Via TPM:
A Republican political operative in Florida asked the alleged Russian hacker who broke into Democratic Party organizations’ servers at the height of the 2016 campaign to pass him stolen documents, according to a report Thursday by the Wall Street Journal.
In return, that operative received valuable Democratic voter-turnout analyses, which the newspaper found at least one GOP campaign used to its advantage. The hacker went on to flag that same data to Roger Stone, a longtime confidant of Donald Trump’s who briefly advised his presidential campaign, and who is currently under federal investigation for potential collusion with Russia.
The Wall Street Journal’s report presents the clearest allegations to date of collusion between people connected to Donald Trump’s campaign and Russia.
The Florida man in question is GOP consultant Aaron Nevins. A campaign consultant for U.S. Rep. Brian Mast (R-FL) admitted to using the stolen information to his candidate’s advantage. Funny that the tip of the iceberg would emerge in Florida of all places.
PS: I hope this story puts some focus back on the fact that other elections were tampered with — not just the presidential race. They’re going to keep doing it if we don’t stop them.
PPS: The funniest part of the story is that Roger Stone admits he received the stolen info but says he didn’t share it with anyone. As if the original ratfucker would leave a rat unfucked! It is to laugh…
Spanky
Ooooo. I just posted this down below:
That MO looks somewhat familiar, no?
Gin & Tonic
@Spanky: Fucking Hillary offs another one!
SiubhanDuinne
@Spanky:
Looks like shit may be getting real.
Chris
I just finished this movie “Clue” again.
Good Lord, was it ever topical. Between the Cold War era espionage, the rampant corruption among upstanding Americans, and the series of insane, improbable, and zany shenanigans that the cast has to go through to get to the truth… “Clue” is quite possibly THE defining movie of 2017. Even though it came out in 1985.
Tom Levenson
Sadly, federal elected officials (like congressmen) can’t be recalled. They can, however, be ejected by the body that seats them. In Mast’s case, that would be the House. I get that it’s vanishingly unlikely a GOP majority House would do so, but enough public exposure of collusion with an American adversary could build up the pressure to ditch the man before he brings others down.
Which is a long winded way of saying I really hope this story has legs (and a Fahrenhold-like reporter on the case.)
Spanky
@Gin & Tonic: She brained him with Vince Foster’s skull?
p.a.
I never know no Putin. I have my own fascists Senator.
Roger Moore
@Spanky:
It can’t be the Russians; no bathtub was involved.
efgoldman
@Spanky:
With his thigh bone. Makes a great club
Gin & Tonic
@Spanky: I wouldn’t put it past her.
tobie
This is the tip of the iceberg. More will come. I just wonder at what point we can talk about stolen elections.
Timurid
@efgoldman:
She actually filed Seth Rich’s mummified member into a shank…
lamh36
Again…Don’t think some of them get it…if dude wins and never gets prosecuted, …if too many members of the press lets this assault slide, it’s TRULY open season, and the next time will go farther than a body slam…smh
@KyungLahCNN
MT GOP voter, upon learning we’re from @CNN: “You’re lucky someone doesn’t pop one of you.”
p.a.
@tobie: shrill! unhinged! moving forward not back!
efgoldman
Holy shit! My mom had (fairly distant) cousins named Nevins in Florida.
WSJ, boys and girls. Not some liberal rag or the Intercept.
craigie
Yowza.
lamh36
lamh36
On this Hacker collusion…what’s the end game, will he get prosecuted on a federal level?
p.a.
@efgoldman:
Unwelcome info, therefore liberal. qed
lamh36
les
Ya know, this particular kind of info wouldn’t mean shit if fuckin’ lazy ass Americans could be arsed to take civic responsibility and vote. Half the damn voters (less the chunk that are prevented by Rethug suppression) should be slapped silly. Or Tenguphuled. Whatever.
randy khan
Roger Stone didn’t give it to anyone, but he did leave it taped to the back of a park bench in Manhattan and mentioned to Manafort that he might find something interesting there. (Just speculating, of course . . . )
jl
@craigie: Yowza indeed. The story implicates both GOP party establishment operatives and Trumpsters collaborating with either the foreign hacker, or Russia, or both.
