When you go to the polls in the fall of 2018, if your incumbent is a Republican congressmen, here is what you now know what they do and don’t care about:
1.) They don’t actually care about reading a bill:
Hours before a scheduled vote on a Republican bill that would repeal and replace major parts of Obamacare, a GOP congressman suggested that neither he — nor anyone else — has actually read the entire bill.
But Rep. Thomas Garrett of Virginia said his “staff” had read all of the parts of the bill — which he plans to vote for.
“Oh, gosh,” Garrett said on MSNBC on Thursday morning when asked if he has read the entire text of the GOP’s American Health Care Act.
“Let’s put it this way: People in my office have read all parts of the bill.”
“I don’t think any individual has read the whole bill,” Garrett said. “That’s why we have staff.”
That “read the bill” bullshit is for when there is a blah President and a Democratic majority.
@Johngcole You mean this, from p.33 of last year's GOP Pledge To America? pic.twitter.com/e8IJgVLPHo
— Hadabeer Scootin' (@jprestonian) May 4, 2017
2.) They don’t care about what is actually IN the bill or what it will do. Quite simply, they don’t know what is in the bill they just voted for:
In March 2010, in the hours before the final vote to pass Obamacare, John Boehner, then the top Republican in the House, gave a fiery speech denouncing not only the soon-to-be-law, but the process that had led to the vote.
“Look at how this bill was written,” he said. “Can you say it was done openly? With transparency and accountability? Without backroom deals struck behind closed doors hidden from the people? Hell no you can’t.”
All of these questions could now be asked of the GOP’s bill to rewrite Obamacare. And the answer to every one of them would be the same as the one Boehner gave seven years ago: Hell no.
Republicans are preparing to vote on a health care bill today that is even less transparent and accountable than Obamacare, on a rushed vote that was negotiated almost entirely via backroom deals.
The House is expected to vote on the American Health Care Act (AHCA), sometime today. But Republicans, by their own accounts, have no idea what it will do.
The bill itself was only finalized last night, with the addition of an amendment by Fred Upton that would provide an additional $8 billion to fund state high risk pools.
THAT’S GLIBERTARIAN PARADISE REASON MAGAZINE POINTING THAT OUT.
3.) They don’t care about people with pre-existing conditions or the elderly.
4.) They don’t care about the opiod crisis.
5.) They sure as fuck do not care about the budget or the deficit, since the last version of the bill was a budget buster and this one doesn’t even have a CBO score.
On the other hand, they do care about their donors, and they do care about themselves. Their health care will remain gold plated.
You should plan to vote accordingly.
rikyrah
TRUTH, COLE.
TRUTH.
bemused senior
I just sent $50 to all the California dirt bags opponents’ Act Blue account and called their offices to let them know I did it, and to promise to be in each of their districts one day to register voters and one day to get out the vote for 2018. Let the hell fire rage down.
Mnemosyne
Don’t forget Swing Left — Steve Knight’s days in CA-24 are numbered if I have anything to say about it.
TenguPhule
They had to vote for the bill in order to not find out what was in it.
gene108
Anyway to inform the media, so they will report that this is a HUGE TAX CUT FOR THE WEALTHY, built on the poor paying more for healthcare?
If that message can be drilled into the public consciousness, I’d feel a lot better about winning big league in 2018.
MomSense
I’m so mad right now.
Damned at Random
When is the CBO score expected? I’m in the mood to watch some tap-dancing elephants
Mike J
Dems got an amendment through this morning that won’t allow congress to exempt itself.
House Republicans are tweeting that the bill is so good that Dems are demanding to be covered by it.
Mike J
@gene108:
What makes you think the media don’t know this already?
Turgidson
I know this is a small thing to be yelling about on this day that damn well better live in infamy, but fer fucks sake. Obamacare was drafted, debated, revised, and hashed out over a period of months, and public arguments about damn near every part of it were happening almost every day. This GOP idiocy about the ACA being passed in secret is one of the biggest whoppers they’ve come up with in recent years, and that is really saying something. And clearly, they’ve been saying it for long enough now that it is internalized as something “everyone knows.” God, these people.
Reason is pulling what I used to call a “Frum” based on Mr. Axis of Evil, who, in the first few years after he was booted from the Wurlitzer, had the obnoxious tic of making sure he said all manner of idiotic, false nonsense about Obama as a preface to every criticism he aimed at the Republicans. He finally stopped doing it maybe a year ago. But Reason carries on in that not at all proud tradition, I see.
sharl
I’m remembering Donna Edward’s 2008 (ultimately successful) campaign to unseat Corporate Al Wynn in my district. She almost got him in 2006, even after entering the race late. A chastened and worried Wynn, and/or local party machine people working on his behalf, engaged in some rat-fucking efforts in 2008. One of those attempts involved previously unknown “Democrats” getting into the primary, who portrayed themselves as being left of Wynn (i.e., closer to Edwards). None of that worked fortunately, but it wasn’t for lack of effort.
So stay pissed off, but check things out before sending your money to a candidate, especially someone who seems to have suddenly materialized out of thin air. This is a ripe opportunity for independent scam artists, as well as political operators seeking to peel support away from a potentially formidable Democratic candidate (via the aforementioned rat-fucking). There are plenty of experienced and amoral pros who play this game very well.
donnah
I was stunned to find that my Republican rep voted no, here in SW Ohio. He’s usually a dick, but something made him vote on the side of good. We have a terrible problem with opioids here, so maybe he couldn’t let that go. For whatever reason, a NO from this guy is pretty astonishing,
I’m going on a family vacation starting this weekend. Two of my adult sons are joining my husband and me. I have been so stressed by politics since November that if I don’t get away from the media for a while, especially with the unbounded Republican gloating, I will become physically damaged.
rikyrah
@MomSense:
Come sit by me. I’m right back at November 9th.
rikyrah
You know what?
I despise those ‘ I voted for Trump, but I didn’t think he would do THAT’ articles.
But, it’s time.
It’s time to revisit those muthaphuckas – ON CAMERA – and pound it into them that their dear Dolt45 has signed some of their death warrants.
sharl
@donnah: Is that Mike Turner? Between the gerrymandering and district renumbering that’s occurred since I left there in the late 70s, I’ve lost track. (And I never think to ask when I’m back visiting family.)
jehrler
Swingleft.org has set up a donation link to donate to the opponents of the 35 repubs in swing districts that voted for this mess.
I gave to MN-02 and MN-03 but threw in some extra for this distributed fund.
secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/ahca-reps
Mnemosyne
@donnah:
Call him up and tell him, “Too late, asshole. Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas.”
