How many centuries until we recover from the Puritans? This country would be so much more pleasant if more people smoked pot. At least a helluva lot less stressed out and potentially a bit more introspective.
That would be nice.
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akaoni
Good for her!
HumboldtBlue
I have two cats who over the past few years have decided they want to live with me and I smoke a bowl in front of them all the time. I’m not cool like Etheridge cuz I don’t let them smoke but they get all the nip they want!
Formerly disgruntled in Oregon
Oh my. Next, you’ll be telling me that she consumes alcoholic beverages with her (adult) children!
The Moar You Know
Legal as of right now in my state…and you’d be an idiot to go buy some. Sessions and Trump are going to crack down on the weed trade in a manner that will leave everyone horrified.
Xenos
I have teenage son who needs some deprogramming from some right-wing nonsense he has been picking up from the internet. He is not mean-spirited, but just does not appreciate how hard a time the majority of people have had it.
Still, though, when he comes home from school complaining that the majority of his fellow students are “pot-smoking communists” my immediate reaction is that I wish more of his friends were pot-smoking communists. They sound like nice kids to me!
Mart
I smoke weed with my adult daughter who is a licensed grower in CO. It would be rude not to try her products. Actually I smoke with both my adult kids, started when they were 18 and 20. We had all “busted” each other years earlier, so why the hell not.
efgoldman
Considering who’ sitting in the big chair at DOJ….
TenguPhule
Except that a whole bunch of unpleasant Libertarians smoke pot. And then vote to punch colored folks, the poor, women and everyone else not them.
slag
No way. Smells awful. Keep it indoors with the windows shut.
EriktheRed
Still remember my days as a stoner US soldier. I’ll admit that in some (ok, most) ways a zero-tolerance policy in the military is necessary, but still, there are a lot of guys there who could really use a good high every now and then.
PS: In case I didn’t tell you already, John, I was in the Cav, too.
TenguPhule
@The Moar You Know:
Sadly, not everyone. The law and order winger authoriterians are gonna have a ball.
debbie
Puritanism will never die out. it keeps popping up in different forms.
TenguPhule
@slag: This. People who smoke pot in their dorms and let the smoke get into the heating system for the whole dorm so the smell goes everywhere, need to be dumped in the darkest cell and the key thrown away.
Some of us are allergic, bastards.
EriktheRed
@The Moar You Know: I think I’ll take my chances anyway when I go to visit one of those states soon.
Splitting Image
@TenguPhule:
This, unfortunately. The joke about a Libertarian being a Republican who smokes weed hits home for a reason. Of the group I used to hang out with, it was the hippie pothead who eventually became a Gamergater. Once he hit 35 or so, he discovered that, except for legalizing pot, every civil-rights movement (but especially feminism) was being pushed by a bunch of whiners. And that everybody but him and possibly Scott Adams was a moron.
Brachiator
We are finding out a great deal from the experience of Colorado and other states that have legalized marijuana. It is not evil, but neither is it always as benign as people think.
For example:
This is rare, but real, observable, measurable.
The bottom line is that legalization also allows for more realistic and thorough consideration of all the effects of the drug.
ETA: There is some interesting research on marijuana to produce different “fragrances” to enhance the value of commercial weed.
Mike in NC
When will CNN complain about Trump’s adult kids traveling around the world to shoot big game and tend to business deals at taxpayer expense? “Never” sounds like the correct answer.
TenguPhule
@Xenos:
Have you shown him the neo-nazi sucker punching that woman yet?
Gelfling 545
@Xenos: “does not appreciate how hard a time the majority of people have had it.”
Because whose life is harder than a US teenager’s? In the opinion of many of them, nobody. Gleaned from msny years of teaching adolescents.
bemused
@The Moar You Know:
I’d love to see the evil little troll Sessions properly stoned and keep him that way for a week or so.
TenguPhule
@bemused: Granite or shale?
bemused
@TenguPhule:
Let’s see if he mellows out first.
greennotGreen
I used to be suspicious of “medical marijuana,” thinking that in many, if not most cases it was an excuse to get high (not that there’s anything wrong with that.) But since my oncologist prescribed the synthetic form (only form legal in my state,) I have found it to be a wonderful drug for alleviating nausea, pain, and improving my mood which can get pretty bleak just after chemo. I would rather just be able to take a toke when I need it than have to swallow a 2.5 or 5mg pill that’s expensive and has to be kept refrigerated. Much easier to calibrate the dose, faster relief, and probably a good deal cheaper. Jeff Sessions and his Puritanical ilk can kiss my butt. How dare they try to take away something that provides so much help to those of us who were dealt a poor hand when the game was health! Of course, I’m much luckier than he is in that I have both a brain and a heart, and he has neither.
SatanicPanic
@Brachiator: With all due respect, this is something that develops in stoners after years of use and stops if they quit? Kinda seems like something you’d only bring up to scare people.
Kryptik
@Xenos:
I dunno how anecdotal it is on my part, but it really does feel like the younger generation is turning out to be more conservative and far less empathetic than the ones before it, despite the supposed evolving opinions on social issues and “demographic inevitability” talked about before. Just…the seeding of meme culture, 4chan ‘humor’, and the savvy of nationalist and white supremacist groups in harnessing the power of social media, it feels like the entire generation has already had its heart hardened and risen assholishness into a virtue, mocking “safe spaces” and treating “SJWs” as the grandest sort of evil on the face of this earth, and the only way to fight them is to undo every single bit of civil rights and social progress and, yes, “Make America Great Again”.