No wonder the GOP House doesn’t want to investigate, and the Turtle wouldn’t respond to questions about the investigation the other day, but just grimly walked on.
Chaffetz better get on that plane back to Utah right quick. Events will soon lap his attempt to flee the scene.
lamh36
saw some reporter lady on MSNBC talking bout Trump being stupid on twitter was more open to press than Obama who did not interact…bish what?
So, The one who talks to you but ONLY with abusive words and actions, at least he’s more interacting than the one who may NOT have talked to you often, but did so w/respect.
Fuq’n clueless
randy khan
@lamh36:
They are very bad people.
I just had some bozo tell me on Facebook that he would have been happy if Trump had shoved Merkel aside during the NATO summit photo op. I really wonder who raised some of these folks.
Chris
@efgoldman:
Yeah, that immediately occurred to me too. It says something that even conservative media is willing to print this.
efgoldman
@p.a.:
Uncle Rupert owns it
Jeffro
@Tom Levenson: Slim to none chance (especially with Gorsuch now seated on SCOTUS) buuuutttt…if the presidential and/or congressional elections were decided by the acts of war of a hostile foreign power, aided by treasonous Americans, it’s hard to see how those elections’ results should stand (and suits to that effect could and should progress until they reach the Supremes).
It’s the equivalent of the Russians bombing Democratic HQ, aided by Republican laser targeting on the ground. No way that should be rewarded by letting the targeters take office and run the country.
Immanentize
@Chris: WSJ owned by Rupert Murdoch no less. Makes me go: Hmmmm.
lamh36
@lamh36:
Jeffro
PS This story is out of Florida…wait until we get a few out of Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin…
jl
Funny, I was just thinking odd that no new Trump/Russian collusion stories were breaking today.
So, now I can sit here and wonder why only one.
That’s how it’s been going lately. Really fast by historical executive branch scandal standards.
TenguPhule
@les:
I’m a verb now?
Enhanced Voting Techniques
Well, well, this wasn’t something I consider this TPM article basically argues these 5:00pm news dumps are from some goverment Deep Throat, it’s the Washington Post and the New York Times and CNN are competing for eyeballs and it takes their staff 6-8 hours to get the story ready for publishing. In otherwords there is so much stuff going on with the Trump admin three differant new orginizations can dump a bombshell of their own every day.
TenguPhule
@lamh36:
Bad things happen when Republicans smile.
TenguPhule
@Enhanced Voting Techniques:
And the scary thing is that they still have a backlog, hence every day is simply trying to catch up.
tobie
@Jeffro:
I’m on the same page as you.
By the way, do we know how the info made its way to the light? Was the operative caught out? Did someone rat on him? Did someone have a pang of conscience? Forget the latter–we’re talking about GOP operatives, who by definition don’t have a conscience.
TenguPhule
@lamh36:
Leopards, Faces.
Immanentize
@jl: I was thinking about this earlier today and I think the whole day with NATO allies has gone so badly for Trump that no news organization wanted to obscure how much he just stepped on his own dick. Sadly, the country’s as well.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@lamh36:
Let me translate that – from the point of view of someone who works in the news media Dumbass foot always in mouth, dick always shot off Donald is better for buisness than No Drama Obama. They all want to right a serious news story that effects the nation, now they have their chance.
Miss Bianca
@TenguPhule:
Yep…as in, “if a few more of these smug, hateful, right-wing assholes got Tenguphuled right in the kisser, they might not sound so gleeful about reporters getting beat up.”
efgoldman
@TenguPhule:
If the foo shits….
les
@TenguPhule:
Sorry, T, lost my head. I actually really don’t like turning nouns to verbs, but my lazy ass generation just piss me off. And you come up with more creative solutions than I do.
