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You are here: Home / Politics / Trumpery / Dolt 45 / Thursday Morning Open Thread: Now You Wanna Be Our Buddy?

Thursday Morning Open Thread: Now You Wanna Be Our Buddy?

by Anne Laurie|  March 30, 20177:12 am| 153 Comments

This post is in: Dolt 45, Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat, Republican Stupidity, Republicans in Disarray!, Assholes, Go Fuck Yourself

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WH officials are attempting to meet next week with moderate Democrats. @RepLynch was asked to come. He declined. https://t.co/CquKzGYUvz

— Matt Viser (@mviser) March 29, 2017

… The South Boston Democrat is among those who received a formal invitation to meet next week with Trump’s director of legislative affairs, Marc Short, as the White House makes a renewed push to cultivate moderate Democrats.

“I was asked if I would be interested in going over to the White House for a meeting,” Lynch said in a statement to the Globe. “They said they were looking for ‘moderate’ Democrats – which I am. But under the circumstances I felt like they were trying to divide our party so I declined the invitation.”

“My feeling is that the Trump White House has taken a ‘scorched earth’ approach so far,” he added. “I am usually someone who looks for middle ground, but Mr. Trump’s opening position, especially as reflected in his budget, has been so extreme that there is no middle ground. It’s a non-starter for me.”…

Lynch is the most conservative member of the Massachusetts delegation, and has in the past shown a willingness to buck Democratic Party lines. In 2010, he was one of the few to vote against final passage of President Obama’s health care bill.

Think of Steve Lynch as a low-profile version of Long Island’s Pete King; he’s got a job for life, as long as he doesn’t get crosswise of his base, whose strongest impulse is to reject anything not of its Tribe and its Tribal Traditions (aka ‘Southie Pride’). Lynch voters may not have been Trump voters, but they were at the very least Trump-persuadable. If Steverino is publicly spurning the outstretched Repub hand now, it means that Lord Smallgloves’ mojo has lost its magic, at least here in the redder reaches of the Peoples’ Commonwealth.

Which is a bit of a problem, if you read the Washington Post, company paper for the town whose monopoly industry is national politics:

Congressional Republicans are working aggressively to craft an agreement intended to keep the government open past April 28, but their bid to avert a shutdown hinges on courting Democrats wary of President Trump and skirting the wrath of hard-line conservatives and Trump himself.

The murky path forward on government funding sparked unease Wednesday within the business community and at the Capitol, where Republicans speculated that Trump’s request for money to build a wall along the border with Mexico and $30 billion in new defense spending may need to be delayed to avoid a shutdown…

But for the moment, neither House nor Senate Democratic leaders have committed to supporting a spending plan. Bipartisan committee negotiations are underway, and crucial elements of an agreement remain unfinished. Democrats, too, bring their own challenges to the negotiating table. They are under pressure from their liberal base to oppose virtually everything that Trump and Republicans do — especially, in the case of the budget, funding for a border wall. But they and most of their supporters also favor keeping government open, and they are vulnerable to being accused of hypocrisy if they are seen as playing a part in causing a shutdown after years criticizing Republicans for doing the same.

Meanwhile, several congressional aides said that Republicans are agitated by the lack of clarity from White House officials over a strategy to avert the awkward theater of a Republican-driven shutdown on the watch of a Republican president…

By writing off Dems, Trump put himself at the mercy of the Freedom Caucus. Now Trump gets that, but it's too late. https://t.co/RbOocm3MvI

— Josh Barro (@jbarro) March 28, 2017

But wait — this time, there’s a Plan B!

The White House is hoping black lawmakers could be the Democrats to play ball https://t.co/0k070SYY9B

— Brandon Wall (@Walldo) March 29, 2017


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Why must everybody laugh at his mighty sword?

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  1. 1.

    WereBear

    March 30, 2017 at 7:15 am

    “We cannot trample upon the humanity of others without devaluing our own. The Igbo, always practical, put it concretely in their proverb Onye ji onye n’ani ji onwe ya: “He who will hold another down in the mud must stay in the mud to keep him down.”
    ― Chinua Achebe, The Education of a British-Protected Child: Essays

  2. 2.

    debbie

    March 30, 2017 at 7:15 am

    Don’t trust them any farther than you can throw them.

  3. 3.

    debbie

    March 30, 2017 at 7:16 am

    @WereBear:

    Or, Hillel via satby: “What is hateful to you do not do to your neighbor.”

  4. 4.

    Hunter Gathers

    March 30, 2017 at 7:18 am

    The only thing to do right now is to drop an anvil on that pig fucker. He’s a loser, the people who work for him are losers and the people that voted for him are losers. Wallow in your own shit, White America. And go fuck yourselves.

  5. 5.

    rikyrah

    March 30, 2017 at 7:20 am

    Good Morning, Everyone ???

  6. 6.

    Baud

    March 30, 2017 at 7:20 am

    @rikyrah: Good morning.

  7. 7.

    Iowa Old Lady

    March 30, 2017 at 7:20 am

    The White House is hoping black lawmakers could be the Democrats to play ball

    Good lord, on the basis of what? A meeting with Omarosa?

  8. 8.

    Baud

    March 30, 2017 at 7:21 am

    The White House is hoping black lawmakers could be the Democrats to play ball

    Makes sense. People of color put Trump in the White House. /Confused Bro

  9. 9.

    Applejinx

    March 30, 2017 at 7:23 am

    Hell, there will come a time when you’ll see Trump trying to flip to Democrat to curry favor. He’ll do a Lincoln Chafee.

    …if his Russian handlers want him to.

    Because it would be incredibly disruptive and chaotic for the USA if that were to happen, and that is literally the name of the game. We are still being played, and nothing is impossible or off the table.

  10. 10.

    Keith P.

    March 30, 2017 at 7:25 am

    As Jerry Seinfeld would say, as he sips on his coffee with a smirk on his face, “That’s a shame”.

  11. 11.

    MJS

    March 30, 2017 at 7:25 am

    I hear Maxine Waters is eager to sit down and discuss things with Trump. He should call her.

  12. 12.

    satby

    March 30, 2017 at 7:26 am

    @debbie: words I try to live by. Good morning!

  13. 13.

    OzarkHillbilly

    March 30, 2017 at 7:26 am

    @debbie: “Or never wrestle with a pig. You only get covered in mud and filth and the pig enjoys it.”