And if they’re not full on Trumpsters, they’re Berners that have shown precious little tolerance for social issues or “identity politics” and are ok with upturning everything long as they can stick it to “Hilbots”.
Ian G.
Puritanism? C’mon, banning the Mexican weed was pure racist hysteria against them swarthy Spanish speakers, just as prohibition was hysteria over various Catholic immigrant groups (Irish, Germans, Italians) with whom alcohol was associated.
It always comes back to racial hysteria in this country.
schrodingers_cat
@Kryptik: FWIW, I live next to a college town, most Bernie or busters I knew were older hippies. Most younger Bernie supporters I knew switched to Hillz and even canvassed for her. Anecdata, but still.
Ian G.
Also, I, an adult, have smoked weed with my stepmother.
Yarrow
@Mike in NC: CNN will never complain about the Trump kids doing anything. Our media is useless. I’m taking some comfort in reading things like this:
And this:
We’ll see how it all plays out.
les
Smoke Pot?????? You can’t even buy beer in KS on Easter. We’ll never be rid of the bible thumpers.
Brachiator
@SatanicPanic:
With all due respect, I said it was rare, and the quote I noted also said it was rare. Some medical people evaluating the Colorado experiment said that they are seeing it more often.
But let me make my point more explicit. When weed was stupidly classified alongside of heroin, and medical investigation of its effects severely limited, nobody could learn anything about the effects of the drug. Legalization also allows more legitimate research. Otherwise, any claims about how good or bad marijuana is never rises above the clouds of useless anecdote.
Also, did I say rare side effect? If not, let me say it again. Rare. And not being a doctor, I did not guess as to what else besides long term use, might put smokers at risk.
ruemara
@Xenos: Please have family viewing night of documentaries reflecting the experiences of POC, women & LGBTQIA persons. Then discuss. Trust me, your gentle remonstrance isn’t push back enough.
schrodingers_cat
@les: Have you lived in NY or MA? They have the most ridiculous liquor licensing laws.
Roger Moore
@HumboldtBlue:
I still find it odd that we give pets recreational drugs and nobody thinks anything of it.
Yarrow
@Xenos:
Perhaps use it as a teaching opportunity. Ask him where he gets his information. Teach him about providing two sources to back up his assertion. Ask him if whatever he’s stating (“pot smoking communists”) is really true–do they really smoke pot, how does he know, are they really communists, how does he know that. When he says “majority of students” how many exactly is he talking about?
hellslittlestangel
Just what the fuck is an “adult kid,” anyway? Is that like an adult baby?
Roger Moore
@bemused:
Wouldn’t he be very permanently dead after a proper stoning?
ruemara
@Roger Moore: They don’t have to operate heavy machinery.
Roger Moore
@schrodingers_cat:
Spoken like someone who has never visited Utah.
HumboldtBlue
@Ian G.:
I once went on a 48-hour crack binge with my girlfriend’s father and stepmom. That was in the mid-80s and that freebasing was the best fucking high I ever got — the only high that came close was shrooms I did two years earlier and I had a fucking blast.
Haven’t gone near it since.
@Roger Moore:
I think you’ve got a pet safety PSA in the works. “Meow, meeeoooowwww, meow purr purr purr meeeooowwwww” Translation – “I learned it from you!”
lamh36
Dementia…?
Question, was Paul Ryan there, happily clapping along…smh
kindness
I started smoking pot with my daughter when she was 17. Her mom waited till she was 18 and we both refused to allow under age friends to smoke anything in the house.
Crazy libs we are. Now she’s in her 30’s and barely smokes at all any more. By the same token I hardly smoke as much as I used to too.
@EriktheRed: Funny story. I’m another Deadhead and the SF Bay Area used to have a lot of military bases around it. So I’d see a bunch of military guys at the shows. I can remember several times where we’d offer them the pipe and they’d decline because they didn’t want to get busted from the piss tests. But they ate the acid. They don’t test for that they told us.
MomSense
@Brachiator:
Whoever came up with the skunk smelling type is a yuuge jerk. My dog that stuff is hideous. Someone smokes that stuff near my office and I swear it sticks to me even though I rush by that apartment building.
ruckus
John
Remember that the Puritans didn’t come here because they were being prosicuted, they came here so they could prosicuit.
Villago Delenda Est
@The Moar You Know: Sessions and Donald need to find a fire to die in.
bemused
@Yarrow:
Mensch seems to have legit info but leery of her conclusions. Sure hope she’s right and I wouldn’t be surprised if it was true. The Trump family traits of stupidity combined with entitlement shows they think they are untouchable.
geg6
@Kryptik:
As a person who works with young adults every day and have done so for over twenty years, I beg to differ. My anecdotal evidence says the current college age kids are not nearly the assholes the same age group twenty years ago were (and often still are). I like the current youngs quite a bit. Yes, there are assholes among them, but most are pretty great.
Chet Murthy
@SatanicPanic: I read Brachiator’s post as more of a “it’s not all sweetness and light”. And he’s right. samefacts.com (Harold Pollack, Mark Kleiman, & crew) have done excellent work documenting the downsides of legalized pot, while being clear that they still support it — just not complete commercialization.
I suggest that a way of thinking of it is: alcohol has a ton of downsides, as does tobacco. We legalized them in the wrong way — e.g. cray-cray unlimited advertising, massive firms pushing the stuff. We have a chance to do it differently this time. And a careful consideration of the downsides, might help us to do that.
Of course, we have to remember that pot is less dangerous than booze overall. But again, that doesn’t mean it’s harmless.
Yarrow
@lamh36: Maybe dementia. Or…
sukabi
@Roger Moore: after a proper biblical stoning? Yes, very dead.