Aleta
@TenguPhule: Would love to ask any of Them if the reporter had the right to shoot Gian. in self defense.
Chris
@lamh36:
One of the last major moments in my political education was in the early Obama years, when I reposted that video of the Oakland PD tossing a grenade over a protester’s unconscious corpse, and for my trouble got multiple comments from right wing relatives laughing at the “anarchist” getting what was coming to him and then going off on a rant about how OWS was a “mob” and how the real problem with America was that nobody respected authority anymore.
(Some time later read one of the same people on their own Facebook page looking at riots in London and commenting, horrified, “this is worse than crime… It’s godlessness.”)
It’s a memory that’s never too far from my head because it’s an instructive reminder of who they really are at the end of the day: yes, they may blather a whole lot of stupid about liberty, the constitution, the dangers of government abuse, how freedom is messy, etc, (they may even think they believe it), but at the end of the day, all they fundamentally are is authority-worshiping psychopaths that nothing gets off like a boot stamping on a human face, forever. (As long as it’s not their face, or someone they care about).
And yes, there are people like this in every party. But only one party is so completely dominated by them that it has presidential candidates encouraging their supporters to turn violent by promising to pay their legal bills, congressional candidates body-slamming reporters, other people arresting and jailing reporters for asking questions or people in the peanut gallery for laughing during debates.
Repatriated
@TenguPhule:
Verbing weirds language.
Jeffro
@tobie: I don’t know but those are the three states that Paul Manafort told Trumpov to focus on. And they sure were won by the slimmest of margins
SatanicPanic
Too bad we don’t have a process for holding new elections. 2016 was borked beyond repair.
Jeffro
@Repatriated: score
TenguPhule
@efgoldman: I’m not goldmanning a Trump, Sessions it!
ruemara
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: Bingo. It brings in ad dollars and clicks. They’d film one of their own being ripped apart by these beasts and keep rolling as the crowd advances on them. They’re not going to learn until they’re seriously harmed as a group.
Aleta
@TenguPhule: Dare to Be A Verb!
Gravenstone
@Aleta: On the same theme, I wonder how many “you deserve to be beaten up” folks would be so quick with the quip if the reporter they were spouting off to suddenly drew down on them and because said reporter felt threatened by the conversation?
TenguPhule
@Aleta:
I find it creepier that they don’t find his behavior abnormal at all. This is degenerating much faster then expected.
GregB
@Jeffro:
That is the tri-fecta.
The way they made that run for those states in the very end.
Then, wasn’t it Michigan that scuttled recounts hastily?
Then Trump name dropped NH as a state that was full of voter fraud. I knew that was a big pile of diversion and shit.
TenguPhule
@SatanicPanic:
Regime change. UN sponsored Free and Fair Elections to follow.
/Yes, France, Canada and Germany saving us from the Facists is a nice dream. Don’t ruin it for me.
Dave
@lamh36: It’s a form of both sides and whataboutism. Obama was fairly famously not a fan of our media and Trump is quite publicly hostile as well. Of course Obama disliked the shallow, vapid, personality driven, both sides aspects of the media. You know real criticisms wheras Trump just well screams fake news while, recapitulates facist talking points, and searching for any mention of himself he construed as positive but they both weren’t media fans so “both sides!”.
lamh36
MomSense
I’m just going to go out on a limb and say the reason we all felt such shock and trauma on election night (and every day since) is because we all know that the last election was rigged, believe me.
I’m sorry but I do not accept the election results.
Immanentize
@TenguPhule: You are in good(?) Company. Rickrolling is a recent example. But that one is a sort of positive thing….
Peale
@Gravenstone: Or if Nita Lowry had smashed the head of a reporter who asked her a question about Solyandra.
