Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

I like you, you’re my kind of trouble.

It’s always darkest before the other shoe drops.

Republicans are radicals, not conservatives.

Let us savor the impending downfall of lawless scoundrels who richly deserve the trouble barreling their way.

Come on, man.

I see no possible difficulties whatsoever with this fool-proof plan.

Come on, media. you have one job. start doing it.

Meanwhile over at truth Social, the former president is busy confessing to crimes.

He really is that stupid.

This fight is for everything.

Teach a man to fish, and he’ll sit in a boat all day drinking beer.

We are builders in a constant struggle with destroyers. let’s win this.

Usually wrong but never in doubt

“Jesus paying for the sins of everyone is an insult to those who paid for their own sins.”

Today’s GOP: why go just far enough when too far is right there?

Let me eat cake. The rest of you could stand to lose some weight, frankly.

Jesus, Mary, & Joseph how is that election even close?

Republicans in disarray!

I didn’t have alien invasion on my 2023 BINGO card.

Whoever he was, that guy was nuts.

Shallow, uninformed, and lacking identity

A lot of Dems talk about what the media tells them to talk about. Not helpful.

“Everybody’s entitled to be an idiot.”

Motto for the House: Flip 5 and lose none.

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To slightly modify the President’s remarks at this year’s State of the Union address we must take strong measures to protect our Nation from radical Islamic white Christian terrorism!

To go further, and to once again slightly modify his remarks from the October 9th, 2016 presidential debate, the President’s wisdom and counsel are important in these dark times.

Whether we like it or not, and we can be very politically correct, but whether we like it or not there is a problem. And we have to be sure that when Muslims white Christians come in and report when they see something going on. When they see hatred going on they have to report it. But as an example in San Bernardino Portland many people saw the bombs all over the apartment of the two people that killed 14 and wounded many, many peoplethreats on social media and the multiple arrests and convictions for violent felonies of the one man who killed two and wounded a third, horribly wounded he’ll never be the same. Muslims White Christians have to report the problems when they see them. And, you know, there’s always a reason for everything. If they don’t do that it’s a very difficult situation for our country. Because you look at Orlando and you look at San Bernardino and you look at the World Trade Center the University of Maryland bus stop attack and you look at Mother Emmanuel Church and you look at the Murrah Federal Building and you go outside and look at Paris Quebec City look at that horrible, these are radical Islamic white Christian terrorists. And she I won’t even mention the word. Nor will President Obama Vice President Pence. He They won’t use the term radical Islamic white Christian terrorism. Now to solve a problem you have to be able to state what the problem is or at least state the name. She I won’t say the name. President Obama Vice President Pence won’t say the name, but the name is there. It’s radical Islamic white Christian terror. And before you solve it, you have to say the name.

An April 2017 Government Accountability Office report states:

of the 85 violent extremist incidents that resulted in death since September 12, 2001, far-rightwing violent extremist groups were responsible for 62 (73%) while radical Islamist violent extremists were responsible for 23 (27%).

It is incumbent on our white Christian leaders, like Vice President Pence, Senator Cruz, Governor Huckabee, Reverend Jerry Fallwell, Jr,  Reverend Franklin Graham, Reverend Pat Robertson, and many, many others to speak out and condemn these horrific acts. And it is incumbent on our white Christian neighbors that if they see something, they must alert the government and say something!

Across the nation, we’re all part of communities. In cities, on farms, and in the suburbs, we share everyday moments with our neighbors, colleagues, family, and friends. It’s easy to take for granted the routine moments in our every day—going to work or school, the grocery store or the gas station. But your every day is different than your neighbor’s—filled with the moments that make it uniquely yours. So if you see something you know shouldn’t be there—or someone’s behavior that doesn’t seem quite right—say something. Because only you know what’s supposed to be in your everyday. Informed, alert communities play a critical role in keeping our nation safe. “If You See Something, Say Something™” engages the public in protecting our homeland through awareness–building, partnerships, and other outreach.

