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As an acquaintance once said about his cat, “Every time she blinks, she opens her eyes to a whole new world.”

Except for the grudges! Those, they can carry around for a lifetime! THANKS, REPUBLICANS!
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Apart from remembering to thank whatever powers that we were not made as morans, what’s on the agenda for the evening?

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  2. 2.

    chopper

    spent the day, among other things, making 6 gallons of homemade chicken stock from stuff outta the freezer.

  3. 3.

    Roger Moore

    As an acquaintance once said about his cat, “Every time she blinks, she opens her eyes to a whole new world.”

    This is not like any cat I’ve ever met. If they once see a prey animal in a location, they’ll always be expecting one to show up there again. They have fantastic memory; they just care about different stuff from humans.

  7. 7.

    japa21

    Bill is what stupid people consider an intelligent and knowledgeable man. He is also what intelligent and knowledgeable people consider an idiot.

  8. 8.

    Gravenstone

    I was a good boy tonight and reined in my urge to destroy. Came out of the store after work and the car next to mine had a giant assed placard on the rear deck – “Stop the sale of baby organs. Defund Planned Parenthood”. The urge to smash windows/slash tires was overwhelming. I’d have even settled for screaming obscenities at the owner, because my angry face was in full effect. I hate living in deepest, reddest Wheezeconsin some days.

  10. 10.

    dmsilev

    @Baud: Can we send Trump and a good-sized swath of his base out there, and we’ll stay here? 1500 years of sunlight in the B ark would be about right.

  11. 11.

    Shana

    @chopper: 6 gallons? How big is your freezer? I usually just save rotisserie chicken carcasses in the freezer and then make about 12 cups of stock in the crock pot. Yow.

  15. 15.

    dmsilev

    @Shana: Back in Nov 2015, the Boston Globe ran a story about Michael Dukakis and how he liked to turn leftover Thanksgiving turkeys into soup, and the story ended with him saying that if people had leftover carcasses, he’d take them. I think they stopped counting after the 20th or so bird turned up on his doorstep. That’s a lot of soup (and he did in fact make that soup; donated it to a local senior center, IIRC).

  16. 16.

    MisterForkbeard

    @Patricia Kayden: I’m going to pretend that there’s some hope that O’Reilly has decided Fox and company set up and is responsible for Trump, and he’s going to slowly start to attack Fox News in order to bring his viewers around with him over time.

    Nah. He’s just going to whine about MSNBC being mean to him again.

  18. 18.

    dmsilev

    @Sherparick:

    Bill O’Reilly is either an idiot or believes those who follow him are idiots.

    As is so often the case, ‘both’ seems like the way to bet here.

  21. 21.

    BC in Illinois

    @chopper:
    Doesn’t BO’R even pretend to be a historian anymore? or even historically literate? or even capable of googling the “History of American Newspapers”? The articile in Wikipedia (from which all knowledge flows) has ten paragraphs on the topic of “Partisan Newspapers” before they get out of the 1700s. Including this gem from the “founders”:

    Noah Webster, strapped for money, accepted an offer in late 1793 from Alexander Hamilton of $1,500 to move to New York City and edit a Federalist newspaper.

    BillO’s not even pretending.

    ETA: Yeah, what Sherpatrick (#17) said.

  22. 22.

    lollipopguild

    Bill works for a “news” network that was designed and built from day 1 to give ailes and murdoch the power to run our country for us and elect whoever they wanted as president. It worked. Bill knows this but he cannot say it out loud.

  24. 24.

    hedgehog the occasional commenter

    mr. h and I are headed to our favorite Italian restaurant for b-day dinner (mine. All the best people were born today, the best most wonderful birthday!)

  30. 30.

    Teddys Person

    Fox News would have been right at home with early-American partisan newspapers. The big difference is that early-American newspapers did not claim to be “fair and balanced.”

  33. 33.