Mike J
Trump wants to kill penguins. One penguin anyway. Opus.
Mike in DC
I suspect that there will be more stories like this. One of the lingering threads in the Russia story has been the extent to which it may also involve the GOP generally and party leadership in particular. Hence some of the wilder theories out there positing a Hatch caretaker presidency.
randy khan
@lamh36:
How long until Trump contradicts him?
hovercraft
So Phillip Mudd a former CIA counterterrorism official just called the Twitler ban list ass backward, said immigrants are not the problem they are usually native born or long time residents, if you ever went and asked anyone who had actual knowledge, they would have told you not to focus on immigrants. If you want to focus on immigrants then these aren’t even the right counties, if you want to look at immigrants, then you need to look at our friends, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Egypt, the fact that those countries aren’t on the list makes this look political not about security.
p.a.
@efgoldman: I know, I’m talking about the reaction from the usual suspects in the voting public.
ruemara
@MomSense: I don’t. They cheated. I don’t hold many people in office as being there legitimately. The entire RNC colluded with a foreign power. Only because Republicans en masse have decided that winning is more important than patriotism have we not had honest to god violent protests from the population.
Peale
@lamh36: Gee, it would have been nice to have a majority right now. I do worry about this court.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@ruemara: More than just that, great crises means a chance for these reportors to be great reporters. And Trump apparently can’t even brush his teeth without voilating the Consitution a half dozen times.
Baud
I’ve been away most of the day. Reddit is amusing itself with Trump pushing aside another NATO leader to get to the front of the pack. I assume that’s been discussed here.
Ocotillo
@Gravenstone: That is why they need their second amendment solutions…….
LurkerNoLonger
@lamh36:
Don’t they have to agree to hear it first?
Baud
@MomSense: People would sooner sell themselves to Putin than apologize to Hillary Clinton. Including people not on the right.
TenguPhule
A lot of chaff to find the few seeds of grain in there.
TenguPhule
@LurkerNoLonger:
Rule of law? What’s that?
Immanentize
@Miss Bianca:
See how political violence and eliminationist fantasies — Tenguphuling — works?
But YMMV.
Roger Moore
@MomSense:
I’m angry and depressed that it was close enough to steal. There’s no way a sane electorate would have given trump 1 EV, much less 304.
TenguPhule
@Baud:
Not extensively enough. I expect Adam will have his own take on the story soon.
Another Scott
Reuters is reporting that Theresa May’s Tories lead over Labour is down to 5 points with 2 weeks to go.
Could Corbyn’s Labour Party actually win this thing?!?!?
Cheers,
Scott.
Baud
@LurkerNoLonger: They do and they will. But a decision won’t be out until November, so the travel ban will be invalid for a few months.
SFAW
Cole’s twitter feed has something about how the reporter Gianforte slammed “has a troubled past.”
I’m only amazed that it took them almost 24 hours to pull that shit. They must be off their game.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@TenguPhule:
Harumph yes, Sessions is only the USAG, you can’t expect him to have time for pieaces of paper like the Consitution.
Baud
@Another Scott: Wow. I guess going after pensioners benefits wasn’t a good idea after all.
Jeffro
@lamh36: good! hey as long as they are there, maybe they can ask the Supremes if an attorney general should still be able to serve when he lies on his disclosure forms about meeting with the agents of a hostile foreign power
TenguPhule
@Immanentize:Actual fascists start attacking reporters and their supporters don’t see a problem with this, and you still want to “Both sides do it!”?
les
@Immanentize:
Try that line on the folks who use and cheer violence, then come back to the horrible venters on the intertoobs.
Roger Moore
@SFAW:
It’s a joke GIF of some idiot messing up a jump into a swimming pool.
TenguPhule
@Another Scott:
Well, its not like he doesn’t have a history of facing incompetent opponents when the chips are down.
Immanentize
@LurkerNoLonger: Oh, anyone can knock on the door. The question is will it be answered?