JPL
Cindy McCain is being considered for a high level State Dept post. Of course, John McCain will now vote for the ACHA , you betcha.
fkfkfkfkfkfkfkkfkfkfk
TenguPhule
@rikyrah:
Nothing is going to burst their bubble until they die (Because the Republicans voted to kill them). Nothing.
Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.)
They really don’t care about anything, other than following Cleek’s Law. That’s all it is. They believe that they can vote to fuck their own voters over as long as those voters think that the Unworthies are going to get fucked over worse than they themselves are, and they’re right. Their voters will happily waste away from easily curable sicknesses as long as they think that Black people, dirty Meckisans, uppity feminists and nasty gays are dying faster and with more pain. It’s spite as a governing philosophy.
Chat Noir
@rikyrah: Me too. Right there with you.
DH
In the long run, it doesn’t matter that a Republican member of the House voted no. They by their very presence enable the others who voted Yes. Fuck them all. I am reminded of Robert Caro’s description of Sam Rayburn in The Years of Lyndon Johnson: Rayburn hated the Republican Party because it was nothing but a device of the rich. Nothing has changed.
Mike J
An oldie but a goodie, from 2011:
youtube.com/watch?v=OGnE83A1Z4U
Archon
It’s still mind blowing that the Republican Party just passed a bill that makes most peoples healthcare more expensive in exchange for tax cuts, mainly for the wealthy.
This is an unprecedented bill for a national legislature to pass in a Democracy.
p.a.
Let’s not forget the media and their ‘horse race’ fetish. How many attempted (or are intellectually qualified) to explain this shit sandwich.
Elizabelle
I don’t want to look at that face.
Below the fold material, if ever I saw it.
amk
Them checks & balances don’t work if the majority is stupid and vile.
Calouste
@Archon: There’s a simple explanation for that: America is not a democracy.
artem1s
@donnah:
several Rs were given cover to vote NO if they were at risk of losing their seat, especially those who are in states where there is a governors race coming up. He didn’t turn into a good guy. He was given a get out of jail free card. It doesn’t matter if he voted NO. He let the GOP bring a bill to the floor that hadn’t been scored and no one had read. He was OK with that. Also he knew he was going to get to keep his exemption for pre-existing conditions no matter what. He’s still a ratfucker.
SFAW
@p.a.:
They HAVE explained it:
“Big Win for the President*”
— that’s all they care about.
Pretty fucking soon, I’m going to start sounding like Villago
schrodingers_cat
@Elizabelle: Me 2. I have totally stopped watching any TV news for that reason since the last 6 months.
Archon
@Calouste: Well one thing is for sure. No way a bill like that even gets to the floor in a healthy polity.
artem1s
BTW, this is the bill that rMoney/Ryan wanted to pass in 2012 after they beat the blah guy. When you post on FB or twitter or whatever you should link up TrumpCare with Mittster and Lyin’Ryan. This was always their plan and why they let the orange buffoon beat them all in the GOP primary. Now they get their billion dollar tax cut and they get to blame Twittler and the Deplorables for it.
SFAW
@schrodingers_cat:
Moi aussi. And I’ve stopped listening to radio news, because I can’t stand to hear any of those lying motherfuckers, and especially the Lying-Motherfucker-in-Chief
JMG
“First half lead for the President” would be accurate. I’m pretty sure Trump doesn’t know how a bill becomes a law. I wonder how many cable news on-camera folks do.
TenguPhule
@SFAW: I’m already reexamining my views. I used to believe that there needed to be fair trials first. But with the evidence of guilt so overwhelming in this case…..
Mnemosyne
In case anyone needs any extra motivation, that asshole Jason Chaffetz made sure to get his government-paid foot surgery before returning to the House to take away everyone else’s healthcare.
TenguPhule
@Mnemosyne: Are we allowed to wish he gets an antibiotic immune infection from it? Or is that still out of bounds here?
Ohio Mom
@donnah: Yeah, who was it? It wasn’t Chabot or Wenstrup, that’s for sure.
Brad Wenstrup, he’s mine. Took Mean Jean Schmidt’s place in our gerrymandered district. Goes on and on how he supports Vets (he served), just screwed all the Vets who depended on the ACA.
Yarrow
@donnah:
Don’t fall for analyzing his motives and thinking he might have made a decision based on the goodness of his heart. He was let off the hook because he might be vulnerable next election. If Ryan had needed his vote he would have been a Yes vote.
Millard Filmore
@TenguPhule:
As long as he survives the infection while going bankrupt, I don’t see a problem.
Ohio Mom
@schrodingers_cat: I haven’t watched TV in years, get my news via the local paper and the internet. I am just as angry as I can be. Avoiding the boob tube is no panacea.
LurkerNoLonger
Here’s my question: Now that the Senate is going to be writing their own bill, which won’t be nearly as cruel and regressive as the House, aren’t they back to square one? The HFC won’t like a less cruel bill and and they were the ones who deep-sixed this last time. Why the celebration about passing something that will never get passed the Senate? (I guess that was 2 questions)
Yarrow
@schrodingers_cat: I watch local news only for the weather. With a DVR I can FF or rewind to get to it. Thank goodness.
Ohio Mom
@Yarrow: All the better. If he so vulnerable that he had to vote No, he has a target on his back.
Makes it a little easier for our side.
If Donnah would just tell us who he is!
TenguPhule
@LurkerNoLonger: Because Reconciliation in committee means they can stick incentives in to get the HFC to vote for it while still relying on the rest to fall in line. A bill in action has a lot more momentum then one trying to get out of the house in the first place.
hitchhiker
Just bizarre to watch the “WE WIN!!” giddiness, against the backdrop of
1. The CBO report that everyone knows is coming, within days. The press is loving this opportunity to get eyeballs, and they’re going to love next week’s opportunity just as much. It’s why we hate them.
2. The difficulty of the problem, which is undiminished. The truth none of them will admit is they just do not have a better idea than Obama. They don’t know how to bring down costs while covering more people and spending less money. The bill they’re gloating about achieves only one of those three things.
3. The senate.
TenguPhule
@Millard Filmore: I can live with that compromise.
Yarrow
@Ohio Mom: Have you heard from any of your Trump-voting fellow disability moms who were sure Republicans wouldn’t vote to take away benefits for their kids?
amk
@Bailey: and the trolls start to arrive.
efgoldman
I’m not sure that’s true anymore.
The doctors and their lobbyists, the hospitals and hospital lobbyists, the insurance companies and their lobbyists, the businesses and their lobbyists, the Chamber of Commerce… all traditional Republiklown voters and big financial contributors; all opposed this steaming pile of pigshit. The RWNJs have finally started believing their own bullshit.
Mnemosyne
@Bailey:
There have been a lot of them. Here’s just one.
