, he’d help them get a better deal?
My memory is even hazier, but I think the Vietnam-clause Drinan wanted to bring into the impeachment resolution was the “secret” bombing of Cambodia — extending the war without anything like Congressional approval. (Wikipedia backs me up on that — except Drinan’s impeachment resolution was separate from Watergate.)
?BillinGlendaleCA
OT: #WASF. Weather Underground has upped their forecast for rain here on Friday, 5″.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@debbie: but, but…. he’s in the WWE Hall of Fame!
Yarrow
@danielx: The Bushes still own the ranch in Crawford. It was profiled in Architectural Digest in 2014. The family spent this past Christmas there.
I’m not sure where the rumor that the Bushes sold the ranch got started but it’s not true.
Baud
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Ouch. Is the ark ready?
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Bill Ayers is a menace!
Shana
@Mnemosyne: You are such a great aunt.
SiubhanDuinne
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
And IIRC, Jimmy Carter’s place in Plains, GA, was “the Southern White House.”
I don’t mind directionals, but “Winter White House” does sound Romanovian.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
zhena gogolia
@Yarrow:
William Wyler FTW.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
I saw a clip of this – Netanyahu was treating/handling Trump like a special needs adolescent.
Baud
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: Thank god the Trump administration can’t even find the light switch.
zhena gogolia
@Mnemosyne:
It’s a far better movie than Now Voyager, although I love Now Voyager.
Jacel
@Yarrow: I’ve not seen that movie, but have heard the soundtrack music that was composed by Aaron Copland.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: Had to sell it to get cash for the new car.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@Aleta:
Oddly enough, Alan Arkin is the captain.
zhena gogolia
Okay, everybody has to go watch The Heiress stat! Great performances by Olivia de Havilland, Montgomery Clift, Miriam Hopkins, and Ralph Richardson! Great direction by Wyler! Great music by Copland! Great writing by a couple whose names I can’t remember, based on Henry James.
zhena gogolia
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:
Emergency, emergency, everyone to get from street!
Someone told us about this in the parking lot today. I can’t keep up with the Russian triuki.
hovercraft
@Mike in NC:
Perhaps some enterprising Floridians could arrange for him to encounter one of those free range pythons that are taking over the state. No one could ever trace where it came from or how it got into his bedroom. If by some chance you are caught, the GoFundMe campaign might break the internet.
amk
wtf does this word salad even mean?
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@SiubhanDuinne: Grand Duchess
AnastasiaIvanka.zhena gogolia
@hovercraft:
“The Speckled Band”! Use the ventilation shaft!
Eric S.
@Frank Wilhoit: If, IFF, he makes it 4 years he will be claiming to have won all 880 electoral votes.
Mnemosyne
@Shana:
The poor kids got stuck with a truly shitty mother, so I’m limited in what I can do for them. But I’m doing my best from 2,000+
miles away.
(And the employee discounts REALLY help bring the cost down.)
hovercraft
@hilts:
So true, everything is personal with him and his reaction is always an emotional one and that makes him unpredictable.
As long as we keep our eye on the prize and do the work necessary we will take back at least one house in 2018. The republicans are not helping themselves by standing with him on all this shit.
SiubhanDuinne
@zhena gogolia:
Now Voyager will always be a big favourite, if for no other reason than that incredibly sexy scene where Paul Henreid lights the two cigarettes.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
Samantha Bee’s show should be awesome tonight
10:30 PM TBS
also too, this season’s installments of “It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia” and “Man Seeking Woman” (Wednesdays on FXX) have been riotously funny.
Mnemosyne
@zhena gogolia:
Now, Voyager is one of those movies that was really handicapped by the Production Code. G finds it creepy, like, Wait, so they’re going to have an affair behind his sickly wife’s back and wait for her to die? Ew!
zhena gogolia
@SiubhanDuinne:
It happens at least three times over the course of the film! I love it. I keep trying to find the cartoon I remember from my childhood, where a wolf trying to seduce a beautiful woman fills his entire mouth with cigarettes.