TenguPhule
@Baud:
Planning to cut off children school lunches probably didn’t help either.
But the Dementia Tax was probably the biggest factor.
Oh, and turns out she was the one who cut police levels when Tories were in power.
Honestly, you can’t make this up.
TenguPhule
@Immanentize:
Of course it will. SATSQ.
Miss Bianca
@Immanentize: No, I don’t “see how that works”. Because who the FUCK are these “libtards” who are “gleeful about police officers getting beat up”? Where the hell are these police officers who are allegedly getting beat up? THEY DON’T EXIST – except in the fevered projections of RWNJs. RWNJs glory in the thought of “libtards”, reporters, and BLM protestors getting beat up, and then cry like babies on the rare occasions when the violence they worship actually gets visited on their persons. What i’m suggesting is that they might not think violence was so awesome if they were the ones getting beat up.
YMMV.
Baud
@TenguPhule: I wonder if she’ll benefit from the Manchester attack.
hovercraft
CNN breaking news, US Officials saying Manchester bomber spent time in Syria. WTF. Theresa May publicly said that the US needs to STFU, and we are still leaking to the media? I guess they really want to fuck Twitler? Why else would they still be telling the media this stuff instead waiting for the British to either give them the go ahead or brief the press themselves.
ruemara
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: They don’t want to be “great reporters”. At least, not as you’re measuring it. Greatness isn’t measured in veracity and strength. They measure greatness as star power, adulation of their shallow peers and great signing deals.
@Baud: See, Baud 2020 slogan! “Baud, Smarter Than Your Average Pundit”
Immanentize
@Another Scott: maybe. In spite of Corbyn. Mae (or as someone else here called her: Tresomme) is such an off-off Broadway Thatcher impersonator that I bet it riles many Brits
Fair Economist
@Another Scott:
IMO very unlikely given the relative popularity of May and Corbyn. But that is getting to the point where a hung Parliament (no Tory majority) is possible. At that point there’s a right-wing pro-Brexit party (the Tories), a left-wing pro-Brexit party (Labour)* and two left-wing anti-Brexit parties. Hard to say what would happen then.
* Corbyn forced his MPs to vote for Brexit when the bill came before Parliament.
Gravenstone
@Miss Bianca: Well, our very own GoBlow* has advocated for violence against the police I believe, So that’s one …
*(actual liberal thoughts or feelings of the moron behind the GoBlow pseudonym may vary by whichever wanker is pulling the keyboard shift when they grace us with their presence)
Elie
@lamh36:
I figured that would be the case… in fact, it was done just to invigorate his base in what is a tight race. He knows his peeps will eat their young for such blood stimulus. My revision to the incident would have had him attack the reporter and put him in the head lock etc BUT, have the reporter actually be a kung fu master who then proceeds to break every bone in his body. Now THAT would make his group of slimes stay home, watching him get his ass kicked. I tell you, it might not be a bad idea for reporters to take some martial arts self protection courses…
TenguPhule
@Fair Economist:
Its not like they could stop it. And he needs at least some of the leavers to vote for Labor if they want to win.
And yet doing the only feasible thing still gets him the Hillary treatment by press and public.
TenguPhule
@Baud: Seemed to at first. And then it came out that she’s the reason the Police lost thousands of positions to the point that they had to deploy soldiers now because they don’t have enough police left to patrol in force.
different-church-lady
@MomSense:
No, the reason I felt it was because I had to face the truth: the number of people in my country who are driven by hate is far higher than I had been willing to believe.
Baud
@TenguPhule: I’m hoping to live vicariously through the British electorate.
TenguPhule
@ruemara:
Rock, 2020, Smarter then your Average Pundit!
Baud
@different-church-lady: Yep.
efgoldman
@p.a.:
Rude Pundit is exactly right.