    KG

    @Sherparick: Let’s also not forget that Hamilton also founded the NY Post in 1801 to basically talk shit on Jefferson, Burr, and the rest of the new Democratic-Republicans in office. And how as late as 2015, it still held that grudge:

    We’ll never have Paris here in New York. But we could have . . . if not for Aaron Burr.

    [snip]

    Mangin’s design was better, but Latrobe was furious, and Burr was vengeful. Conveniently, the city’s top (and only) street official was one Joseph Browne, recently appointed through the influence of Burr. Oh, and Browne was Burr’s brother-in-law and willing partner in a lifetime of schemes. By November 1803, after relentless trashing by Browne, Mangin’s “New Map of this City” was the discarded map of the future city.

  34. 34.

    Teddys Person

    An example of the partisan nature of early-American newspapers: the Adams Administration (Federalists) used the Alien and Sedition Acts to jail editors from Democratic-Republican (or Jeffersonian-Republican) newspapers in the late 1790s.

  36. 36.

    efgoldman

    @Patricia Kayden:

    How does Bill O’Really ask that question and not spontaneously combust immediately?

    He knows the tide is going to come in and quench the flames.
    Who knows why?

  38. 38.

    danielx

    Irony died the day Henry Kissinger got the Nobel Peace Prize, but O’Reilly just put a stake through its heart and then pissed on the grave.

  40. 40.

    SFAW

    @Baud:

    NASA found 7 possible Class M planets just in case this whole Trump experiment doesn’t work out.

    According to the news report I heard, they’re about 40 light years away.

    Which equates to approximately …

    … 12 parsecs

    If only Kylo Ren had not killed his father, think of the possibilities

  42. 42.

    efgoldman

    @Baud:

    NASA found 7 possible Class M planets just in case this whole Trump experiment doesn’t work out.

    Yes, and only 40 light years away, too.

  44. 44.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @KG:

    By November 1803, after relentless trashing by Browne, Mangin’s “New Map of this City” was the discarded map of the future city.

    Heckuva job, Brownie.

  47. 47.

    SFAW

    @efgoldman:

    Yes, and only 40 light years away, too.

    Of course, Shitgibbon will tell us that, if HE has anything to do with it, they will be full years, no HEAVY years (with a BMI of 23, just like His Royal Shitgibbonness), that are the BEST years, not like Obama’s DARK years. Pathetic!

  48. 48.

    SFAW

    @Patricia Kayden:

    I know it’s quite shocking but apparently Bill’s historical books aren’t all that accurate.

    Can you PLEASE give us a trigger warning when you’re going to post something as startling/shocking as that?

  49. 49.

    Pogonip

    @Roger Moore: Not to mention hanging around the old spot, meowing for food, a week after you move the food dish. And, as we found out the hard way, never move the litter box,

  50. 50.

    efgoldman

    @Pogonip:

    Not to mention hanging around the old spot, meowing for food, a week after you move the food dish.

    Bill O’ isn’t the sharpest knife in the drawer….

    I still can’t believe that he and Olbermann each worked at Channel 5 in Boston, but not together.

  52. 52.

    TenguPhule

    Trump rolls back transgender bathroom rights and turns out that Mattis is a Guantanamo Bay Supporter.

    The madness will continue.

  61. 61.

    Steve in the ATL

    @West of the Rockies (been a while):

    You’re quite right! The best people, including The Notorious Betty Cracker and my own girlfriend. Happy Birthday!

    Yeah, like a Balloon Juice poster can get a girlfriend. How stupid do you think we are–O’Reilly viewer stupid?

  62. 62.

    danielx

    More confirmation that the US government is presided over by a two year old, as though more was needed.

    The key to keeping Trump’s Twitter habit under control, according to six former campaign officials, is to ensure that his personal media consumption includes a steady stream of praise. And when no such praise was to be found, staff would turn to friendly outlets to drum some up — and make sure it made its way to Trump’s desk.

    “If candidate Trump was upset about unfair coverage, it was productive to show him that he was getting fair coverage from outlets that were persuadable,” said former communications director Sam Nunberg. “The same media that our base digests and prefers is going to be the base for his support. I would assume the president would like to see positive and preferential treatment from those outlets and that would help the operation overall.”