Patricia Kayden
@slag: Right there with you. Get the hell off of my lawn with that nasty stuff!!
SatanicPanic
@Brachiator: I get your point, I’m just saying if that were an example of it having some negative side effects it’s kind of like.. well yeah, I guess that’s bad. I thought there would be something worse. YMMV.
ETA- sorry I wasn’t trying to poop on your post. Seems like something useful for stoners to know.
Mike J
The kids are alright
https://twitter.com/MatthewACherry/status/854386227713163264
ruckus
I stopped smoking weed in March 1984. Personal decision, thought then and still do that weed should be legal. It has created a huge criminal class in this country and that is bullshit. And from that the private prison business has grown. It boggles the mind how far some have to stick their heads up other people’s business.
Roger Moore
@ruckus:
More specifically, they had the same attitude that so many of today’s conservatives have: not being allowed to enforce their views on others constituted persecution.
schrodingers_cat
@Roger Moore: Guilty as charged. Do the Mormons outdo the Yankees?
Cain
@HumboldtBlue:
I don’t think that would work for me. I’m a huge control freak and controlling “unapproved emotions” will probably trigger a panic attack. Drugs is really about surrender honestly and I won’t do that. Too much pot will do the same thing. (it has happened) I should stay away from drugs.
Oatler.
alcohol means pleasure means orgasm BAN
pot means pleasure means orgasm BAN
nudity means pleasure means orgasm BAN
People scorn me because I call American christianity a middle eastern sex cult. Also because I’m a butt-ugly druggie.
Josie
@les: I’m in Texas and have to wait until 12:00 noon every Sunday to buy my wine for the week. I have learned to shop for my groceries during church hour and wait to check out until the stroke of 12:00. So ridiculous.
Brachiator
@Chet Murthy:
Yep. Well said. Thanks.
Cain
@geg6:
I agree. Current crop of people are pretty awesome and not nearly as self destructive as GenX people were.
Cain
@Oatler.:
This is also why we have a lot of cults where sex is okay because we make it so taboo.
Thinly Veiled Pseudonym
I dunno.
Today’s bud is terribly potent.
As with the best hash, one must take some care not to get so wrecked that real life suffers.
I really wish it weren’t *all* quite so good; it’s as if alcohol was available mostly as 101-proof Wild Turkey.
I miss the ability to contemplatively smoke half a joint and get a moderate buzz.
So I smoke, but I’m no longer able to smoke more than two hits and get up the next morning.
My kids know I smoke (I go out to the end of the backyard and come back reeking of skunk).
One of them smokes, and it doesn’t seem to be hurting her.
One of them seems to have decided from watching me that dope is not for him, but he likes beer (an Allagash Tripel fan)
I’ve swapped a bit of bud with the one who smokes, but we never smoke together, and hardly ever in front of each other.
A Ghost to Most
My Trainwreck and I are just fine. That bastard Sessions can try and take it.
I don’t think it will happen easily here in CO, or in any other sensible state.
lamh36
Good he’s a snake. And you can bet, if the Murdochs dont’ get rid of him now…he’ll continue to think he’s untouchable, and his sexual predation WILL escalate…
TriassicSands
@The Moar You Know:
Sessions is really scary. So much ignorance and malevolence packed into such a small package. I, too, live in a legalized state and people are nervous about the return to the dark ages. The potential upside could be the outrage that Sessions’ thuggery causes. I haven’t seen any polls in Colorado or Washington State looking at post-legalization attitudes, but it’s pretty obvious that legalization didn’t bring about the end of civilization as we know it. People like Sessions will never be convinced by any amount of evidence undermining their own small-minded bigotry, but it’s hard to believe that in states that voted to legalize, the percentage of people with neutral or favorable attitudes hasn’t gone up. Aggressively going after legal marijuana trade could be a mistake. We can only hope it is one more thing (should it happen) that sours people on Trump and his barbaric entourage.
hovercraft
@Xenos:
Your son is Alex Keaton?
Roger Moore
@schrodingers_cat:
I think so. In Utah:
1) Grocery and convenience stores may only sell 3.2% (4% ABV) beer. Any packaged alcohol stronger than that may only be purchased from a state-run liquor store. Naturally, state liquor stores are closed on Sundays.
2) Restaurants (distinguished from bars by receiving at least 50% of their revenue from food) can only serve alcohol to customers who also purchase food.
3) Also, restaurants must hide their bartender behind a “Zion curtain” that blocks the view of alcohol preparation from the customers.
Miss Bianca
@efgoldman: Meanwhile… The AG is Having a Sad over the fact that no one seems to be joining him on his anti-cannabis crusade…
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/13/jeff-sessions-surprised-americans-marijuana/
Roger Moore
@Oatler.:
The more pleasant form is. The less pleasant form is a middle eastern death cult.
Gvg
Well I don’t smoke pot nor like it but think it needs to be legalized here. The side effects of prohibition combined with toxic racism and greed worship have been very bad.
I do hope we will do a smart job of legalizing it and not throw it wide open so bad side effects scare/justify banning it again. My first concern is it not impact me negatively. I hated smoking and love that smokers no longer are able to inflict their smoke on me very often. So duplicate smoking laws, right? My sister is asthmatic and for her it’s even more of a big deal. All smoke of any kind is some degree of bad for lungs tho nicotine had extra issues. How have the states who legalized dealt with that? The last time I was out west they had a lot more public smoking than Florida and it was hard to get a smoke free hotel room.
Some jobs like driving would still have legitimate need for no toking on the job but tests I have heard of detect any smoke in like 30 days? That is too sensitive to be useful. Are there tests more like alcohol to detect a useful impairment?
