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You are here: Home / Economics / C.R.E.A.M. / Early-Morning TrumpRyanCare (No) Progress Update Open Thread

Early-Morning TrumpRyanCare (No) Progress Update Open Thread

by Anne Laurie|  March 15, 20173:09 am| 23 Comments

This post is in: C.R.E.A.M., Open Threads, Republicans in Disarray!, World's Best Healthcare (If You Can Afford It), All we want is life beyond the thunderdome

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If @realDonaldTrump's #GOP repeal the #ACA, thousands upon thousands of vets & their families will lose health care. Will Fischer explains… pic.twitter.com/2Zj9TsUNvu

— VoteVets (@votevets) March 14, 2017

That FYWP ‘upgrade’ Alain mentioned earlier did something nasty to my post-composing interface. Despite his best efforts, some combination of outdated browser/plugins and my own tech incompetence have left me limping between my normal workspace (Pale Moon) and an ugly old version of IE. Be afraid, be very afraid…

Spicer: Trump doesn't want the bill named after him, but "the president's proud of it."

— Margot Sanger-Katz (@sangerkatz) March 14, 2017

Maybe he can just negotiate licensing rights so the bill can use Trump's name but he doesn't have to own it https://t.co/DkBPsvYrrs

— Carlos Lozada (@CarlosLozadaWP) March 14, 2017

@sangerkatz @crampell Given his licensing past, I'd worry that if the bill was named after him, he'd charge the federal government a fee.

— Ray Suarez (@RaySuarezNews) March 14, 2017

This is a good point by @JessicaHuseman pic.twitter.com/xhG4OM9fhg

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) March 14, 2017

What she was saying was that if the bill passed, its concrete benefits would be popular and difficult to roll back.

— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) March 14, 2017


Nor does AHCA roll back any of the curve-bending delivery system reforms.

— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) March 14, 2017

It only partially rolls back Medicaid expansion and refundable tax credits, and it may not pass because … that stuff's popular too.

— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) March 14, 2017

Repubs said same, at least privately. Their oppo in 2009-10 predicated on belief it’d be suicidal to do what they’re now attempting, repeal https://t.co/LP31gqMAxa

— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) March 14, 2017

People hate the mandate. They want to be offered insurance they would buy voluntarily. In practice, that means pricing it below cost.

— Josh Barro (@jbarro) March 14, 2017

https://t.co/C2a8zHBdYZ pic.twitter.com/yTf9SvnCs6

— Big Sharia Jeb Malmö (@Mobute) March 14, 2017

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  1. 1.

    Calming Influence

    March 15, 2017 at 3:25 am

    The Republicans are not marketing this healthcare plan as well as they could. They need to emphasize the intermediate step: “…and then a miracle happens!!”

    That would surely convince the doubters.

  2. 2.

    amk

    March 15, 2017 at 3:38 am

    fywp.

  3. 3.

    NR

    March 15, 2017 at 3:52 am

    The first Republican has announced that she will vote against Trumpcare.

  4. 4.

    Keith P.

    March 15, 2017 at 4:43 am

    Paul Ryan may not survive the AHCA fiasco. Too many conservatives are calling for his head

  5. 5.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    March 15, 2017 at 4:53 am

    @Keith P.:

    When Marlow finally makes it to Kurtz in the depths of the rainforest, he finds a disturbing site. The poles outside Kurtz’ home are not merely decorative balls. They are human heads.

    Kurtz has either suffered or chosen a break with the morals of society. He has become a savage – much more savage than the figures in the novel who are given the moniker “savage”.

    ‘‘The horror! The horror!’’ With this utterance, Kurtz presumably realizes the depth to which his unbridled greed and brutality have brought him.

  6. 6.

    TriassicSands

    March 15, 2017 at 5:24 am

    @Calming Influence:

    I think you’re onto something. It is important for them to emphasize the role that the Baby Jesus will play in this plan. True believers will get lower premiums, lower out of pocket expenses, better care, and reservations at the Heavenly Trump Palace when their luck finally runs out. Non-believers? Screw ’em.