ETA: Just in case anyone missed it, this is intended to demonstrate, through slightly altering the President’s own words, just how silly making these absolutist assessments are. They have actually no strategic utility n terms of solving the problems we’re faced with.

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  2. 2.

    Villago Delenda Est

    This vile sack of shit is being given every doubt about his motivations because of the color of his skin. The obvious, that he’s a racist shitstain, is being pointedly ignored.

  6. 6.

    mike in dc

    A bombing of a mosque in Dearborn that killed dozens would bring out both the best and worst of Americans. Sadly, there would be zero chance under the current administration of an actual crackdown on white nationalist terrorists. And the biggest challenge short term for progressives would be resisting the impulse to assault loudmouth bigots in public.

  7. 7.

    Jeffro

    @Villago Delenda Est: so true. If I understand RW blame-logic correctly, Muslim killers kill because they’re all terrorists, black killers kill because they’re all “thugs”, and the VERY occasional white guy who goes and slashes a couple throats, or executes folks in a church basement…that guy, he’s a mentally ill ‘lone wolf’.

    Oh and when guns ARE used in these attacks, it’s inappropriate to note that, as well

  8. 8.

    rikyrah

    Adam Khan‏ @Khanoisseur

    Adam Khan Retweeted The Hill

    1. There’s a larger pattern emerging here–Kushner also set up a clandestine briefing for Trump in December with Israel’s spy agency Mossad

    Adam Khan‏ @Khanoisseur

    Adam Khan Retweeted Kyle Griffin

    3. When Kushner and Trump met awith Netanyahu in Israel, NSA McMaster waited outside–were any secrets leaked?

    Adam Khan‏ @Khanoisseur

    Adam Khan Retweeted Adam Khan

    5. Netanyahu’s prime conduit to US secrets, Kushner, was slipped into top WH role, bypassing background check

  9. 9.

    Corner Stone

    I have to admit. A movie directed by RZA, produced by Tarantino and having Russell Crowe in it? Set in fuedal China?
    This has *got* to be good!

  10. 10.

    Another Scott

    WWeek from March:

    U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions in a press conference today announced plans to punish jurisdictions that defy U.S. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement requests, but it’s not clear he actually has the legal authority to do so.

    […]

    In his statement, Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler criticized the attorney general’s statements as threatening but also vague.

    “Also unclear is his legal ability to withhold funds DOJ funds from states under these conditions,” says Wheeler. “It should be noted that DOJ grants to the City of Portland in our 2015-16 budget totaled just more than $3 million” — a small fraction of the city’s overall budget.

    Wheeler also took aim at the Oregon’s Republican Party for adding to the hateful rhetoric.

    “All of this is happening in an environment that contains a lot of heated rhetoric but not a lot of facts,” Wheeler says in the statement. “For example, just last week an Oregon Republican Party spokesman said that Portland’s status as a sanctuary city means we are harboring, ‘criminal illegal aliens who are murdering and raping.’ This statement is inaccurate and harmful.”

    State law prevents any jurisdictions from spending public dollars for the enforcement of federal immigration laws, and both the city and the county have symbolically reiterated their support for remaining sanctuary jurisdictions.

    Most critically, county law enforcement agencies across the state have barred their officers from following ICE’s request to hold immigrants who are in jail for longer than the local enforcement otherwise would. A 2014 federal court ruling found that doing so was unconstitutional.

    Lone Wolf, Nobody Could Have Predicted, Totally Unfortunate, Thoughts and Prayers, etc., etc….

    (sigh)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  11. 11.

    hovercraft

    So not only are you a self hating
    Jew, now you are a self hating white man?
    See this is what they are fighting against, people willing to acknowledge the truth and reality of what’s happening in our country.
    Twitler and his fans are wedded to a narrative, white “criminals” are individuals, “those” people are terrorists who represent their entire group. Duh!

  12. 12.

    raven

    Taliesin Myrddin Namkai Meche’s mom is friends with a good friend of mine here in Athens.