Fuckem
TenguPhule
@Baud: Ditto. It would be nice to see the evil fuckers finally lose one.
different-church-lady
@TenguPhule: I used to think people were dumb as rocks. Now I’m pretty sure the rocks have the advantage.
Gelfling 545
@TenguPhule: In the active vpice?
Immanentize
@Miss Bianca: You have not been paying attention to the last 12 hour right wing talking points which are all about how the left supported Occupy even when they attacked police, civilians, and rioted?
We are not winning the violence is the solution argument, but, please proceed.
different-church-lady
@Immanentize: Rhetorical violence on a top 100k blog is the problem, yes indeed.
TenguPhule
@Immanentize:
Check back in six months and perhaps we’ll see what you are in the dark.
Captain C
@randy khan: I’m going with Assholes Who Pine For Jim Crow And Would Have Voted For Buzz Windrip for $1200, Alex.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Immanentize:
Meh, the issue is self correcting, We all agree the MSM has been living in a fools paradise about the conservatives and enabling them, time for the MSM see were that’s going and how it will effect them.
TenguPhule
@different-church-lady:
I welcome our new stony overlords.
TenguPhule
@Enhanced Voting Techniques:
The image of Dodos immediately springs to mind.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@ruemara:
Like Bob Woodward, right? (and to far, a lot of the rank and file reportors we hear about do try to do a decent job) Watergate made him.
ruemara
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: lol. All today’s “reporters” know is that being adversarial to everyone in power is the key to success. They’re the McG of reporting. All they know is the most superficial version of Watergate to Hunter S. Thompson. They think it’s being curmudgeonly and rude. They don’t get the hard work and truth-telling part. And if they have enough followers, they’ve made it.
Miss Bianca
@Immanentize: They are LYING, dude. Didn’t ever happen. Sure, the right wing is given to lying in order to support their fantastical world view. So what? Not my point.
But please, continue to misrepresent MY point in order to support your own.
Bokonon
The chief lesson the GOP learned from Watergate was to outsource their dirty tricks and criminal acts better, and use cut-outs and several degrees of separation so that they have deniability. Don’t forget the allegations that Rupert Murdoch’s news organizations were actively involved in illegal hacking and cell phone interceptions of politicians they opposed (in the US and UK).
But I never thought I would see the GOP coordinating with foreign spy agencies. Particularly the Russians.
Immanentize
@different-church-lady:
Straw Person Alert! Straw Person Alert!!
Whoever said it was THE problem? (You).
But I think violent rhetoric is a problem anywhere. However, if it is comforting to think one’s expressed violent fantasies are OK because you don’t have much power, and this blog is too sucky small to count when violence is on the table, I suggest a thought about Hutus and Tutsis. Or Serbs and Muslims. Or Trump and the media. Or Dylan Roof….
We can’t afford to believe the other side’s violent rhetoric is effective while ours is benign.
different-church-lady
@ruemara: Most reporters today are just fucking lazy.
Immanentize
@Miss Bianca: Are you and the others who call for death of opponents ready to act that way? I mean kill, maim, destroy, hurt, fuck up, etc. Other people?
Are you a leader of violence? An example of murderous acts? I know such folks and I think not.
Peale
@ruemara: They aren’t reporters. They are media. Even the most anti-free press countries have media that looks a lot like journalism. They want to be media and for that to work, they need to focus their attention on what will get people to buy products.
different-church-lady
@Immanentize: I renounce violence against broccoli. ARE YOU HAPPY NOW?
ruemara
@Peale: I think you’re just restating my point.
Mnemosyne
@Immanentize:
I think you missed Miss Bianca’s point, which was that they were lying about that.
This attack on a reporter actually happened. The violent rhetoric against reporters has been happening since last year.
I know you want to believe that both sides do it, but they really don’t.
different-church-lady
@Immanentize:
Maybe it’s you then?
les
@Immanentize:
Citation needed. Per usual.
randy khan
@LurkerNoLonger:
Technically, the government asks them to take it, then they decide whether to take it. I presume that’s what Sessions is talking about doing.
