Even without mentioning Trump, it’s hard not to think Obama is subtweeting him here https://t.co/dbnV9AoAot
— Bradd Jaffy (@BraddJaffy) May 8, 2017
Hometown paper, the Boston Globe:
… Obama received the award, created to honor the country’s 35th president, for his overall contributions to public life, including his achievements on key policy issues and his historic victory as the nation’s first African-American president, according to the John F. Kennedy Library Foundation, which administers the award…
On the red carpet before the event, the state’s US senators, Edward J. Markey and Elizabeth Warren, mingled not far from current and former Massachusetts constitutional officers, including Attorney General Maura Healey, Secretary of State William F. Galvin, and former governor Deval Patrick.
Mayor Martin J. Walsh was there. So were Cardinal Sean P. O’Malley and Congressman Seth Moulton.
Governor Charlie Baker, a Republican, eschewed the red carpet, instead slipping in a side door.
University of Massachusetts president Martin T. Meehan walked down the carpet, as did New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft, retired late night TV host David Letterman, Republican Senator Jeff Flake of Arizona, local political adviser Will Keyser, and famed historian David McCullough.
Asked about Obama’s legacy, McCullough said, “You have to wait 50 years for the dust to settle, but it looks good.”…
Obama closed his remarks Sunday by saying history does not move in a straight line. He challenged the room to continue to push for progress.
As he often did as president, Obama recalled a quote from Martin Luther King Jr., who said that the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice. Obama said that arc does not bend on its own.
“It bends because we bend it,” he said. “Because we put our hand on that arc and we move it in the direction of justice. And freedom. And equality, and kindness, and generosity. It doesn’t happen on its own.”
Obama using his profile in courage speech to uphold those who, in 2010, voted for health care. Many of whom lost their congressional seats.
— Matt Viser (@mviser) May 8, 2017
“It actually doesn’t take a lot of courage to aid those who are already powerful” Obama says. “It does to champion the vulnerable. And sick”
— Matt Viser (@mviser) May 8, 2017
Baud
I hope his star continues to get even brighter as time goes on.
We have a lot of work to do.
Lapassionara
@Baud: me too
TenguPhule
But Trump is determined to be the anti-Obama.
Up to and including repeating Bush’s folly in Afghanistan.
Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD)
It looks like we’ve got our first “lol the French media are DOING IT WRONG by not fucking EMAILZ chicken” piece of the week. It’s that level of journalistic integritude that nets one first in line for the woodchipper or a CNN/FTFNYT promotion.
TenguPhule
@Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD):
Why not both?
Mezz
It’s really quite a world we live in. A man who stands upright for good things, embodied good moral values and decision making, loved and respected his family and colleagues, and (imho as a historian) was a very excellent Executive – is reviled, denounced and repudiated. Repudiated by a misogynistic, ethno-nationalist, fat-headed ignoramus whose existence in that office is an affront to all moral decency.
Who else misses him? When can we start the meme?
Baud
@Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD): The French dodged fascism. I’m sure they aren’t concerned right now about what politico thinks.
Westyny
My President . . .
Omnes Omnibus
@Baud:
I am not French, but I can say that I am not concerned about what politico thinks.
amk
@Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD): gopolitico can go fuck itself.
Baud
@Omnes Omnibus: You are smart.
Steve in the ATL
Apropos of nothing but my upcoming stay, is the Boston Park Plaza hotel a decent place?
Jeffro
Obama IS a walking subtweet to Trump.
( actually he’s much bigger than that with a much higher purpose … but he still manages to cover the nation’s trump-subtweet needs just fine thank you ?)
Corner Stone
@Steve in the ATL: Damn. Talk about a slow learner.
Omnes Omnibus
@Baud: I know.
lollipopguild
@Mezz: Just about anyone who is not a brain dead idiot will miss him. He is a walking talking repudiation of a racist’s beliefs. He had to be attacked and destroyed. He could not be allowed to get anything done.
Steve in the ATL
@Corner Stone: yeah, I’m hoping that this time I can get home with 48-72 hours of my scheduled departure….
