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Consistently wrong since 2002

A norm that restrains only one side really is not a norm – it is a trap.

Anyone who bans teaching American history has no right to shape America’s future.

“In this country American means white. everybody else has to hyphenate.”

If a good thing happens for a bad reason, it’s still a good thing.

Optimism opens the door to great things.

Reality always gets a vote in the end.

“They all knew.”

The unpunished coup was a training exercise.

I really should read my own blog.

Humiliatingly small and eclipsed by the derision of millions.

Teach a man to fish, and he’ll sit in a boat all day drinking beer.

The revolution will be supervised.

You can’t attract Republican voters. You can only out organize them.

Let’s bury these fuckers at the polls 2 years from now.

You don’t get to peddle hatred on saturday and offer condolences on sunday.

You would normally have to try pretty hard to self-incriminate this badly.

I’m starting to think Jesus may have made a mistake saving people with no questions asked.

New McCarthy, same old McCarthyism.

This chaos was totally avoidable.

It may be funny to you motherfucker, but it’s not funny to me.

How any woman could possibly vote for this smug smarmy piece of misogynistic crap is beyond understanding.

The next time the wall street journal editorial board speaks the truth will be the first.

They are lying in pursuit of an agenda.

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What world is this, where I am forced to agree with the words of a professional Republican strategist?

… and Tom Nichols…

To be fair, unlike most of her fellow wingnut bloviators (lookin’ at you, Sean Hannity!), I don’t think Laura Ingraham would fold like a cheap patio chair at the first sign of physical threat. Pull an illegal can of pepper spray, plant a switchblade on her opponent’s writhing body, and lie about the altercation afterwards — yeah, that’s more what I’d consider Ingraham style.

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  2. 2.

    Villago Delenda Est

    Wilson and Nichols both need to formally abandon the ship before they’re stampeded by rats. The GOP is no longer “conservative”…it’s dominated by radical regressives who want to go back to an imaginary “golden age”. Sounds a lot like the NSDAP, doesn’t it?

  4. 4.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    I don’t think Laura Ingraham would fold like a cheap patio chair at the first sign of physical threat. Pull an illegal can of pepper spray, plant a switchblade on her opponent’s writhing body, and lie about the altercation afterwards —

    the last one

    I was gonna say “Roll back her eyes and unleashing a sulfurous fire from the sixth circle of hell to roast her pray before unhinging her jaw to swallow it whole”, but that suggests that she’s much more interesting than she is. She’s a small, droning, angry person.

    I confess my reactions to Wilson’s 3rd and 4th hypotheticals were very different. Like Ingram, Jeffery Lord and Kayleigh MacInerney are just warped, confused people.

  5. 5.

    Peale

    I’m wondering what Laura Ingram thinks the police are for if you’re not supposed to contact them when you’re violently assaulted in a public place? I mean I know if your own house, her beliefs dictates that you get to shoot whomever you like. Hmmm.

  6. 6.

    Jeffro

    Because if this is where you are, you’re not a party; you’re a mob. If this is where you are, you’re not a conservative; you’re trash

    Might be helpful if Wilson, Gerson, Rubin, Frum, and the rest realized: if the balance is going to be tipped, if this rapid debasement of our republic is to be stopped…they’re going to have to quit bloviated and actively tell their peers that it’s time to join the Democrats until such time as the GOP regains its sanity. If ever.

  11. 11.

    Corner Stone

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    I guess tonight we’re seeing the downside of early voting.

    I really hope that is subtle snark. Because if you thought that if GG had choked a reporter out 45 days ago it would make a difference in this outcome you are past it.
    They love it!

  12. 12.

    Raoul

    @Peale: They want open brawling. They want disorder, so the jackboots have ‘legitimacy’ to put down the lefty rabble (as they see it).

  14. 14.

    Corner Stone

    I wish the guy from Montenegro would have grabbed Trump’s arm, turned him broadside and punched him in the gut two or three times.
    Trump puking his well done steak and ketchup all over himself and the floor would have done wonders for world peace.

  16. 16.

    Anne Laurie

    @Ten Bears:

    I think her point is that a Montana Boy (or Girl) would have punched back.

    Yes, and it’s a bad point! What right does an elite-coast media broad like Ingraham have to assume that Montanans are too inarticulate to settle an argument without resorting to violence? Just because that’s the kind of beastly behavior she picked up at Dartmouth and the National Review?