  14. 14.

    ThresherK

    March 30, 2017 at 7:26 am

    @Iowa Old Lady: That’s after Trump’s gladhanding the HBCUs’ reps in the Oval Office and then backstabbing them.

  15. 15.

    Baud

    March 30, 2017 at 7:26 am

    @MJS: Maybe April Ryan can set it up.

  16. 16.

    satby

    March 30, 2017 at 7:27 am

    @rikyrah: and good (rainy) morning to you! ☕

  17. 17.

    rikyrah

    March 30, 2017 at 7:29 am

    I am a Democrat. Hell no. Don’t agree to anything. If the government shuts down, it’s on them. Period.???

  18. 18.

    Baud

    March 30, 2017 at 7:29 am

    Ivanka Trump will take on a more formal role working for her father, President Donald Trump, as an official unpaid employee in the White House, The New York Times reported Wednesday.

    The Internship, a new reality show coming soon to Fox.

  19. 19.

    Lurking Canadian

    March 30, 2017 at 7:30 am

    @rikyrah: I am very glad to see smiles back on your morning posts, rikyrah!

  20. 20.

    debbie

    March 30, 2017 at 7:30 am

    @satby:

    Me too, but with varying success. Good morning to you too!

  21. 21.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    March 30, 2017 at 7:31 am

    This doesn’t make any sense.

    Why would any Dem sign on to a bill to take away insurance from 24 million people, especially if they voted for it in the first place.

    The liburel media has a hole in their head to push this meme.

  22. 22.

    rikyrah

    March 30, 2017 at 7:32 am

    To quote the Businesses Insider article:

    ” Democratic voters hate Trump.”

    You ain’t never lied. So, a Democrat best think long and hard about being seen working with Dolt45.

  23. 23.

    BruceFromOhio

    March 30, 2017 at 7:32 am

    @Hunter Gathers: THIS x 16 jillion. You broke it, you bought it, it is yours.

  24. 24.

    debbie

    March 30, 2017 at 7:32 am

    This is so typical of Trump. Abuse and abase your opponents and then try to win them over. Unfortunately, he doesn’t have the kind of charm required to achieve that.

  25. 25.

    NorthLeft12

    March 30, 2017 at 7:32 am

    I am not sure what the Repubs are expecting from the Dems here. Do they expect that the Dems will sellout completely to prevent a government shutdown?
    Would the Dems agree to large cuts in social services to finance large tax cuts and military expenditures?

    Personally, I would let the Repubs jack up the debt as much as they want to fund their plans as long as they don’t reduce any social spending. Or any spending that has value [ie. science/environmentally related].

    Your politics are sometimes/always very baffling to this socialist Canadian.

  26. 26.

    rikyrah

    March 30, 2017 at 7:33 am

    @Baud:
    No. Stop with the bullshyt. She has the title. She gets the check and the accountability.???

  27. 27.

    Eric

    March 30, 2017 at 7:33 am

    @Iowa Old Lady: reparations?

  28. 28.

    OzarkHillbilly

    March 30, 2017 at 7:33 am

    And speaking of filth: Eight executions in 11 days: Arkansas order may endanger staff’s mental health

    The Arkansas governor has so far given scant details about how he intends to deal with the intense psychological burden he is placing on the shoulders of the state’s execution team, beyond indicating that counseling will be available. When the Guardian put a series of questions to Hutchinson, including what was being done to protect the execution team from potential mental or emotional harm, a spokesman declined to answer.

    All the spokesman would say was that the governor had no intention of talking to the national or international media before next month’s executions, on the grounds that there was nothing to discuss. “There’s no debate here – this is not like the future of healthcare in America. The governor has the duty to carry out these executions that were decided by a jury. This is the law of Arkansas and of the federal government of the United States.”

    In previous statements, the governor’s office has argued that it will be “more efficient and less stressful” for those involved in carrying out the killing to see them through in quick succession. Given his rich personal experience, that sounds like arrogant negligence to Allen Ault.

    “If the governor is so hot on this, he ought to go down to the death chamber and do it himself. But he won’t, they don’t, they never do. Politicians are never in the room when it happens, they never have to suffer anything.”

    Of course not, he’s a Republican.

  29. 29.

    Lurking Canadian

    March 30, 2017 at 7:34 am

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: The media is hoping the centrist Democrats will reach across the aisle to write a sensible compromise bill that instead takes health care away from…say 16 million people. Maybe 15 million? Trump’s looking to deal!

  30. 30.

    p.a.

    March 30, 2017 at 7:34 am

    Paul Ryan + the CBC. Yeah Donnie, that’s a winning combo for ya.

    Southie Pride

    Irish-American coworker once took a long term gig in Boston, tried to hang out in Southie bars. Almost got killed. The attitude was “We don’t care if you’re Saint Patrick, if you ain’t Southie you’re shit.” This was quite a while ago. Maybe thing have changed?

  31. 31.

    rikyrah

    March 30, 2017 at 7:34 am

    @Hunter Gathers:
    Tell me how you REALLY feel???

  32. 32.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    March 30, 2017 at 7:34 am

    Maxine Waters‏ @MaxineWaters

    Trump is hiding something. This is why he continues to lie & distract from investigations.The truth will be uncovered & he will be impeached

    1,997 replies 14,302 retweets 37,168 likes

    She has a six-pack of Whooop Ass and is opening a can every day.

  33. 33.

    Spaniel

    March 30, 2017 at 7:36 am

    By Trump reaching out to Democrats, does it mean the Democrats will be become targets like the HFC folks about 10-days ago? Blame, Ban on threatening placing people on list of enemies, and threatening publicly to have elected officials to lose their jobs.

    I say work with those Republicans in Congress and with Trump reenact the scene of Braveheart where the Scots crossed the field of battle and show the uppity self proclaimed lords their bottoms.

  34. 34.

    rikyrah

    March 30, 2017 at 7:36 am

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:
    Did you see the parts of the article from ELLE that I posted in yesterday’s threads about Waters and her response to Bill O’Reilly????

  35. 35.

    satby

    March 30, 2017 at 7:38 am

    @Baud: someone needs better handling? It’s got to be exhausting, having to try to keep tabs on the old goat while pretending to the entire world everything is fine and he’s the one in charge. But I’m not at all sympathetic, they enable him.

  36. 36.