TenguPhule
@Steve in the ATL: Flying United? Or Delta?
JMG
Obama will be increasingly reviled by the majority of white people who voted for Trump the more obvious it becomes they were fools to do so. Look for retroactive treason prosecution by 2019.
Steve in the ATL
@TenguPhule: Delta, but I will be sure to void my bladder before we taxi away from the gate. While I have never been beaten or bloodied, I have never had a good experience on United.
TenguPhule
@Steve in the ATL: At least the food is edible then. They were the only domestic airline I ever got a steak meal on a flight. Granted, that was over 15 years ago….
Anne Laurie
@Steve in the ATL:
Well, they were pretty good as a (hobby) convention hotel, which is the only reason I’ve ever stayed there.
They’re nicely located for walking, especially for the theatre district… you should have more food choices than you did on your last trip, at least.
jharp
So utterly depressing that we replaced the amazing and thoughtful Barack Obama with the ignorant racist vile piece of human garbage Donald Trump.
Aleta
Instruction in cowardice
(while surrounded by schoolchildren)
Steve in the ATL
@TenguPhule: on my last trip to Boston, I flew up there in business class and was served shrimp over orzo, with a table cloth on my tray table. The passengers back in steerage got peanuts. As did I on my back to Atlanta!
@Anne Laurie: good to know; thank you
Jeffro
@Aleta: speaking of cowardice apparently some lady got thrown out of her representatives office in North Carolina today ? With her baby on her hip ?
Seems to be making the rounds on the book of faces
Steve in the ATL
@Jeffro: North Carolina is trying so hard to be South Carolina
SiubhanDuinne
@Jeffro:
Do you have any more detail than that? Name of representative or district number? I’ve done a bit of general keyword googling and can’t find anything.
Davis X. Machina
How many times did he mention the public option, huh? Huh?
jharp
@Steve in the ATL:
I once was upgraded to first class from business class on a flight from Hong Kong to somewhere in the U.S.
Chateaubriand and caviar and iced vodka…
I believe a first class ticket like that today is around $15,000. Business class about half of that.
schrodingers_cat
@JMG: Sowing despair, you are doing it wonderfully. Great job.
Chet Murthy
@schrodingers_cat: *cough* Uh, I thought JMG was engaging in … uh…. snarky comedy?
Turgidson
No mention of Willard Mitt “Mittens” Romney being in attendance. What a shame.
schrodingers_cat
@Chet Murthy: He has been spreading doom and gloom since T’s election, I don’t think he is trying to be funny.
A Ghost to Most
the Mercers must be stopped
More at the link about CA research into creating a pre-crime database for police, ala Minority Report.
Tenar Arha
@Steve in the ATL: It is a decent hotel as of about ~15 years ago. Used to be home base for Arisia which is why I’m familiar with it. Older hotel. But I remember furnishings okay back then, and it probably had a remodel or two. Some rooms shaped oddly because the hotel is a triangular building. Not only are you walking distance to the Theater District, Commons, Public Gardens, & Chinatown nearby too.
Aleta
Two bits of video, two different older woman questioning Blum.
Including this:
Another woman:
https://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/861747942759292928
His answer sucks. Sad to say, he took precautions to keep riffraff from outside his district out of the meeting. Then had to face the wrath of these two degenerate medicare queens.
Gin & Tonic
@Steve in the ATL: If you like to eat, walk over to the Townsman, on the corner of Kingston and Essex. It’s a 12-15 minute walk from your hotel. I guarantee you will not regret it.
Omnes Omnibus
@Steve in the ATL: @Tenar Arha: In the old days, he would have been close to the Combat Zone.
Adam L Silverman
@TenguPhule: He may try, but here too it can’t happen. We don’t have the force structure and readiness to do so. I would estimate it would take at least 24 months to spool up the conventional ground forces. And that’s just getting the units stood up. Not having them show green on all indicators to deploy for combat. We also have just about stretched our Special Forces to the breaking point. So there’s nothing left there to put into play as an expansion of efforts.
