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Whatever happens next week, the fight doesn’t end.

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Putin must be throwing ketchup at the walls.

… gradually, and then suddenly.

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Weird Read: What Bodies Does Trump Want to Bury?

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Not a euphemism, for once. The Washington Post‘s David A. Fahrenthold on “The mystery of Donald Trump and the New Jersey cemetery“:

In rural New Jersey, the president’s business has proposed an unusual real estate project.

It wants to build a cemetery.

Or maybe not. Or maybe two.

According to plans filed with local and state authorities, the Trump Organization has proposed to build a pair of graveyards at the site of its tony Trump National Golf Club Bedminster course.

One would be small: 10 plots overlooking the first hole. It was intended — or so they said — for Trump and his family. “Mr. Trump . . . specifically chose this property for his final resting place as it is his favorite property,” his company wrote in a filing with the state in 2014…

The other proposed cemetery would have 284 lots for sale to the public. There, buyers could pay for a kind of eternal membership in Trump’s club — even if it isn’t clear Trump himself would ever join them…

But Trump has been talking about cemeteries here for 10 years — and he has shown the same unpredictable decision-making style about his death that he has about so many things in his life. His plans have gone through at least five major overhauls. Trump has reconsidered his own burial spot at least twice.

Local officials were left puzzling, wondering what angle Trump was playing.

Did the world’s most famous Manhattanite really want to be buried in nowheresville New Jersey?…

******
President Trump already has a family burial plot: His parents and his brother Fred are buried together at All Faiths Cemetery in Queens.

So it was a surprise, back in 2007, when Trump announced he wanted a mausoleum for himself in New Jersey…

The plan was big: 19 feet high. Stone. Obelisks. Set smack in the middle of the golf course. In Bedminster — a wealthy horse-country town 43 miles west of New York City — officials had some concerns about hosting a reality TV star’s tomb. The huge structure would seem garish, out of place. And there were ongoing worries that the spot might become an “attractive nuisance,” tempting curiosity-seekers to trespass on club grounds.

Trump offered a concession.

The tomb would be versatile.

It could also be a festive wedding . . . tomb.

“We’re planning a mausoleum/chapel,” Trump said, according to a news report from the time…

Trump withdrew the plan to be buried in New Jersey. But five years later, he was back with another one. Now, the mausoleum was out — but, instead, he had a plan to build a large cemetery with more than 1,000 graves, including one for him.

The idea, apparently, was that Trump’s golf-club members would buy the other plots, seizing the chance at eternal membership…

The town was, again, skeptical. So Trump whittled it down to just 10 graves, enough for himself and his family members.

Which family members, exactly?

“Only the good Trumps,” Russo said, according to a video of the town land-use board. He did not elaborate…

******
… Could this whole thing have been a scheme to reduce the Trump Organization’s real estate taxes? After all, nonprofit cemeteries pay no taxes on their land.

That’s possible, experts said.

But, in this case, the savings would hardly be worth the trouble. That’s because Trump had already found a way to lower his taxes on that wooded, largely unused parcel. He had persuaded the township to declare it a farm, because some trees on the site are turned into mulch. Because of pro-farmer tax policies, Trump’s company pays just $16.31 per year in taxes on the parcel, which he bought for $461,000.

“It’s always been my suspicion that there’s something we don’t know” about the explanation behind the seemingly inexplicable cemetery plan, said Bedminster land-use board member Nick Strakhov. So why were they doing it?

“I did not ask,” Strakhov said. “It’s an obvious question.”…

For I am Trumpymandias, King of Kings!… Probably it’s just some errant impulse on Lord Smallgloves’ part, another futile attempt to prove that he’s a world-historical figure and not just a jumped-up Queens slumlord’s Fortunate Son.

Best response from the Washington Post comments:

Bill Payer
Q. Who is buried in Trumps tomb?
A. Nobody but rumor has it that is where his tax returns went to spend eternity.

Reader Interactions

142Comments

  1. 1.

    NotMax

    There’s always cremation and having his ashes scattered over the nude bodies of Russian hookers…

  2. 2.

    Mnemosyne

    T-minus 2-1/2 hours before I leave for the airport. Lounging around the house with my sore knee up waiting for my last load of laundry to finish in the dryer so I can finish packing and hopefully have time for a shower and a nap before we get on the road.

