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You are here: Home / Anderson On Health Insurance / Local variations on what a flat subsidy buys

Local variations on what a flat subsidy buys

by David Anderson|  March 2, 20179:39 am| 12 Comments

This post is in: Anderson On Health Insurance, Election 2018

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The Urban Institute has just released some awesome work. They calculated what the proposed flat, age based subsidy could buy for each year of life. They used the subsidies that Secretary Price proposed in his legislation. The most recent leaked draft bill had higher subsidy levels.

With that proviso, there are wide variations in what a flat, age based subsidy buys. Teenagers could buy a Silver plan with full benefits .Not quite ready for Medicare buyers are looking at a Lead plan with greatly restricted benefits and a $25,000 deductible. We can either reduce the deductible or increase the benefit richness for older buyers due to the extra $1,000 in subsidies in the leaked plan.

There is one very subtle point that Urban illustrates very nicely. A wide age band has significantly disparate impacts. The young people at the bottom of the band get a much better deal than the oldest people in the band. The cost curve always increases with age. So someone with the oldest age in a low subsidy band will have much worse insurance than their best friend who is born six months earlier and thus qualifies as the youngest person in a higher subsidy band.

One of the issues I have with all of the nationalized actuarial value calculators is that they assume national pricing averages. There are massive local variations in pricing. I want to show you an example of a few counties along Route 22 between my house and my in-law’s. There would be a very different lived experience for a 40 year old.

The Pennsylvania counties have a low price plan offered by UPMC. It is a narrow to very narrow network that is priced near Medicare. The West Virginia counties have a Medicaid managed care provider offering Exchange plans (Care Source). They get a fairly low cost Bronze plan that still requires some out of pocket premiums to top up. Going across the river to Steubenville Ohio, Care Source offers the least expensive Bronze again. It is slightly cheaper than the West Virginia plans probably because Ohio is slightly healthier than West Virginia. The interesting thing is heading one county further west to Harrison County. Here Anthem offers a Bronze plan that is significantly more expensive then the low cost Gold plan in Pittsburgh, and forty dollars more expensive than the low cost Bronze plan in Jefferson County Ohio.

These experiences from the edge of Washington County, Pennsylvania to Harrison County cover a pleasant forty five minute drive. Three distinctive state risk pools with three different carriers that offer the lowest Bronze plan in each county leads to very different experiences. It gets even more variant once we take into consideration the age banding effects. We see post subsidy notches when people switch from being in the 40-49 year old bucket and age into the 50-59 year old bucket. We also see how hard the oldest people in the band are hit.

Three seperate carriers with five different tales to tell. Every one has a point of inequity between 49 and 50 years old. Everyone will have a point of inequity between 59 and 60 although I did not show that. This is the data that should be used to support our stories when we talk to Senators in these states.

My data is here at this link.

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12Comments

  1. 1.

    Tom V

    March 2, 2017 at 10:12 am

    Are those monthly premiums? Or yearly?

    I’m happy to be on Kaiser Medicare Advantage with a premium that has just gone from $117 to $126 a month.

  2. 2.

    daveNYC

    March 2, 2017 at 10:24 am

    Looking at the age ranges that can afford the various levels of coverage with just the tax credits, what’s up with 34 year olds? Is that the magic actuarial age where everything starts to fall off the cliff?

  3. 3.

    guachi

    March 2, 2017 at 10:30 am

    I think Democrats should hammer Republicans on the subsidies not keeping up with age or income.

    “Sixty year-old on a moderate income can’t afford more than a plan with a $25,000 deductible!”

  4. 4.

    Betty

    March 2, 2017 at 10:33 am

    Hey, David, this stuff looks complicated. Who knew?

  5. 5.

    David Anderson

    March 2, 2017 at 10:39 am

    @Tom V: Monthly premiums

    @Betty: shockingly so

    @daveNYC: The 34 year old hits an odd point in the curve under the Price plan as they were the oldest people in the lowest subsidy band. Under the leaked Congressional plan from a few weeks ago, they would have been in the middle group of an age band. The 39 year olds and 49 year olds and 59 year olds and 64 year olds are the ones at the greatest risk

  6. 6.

    dnfree

    March 2, 2017 at 10:39 am

    I get better information from your blog posts than I get in any of my other news sources about how this stuff actually works (or doesn’t). Thank you for your efforts to research and inform us. Betty is right!

  7. 7.

    dnfree

    March 2, 2017 at 10:44 am

    I have Medicare plus a supplement plan F. Even the Medicare Advantage salesperson (in a group meeting) said IF you have known health issues and IF you can afford it, you are better off with a supplement plan than with Advantage. I have encountered some major issues since retirement, and have paid almost nothing out of pocket. I like the assurance that my cost is essentially fixed, because I’m a risk-averse person.

    I knew some people who were farmers and could not get insurance prior to the ACA because of pre-existing conditions. They were waiting years, from their late 50s to mid-60s, working the farm and in pain, until they could go on Medicare to get needed surgery and treatment. I hate to see us go back to that.

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    guachi

    March 2, 2017 at 10:44 am

    Why not just say you get $100 per year of life? No weird age band issues. Just take your age. Multiply by $100. Index for inflation. Done!

    Though indexed by income and age would be vastly better to keep cost down.

  9. 9.

    David Anderson

    March 2, 2017 at 10:48 am

    @guachi: that could probably work pretty well.

  10. 10.

    Aleta

    March 2, 2017 at 11:01 am

    Thank you for this nice piece of perspective.

  11. 11.

    Karen

    March 2, 2017 at 12:05 pm

    @Tom V:
    Me too, I have Kaiser Medicare Plus.

    I read an article today that said that Republicans are keeping their ACA plans a secret now.

  12. 12.

    Lizzee

    March 3, 2017 at 11:43 am

    When the olds and near-olds are on plans like this,

    “Not quite ready for Medicare buyers are looking at a Lead plan with greatly restricted benefits and a $25,000 deductible. We can either reduce the deductible or increase the benefit richness for older buyers due to the extra $1,000 in subsidies in the leaked plan.”

    they will bankrupt the entire healthcare system. Until our fascist overloads change the laws that require hospitals to stabilize anyone who shows up in the ER. After that they’ll just die in the streets. #WASF

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