SatanicPanic
Shooting in Fresno.
I’m sure the president will have something to say
kindness
@Cain: Surrender honesty? What?!????
Do you really mean that or did it sound good typing it?
The Pale Scot
@Xenos:
Seems like you could shut that down by handing him a check for two weeks pay at minimum and then kicking him out on his ass.
The Pale Scot
@Roger Moore: More weight, a lot more weight,
Like this much weight
Stoning – Monty Python’s Life of Brian
HumboldtBlue
@Gvg:
Right.
Here is a link to some quick facts about Prop 64 recently approved in California.
Loneoak
What’s the point of having adult children, if not to have some more smoking buddies?
The Pale Scot
@ruckus: Prosciutto??
jo6pac
JC there will a knock on the door around midnight then they will break it down in the name of Motherland Security. Please do as they say;)
Panama Red one of my Fav. by Riders of the Purple Sage
germy
@lamh36:
Franken vs. O’Reilly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TISf3noZW9c
Mike J
Georgia 06
http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/GA/Fulton/67378/Web02/#/
http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/GA/Cobb/67351/Web02/#/
germy
they’re attacking the shit out of Ossoff, so I guess they see him as the #1 threat.
I haven’t heard them say a peep about the other demoncraps
lamh36
@germy: I see Tweety tried his “playing Hardball” bullshit with the GA Dem Osoff yesterday…but the young man didn’t give him shit…good for him
F.U. Tweety
efgoldman
@hellslittlestangel:
That’s just a dumb question. My daughter is 36 (an adult) with a family of her own. She’s also my kid, and always will be.
Mnemosyne
@Brachiator:
Yes, “benign for most people” is not the same as “completely harmless.” As a random example, one of my coworkers found out the hard way that she’s severely allergic to sorghum flour and now can’t eat most gluten-free foods. That doesn’t mean that sorghum flour is inherently bad, but it does mean that people who report having bad effects from a “harmless” substance shouldn’t be accused of lying, as I’ve seen some people do when some people say that they had a bad reaction to marijuana.
efgoldman
@lamh36:
Who paid the settlements that brought all this bullshit to the surface, Billo or Faux? Because it’s a lot of money, even for a TV network.
Keith P.
@Loneoak: And for getting them better weed.
Yarrow
@germy: When do the polls close in Georgia? Have they already closed?
brendancalling
Well, if it makes you feel better, I smoke every day.
patroclus
They’ve closed – but there aren’t any results as yet.
Seanly
@efgoldman:
I get what he means. By including the term kids in there, CNN is negating the word adult and coloring everyone’s impression of the item. This is not a mistake or just saying kids to save typing more letters. You don’t say CNN saying “Trump appoints his adult kid to special advisor”.
On the topic of weed, my company (based in CO) says they will abide by federal standards, not state, since we have federal contracts & have to give everyone the same chance to get randomly drug tested. So no pot for me even if my state (ID) went for legalization (which it won’t anytime soon).
TenguPhule
@Villago Delenda Est: Wait, I think Barbara has some objections to that she’d like to bring up.
TenguPhule
@brendancalling: Have you tried immersing yourself in water to stop the flames?
TenguPhule
@Brachiator: And some of us are allergic to it and would greatly appreciate it if the stuff was only done in personal private areas, not in public or buildings where others can’t escape from it.
JPL
@Yarrow: Two north Fulton precincts are staying open an hour longer, because of earlier problems. I’ve been working all day for a local council race which is non-partisan. The two places I have been back and forth to had lines out the door. Since they are extremely conservative sites, I don’t think this is good news for Jon breaking the fifty percent mark. I was a tad disillusioned, but when I just got home, it appears the opposite is happening in Sandy Springs.
Since No. Fulton reports last, don’t be excited about early Ossoff leads. , He’ll win, but there will be a runoff in my opinion.
IMO, I think Karen Handel would be the easiest to beat, if that is even possible. It’s a sixty/forty district and it should not be close at all, but it is.
TriassicSands
@Miss Bianca:
Thanks for the link (What the heck are you doing reading the Washington Times?) The article is full of idiocy from Sessions.
He says pot is “only slightly less awful” than heroin. Wow, that could win almost any contest for sheer stupidity.
He’s also no stranger to transparently bogus arguments. (His favorite pastime must going fishing for red herring with his straw men buddies.) “I reject the idea that America will be a better place if marijuana is sold in every corner store.” Gee, and so does every state that has legalized marijuana whether for medical or recreational use. How can anyone take such a buffoon seriously — apart from the fact that he has the power of the federal government backing up his stupidity?
And, of course, everyone’s favorite: “Good people don’t smoke marijuana.” I’d modify that slightly — “Good people are racists.”
Brachiator
@Mnemosyne:
Yep.
That’s why legalizing weed should be seen as an experiment that we learn from, and not some simplistic vindication of pot power.
But the evil weed nonsense of Jeff Sessions and other anti-marijuana people should be rejected. In listening to the debates about legalization in California, the opponents who were least convincing were prosecutors and police officials. They also had the fewest facts to support their position.
Steeplejack
@kindness:
“Honestly,” not “honesty.”
I read it as “Drugs is really about surrender, honestly, and I won’t do that.”
?BillinGlendaleCA
@germy: I heard of that discussion between Bill’o and Sen. Franken, I think from Molly Ivins(she’s over to Orally’s right). I didn’t realize the venue, that’s the same hall my wife had her citizenship swearing.
efgoldman
@TriassicSands:
He just lives in that holy roller, bible thumper, hypocrisy bubble.