    ETA: Charlotte is making sure to get as much cat hair as possible on the hoodie I’m going to wear to the airport. Hopefully any seatmate will not be allergic to cats.

  3. 3.

    Brachiator

    @NotMax:

    There’s always cremation and having his ashes scattered over the nude bodies of Russian hookers…

    I thought he wanted his ashes scattered on a bed in Trump tower and then having those Russian hookers pee on them.

  4. 4.

    Svensker

    On our $400K house in NJ we were paying $8K/year in taxes. So it chaps me a bit that tRump is paying $16/year for his $400K plot. Just a bit.

  8. 8.

    SiubhanDuinne

    The town was, again, skeptical. So Trump whittled it down to just 10 graves, enough for himself and his family members.

    Which family members, exactly?

    “Only the good Trumps,” Russo said….

    Christ Crouching on a Purple Putter, that is one nasty and scary comment. Worthy of Sean Spicer.

  14. 14.

    efgoldman

    Holy crap. Cobra Cotton – COTTON! – came out today against the Ryandeath bill.
    [Paraphrasing] The house shouldn’t pass a bill that can’t pass the senate.
    When did he become a realist?

  17. 17.

    sukabi

    @efgoldman: faced with angry constituents will do it for some…plus he’s trying to get on the right side of this for his 2020 run…

  20. 20.

    NotMax

    @Mnemosyne

    Let the over-analyzing take a vacation, too, and go with the flow. If you can.

    Oh, personally find asking for a glass of plain tonic water, with ice and a wedgelet of lime (if available), much more refreshing as a method of staying hydrated during a flight. Depending on the airline, they might give you the entire can instead of just a glassful.

  21. 21.

    sukabi

    @Brachiator: Russian hookers have to wait their turns. Pretty sure there will be millions of Americans standing in line first…some may not wait for the ashes….

  22. 22.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    officials had some concerns about hosting a reality TV star’s tomb. The huge structure would seem garish, out of place. And there were ongoing worries that the spot might become an “attractive nuisance,” tempting curiosity-seekers to trespass on club grounds.

    Owners of local laxative and toilet paper concessions, and Fred who sells prune juice on the road side, however were thrilled.

    @efgoldman: he also said that passage might cost R’s the House. I think that, like Paul, he knows how man people in his very poor state rely on Medicaid and doesn’t want to have to vote on this dog’s breakfast one way or the other.

  27. 27.

    Brachiator

    officials had some concerns about hosting a reality TV star’s tomb. The huge structure would seem garish, out of place. And there were ongoing worries that the spot might become an “attractive nuisance,” tempting curiosity-seekers to trespass on club grounds.

    I can only imagine what the inevitable Trump Library might look like.

    And admission to Trump Library will be free, but it will cost you plenty to get out.

  28. 28.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Shell: the guy in India, who built that white one, he’s doing terrific work that people are recognizing all the time. Many people tell me, Mr Trump, you should get that guy, he’d be thrilled to see you sealed up in one of his tombs.

  29. 29.

    Roger Moore

    @efgoldman:
    My theory is that Cotton knows Arkansas will be badly hurt by repeal. He doesn’t want to vote for it because it will hurt his reelection chances, and he doesn’t want to vote against it because that would be betraying the party. His only hope is not to have to vote at all by having it die in the House.

  32. 32.

    Villago Delenda Est

    There are just endless realms of the strange with Donald. He probably doesn’t know that none of this is original with him, either. The entire “servants in the afterlife” nonsense.

  35. 35.

    Mnemosyne

    @efgoldman:

    I’m also seeing a Broadway show this fall. Have you heard of it?

    @NotMax:

    Club soda with lime is my preference. I’m not a big alcohol drinker, and corn syrup doesn’t agree with my tummy.

  39. 39.

    Doug R

    @Mnemosyne: As a bicycle courier for roughly eight years, I got worn patellas. Once in a while, when a knee gets sore, I find one of those neoprene knee braces helps a lot. Mine has a hole over the patella and cost about $20.

  43. 43.

    efgoldman

    @NotMax:

    With the addition of a ticket booth, food concession and gift shoppe.

    Grifting from beyond the grave. What a country!

  44. 44.