  13. 13.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    @Baud:

    Yup, lone wolves, for sure. Who are mentally ill. But who should nonetheless have access to firearms! (Thanks, Republican Party!)

  14. 14.

    SFAW

    @rikyrah:

    5. Netanyahu’s prime conduit to US secrets, Kushner, was slipped into top WH role, bypassing background check

    Well, Pollard’s of no further use to Bibi, so he needed to find a replacement. Although I imagine Pollard’s motives were more than just money-based. Not sure the same can be said for Shitstain Jr. (i.e., Kushner).

  16. 16.

    rikyrah

    Bevin, facing ethics complaint, blasts journalist over reporting about his mansion

    By Allison Ross

    Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin, facing an ethics complaint about the unusually low purchase price of the Anchorage mansion he’s living in, took to Twitter on Saturday to personally attack a journalist who has been reporting about the controversy.

    Bevin called Courier-Journal reporter Tom Loftus a “sick man” for allegedly being “caught sneaking” around Bevin’s home and property.

    Bevin’s tweet, which said that Loftus was “removed by state police,” was in reference to an instance two months ago — in March — when Loftus went to the governor’s new Anchorage mansion, according to Bevin spokeswoman Amanda Stamper. The governor ended the tweet with the hashtag “#PeepingTom.”
    The Courier-Journal rejected the claim that Loftus was “caught sneaking” around or that he was removed from the property. “The claims are untruthful and absurd,” Courier-Journal Executive Editor Joel Christopher said.

    Loftus himself had reported in a news story in March that he had gone to the residence, where he was “met by state police Trooper Mark Treadway, a member of the executive security detail, who declined to say who lived in the house and said it was private property.”

    Loftus said Saturday the only time he’s set foot on the Anchorage property was in March. He said he and a photographer parked on a side street. While the photographer stayed on the road, Loftus walked up the driveway, planning to knock on the front door to ask questions about who lived there.

    Loftus said he began walking up the drive, greeted a workman and identified himself. The workman directed Loftus to one of several outbuildings on the property, Loftus wrote in an email.

    Read more here: http://www.kentucky.com/news/politics-government/article153134619.html#storylink=cpy

  18. 18.

    SFAW

    @hovercraft:

    Twitler and his fans are wedded to a narrative, white “criminals” are individuals, “those” people are terrorists who represent their entire group. Duh!

    And WHEN will Obama speak out, deploring behaviors by brown people which required a God-fearing white man (who needs our understanding, of course) to commit a tragic act?

  19. 19.

    scav

    Let us not forget that other lone white wolf claiming that God Has forgiven him despite his being “not fit to live” in his own estimation. White on white violence, three location spree, taking out policemen, but let us be oh so careful as it is too early to speculate about motive or discuss the larger context of such actions.

  21. 21.

    SFAW

    @rikyrah:

    Looking for Bevin to dox Loftus in 3 .. 2 .. 1 ….

    These fucking guys just can’t help themselves, can they?

  22. 22.

    rikyrah

    Rylo Ken‏ @Kennymack1971

    What you hiding man?: Bernie Sanders won’t file 2016 finance reports, even after delays

  23. 23.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    @Mnemosyne:

    Yes, I’m guessing that to the White Pride types, those two white guys who stepped in to defend Muslim females were a couple of neutered losers.

  25. 25.

    SFAW

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    The Oregon Rethuglican Party, like all Rethuglican entities, is made up of racist criminal shitstains.

    Sorta low-key for you. You feeling OK?

    ETA: And # 24 is even MORE low-key. WTF?

  26. 26.

    rikyrah

    Steve Marmel‏Verified account @Marmel

    Portland White Supremicist terrorist is part of a larger group.
    Round up all known associates.
    Break his terror cell

  27. 27.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @SFAW: I’m trying hard, and it’s difficult, not to turn into a green rage monster.

    VDE SMASH!

  30. 30.

    eclare

    Sorry to be OT, here in Memphis, we got hit by storms. Been told may be a week before power is back. In the goddamn USA.