Looking up “coal miners Trump healthcare” is another easy one.
donnah
@sharl:
Yep, Mike Turner. He usually holds the party line, but he said no, which was good. I’m counting on Sherrod Brown to stand up in the Senate, and I know he will.
The gerrymandering between Dayton and Cincy is unbelievable.
SenyorDave
@JPL: Cindy McCain is being considered for a high level State Dept post. Of course, John McCain will now vote for the ACHA , you betcha.
Not that it matters, but does she actually have any qualifications?
Mnemosyne
@SenyorDave:
She’s married to a Republican Senator who needs a little extra incentive to sell the last remaining shreds of his integrity. What other qualifications does she need?
randy khan
@donnah:
Others have pointed out the possibility that many of the “no” votes were people released by the Speaker (although a part of me has to wonder about this as I’m not sure he’s that competent and there’s at least one risk-free no vote from someone not running for reelection). I wanted to mention one other point – pretty much all of the no votes came from people who really wanted to vote yes, but were just afraid of their constituents. There weren’t a lot of principled stands here, just members who want to be re-elected. Remember, they essentially all voted repeatedly to repeal the ACA without any replacement in 2015 and 2016.
Patricia Kayden
@TenguPhule: They don’t care what’s actually in the bill as long as it sticks it to the Kenyan Muslim former President and to those people.
efgoldman
@donnah:
Even the dickhead RWNJ “moderates” [HAH!] who voted no need to go. Their sin is in just being Republiklowns in congress. They are just as responsible. Don’t let them off the hook.
SenyorDave
@LurkerNoLonger: Why the celebration about passing something that will never get passed the Senate?
I don’t think I would take bets on that. It might not be totally as cruel as the House version, but there are basic tenets that will go into any GOP health care bill. No stream of funding (IOW a tax cut for the wealthy), severe EHB limitations, almost anyting is possible as long as it covers less people of color.
Patricia Kayden
@donnah:
Have a great time. I need to take a break from politics too but can’t seem to tear myself away. Feels like every day brings a new Trump horror like the E.O. further obliterating the wall between church and state. Anyways, good for all of you who can get away from it all.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
but, but…. Susan Sarandon told me this would never happen!?!?
SiubhanDuinne
Charlie Pierce is back, and feistier than ever:
Mnemosyne
@Bailey:
We only just crossed the 100 days mark. There are another 551 days to go before Election Day 2018.
Are you going to wring your hands for the next 551 days, or are you going to get off your ass and fight?
Gian
@SenyorDave:
According to her husband she’s a trollop which is good enough for Trump, although he prefers to oggle teenagers
Patricia Kayden
@LurkerNoLonger:
McConnell could nuke the filibuster for legislation and get it passed with all Republicans on board (and possibly Manchin and Heitkamp). I wouldn’t be so sure that this bill won’t pass the Senate and get signed by Trump.
mdblanche
@LurkerNoLonger: I don’t claim to know the answer to your first question, but to answer your second this is still the best excuse SCROTUS and ZEGS have had for a celebration.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Turgidson: It’s even crazyer that that – this is a law that will effect almost every American and most of the economy, and they just slapped it out like it was some symbolic Flag Burning base service thing. I doubt even Ryan knows what’s in that law he just got passed.
rikyrah
@TenguPhule:
you are probably right, but at this point, I’d get satisfaction watching the mental gymnastics.
efgoldman
@artem1s:
Disagree. Mittster is not only yesterday’s. but aeons ago news in political terms. It’s the same as the RWNJ assholes blaming shit on hippies: politically useless.
Personalize it HARD. Blame it on your particular asshole RWNJ rep, if you have one, no matter how s/he voted.
Patricia Kayden
@Mnemosyne:
Fight but right now I feel a little depressed to be honest. But of course there is no choice but to fight back and resist the best way we can. Just feels exhausting and we’ve just passed the first 100 days. It can only get worse. My two Senators are Democrats so I know they’ll vote against the AHCA. I hope Republican Senators (and Manchin and Heitkamp) are getting swamped with calls.
sharl
@donnah: Ah thanks! Between your clues and stuff I saw on twitter earlier today, I figured it might be Mike Turner. On rare occasion I look at what he’s up to in my old stomping grounds, but it tends to bum me out, so I don’t do that often.
Ohio gerrymandering is an amazing, awful thing, but I think it has been like that for a while. I think it was the previous CD map that showed John Boehner’s 8th district with an appendage that curled around and stuck down into north Dayton – literally giving the city The Finger. It was clearly a blatant design to divide and dilute Democratic voters. Those scumbags don’t seem to miss a trick.
Shalimar
@Yarrow: wunderground.com/
Obviously weather prediction is never perfect, but their forecasts are more accurate than anywhere else I have ever seen.
Patricia Kayden
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: The CBO didn’t even get to score it because of the haste in which it was passed. I thought Republicans sold themselves as the party of fiscal responsibility.
Goku
@Bailey: Just wait a few years. They’ll see. Trumpy and the Grand Oligarch Party will out do themselves even more. Some of them will probably die any way
Yarrow
@Ohio Mom:
I found the two Republican Reps from Ohio who voted no. Has to be one of these guys:
David Joyce, Ohio
Michael R. Turner, Ohio
Turgidson
@Patricia Kayden:
Manchin and Heitkamp won’t vote for this moral monstrosity. They suck in many ways and you’re right not to trust them, but there’s no way they’ll have any interest in putting a bipartisan sticker on a bill that fucks over 20-some million people and destroys the party’s biggest domestic achievement in nearly 50 years.
Collins and Murkowski might not vote for it either, since killing PP funding is in there. Flake and Heller undoubtedly don’t want to have to cast a vote either way, as they are most potentially vulnerable 2018 GOP senators. In the end, I wouldn’t count on them holding out if they’re a vote or two away, but they will probably make a big show of holding out for a while, at least.
Mike J
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:
Head of National Nurses United:
TenguPhule
@SenyorDave:
Sizable ones. The plastic surgeon made sure.
/Yes, I went there. I also know her history and its well deserved.
Patricia Kayden
@SiubhanDuinne: Glad to see him up and running again. Love his commentary. He’s a regular guest on Stephanie Miller’s show and he’s always hilarious. We need his righteous anger right about now.
TenguPhule
@Patricia Kayden: Everything they ever accused the ACA of being, they’re doing themselves right now. Every single thing.
The Thin Black Duke
@Bailey: Fuck off and die, asshole. I ain’t in the mood, especially after what happened today.
Yarrow
Patricia Kayden
@Turgidson: NPR reported that it may take months for the Senate and House to reconcile their versions of the AHCA which suggests that Republican Senators may try to water it down to get Democratic support. I guess we’ll have to see. I hope you’re right and that not even one Democratic Senator votes for this atrocity so that if somehow it passes, the damage it causes can be laid solely at Republicans’ feet.