    Lurking Canadian

    March 30, 2017 at 7:39 am

    @NorthLeft12: The problem isn’t running a deficit, it’s that stupid “debt ceiling”. The Republicans can literally hold a gun to the economy of the entire planet, then ask for whatever Randian unicorn they want this week and dare the Dems to vote against them.

    It’s hard to play chicken with somebody who is so fucking crazy he thinks the collision won’t hurt.

  37. 37.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    March 30, 2017 at 7:39 am

    The White House is hoping black lawmakers could be the Democrats to play ball

    Guess April will have to set up a meeting.

    @Baud: I like the way you think Baud.

  38. 38.

    Iowa Old Lady

    March 30, 2017 at 7:39 am

    @Eric: Yeah, that’ll happen.

  39. 39.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    March 30, 2017 at 7:40 am

    @rikyrah: yes. Don’t play for no fool.

  40. 40.

    Baud

    March 30, 2017 at 7:40 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    You is slow.

  41. 41.

    debbie

    March 30, 2017 at 7:41 am

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:

    Never, ever make fun of a woman’s hair.

  42. 42.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    March 30, 2017 at 7:42 am

    @Baud: Someone should inform Trump that having sex with interns is an impeachable offense.

  43. 43.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    March 30, 2017 at 7:43 am

    @NorthLeft12:

    Do they expect that the Dems will sellout completely to prevent a government shutdown?

    Yes. As I understand the “strategy”, such as it was, on health care, first they would blow up the ACA and kick everybody off insurance. Then the Dems would be so desperate to repair the damage they’d agree to anything calling itself “replace”.

    As a master plan it’s right up there with “the war will pay for itself with captured oil”.

    So I guess because it worked so well against the Dems on health care, it’s a cinch for the debt ceiling.

  44. 44.

    Baud

    March 30, 2017 at 7:43 am

    @Lurking Canadian:

    It’s hard to play chicken with somebody who is so fucking crazy he thinks the collision won’t hurt.

    FWIW, if it’s clean debt ceiling increase, I don’t think the Dems should fight it. Not one condition though.

  45. 45.

    rikyrah

    March 30, 2017 at 7:43 am

    I’m still in my feelings about last night’s Underground. I still don’t know how to deal with it. This show really should be used as a teaching curriculum about slavery.

  46. 46.

    Baud

    March 30, 2017 at 7:43 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Oh, snap!

  47. 47.

    pluky

    March 30, 2017 at 7:44 am

    @p.a.: with the seaport redevelopment the gentrification pressure on southie has seriously ratcheted up, but the old core is as insular as ever.

  48. 48.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    March 30, 2017 at 7:44 am

    Sam Stein @samsteinhp

    the craziest part of Trump polling at 35% is that he has not had to deal with a single external crisis yet.

    210 replies 1,677 retweets 4,693 likes

    Ezra Klein‏ @ezraklein

    I can’t get over the fact that Obama was more popular at 10% unemployment than Trump is at 4.7% unemployment:

    329 replies 2,695 retweets 5,917 likes

  49. 49.

    rikyrah

    March 30, 2017 at 7:45 am

    @Lurking Canadian:
    The debt ceiling was NEVER a problem until the Black man became President.???

  50. 50.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    March 30, 2017 at 7:46 am

    @Spaniel: Democrats are already on the enemies list.

  51. 51.

    rikyrah

    March 30, 2017 at 7:46 am

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:
    We knew that the 10% wasn’t Obama’s fault.
    And that the 4.7% should never be credited to Dolt45.
    Folks know the deal , Ezra.??

  52. 52.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    March 30, 2017 at 7:47 am

    @Baud: I’m sick, give me a break and I’ve been watching a Photoshop course.

  53. 53.

    Lillian Barron

    March 30, 2017 at 7:48 am

    @Hunter Gathers:Oh, what a lovely way to start the day! I could not have said it better. And you made me chuckle, which is always good!

  54. 54.

    SiubhanDuinne

    March 30, 2017 at 7:48 am

    @Baud:

    Maybe April Ryan can set it up.

    Once she stops shaking her head.

  55. 55.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    March 30, 2017 at 7:49 am

    Time it was
    And what a time it was, it was
    A time of innocence
    A time of confidences

    Long ago it must be
    I have a photograph
    Preserve your memories
    They’re all that’s left you.

    (photo)

  56. 56.

    James E Powell

    March 30, 2017 at 7:51 am

    @Lurking Canadian:

    It isn’t the Republicans who are crazy. It’s their voters. They are such fanatical bigots that no matter what the Republicans do, they won’t lose support. As we’ve seen in the last 15 years or so, the only time their voters turn on them is when they work with Democrats. On anything.

  57. 57.

    Baud

    March 30, 2017 at 7:51 am

    @James E Powell: This.

  58. 58.

    Baud

    March 30, 2017 at 7:52 am

    @SiubhanDuinne: So sassy.

  59. 59.

    artem1s

    March 30, 2017 at 7:52 am

    The White House is hoping black lawmakers could be the Democrats to play ball

    considering he didn’t know what the CBC was until a month ago, I suspect he has no idea WTF he is blathering on about here. He really does believe that anyone will fall for his Krazy Klown Kon. The CBC is not going to come to the WH, hat in hand and beg for an audience with him. I dare him to have a meeting with Maxine. She will blow that dead animal straight off his head.

  60. 60.

    Cermet

    March 30, 2017 at 7:53 am

    A CR is fine as long as the thugs don’t add riders; but a budget is another issue entirety and the dems need to strike a hard deal or walk away. But that is some time off.

  61. 61.

    OzarkHillbilly

    March 30, 2017 at 7:53 am

    Gun lobbyist group posts pictures of moms for gun safety; moms get death threats

    And they wonder why some people think they should lose their guns.

  62. 62.

    AxelFoley

    March 30, 2017 at 7:54 am

    @Hunter Gathers:

    The only thing to do right now is to drop an anvil on that pig fucker. He’s a loser, the people who work for him are losers and the people that voted for him are losers. Wallow in your own shit, White America. And go fuck yourselves.

    This.

  63. 63.

    germy

    March 30, 2017 at 7:55 am

    Does John McCain yearn for war? He’s been talking shit at the NK lunatic. Insulting his weight. WTF?

  64. 64.