Adam L Silverman
@Steve in the ATL:
Would you like to be? I can make a call?//
Felonius Monk
@Omnes Omnibus:
I see you put the oxy with the moron again.
maryQ
Anybody watch “Barry” and ” Southside With You”? They are both really good. In “Barry”, young Barack Obama discovers that, no matter how he sees himself, everyone else sees him as a black man. He discovers what it is to be a black man. In “Southside”, a confidently black, charmingly arrogant Barack meets Shelley from Southside, who schools him on what it is really like to be black, and female. And there’s this great John Legend song st the closing credits that make me cry for what we’ve lost.
I saw both movies between the election and inauguration, also during a time when we were getting some not great health news about my daughter.
I will always be glad that I got to vote for Barack Obama twice, and experience his presidency as an adult.
Omnes Omnibus
@Adam L Silverman: Leather and heels or baseball bats and brass knuckles?
Adam L Silverman
@A Ghost to Most: It is based on this article in The Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/07/the-great-british-brexit-robbery-hijacked-democracy?CMP=share_btn_tw
SiubhanDuinne
@maryQ:
Good, healing thoughts for your daughter.
I haven’t seen “Barry,” but I loved “Southside.” From your description, would love to see them back to back.
Adam L Silverman
@Omnes Omnibus: Pummelee’s choice.
amygdala
@Steve in the ATL: I spent a couple of nights there maybe five years or so ago for work. Nothing special, for good or for bad, kind of an old-school business hotel. If it hasn’t been updated since then, it might be a little worn.
As has been noted, it’s in a good location. Lots of T stations nearby which makes the rest of the city very accessible, too.
Safe and happy travels.
SiubhanDuinne
@Aleta:
That was just … bizarre.
Major Major Major Major
@Omnes Omnibus: I think Adam prefers axes.
@Turgidson: Jeff Flake, though??
Omnes Omnibus
@Major Major Major Major: He was talking about making a call not offering to do it himself.
Ruckus
@Adam L Silverman:
It doesn’t seem like actually being prepared or giving a shit that anyone else is either, is a dumpf trait. And sending troops to places with inadequate plans, ideas, intelligence (especially intelligence) also seems to be, how do you say it, a conservative concept. So I’d expect the orders to go out soon. Very soon.
Jeffro
@SiubhanDuinne: Julia Marie Forbes Anderson, thrown out of Patrick Henry’s office?
Jeffro
@Ruckus: should be exciting to see how the brass slow walks that order if and when it truly comes through
Major Major Major Major
@Omnes Omnibus: mister pedantic over here.
ETA: “Bureaucrat Conrad, you are technically correct. …the best kind of correct.”
-Futurama
Adam L Silverman
@Ruckus: I expect there will be significant push back from the Pentagon.
Omnes Omnibus
@Jeffro: Nelsonian blind eye?
Omnes Omnibus
@Major Major Major Major: Conspiracy cases require precision.
Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD)
@Felonius Monk: The thing is, since Allen and VandeHei left Politico has become at least generally decent; honestly, CNN is probably the only place that isn’t too good for Shafer’s brand of overt nihilism.
Thru the Looking Glass...
@Omnes Omnibus:
Why does it have to be one or the other?
SiubhanDuinne
@Jeffro:
Ah, Patrick McHenry. I never met him personally, but I remember visiting his district office in 2012 or -13. IIRC, staffers were True Believers. (Reason I asked is that I live within reasonable driving distance and, if he manages to get a decent Dem challenger in 2018, I’ll be up there volunteering. Never too early to start planning for the Resistance.)
Omnes Omnibus
@Thru the Looking Glass…: Golly, I lead such a vanilla life.
SiubhanDuinne
@Thru the Looking Glass…:
Exactly. This is a “both/and” kind of place.
West of the Rockies (been a while)
@Aleta:
Damn but those Republican snowflakes are fragile folk!
Thru the Looking Glass...
@Omnes Omnibus:
There… I’m not the only one who sees the possibilities…
That’s what we’re here for… to expand your horizons…
GregB
Adam,
Any word on the South Korean election and what the winner’s plans on dealing with the North and America will be?