Goku
@Bailey: Clinton at this point doesn’t really matter, so I don’t know why you’re bringing her up. These Trump voters will eventually sour on Traitor Trump. He only won by a sliver of a margin. All it would take would be a few % of them staying home. It’s only been a few months. It’ll probably take a year or so to sink in and Trump is only digging himself deeper every day
Mike J
$100,000 per hour. Actblue’s NoAHCA fund has raised $100,000 per hour since the vote.
secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/noahca
Mnemosyne
@Bailey:
Hey, if you want to sow division right now, you can go wank in the corner with your Bro buddies still whining about how mmmeeeaaannn Hillary was for forcing 3 million more people to vote for her over Sanders.
I’m sick of you fucking sore losers. If you’re not going to help defeat Trump, shut the fuck up and sit down. No one gives a shit what you think about Hillary anymore.
Yarrow
@Shalimar: I’m a long time weather watcher and have followed Weather Underground almost since its inception. It’s a shadow of its former self, especially since being bought out by Weather Channel.
I have found that for local weather the local weather people usually give me the best information on timing of storms and so forth. I watch for that as I often need accurate information as to arrival of storms and not just general “40% chance of rain.” Weather Underground varies widely day to day with its local forecasts as well, so I use it only for general information.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Mnemosyne:
That assumes he had any to begin with. Did you know he was a POW? He doesn’t like to talk about it.
Raoul
$300,000 now raised since #AHCA passed the House for the 207 “unseat” races identified. secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/noahca
Lots of ways to give today. I’m in.
Or what Mike J said!
Mnemosyne
@Patricia Kayden:
Like I said above, we have 551 days to go. If you need to take a day or two off before diving back in, we’ll still be here. ?
WTA: But I would say to try and make that some time to rest, regroup, and recharge. Don’t let the bastards get into your head and make you feel defeated.
randy khan
@Patricia Kayden:
I don’t know about Heitkamp, but Manchin has been pretty firmly against messing with the ACA so far.
I honestly don’t know if McConnell would – or even would have the votes to – nuke the legislative filibuster. From his perspective, it has some value in protecting Senators from having to vote on crazy things coming from the House, and a lot of Senators think it’s important. But I also could see him doing it, too.
Chet Murthy
@TenguPhule: Acts of the FSM, free of human interference, are just divine retribution, eh, TenguPhule? So I say, wish away, and I’ll join you. Can I please ask you to consider Herpes zoster (aka “shingles”)? A variant of chicken pox, afaik non-fatal, infects each sensory ganglion individually, pain-to-the-point-of-suicide in some sufferers, and incurable. Let’s not wish for a nosocomial infection that might kill him, when we can wish for one that afflicts him for life in every sensory ganglion with unimaginable pain.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Mike J: this RoseAnn DeMoro?
I’ll answer my own question: Yes. She’s a fucking moron. If she would shut up and go away, I’d say leave her alone, but she won’t do either.
I’ve assumed this was coming since some time yesterday. I”m surprised how angry I am.
mdblanche
@Patricia Kayden:
They’re going to have to water it down to get Republican support. I also doubt any Democratic senator will support any version of this, not unless they intend to become an ex-Democrat.
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
He must have, given how he’s always finding still more last remaining shreds of it to sell.
The Truffle
@Damned at Random: I’m in the mood to see some elephants stampeding away in terror.
lamh36
Joy Ann Reid…laying it out…perfectly.
She’s too good for MSNBC, but at least can be glad she still have a voice on screen. The whole thread deserves a read
TenguPhule
@Bailey:
I’m sorry, you must be looking at a different blog. Most of us know they don’t regret it, the conflict is over whether to save them from themselves, or break out the popcorn when the leopards come to eat their faces.
moeman
This is about two things; a tax cut for the rich and a lynching of President Obama’s legacy.
Goku
@Bailey: But you still namechecked her for no reason. All you’re going to do is start fights that way. I remember you from last year and you were a deadender troll then.
Mike in NC
@mdblanche: Local news just reported it likely that the bill will languish in the Senate and never make it to Fat Bastard’s desk for signature.
Baud
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I hope her nursing is better than her political prognosticating.
@Bailey: Hillary is not going to STFU, but she won’t be running for anything again.
Patricia Kayden
@Mike J: I hope that all that money translates into Democrats running candidates in as many states as possible. We need to be running in the red states so that voters fed up with Republicans have options. You can’t win if you don’t compete.
Goku
@Baud: And to clarify, when I said Clinton doesn’t matter anymore I meant it in the sense that you said
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Neither is this: Fuck the fuck off.
Lapassionara
@Bailey: maybe I missed something, but I thought the R’s had planned to bring this under reconciliation rules, meaning the filibuster would not apply.
I too am back on 11/9.
Baud
@Goku: That’s how I took it.
lamh36
Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA
@rikyrah: Here’s one. She’s really hoping leopards don’t eat her face.
I, OTOH, will pop some popcorn, sit and watch her face get eaten, and love every goddamned minute of it.
Patricia Kayden
@lamh36: Good on Joy Reid for stating the obvious. Republican Senators will jump over obstacles, roll through fire and swim with sharks to pass legislation which will screw the poor and working class. Anyone who says otherwise isn’t paying attention. Also, keep in mind that McConnell hates President Obama and would be glad to destroy his legacy by helping to repeal the ACA.
lamh36
Millions likely to lose their health care and them mofos celebrating like their team won the fuqn Superbowl…
Republicans have beer delivered to Capitol to celebrate end of health care
shareblue.com/republicans-have-beer-delivered-to-capitol-to-celebrate-end-of-health-care/#.WQuiDkB1E… via @shareblue
Patricia Kayden
@lamh36: Maverick!! Like a true maverick, I tell ya.
TenguPhule
@Lapassionara: It depends on whether they weasel the “no financial change” rule or not. They can’t reconcile unless its revenue neutral or under 10 years effective.
efgoldman
@randy khan:
Yabutt
They knew as a certainty there was no chance at all of it actually happening. Those votes were purely symbolic playing to the base.
Goku
@Bailey: The point is: you specifcaly called out “Clinton voters” and you revealed that you really meant Ballon Juicers in a later comment. You still mentioned her name and are relitigating the election for no legitimate reason
Yarrow
@Patricia Kayden: McConnell also wants those sweet, sweet tax cuts and passing this bill is his best shot at getting them. I have zero confidence McConnell will not pass something just as bad if not worse. He knows how to get bills passed.
Mike J
Regarding trump’s anti-gay EO:
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Bailey: Fuck the fuck off, Fuckface.