    AxelFoley

    March 30, 2017 at 7:55 am

    The White House is hoping black lawmakers could be the Democrats to play ball

    Trump and his people are even stupider than I thought.

  65. 65.

    Kay

    March 30, 2017 at 7:57 am

    I just don’t see how it works. The more moderate Democrats he gets the more he loses conservative Republicans. He’d have to promise the conservative Republicans the tax cuts for rich people to get them on board and then he loses moderate Democrats, because moderate Democrats may want tax cuts for rich people but unlike Republicans moderate Democrats will look at budget numbers and the money for health care will have to be there. The whole “brand” of moderate Democrats is they say “no” – that’s their role in the Democratic Party.

    In 2010, he was one of the few to vote against final passage of President Obama’s health care bill.

    So he said “no” to a President of his own Party and that makes it more likely he’ll say “yes” to a really unpopular President not of his Party? No it doesn’t. It means he’ll probably say “no” which is (unsurprisingly) what he’s doing.

  66. 66.

    Baud

    March 30, 2017 at 8:00 am

    @AxelFoley: What they mean is they think black lawmakers are unprincipled and can be bought off with a small amount of cash in the budget.

  67. 67.

    beergoggles

    March 30, 2017 at 8:01 am

    Many Lynch voters are supporters of 45. I’ve canvassed that neighborhood and have to deal with these people on a daily basis.
    I’m pleasantly surprised by what Lynch said but I still wouldn’t vote for the guy.

  68. 68.

    Lurking Canadian

    March 30, 2017 at 8:05 am

    @Baud: Oh, yes, they should rubber stamp a clean debt ceiling bill. I’m just afraid there won’t be one. There will be a Debt Ceiling and Block Grant Medicaid bill, or a Debt Ceiling and Repeal ACA bill, or a Debt Ceiling and No More Taxing Capital Gains bill. I would be happy to be wrong on this point.

  69. 69.

    Cermet

    March 30, 2017 at 8:05 am

    Not a good morning since a co-worker I’ve known over ten years died yesterday afternoon at the gym while running on the tread mill here – just found out. Of course a heart attack cannot be generally predicted so one must wait until it happens and hope for the best (as one gets older this or cancer is a common occurrence. Still, better to work out than not. In any case, that type of issue is still an under researched medical condition (read – #1 killer that almost no one studies methods to prevent) and will get the majority of people someday, anyway.)

  70. 70.

    efgoldman

    March 30, 2017 at 8:08 am

    @p.a.:

    Maybe thing have changed?

    Southie isn’t Southie any more. For the last ten years, and probably the next 10-15, it is the hottest high-end housing and office district in the state, What was once a gritty working class neighborhood with doube- and triple- decj homes that were passed down for generations, it’s now a sea of high rise condo and office buildings, upscale restaurants, hotels around the convention center…
    Lynch is still the congresscritter, and as Anne said the seat is his for life, but the state senator in Bill Bulger’s old district is now a Haitian woman.

  71. 71.

    Betty Cracker

    March 30, 2017 at 8:09 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: That’s one reason I’m against the death penalty in all cases; it degrades the humanity of the people charged with carrying it out — even those of us who passively participate by paying for it. Also, it’s demonstrably racist in its application, etc.

  72. 72.

    Kay

    March 30, 2017 at 8:13 am

    I wouldn’t support the wall if I were a Republican because it’s guaranteed to be a huge, corrupt shit-show and that will go for years. It will take years to build that wall.

    President Donald Trump’s “wall” along the U.S.-Mexico border would be a series of fences and walls that would cost as much as $21.6 billion, and take more than three years to construct, based on a U.S. Department of Homeland Security internal report seen by Reuters on Thursday.
    The report’s estimated price-tag is much higher than a $12-billion figure cited by Trump in his campaign and estimates as high as $15 billion from Republican House Speaker Paul Ryan and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell.

    Trump is a horrible manager so double the cost and time estimates and add in a corruption investigation somewhere around Year Two.

  73. 73.

    Peale

    March 30, 2017 at 8:18 am

    @James E Powell: yep. Let’s see…the last time the government was shut down, the republicans were “punished” by the biggest electoral sweep in our history. Voters were so fed up with Republican antics that they gave them governorships in and senators all over the place. The Freedom caucus is correct here. Shut it down and keep it shut down though 2018. Nothing bad will happen to them. Democrats aren’t going to show up in mid terms. Republicans won’t miss the government.

  74. 74.

    OzarkHillbilly

    March 30, 2017 at 8:19 am

    @Betty Cracker: I am against the death penalty for so many reasons it would take all day just to list them. The idea that they would attempt 8 in 11 days? All because their last supplies of the drug are about to go past the expiration date? Hutchinson has no soul. He is in a rush to kill just so he can say he did.

  75. 75.

    Peale

    March 30, 2017 at 8:20 am

    @Kay: the fact that it will be a shit show and a very public failure is why I hope Democrats can’t block it. Let him build his wall and bury him under it.

  76. 76.

    WereBear

    March 30, 2017 at 8:21 am

    @Betty Cracker: Right. It could be said works as designed when implemented perfectly, and that’s not even tried for.

  77. 77.

    Betty Cracker

    March 30, 2017 at 8:21 am

    My guess is this “Trump wants to work with Democrats” garbage is just spite posturing aimed at the Freedumb Caucus. Trump is pissed off at them, so he’s doing what he always does — issuing childish threats. Meanwhile, my blue doggy-ish Senator Nelson has apparently signed on to filibuster Gorsuch. He must have seen some polling that scared the centrist out of him.

  78. 78.

    Betty Cracker

    March 30, 2017 at 8:23 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Let me guess — he ostentatiously declares himself a Christian too, right?

  79. 79.

    gene108

    March 30, 2017 at 8:24 am

    @Baud:

    Nepotism rules means a President cannot employ a relative. It does not prevent relatives from volunteering to help out.

    Edit: To clarify, Trump can’t put family on the payroll, but they can pitch in to help, without pay.

  80. 80.

    efgoldman

    March 30, 2017 at 8:25 am

    @Kay:

    it’s guaranteed to be a huge, corrupt shit-show and that will go for years. It will take years to build that wall.

    @Peale:

    Let him build his wall and bury him under it.

    I read last week that more than 600 companies have entered bids to get in on the graft and grift. Bet they’re all “cost plus” too.

  81. 81.

    Jeff R.