ETA: The same one where the RWNJ women haters who get abortions for their girlfriends live.
Yarrow
@patroclus: @JPL: Thanks for the update! It’s exciting. I saw that Bill Kristol called for Ossoff to win something just over 50% so that must mean there will be a runoff for sure.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@MomSense: Gawd, I had a guy rolling a joint across from me on the train; damn that smell was powerfully bad.
Chet Murthy
@A Ghost to Most: AGM, gotta tell you, Sessions won’t be enforcing state laws — he’ll be enforcing Federal laws, and those take precedence (remember supremacy clause in constitution). There was a well-reported case on CA of a guy who set up a pot farm operation completely aboveboard (including accountants and paying his taxes). He started a young family. When the feds sentenced him to -prison-, he said “Oh! If I’d known I could go to jail for this, I’d have never started!” It’s a -purely- Federal matter. Sessions and his boss are the ones who get to decide whether the DEA and the USA come down on all our asses.
BTW, I don’t smoke pot. But I was planning to learn how, once the new DOJ guidance (“we won’t prosecute in states where it’s legal”) came out, after Hillary’s election. I’d read that it was in the works, etc, etc, etc. Well, guess I’ll have to wait a few years/decades longer.
Please, don’t assume they won’t fnck you up, just b/c it’s no longer a state crime.
Eric S.
@Splitting Image: there are a few reformed pot smoking libertarians in my group. Oh, they still smoke …
amk
AP livefeed on GA 06
JPL
@Yarrow: lol The gal that I waved signs with said exactly the same thing.
Turnout was crazy in my conservative area. Trumps robo calls must have helped because there were lots of old white males.
TenguPhule
@TriassicSands:
Trump: Hold my beer.
TriassicSands
@TriassicSands:
Sorry, that”s “Good people AREN’T racists.”
Mike J
Jon Ossoff
6,761 71.3%
Karen Handel
1,023 10.8
lamh36
Statement from Bill O’Reilly’s lawyer…BWHAHAHAHA…So Media Matter and Soros and DKOS are to blame for O’Really’s sexual predator ways being made public…bwhahaha
https://twitter.com/grace_lightning/status/854479866154041344
BWHAHAHAHA
TenguPhule
Speaking of clown shoes The armada actually hasn’t headed to Korea yet.
Trump is bluffing with no cards. This is not going to end well.
??? Martin
@The Moar You Know: Pot is the largest revenue crop in California by a factor of 4, and is about to be legitimized. That will prove irresistible to big agra. Political money will follow.
TriassicSands
@efgoldman:
It’s still hard to imagine how anyone can be so far gone that they make statements that ridiculous and so obviously contrary to all the evidence. You’re right though, that environment cripples people mentally and morally.
patroclus
@Yarrow: The new update is that no results have been reported as yet! Kristol has been making sense lately – let’s hope he’s right tonight.
The leading candidate for the Republicans – Karen Handel – singlehandedly destroyed the reputation of the Susan Komen Foundation, so there’s that.
TenguPhule
@Eric S.:
Reformed from pot or libertarianism?
Raoul
“Melissa Etheridge shares an interest in Single Malt Scotch with Her Adult Kids” would be a totally uncontroversial (if a bit boring) article in the Taste section of a Sunday newspaper.
But pot! Ohmahgherd!! Panic.
BTW, I’ve been in recovery for almost 15 years and as far as I’m concerned, for those who can handle it, pot or booze? Whateves.
Treating pot as a criminal drug has had two long term ‘values’ to the corporatist/authoritarian state: 1. you can arrest people the state doesn’t like for breaking pot laws, and 2. the giant international liquor industry gains protection from a fairly easily homegrown alternative. Twofer!
It is all foolishness in service to a police/nanny/intrusive state.
??? Martin
@Brachiator: All true, but also no more problematic than reactions to alcohol. Alcohol is a poison. In small doses your body processes it fine. In large or continuous doses it doesn’t. Legal in 50 states, regulated.
amk
patroclus
First results – Ossoff at 71%!!
?BillinGlendaleCA
@amk: All of them
KatieCongressman.ETA: That’s not meant to disparage Congressman Schiff, he’s my congresscritter and I’m rather fond of him.
JPL
@Mike J: DeKalb is reporting and he should easily carry that section of the sixth, but he needs a strong turnout there.
efgoldman
@lamh36:
I think probably we shouldn’t hold our breath waiting for “irrefutable evidence.”
Because of course, Orally/Fox voluntarily paid a multi-million dollar settlement because of… philanthropy? charity? fear? tax avoidance?
Reasons….
Yarrow
@Raoul:
They’d probably do a lovely pictorial profile of the single malt scotches they prefer with a shot of Melissa and her kids relaxing on a sunset dappled patio by the fire pit, drinks in hand. Maybe a travelogue to Scotland where they toured distilleries. A product placement tie-in with a distillery. Possibly an organic or local distillery for the healthy angle. Seriously, the articles and ways they could and would cover it are endless.
But pot? No…..
Patricia Kayden
@Mike in NC: Arghhhh! Blood boiling.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@lamh36: Never doubt the power of the Great Orange Satan.
lamh36
@efgoldman: Seriously though, I think this is a trial balloon to see if O’Reilly can get some RWNJ on his side by screaming “far left” and therefore show Faux News…the error of ditching him
Yarrow
@patroclus: Excellent! We need a #Flipthe6th and Ossoff election thread.
Brachiator
@??? Martin:
Unless the political money changes federal law, big agra will stay away.
Patricia Kayden
@lamh36: How did they not blame Obama?