    Especially since Gianforte is just another carpetbagger from the vile decadent cities!

  21. 21.

    hovercraft

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Yes today we may have been bitten, but how often does something like this happen at the 11th hour? This is a black swan event, I’d rather have early voting where more people get to vote, and we lose one like this, than have fewer people vote. Also too the reason he snapped was that this race never should have been competitive at all, Twitler won the state by 27 points, Quist is a dirty hippie with all kinds of tax liens against him and he’s managed to make the race competitive, in friggin Montana!

  22. 22.

    Anne Laurie

    @Corner Stone:

    I wish the guy from Montenegro would have grabbed Trump’s arm, turned him broadside and punched him in the gut two or three times.

    Nero Wolfe would’ve told the Secret Service to be on the lookout for a guy with a very sharp daggar rappelling into Trump’s bedroom… to cut off his combover.

    And maybe sleep with Melania, once Trump’s soiled himself weeping in shame & humiliation.

  24. 24.

    Shalimar

    @Jeffro: None of their peers give a fuck about any of those people. They were tiny cogs in a machine, and now they’re not.

  25. 25.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    I’m sure if Jacobs pulled a “stand your ground” the wingnuts would have been okay with it.

  26. 26.

    Mnemosyne

    So after all my babbling this afternoon, I made an impulse buy of a 10″ Asus Chromebook Flip. I have 15 days to return it for a refund, so I’m going to see if/how I use it.

  27. 27.

    Jeffro

    @hovercraft:

    Quist is a dirty hippie with all kinds of tax liens against him and he’s managed to make the race competitive, in friggin Montana!

    Why that little…

    I’m good with “dirty hippie” but “tax liens”?!? Avoiding taxes is so Trumpian! (lol)

    Seriously, I hope he wins, but we win either way. It’ll be within a couple of points and it was supposed to be a blow out. Hear that, GOP? We’re coming for you next year. We’re here to kick your ass and chew bubble gum and…you know the rest.

  29. 29.

    Adam L Silverman

    The Fox commentator is Robert O’Neill. O’Neill is the SeAL who publicly claimed credit for the headshot that killed bin Laden. This has caused a great deal of controversy within his community, especially as another SeAL who, in accordance with tradition has not publicly made a statement about the raid, is supposedly credited with the shot.
    telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11217651/Robert-ONeill-has-gone-from-hero-to-zero-af…

    The former US Navy Seal who claims to have shot dead Osama bin Laden has gone from “hero to zero” and “put a bulls-eye on his back” after coming forward to take the glory for the killing, another ex-member of the elite force has told The Telegraph.

    Robert O’Neill is facing a deepening backlash from former comrades angered both by his disputed version of events inside the al-Qaeda chief’s Pakistan compound in May 2011 and his decision to go public.

    There are now three different versions circulating of who delivered the fatal shot that took down American’s public enemy number one during the raid conducted by more than 20 commandos moving rapidly through the hide-out in darkness wearing night-vision goggles.

    Jonathan Gilliam, a former Seal, condemned the actions and motives of Mr O’Neill, who draws on his special forces experiences in his well-paid appearances as a motivational speaker.

    “It’s ridiculous for O’Neill to claim the credit for the fatal shot as we probably never will know and don’t need to know,” said Mr Gilliam, a security consultant, noting that his views reflected the views of many Seals with whom he had spoken.

    “He served with great distinction, he had a great career and he was a great operator. But he went from hero to zero in the Seal community when he started using his career to cash in and draw crowds as a speaker. This reflects terribly on all of us and does not represent who we are.”

    More at the link.

  30. 30.

    hovercraft

    @Peale:

    ’m wondering what Laura Ingram thinks the police are for if you’re not supposed to contact them when you’re violently assaulted in a public place?

    Can you say George Zimmerman? Wait, my bad, GG is a white man and a republican no less, so if for some reason the “aggressive liberal reporter”, I mean victim had been packing and had shot the hero, I guarantee they wouldn’t be talking about stand your ground or the second amendment.

  31. 31.

    Johio

    I have found myself in agreement with Jen Rubin and Bill goddamn Kristol recently. I do not like this new reality. Can we return to Earth Prime now?

  32. 32.