    Aleta

    @Doug R: The neoprene ones are good for keeping it warm, perfect for skiing. And also good for holding an ice pack in place.

  45. 45.

    efgoldman

    Ugh! Forecast for Tuesday now 12-18″, intermittent blizzard conditions.
    Do. Not. Want.

  48. 48.

    efgoldman

    @Roger Moore:

    He doesn’t want to vote for it because it will hurt his reelection chances, and he doesn’t want to vote against it

    I thought that might have been Yertle McTurtle’s thought process back in December, when he and Hatch both said the filibuster wasn’t going anywhere.

  49. 49.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @efgoldman:

    It will be EXACTLY 24 years to the day since the Great East Coast Blizzard of 1993. I have good reason to remember that weekend, and shall post more about it tomorrow.

  52. 52.

    NotMax

    Ugh. Opened the airtight (supposedly) container in which I keep rice, and it was infested with teeny tiny ants.

  53. 53.

    efgoldman

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    It will be EXACTLY 24 years to the day since the Great East Coast Blizzard of 1993.

    For those of us old enough in New England, ’78 is still The. Big. One.
    Although two winters ago, when we had snow piled up to the eaves, and deer coming right up to the house to forage for food, was pretty awful.

  55. 55.

    smintheus

    Trimalchio. Trump is like nobody so much as Trimalchio. I bet he even planned a sundial atop his Mausoleum, so people would have to look up at it despite themselves whenever they wanted to know the time.

  56. 56.

    smintheus

    @efgoldman: 50 inches of snow in RI. My mom needed almost 10 hours that day to drive home 22 miles, doing a circuit of half the state looking for small roads that were still passable.

  57. 57.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @efgoldman:

    I was living in Michigan in 1978. I have to say, the nine years I lived in that state all pretty much moosh together, and it’s hard to remember one exceptionally snowy winter from another. But I do certainly recall at least a couple of vicious storms, as well as one year where there was the most amazing thundersnow.

    Two years ago was astonishing. I remember that the huge pile of packed snow somewhere in Boston or environs didn’t fully melt until May or June. I was there in July 2015 for a (mutual) friend’s 70th birthday, and although it was high summer at the time, they were all still talking about the winter just past.

  60. 60.

    Frank Wilhoit

    “I did not ask,” Strakhov said. “It’s an obvious question.”…

    No, see, the way it works is, the obvious questions are the ones you ask. The ones you don’t ask are the ones that have obvious answers.

  61. 61.

    NotMax

    @efgoldman

    Blizzard of ’88 still (I believe) holds the record.

    Up to five feet of snow, winds of 45 miles per hour and higher, snowdrifts of 50 feet and higher. This was the “Great White Hurricane” of 1888.

    The storm struck around midnight on Monday, March 12, and for some people it would be an entire week before they could leave their home again. The blizzard raged for 36 hours. Combined with the constant winds, drifts scaled over three-story houses.

    All road and rail traffic ceased in New York City. Two hundred ships were run aground of wrecked, killing around 100 sailors; in total, around 400 people died as a result of the blizzard. Source

    He found first-person accounts of the blizzard in some of the newspapers he’d run through on microfilm. In the New York Times, he found this account by a woman watching the storm from her apartment window: “I saw a man for one and a half hours trying to cross 96th Street. We watched him start, get quarter way across, and then be flung back against the building on the comer. The last time he tried it, he was caught up in a whirl of snow and disappeared from our view. The next morning seven horses, policemen, and his brother charged the drift, and his body was kicked out of the drift.” The newspapers abounded with grim stories—the account of a farmer finding a woman frozen to death in his outhouse, where she had sought shelter, having lost her way in the ferocious storm. And the two children in Waterford, Connecticut, who were making their way to their aunt’s house and were quickly buried in the fast-falling snow. They huddled together for hours inside the snow cave until searchers found them by poking through the snow with a stick. They were alive, their hands and ears frostbitten. The icy snow whipped by gale-force winds made being out in the storm like being in a sand storm or being sandblasted. It was reported, here and there, that people had resorted to wearing squares of carpeting on their feet and blankets around their heads, or bags with holes cut for eyes.