  32. 32.

    SFAW

    @rikyrah:

    No big deal. Things are being overseen by Kris Kobach, Ken Blackwell, and Hans von Spakovsky, so I’m sure there will be no problems whatsoever.

    Well, except for all those fraudsters not ‘Murican enough to be allowed to vote. But outside of them, no problem.

  33. 33.

    germy

    LGM comment:

    Abigail Nussbaum says:
    May 28, 2017 at 10:25 am

    A third man also stepped up, and is recovering in the hospital, but I haven’t read anything beyond his name.

    I saw something about him briefly on twitter. Apparently he’s a poet who has written poems about Islamophobia and anti-immigration (he’s against both, in case that wasn’t clear).

    Oh, and there’s a GoFundMe for his medical expenses, because America.

  34. 34.

    Roger Moore

    @hovercraft:

    Twitler and his fans are wedded to a narrative, white “criminals” are individuals, “those” people are terrorists who represent their entire group.

    Not just criminals. Look at the number of times Obama was asked to answer for anything any black man did. All minorities exist only as members of their group, except when they do something good, at which point they’re just Americans and it’s unfair to single out their ethnicity.

  36. 36.

    mai naem mobile

    @Villago Delenda Est: wasn’t Alan Berg killed by a white supremacist from Oregon? I’m not sure if it was Oregon or Washington . I remember being surprised at that time because I thought of white supremacists as the South and Idaho.

  39. 39.

    germy

    @mai naem mobile: back in 1984 they had copy machines and telephone poles.

    Nowadays they have twitter and the rest of social media, and they get picked up by people like Hean Shannity.

  40. 40.

    Oatler.

    Some foolhardy soul mentioned it in Patricia Heaton’s Twitter feed… like walking into a blowtorch.

  41. 41.

    Roger Moore

    @rikyrah:

    What you hiding man?: Bernie Sanders won’t file 2016 finance reports, even after delays

    I guess we’ll just have to speculate about his financial wrongdoing.

  43. 43.

    JPL

    @eclare: Hopefully, it won’t be that long. I hope you stock up on ice soon, so you can salvage whatever you have in the freezer. My son lost power for several days, and I purchased ice for him thirteen miles away.

  44. 44.

    Roger Moore

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Aren’t wolves social animals? What is this lone wolf business.

    Wolves are generally social, with individual packs generally being family units. That doesn’t mean, though, that all wolves are members of packs. There’s a tendency for young wolves to break off from their family units to try to find their own territory and found new packs. Those are “lone wolves”.

    ETA: Not to be confused with loan wolves, the land-based equivalents of loan sharks.

  47. 47.

    hovercraft

    @Mnemosyne:

    sanitized version of that old chestnut applied to less-racist white people of “race traitor”?

    Sell-out
    Ni**er lover
    Yes. Remember to these people acknowledgement of being wrong is a display of weakness. That’s why Obama’s so called “apology tour” pissed them off so much, America and white people are never wrong. FFS they are still disputing the cause of the Civil War, it was about States rights, economics, Northern Aggression. This is not denial, it is willful blindness, self delusion and the GOP knows this and exploits it.

  48. 48.

    JPL

    The democratic party should be screaming about the alt-right and the attacks happening in our country. This was a terrorist attack.

  49. 49.

    JPL

    @eclare: My son who lives in DeKalb is voting for Ossoff on Tuesday and, the Fulton County family is early voting on Saturday. We could use you here.

  50. 50.

    J R in WV

    Adam, great job adjusting that verbiage for improved accuracy. I do hope that the terror cell that “Christian” is a member of is cleaned up, as they all share guilt for his atrocity!

    @eclare:

    Here in rural WV, we’re on a single leg of the power grid, and there are only 6 or 7 families on this leg, in this hollow. Back when the derecho hit states from Indiana to the east coast, we were out of power for over 2 weeks. The neighbors cleared a tunnel through the trees across the main road into the neighborhood. I had a small generator that was able to power the refrigerator. But it couldn’t run the well pump, so we ran out of potable water pretty quickly, and got more at the city garage nearest, about 17 miles toward town.