FlipYrWhig
Susan Sarandon and the Elvis Costello of stopping fracking are such smug douchefaces.
hilts
@dogwood:
Trump is a tone deaf, brain dead douchebag. I never imagined that I’d ever see someone so fucking dumb and clueless elected as President. Each successive photo op that takes place is more cringeworthy than the previous one because of Trump’s complete lack of self-awareness. His mental and emotional growth somehow halted completely when he reached the age of 6 or 7. It’s mind boggling to watch someone so inept and self-centered navigate his way through this job. He’s either incapable or unwilling to learn from his mistakes.
Baud
@FlipYrWhig: I was watching part of that too. Chris Hayes almost grew some balls in dealing with them.
Woodrowfan
@zhena gogolia: I’m a bit claustrophobic and the last time I had an MRI the tech told me what was about to happen and how long it’d take for each part. I found that helped a LOT. (Ok, now there will be some loud clicking for about 30 seconds. OK, now there will be a clanging noise for about 60 seconds.)
zhena gogolia
I have to say, seeing that portrait of Andrew Jackson hanging in the Oval Office has made me more nauseated than a lot of the nauseating stuff happening.
SiubhanDuinne
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:
And kind of nice to imagine Eric or Don Jr (or both!) as hemophiliacs.
Heh. And they call us bleeding-heart liberals.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@hilts:
Trump cannot fail, he can only be failed.
zhena gogolia
@Woodrowfan:
Yeah, that didn’t help me a bit!
Bonnie
They should take names and SSNs so that the tax dollars expended for this “campaigning” are taken out of all attendees’ taxes not mine.
Ruckus
@Villago Delenda Est:
I believe that is what is known as blasphemy in his world. Or his tiny gray mass that doesn’t even qualify as a brain.
Frankensteinbeck
@hilts:
Perhaps it will make sense if you accept that at least half the white electorate are Your Racist Uncle stereotypes. Trump is what the Republican voting base wanted.
Mike in DC
@FlipYrWhig:
I would have enjoyed having Joy Reid work them over, pointing out how their principled stand fucked over people of color, people dependent upon insurance subsidies, etc.
Voter enthusiasm is such a bullshit excuse when talking about the consequences of a choice.
Corner Stone
@FlipYrWhig: I don’t think I have ever wanted to jump through the TV and beat the shit out of some smug motherfucker than what just happened.
Susan Sarandon made as much sense as the “Cash me ousside. How bout dah” teenage girl.
She needs to be extinguished.
D58826
Listening to Susan Sarandon do her Pontius Pilate routine. It’s not her fault. It all the fault of the people who wanted to mauntain the status quo. It is better to let the public see how bad Trump is so they will join the revolution. Of course the problem is by the time Trump rolls the country back to 1820, the revolution is going to have to make up a lot of ground. She was hung up on the pipeline and the number of pipelines that exist in the country. She asked Chris Hayes if he cared about clean water. Now there are a lot of legitimate issues surrounding pipelines/pipeline safety/etc. but how/where does she think the fuel comes from for her private jet?
She also complained about fracking and Hillary’s position on fracking. Again there are a lot of legitimate issues around fracking but what is the alternative? Sure we can shutdown all of the fracking wells and resume being a net importer of oil from the middle east. That sounds like a great plan.
If Sarandon and the other guest are examples of the thinking of the Bernie wing of the democratic party and the direction they want to move in, then I guess it’s time to find another party.
The only thing missing from the interview were the promises for pink unicorns in every drive way.
Yarrow
@zhena gogolia: It really is a great movie! I didn’t know anything about it and ended up rewinding the whole thing on the TV to watch all of it. I got sucked into it about a third of the way through and decided I needed to watch the whole thing. It’s just great. I loved Olivia de Havilland’s transformation.
hilts
@hovercraft:
All these Republicans in the Senate and House deserve to burn in Hell for supporting a certified lunatic and putting their goddamn party interests ahead of the national interest.