    Jeffro

    @Shalimar: Ok, sounds good. Probably best if they just kept towing the Trumpian line like the rest of the GOP, right? It means nothing to see these folks getting published in major outlets on a regular basis and then cited on cable news, other publications, etc. Couldn’t possibly be of help, you’re right.

  33. 33.

    Omnes Omnibus

    To be fair, unlike most of her fellow wingnut bloviators (lookin’ at you, Sean Hannity!), I don’t think Laura Ingraham would fold like a cheap patio chair at the first sign of physical threat. Pull an illegal can of pepper spray, plant a switchblade on her opponent’s writhing body, and lie about the altercation afterwards — yeah, that’s more what I’d consider Ingraham style

    No. Any evidence that she is more than a big mouth? That she has ever been?

  34. 34.

    MomSense

    I was super busy all day and am just now trying to digest just what a clustefuck 45s NATO performance was. Holy hell.

  35. 35.

    Mike J

    Jonathan Martin‏ Verified account @jmartNYT 1 hour ago

    GOP firm Remington Research did a robo poll today in MT to test awareness of body-slam:

    93% had heard of it.
    9% said voted Quist bc of it

  36. 36.

    Shalimar

    @Jeffro: No, not what I meant. I am happy they are speaking out, and happy they all still have media employers. Just saying they aren’t going to change any Republican minds. They were never important enough to bring any sane people with them.

    edit: Republicans in general have authoritarian, follow-the-leader mindsets. None of the people you named were ever leaders anywhere. They were all foot soldiers.

  39. 39.

    NickM

    It seems to me that the Republican Party is moving pretty quickly towards adopting violence and coercion as a tool to settling political differences. They don’t understand we developed politics and democracy because settling differences by violence has proven to suck every time. They think that never having been on the receiving end of political violence they will always be on the winning side of violent confrontation so what’s to lose? They forget that violence always begets a violent response and that no one is immune. The more threatening a bully the faster people band together to stop him and the harder he hits the harder they do. If they get the civil war they seem to crave do they think one side will be dishing out all the pain and the other taking it? Why does humanity have to learn this same fucking lesson over and over again?

  40. 40.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Corner Stone: You’re going to see a shift now. I’m trying to think through how to frame the post, but basically the EU and NATO members thought if they flattered the President and gave him an easy win or two so he could claim some victories in public then he would give back. A combination of how to handle him and how to use his alleged transactional nature to get what you want. What they’ve just learned is that seems to work for everyone and everything that is not Europe/the EU and NATO. For whatever reason, and I think this goes back to his 1987 public ads on the subject that were taken out just after he returned from a VIP tour of Soviet Russia, his hostility to NATO, the EU, and Europe are one of the few hard, firm, and unchangeable positions he has.

  41. 41.

    Jack the Second

    @Corner Stone: I’ve always thought all of this could have been avoided if Jeb (or one of the other people whom Trump insulted, or whose wives or loved ones Trump insulted) had walked over and decked him during the debates.

  43. 43.

    hovercraft

    WTF, BriWiliiams just said that Twitler wants his staff to organize more free time for him!

  45. 45.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    Dave Wasserman‏ @Redistrict 20m20 minutes ago

    Based on everything I’m seeing, I’d guess Gianforte ends up winning this thing in the 5%-10% range. #MTAL

  48. 48.

    Alain the site fixer

    @Adam L Silverman: yes, he’s an anti-American, pro-Russian force, and has been since July 4 1987 when he flew there as an official guest and was wined and dined and ???? And came back hating America, happy to victimize Americans. Read the words of the ads he PAID to run that fall after his conversion.

  49. 49.

    Anne Laurie

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Any evidence that she is more than a big mouth? That she has ever been?

    As you know, I was being bitchy.

    Although Ingraham did thrive at Dartmouth, during its “inspiration for Animal House” period…

  50. 50.

    Adam L Silverman

    @hovercraft: Because it was reported in Politico today that they’re trying to rejigger his schedule so he has less free time to get himself and them in trouble.

  51. 51.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @Adam L Silverman:
    They’re not PAYING him. Putin and China are paying Trump. A couple of other people randomly caught Trump’s approval, like Darth Erte. Everybody else gets shit on. Pandering to him is not enough, because he’s a mean asshole. Either you are filling his pockets, or you’re a loser for him to bully.