    For three astonishing days in 1888—March 11 to 14— a whirlwind of ice and snow pummeled the region, and when it was over, it had taken the lives of 400 people and caused uncalculated damage. In New York City, where such things were capable of being totted up, there was an estimated $20 million worth of damage. It was the greatest amount of snow ever to have fallen since the formation of the United States. Nothing since has overtaken that record. Source

    There’s another site I can’t readily find at the moment which reprints contemporary accounts of the harrowing rescue of folks stranded on elevated trains in NYC, including a mention of one fellow who brought a ladder long enough for people to use to descend from the Third Avenue El downtown, for which he charged the (astronomical then) sum of $20 a head.

  65. 65.

    prostratedragon

    I always thought this would be a good funeral march for the story of a real estate scam — maybe some schlemazel has to be buried before court papers are served: “Milonga Picaresque”.

    There could be other occasions …

  67. 67.

    Gvg

    60 minutes is doing show on journalists and other poisoned by Putin. Back ground stories like this may help straighten out some peoples thinking.

  68. 68.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Mnemosyne: The curse has shifted. Do you own several pairs of overalls by any chance? Or an overwhelming urge to run out and buy several pairs of overalls?

  73. 73.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Roger Moore: As currently written it can’t go through budget reconciliation. The surcharge penalty for failure to maintain insurance fails the Byrd Rule and the Federal Law its based on for determining what can and cannot be done under budget reconciliation. The rest of the bill is built around this as the swap out for the mandate. They are so bad at this they couldn’t even write the bill correctly so they could put their legislative strategy in place.

  80. 80.

    hovercraft

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Ryan did warn us that their “governing” muscles have atrophied. You’d think that a policy wonk like Ryan who’s been working on a replacement for 6 years would be better at this, but I’m sure he’ll get a pass, he’s been busy doing………oh yeah stuff.

  82. 82.

    germy

    Why Was Steve Bannon’s Hot Tub Allegedly Filled with Acid?

    The Washington Post reported a story on Saturday investigating counselor to the president Steve Bannon’s legal residence, since no one really knows where he lives. But in the course of that investigation, they uncovered something that is even more disturbing: a hot tub at a house where Bannon claimed to live looked like it was filled with acid.

    The Post obtained a February 2015 email from Bannon’s former landlord that read: “[E]ntire Jacuzzi bathtub seems to have been covered in acid.”

    The landlord also noticed that padlocks had been installed on interior doors (creepy), while other doors were totally removed (also creepy).

    “I’m out of town,” Bannon responded (a likely story). “is there any way u can talk with Diane and sort things out ???”

    It leads to a disturbing question I never thought I’d ask: What happened in Steve Bannon’s hot tub.

    Was it a hot tub party gone awry? Did someone put too much chlorine in the water? Was someone getting rid of a body, Breaking Bad-style? The people deserve to know.

  83. 83.

    germy

    @Gvg:

    60 minutes is doing show on journalists and other poisoned by Putin. Back ground stories like this may help straighten out some peoples thinking.

    It seems like this entire episode is a rebuke to drump. Now they’re talking to someone who was tortured at gitmo.

  85. 85.

    Aleta

    About Flynn:

    1. Bush ethics lawyer on CNN https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhdATW5G02s

    It’s complete chaos. .. He should have been registered under the (Foreign Agents Registration) Act, and he wasn’t. And I can’t believe that the transition team couldn’t figure out that he was a foreign agent and inform the president. What kind of a country is it where we have foreign agents who are able to infiltrate the government without the president even knowing it and take the top post in the NSC?
    …
    It makes no sense to run a government this way and allow foreign agents into the government and have the president not even know – say you’re draining the swamp and yet you bring in people who have close ties to the Russians and other countries as well and on the payroll of the Turkish government … And then the pres says he doesnt know about it. This is a completely chaotic situation, and then Gen. Flynn lied about his contacts with the Russians,…. And we’ve had the attorney general in testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee say he did not contact the Russians when he had contacts with the Russians. People are not being honest about their foreign contacts. And they talk about this ‘deep state theory’ as if there are somehow Obama moles in the government undermining the Trump administration … I’m more worried about KGB agents running around the West Wing or the National Security Council.