Baud
@Mike in DC:
Don’t you care about water?
Corner Stone
“Oh, it’s a waste of time to talk about how people who talked about FUCKING EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO WAS NOT RICH AND WHITE”
“I mean. why would anyone want to do that at this point?”
J R in WV
@cosima:
Now I have a problem with your reporting integrity. Everything I have ever read about modern Russia tells us that everything in Russia is lubricated by vodka…
Yet you say “No possibility of alcohol shenanigans…” -very suspicious. Very!
kidding… must be the skunk chemistry attacking my mind. Maybe that’s why the instructions I saw AFTER I washed two labs told me to wear rubber gloves? ;-)
zhena gogolia
@Corner Stone:
She was on with Elvis Costello? WTF?
?BillinGlendaleCA
@D58826: Actually, shutting down fracking will lead to greater reliance on coal. Otherwise you’re on point.
Baud
All of a sudden I feel the desire to roll some coal.
zhena gogolia
@Yarrow:
It’s totally hypnotic. I always think, oh, I can’t watch this again, but it always draws me in completely.
Taylor
@Mnemosyne: I consider The Heiress to be Olivia DeHavilland’s best film. She is/was a fantastic actor, and I found this much more satisfying than some of her other films like The Snake Pit. Also Ralph Richardson. The two of them are formidable.
William Wyler has to be the most under-rated of the great American directors.
Bostondreams
OT: So Jeff Loria is selling the Marlins to the Kushner family. And getting appointed ambassador to France.
They just don’t care at all about even the appearance of this sort of corruption. Ugh.
zhena gogolia
@Taylor:
The way he says, “You embroider neatly!” kills me every time.
zhena gogolia
@Yarrow:
There’s also a great parody by Carol Burnett.
Corner Stone
@Baud: Park your jacked up 4X4 truck sideways in the middle of a bridge so no one can get past you. That way they all have to burn more fuel waiting.
zhena gogolia
@Bostondreams:
Did you see Stephen Colbert about the guy who’s going to be ambassador to Austria because he’s obsessed with The Sound of Music? Square biz.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud:
Roll a joint, you’ll feel better.
dm
Make Trump’s tweets eight again — a browser extension to show Trump’s tweets in a child’s scribble.
FlipYrWhig
@zhena gogolia: No, a filmmaker who looks like Elvis Costello.
Baud
@Corner Stone: Thanks! Now if I can just figure out a way to destroy the watershed while I’m at it.
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Why not both?
Corner Stone
@zhena gogolia: The problem is that I like most of what Josh Fox is about. But the shit he was saying, the shit that was coming out of his mouth. Made me want to physically damage him. And I do not care for that. But that’s where we are these days.
D58826
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Stand corrected. But Susan will live well upwind of the air pollution and I’m sure she will have no problem paying for the bottled water to avoid the lead/mercury/coal waste that will flow into the public water way. This is white privilege in capital letters/bold and 60 point type.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@zhena gogolia: Guess I should have applied, I went on “The Sound of Music” tour in Salzburg. Then I saw the movie for the first time when I got back.
Corner Stone
@Baud: Spray some pesticide tanks into the water off both sides of the bridge while you wait?
zhena gogolia
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
Colbert said something like, “Bannon likes it too. But he roots for the Nazis.”
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@SiubhanDuinne: those two idiots are the prancing dilettantes Grand Duke Dmitri and Prince Felix Yusupov who killed Raputin
Corner Stone
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Not advisable with AG Jeff Confederate Sessions in office.
“Fine with the KKK until he found out they smoked pot.”
FlipYrWhig
@Mike in DC: Yeah, I don’t have a lot of faith in the idea that an anti-fracking platform was just the killer app to turn all the close states. Seemed to be one of those “all my friends care a lot, ergo everyone cares a lot, it’s an obvious winner!” Tell that to gun safety advocates, buddy.