  54. 54.

    Corner Stone

    @Adam L Silverman:

    You’re going to see a shift now.

    I am not being facile in any way when I say my son and I spent a solid hour discussing why this was disturbing and what may happen next. For his sake we even went through the list of our NATO allies.
    On the lighter side, he still wants to move to Iceland.

  56. 56.

    sm*t cl*de

    @Anne Laurie:

    Nero Wolfe would’ve told the Secret Service to be on the lookout for a guy with a very sharp daggar rappelling into Trump’s bedroom

    Explanation for non-Nero Wolfe fans: In the mythos, Wolfe is Montenegrin by birth, and fought in one of their wars of independence, as a youth, when he swore never to go hungry again.

  57. 57.

    Peale

    @Adam L Silverman: I think you’ll see something similar to that with Nafta. Great! They will renegotiate it. But he’s not going to give up on the idea that Mexico doesn’t belong in NAFTA and that it needs to be punished. he had the bad deal in Mexico. It isn’t going to matter how many corporate heads tell him that they’d rather not change things to much.

  58. 58.

    Corner Stone

    @Jack the Second: If Jeb! had walked over, grabbed him by the tie and dragged him down to audience level and asked him, “Tell them Donnie. Tell them what a real man you are.”
    Done.

  59. 59.

    Jeffro

    @Adam L Silverman: Speaking of Fox commentators…happened to catch former ambassador to NATO R. Nicholas Burns today on Fox News (what can I say – stopped by the barber shop for a quick lunch hour cut). Burns is apparently a long time State Dept guy who served under GHW Bush and Bill Clinton in some very Russia-conscious roles.

    Suffice it to say, Amb. Burns was not pleased at Trumpov’s speech. You would not believe how hard the Fox commentators strove to repair the damage from what Amb. Burns had to say (although apparently Burns has a history of knocking Trump for not being sufficiently aware of Russian intentions).

    You almost have to wonder if there are schisms within Fox News at this point…knowing where he stands on Trump/Russia specifically, booking Burns does not seem like an “oops”…

  60. 60.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @Corner Stone:
    You know what’s sad? I think he could have done it. Trump is a coward of the most pathetic and disgraceful kind. He’s also as physically fit as a sack of Pink Slime. Even Jeb9.9 could have had him sniveling and begging for mercy.

  61. 61.

    Jeffro

    @Adam L Silverman: I think they’re finally understanding that Trumpov is highly predisposed to love the truly authoritarian states (Russia, Saudi Arabia, the Philippines) and detests the western democracies. His admiration for the tactics of the former, and his fear of turning into the latter (which is mainly, his fear of democracies turning into terrorism free-fire zones and/or wealth-confiscating zones) are pretty obvious.

  63. 63.

    Millard Filmore

    @Corner Stone:

    I wish the guy from Montenegro would have grabbed Trump’s arm, turned him broadside and punched him in the gut two or three times.

    I’m hoping he will be more subtle than that and drop some nice juicy intel on Trump … like maybe his tax returns.

  64. 64.

    Jeffro

    @Shalimar: I hear you, but they were voices in the choir…or were the choir, period…and when the choir stops singing, there’s a certain stillness.

  66. 66.

    Alain the site fixer

    @Adam L Silverman: appearances be damned, I don’t spend all my time here! ? But seriously, reading his ads and pieces post-1987 visit is like reading classic anti-American propaganda from Communist info warriors. WTF. It is hard to believe this is reality.

  73. 73.

    efgoldman

    @Jeffro:

    knowing where he stands on Trump/Russia specifically, booking Burns does not seem like an “oops”…

    Given the level of “research” beavered over by Fox, some booker saw “Bush admin” in Burns’ cv and called him.
    With Ailes and O’Lielly gone, they seem rudderless and inconsistent. Didn’t Klannity just announce a previously unplanned “vacation” a la O’Lielly on the way out the door?

  74. 74.

    Sab

    @Sab: I stand corrected. Apparently you could steal Mika’s boyfriend at her school even if you didn’t go there.

  75. 75.

    Anne Laurie

    @Sab:

    I thought she went to Williams, where she stole Mika’s boyfriend.

    Then which blonde wingnut dated Dinesh D’Souza at Dartmouth? Damned if I’ll google it, life’s too short.

  77. 77.