@lamh36: I’ll say this for McCain: He’d never sell his vote to give his wife an ego-pumping gov’t job. He would toss his wife out of a high-flying plane to get the US involved in a ground war in the Middle East, so we can retroactively win the war in Vietnam.
zhena gogolia
@Raoul:
It’s the only thing that makes me feel good today.
Brachiator
@TenguPhule:
Right now it is far from clear that these people want to be saved. And certainly, right now, no one hear has the means to save them. We may not even be able to save ourselves from the pain and madness of GOP vindictiveness.
And no, this does not mean that things are permanently hopeless. But today is not a good day for democracy or common sense.
Boussinesque
@Mike J: Right, because that totally stands a snowball’s chance in hell of actually passing. Our Wilmer, patron saint of symbolic gestures. That people believe that that’s some kind of meaningful action to take is just appalling.
Baud
@Brachiator: Exactly right.
Patricia Kayden
@Mnemosyne: Thanks.
I’m trying to do my part. I love blogs like these where we’re all on the same page and all fired up and fighting. We keep each other sane. Those 551 days can’t go by quickly enough. LOL.
P.S. I suppose if we survived Shrub for 8 years, we’ll survive Trump now. Barely survive but survive nonetheless.
Goku
Donated to Actblue for all eventual Den nominee funds for district’s reps that voted for ACHA. Only 25 dollars, but it’s still something and most importantly makes me feel like I’m doing something.
First political donation
efgoldman
@Mike J:
RWNJ flying monkeys aren’t the only ones who live on planet Delusia.
I don’t think Wilmer is running for president again in any case, but if he has any integrity at all he’ll be working himself to death against this reeking pile of pigshit.
randy khan
@Chet Murthy:
Shingles are bad. I was once given the odd diagnosis of having either shingles or some kind of skin infection in the ER, and my own doctor (while pointing out that it wasn’t shingles for another reason) essentially told me that I would have known it was shingles because it would have hurt much, much more.
Fun fact: The treatment for shingles is the same as the treatment for genital herpes. The pharmacist tried hard not to look judgmental.
Patricia Kayden
@Yarrow: Tax cuts. Stick it to the Black guy. Get a pat on the head from Trump. Another chance to gut the filibuster.
I see all of the above as reasons why McConnell may get the AHCA through the Senate. He’s such a nasty excuse for a human being that I wouldn’t put anything past him.
Goku
@Mike J: So wait, it was just a photo-op, basically?
hedgehog mobile
@lamh36: That had better be featured in Dem ads from now until 2018.
Goku
@Bailey: Whatever
Baud
@Mike J: Without getting into the whole Wilmer war, I have some skepticism about this strategy. I’m not sure it’s a good idea to give the Rs in the Senate something they can use to distract people from their bill. I’m legitimate uncertain about this, but I have my doubts.
Omnes Omnibus
@Bailey: It’s funny how you show up only when bad things are happening and then try to stir things up. Just an observation. I have no interest in engaging with you.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@efgoldman: one has been wondering when he will clap his hands and summon those mill-yunns and mill-yunns of young people to the other side of Mitch McConnell’s window. I guess as soon as he’s done explaining to the last Unity Rally that Democrats are the biggest obstacle to real progress
efgoldman
@Goku:
It’s what the Wilmerboit troll did all during the primaries. Why change now?
Patricia Kayden
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Are you trying to kill me by spiking up my blood pressure? I cannot. I just cannot.
Chet Murthy
@randy khan: I’ve read that in the past, the only treatment was the removal of each infected sensory ganglion. As in: “yeah, you’ll be unable to feel anything in a segment of your body (specificaly skin and layers directly beneath) but it’s a small price to pay for the sweet, sweet relief. Also read about people committing suicide b/c of the pain.
Oh, FSM, please grant my wish, and thus afflict Dampnut and his squishy hordes!
Yarrow
Since we’re talking about Hillary Clinton, what the hell is this shit?
Apparently Clinton is putting together some sort of organization called Onward Together.
Cogitari Safari
They’re Republicans. They have no interest in the public good. The interest of Republicans lies solely in lining their own pockets, subjugating the citizenry, and “the win”, whatever it may be.
Baud
@Yarrow: Protip: Don’t ever cite Maggie Haberman as a source of Clinton news.
randy khan
@Bailey:
As it happens, there is some evidence that there are Trump voters who regret their votes, based on the polling. Not too many right now, but after less than 4 months, you can’t really expect that much bleeding. (I have said before that people who did not support him and who are horrified by nearly everything he does may have unrealistic expectations about how fast his supporters would become disillusioned. They *want* to believe he’s doing a good job; it will take a while for any substantial number of them to catch on.)
One other tidbit from the polling that kind of interests me is the number of people who say they voted for Clinton and Trump. Usually there’s some slippage for the loser and some gain for the winner because, well, people are like that. That particular phenomenon hasn’t happened yet. I don’t have an explanation, other than that Clinton voters probably all are pretty proud of that vote now (and even that probably is just projection on my part), but it definitely is interesting.
Chet Murthy
@Baud:
FTFY.
Baud
@Chet Murthy: No argument here, obviously. But Maggie is especially garbage.
les
@Bailey: Enjoying your pie, limp dick?
Goku
@Omnes Omnibus: A similar point I was about to make. It’s fine if he/she wants to make their point about Trump voters not yet changing their minds, but why say this:
It’s just pointless sniping. They don’t even have the excuse of venting. Bailey has a track record of trolling
Mike J
@Goku:
That’s what the ACLU says. They’ve read and I haven’t, and their analysis is almost certainly going to be better than mine anyway.
lamh36
@Yarrow: I no longer trust ANYTHING by a majority of the corporate news folks…e every story I now take with a grain of salt..
The lot of em or more concerned about drama and keeping up page views and ratings than they are of the REAL people…
These new journos are more about breaking a story to get their names in big headlines than they are about informing the public…
Baud
@Goku:
@Mike J:
I’ve heard that from other news sources as well.
Baud
@lamh36: Agree. I’ve been that way for a while now, especially when it comes to reporting on Dems.
Yarrow
@Baud: Yeah. It was just the most succinct link I saw, but I’ve seen others. I want to know who these people are in the “small group of Dems” so we can tell them to shut up. I don’t really care what she does, but all the chatter about any Clinton (her, Chelsea, or Bill) running for anything is dumb.
germy
Washington Post
Chet Murthy
@Baud: Somewhere Glenn Thrush is feeling abandoned and unloved. And then there’s Eric Lichtblau (ok, former FTFNYT but still). And Ad Nags. I guess I could go dredging thru old, bad memories.