    March 30, 2017 at 8:25 am

    @efgoldman:

    All true about Southie. I work in the so-called South Boston Waterfront which 10 years ago was the brick wharf buildings where my office is and lots of parking lots. But even the old residential parts of Southie, the triple deckets and such, is heavily gentrified. And Lynch is a strong union guy, he actually was an iron worker and later an attorney for the union. He’s moderated on a lot of things including SSM.

    And re EF’s mention of the local state senator, she now hosts the infamous St. Patrick’s day breakfast. (Infamous for incredibly lame jokes.)

  82. 82.

    Hunter Gathers

    March 30, 2017 at 8:29 am

    @Betty Cracker:

    He must have seen some polling that scared the centrist out of him.

    Since the only people giving positive poll responses for Captain Pig Fucker and his Army Of Swine Rapists are The Deplorables, its not exactly a profile in courage. But we’ll take all the help we can get.

  83. 83.

    bupalos

    March 30, 2017 at 8:29 am

    @Betty Cracker: I don’t know betty. I think the Republicans generally have a real and permanent problem as far as governing. The bill has come due on promises they’ve made on completely non-existent vapor-issues that were designed to give their base a political cultural identity. The assumption was that these issues would keep them in a governing majority. But the reality is proving to be that since none of the base actually cares about the true functioning of these vapor issues, there is now no reason for them to make the slightest concession on any of it. You’re asking them to give up their identity in return for nothing.

    Faced with this reality, I do think the Trumpublicans are going to be increasingly desperate for Dem lifelines.

    We need to make sure this doesn’t happen on our side, btw. It’s a great time to have a real agenda (not just resist!) and start to lay the groundwork for getting it done when the election moves this balance in the other direction. Going ahead and pushing R’s to nuke the filibuster is probably a good part of this groundwork.

  84. 84.

    satby

    March 30, 2017 at 8:33 am

    @Cermet: Damn. Sorry to hear that!

  85. 85.

    MomSense

    March 30, 2017 at 8:33 am

    I go way back in Southie to the early 80s when I studied there and then in the late 80s and early 90s I did literacy work (spent lots of time in Villa Vittoria which is a place locals will know) and student teaching. Now it’s pretty well gentrified/ruined but even then it was a haven for people in the arts and LGBTQ community.

  86. 86.

    efgoldman

    March 30, 2017 at 8:36 am

    @Jeff R.:

    I work in the so-called South Boston Waterfront which 10 years ago was the brick wharf buildings where my office is and lots of parking lots.

    For six years thru 1974, I had my Army reserve drills at the old Boston Army Base (now Black Falcon Terminal on one side, was the Boston Design Center on the other, now something else). You could drive down there on a weekend morning and not see another car on Summer Street or Congress Street. Northern Avenue was still cobblestones, and a few of the old (19-teens) electric trucks were still used to haul fish on the pier.
    You could see the changes start to happen in that part of town when the courthouse went up; I worked at the Trade Center (formerly Commonwealth Pier) in the late 90s until 2001. You could see the change accelerating – the two office buildings and the hotel across the street, the convention center going up….
    Last time I was there was a Saturday around dinner time. The traffic! It’s impossible. I can’t imagine doing that commute any more.

  87. 87.

    MomSense

    March 30, 2017 at 8:38 am

    @Cermet:

    So sorry, Cermet. My dear friend would have died on the elliptical three years ago but the nurses who worked out at the same time kept her alive. Unfortunately her heart never fully recovered so she tries to make the best of things with a lot of limitation. In her case it was a virus that caused the heart problem. There are apparently a number of viruses that cause this and it is more common than I care to think about.

  88. 88.

    OzarkHillbilly

    March 30, 2017 at 8:39 am

    @Betty Cracker: It’s Arkansas. The question answers itself.

  89. 89.

    bupalos

    March 30, 2017 at 8:39 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: That is some stone cold stuff right there, my friend. Have to say, I enjoyed that one more than I should have.

  90. 90.

    Kay

    March 30, 2017 at 8:43 am

    @Peale:

    the fact that it will be a shit show and a very public failure is why I hope Democrats can’t block it. Let him build his wall and bury him under it.

    I don’t think they should block it either. Key to his ridiculous promise on the wall was that it be free. He didn’t just promise them a wall- he promised them a free wall. They’re going to get a very expensive abandoned construction site.

    We had Tea Party people take a majority on our city council for 2 years. They stopped renovation of the sheriff’s department building because they wanted to posture on frugality. It’s across from my office. It sat there, half-finished and abandoned for a year. Birds were nesting in the building and there was water damage. It became a kind of symbol of how they were bad managers and they lost their majority in the next election. It’s finished now.

  91. 91.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    March 30, 2017 at 8:49 am

    @rikyrah:

    He’s aiming to restore that 10% – conservatives need that in order to thrive politically.

    When U6 is at that level, it is an employers’ market. The wealth and power of the pinnacle of the status quo is magnified at the expense of the bottom. Religious grifters salve the uncertainty, and blame can be laid at the feet of cosmopolitan elites.

  92. 92.

    Baud

    March 30, 2017 at 8:51 am

    @gene108:

    Nepotism rules means a President cannot employ a relative. It does not prevent relatives from volunteering to help out.

    But why doesn’t this apply?

    An officer or employee of the United States Government or of the District of Columbia government may not accept voluntary services for either government or employ personal services exceeding that authorized by law except for emergencies involving the safety of human life or the protection of property. This section does not apply to a corporation getting amounts to make loans (except paid in capital amounts) without legal liability of the United States Government. As used in this section, the term “emergencies involving the safety of human life or the protection of property” does not include ongoing, regular functions of government the suspension of which would not imminently threaten the safety of human life or the protection of property.

  93. 93.

    MomSense

    March 30, 2017 at 8:52 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    WIN!

  94. 94.

    geg6

    March 30, 2017 at 8:54 am

    The White House is hoping black lawmakers could be the Democrats to play ball

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Is this the kind of messaging that Ivanka was given an office in the West Wing to produce?

  95. 95.

    Betty Cracker

    March 30, 2017 at 8:57 am

    @bupalos: Good point about the vapor-issues, and I agree that the Dems should throw anvils instead of lifelines. Let them fail and flail, mired in endless scandals.

  96. 96.