    2. Susan Simpson has pages of info about FIG and Flynn’s contracts and his lies, in her tweets starting March 9 through March 11. They start here, from the bottom up. https://mobile.twitter.com/TheViewFromLL2?max_id=840023674602287103
    The sequence gets a bit confusing after awhile, but the details are wild.
    ETA The link goes to the present, not March 9, so you’d have to go back to March 9, 4-5 pages.

  89. 89.

    hovercraft

    @germy:
    Have all their missing persons cases from that time period been resolved?
    And what the hell do they mean, no one knows where he lives, is he like Mel Gibson in Conspiracy, with a fake apartment that connects to his secret lair? We need to know, at least we knew where Chaney officially lived, even if his crypt was somewhere else.

  92. 92.

    hovercraft

    @Baud:
    Stop being so literal, he was referring to the muscles in the brain, ahh, I see the problem, not only don’t they have muscles in the brains, they don’t have brains. And the granny starver is one of the few who have those other muscles, unfortunately for him they don’t distract from the stoopid that comes out of his mouth.

  93. 93.

    Aleta

    @germy: Maybe you’ve said this, but FLA is investigating him for false residence claims, probably to evade CA taxes. He claimed his FLA residence was w/ his ex-wife; at that time period, she was dealing or smuggling drugs. Someone said it could be a show named Breaking Bannon.

  97. 97.

    Feebog

    What is this snow everyone keeps talking about? It was 82 in the San Fernando Valley today, perfect for a little gardening and such. (ducks)

  99. 99.

    Yarrow

    This time change is messing me up. I had to be up early today, which felt like an hour earlier because of the stupid time change. I don’t get the point of Daylight Savings Time–it just seems stupid to me. Plus, these days we have DST more months than Standard time. So why not call the DST months Standard Time, and then call Standard Time something else for those months?

  103. 103.

    Shana

    @efgoldman: They’re saying 5-10 inches here in NoVA. Hubby will pack up Monday night thinking he’ll be home Tuesday. I’m thinking of making short ribs for Tuesday with fried brussels sprouts for dinner after we spend the day shoveling our 80′ driveway. At least he’ll be in town for a “big” snow. He usually is conveniently out of town when we get snow.

    ETA: Hubby just called our daughter who’s in Williamstown, MA this year and next for her Masters program. He asked, so how much snow are they predicting for you? Have you stocked up on food etc.? She said “Dad, no one panic shops before storms here except me.”

  107. 107.

    Gravenstone

    @germy: Hey, I worked nights for 18 years. It’s actually kind of nice – rarely see your boss, no endless meetings, you just get on with your work in your own time. I’d still be doing it had I not moved to a more customer facing position several years ago and my boss basically made me move to first.

  109. 109.

    JMG

    It’ll snow here in Boston suburbs, northwest division. A lot, more than elsewhere. It’ll suck. We’ll dig out. Alice and I spent dinner planning Tuesday and Wednesday meals than can be cooked on gas stovetop if power goes out. Already gassed up both cars and the can for the snowblower. Will spend Tuesday cussing, but should be OK otherwise.
    PS: Henry Longhurst, late British golf commentator (and Member of Parliament and other stuff) once told story of playing a course near London where the caddie pointed out there was a cemetery that was on the boundary and included some of the course.
    “And furthermore,” caddie said, ” we have some very well to do people buried there.”
    Trump’s kind of place!

  110. 110.

    CaseyL

    Apparently Trump means to set himself up as Pharaoh. His ego demands he be the only, the eternal and the last Ruler of America. The cemetery must outdo the Pyramids for glitz, and be properly accoutered to send him off to eternity as befits a God-King.

    OT: I’ve been watching Legion, and it is the trippiest thing I have EVER seen. Anywhere. TV, movies, the inside of my own skull… it is some weird mind-fucking stuff.

  111. 111.

    polyorchnid octopunch

    @Baud: I’m pretty sure his bicep and tricep on his right hand, in combination with his flexor digitorums have been getting a serious workout for years.

  112. 112.

    OldDave

    @Mnemosyne:

    T-minus 2-1/2 hours before I leave for the airport.

    And that was three hours ago. Happy travels, happy vacation, and if you want, keep us updated on how things are going. I’m sure you’ve researched everything, so I’ll not attempt to give advice or recommendations. Hope everyone has a wonderful time!

  115. 115.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Which family members, exactly?

