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Late Night DNC Wrap-Up Open Thread: And Now, Back to Work

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  1. 1.

    Omnes Omnibus

    There are a total of –9– Ellison supporters making all the noise that is interrupting the DNC meeting now that Perez won

    One of them is still in John’s “Mission Accomplished” thread.

  3. 3.

    Lyrebird

    Love This. Buttons and all.

    And although Rep Ellison covered this better than I can, I’ll just say, unless a critic can say something about Perez’ work at Labor, improve on Perez’ work standing up against excessive use of force, or show any knowledge of who Trujillo was, I don’t have time for their beefs.

    LOTS of work to do!

  4. 4.

    mai naem mobile

    I am glad Tom Perez got picked. Nothing wrong with Keith Ellison but I think Perez will be motivated to do a good job at the DNC because he wants to be on the POTUS ticket at some point.

  6. 6.

    debbie

    “I think we should accord (Trump) the same level of courtesy Mitch McConnell accorded to Barack Obama: no courtesy whatsoever.”

    More of this!

  8. 8.

    Mnemosyne

    @mai naem mobile:

    I honestly feel like we got the best of both worlds — we get Perez full-time as the head and Ellison part-time as the deputy chair while keeping his House seat. We have both of them working together as a team to represent the Democratic Party. How the fuck are some morons seeing this as a bad thing?

  10. 10.

    pvmike

    Mnemosyne @8 Well, because they ARE morons. Our side certainly does have a share, much smaller than the other side, but still…

  11. 11.

    Jeffro

    @Mnemosyne: There’s no accounting for morons’ priorities…

    …you’re right, we did get the best of both worlds. Loved Perez’s tweet right back at Trumpov: COMIN’ FOR YA

  12. 12.

    ruemara

    I have half off an album via google play. Should I buy the Hamilton soundtrack?

    @amk: I just read shaun kings twitter feed where some are saying this shows the Dems only pay lip service to diversity. I am coming to detest these folks as much as I do Trump voters.

  13. 13.

    SFAW

    @Mnemosyne:

    How the fuck are some morons seeing this as a bad thing?

    Because if you look at Perez’s name written in just the write way, and you look at it with your special glasses, the words “Goldman Sachs” appear?

    And perhaps Perez once sent e-mail to Hillary. Alert Darrell Arson Trey Gowdy J. Edgar Hoover Pigface Chaffetz a/k/a jasoninthesty !!!

    Also: there’s a “Z” in Perez and a “Z” in Benghaziiiii!!!! Coincidence? I think NOT!

  16. 16.

    SFAW

    @ruemara:

    I just read shaun kings twitter feed where some are saying this shows the Dems only pay lip service to diversity.

    Perez and Ellison are two of the whitest people on Earth, apparently.

  17. 17.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @ruemara:

    I just read shaun kings twitter feed where some are saying this shows the Dems only pay lip service to diversity.

    Three people. Latino, Black Muslim, Gay. None of them a traditional WASP dude. Lip Service is a cool song, but a silly policy.

  20. 20.

    seaboogie

    The Perez/Ellison team feels so encouraging and constructively right-minded. Coming off of DWS, Hillary and Bernie, this feels fresh and energized.

    Also feel like our bench is building and will get deeper: Gillibrand, Franken, Harris as examples. Patty Murray and Elizabeth Warren working in the trenches. The next generation of Dems is rising, and it could be pretty exciting. Plus all the activism arising….I feel better and more optimistic lately. Issa on the ropes and scared for his future calling for an independent investigation of Trump admin and Russia….we just have to keep chipping away at it.

  21. 21.

    Thru the Looking Glass...

    @debbie:

    “I think we should accord (Trump) the same level of courtesy Mitch McConnell accorded to Barack Obama: no courtesy whatsoever.”

    More of this!

    I second!

  22. 22.

    Gelfling 545

    This is definitely the first time I’ve ever given much thought to, much less felt enthusiastic about the DNC chair(s). I think these guys will be great.

  29. 29.

    SFAW

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I think it is possible that he is a real new guy who is working through things.

    He claims to be new, at least as far as commenting here, as I’m sure you saw. But “working through things” is an interesting way of putting it.

    I guess I’m of the opinion that a DNC Chair who is making a big effort to be the “face” of the Party (as new guy seems to want) is spending less time on doing what he should be doing — ensuring there are good candidates for every damn elected office in the country (within reason), making sure the ground game is kick-ass, doing his utmost to ensure voter-registration suppression gets nullified as much as possible, and ensuring that there is someone who shouts to the MSM every time Shitgibbon/Bannonazi commits another crime against America.

    And, no, I don’t expect Perez to do everything himself. You said in the other thread, it’s administrative work; I agree (to a point), but it’s also managerial work, and a good manager can delegate to competent staff, and still keep an eye on things.

  30. 30.