    Betty Cracker

    March 30, 2017 at 9:00 am

    @Baud: Honestly, I’d rather have politicians and/or unqualified hacks related by blood to politicians on the payroll than off it. That salary is important symbolically, even if Ivanka could produce a larger haul by shaking out her sofa cushions. The money means you work for us.

  97. 97.

    japa21

    March 30, 2017 at 9:00 am

    @Kay: There is an assumption that the contractor’s would actually be paid what they are promised. We all know that goes totally against Trump’s business ethos. So $12 billion is probably correct.

  98. 98.

    captnkurt

    March 30, 2017 at 9:04 am

    Why must everybody laugh at his mighty sword?

    OMG Anne, thank you for reminding me about “A Wedding In Cherokee County“!

    Now I’m relistening to my favoritest Randy Newman album ever.

  99. 99.

    bystander

    March 30, 2017 at 9:05 am

    @p.a.: The only time I ever felt endangered the ten years I spent in Boston from 1997 until 1998 was in Southie in broad daylight. Oh, and one time on the T when I foolishly was wearing a Yankees ballcap. Two drunks tried menacing me in the middle of the train. Boston may be a lot smaller than NYC but the a/hole to normal people ratio is way higher.

  100. 100.

    rikyrah

    March 30, 2017 at 9:05 am

    @Kay:

    I wouldn’t support the wall if I were a Republican because it’s guaranteed to be a huge, corrupt shit-show and that will go for years. It will take years to build that wall.

    That wall will not be built.
    There are only 3 ways to build it.
    1. On the American side.
    2. In the middle of the Rio Grande
    3. On the Mexican side.

    #3 isn’t an option…

    so, who’s going to tell all those American ranchers that eminent domain is gonna take their land.

    Uh huh.

  101. 101.

    rikyrah

    March 30, 2017 at 9:06 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    The idea that they would attempt 8 in 11 days? All because their last supplies of the drug are about to go past the expiration date? Hutchinson has no soul. He is in a rush to kill just so he can say he did.

    tell the truth

  102. 102.

    Kay

    March 30, 2017 at 9:06 am

    @japa21:

    It’s not the same as ripping off The Paint Spot in Florida though. Trump steals from small contractors because he knows they can’t carry the unpaid invoice. They also can’t afford to sue him for long. They probably ignore his past practices because it’s a big contract and they’re thrilled to get the work.

    This will be big national contractors. They will get paid.

  103. 103.

    OzarkHillbilly

    March 30, 2017 at 9:08 am

    @Betty Cracker: Good point.

  104. 104.

    Baud

    March 30, 2017 at 9:09 am

    @rikyrah: Trump, as a real estate developer is a huge fan of eminent domain.

    Trump’s budget shows he is getting ready to fight Americans for their land on the border

  105. 105.

    bystander

    March 30, 2017 at 9:10 am

    @Betty Cracker: Unless Ivanka is going to advise the POS on improving ways to go to fittings at the dressmaker, Louboutin vs. Clergerie, and best colorists in a three-block radius of the Puck Building, she’s out of her depth and area of expertise. Trump has to keep daughter-wife close by the way Moe and Larry had to be close with the cheese when Curly lapsed into fits.

    ETA Trump will probably not accept so much as a morsel of cheese from Melania without the Royal Taster in between them.

  106. 106.

    OzarkHillbilly

    March 30, 2017 at 9:12 am

    @bystander:

    The only time I ever felt endangered the ten years I spent in Boston from 1997 until 1998

    Heh. ;-) So “Boston years” are like “dog years” only worse?

  107. 107.

    O. Felix Culpa

    March 30, 2017 at 9:13 am

    @Peale:

    Democrats aren’t going to show up in mid terms.

    Strongly disagree. Times have changed and people are mobilized at a level I’ve never seen before. Dems at the grassroots level have already started organizing for midterms. In that, 45 may have done us a backhanded favor.

    Edited for grammar and clarity.

  108. 108.

    Peale

    March 30, 2017 at 9:13 am

    @Kay: yep. I’m thinking of forming a group “Democrats for the Wall”. Get myself some of that right wing cash. I’ll get media coverage. “Gay former liberal democrat, fed up with Obama immigration policy now wants a wall. See how Democrats have failed me” I’ll get my crew to engage in civil disobedience whenever the wall doesn’t meet my high standards. Those spots where it only cost effective to build a fence? Chain myself to the fence until they agree to replace the fence with a 40 foot wall. Build it right through the national parks. Make it as expensive an as unpopular as possible. Hell, shoot at me, please. I want “Trump shoots at border activists” headlines.

  109. 109.

    amk

    March 30, 2017 at 9:15 am

    @Baud: All kindsa shit including treason are being normalized under twitler and corrupt gopee. Dems better not be tools to any of this pos’ shenanigans.

  110. 110.

    japa21

    March 30, 2017 at 9:15 am

    @Kay: I forgot the sarcasm font.

  111. 111.

    Baud

    March 30, 2017 at 9:15 am

    Reuters

    U.S. House of Representatives Speaker Paul Ryan, the top Republican in Congress, said he does not want President Donald Trump to work with Democrats on new legislation for revamping the country’s health insurance system, commonly called Obamacare.

  112. 112.

    bystander

    March 30, 2017 at 9:15 am

    @Kay:

    This will be big national contractors. They will get paid.

    Not because of Trump but because the GSA will be cutting the checks from our collective bank account. It’s when creditors expect that welcher Trump will pay from his funds debts he has incurred.

  113. 113.

    Peale

    March 30, 2017 at 9:16 am

    @Baud: yep. Please, please, please, Trumpkins…make the wall as unjust to ranchers as possible.

  114. 114.

    Baud

    March 30, 2017 at 9:17 am

    @amk: I’m more concerned about people looking for signs of Dem failure than I am of Dem failure.

  115. 115.

    amk

    March 30, 2017 at 9:24 am

    @Baud: Have you heard of the term centrist repubs? Me neither.

  116. 116.

    Baud

    March 30, 2017 at 9:26 am

    @amk: I’ve heard of moderate Republican, but that’s a mirage.

    We have to deal with the reality that there are not enough progressive minded people in the country to expect complete parity.

  117. 117.

    amk

    March 30, 2017 at 9:28 am

    So much for twitler’s ‘outreach to dems’.

    It lasted for what, about 5 minutes?