EBT
Looking forward to not being able to control my nightmares again!
raven
@jo6pac: And “Henry”. I named my second dog after that one,
raven
And, of course Arlo Guthrie – Coming Into Los Angeles
TenguPhule
@patroclus: He’s not even trying for subtle.
TenguPhule
@EBT:
Your nightmares actually stopped at some point since January 20th? What’s the secret?
JPL
Steve in ATL lives in a conservative district and those polls stayed open late. I’d like to know what he’s seeing.
Yarrow
Hey! Where’s Sarah Palin? Isn’t she supposed to be on the lookout for this from her house?
bupalos
@Kryptik: One of the reasons I come here to get screamed at for not being sufficiently full of rage at the Trumpers is some version of this. I don’t feel like the forces or the people that are dragging us back into the darkness are accurately recognized. There’s just a lot going on besides cranky old racist uncles and punky Montana skinheads. A growing empathy deficit, shallower attention span, a loss of moral purpose… there’s just a lot going on that helps short-term selfish thinking and regressive and corporate mindsets thrive, like the gravity is pulling that way. These things are affecting a broad cross section of demographic groups, both in the U.S. and across the globe. The right is getting worse, but the middle is also getting worse and the left is getting worse too.
It’s why I really bristle at the notion that there’s just some kind of a turnout problem or that without this malicious tinkering around the edges of voting rights or shenanigans like gerrymandering or foreign collusion things would tend to fix themselves. Or worst of all, the idea that we need to wait for these backwards old people to die.
Part of it may be that I’m pretty active in some specific (sort of hopeless) environmental causes, and the ones who are actually willing to really give time and do things and sacrifice for the future seem to all be over 60. I’m not in that range myself, but It’s really easy for me to just feel like people themselves are going down hill.
EBT
@TenguPhule: My nightmares have plagued me my whole life but cannabist keeps them in check enough I can sleep without muscle relaxers or anxiety medicine.
Mary G
Link to Georgia Secretary of State election results. With 0% of results in, Ossof has 71.3% to Karen “Boo Hiss” Handel 10.79.
Of course Hillary was also ahead at first.
JPL
@Yarrow: Really?
joel hanes
@raven:
Every year along about this time it all goes dry
Ah.
I had forgotten completely about the yearly dry season, and the strategies for getting through, and the rejoicing when it was over.
What a long, strange …
Mnemosyne
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
That annoys me, and it would annoy me even if I didn’t have asthma. If you’re not allowed to smoke tobacco on a train, you can’t smoke pot there, either.
Yes, potheads, marijuana smoke makes my lungs seize up just as fast as tobacco smoke does. Keep that shit at home, or at least in a wide-open space where I can get away from it.
germy
Meanwhile…
PaulWartenberg
the most troubling part of that headline is HER KIDS ARE NOW ADULTS.
JESUS. Melissa Etheridge was a big name back when I was in college.
/breaks out the wheelchair and hearing aids
raven
@joel hanes: Better to have dope and no money than money and no dope. . .
Mnemosyne
@bupalos:
How many of those people still work full time and/or have kids under 18 at home?
patroclus
@germy: I’m not sure whether to believe her or not – especially after she stole Ashleigh from Scarlett.
Brachiator
@Mnemosyne:
Dear Merry Mellow Marijuana Multitudes. Do the right thing. When on a train or other closed space, put down the pipe. And pull out the edibles. Get down the with the good dope. Carry on.
germy
More showbiz news:
Davebo
@lamh36:
Sadly the irrefutable evidence is contained in @realDonaldTrump’s tax returns so I wouldn’t hold my breath.
efgoldman
@Yarrow:
Not particularly new or exciting. A fairly regular occurrence for years and years
lamh36
@brianstelter
Fox is no longer confirming that Bill O’Reilly will return to his show next week. http://cnnmon.ie/2oqDcK2
https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/854486387365625856
Iowa Old Lady
@PaulWartenberg: I hear you. I was registering on a romance publisher’s site today and when I tried to list my date of birth, the drop down menu didn’t go back that far. I had to manually enter it.
germy
@lamh36: Oh Bill, this world was never meant for one as beautiful as you…
TenguPhule
@EBT: Damn. I’m allergic, so its not an option for me. I really want my nightmares to stop.
Mike J
@lamh36: The board meets Thursday, and his future is on the agenda.
patroclus
More in – Ossoff at 63%. Handel next w/ 11%. The Trump guy – Gray – is 5th.
Lizzy L
@??? Martin: I started smoking weed in the early sixties, was a fairly regular consumer in the seventies, and stopped for good in the mid-eighties. Back in the day we used to joke that one of the big cigarette companies had already registered the trademark on “Acapulco Gold.” The same joke surfaced later about “Panama Red.” It was half kidding, half a rumor and I would not be surprised to learn that it was true.
That being said, I agree with you: big ag is going to stay away from investing in MJ until the federal laws change — and that’s not going to happen while Sessions is AG.
TenguPhule
@Mnemosyne: Sympathy. I know that feeling.
Villago Delenda Est
@PaulWartenberg: Could you say that again, sonny?
Corner Stone
I like Tom Perez. But this lunacy has to stop.
Mike J
Corner Stone
Chris Hayes giving his hardest interview to date. Against Tom Perez and BS.
Hmmm…
patroclus
@Corner Stone: Agreed – he’d be a lot more effective if he didn’t have that red-faced screaming guy next to him.
lamh36
@Mike J: Right, but taking this with O’Reillys lawyer statement, looks to be a interesting.