    Jeffro

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:

    He took out ads in 1987 against NATO and what was then the European common market?

    Which is pretty rich, considering all the hay that the Right tried to make out of Bill Clinton’s Rhodes-Scholar-related 40-day trip of Europe that included Russia for a week. Instant Communist! Socialist Destroyer!

    And yet, you have a guy come back from a VIP trip straight to Moscow and back, and starts taking out ads in his own country’s newspapers against NATO…truly, the mind boggles…

  81. 81.

    Peale

    @Anne Laurie: yeah. I thought her rise to the attention of right wing hood was tied to secretly taping the gay group on campus, trying to get it banned.

  83. 83.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Jeffro: I don’t know him personally, but he’s a career foreign service officer/foreign executive service career diplomat and ambassador. He knows the deal regardless of which party is in the White House.

  84. 84.

    Alain the site fixer

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: yeah. Since then he’s been an anti-American bastard preying on weaker Americans and working for his interest against our own. It’s becoming obvious, like the stereotype of the capitalist who will sell you the rope to hang him.

  85. 85.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    @Major Major Major Major: oh, I see. the ad rails against Japan and his new buddies the Saudis.

    While he’s using a 30 year old attack line, directing anew on NATO/EU/Merkel isn’t due to principle but due to Putin.

  86. 86.

    Jeffro

    @efgoldman: Maybe (and sure hope so, in Hannity’s case). But having Burns on today was quite the firearm-induced hole to the terminal part of the leg. Who knows how many wingnuts snapped out of it while Burns was…oh…who am I kidding? Pennywise the Clown could have popped in to remind viewers that “we all FLOAT” and they would have just nodded along.

  88. 88.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Millard Filmore: After the remarks today that Germany is evil, immediately leaked to Der Spiegel, I fully expect we’re going to see the EU member states’ intel communities start to leak for strategic effect.

  92. 92.

    Tokyokie

    @Jack the Second: My preference would have been for HRC to have poured a glass of water over his head during one of the debates and destroy his horrible combover and expose the bald dome underneath it. It would have exposed him as a fraud and would have established a WOMAN as being the dominant partner in his dealings with HRC.

  93. 93.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    Bad News: Quist will come up short.

    Good News: he ‘ll overperform historic average by 10 pts. AND

    Steve Schale‏ @steveschale

    Not every candidate in every district can win. 300+ better seats than MT-AL

  95. 95.

    Adam L Silverman

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: Yes. Spent almost 100K on them in 1987. Just after he’d gotten back from a VIP trip to Soviet Russia (which Roger Stone was involved with setting up). I referenced this, and posted images of the ads, in some of my Maskirovka posts.
    Image:
    img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2015-07/10/17/enhanced/webdr02/original-12123-1436563121-15.…

    Article with bigger image:
    buzzfeed.com/ilanbenmeir/that-time-trump-spent-nearly-100000-on-an-ad-criticizing-us?utm_term=.eaOAJ…

  97. 97.

    Jeffro

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I fully expect we’re going to see the EU member states’ intel communities start to leak for strategic effect.

    I’m trying to picture that going on, in addition to our pretty well paced recent run of domestic leaks and revelations (which should likely continue)…

    …I’m good with that amount of leaking. I’m okay with the country getting a bit wet, or a lot.

  100. 100.

    Peale

    @Alain the site fixer: the whole idea is ludicrous. So my guess based on his other stupid thing today is that he’s going to try to stop German imports until they agree to pay a bill, plus some kind of tax.

  101. 101.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Cheryl Rofer: Yep. Makes one wonder just how much penetration the Soviet Union was actually able to achieve that was never uncovered and has just been sitting around like a time bomb waiting to go off. Stone was involved in that trip – setting it up, convincing Trump to go. Has the ratfucking really been in pursuit of the GOP and movement conservatism or in pursuit of something else? I can think of several other folks who’s activities since the 1970s seem less incongruous if this is the case.

  102. 102.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:
    As is so often the case, he doesn’t have to pick between reasons to be an asshole. They all line up. He never liked NATO. Putin is paying him to undermine them. Europe is not paying him. (Economic benefits to our country are irrelevant – only to Trump’s personal pocket book) And he just likes being a mean shit, pushing his way to the front of lines, and insulting people who are better than him.