    Similar technique used in managing the toilet training process:

    “You haven’t tweeted anything insulting, insane or inane today! Oh, what a good boy you are! Let’s watch this nice Fox News program, and then we’ll have some ice cream! How about that?”

  63. 63.

    Gvg

    @Pogonip: we have a cat that is ocd. She establishes a habit and never adapts. We fed her on a small sewing table so the older cats couldn’t steal her food as they no longer jumped high. When we dropped treats she comes running sniffs and then runs to the food table. And waits. In 8 years she never learned to eat food somewhere else even when she begged. She also seems to sometimes dimly remember that as a kitten one bedroom was hers even though it’s been my nephews for 7 years. She is afraid of the active boy and runs out alarmed. She is kind of afraid of most things. Just doesn’t like change. A year ago she had a sudden personality change and now likes to cuddle. We are puzzled but happy.

  64. 64.

    efgoldman

    @Renie:

    is it wrong how much I am enjoying reading how Tom Cotton is getting roasted at his Town Hall?

    Unbelievable how Soros was able to hire so many people, get their W4s processed, and pay them in such a short time, isn’t it?
    I knew I should have marched. I could have used the money.

  65. 65.

    Barbara

    @dm: Even better than sharpies, a stash of “replacement” bumper stickers that you would place over top. Maybe one for Tammy Baldwin’s reelection? I bet it would take them days to even notice.

  68. 68.

    schrodingers_cat

    The British charged newspaper editors with sedition during their glorious rule in India, after their show trials would send them to Burma. We know how conservatives love all things British and Tory.
    * Check out the sedition case against Bal Gangadhar Tilak, who was banished to solitary in Burma for daring to say that Swaraj* was his birthright.

    Self rule==independence==freedom

  71. 71.

    Ruckus

    As an acquaintance once said about his cat, “Every time she blinks, she opens her eyes to a whole new world.”

    When I worked in professional sports we had a participant that the general consensus was that every sunrise was a new start. He was a good guy, a good participant, he just seemed like the sun coming up was a reset button. Can’t remember who came up with this but it was pretty universally accepted. His dad had been a major entry into the sport and was a very sharp guy. His son didn’t seem to follow in all of dads footsteps.

  73. 73.

    Barbara

    @Renie: In no particular order the states likely to be hardest hit by ACA shenanigans are AR, KY, ID, FL and WV. Clearly, Cotton deserves to be put on the spot.

  75. 75.

    Goku

    Irony (and hypocrisy) thy name is Billo the Clown. Also pretty sure the Founders would take issue with an American President being compromised by a foreign power and pretty much the entire legislative branch (aside from Democrats) just shrugging their collective shoulders at it. What a POS.
    Edit: weigel’s right. I remember reading on wiki about old newspapers and how partisan they could be. Nothing is new under the sun except of course massive media consolidation.

  76. 76.

    Tazj

    @Renie: Another no here. In fact, after I read your comment I had to take a look myself. A lot of hooting and hollering at that townhall, very enjoyable indeed.

  77. 77.

    sufferinsucctoash

    @Patricia Kayden: Whatta dope. There never was a time when the press wasn’t biased and partisan. If anything it was even more so in Geo. Washington’s time than it is today.

  78. 78.

    TenguPhule

    @Barbara: Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch. The Democrats have tried using carrots for 30 years. Maybe some sharp pointy sticks being jabbed in their eyes should be tried as a change of pace.