Like I said above, TPTB who know O’Reilly is there big ratings guy, and since Kelly left, the “face” of Faux News (sorry KKKlannity) likely are behind that trial balloon of O’Reilly’s lawyer trying to blame MM…they want to see if the trend goes from “O’Reilly predator” to “O’Reilly…slander victim”…but of course they have the settlement funds to point to. 1 settlement…ok…2 settlements…worrisome…3 or more…a pattern of behaviour…
Next 48 hours after the lawyer statement may tell the tale, if RWNJ supporters rally around O’Reilly.
The question TPTB at Faux News have to decide if do they gamble that more won’t come out, or O’Reilly won’t go back to his predator ways…or get rid of him and call it reconstructuring?
JPL
@patroclus: Gray’s support comes from the polls that closed late. It doesn’t appear that Fulton has reported at all. That’s the conservative section.
patroclus
Much more in – Ossoff still at 62%! He has 31,000 – Handel at 7000.
Yarrow
@Corner Stone: Are they on his show or something? (Not gonna look…)
Shana
My cousin sent me a link to election results. It’s
JPL
This is on the NYTimes
Now the district goes due north and North Fulton has a much bigger say – think Roswell and Alpharetta. Those are still largely white, Republican areas, but they have a modest number of Hispanic and African American households as well, and some educated affluents trending Democratic. So Cobb isn’t quite as pivotal as it once was.
Yarrow
@patroclus: Saw a tweet that Ossoff did better than expected in early voting.
Shana
My cousin sent me a link to elections results. It’s
Miss Bianca
@TriassicSands: I copped the link off a friend’s FB feed – I was a little surprised to see it was The Washington Times, myself!
Yep, that whole article was full of derp. I keep wondering how it is possibly for people that achingly stupid to ascend to such positions of power, and then I realize: that’s what White Privilege is all about.
danielx
@lamh36:
Door #2 is out – as any Andrew Vachss fan can tell you, freaks don’t change.
lamh36
Oh no Carly baby…what is you doing…smh
Yarrow
@lamh36: They could sideline him–move him to some late night or weekend slot. Might be a halfway maneuver. Do that until his contract runs out and then don’t renew.
schrodingers_cat
Where is AL ? Usually she puts up a new thread in the evening.
raven
@schrodingers_cat: Don’t like talking about the ganja huh?
JPL
@Yarrow: He did pretty good in Cobb for early voting.
Corner Stone
@Yarrow: TP and BS were on All In. They had wildly diverging messages if you ask me. It was jarring in some spots. Somebody needs to show BS some kompromat and put a fucking muzzle on him.
Yarrow
@lamh36: She is just so desperate to be elected to something. Anything.
TenguPhule
@lamh36: Her loss in California wasn’t enough for her?
efgoldman
@lamh36:
No employer, especially a public-facing one, can take that chance. One or more of the lawyers can correct me, but I believe past patterns of behavior can be included at civil actions, that might be excluded in a criminal trial.
japa21
Morning Joke this morning was trying to paint this as a must Dem win. If they didn’t win the seat outright it would be a massive Dem failure.
His main point was that Clinton only lost by 1 point and that they should be able to pick that up, ignoring, of course what Price’s margin was and also the fact that special elections tend to favor the GOP.
Larryb
@slag:
This is why I yearn for full legalization: Then Phillip Morris can spend a mega-buck or two making that shit smell less like Pepe Le Pew.
Yarrow
@Corner Stone: He has Russian ties and that info will hopefully come out when the FBI investigations head into the indictments phase. I hope some of that shuts him up.
lamh36
@lamh36: I mean does she just have money to burn, or is it the grift? I mean can u get rich running for various offices?
MoxieM
I don’t partake much, as a descendant of Puritans (who in all fairness, pretty much subsisted on booze). However, as a host to my adult sprout and her partner I do try to provide all the comforts of home, including both arugula and weed. It’s the least a mother can do!
TenguPhule
@lamh36: If you follow the Trump model of simply stealing the cash from the campaign, easily.
Miss Bianca
@bupalos:
Surely another obvious reason for this state of demographic affairs suggests itself, besides “successive generations are going to shit.” What it could possibly be, I leave it to yourself to determine.
ETA: Or what Mnem said, basically.
efgoldman
@Yarrow:
Since they haven’t pushed him out yet, my guess is they have to pay the rest of the contract whether they push him out or not. Their lawyers and the board have to figure what’s the least harmful (to them) of several bad alternatives.
TenguPhule
@MoxieM:
You monster! /tongue firmly in cheek here
schrodingers_cat
@raven: I have never had it or seen the attraction, the smell is off putting.
J R in WV
@Brachiator:
But people never vomit in bars, right?
trollhattan
@lamh36:
Is she just seat shopping at this point? Some campaign con$ultants must really have their teeth embedded in her leathery (one imagines) ass.
Miss Bianca
@Iowa Old Lady: Now, THAT’S depressing. On a romance writer site?? What, they think us olds aren’t writing romance?
efgoldman
@MoxieM:
They smoke arugula? Is that what Dukakis was talking about in ’88?
danielx
@Yarrow:
Her record may qualify her for the position of town shitpicker for East Jesus.
Then again…she’d do a loss less damage by failing upward from that post.
TenguPhule
@trollhattan: Look on the bright side, she could otherwise be using it for something actually detrimental to the public.
TenguPhule
@J R in WV: Too much rather then too often.
TenguPhule
Mistakes were made at United Airlines. But we need to put the past behind us and move forward.
Village’s solution sounds so appealing right now.
raven
@schrodingers_cat: hahahahahaha
schrodingers_cat
@raven: What’s so funny?