I’ve seen some discussion about whether the government will ask the Supreme Court to stay the appeals court decision. That would seem to be the best strategy if the Administration is serious about the ban, but it’s really a put-all-your-chips-on-black move – if you don’t get the stay, you’re done.
Omnes Omnibus
@Immanentize: Please point out when/where Miss B called for violence.
TenguPhule
@Immanentize:
I favor violence in only two situations.
Properly executed after trial and sentencing.
Or when it all goes to shit and there really isn’t a better alternative.
Still hoping for 1, but even you can’t deny we’re increasingly being confronted with 2. Or maybe you can. There is always a need for Judas goats.
les
@Immanentize:
We all appreciate the depth, sincerity and overwhelming logic of your paean to pacifism. Kindly consider your point made–and made well–and flounce off.
TenguPhule
@Immanentize:
Should have stopped there.
les
@Immanentize:
I decided to take your advice and give a thought. My thought is your comparisons are somewhere far along the axis starting with irrelevant and ending at “get the guy with the net…”
I suggest you research the difference between rhetoric and actions.
TenguPhule
@different-church-lady:
WHY?! They’re a flower disguised as a vegetable and not even ripe when you’re forced to eat them!
les
@Immanentize:
Then why aren’t you out preaching to the actors? Too scary, so you prefer to harangue the folks who don’t need it?
Immanentize
@different-church-lady: Maybe. But I doubt it.
les
@randy khan:
I think–I am a lawyer, but not that kind–the US has to ask the Supes to hear the case; and if they agree to hear it, to lift the stay imposed by the appeals ct, please. They should have to show that the stay is damaging the country to get it lifted; given that one of the arguments is that they haven’t shown there’s any danger stopped by the order, that should be difficult. But, Roberts’ court.
Immanentize
@Mnemosyne: I am not trying to “both sides do it.”
I think expressing violent thoughts has real consequences. Period. It is definitely de-humanizing. Othering. It robs the target humans of dignity. It is simple and it coursens the spirit. But clearly a lot of folks disagree.
different-church-lady
@Immanentize:
WE’RE TALKING ABOUT TRUMP VOTERS HERE! WHAT’S THERE TO ROB?
[ATA: or are we talking about reporters? I’ve lost track…]
TenguPhule
@Immanentize:
Of course it does. That’s why the military does it. Because it WORKS.
Immanentize
@les:
you really have no idea who I am, what I do, what I have done, or how I currently ” preach to the actors.” I am pretty confident in my efforts, so thanks but no thanks. Meanwhile, as one of my favorite real preachers said/repeated(?) “The choir doesn’t need to be preached to, but they do need to practice.”
les
@Immanentize:
Interestingly, an actual accurate statement. Dare I point out that you have the exact same utter lack of knowledge about anyone you’re haranguing? And I use the term advisedly; I doubt that any regular visitor is unaware of you position and your deep concern that blog commenters are warping their minds and dehumanizing thugs who are committing actual violence. Perhaps if you could throttle your compulsion to repeat and justify your position endless multiple times whenever you show up, you might get a more respectful hearing. Or not. But shut up anyway, we get it.
Immanentize
@les: well, you would be wrong.
les
@Immanentize:
True dat. Research indicates that, in some circumstances, expressing violent thoughts in non-violent settings–discussion in a safe/controlled place, fantasy, games–can reduce the likelihood of expressing actual, you know, violence. The world may not be the simple place you imagine.
different-church-lady
@les: It’s the internet. Nobody knows I’m a dog.
efgoldman
@randy khan:
CBS said tonite, since another gummint appeal was pending in the 9th circuit, SCOTUS wouldn’t do anything until they saw whether the circuits disagreed (unlikely). Depending on whether the circuits disagree (which would require a referee-type ruling) or agree (which means Evil Leprechaun would ask for an injunction or an overturn) the gummint would have to present two different cases.