  118. 118.

    japa21

    March 30, 2017 at 9:29 am

    @Baud: I think there are a lot more people who are progressive then we realize. It’s just that a large number of them don’t even realize that is what they are and would be horrified to be called progressive.

  119. 119.

    Fester Addams

    March 30, 2017 at 9:31 am

    The White House is hoping black lawmakers could be the Democrats to play ball

    Because the Trumpzies assume they’re all corrupt. And gullible. Because they’re, you know, black.

  120. 120.

    japa21

    March 30, 2017 at 9:31 am

    @amk: Some of the responses are hilarious.

  121. 121.

    rikyrah

    March 30, 2017 at 9:33 am

    @Betty Cracker:

    That salary is important symbolically, even if Ivanka could produce a larger haul by shaking out her sofa cushions. The money means you work for us.

    YES!!

  122. 122.

    amk

    March 30, 2017 at 9:35 am

    @japa21: He is dinging both the kkk kaukus and the dems. He is plain nuts.

  123. 123.

    Just One More Canuck

    March 30, 2017 at 9:36 am

    @gene108: how big will her expense account be?

  124. 124.

    The Moar You Know

    March 30, 2017 at 9:44 am

    Just no. No to anything from these people. They’ve wanted to run the government themselves without Dems for the last eight years. Let them. Let them dig their own graves.

  125. 125.

    Barbara

    March 30, 2017 at 9:47 am

    @Kay: There will also be legions of stories of people whose families have owned land for generations being pushed around by the federal government to give up their rights and their ability to use the Rio Grande for their cattle. Whatever you think of ranching in the southwest, and I don’t think much of it, it is obnoxious and outrageous that your property rights would be expropriated because a paranoid racist made a stupid pledge to get elected and now must execute it or lose face.

  126. 126.

    Baud

    March 30, 2017 at 9:48 am

    @japa21: Sorry, if they don’t realize it then they are not it. We can’t impose progressivism on others.

  127. 127.

    Chris

    March 30, 2017 at 9:48 am

    @O. Felix Culpa:

    Times have changed and people are mobilized at a level I’ve never seen before. Dems at the grassroots level have already started organizing for midterms.

    Agreed. I really freaking hope it lasts. That is to say, if we do win back enough of the government, we’re going to need the grassroots organization and enthusiasm to stick around.

  128. 128.

    Barbara

    March 30, 2017 at 9:50 am

    @Betty Cracker: One day Steve Bannon is fraternizing with Republicans to keep the toxic health cuts on the table only with more draconian provisions to keep the sociopaths on board. The next day Trump is reaching out to moderate Democrats. There is no strategy here. None at all. There is just endless grifting to see which sucker bites first.

  129. 129.

    Iowa Old Lady

    March 30, 2017 at 9:50 am

    @rikyrah: And if they work for us, they can’t, for instance, jet off on ski vacations any time they feel like it.

  130. 130.

    hovercraft

    March 30, 2017 at 9:50 am

    The White House is hoping black lawmakers could be the Democrats to play ball

    Um, has he met, or even heard of Maxine Waters? Her attitude towards him and the contempt she expresses is not an anomaly. The CBC, and yes I’m aware that up until a couple of months ago, he had no idea what that was, has been aware of him and his activities for decades. Asking the black man to prove he belongs, not only in this country, but at the elite institutions he attended, has not endeared him to the CBC.
    If that’s his ace in the hole, good luck!

  131. 131.

    Barbara

    March 30, 2017 at 9:53 am

    @Cermet: So sorry to hear this. I have had several co-workers who have died from heart attacks that were not preceded by any apparent warning, and it is hard to accept that they are gone so suddenly.

    @MomSense: I have a friend who died at the age of 28 from a virus that invaded her heart. It was shocking, and devastating to her family, with three small children including a newborn.

  132. 132.

    Barbara

    March 30, 2017 at 9:58 am

    @Baud: Of course he doesn’t. I mean, even I have difficulty fathoming the depth of Ryan’s sociopathic fealty to wealth, but one thing is certain, having any Democratic involvement means people will end up with benefits and that means other people will not get their tax cuts. That is the ONLY thing Ryan lives for. Nothing else matters. We could be standing in the middle of nuclear rubble and Ryan would still be scheming to give wealthy people tax cuts.

  133. 133.

    rikyrah

    March 30, 2017 at 9:59 am

    @Barbara:

    I have a friend who died at the age of 28 from a virus that invaded her heart. It was shocking, and devastating to her family, with three small children including a newborn.

    I was naive. I had never heard of a heart having a virus, until I saw on public access television a fundraiser for a childhood friend’s brother. Had known her family from around 6 years old until they moved away during high school. Her little brother was 16.

  134. 134.

    rikyrah

    March 30, 2017 at 10:02 am

    @Barbara:

    Of course he doesn’t. I mean, even I have difficulty fathoming the depth of Ryan’s sociopathic fealty to wealth, but one thing is certain, having any Democratic involvement means people will end up with benefits and that means other people will not get their tax cuts. That is the ONLY thing Ryan lives for. Nothing else matters. We could be standing in the middle of nuclear rubble and Ryan would still be scheming to give wealthy people tax cuts.

    Keep on with the truth

  135. 135.

    hovercraft

    March 30, 2017 at 10:03 am

    @debbie:

    he doesn’t have the kind of charm required to achieve that.

    But the media keeps telling me that he’s so charming in person! Katy Tur, who he kept targeting at all his rallies says that one on one he’s a real charmer.

    @rikyrah:

    If the government shuts down, it’s on them. Period.???

    You got to love the media, the GOP screwed Obama at every turn, in unprecedented ways, and now that it’s time for payback, they want to charge the democrats with hypocrisy? Fuck these people, for every action there is a reaction. This is ours, go fuck yourselves.
    You built this!!

  136. 136.

    hovercraft

    March 30, 2017 at 10:11 am

    @Betty Cracker:

    That salary is important symbolically, even if Ivanka could produce a larger haul by shaking out her sofa cushions. The money means you work for us.

    Technically she is hauling in a lot more from us right now, it’s just not in the form of a paycheck. But looting the treasury and enjoying all the perks of an official makes her accountable to us, whether it’s official or not. Tiffany can maintain whatever privacy she wants, Lucretia on the other hand has forfeited any such rights.

  137. 137.

    a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio)

    March 30, 2017 at 10:12 am

    @David Canadian Anchor Baby Koch: More like one of those big flats you can get at Costco.