    If they thought pandering to him would work, they have never been in an abusive relationship. Coddling the abuser is a method of damage minimization. It doesn’t actually produce positive results.

  103. 103.

    efgoldman

    @Keith P.:

    …is now against ambush journalism?

    Like the old B-movie Westerns: depends which side of the ambush who is on.

  104. 104.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Jeffro: Some of the damaging leaks, such as about what the President is telling others, may not be coming from the US side.

  105. 105.

    Sab

    @Adam L Silverman: He was pissed about Obama’s reception in Germany. I don’t think it’s helpful in understanding Trump to think too far out. His attention span is too short. He reacts to the immediate provocation only, unless Russia.

  106. 106.

    Cheryl Rofer

    1987 is an interesting year for the Soviet Union. Mikhail Gorbachev was made First Secretary of the Communist Party in March 1985. Gorbachev must have introduced glasnost and perestroika about 1987. (A quick google does not easily yield the exact date; we are far enough away that “the 1980s” suffices for most. I am too lazy to check my detailed timeline, which I may tomorrow.) Demonstrations were beginning in the Baltic States. It was becoming clear that the Soviet Union was going in a new direction. New enough, perhaps, that some in the KGB felt that help might be needed from abroad. /wild speculation

  107. 107.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Peale: Most of the German cars he’s pissed about are made here in the US. And those factories make a lot of cars that are then shipped outside the US thereby helping reduce the US trade deficit. I get that he doesn’t know or understand this stuff. But his chief economic advisor is the former #2 at Goldman Sachs. You’d think he’d either know it, or when the Europeans explain it to him understand it.

  108. 108.

    Peale

    @Adam L Silverman: who do you think leaked Duterte’s conversation notes? I tried guessing last night. I don’t see what the philippines would get by leaking those.

  111. 111.

    Shalimar

    @Peale: My guess is that someone showed Trump pictures of the crowd that turned out for Obama in Berlin. “Germans are evil, evil people” is not a sane reaction to too many BMWs.

  112. 112.

    SFAW

    @Adam L Silverman:

    After the remarks today that Germany is evil,

    Is there an actual transcript of those particular comments? I’ve seen the Spiegel thing (“sehr boese”), but since it seems highly unlikely that Shitgibbon speaks German — hell, he can’t even speak complete sentences in English — I’ve been assuming the Spiegel thing was their translation of his original remarks. So translating from English to German and back to English might have given us the Shitgibbon equivalent of “Macho Business Donkey Wrestler.”

  113. 113.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Peale: My understanding from the reporting is that the leak came from the Filipino side. Someone on their side shared the transcript with someone who leaked it to the press. This happened around the time that Duterte was engaging Putin for weapons to use in his war against Moro/Islamic separatists on Mindanoa and the Sulu Archipelago.

  114. 114.

    efgoldman

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Two teams who have never one the cup fighting for the cup.

    Right. Two very small markets, one not even in the US. The one in the US with no hockey tradition (although the fans in the arena take it up several notches). Nashville is the 32nd biggest market in North America, Ottawa is the 60th.
    You and I would have been pretty much the only people not in either market to watch it. And I’m not so sure about you.

    ETA: NBC Sports execs would have been diving out the windows of 30Rock

  116. 116.

    Adam L Silverman

    @SFAW: I haven’t seen a transcript. From what I have seen is the question now is was he insulting or really insulting. As in the phrase Der Spiegel reported in German can be translated as either very bad (insulting) or very evil (very insulting). Who knows if we’ll ever get clarification.

  119. 119.

    guachi

    If Democrats can’t win the open Montana seat, they aren’t in a very good position to win moderate districts.

  124. 124.

    Peale

    @Adam L Silverman: I’m going to go with my original thought. That Duerte leaked it because it contained those statements where Trump praised his drug policies, but the US press focused on the submarines.

  128. 128.

    efgoldman

    @guachi:

    they aren’t in a very good position to win moderate districts.

    Apparently you weren’t paying attention on Tuesday night, when Dems won two state legislature special elections (NH and NY) that had been Repub since the War of Southern Treason, more or less; and Henna Halfwit won each by a considerable margin last year, too.
    That, plus the surprisingly close races in Kansas and Montana in blood red areas, is what you call a “harbinger”.

  130. 130.