Yarrow
@Taylor: Yes, Ralph Richardson was certainly formidable. They were both just great. I couldn’t believe I got so sucked into it, but now that everyone else knows all about it and it’s such a classic I guess that kind of explains it. I suppose I should know more about it, but I just didn’t. A gap in my education.
@zhena gogolia: Ohhh! I didn’t know that! I adore Carol Burnett. Who knows, I may have seen it and didn’t even know what it was the movie was.
Gian
@Baud: It was the Post (cereal money) family estate, donated to the government for use as a “winter white house”
then the government didn’t want to pay upkeep and gave it back to the family.
they put it up for sale, and then trump bought the land between the estate and the ocean to destroy the view and the property value and bought it for $5,000,000 eventually.
upkeep for the government was a million a year. So he really fucked over the Post family
http://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/a8679174/mar-a-lago-donald-trump-mansion-palm-beach-facts/
Baud
@FlipYrWhig: It’s especially laughable because they successfully got Clinton to oppose the TPP, and all that happened is that they said “she doesn’t mean it” and still didn’t vote for her. Why would fracking have been any different, even if she backed the complete ban?
FlipYrWhig
@Corner Stone: How many pleasant people have you ever met named “Josh”? I don’t think the track record is very good.
cynthia ackerman
@Yarrow:
Not true.
And during his tenure as SCROTUS it was known as the Western White House.
D58826
@Corner Stone: Saw an interesting poll today. At the moment Trump would lose a 2020 match up with a generic democrat. However he would beat the patron said of the democratic left – Elizabeth Warren.
Now I’m not knocking Warren but even in blue states most people are not as liberal as the Bernie wing of the party claims.
And I understand about all the warnings about polls this early, etc etc. but if at this point in the Trump meltdown, Warren loses then the ‘reform wing’ might want to reconsider their level of support
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Gian: And now the government will pay for improvements on the property.
Iowa Old Lady
@D58826: For a smart woman, Susan Sarandon is really stupid.
Baud
@Gian:
Trump is scum, but that’s a legitimate tactic in a cutthroat business deal. If the Post property was that vulnerable to devaluation, they should have owned that land.
Corner Stone
@FlipYrWhig:
I loved it when he live subtweeted Hayes with, “You see where I’m going with this?”
YA! AND FUCK YOU!
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
The People’s Temple at
BernieBroWilmerTown (Secret indoctrination film)D58826
@Iowa Old Lady: She only plays a ‘smart lady’ on TV.
joel hanes
@cynthia ackerman:
Uh, Cynthia ?
I just googled, and it looks to me that although W and his family have long since decamped to Dallas, they still own the “ranch” in Crawford, and according to the 2016 Architectural Digest puff-piece, they still sometimes spend some quiet time there.
I also learned that they sold the pickup truck from the Crawford ranch to some Bush supporter for $300,000.
Yarrow
@cynthia ackerman: Sorry, what is not true?
Corner Stone
@D58826: Not sure what this has to do with my comment, but shine on you crazy diamond!
Fair Economist
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
Ooh, that’s going to be fun. “Only” 3″ predicted here behind the Orange Curtain. Hope you’re not in a slide or flood zone.
Ruckus
@Roger Moore:
I have it on very good authority that it was a fucking war. One way I know this is that they allowed black men to have guns. And ammo. And planes with bigger guns. If it had been a police action, that wouldn’t have happened back then.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Fair Economist: The cave is by the LA River, but pretty high up.
Yarrow
@joel hanes: His daughter Jenna (the one on TV) posted pictures of her family with her parents at the ranch over Christmas. The photos have her kids in them so they’re current. I’m not sure why people think they sold the ranch. It’s a weird rumor I see fairly frequently.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
as with the fabled “public option” or post-Newtown gun safety measures, when asked in the abstract and in isolation, people say, “oh yeah, I”m all for it”, but they don’t vote on them, especially, in the former case, if they’ve been told it will raise their taxes by four dollars a year.