  79. 79.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Clicking around the internets cause I don’t want to start my taxes…

    ‏@ ericawerner
    In a front corner at Bill Cassidy’s town hall, a woman in a pink pussycat hat is sitting and knitting another pink pussycat hat

    this one has video

    Kyle GriffinVerified @ kylegriffin1 40m40 minutes ago
    Ark. woman to Tom Cotton: “First of all, I am Mary Story from Fayetteville and I am not a paid protester.”

    this guy is a producer for the Last Word (O’Donnell’s show) and he’s got a lot of stuff up about Cotton’s town hall, should make for a good segment

  81. 81.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    I do believe I am in moderation for quoting a tweet referring to the pink hat that has become the style at this time for wearing to protests

  82. 82.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @raven:

    Our weasel shit motherfuckers in Georgia are hiding.

    My own particular weasel shit motherfucker, Rob Woodall, doesn’t even provide the address of his fucking District Office on his official web page. Just “Lawrenceville, GA” and the ZIP Code*. It’s easy enough to find it if you have even rudimentary Google-fu, but whoever heard of a Member of Congress who concealed even that basic information for mailing/personal visits?

    *(and a phone number)

  85. 85.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Baud: Hayes sometimes makes me feel like David Broder, cause he’s either got Wilmer, Moore or Sarandon on one side, or one of the Virgin Bens or Matt Schlapp on the other. At least he hasn’t, that I’ve seen, had AJ Delgado on to talk over him in a while, or the terrifying Liz Mair.

  86. 86.

    Ruckus

    @SiubhanDuinne:
    40+ yrs ago my congressman was a member of the John Burch Society. I met him in person once and he seemed nice. His secretary in DC was named Trish and she was amazingly helpful.
    How times have changed. Now the fuckheads are hiding from the people who pay them to be those very fuckheads. I sometimes wonder if they can do simple addition.

  87. 87.

    efgoldman

    @Baud:

    Michael Moore is on Chris Hayes again?!

    “America’s professional guest.”
    Grandpa Walnuts wasn’t available. He only does morning showz. He needs his beauty sleep.

  89. 89.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Baud: I wonder if some of those goons aren’t forced on him by management. I joke about Mair, but she is at least interesting, Josh Barro, one of the reason people (Matt Something), even Ramesh Ponuru (sp?), there are conservatives I think would be worth having. From the left, I can only hope he only calls Moore when Heather McGee says she has dinner plans.

  92. 92.

    jl

    @Sherparick: Damn straight. What corresponded to the mass media news back in the Founders’ times would be considered hyper-partisan today. Like having several Fox News Networks, except all of them, from all sides, back then much higher quality (so probably comparison is an implicit smear against the Founders). And that was true, actually, until well into the 20th century, I think.

  93. 93.

    Eric S.

    Arriving late and jumping to the end with an anecdote that immediately jumped to mind. I have a coworker who needs instruction to do stuff she’s done dozens of not 100s of times. We dubbed her as having RAM only memory.

  95. 95.

    tobie

    @Baud: Another regular on Haye’s show is Katrina van den Heuvel. It’s true that he used to have a much more diverse roster of Democrats on his show but the past few months have been terrible. It’s almost as if he he’s trying to have a very narrow demographic appeal.

  97. 97.

    Kay

    Rep. Jason Chaffetz: People at my town hall ‘intended to bully and intimidate’ me @CNNPolitics

    Guffaw. He’s a real treasure, that one.

  100. 100.

    p.a.

    TPM: Republicans Met With Jeers At Town Halls Across Country

    R step 1: cancel meetings, run away
    R step 2: retreat to Washington, compare notes
    R step 3: grab Ryan by throat, scream what are you going to do??!!
    R step 4: ????
    R step 5: lose elections? ?

  104. 104.

    Kay

    @TenguPhule:

    Remember this?

    Ivanka Trump wants to become an ambassador for the fight against climate change, according to reports

    Reports planted by Ivanka Trump. The whole family: awful. It’s just loads of bullshit, day after day. I don’t think any of them have said anything honest in the last 2 years.

  109. 109.

    Kelly

    @Eric S.: I once explained to my cousin that I control my whitewater kayak more with my butt than my paddle and when I’m in the zone I don’t think about what it’s doing. He named that my random ass memory.

  110. 110.