A Ghost to Most
@Adam L Silverman: This truly is a full service blog.
Steve in the ATL
@SiubhanDuinne: and that is why we all keep coming back here
ETA: and thanks thanks all for the Boston tips. If you think of anything else in that area worth seeing, eating, drinking, beating, or bloodying, please let me know!
sdhays
@Aleta: According to Wikipedia, Blum represents a D+1 district, so I wonder at what point he comes to grips with the idea that he’s not going be back in Congress in 2019.
That link is pretty interesting. Steve “Pig Shit” King has an R+11 district, but the others are all R+1 or D+1.
Adam L Silverman
@GregB: Polls open a couple of hours ago. Haven’t seen any returns and I have no idea how the ROK does this. As in complete blackout till everything is counted, exit polls, etc. The front runner is still the leftist candidate, Moon Jae In with the centrist candidate the closest competition. And there are 11 other candidates as well. Mr. Moon has made it clear he wants to reopen dialogue with the DPRK and has concerns about the US’s military presence in the ROK. That’s all I got.
Adam L Silverman
@A Ghost to Most: We like to go that extra mile.
Omnes Omnibus
@Steve in the ATL: If you can bear preppies, 75 Chestnut is nice.
Jeffro
@SiubhanDuinne: he’s probably on Swing Left’s target list already – go for it! I’m gonna help do the same up here w/ Barbara Freaking Comstock next year!
A Ghost to Most
@Adam L Silverman: thanks. I normally don’t do the Guardian, but my hatred of the Mercers and Erik Prince is far deeper. These people are dangerous.
Jeffro
@Omnes Omnibus: Yup. It’s the responsible thing to do.
“Yes sir, Mr. Trumpov sir, get right on that sir…”
Heck, they only have to phone him once a month or so and tell him they’re winning – like he’ll know any different?
Adam L Silverman
@sdhays: If I read the transcripts right, he actually said that when the high risk pool $8 billion runs out and Congress has to vote to refresh the fund, he doesn’t expect to still be in Congress. This was at the town hall where he got button holed by the two women on Medicare.
Adam L Silverman
@A Ghost to Most: This particular article is the latest in a series of four or five by the same reporter. She’s done great work. You’ll find the links to her earlier reporting in the article I linked to. I highly recommend taking the time to read all of her related reporting.
Jeffro
Just a quick note to all: even the blessed CNN has up a huge graphic showing the links between Flynn, assorted other people/institutions (like RT), and Putin. Which means we’re getting closer…because if even a CNN viewer can connect the dots…
Jeffro
@Adam L Silverman:
This is the same kind of mindset that says, “Hey, let’s mine and burn all the coal…after all, I won’t be here when the temp is 110 degrees and we’re basically Waterworld“. Unbelievable. No connection to any other human beings or broader interests, just this clown, looking out for #1.
MomSense
@Steve in the ATL:
The neighborhood has some great places to eat. I spent three days nearby (Tufts New England Medical) with my mom two weeks ago. We stayed at a different hotel because it was closer for my mom to walk in her state and the hospital has a program for reduced rates for patients.
I ate all the Chinese dumplings and now I’m experiencing horrible withdrawal. Still worth it.
FlyingToaster
@Omnes Omnibus:
The ‘Zone was down to three blocks when I got here in ’87. By the early 90s the Borg that is Chinatown had absorbed the last of it and now we have “The Ladder District” between Downtown Crossing and Chinatown. No more Windsor Button (sigh).
Fortunately, the Park Plaza is a great convention hotel, and walking distance from decent food in Chinatown and Back Bay. And T-able to Cambridge, Somerville or out to JP.
Adam L Silverman
@Jeffro: Don’t forget your water wings!
Omnes Omnibus
@MomSense: The Double Tree? That’s where I stayed the last time I was in Boston.
danielx
@Adam L Silverman:
Likely there will be, but I have not noticed that Trump takes more notice of military reality than he does of any other reality. Nor cares, for that matter. He wants what he wants and he wants it now, much like any other eight year old.