    “Only the good Trumps,” Russo said, according to a video of the town land-use board. He did not elaborate…

    Oh god, poor Tiffany

  116. 116.

    dww44

    @Ruviana: The link didn’t work for me. I googled the author, but there are several books listed. Can you provide the name?

  121. 121.

    Ruviana

    @dww44: Yep it’s at 120–Not sure why my link didn’t work. I thought it was extremely good and also brief. Perhaps a good organizing tool.

    Thanks Another Scott!

  122. 122.

    Another Scott

    @Ruviana: You need to include the number after the “/dp/” in the Amazon link, otherwise it goes to the Puppy Page. (I made the same mistake recently. ;-)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  123. 123.

    jl

    Accidentally put my alarm to radio, so woke up this morning hearing The Trump Hisself saying that those old Bureau of Labor Statistics unemployment numbers were crooked. Obama made his flunkies cook them. But these new Trump Era BLS unemployment numbers, yep, they are solid, very good. You could trust them.

    I figured it was some loony tune Trujmp BS that his flunkies would try to clean up later in the day. But no, this seems to be the official WH position. Obama made the BLS staff cook the numbers, but these new BLS Trump Era numbers were good as gold. Totally honest now that the evil mastermind Obama is gone.

    What a bunch of loons. No substantial change in BLS leadership of course. Previous commissioner’s term ended at the end of this January and her deputy commissioner, a guy who’s been there for awhile, took over. Other than that, exact same organization.

    We have to hope that brass balls the size of a large planet combined with stupidity and ignorance to match will do them in.

  124. 124.

    JMG

    @SiubhanDuinne: I remember ’78,but bad as it was, the weather was nice (not warm, just sunny and appropriate temperatures) for the rest of that winter. 2015 was way worse. This’ll be a bad storm, but what’ll make the difference between just plain bad and horrible is the weather afterwards. On April Fool’s Day 1997 there was over two feet of snow in the Boston suburbs, but the temperatures returned to a little above normal (to the 50s) and it was all gone in a week or so.

  128. 128.

    efgoldman

    @Gravenstone:

    I worked nights for 18 years.

    15 years, midnight-600am radio. Had all the advantages you say, but I think it probably contributed a lot to my lousy health.

  130. 130.

    amk

    @jl: wh stress secretary was saying just that on live teevee. when the numbers inevitably go down the toilet, you can bet your ass they will blame the same BLS staff as Obama leftovers and the corrupt msm will peddle that lie too.

  132. 132.

    efgoldman

    @Aleta:

    The library if he is not deposed will be Versailles meets Saint Basil’s Cathedral

    And it will have 5000 books in it.
    All copies of Art of the Deal.
    For which he will charge the library corporation full price, plus a sales commission

  133. 133.

    catclub

    @Yarrow:

    I don’t get the point of Daylight Savings Time–it just seems stupid to me.

    You wouldn’t happen to be old, would you?

  135. 135.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @Yarrow: The idea is to add an hour during the longer period of daylight at the end of the day, so you can go shopping.

  136. 136.

    catclub

    @jl:

    Obama made his flunkies cook them. But these new Trump Era BLS unemployment numbers, yep, they are solid, very good. You could trust them.

    So far, Trump’s cynical estimation of the intelligence/willingness to put up with a baldfaced liar, of the US public, has been better than most.

    It is depressing that you could predict he would make this lie, he makes it, and there is no particular backlash.

  137. 137.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @catclub: Those who see the lie are not part of his base. So he doesn’t care. As long as his base continues to believe that day is night, that dry is wet, that up is down, he has no problems.

  142. 142.

    J R in WV

    My dad ran the AM newspaper while we grew up, so he was at work off and on from mid-afternoon, break to home for dinner, back to work to put his page to bed, at midnight review the paper coming off the press for gross mistakes, get a start on the next day. To bed himself around 3 am.

    We were up and off to school at 7 am or so. Once I hit Jr high in 7th grade I was in band, so we started an hour earlier than most students.

    Both my wife and I worked for the newspaper, that’s actually how we met. She had relatives – cousins who were older than we were, who worked there, everyone in my family worked there. When I was in the Navy shifts, called watches because Navy, were rotating, so I worked every hour of the day.

    But I’ve always been a night-owl. And some nights bedtime just doesn’t come around, dammit!

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