  138. 138.

    schrodingers_cat

    March 30, 2017 at 10:12 am

    @hovercraft:

    But the media keeps telling me that he’s so charming in person! Katy Tur, who he kept targeting at all his rallies says that one on one he’s a real charmer.

    Media whores are paid to write and say shit like that about Republicans.

  139. 139.

    Rathskeller

    March 30, 2017 at 10:13 am

    @Baud: not just a small amount of cash, but apparently for neighborhood basketball programs and the like. That’s how I read Barro’s article.

  140. 140.

    schrodingers_cat

    March 30, 2017 at 10:13 am

    Good for Lynch he has more sense than those who say that Democrats should cooperate with T on healthcare and infrastructure.

  141. 141.

    El Caganer

    March 30, 2017 at 10:25 am

    Sure, the Dems can make a deal. They can offer Ulysses Grant terms – immediate and unconditional surrender. Anything else would be worthless…unless, of course, you trust Trump…..

  142. 142.

    evodevo

    March 30, 2017 at 10:40 am

    @Iowa Old Lady: I would say that was within the realm of probability, considering Chump’s general level of tone-deaf … “Hey! She’s a winner! Everybody would like to meet with her! Of course they will work with us for that privilege! She’s black, right?”

  143. 143.

    Barbara

    March 30, 2017 at 10:57 am

    @rikyrah: My grandmother’s heart problems were caused by having rheumatic fever as a child, and in an earlier age this was much more common. The heart is such a strong muscle that you can live with some compromise until your mid-50s, and then the natural weakening of age compounded by iatregenic or congenital damage becomes problematic.

  144. 144.

    Это курам на смех

    March 30, 2017 at 10:58 am

    @germy:

    Does John McCain yearn for war?

    Does the sun rise in the east?

  145. 145.

    Uncle Cosmo

    March 30, 2017 at 11:10 am

    @hovercraft: Hang on, I thought the CBC was the Can-“eh, Jen” Broadcorping Castration…

  146. 146.

    Uncle Cosmo

    March 30, 2017 at 11:18 am

    @Cermet: Almost exactly what happened to legendary quarterback John Unitas…on the first anniversary of 9-11. No sign, no warning–bang, gone. (Unitas was 69.) Condolences.

  147. 147.

    Debbie1

    March 30, 2017 at 11:35 am

    @rikyrah: No I know, right? And the person who wrote that veiled warning to Democrats not to appear hypocritical, I say Ha! Like that ever hurt Republicans. The press never brought it up during elections & now look at the political landscape.

  148. 148.

    TomatoQueen

    March 30, 2017 at 12:03 pm

    @Baud: In my agency, SSA, the question of volunteering comes up with every threatened and real shutdown, as we GS8s all offer to volunteer so we can get our work done, knowing what it’s like to come back to The Pile, and the supervisors, who are GS9s and above, tell us thanks but we can’t allow you to because this is routine daily work being shut down. Then, we get told we are on the excepted employees list so we can continue to do our work and get called back early. or never go out on furlough at all if luck and/or sense return. That way, the retirement and disability payments continue without interruption, the application process continues, and the court deadlines are met. “An officer or employee of the United States Government or of the District of Columbia government may not accept voluntary services for either government or employ personal services exceeding that authorized by law except for emergencies involving the safety of human life or the protection of property. This section does not apply to a corporation getting amounts to make loans (except paid in capital amounts) without legal liability of the United States Government. As used in this section, the term “emergencies involving the safety of human life or the protection of property” does not include ongoing, regular functions of government the suspension of which would not imminently threaten the safety of human life or the protection of property.” Ivanka needs to take the dollar in the dollar-a-year salary tradition, and pretend to be part of that group of worthies, rather than strike out on her own as something unprecedented, cos otherwise she’s a grifter in a new grifter’s hat.

  149. 149.

    Miss Bianca

    March 30, 2017 at 1:11 pm

    @Betty Cracker: Wrote a letter to Senator Bennett this morning. Bolster, bolster, bolster those wavering Dems!
    @rikyrah: They’re already sending letters to private landowners along the border – we’ll see how that works out…

  150. 150.

    Ella in New Mexico

    March 30, 2017 at 1:19 pm

    @Hunter Gathers:

    The only thing to do right now is to drop an anvil on that pig fucker. He’s a loser, the people who work for him are losers and the people that voted for him are losers. Wallow in your own shit, White America. And go fuck yourselves.

    This, to me, is the number one best attitude to have right now: let the dumbasses who voted these people get a nice taste of the misery they brought on themselves. Then proceed to destroy the illusion of Trump being anything but a corrupt motherfucker. Illuminate the truth about the Republican Party today and watch it die a nasty death over the next two years.

    Of course, Dems need to keep on objecting, keep on talking about all the reasons these guys are outrageously fucking over their own voters. But NO quarter for these assholes, as tempting as it might be to protect Americans from their evil deeds. No compromising, no collaboration, no bipartisanship on anything other than getting the truth out on the Russia story and all it’s delicious tentacles. Demand accountability, demand a special prosecutor, demand indictments.

    The only thing Dems need to be doing is being the sane, decent, law-abiding party of caring, practical, truth-based, common-sense policies for a 21st Century America.

  151. 151.

    Ella in New Mexico

    March 30, 2017 at 1:30 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Given his rich personal experience, that sounds like arrogant negligence to Allen Ault. “If the governor is so hot on this, he ought to go down to the death chamber and do it himself. But he won’t, they don’t, they never do. Politicians are never in the room when it happens, they never have to suffer anything.”

    Someone needs to tell the people who will be tasked to commit these executions that they don’t have to show up for work that day or any other day. There ARE other jobs out there.

  152. 152.

    Camassia

    March 30, 2017 at 1:49 pm

    Sigh. Please stop comparing indigenous tribal people and ‘tribal traditions’ to Republican idiots. We have enough problems without using terms that refer to our peoples as also referring to raving assholes. Thank you. Signed, an actual tribal citizen (and no, that isn’t a bad thing, and no I am not an alcoholic and no I do not own a casino)

  153. 153.

    ruckus

    March 30, 2017 at 4:22 pm

    @japa21:
    12 billion is the starting bribe pool. You know that the real cost would end up far more. And that’s not even counting all the fuck ups from hiring all the wrong people and then stiffing them and having to start over every six months.

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