Lizzy L
Interesting story out of Austin, Texas.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/apr/18/houston-district-attorney-kim-ogg-marijuana-decriminalization-texas
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Mnemosyne: He wasn’t smoking it, just rolling it.
raven
@?BillinGlendaleCA: I have smoked a blunt in 25 years but if anything is “off putting” it’s the smell of booze.
schrodingers_cat
@raven: Not a fan of the smell of booze or tobacco either.
Ruckus
@The Pale Scot:
Give me a break, I was on my phone and it
acceptedsuggested that as correct spelling. And if you think I’m a bad speller now you should have seen me before spell check. I have more left thumbs than any one person should have. Not as bad as a friend, he got in an accident and lost his thumb. They transplanted one of his toes. Worked OK, looked a little strange.billcoop4
@efgoldman:
TriassicSands
@Miss Bianca:
You’ve probably heard of the Peter Principle which claims that people get promoted based on their performance in their last job. The end result is people get promoted to fill positions they aren’t qualified to fill. The failing of the Peter Principle is that in reality people keep getting promoted and promoted to one position after another for which they aren’t qualified. They don’t stop getting promoted when they reach the first level of their incompetence. Congress is filled with them.
The idea that Sessions is qualified to be AG is laughable, but the same goes for senator, as well as for the judgeship he was denied (that was an anomaly). But with Sessions you can keep going down the ladder. Attorney General of Alabama? US Attorney for the Southern District of Alabama? Being a racist in Alabama may not be a liability (or wasn’t at that time).
He may have had the paper credentials for these jobs, but morally he wasn’t fit and would have been much less likely to have gotten any of those promotions (or won an election) outside of the Deep South. That means the Peter Principle doesn’t take moral qualifications into account and if a person works in an area where the moral code accepts racism, then, yes, Sessions, keeps getting one promotion after another. Until his promotion included an area wider than the local good ol’ boy network. To be a District Court judge he needed approval by the Senate at a time when the balance of power in the Senate meant there wouldn’t be a rubber stamp (unlike today). The tragedy is that every time someone like Sessions gets a promotion it makes the next promotion much more likely even if he has achieved and passed his level of incompetence.
The real problem with Sessions is his moral unfitness for any job related in any way to the law, enforcing laws, making laws, etc.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@raven: A guy a few feet from you rolling a skunky fat one would, the smell of booze makes me want to barf too.
Shana
@efgoldman: Didn’t Fox just recently renew O’Reilly’s contract? Sometime in the last year if i recall.
raven
Turn off your mind relax and float down stream
It is not dying, it is not dying
Lay down all thoughts, surrender to the void,
It is shining, it is shining.
Yet you may see the meaning of within
It is being, it is being
Love is all and love is everyone
It is knowing, it is knowing
And ignorance and hate mourn the dead
It is believing, it is believing
But listen to the colour of your dreams
It is not leaving, it is not leaving
So play the game “Existence” to the end
Of the beginning, of the beginning
Ruckus
@Mnemosyne:
There are different strains of weed that will affect some people differently. Some growers seem to know the difference. All I know is that the stuff I smoked made me extremely mellow. And gave me just a touch of the munchies.
TenguPhule
@raven: Proper alcoholic drinks have little or no smell of alcohol.
Rotgut on the other hand….
raven
@TenguPhule: homie don’t play dat
?BillinGlendaleCA
@TenguPhule: I you don’t drink, they sure the hell do.
EBT
@TenguPhule: How do you get drunk off of something that is less than 60% alcohol by volume?
TenguPhule
@EBT: By drinking more of it.
J R in WV
@raven:
Then I saw who posted that. The Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers slogan… true as the wind back then.
I’ve changed a lot since then, I went through college smoking all the way both directions – 90 minutes each way. Made the Dean’s List most of the time, too.
Maybe it would be a good thing if I could replace some of the products of advanced pharma-chemistry with organic smoke…
MoxieM
@efgoldman: Nah, just live in Germany, where arugula is basically mandatory. To eat, that is.
TenguPhule
@MoxieM: Arugula isn’t a food, its an intestinal cleanser.
EBT
@TenguPhule: But that is how I planned on sustaining the buzz. This whole affair sounds like it’s an expensive boondoggle.
Ruckus
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
Another plus for losing one’s sense of smell.
TenguPhule
@EBT: The idea behind mixed drinks is that you get the buzz but don’t have to taste what’s actually causing it. I understand that was part of the reasoning for pot brownies.
raven
@J R in WV: Well, having been stone cold sober for 25 years I can look back with fondness. I started getting high at Ft Knox in AIT, burned through Korea and the Nam high as the cost of living and jammed on from there. I don’t regret doing it and I don’t regret stopping.
joel hanes
@J R in WV:
The Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers slogan
The canonical phrasing is
“Dope will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no dope”
and Freewheelin’ Franklin was the character who said it. Frequently.
J R in WV
@schrodingers_cat:
I grew up with parents smoking PallMalls, and hated it, choking on the smoke in the back seat of the car.
But when I helped neighbors farming with their tobacco crop, the smell of the plant hanging upside down in the barn, curing, was marvelous. I haven’t smelled that smell in years now, 25 or more, but I won’t ever forget it.
Not the smell of it burning, but just hanging in the barn, aging, turning bright tan from the bright green color of the leaves at harvest time.
MoxieM
@TenguPhule: Take that assertion up with the Germans. They love the stuff /broadly speaking here. (Also, I do believe it’s kale that can be confused with brillo pads). Me? I’m pretty meh about it, but I’d rather have arugula on my salad than weed!