    TenguPhule

    @Kay: A reign of terror at this point actually looks safer and more comforting then having to put up with this continuing festering pile of bullshit from the Republicans.

    And its only been 31 days, FFS.

  113. 113.

    efgoldman

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    I hope y’all saw that the WH has told Kellyanne she can’t go on any TeeVee shows for a while.

    She’s got to have something really juicy on Coral Chancre or some of his crime family, or else she’d be out on her ear.

  117. 117.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    @chopper:

    sn’t billo some sort of super-historian? i mean he’s ghost written so many history books right? he knows all about how the papers were way back then.

    One of Papa Bear’s books proves Patton was assassinated for being to awesome, or something. Billo’s history comes wrapped in tinfoil.

  118. 118.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Kay: Rep. Jason Chaffetz: People at my town hall ‘intended to bully and intimidate’ me @CNNPolitics
    Guffaw. He’s a real treasure, that one.

    Oh my god. Do you think he has any advisors in his office? I have to say, there have been a half dozen or so GOPers who have handled these fairly well– even dumb damn Jim Jordan. Does he have a TeeVee?

  119. 119.

    Steve in the ATL

    @raven: ten years or so, for a kids soccer tournament. Went downtown, shed a tear over the loss of Harry Bissett’s, walked around the North campus, drove up to the Taco Stand for a combo sancho, but did not hit Normaltown or the south side, which I hear has also changed dramatically.

  120. 120.

    El Caganer

    @Kay: I don’t think you’re translating it correctly, Kay. If you run all of their so-called PS statements through the Trumpophonics Translator, they come out the same: “I’m here to get paid.”

  121. 121.

    Steve in the ATL

    @SiubhanDuinne: move a couple of miles west into Fulton County. Our motherfucking shitweasals at least give a street address while voting against all that is good and decent.

  125. 125.

    Steve in the ATL

    @Kay:

    Rep. Jason Chaffetz: People at my town hall ‘intended to bully and intimidate’ me @CNNPolitics

    Good lord. Reminds me of a case I have, where our top sales rep claims she is the victim of harassment and discrimination by…the clerk who makes her copies and faxes contracts. Some people are just awful. And awful stupid, if may use an adjective as an adverb in a folksy, retro style.

  134. 134.

    Iowa Old Lady

    @Kay: The total lack of honesty makes it hard to find a place to stand when you talk to or about them. Anything can be anything. It’s hard to know how to deal with that. If you engage on their terms and argue every lie, they just shift to something else, and yet you can’t let the lie gain currency either.

  137. 137.

    Kay

    Betsy DeVosVerified account‏@BetsyDeVosED 1h1 hour ago
    More
    I consider protecting all students, including #LGBTQ students, not only a key priority for the Department, but for every school in America.

    Like anyone who works in the Trump Administration has any credibility lecturing anyone on treating people decently.

    I refuse to be scolded on bullying by bullies. They can be petty, vindictive assholes. What they can’t be is sanctimonious, scolding petty and vindictive assholes. They all got together and decided Job One was weakening a civil rights protection. Now that it’s done they want the moral high ground too? That isn’t how this works, lady. Embrace the bully role. You earned it.

  139. 139.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Baud:

    after talking for 10 minutes about the importance of activism and running for office, he says he’s done if Ellison doesn’t win.

    OFFS

  143. 143.

    efgoldman

    @Baud:

    But he called Perez “old guard.”. And after talking for 10 minutes about the importance of activism and running for office, he says he’s done if Ellison doesn’t win.

    Fuck him and the putrid, rotting donkey he wrote in on.

    Good thing nobody watches that irrelevant asshole network, except fro some masochistic Baloonies.

  144. 144.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Baud: The Obama Bros had Deray McKesson on their podcast and he talked about the hysterical “sell-out!” critiques he got for endorsing Perez. The Bros work very hard to stay above the ’16 primary fray, but you could all but hear their frustration with the idea that Perez, probably the most liberal member of Obama’s cabinet and (as I’ve always understood) a hero to labor and civil rights was a ‘neoliberal’ because he doesn’t have the blessing of the Blessed One.