    Now I have a Generac whole house generator, powered by natural gas. I runs everything but the AC, which is a big power drain, and the well, which has its own power meter 800 feet away from the house. I have a water tank in the basement now with 300 gallons, not quite potable, but we can flush toilets and wash things up with it.

    Hope you guys aren’t off grid too long, but that was a huge storm, I watched it on the NOAA radar on the Internet. Even in an urban environment, thousands of downed lines take a while to repair. Those guys earn their pay, that’s hard work, 18 hours a day after a storm, often in freezing temps, or blazing heat. We have had crews here from Missouri, South Carolina, all over the eastern half of the nation after really big events. We buy them pecan rolls and give them out to the crews.

    One neighbor has been known to donate white lightning to the crews for when they go off duty, much appreciated it is, too. A local handicraft handed down for generations!

  51. 51.

    Mike in DC

    I wonder what the media coverage of a Democratic candidate promising a crackdown on violent right wing white nationalist extremism would be like.

    Actually, I don’t. I know exactly what the media coverage would be like.

  52. 52.

    Steve in the ATL

    @eclare:

    Sorry to be OT, here in Memphis, we got hit by storms. Been told may be a week before power is back. In the goddamn USA.

    My parents live on Belleair. A few years ago, they lost power for several weeks. It was insane.

  55. 55.

    Trentrunner

    of the 85 violent extremist incidents that resulted in death since September 12, 2001, far-rightwing violent extremist groups were responsible for 62 (73%) while radical Islamist violent extremists were responsible for 23 (27%).

    In a nation of 320M, these small numbers of deaths–from either source–are less than a rounding error.

    We overreact so fatally.

  56. 56.

    rikyrah

    Angela Merkel says Europeans must rely on themselves after Trump tensions at G7 meeting
    BY Jason Silverstein
    NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
    Updated: Sunday, May 28, 2017, 3:30 PM

    Welcome to the new world disorder.

    German Chancellor Angela Merkel hinted Sunday that recent tensions at the G7 meeting — where President Trump clashed with world leaders about the Paris climate accord — made her realize time-tested global alliances are failing.

    “The times in which we could rely fully on others, they are somewhat over,” Merkel said in a Munich campaign event for her fourth term.

    “This is what I experienced in the last few days. We Europeans must really take our destiny into our own hands.”

    Merkel did not name a specific leader or event that brought her grim epiphany.

    But it was clear what she was referring to: The previous day’s tense G7 summit in Sicily, which ended with Trump trampling on agreements with other allied nations.

  57. 57.

    Ruckus

    @J R in WV:

    A local handicraft handed down for generations!

    I’ve had some good moonshine and some that was sort of blah. But the good stuff was one the most amazing alcoholic beverages I’ve ever had. Won’t mention who it was that made it but suffice it to say it was made in a state just south of you.

  58. 58.

    rikyrah

    Samantha Power‏ @SamanthaJPower

    Samantha Power Retweeted Jonathan Swan

    China cannot believe that the United States is willfully, nonchalantly vacating leadership of the world. This is a huge gift to China

  60. 60.

    rikyrah

    Jared Kushner Is A Thug
    Damon Young, 5/26/17

    Thug has become such a ubiquitous dog whistle for a certain type of uncomfortable Blackness — and by “certain type of uncomfortable Blackness” I mean “all Blackness” — that the whistle is no longer necessary. Nothing is coded, nothing concealed, nothing cloaked. Those who use it in this context can’t even feign to deny anymore that they’re employing it to evoke a certain type of imagery; that they’re specifically attempting to a stoke fear of a Black person (usually male, but occasionally female) whose appearance, actions, and attitudes exude a latent criminality. They say thug, and we’re supposed to immediately picture anyone ranging from Colin Kaepernick (because tattoos and uppity) to Kanye West (because Taylor). Which is a great piece of semantic propaganda, as the arbitrariness of that distinction creates an ever-shifting goalpost where anyone Black could be a thug. The only immovable criteria is them perceiving us as a threat. Equally and perhaps even more importantly, it also hides their thuggishness in plain sight; criminalizing sagging jeans and braided hair and Homewood while the thuggiest thugs are actually in boat shoes and Patagonia fleeces in the Hamptons.