    Gemina13

    I love this. We have a great team at the DNC, activism is on the rise, and the Orange Shitgibbon got smacked on the nose. Full speed ahead.

  31. 31.

    Drunkenhausfrau

    I hope this Dem dream team turns into the worst nightmare for Rethugs. This is a marathon, not a sprint, but 2018 is right around the bend, we need to get moving NOW! and together.

  35. 35.

    efgoldman

    @SFAW:

    it’s also managerial work, and a good manager can delegate to competent staff, and still keep an eye on things.

    That was another good reason for Perez: As labor secretary, clearly he knew how to prioritize, delegate, and administer. That’s why, as a general sort-of-rule, I prefer that kind of background to an elected legislator.
    Also very happy it is his full time job.

  37. 37.

    SFAW

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    And New Guy, while verbose (says the overly-wordy yours truly), has not exhibited what some would call “critical thinking skills.” Most of his “analysis” is superficial at best, and he appears to be drawing incorrect conclusions from available data. [One minor example: he said he’s been reading here for a long time, but also said no one knew who DWS was until the Bernie thing blew up. Yeah, not quite.] I’m complaining here because I really don’t want to get into a back-and-forth with him, because overcoming his vapidity would be pointless/fruitless.

    ETA: Re: you posting in the other thread: Yes, I saw that. You’re a better man than I; I wouldn’t have the patience to try to deal with him.

  38. 38.

    SFAW

    @efgoldman:

    That was another good reason for Perez: As labor secretary, clearly he knew how to prioritize, delegate, and administer. That’s why, as a general sort-of-rule, I prefer that kind of background to an elected legislator.
    Also very happy it is his full time job.

    I completely agree.

  39. 39.

    Chris T.

    @Thru the Looking Glass…:

    Warning: it’s a link to the HuffPo …

    No, it isn’t.

    It’s a link to nowhere.

    (You apparently added the page title, “Buoyed By Anti-Trump Activism, Democrat Wins Delaware Special Election”, to the end of this (Balloon-Juice) page’s URL.)

  41. 41.

    Thru the Looking Glass...

    @Lizzy L: Okay… wasn’t around earlier and didn’t go thru the threads…

    Great news!!! best I’ve felt in weeks… its only a start but a GOOD start…

    What’s good is that the Dem won BIG…

  46. 46.

    tBone

    @Mnemosyne:

    I made the mistake of reading through a FB comments thread about the election where a number of people with incurable butthurt were making grand GBCWDP pronouncements. One of the sensible commenters said something along the lines of “way to focus while Rome is burning” and got this response: “And why did Rome burn? LEADERSHIP THAT WAS CORRUPT AND CORPORATIST.”

    So in conclusion, some morons think the outcome was a bad thing because they’re morons. Fuck ’em; let them go off and have their tantrums while we get shit done.

  48. 48.

    Origuy

    With St. Patrick’s Day approaching, there’s a group organizing Irish music sessions across the USA and Ireland to benefit the ACLU. They have designated Sunday March 5 as the day for this, which is a common day for sessions. The Facebook page lists the ones that have been scheduled.
    Sanctuary Sessions.

  51. 51.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    I was watching a classic episode of Star Trek today, “A Piece of the Action” (photo), and Spock was discussing the importance of logic, practicality, and facts. The bern-outs have none of these qualities. They’re debilitated and damaged, with significant mommy and daddy issues, not to mention marijuana induced paranoia.

    Sad!

  54. 54.

    magurakurin

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: Piece of the Action is my favorite Star Trek. Second is The Way to Eden. Also, too The Enemy Within is the most underrated episode.

    And I think the majority of the “bern-outs” are Russian trolls or libertarian types like Greenwald who are not allies at all.

  56. 56.

    Raven Onthill

    @Mnemosyne: picking the candidate of the faction that has been losing steadily for 35 years. As I said, I hope I’m wrong but, damn, it makes sense to go with the faction that has the popular support.

  60. 60.

    FlipYrWhig

    @Raven Onthill: The faction that lost the primary is the one with popular support? How does that work exactly? And in what way is Team Sanders not the direct lineal descendants of the Eugene McCarthy ’68 campaign, last seen winning elections never and never?

  64. 64.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    @magurakurin:

    “The Way to Eden”: In this episode, the Enterprise is hijacked by a madman-scientist and his fanatical, hippie-like followers who are blindly obsessed in finding a mythical planet of perpetual paradise.

    They don’t call such material classic for nothing. The themes and archetypes never stop repeating.

    Also too, relevant:

    “Patterns of Force” (photo): After returning to the Enterprise, Spock expresses confusion as to how Gill could make such a mistake emulating the Nazis. Kirk explains that the problem was not the Nazis themselves but giving any one individual so much power.

  68. 68.

    Mnemosyne

    @Raven Onthill:

    As I said, I hope I’m wrong but, damn, it makes sense to go with the faction that has the popular support.