    ETA: And as I’ve said here before, there are things about Perez that make me a bit wary, as much as I want to like him

    @efgoldman: he was an emo-prog before “emo” was used as a prefix

  145. 145.

    Kay

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    He told them “they won’t like it” but the “law says the President is exempt from ethics rules”

    That’s really how he sees his role. He’s there to defend Donald Trump from…people in Utah. It’s amazing to watch because he’s so far off any “representative” role it’s like he’s invented a new job for himself. He’s Trump’s advocate, not theirs. Just lost. He needs a one paragraph job description. Sit down and read that thing. “What is MY JOB, I wonder?”

  146. 146.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Steve in the ATL:

    move a couple of miles west into Fulton County.

    Naga happen, at least not for another 14 months. Just re-upped my lease. The very idea of moving makes me fall trembling on the fainting couch and ask for my fan and smelling salts.

    And anyhow, I can think of better reasons than the mere fact of whether or not my Congresscritter shares his* district office address on line.

    *(Because it is always “his.”)

  149. 149.

    Jerzy Russian

    @Kay: Christ, what an asshole. Has anyone asked him what what changed between last fall when he declared that he could not look his 15 year old daughter in the eye if he did not speak out against Trump and now?

  150. 150.

    Steve in the ATL

    @SiubhanDuinne: well, we might get a female here in my district (Tom Price’s old CD–did you know that? You seem to have selective memory loss on that fact!), but it would be either Mrs. Price or Karen motherfuckingshitweasal Handel. So you’re not missing anything over here.

  151. 151.

    Kay

    @Iowa Old Lady:

    Maybe Trump supporters that’s true, but honestly how obvious was it that Ivanaka Trump was creating “Ivanka Trump” with all that bullshit about climate change and women in the workplace? She planted those stories about how she was a moderating influence or whatever. The NYTimes pieces read like she wrote them. It’s product placement.

    ONE DAY after she announced her deep convictions on climate change Trump nominated an industry shill to gut environmental regs. I don’t even mind that she does this. I mind having to pretend that anything she says is real. I refuse to play along. It’s not my job to promote the Trumps.

  152. 152.

    efgoldman

    @Baud:

    I’m going to choose not to care about who the DNC chair is.

    To those who care (not me) it’s the end of the universe as we know it.

  154. 154.

    SFAW

    @efgoldman:

    To those who care (not me) it’s the end of the universe as we know it.

    Especially when DWS emerges as the consensus choice, because Ellison and Perez are deadlocked, and no one will concede.

  156. 156.

    Ruckus

    @Eric S.:
    I know him!
    OK I saw that the person you work with is a woman but we have a guy who has to be shown how to do most everything and he’s worked here for over a decade. He does have a few things that he knows how to do without info, but only because he’s done a particular operation 100s of times. You ask him to do a similar operation on a machine he’s run dozens of times and he just doesn’t get it. And it’s not just me, everyone can show him how to do things and he just doesn’t get it unless you hound him. I can and have dealt with people with learning disabilities, I have a lot of patience but people who don’t know/understand the job/operation and then argue with me when I tell them how something needs to be done just don’t get any slack.

  157. 157.

    Kay

    @Iowa Old Lady:

    Quinnipiac Poll exec Tim Malloy: “President Donald Trump’s popularity is sinking like a rock.”

    Remember when Clinton said he wouldn’t wear well? She was right.

  161. 161.

    momus

    BillO’s analysis is at least consistent with the analytic and critical skills that he has displayed in writing his best-seller books.

  162. 162.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @J R in WV: the eternal Fox News question. I always thought Meghan Kelly’s “Santa Clause is white, and so is Jesus!” was a pandering overstep, then I saw the video. She meant it, and it was important to her to say it.

  164. 164.

    Kay

    @Baud:

    It doesn’t matter that much who runs the DNC :)

    Debbie WS was bad though. She was bad enough to stick out. The thing was, she kept losing. Whatever else you thought about her, liberal, not liberal enough, whatever- she can’t lose that much and that often. Has to get fired for that.