    And perhaps no single public figure embodies this dichotomy better than Jared Kushner, the thuggish ruggish backbone of the Trump family. Even Donald, the Cheeto-tinted charlatan that he is, has a certain translucent shamelessness to him that prevents even the dumbest of us from regarding him as anything but a man who plays dirty and embraces dirt. He’s a shitheel who knows he’s a shitheel and wants everyone to know it too. Kushner, on the other hand, looks and sounds and dresses and walks like someone who goes to Trader Joe’s for the ambiance. He’s a Subaru Outback with sentience. The kid whose nickname in high school was “Butt Plug” or “Asthma Boy.” If Donald Trump was born on third base, his bitch-ass was born in J Crew.

    He’s also a slumlord. The publisher of a tabloid with a tuxedo. Completely ensconced in the criminal activities of his father-in-law’s family. Oh, and he might have committed treason. He looks like he should be asking some server somewhere for gluten-free ice chips, but he’s actually Avon Barksdale with a Lululemon charge card.

  61. 61.

    debbie

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    That’s like the theory that Dylan Roof waited an hour before opening fire because, as a good Christian, he had doubts.

    I want to know when does the deportation of White Christians begin?

  62. 62.

    ? ?? Goku ? ?

    A few thoughts and questions:

    If he was a mentally ill lone wolf, Trump and others in the alt-right are still responsible for their rhetoric influencing this asshole.

    Second, I’ve thought about getting a tazer in response to this. I know I’m a loud mouth who would get involved in a situation like what happened in Portland. I would like to protect myself and others in the event something like this happened to me. Good idea?

  63. 63.

    rikyrah

    Black Codes and Dress Codes: Will Black Hair Always Be Against the Rules?
    Shayna Watson
    Today 9:03am

    Graduation season—that time of year when we get to celebrate academic achievements, watch with anticipation as the graduates move on to life’s next step and hear about all the students being banned from prom and graduation for dress-code violations.

    As a jolting end to that list, we’re hearing more stories of students who are being punished near the close of the school year for their clothes or hair. These instances are typically about female students (because let’s face it, dress codes are pretty much only about women’s fashion and beauty), and more often than not about students of color.

    Earlier this month, we learned of black teen twins in Massachusetts who were banned from prom and extracurricular clubs for wearing braided hair extensions. A popular protective style for naturals, the braids were said to be against the school’s rules against hair extensions, distracting hairstyles and hair taller than two inches in height.

    Knowing what we know about black hair growth—that tightly coiled or kinky hair grows up and out instead of down, and that the use of extensions like box braids allows for healthy hair growth—this rule sounded extremely targeted towards students of color, specifically black students. The school has since suspended all punishments and promised to rework the policies, but the larger concern is cultural education and addressing the biases that bred school policies targeting black students.

    ………………………………………………
    In popular culture, black natural hair is “on trend.” Mainstream media has picked up on the perceived coolness of some types of black hair and we see an increase in representation. However, for many black women, our hair has been anything but cool for the majority of our lives. Regardless of the celebration we may see now, there is a lifetime of hate and pain wrapped around our natural hair texture and the way we have been treated because of it.

    To be told that your natural self (a “self” that many of us have spent the majority of our lives learning to love and accept) is a fad, is extreme, or is exaggerated can be dehumanizing. Where is the code banning blonde hair? We would be up in arms at someone’s personal preference of acceptable beauty being made into a hard and fast rule for all women to follow.

    This is what is being asked of black girls and women—to take a cultural standard as rule and change ourselves to fit in. TSA still pats down my hair every single time I travel—all while I am watching white women with buns and up ’dos walk through untouched

  66. 66.