I shouldn’t wonder if the thinking goes something like this on his part:
Hell, they keep telling me the 82nd Airborne is the ready division of the whole fucking Army. If it’s ready, start them over there next week and if they’re not ready, what are we paying all those tax dollars for? I want somebody fired!
MomSense
@Omnes Omnibus:
Yup.
Mnemosyne
I’m playing around with online quizzes for my characters. Took a basic MBTI for my two protagonists and just realized I should take one for the villain as well.
MomSense
@FlyingToaster:
I still miss Windsor Button. I was trying to remember which street it was on.. Was it Temple Place?
Omnes Omnibus
@Mnemosyne: What personality types did you get? I am guessing that the villain is an ENTP.
Mnemosyne
@Omnes Omnibus:
I’m using this pretty basic site. I got INTJ for my heroine and ESTP for the hero. I know I’m on the right track, because when I looked at the potential careers for those types, one of hers is “librarian” (which is her archetype) and one of his is “seafaring” (and I set him up to be a shipbuilder). Plus the site let me plug in their scores for a basic Jung Marriage Test and they came up compatible.
I need to eat some dinner and then I’ll do the villain’s test. His motives changed very recently, so we’ll see how he turns out.
(Yes, I realize that Myers-Briggs has a certain amount of astrology/confirmation bias to it, but these are fictional people anyway.)
FlyingToaster
@MomSense: Chauncy Street, down from the back door out of Jordan Marsh. I used to hit it, several cheap fabric places down the same road past AveDeLafayette, the Chinese restaurant supply place down at the corner on Beach, and have all the costuming stuff fill my backpack (one costume did involve a cleaver) and then grab lunch in Chinatown and take box of pastries from HsingHsing home. The really sketchy dives were mostly on Washington and just at the beginning of Beech, so I could avoid them.
efgoldman
@Steve in the ATL:
Seriously, email Cole and ask him. That’s where her stayed when he was here.
As far as I know, it’s a fairly standard business-person’s hotel. Very hold building, obvs been renovated several times. It was originally a Statler, and the Boston NBC Radio affiliate studios were inside with a picture window to the sidewalk into the late 60s. There used to be a Trader Vic’s in the loby, back when it was considered exotic.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE HERE LONG ENOUGH FOR A MEETUP, AND WE DON’T HAVE ONE, YOU ARE DEAD TO ME!!
Adam L Silverman
@danielx: A good chunk of them are in Iraq.
sharl
@GregB: Two people I look in on occasionally are the Korean-expat behind “Ask A Korean”, and Tim Shorrock – both links go to their twitter accounts, where you will find occasional links to news articles, the more recent ones being heavy on ROK politics and the election.
The person behind Ask A Korean has lived in the US for awhile, but seems to stay in touch with his home country and tends to provide very in-depth blog posts (link to his blog is in his twitter bio); there’s nothing real recent there, but the last April post has a detailed backgrounder on the candidates. Tim Shorrock is an American who grew up in Korea and Japan, and speaks fluent Korean. He often brings a leftie perspective to his writing, so as long as you bear that in mind, I think you’ll find his stuff pretty informative.
Last time I looked, Shorrock was reporting that Trump had rattled many ROK voters with his verbal diarrhea on DPRK and insistence on sticking ROK with the bill for installing the THAAD defensive missile system, which a lot of ROK folks – I think younger people in particular – didn’t really want in the first place. Some polling and on-the-street interviews indicated that a lot of ROK voters are more worried about Trump than they are about DPRK’s leader Kim Jong-un, which would probably help the leftist candidate (I forget who that is; it may be the guy Adam cited).
Our orange reality TV leader is truly the gift that keeps on giving.
FlyingToaster
@efgoldman: Cole stayed over by the Common at the Parker House, right in the middle of Beacon Hill bland food zone.
efgoldman
@Adam L Silverman:
A committee of generals needs to tell him that it’s a tradition from the Revolutionary War that the commander in chief personally lead the troops into battle, bearing the union pennant.