A couple of weeks before the election, I can’t remember who tweeted out “Why isn’t Clinton talking more about climate change?” and Matt Yglesias tweeted back “Because she doesn’t want to lose Michigan”. I was surprised, and never saw the data, but even if it’s not a poisonous issue, it clearly isn’t one a lot of people, even people who recycle and watch Nature specials on PBS and worry when they see stuff about melting ice caps, it isn’t one a lot of people vote on.
Baud
@D58826: While we all like it when a Dem takes on Trump, I think the sad reality is that any Dem who is too far out in front in taking on Trump gets tarnished in the eyes of nonpartisans as part of the problem.
D58826
@Corner Stone: Only I’m not sure that the country as a whole is as liberal as the Bernie/Susan side of political world thinks. So developing a political movement based on Susan world might not be a winner.
SiubhanDuinne
@zhena gogolia:
A good friend of mine is, not the Ambassador but a pretty high-level diplomat in the Canadian Embassy in Vienna. I sent him the news article about the Sound of Mucus guy. Told him to brush up his “Edelweiss” in preparation for the first diplomatic party at which he will almost certainly meet this Captain Von Trapp wannabe.
(In the same message, I admitted that I know all the songs from Brigadoon and would like to be considered as Ambassador to Scotland.)
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Yarrow: in ’09, IIRC, they bought a house in a fancy neighborhood in TX (Dallas or Houston suburb? I forget) and there was some reporting/blogging assuming that they had sold the animal-free ranch
Immanentize
@Ruckus: ask Raven. He knows.
Vhh
@SiubhanDuinne: Bush Crawford Ranch. He bought it for show, seldom used it and then only for photo ops. Wife loathed it, barren, super hot / humid. I was libing on 25 acres in Australia at the time and cleared far more brush than he ever did.
D58826
According to WSJ, per Maddow, the IC is withholding sensitive intelligence from Trump because they figure it will go from Trump to Putin.
Mike in DC
@D58826:
I’m going to push back (gently) on this. Warren was the only specific candidate polled. “Generic D” (or R) often tends to poll better at the outset. 22% were undecided, which I think reflects a lack of broader public familiarity such as Clinton had. So I don’t think it says much at this point.
Fair Economist
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Similar situation to mine. I’m by a creek, but one supposedly proof against a 100-year flood, and it had a lot of reserve capacity through 97-98, so it’s actually true for once. Enjoy the waterflow! We’ll just have to hope nobody else gets hurt.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
damn thing didn’t even have a duck
it was like a rural version of “I Am Legend”
cynthia ackerman
@joel hanes:
I hit the wrong “reply to”. You, amd yarrow, arr correct.
Fair Economist
@Mike in DC: Generally, though, leftist Dems do slightly worse that centrist and center-left Dems. Clinton ran well ahead of Feingold in WIsconsin and Teachout in NY-um-19? It’s certainly not impossible to win with a staunch leftist like Warren, but it will be somewhat harder.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
per wiki:
People are saying Bush is afraid of ducks, many people, top people are always telling me, Mr Literalist, the man is afraid of ducks, like a dog. Sad. Terrible! WEAK!
danielx
@Baud:
Bearing in mind that I am totes supportive of Baud!2020, which nonpartisans would that be, exactly?
At this point I am underwhelmed with sympathy for the anguished fee-fees of those who are still going on about BOTH SIDES DO IT, I’M A NO LABELS KIND OF PERSON! No. Both sides don’t do it. At this point there are two sides – right and wrong.
Anybody who gets out in front in taking on Trump isn’t getting tarnished, they’re getting burnished to a highly polished sheen.
SiubhanDuinne
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:
The only Dmitri I recognize is the False Dmitri.