    Another Scott

    @mai naem mobile: Gizmodo: Oregon was founded as a racist utopia:

    When Oregon was granted statehood in 1859, it was the only state in the Union admitted with a constitution that forbade black people from living, working, or owning property there. It was illegal for black people even to move to the state until 1926. Oregon’s founding is part of the forgotten history of racism in the American west.

    Waddles Coffee Shop in Portland, Oregon was a popular restaurant in the 1950s for both locals and travelers alike. The drive-in catered to America’s postwar obsession with car culture, allowing people to get coffee and a slice of pie without even leaving their vehicle. But if you happened to be black, the owners of Waddles implored you to keep on driving. The restaurant had a sign outside with a very clear message: “White Trade Only — Please.”

    […]

    Racism is an American – not just a southern – stain (and not purely American, of course).

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  69. 69.

    debbie

    A great photo just popped up on my FB page. it’s the G7 leaders walking through town. Angela Merkel is pushing a push car with a Photoshopped Trump in it. Very funny. No way to link to it. :(

  70. 70.

    Mnemosyne

    @Trentrunner:

    In a nation of 320M, these small numbers of deaths–from either source–are less than a rounding error. (emphasis mine)

    Sorry, you may be willing to ignore murders by white supremacists as “rounding errors,” but I am not.

  71. 71.

    Jay S

    @? ?? Goku ? ?: I can’t speak to Tasers or Pepper spray, except to note that they may not be legal in all jurisdictions and may take time to deploy. You might look into Adam’s recommendation here for a defense mechanism that might be appropriate.

  72. 72.

    Roger Moore

    @Jay S:
    As far as the taking time to deploy, that’s less of a worry if you’re mostly thinking in terms of defending others rather than self-defense. In this case, for instance, the men who intervened probably would have had time to get something like a taser or pepper spray ready before stepping in.

  76. 76.

    El Caganer

    @rikyrah: One of my favorite online writers. Don’t know when I ran across VSB on Facebook, but got hooked immediately.

  77. 77.

    Adam L Silverman

    @mai naem mobile: Berg was killed by Bob Matthews and other members of the Order (first version). The Order was spun out of the bodyguards/security guards at the Aryan Nations’ compound.

  79. 79.

    Adam L Silverman

    @amygdala: You’re welcome. And I was tracking on the FBI’s involvement. But it needed to be stated explicitly anyway. This stuff isn’t limited to one ethnicity, religion, sect within a religion, ideology, social movement, etc. And if it takes some angry snark to make the point, I can do that.

  85. 85.

    ? ?? Goku ? ?

    @Adam L Silverman: I live in Ohio and checked it. CC for tazers is legal. Not sure about my county/city, but lean towards it being legal. I’ll probably never have to use it if I do, but it’s good for piece of mind

  86. 86.

    Renie

    Adam, if you are still around would love for you to do a post on Merkel’s remarks about not being able to rely on US anymore and the implications for this?

  89. 89.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Renie: I was typing it up as you submitted the comment. This is the NATO post I was planning for Friday. Between having a low grade beginning of summer cold and wanting to see what was said by EU and NATO leaders once the President left Europe, I saved it for today. And Chancellor Merkel did not disappoint!

  91. 91.

    Adam L Silverman

    @? ?? Goku ? ?: I’d also recommend taking a training class if one is offered in your area. Like with a firearm: if you take it out and point it at someone you had better be able to use it and to do so in an effective manner. It is also important to remember that many of the commercially available tasers are a one shot affair. So if you have multiple attackers you’ll need to think through what you’d do once you use the taser.

  93. 93.

    TenguPhule

    @Adam L Silverman:

    if you take it out and point it at someone you had better be able to use it and to do so in an effective manner.

    And if you’re not willing to kill that person, don’t take it out at all. Because once you escalate, if you’re not prepared to go all the way, you’re dead.

    The problem with a tazer is that when it doesn’t work, you’ve just made them really fucking mad.

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