Either he says “never mind” or he does it.
Win/win.
SFAW
@efgoldman:
I have little doubt he will be here long enough for one. I also have little doubt that most of that time — perhaps weeks — will be spent in Logan’s Terminal E, where he will be waiting in vain for his flight back to Atlanta (or wherever he lives these days).
Adam L Silverman
@efgoldman: I’d kill to be the slide jockey for that briefing.
efgoldman
@Omnes Omnibus:
You’ve been flogging that place forever, from 1000 miles away. I mean it’s nice, but….
GregB
@sharl:
Thanks and thanks Adam too.
Funny the folks who are so invested in the concept of a powerful have done the most to diminish American power at a rapid pace by voting for Mandarin Moron.
MomSense
@FlyingToaster:
That’s it. I think they had a smaller shop on Temple Place. Lately when I’m in Boston it’s for medical reasons so I don’t get to just go out and explore on foot. If you think driving in Boston is challenging, try navigating the streets with someone who is temporarily blindish.
SFAW
@FlyingToaster:
Aided and abetted by the chaps in Government Center, and the State House (who had made it clear in the 1970s that they wanted to get rid of it).
Schmendrick
@SiubhanDuinne: I typically spend a month or three in NC each year visiting grandchildren. If we are here during an appropriate time next year I think that sounds like a great way to spend a weekend or two during election season.
amk
@sharl: Didn’t the koreans hold a big rally against the THADD coupla months back?
Mnemosyne
@Omnes Omnibus:
Your prediction was very close — the villain came out as ESTP, but with only a 1 percent bend towards S instead of N.
efgoldman
@FlyingToaster:
mrs efg worked in Jordan’s Basement (now Macy’s) when we were first married; I thought she was gonna’ cry when Windsor Button announced it was closing. Employee entrance was literally around the corner.
Also this week, the owner of Keezer’s in Cambridge, where I and tens of thousands of others bought our formal wear, announced he’s closing in July if he can’t find a buyer for the business.
Harvard Square, of course, has long since turned into an upscale franchise and preppy mall. No more used book/music stores, no more cheap restaurants (except Mr Barclay’s), no more Wursthaus….
Omnes Omnibus
@efgoldman: IIRC, I have mentioned it twice. Once as a joke about a location for a BJ meet-up. And tonight as a suggestion for a private college, frat joining lawyer.
GregB
A helpful guide for urban and suburban exploring throughout the world.
http://www.atlasobscura.com/
SiubhanDuinne
@Schmendrick:
I hope you will, and I hope we can craft a BJ meetup out of it.
MomSense
@efgoldman:
Please tell me Schoenhof’s is still there.
SiubhanDuinne
@efgoldman:
Oh hellz, he lives about two miles from me and I still haven’t met him after all these years.
efgoldman
@FlyingToaster:
Oh yeah. I replied too fast and got my Park….s confused
Trader Vic’s used to be a good place for a first date dinner. More impressive than regular Chinese (Joyce Chen and the Szechuan/Mandarin revolution hadn’t really caught hold yet) but not outrageously expensive.
Of course in those days you could drive into downtown, and park at a reasonable price, in the evening.
[I’m wicked old]
efgoldman
@MomSense:
That’s how most of the drivers do it.
MomSense
@efgoldman:
I pulled the I used to go to Fenway and see the Red Sox play for $10 including round trip T fare and a hot dog.
Adam L Silverman
@GregB: I fixed your comment so the link isn’t capturing the reply button.
efgoldman
@SFAW:
Mostly aided and abetted (in most cities) by the intartoobz (why go in to a crappy, expensive, potentially dangerous part of the city when you can just turn on your computer and modem); and gentrification – the demand for real estate in a physically small city isn’t QUITE the same as San Francisco or Manhattan, but still…
efgoldman
@MomSense:
Sort of
SFAW
@efgoldman:
No more (original) Locke-Ober, no more Cafe Budapest, no more Maison Robert, no more Hilltop. It’s fucking depressing sometimes, even if it’s a First World Problem.