Ruckus
@hilts:
I’m going with incapable. But it’s because he would have to first learn what a mistake was and understand that he can actually make them. So, not gunna happen.
Yarrow
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: They bought a house in Dallas because that’s where she wanted to live. They kept the ranch as a weekend/holiday type thing. Lots of rich people have second homes–lake houses, mountain homes and so forth–so it’s not that big a surprise they’d keep it.
@Vhh: Where was it shown that Laura Bush loathed the ranch?
SiubhanDuinne
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:
Why a duck?
stinger
@Mnemosyne: Have you seen The Big Clock yet? I think you’d like it.
D58826
@Mike in DC: Oh I agree. It’s just if the Bernie wing is saying that Trump is a disaster, the status quo is a disaster and we need some one like an E. Warren, then they may be in for a world of hurt down the line. Obviously, they could have included Wile E. Coyote and he might have out polled Trump. And by 2020 who knows who will be in the race. I’m just afraid they are wrapping themselves up in the same kind of left leaning information feedback loop that we see on the right with the right wing echo chamber. They seem enchanted by the sound of their own voices and the brilliance of their own ideas. And introspection need not apply.
Maybe I’m, just being unduly harsh but after listing to Sarandon, she seemed as out of touch as Kellyann, just from the other side of the political spectrum.
Ruckus
@Baud:
Hard to roll coal, it doesn’t come out of the ground in round form. That’s why it’s called lumps of coal.
TS
@Fair Economist: Warren might be leftist but she is also a woman – and as we have seen that brings its own issues in the political polls.
Mike in DC
@D58826:
Actually it wouldn’t shock me if Warren’s numbers were a little bit lower because of withheld support from a few Berniacs . Some of them really resented her for not endorsing him. In a way that makes your point. If Warren isn’t pure enough…ugh!
clay
@Mnemosyne: Ooo, nice! We did brunch in the Castle. The food was great, and my girls loved meeting all the princesses.
D58826
@Ruckus: I’m sure Baud will make it a central plank of his 2020 campaign to develop round coal. Just skip right past that clean coal thing. Aim high
Baud
@danielx: I agree with you about those people. But IMHO there remains a lot of entrenched support for the idea that Dems shouldn’t fight but should find a way to get us past the fighting. I’m not in that camp obviously, but after the election, I’m no longer confident of our ability to push back on negative framing.
Aleta
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: Captain Invincible or Get Smart?
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: thing is Shrub was terrified of horses (clip)
and Trump is afraid of steps
D58826
@Mike in DC: Yep. I have no idea where/what the democrats should do to rebuild but there isn’t a silver bullet and if you are going for a 50 state strategy you have to recognize that a candidate who is popular in Mass. isn’t going to be popular in Texas. And I don’t care how often Sarandon and Fox claim otherwise.
danielx
@Baud:
Negative framing of the “why do you hate America” type?
Baud
@D58826: Yeah, talk is cheap. People need to start winning elections instead of spending time telling other people how to win elections.
D58826
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:
Given all of the boot lickers around any president it’s important to have someone near him who can keep the whole thing in perspective and with a bit of humor thrown in.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@Aleta: ☭ яussians are coming
Ruckus
@Immanentize:
I wasn’t being shot at or even in country but I am a Vietnam era vet. It was a fucking war. Take my word for it if you weren’t around then.
And by the way for those of you wondering about the russian ship off the east coast, I been within less than half a mile of russian warships for hours at a time. It was not unusual for American and russian ships to sail on the same course from about 1/2 to a mile apart for up to several hours. Especially in the North Atlantic if you were a sub chaser. Which I was stationed on.
Mike in DC
@D58826:
Instead of going from “left” to “moderate”, why not work on better messaging, to make “left” sound/seem “moderate”? That might help. Not letting the media define us as much as we define ourselves is a plus too.
Aleta
@SiubhanDuinne: It’s deep water, that’s why a duck, and Bush was afraid of horses.