    Paul Ryan is obviously a devout Christian. The dead giveaway is his overwhelming compassion for the poor and vulnerable. Therefore, I’m sure his health care plan was inspired by the combined teachings of Ayn Rand and Jesus, who despite Rand’s atheism are perfectly compatible in the diseased minds of Republicans.

  7. 7.

    Wag

    March 15, 2017 at 5:38 am

    @Calming Influence:

    “…and then a miracle happens!!”

    Especially the Evangelical among them.

  8. 8.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    March 15, 2017 at 5:43 am

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: Hmmm, that Kurtz fella sounds like a Trump voter.

  9. 9.

    Wyatt Derp

    March 15, 2017 at 7:50 am

    Underpants Gnome Care.
    1 – Repeal Obama care.
    2 – ?
    3 – Freedom!

  10. 10.

    John Waldron

    March 15, 2017 at 8:07 am

    I understand on how horrendous Trumpcare will be. However I have not seen an analyses of its impact on employment in the health care field. My assumption is Trumpcare reduces by a huge number those that will buy health insurance or use health care for preventive care (will only being using it in the ER) so what happens to all the PT and OT and medical tech people if they are not being used by medical clinics and hospitals. Anyone aware of the impact?

  11. 11.

    Dr. Ronnie James, D.O.

    March 15, 2017 at 8:26 am

    DumpsterCare

  12. 12.

    FlipYrWhig

    March 15, 2017 at 8:30 am

    @John Waldron: From what Republicans in Congress are saying, they seem to expect that the insurance people get on the individual market _now_ will be completely decimated, but that that’s a good thing, because companies will be rolling out a lot of exciting _new_ insurance products they can buy, and then they’ll be covered again, so when you think of it, they come out ahead. GAAAAH

  13. 13.

    John Waldron

    March 15, 2017 at 8:35 am

    @FlipYrWhig: Understand, but won’t we lose significant numbers of medical care jobs instead of adding employment in this area…anybody have numbers?

  14. 14.

    SFAW

    March 15, 2017 at 8:40 am

    @John Waldron:

    However I have not seen an analyses of its impact on employment in the health care field.

    Health insurance CEOs will probably do stunningly well, and isn’t that all that really matters?

    Well, that, plus the ability of Shitgibbon, Ryan, and other Rethugs to skim as much money as they can grab.

  15. 15.

    Fermion T. Clown

    March 15, 2017 at 9:18 am

    @John Waldron:

    Same thought occurred to me.

    Guessing it’s not just goodness of their hearts, bless their souls!, that has led all the professional medical and health care organizations to oppose Trumpentodt.

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    lollipopguild

    March 15, 2017 at 9:20 am

    @SFAW: Some people who work in the field of medicine will probably lose their jobs. People who work in funeral homes and cemetaries will be busier.

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    Betty

    March 15, 2017 at 9:34 am

    Rural hospitals are likely to close, causing a loss of care in the community and a loss of jobs.where jobs are scarce already.

  18. 18.

    StringOnAStick

    March 15, 2017 at 9:52 am

    @Betty: I saw a study that had 1/3 of the rural hospitals in Colorado closing. It also noted that for many of those towns, the hospital was the largest employer.

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    VOR

    March 15, 2017 at 9:56 am

    @lollipopguild: I haven’t read it, but my understanding is the CBO report forecast a $3B improvement in Social Security outlays because of people dying earlier due to lack of health insurance.

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    Tokyokie

    March 15, 2017 at 10:01 am

    And if the cuts adversely affect the elderly, I would expect a lot of nursing homes to close as well.

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    Xenos

    March 15, 2017 at 11:09 am

    What is the point of a work requirement? Something like 90% of medicaid goes to children, the elderly, and people who have already been proven to be too sick to work.

  22. 22.

    Villago Delenda Est

    March 15, 2017 at 12:41 pm

    @Xenos: Everyone but the .01% will eventually be required to “work” to get their daily ration of gruel.

  23. 23.

    steverinoCT

    March 15, 2017 at 12:53 pm

    In the early 90s I remember reading an article in the Navy base paper about a spouse who needed a lung transplant of some kind. The treatment was ruled “experimental” by the TriCare (or whatever it was at the time) system and she wasn’t covered. The article says she (an early-20s wife of an enlisted man) had about a year to live without the operation. Often wonder what became of her.

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