    ??‍? Martin

    @Peale: The police stopped being useful to the GOP when they stopped turning firehoses on black people, dragging them from schoolhouses, and looking the other way when white people burned down black churches.

  131. 131.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @guachi: If Democrats can’t win the open Montana seat, they aren’t in a very good position to win moderate districts.

    What does Montana have to do with “moderate districts”? Trump won the state by 20 points. Tester is hardly a liberal, got in on wave and has held on as an incumbent

  132. 132.

    guachi

    The Republican who won last year was an incumbent in a Republican leaning year.

    The Democratic Governor beat this guy who is running now by 4 points.

    If Democrats can’t make an open state-wide seat in Montana competitive, that’s sad. If they can’t make an open state-wide seat in Montana competitive with Democrats excited and, that’s doubly sad.

    Montana isn’t nearly as conservative as it looks to outsiders, despite people lumping it in with the likes of Idaho and Wyoming.

    An open seat in Montana in a year that leans Democrat should go to the Democrat. If it doesn’t, the Democrats failed to nominate a decent candidate.

  136. 136.

    Adam L Silverman

    @guachi: Despite Democrats doing well for state wide offices such as governor or senator or state attorney general, the Democrats haven’t won the at large/single congressional district seat in 23 years. Until tonight they haven’t been within 15 points in 17 years.

  143. 143.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @guachi: If it doesn’t, the Democrats failed to nominate a decent candidate.

    Well, at least you’re blaming the state party
    ETA: I guess they could have nominated Baucus, I gather he’s unemployed

  144. 144.

    efgoldman

    @guachi:

    An open seat in Montana in a year that leans Democrat should go to the Democrat. If it doesn’t, the Democrats failed to nominate a decent candidate.

    Special elections always always always favor the incumbent party. That KS and MT were as close as they were is a miracle. That Dems won in the two state leg races referenced above is up there with parting the Red Sea.
    But I see, as @Mike in NC: pointed out above, you don’t post in good faith. Sorry, Mike, I can’t remember them all.

  146. 146.

    Shalimar

    @guachi: Democrats nominated a Bernie-backed candidate, and even then he came closer to winning than any of the other candidates Bernie has ever backed.

  147. 147.

    TenguPhule

    @Johio:

    I have found myself in agreement with Jen Rubin and Bill goddamn Kristol recently. I do not like this new reality. Can we return to Earth Prime now?

    Sorry, this is Earth 666.

    Also known as Hellhole.

  149. 149.

    TenguPhule

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I’m trying to think through how to frame the post, but basically the EU and NATO members thought if they flattered the President and gave him an easy win or two so he could claim some victories in public then he would give back.

    Trump is simple. All take and no give.

    And he’s a Russian paid traitor.

  152. 152.

    Anne Laurie

    @Peale:

    I thought her rise to the attention of right wing hood was tied to secretly taping the gay group on campus, trying to get it banned.

    Only reason I’d heard that bit of trivia; IIRC, Ingraham carried D’Souza’s water because he was afraid to get too close to a bunch of gay men.

  153. 153.

    Morzer

    @guachi:

    Trump won Montana by 20 points. Quist took roughly 13 points off that margin – which is an amazing achievement. What this ought to be telling us is that the GOP’s tide is ebbing and that the Democrats have every chance of doing really well in 2018, provided that they run candidates for every seat, that they don’t waste time on the idiotic Bernie/Clinton zombie feud, that they offer a genuine, coherent alternative to the corrupt, violent, vicious frauds and thugs of the GOP. This is doable – but only if the Democrats stop futzing around and learn to fight as a team. Hang together or hang separately.

  154. 154.

    Applejinx

    With a bit of luck, Republicans physically attacking reporters and anyone who asks them questions will become a real Thing, on the grounds that it won the election for Gianforte.

    Maybe they can physically attack police, too! And judges!

    Because there couldn’t possibly be a downside to Republicans literally becoming the embodiment of the most shrill liberal squealing, nor could ANY traditional Republicans actually prefer to think of themselves as exemplars of civilized behavior and respectfulness, and the liberals as the violent extremists. Nope nope nope, clearly Republicans all want to line up behind goons for the sake of Party. This couldn’t possibly embarrass any voters.

  158. 158.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    Ingram’s an idiot – she’s small and people would cheer an attacker. She doesn’t want to go there.

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