SFAW
@efgoldman:
Yeah, not so much. By the time the intertoobz became a thing, I think the Zone was down to maybe one or two spots — my shitty memory is saying the Mousetrap and the Two O’Clock, but as I said, my memory’s shitty. I lived in Back Bay in the mid/late 1970s, and they were starting to “clean it up” even then.
sharl
@amk: I’m pretty sure there have been multiple protests against the THAAD system, though I don’t have a feel for the size of those protests, or just how extensive the opposition is nationwide. From Shorrock:
MomSense
@efgoldman: @SFAW:
Crap. I’m going to have to adopt some youngs to walk Boston with me the first couple times. Otherwise it is going to turn into a depressing what used to be there excursion.
No Locke Ober? Really?
Omnes Omnibus
@MomSense: My London from the ’80s no longer exists. My London from 2010 no longer exists. Why should your Boston be different?
ETA: Oddly, my Paris is always there. Just a step away….
efgoldman
@MomSense:
Oh, hell, I grew up in Brookline and could (and did) walk to Fenway.
Summer ’67 (Impossible Dream) I was working at WBUR, literally two blocks up Comm Ave from Kenmore Square. I’d call my mom, tell her I was going to the game, walk over, buy a sub at one of the greasy spoons, and go in, sit in the grandstand, for maybe $5-$6.
They only started selling out around Labor Day that year.
SFAW
@MomSense:
The original Locke-Ober closed awhile ago. Apparently some guy has opened a new place with the same name. Haven’t been there, don’t know anything about it.
SFAW
@Omnes Omnibus:
Because it’s The Hub of the Universe, bucko.
efgoldman
@SFAW:
Once that kid from Harvard got stabbed, that was the beginning of the end.
What most people don’t remember is that the guy who instigated the “adult entertainment zone” zoning and defined the boundaries was a top aide to legendary Mayor Kevin White; one of his “Little City Hall” (neighborhood office) managers, fella’ named Barney Frank.
GregB
@Adam L Silverman:
Thanks.
Omnes Omnibus
@SFAW: It is nowhere near Lambeau.
SFAW
@efgoldman:
Yeah, I remember Puopolo being murdered, I had forgotten that he was my age. I don’t think I ever knew that tidbit about Barney, however.
SFAW
@Omnes Omnibus:
Which is why it’s The Hub, thank FSM, and Wisconsin isn’t.
Of course, were there a Combat Zone in Green Bay, instead of rolling drunks, they’d be rolling cheese wheels. Good times!
Origuy
@Steve in the ATL: If you are interested in a B&B a little out of downtown, the Coolidge Corner Guest House in Brookline is very nice and not expensive. It’s close to a T stop and a block from Brookline’s main drag. They don’t do a full breakfast as the kitchen is kosher, but there are always eggs, bagels and other breakfast items.
rikyrah
@maryQ:
Seen Southside With You..loved it
Omnes Omnibus
@SFAW: Do you really want to put Boston up against Paris and London? I am going to go to bed. Have fun with that.
Lyrebird
@Steve in the ATL: As of 2014 the hotel had been updated. But think Paris in terms of scale – rooms are smaller than what you might expect, assuming more ATL hotels are newer construction.
Seconding all the comments re: Theater District and Boston Common. You’ll also be very close to Chinatown, which is not a combat zone, but do take a cab back rather than walking by yourself. If you like dim sum, *go*.
Lyrebird
@Omnes Omnibus: Good night! And Boston is awesome, but I bet the Paris Metro is easier to use for outsiders, even if they don’t speak French!
SFAW
@Omnes Omnibus:
Paris, Maine and London, Ontario? Sure
But not New London, CT — that’s a bridge (well, sub, I guess) too far.
efgoldman
@MomSense:
Sorry. I think I went there once, before the current mrs efg, which means more than 40 years ago.