All that said, yeah, Haberman is definitely a new one on that list.
mdblanche
@Mike in NC: I hope they’re right…
TenguPhule
@Brachiator: I grant you that they would only be saved as a side effect of us saving ourselves from them. But then again, I am in the popcorn faction myself.
Yarrow
In cheerier news…
FBI indictments for these traitors can’t come soon enough.
lamh36
@Yarrow:
TenguPhule
@germy: Putin is breaking out the vodka and pepper.
randy khan
@efgoldman:
In Comstock’s case, I’m pretty sure she was a true believer until her entire district told her she’d better not be. There were even ads running in February talking about “her” plan to replace Ocare. (They were lying, of course, as she had no plan.)
TenguPhule
@Yarrow: Probably won’t come soon enough to save us from this madness.
ArchTeryx
Some actual good news. My fiancees plan is better then expected – it is a ppo – and I have another job interview with the state.
This’ll really juice our marriage plans, so some good will come from this disaster.
And if I am alive, I am fighting these fuckers. Because if this doesn’t goose La Resistance, nothing will.
Baud
@Yarrow: No, I’m not directing any ire on an anonymous (and probably nonexistent) group of Dems simply based on media (and especially NYT) reporting.
TenguPhule
@randy khan: Oh no, the plan exists. You just can’t ask about any of the details because that would break its quantum entanglement.
Goku
@Mike J: I saw something on TPM about the Little Sisters of the Poor: talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-little-sisters-of-the-poor
Money quote:
randy khan
@TenguPhule:
Okay, then, that explains it.
debbie
Why can I not find verification for NPR’s reporting that the Dems’ singing mirrored the Reps’ singing at a PA Democratic Representative who was the deciding vote on Clinton’s budget in 1993? Was that fake news?
efgoldman
@Yarrow:
The NYT is no longer a “news” organization. They write political slashfic now.
randy khan
@ArchTeryx:
That’s good to hear. Fingers crossed on your behalf. Certainly better news than anything else I’ve heard today.
Baud
@Goku: I suggest that those lawyers get a huge retainer upfront.
ruemara
@SiubhanDuinne: All I can say to him is this: Stop blaming the Democratic Party. Start blaming voters. It’s not the fault of water if people keep picking poison.
People keep framing it as if the electorate is choosing mangoes versus grapes. It’s bland to sometimes refreshing water versus toxic waste.
This is why I have no fave pundits I share. Just information, calls to action or my own thoughts. The narratives being spread have got to change if we want to unite and fight.
mdblanche
@Yarrow: Serious question: what big bills has McConnell previously gotten passed? I honestly don’t recall any.
TenguPhule
@Goku: Little sisters of the Poor to Little hookers for Trump in one Photo Op.
/They choose to go to him.
Baud
@ruemara: I agree.
TenguPhule
@efgoldman:
Stealing this.
TenguPhule
@debbie: There’s other reports from AP that the Republicans were singing it (Mocking Obama). So editors may be holding off for clarification.
Florida Frog
@ArchTeryx: That is great news. i will lose my coverage too but your situation is much more dire than mine. I have been thinking of you and so many others who are running out of time while Republicans celebrate. May you rest a little easier tonight. We will all fight on tomorrow.
Mnemosyne
@Bailey:
Right, which is why Sanders supporters whip themselves into a frenzy every time we say something even slightly disparaging about Sanders voters. They never go into a fit of whining about how mmmeeeaaannn everyone is to St. Sanders the Incorruptible.
You wanted Anyone But Clinton to be president, and you got exactly what you wanted. Too late to complain about the consequences of your actions now. You own this, whiner.
Citizen Alan
@SenyorDave:
She’s been an executive at Anheuser-Busch for decades I think. I don’t care for her, but she’s vastly more qualified than Lolita.
Goku
@TenguPhule: Kinda destroys their cred for wanting to care for the poor and elderly doesn’t it?
Felonius Monk
@efgoldman:
Integrity? — They don’t call him BS for nothing.
MomSense
@rikyrah:
Same here. Can you believe that the same party that made a man who bragged about committing sexual assault our president just voted to take away health insurance from women who are the victims of sexual assault?
They are evil.
Goku
@Bailey:
Based on what?
ruemara
@Mike J: If I could reach out to Roseanne DeMarco, I’d slap her face bloody. She’s a clueless, godforsaken stain on progressive politics.
Yes, I detest her as much as Wilmer. Because of her willful misinformation like that motherfucking tweet.
TenguPhule
@Goku: And if they didn’t moral scold while providing that aid before, I would bet dollars to donuts they will now.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Yarrow: Worth keeping in mind the real purposes of conservative supreme court justices is to keep that Corporate Citzen myth alive in law and since that dear to all conservatives, that’s why they went along with Turtle on the raming that justice threw. Commiting suicied with the House, that might be another thing,.
Miss Bianca
@Bailey:
you know, we’d be happy for you to do the same.
TenguPhule
@MomSense: From babies to bankruptcy.
/Children for the rich, by the rich and only for the rich. Because nobody else will be able to afford the deliveries.
Chet Murthy
@debbie: Everywhere I look, I find the 1993 story attributed to Josh Marshall. But Josh doesn’t give further attribution or evidence. He’s a good guy, and I trust him, but still ….
talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/hey-hey-goodbye
time.com/4767631/hey-hey-goodbye-healthcare-bill/
Time mag has a different story, viz
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Goku: that makes me sad. My parents have been supporters of the Little Sisters for years. they volunteered as drivers on T-Giving and Xmas for years. All this because Paul VI had an odd tantrum…
@ruemara: Yeah, people keep forgetting that no one in GA-6 or MT-AL is voting for (or against) Perez, or Ellison, the Ghost of Howard Dean, or some, maybe most, aren’t even voting for or against Donald Trmp. The national party can play a role, that role is not always easy to figure out, but maybe one of the biggest gaps between political junkies, the kind of people who read Charlie Pierce, and the people who actually vote is seeing every race as part of a national referendum on the soul of the country.
Omnes Omnibus
@Goku: Please don’t feed the troll.
Aleta
@bemused senior:
@Mnemosyne:
@jehrler:
Thank you for this encouraging action.
Mnemosyne: I’m always grateful for your encouraging words.
debbie
@TenguPhule:
Thanks. Hope they find that soon. The RWNJs on my FB feed are cackling wildly. In the meantime, it ain’t just DC that’s singing.
ruckus
Read a fucking bill that they vote on? You must be fucking kidding. That would require a few things that conservative congressmen lack. Ability to give a fuck about anything other than their income. Ability to comprehend what they would have read if they even looked at it. Giving a fuck that even the people who voted for them will die.