    Hillary won the primary by 3 million votes, and the popular vote in the general election by 2.8 million votes.

    They did go with the faction that has the popular support. The Berniebros may be noisier, but there are fewer of them.

    ETA: I am having noun trouble tonight. All should be fixed.

  69. 69.

    efgoldman

    @tBone:

    let them go off and have their tantrums while we get shit done.

    As long as they don’t spend 2019-2020 helping the RWNJs slag whoever our candidate is, they can go off in the corner and suck their thumbs all they want.
    I assume the dear, sweet, clueless asshole Dr Stein is running again, regardless.

    ETA: Yeah, boy, that Julius Caeser was some corporatist. That’s why the Brutusbros offed him.
    And Nero Makes two.

  71. 71.

    ? Martin

    @Mnemosyne: Well, thanks to Trump all the Democrats are just as loud now. It’s notable that most of the town halls are full of people over 40.

  72. 72.

    ruemara

    I just had a Berniebro tell me I was straightsplaining identity politics to him. I am putting that into my record book. A white gay man is offended by my feeling that progressives still fighting the Dem party are prioritizing economics over my issues and feels I’m straightsplaining.

  73. 73.

    opiejeanne

    @ruemara: I had one ask a friend if it meant we wouldn’t rig the next primary when the friend expressed hope and happiness that both Tom & Keith would lead the party.
    I told him I hoped the screen door didn’t hit him as he flounced out.

    Him: Who said anything about leaving? I may vote Green, but that doesn’t mean I won’t fight corporatism”
    Me: That’s the definition of leaving the party. Good for you, spending your vote on only the purest candidates
    Him: That actually isn’t, I’m just independent with a love for the Green Party. Get your facts straight
    Me: oh, so you’re not even a Democrat. Thanks for all of your advice.

    I walked away from the discussion because who can even deal with that kind of nonsense?

  74. 74.

    Zam

    @ruemara:

    I just had a Berniebro tell me I was straightsplaining identity politics to him. I am putting that into my record book. A white gay man is offended by my feeling that progressives still fighting the Dem party are prioritizing economics over my issues and feels I’m straightsplaining

    I had a berniebro tell me I’m racist for not signing on to the Perez is an evil neo-liberal. I’m not white, the bro in question was. It brings me back to the memes these assholes used about MLK and St. Bernie marching with him. They don’t give a shit about people of color except to use them as a club to beat people who don’t follow them without question.

  76. 76.

    opiejeanne

    @Zam: These are the same kind of lefty guys I disliked in college, late 60s, early 70s. Some were a little charismatic and had girls hanging around them but treated them like less than.

  77. 77.

    Zam

    @opiejeanne: Yea I wouldn’t say that much about the bro in question, he is bisexual and I trained him as an organizer, but he has completely disregarded the idea that racism is inherent in our society that needs to be dealt with in a different way than the economic ways his version of progressivism espouses.

  78. 78.

    Ruemara

    @opiejeanne: I just told him I was so offended at him coming at me like that, WOC, who frankly he doesn’t know how I identify, who’s dealt with more than he knows, he can stop commenting on my page right now. I will not play oppression Olympics, like there’s a prize. I feel so mad, I’m going to donate to a voter’s rights group and a trans group. He said no politician had ever done anything on the suppression issue, so I helpfully pointed to Perez’s work in the DOJ & the CBC.

  79. 79.

    Applejinx

    @Raven Onthill: It would have been nice (and encouraging messaging) but we still got a massive upgrade over DWS and Perez and Ellison like each other and hang out together.

    If we gotta have one of the only two parties crushed and turned into rubble + a third party without the ability to enact change, I would prefer that to happen to the Republicans.

  80. 80.

    Emily68

    My only problem with Tom Perez is that, being a boomer and a baseball fan, I keep wanting to call him “Tony Perez”. And the really weird thing about that is Donald Trump is really the guy who’s part of the Big Red Machine now.

    But not to worry. I’ll persist and learn to call him Tom.

    Congrats to him and Ellison, too.

  81. 81.

    John Carter

    Perez/Ellison may turn out to be what is needed. But after what we had to put up with from DWS (and remember who supported her!) even Keith Olbermann’s “Squirrel” would be a vast improvement.

  82. 82.

    SFAW

    @Emily68:

    Donald Trump is really the guy who’s part of the Big Red Machine now.

    Of course, that raises the question re: whether Shitgibbon or Pete Rose is the bigger asshole. Although, in fairness to Rose — whom I pretty much detest — he worked his ass off to become what he was (in baseball terms, that is). The day that Shitgibbon does an honest hour’s worth of work — never mind a day’s worth — is a lo-o-o-o-o-o-ng way off.

    ETA: By the way, “Big Red Machine” is outstanding. Thanks!

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