  165. 165.

    Jeffro

    @Jerzy Russian:

    Has anyone asked him what what changed between last fall when he declared that he could not look his 15 year old daughter in the eye if he did not speak out against Trump and now?

    Give him some options. “Rep Chaffetz, is it out-and-out blackmail by the Russians, or just garden-variety Mercer cash that’s turned you into such a Trump whore?”

  166. 166.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Twitter Nixon’s contribution to the “Write a Sad Story Using Only Three Words” thing

    Richard M. Nixon ‏@ dick_nixon 55m55 minutes ago
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    “Marco Antonio Rubio”

  167. 167.

    Baud

    @Kay: It’ll be interesting to see, if we do well in 2018, how much of that is the DNC and how much of that is the grassroots outrage we’ve been seeing.

  168. 168.

    Iowa Old Lady

    @Kay: You’re right that refusing to play along is the best course. You have to kind of detach yourself from the narrative they’re spinning.

    It’s bizarre that he’s so obviously lying–denying stuff that’s on tape, for instance–and yet his supporters say he’s telling it like it is. What could they possibly be reacting to? Maybe the emotional tone and bigotry?

  169. 169.

    Kay

    @Baud:

    I didn’t pay any attention to her Russia warnings. I’ve been listening to Hillary Clinton so long it was like “oh, she has some foreign policy/threat concern again” :)

    I assumed she was RIGHT, it just seemed remote and complicated. Little did I know she meant “Putin’s puppet” in the bluntest and most immediate way possible.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Baud: and how much is Trump fucking up and R’s being afraid to take him on. If I were on twitter my postyourunpopularopinion hashtag would be “George W Bush had more to do with 2006 than Howard Dean”

  172. 172.

    Ruckus

    @Kay:
    You are giving them credit here that they may have said something truthful more that 2 yrs ago. I’d bet the odds of that are about ten times worse than the odds of me winning the powerball. And I don’t play the lottery.

  176. 176.

    J R in WV

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Maybe you could fix that? Don’t mention the many years of Canadian employment!

    But, seriously, you seem like a great congresswoman to me. Witty, smart, widely experienced! Quick with a quip in reply, too.

  178. 178.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Kay:
    @Baud:
    @Steve in the ATL:

    Think what it’s like for every one of us to wake up every morning and know that Donald John Trump is the President of the United States.

    Then imagine what it must be like for Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton….

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    efgoldman

    @Iowa Old Lady:

    denying stuff that’s on tape, for instance–and yet his supporters say he’s telling it like it is. What could they possibly be reacting to?

    As deepest, darkest, racist, Islamophobic, sexist, etc RWNJ flying monkey mouth breathers, they live in Delusia. They wouldn’t know trufax if you wrapped them around a crowbar and slammed it upside the concrete blocks they have for heads.

  180. 180.

    glory b

    @Kay: Good news! Michael Moore was on Chris Hayes “All In” this evening. He said if Kieth Ellison isn’t elected DNC chair, he’s done with the Dems!

    Go team Perez!!

  182. 182.

    J R in WV

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Yeah, I remember that. Amazing stupidity!! Jesus was (if he ever existed at all!) a sephardic Jewish rabbi, and Santa is an imaginary elf, no telling what colors he comes in! Amazing stupids.

  183. 183.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Steve in the ATL:

    I think I saw that Betty Price had declined to run. But it’s a big field.

    For my sins, I got to know Tom and Betty fairly well (socially, not intimately by any means) over the years, going back to when he was a state senator. Betty is Canadian, and graduated from McGill University, and as academic relations officer I dealt with alumni from Canadian universities. As long as the context wasn’t political I found them both affable people, but I wouldn’t vote for either of them for any office.

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    debbie

    These damn Ohio GOPers saying they’re skipping town halls because only Democrats were the Result? Could a human being be any more craven?

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