They are fucking assholes. We’ve known all of this for decades, it’s just slightly more obvious now.
efgoldman
@Bailey: Strange (or maybe not so strange) about trolls. They’re like the party guest nobody likes that shows up at an open house, drinks the booze, eats the food, and then won’t leave. They either don’t know or don’t care that nobody wants them here; some of then in fact revel in it. They just want to fuck with people.
Whether they think so or not, they all have the Republiklown personality type. Some of them, at least, have some funny things to say. Not you.
TenguPhule
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: But is it suicide if they’re still here in 2018? I know nobody really wants to think about it, but the playing field is not level and these fuckers cheat.
Tenar Arha
@debbie: Josh Marshall made comment, but did not link to an original story from ’93 news archives.
ETA Basically he was referencing congressional history in his blog, like he often does to explain the pointed nature of the singing.
Mnemosyne
@Yarrow:
Don’t take the bait. Hillary isn’t running again any more than Chelsea is. But if you think she shouldn’t use her popularity with female Democrats to fundraise for Democrats, you’re a fool, my friend.
debbie
@Bailey:
Right. I know it happened today, but I need proof about 1993. Proof that will be accepted by dickheads.
Baud
@debbie:
Oxymoron?
Yarrow
In case anyone missed it, WaPo has a good rundown of the vote today including how everyone voted. Good reference if you want to see how some of the reps near you voted. You know, in case you want to call and let them know what you think about their vote.
They have some nice framing, like:
“Barely got it through their own chamber.” Sad!
And this paragraph was also good:
States can opt out of protection of people with preexisting condition. Even the conservative American Enterprise Institute says the money isn’t enough. They’re speaking truth and it makes this bill sound like the utter crap it is.
sharl
Well, this will hopefully be a barrel o’ fun for good ol’ Darrell:
TenguPhule
@debbie:
Might as well try to prove a negative. You’ll have a better chance.
TenguPhule
@sharl: This could be why he planned an early retirement, He really is planning to run away to Russia after this.
randy khan
@Bailey:
You know, I didn’t say there was much slippage, just that there was some. And the polls, including the ones you cite, back that up. He’s also lost some support among Republicans in general. While it’s hideous that 87% of them support him, that’s actually off the highest numbers he had.
Bear in mind that he has essentially no voters to lose – if he lost 2% of his voters in the three awful states, it probably would be President Clinton.
Mnemosyne
@Aleta:
Thank you. Sometimes it’s all I can offer, unfortunately.
Goku
@Bailey: It doesn’t mean they won’t eventually be demoralized. It’ll take time for the spell to wear off
SatanicPanic
@SiubhanDuinne:
Can we stop with this? There is no other vehicle for fighting the Republicans. NONE. Booing them is stupid. We need to get comfortable with saying “if we lose, it’s the Republicans’ fault, if bad things happen, it’s the Republicans’ fault, EVERYTHING is the Republicans’ fault, because they suck and are evil, the end”. We are past the time when we have the luxury of pooping on our own team.
Tilda Swintons Bald Cap
These people are just sick, perverted, monsters.
Mnemosyne
@efgoldman:
I always assume they troll in lieu of hiring a dominatrix. Yes, mistress! Whip me again!
Baud
@SatanicPanic: Agree.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
And now the Senate Republicans say the House vote was all BS anyway, that now they will come up with thier own law.
Chet Murthy
@Mnemosyne:
QFT. Not just a fool — such a one has been taken in by the con.
Yarrow
@Mnemosyne: Like I said, I don’t really care what she does. If there are Dems talking about her running for office they need to STFU. If she’s raising money for Democrats of any gender, then that’s fantastic and more power to her.
lamh36
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@SatanicPanic: @Baud: Hear, hear, heard.
sharl
@TenguPhule: It might be prudent for Issa to retire, but if he’s planning that, he hasn’t clued in his spokesman Calvin Moore, who was in a frenzy trying to spin the reporting staff of that San Diego paper (it’s in the article I linked to).
farthestnorth
My congressman, Coffman CO6, voted no. Which I guess is good, but somehow makes me even madder because its obvious that he only did so because his leadership overlords gave him the ok because its such a swingy district and they didn’t need his vote. 2018 can’t come soon enough, but we won’t have this vote to hang around his neck. Oh well I suppose there will be more…
Chet Murthy
@farthestnorth: Per Josh Marshall, the vote to hang around his neck is the one to elect Ryan insead of Pelosi. “Want credit for opposing Trumpcare? Then you shoulda voted for Pelosi for Speaker!”
Tilda Swintons Bald Cap
@SatanicPanic: Maybe the Dems can win with this as an issue or not. Maybe a sizable chunk of the country has lost its mind and doesn’t care what the Republicans do.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Bailey: Fuck the fuck off.
cain
@Archon:
Imagine that hey can get away with it.. that’s how stupid this country is.
SatanicPanic
@Baud: Thank you. I just imagine some people going into battle with, say, the Axis in WWII and being like “If we can’t win this battle, then we deserve to be taken over!” like, wait, what?
Goku
@Bailey: Well, then, I think you’re wrong. If you’re right, it’ll be civil violence time. Fuck GOP and it’s stupid fucking voters
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Bailey: Nah, I’m good.
Now, fuck the fuck off.
Miss Bianca
@Yarrow:
No, they don’t. I don’t think she will, personally, but any Democrat is free, as far as I’m concerned, to talk about the possibility. But you’re working yourself up into a lather about a nothingburger. Perhaps finding some baby otters to punch for the crime of being cute while The World Burns would help you to chill out.
Baud
@SatanicPanic: It’s truly mind-boggling the type of rhetoric we use against ourselves. But it’s so common that I don’t think most people even stop to think about it.
Mnemosyne
@Bailey:
So when you were bashing “Clinton voters,” you were including yourself in that group?
SatanicPanic
@Tilda Swintons Bald Cap: Yes, if we can’t win on this, then we have to win on something else. I don’t know what it is, I don’t think anyone does, we just have to keep trying.
Yarrow
@Miss Bianca:
What the hell?
Bishop Bag
@Mnemosyne: I know… Dead thread… Just called Paul Cook’s (CA-8) Yucaipa office to voice displeasure at Cook voting to gut Medicaid provisions and allowing preexisting conditions on all veterans in his district..Guy on phone told me that the bill does not do anything to affect anyone’s Medicaid or allow preexisting conditions to return as factors. I suggested he reread the language of the bill. Sorry, not really thinking clearly today…What a terrible day for the United States….
schrodingers_cat
@SiubhanDuinne: Charlie Pierce can go fuck himself or what@SatanicPanic: said. He was quite the bro during the primaries. There is very high correlation between the doom and gloomers on our side and BS support.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Pithy frothing
Now, fuck the fuck off.