Immanentize
@different-church-lady: Au contraire.
efgoldman
@different-church-lady:
WOOF! BARK!!
Immanentize
@les:
That’s true. There is some research that suggests ‘video’ games (even violent video games) might be one factor in the reduction of violent crime over the last decade. But there is also very clear research that shows that violent rhetoric empowers some people to violent acts. I think Dylan Roof is in that category. I also have reason to believe that the ‘Warrior versus Guardian” language empowers police violence.
Steve in the ATL
@Another Scott:
If so, we’ll never hear the end of it from the CorbynBros….
TenguPhule
@Immanentize:
And right now they’re in the Republican camp and really do want to kill us all. They’re just working up the nerve to try.
Would you like to debate their sad failings with them?
TenguPhule
@Steve in the ATL:
I promise not to gloat.
efgoldman
@Immanentize:
Yeah, but he sought it out. No-one sat him in a room and forced him to consume media, Clockwork Orange style.
Immanentize
@efgoldman: I really thought you understood children more than that.
Immanentize
@Miss Bianca: @Omnes Omnibus:
Omnes. Maybe I misunderstood Miss Bianca, but I thought this was a call to violence? If not, I apologize to you both.
Omnes Omnibus
@Immanentize: I think you are, perhaps, unfamiliar with Tenguphule’s oeuvre. I read her as quoting back at him the type of comment he frequently posts. Hence, the “verbing” of his name.
Immanentize
@Omnes Omnibus: And if that’s true, then I am very very sorry for replying to her. I apologize — really — to both of you.
Omnes Omnibus
@Immanentize: Everyone misinterprets comments on a blog every once in a while. Not a big thing.
Immanentize
@Omnes Omnibus: Tru dat!
Thank you.
randy khan
@efgoldman:
I’d say it depends. There’s the Hawaii case, but since it’s in the 9th Circuit it seems unlikely to result in a difference between the circuits given the earlier result there. I would guess that the government lawyers might consider arguing that it’s an emergency and there’s no reason to wait.
randy khan
@les:
You’d usually ask for the request for the stay to be lifted at the same time you file the petition asking the Court to hear the case. That’s how it works in, for instance, death penalty cases (well, in reverse, because in those cases you’re asking for a stay).
Daddio7
This is a first, an actual shred of evidence. It also shows how inept Democrats are at cyber security.
driverX
@randy khan: The media raised them and created their king.
Diane
@MomSense: The alternative is down right frightening. Hillary opened the country up for Russian hacking with her unprotected server.
moops
How do we know about this consultant in Florida? I don’t subscribe to the WSJ so I cannot read the source article. TPM didn’t report on the sources.
Martin Escalante
@Gin & Tonic: Sorry has something to do with Florida Attorney General when she took a open bribe from Trump during the election, they have been investigating it.. This has nothing to do with Mrs. Clinton..
So what your saying your okay with Trumps & Kushners working with the Russians, Manifort, Flynn list goes on working with Russian spies Kyislak & Oligarch Russian billionaire Roman Abramovich, see Ivanka Trump is close friends to Deng Murdoch which the Girlfriend /fiance of Roman Abramovich.. Only thing they are doing is ripping us off..
Also do you want to flip the coming yearly Mar largo, Ritz & his other Hotel stays that will cost us 200 million dollars that go into his pocket, No health Insurance or Vet health funds and deregulated banks.. here is a big tip watch a Oil refinery called HOVANSA… Watch the Russians buy it .. see Our American Dollar is only worth 15cents to the Chinese Yuan (Dol), but our American Dollar is worth compared to Russia 5 cents..
This action will devalue our American dollar even more, sad thing we are all victims of this and Huge Corporations distraction since the 60’s Called Manufacturing Concept winch the Republican party been using all Americans to slowly take our rights & change the Constitution…