Corner Stone
TBF, Crawford, TX is not exactly a wonderland.
Baud
@danielx: More generic. “Why aren’t you (Dem) meeting this unreasonably high expectation we have imposed on you and only you?” In this particular example we are discussing, it would be “Why can’t you oppose Trump without contributing to the general distrust and dysfunction in Washington?” or something like that.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Geese, now, geese are motherfuckers
dogwood
@Vhh:
W spent tons of time in Crawford. And Laura was fine with it when W was president because it wasn’t the White House which is a horrible place to live in many respects. But once W was out of office she didn’t want to live there permanently.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@SiubhanDuinne: they’re everywhere in texas. (photo) except on his ranch.
Patricia Kayden
@D58826: I’m hoping Trump would have messed up so badly that he has zero chance of cheating out a win in 2020.
BlueDWarrior
@Baud: I think for a lot of people like that, they have internalized the Daddy Republucan / Mommy Democrat framing to an unhealthy degree (not to mention the inherent sexism of that frame).
A Republican can call a Democrat everything up to child molester, but let a Democrat call a Republican a financier’s bootlicker and everyone suddenly has hurt fee fees.
It infuriates me it does.
Mnemosyne
@D58826:
Huh, it’s almost like misogyny is not a figment of women’s imaginations.
Funny, that.
lollipopguild
@SiubhanDuinne: Chico Marx used to ask that very same question.
hovercraft
@hilts:
Mistakes, what mistakes, he doesn’t make mistakes, what you see as mistakes is merely proof that you have a distorted view of reality. The media keeps telling you lies and you believe them, and your lying eyes and ears, stop doing that and you will behold true greatness. It’s right here all you have to do is follow his tweets and read and watch the only honest media out there, FOX, Brietbart, Infowars, and their brethren. Wake Up America.
lollipopguild
@SiubhanDuinne: I know all of the songs from West Side Story so that means I can be our Ambassador to New York City!
Omnes Omnibus
@FlipYrWhig:
Huh?
@FlipYrWhig: You scared me for a minute.
Steve in the ATL
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Dallas. Highland Park, of course.
SiubhanDuinne
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Why is this just now coming out?
Mnemosyne
@clay:
It was the 11 YO’s request. I think the deposit was close to $300 for three people! But it should be fun.
We each get a character meal, so that one is hers and mine is the Lilo & Stitch breakfast at the Polynesian. The 16 YO wanted Club Villain, but that turned out to be a holiday season thing, so we’re doing the Mary Poppins breakfast instead.
Mnemosyne
@stinger:
I’ve seen so many film noirs that I can’t remember. I don’t think so, but it’s on the list.
Omnes Omnibus
@SiubhanDuinne: Well played.
hilts
@hovercraft:
Can the opposition get deep enough under Trump’s thin skin to drive him into a full blown nervous breakdown?
dogwood
@D58826:
After a few days in the WH Trump was so impressed that it operated like a 5 star hotel. He loves that. It reminded me of an interview I saw with Laura and Babs. They said the same thing about it being like a 5 star hotel, but also said that that’s the challenge when it comes to feeling at home there because no one actually lives like that.
hilts
@stinger:
Love that film. Excellent screenplay and great performance from Charles Laughton.
dogwood
@Steve in the ATL:
Where else can ex-presidents live but neighborhoods like that? Have you checked out Obama’s new digs? The security details alone limit their choices. The Bushes had to buy 2 adjacent homes to make things work for them, and to limit disruptions for neighbors. And if you’ve ever seen the lovely Obama home in Chicago, you know they will never live there again. It isn’t workable.
Ksmiami
@hilts: and angrier and more disgusting and and….
Ksmiami
@Steve in the ATL: no preston hollow
Ksmiami
@hilts: I’ll take hanging by the neck till death 1700s style as an adequate punishment
stinger
@hilts: It came up the other day in a discussion of Harry Morgan/Col. Potter. He plays *quite* a different character in Clock.