Mnemosyne
@Bailey:
And you don’t see the world the same way as “Clinton voters,” a separate group from yourself.
Funny how all of our Sanders trolls claim they totally voted for Hillary but manage to slip up, every time.
mdblanche
@Tilda Swintons Bald Cap: Worst porno premise ever.
schrodingers_cat
@Chet Murthy: They have helped switboat 3 Dem candidates HRC, Kerry and Gore. NYT is Republican Times.
Goku
@Bailey: Also, I think more people are becoming aware of the awfulness of Republicans and organizing. The fact that a repuke in KS almost lost is a sign of changing times.
Marcopolo
@donnah: I would guess that means he had permission to vote no from Ryan. More importantly, though, is no matter how he voted today, he voted to make Ryan Speaker back in January so fck him. The ACA/AHCA situation wouldn’t be occurring w/ a Dem Speaker. I hope everyone keeps that in mind when saying nice things about R’s who voted no.
Mnemosyne
@Bailey:
I know, it’s so weird that people would be upset about 24 million Americans losing their healthcare coverage, or be worried about our fellow commenters who are one hospital stay away from bankruptcy.
Why can’t we just take your don’t worry, be happy attitude and not bother our beautiful minds worrying about the people who are going to die thanks to this bill?
randy khan
@Bishop Bag:
That’s going to be their line – the bill doesn’t hurt anyone because, well, because nothing. It’s important to push back on that publicly.
frosty
@ArchTeryx: Congratulations and best of luck with it. I look forward to fighting beside you.
efgoldman
@Felonius Monk:
That’s why the qualifying “if”.
I don’t really think so, either
The Blog Dahlia
@Bailey:
Hey look, a man wants a woman to shut up in public forever.
Mnemosyne
@Bailey:
Actually, I’m pretty sure that Clinton and Trump voters do interpret his actions the same way. We both think his actions are an attempt to bring a white supremacist government back to the United States that will keep the Blacks, browns, Muslims, and uppity women down.
The only difference is that Clinton voters think that’s a bad thing, and Trump voters think that’s a good thing. They are currently rejoicing because all of the lazy non-white moochers and whorish women are going to lose their healthcare, and they don’t care about any consequences to themselves.
SatanicPanic
@Baud: It’s frustrating man. I want people to talk about this stuff like it matters.
Mnemosyne
@Bailey:
Sure, whip it out. But I know I’m safe, because you don’t have it. And you aren’t as good with Photoshop as you think you are.
Mnemosyne
@Bailey:
Uh-huh. Good luck trying that one. I’m sure we’ve got it all wrong and you’re actually a disabled Black lesbian separatist who just happens to spout the exact same talking points as a “progressive” white dudebro.
Miss Bianca
@Yarrow: oh, wait, you’re *not* the one who said
in Betty’s thread? My apologies – must have been some *other* guy named Yarrow. You know, I’m glad it wasn’t you.
A Ghost to Most
@farthestnorth:
Yes we will; he was released to vote No when the fix was in. The shitweasel wants it both ways. People will remember.
Goku
@Bailey:
But here’s the thing: what if the Den base stays energized and the Repukes get demoralized? It can happen
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Bailey:
huh
so she has not much to offer to… the non-public that would benefit from her good works…?
you gave that typing much bigly thinked, weren’t you?
now, fuck the fuck off
Mnemosyne
@Bailey:
Hey, I already know you’re going to make bogus offers all day long, so why not go big? Maybe you can try to convince us that you’re Susan Sarandon herownself, and you totally would have revealed it, except we were too mean to you.
Goku
@Bailey: I actually just think you’re an obnoxious contrarian
Yarrow
@Miss Bianca: I don’t care about them today, no. I didn’t say I was going to punch them.
I am not the only one who is facing loss of coverage, medical bankruptcy and possible death of myself and/or loved ones because of today’s vote who said they couldn’t handle the cute otters today. Have a look through the thread. There are several of us who couldn’t handle the otters.
Mnemosyne
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
It’s okay, I’m sure that Bailey is really a transgender Latina polyamorist who just happens to spout the same talking points as a white dudebro. It’s such a coincidence!
(And if I’m offending anyone with these imaginary personae, I apologize.)
Mnemosyne
@Yarrow:
No, you’re not. But you may need to take a break because you’re starting to lash out at people who are on your side.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Goku: oh hell, that one would need a GPS and an experienced driver to get to anything as coherent as contrarianism. S/he’s just obnoxious.
Goku
@Bailey: I still think that will change when many lose their care. They’ll blame Trump for that. Pres always gets blamed. It’s simply too early to tell for sure
Mnemosyne
@Bailey:
You seem to have trouble understanding the difference between delusion and mockery.
We’re not mocking you because we’re delusional. We’re mocking you because you’re a joke. You have nothing interesting to say and yet you persist in coming here, year after year, and saying it anyway.
Goku
@Bailey: They’re not you disingenuous dick
Mnemosyne
@Bailey:
Aww, poor baby. Is white dudebro so unaccustomed to being mocked that he has to go into deep denial when it happens?
It’s okay. I’m sure your mommy will reassure you later that the other kids are just jealous and that’s why they mock you.
What’s weird is that you haven’t picked up on how many people in this thread are mocking you. There are at least four of us.
Omnes Omnibus
@Mnemosyne: And this is why I chose not to engage.
Goku
@Bailey:
Mnem was obviously talking about other commenters and including themselves. You just wanted to be an asshole. Go fuck yourself. Nobody wants you here. You must really be into torturing yourself
Mnemosyne
@Bailey:
Yes, comfort yourself by pretending that I have a bunch of sock puppets and only one person here thinks you’re a moron.
Who’s delusional now, sweetie?
Mnemosyne
@Omnes Omnibus:
Well, I need to take my rage over the healthcare vote out somewhere. A troll is as good a place as any.
ETA: Though I’m now wondering if Bailey is a late unlamented troll under a new nym. I seem to recall a particular one getting huffy if I dared use the word “we” in a thread where multiple people were piling on. Timmy, is that you?
Goku
@Bailey:
1. No I’m not
2. I just can’t imagine liking commenting at a place that hates my guts. Ergo, you must like the abuse. Like that Offspring song, “Self-esteem”.
Goku
@Bailey:
Someone who’s not insecure about themselves. I’m done with your douchey bs. GFY
TenguPhule
@sharl: Ah, got my GOP dicks mixed up.
Goku
@Bailey: kys. No one will miss you
Ruckus
I go for a nice day at work, come home to this? Troll for B,L,D. Who ordered that shit?
The Blog Dahlia
@Bailey:
You’re far too ‘splainy to be anything else.
The Blog Dahlia
@Bailey:
Whatever gender you are, you’re definitely a sea lion.