Also Joyce Chen’s, Fantasia in Fresh Pond, Valle’s, Yoken’s Seafood just over the border in NH, Jack & Marion’s Deli in Coolidge Corner (menus almost too big to hold); Maison Robert in the Old City Hall on School Street (last link – no room for more); Cottage Crest in Waltham, Anthony’s Pier 4; Jimmy’s; Newbury Steak House; Toll House in Whitman, where the cookies were invented and young mrs efg learned to make them from the owner; Dini’s Seafood; Pieroni’s; Essex Deli; European….
And those are just places i ate. Some were favorites, some convenient , some special….
SFAW
@Lyrebird:
Which is why Omnes likes it.
MomSense
@Omnes Omnibus:
I was only in London briefly. I met a lovely couple (she was Australian and he was South African) who took me on a several day tour of the city. He loved history and she loved to drink so we would go visit a site and then go to a pub. It was the best city tour that I can’t really remember.
I miss Paris.
@efgoldman:
$6 got you a seat in the bleachers and hot dogs were only $2 in the 80s.
efgoldman
@SFAW:
And Bears or Lions fans.
GregB
@efgoldman:
Yoken’s: Thar she blows.
Lyrebird
@SFAW: New London even has ferries!!
MomSense
@SFAW:
If someone tells me Hanafin’s in New London is gone I’m going to lose it.
efgoldman
@MomSense:
I never liked steamed dogs/rolls. Still don’t. Plus one dog was definitely not enough for a high school or college boy.
In those days (60s-early 70s) nobody cared if you brought in your own food, they just wanted asses in the seats. A sub anywhere around Kenmore Square or BU was $3, maybe $4.
MomSense
@efgoldman:
The Boston matriarch in the family took us there once a year when we were kids. If we were well behaved we were presented with a present in a little green bag from Shreve Crump & Low.
SFAW
@Lyrebird:
I keep planning to take it to Orient Point, never make the time.
@MomSense:
Can’t help you there. Outside of Electric Boat, the sub museum (both of which are actually in Groton), the Coast Guard Academy, and the Cross-Sound Ferry, I’m not familiar with the town.
SFAW
@efgoldman:
Ah, memories of the Hawk Shops, lo these many years ago. And , yes, the “Hawk” is who you think it is/was. (No, not from Spenser.)
THe subs kinda sucked, but we didn’t really care.
efgoldman
@SFAW:
Filthy Fred’s (not the real name, but nobody knew what the real name was) across Bay State Rd from Myles Standish was popuiar, because he really filled ’em up. Elsie’s in Harvard Square, also too.
Lyrebird
@SFAW:
Haven’t taken it in decades, but from Amtrak it looks essentially unchanged. Maybe if you take up with a serious bird-watcher? The type who want to freeze in Montauk counting skuas or something? I don’t know if it’s a great ferry ride for a grownup… I liked the cool breeze and the candy.
MomSense
@SFAW:
Dammit google is not my friend tonight. It closed. I’m thinking of taking the train with my kid and going to visit the sub museum on the way to New York. The train ride is so beautiful between Boston and New London.
efgoldman
@MomSense:
Yelp says it’s gone. This article from last year says it was for sale.
But you can’t swing a dead snake a lot closer to you without hitting an Irish pub.
SFAW
@efgoldman:
I was on the other side of Mass Ave, didn’t really go into Kenmore too much, except on the way to Simmons, or to get a T-shirt at Deli Haus. Sometimes went to frat parties on Bay State, but not very often.
SFAW
@Lyrebird:
Not a birder, would rather take it in early summer. The thought would be to take bikes, pedal down Route 25 to Port Washington. (No, not really, that’s 80 or so miles.)
Ruckus
@Adam L Silverman:
@danielx:
Well short of it being an illegal order, how slow can they walk it? And I’d suspect that a few of those in the chain may feel that military power is there to be used, as danielx says. dumpf – “We paid for it, OK I didn’t, but still we have the greatest military, in the world, let’s use it and show the world we mean business.” IOW, how do they say no? Adam, I know that you’ve interacted with a lot of them and don’t think they’ll go along, but that is a constitutional crisis if I’ve ever heard of one. Do you really think the brass is going to do that? As an ex user of the leadership services of the military, I’m rather skeptical.