WSJ editorial page ??? https://t.co/UQ5X1HJO4G pic.twitter.com/sgryMXVB6D
— Brendan Nyhan (@BrendanNyhan) June 6, 2017
Scoop from @Isikoff: all the major law firms that refused to take on @realDonaldTrump as a client. @YahooNews https://t.co/KwalELF29z
— Daniel Klaidman (@dklaidman) June 6, 2017
I have had several conversations in the past few months with very smart, young people who were soon to finish up their current round of education. They were looking for jobs and trying to figure what would be next. Their education, training and inclinations would normally make federal work attractive. Yet they looked at the Trump Administration and decided to go elsewhere.
dmsilev
TPM had a golden quote following up on that story:
Geeno
If you were a young person of potential, would YOU want this stain on your resume?
Lurking Canadian
Maybe Trump should call Sal’s Muffler and Legal Services in Camden, NJ.
Mnemosyne
There was a rumor that Ted Olson was going to take this on, and I was disappointed in him since he seems to have developed into an actual libertarian (hence his arguing in favor of gay marriage at the Supreme Court).
Looks like he at least had enough common sense to stay away from this shitshow.
ruemara
Essentially, it’s like working production on Fox News. I was warned against it, as it meant being stuck at Fox. Like the reality ghetto but, more awful. It may have gotten better.
Yellowdog
There’s a Federal hiring freeze, isn’t there. Nobody is getting a government job.
Gelfling 545
@Lurking Canadian: But no doubt Sal would expect to be paid as well, which would be a problem.
Peale
@dmsilev: $20 bet that says Lanny will be working for them by August 1.
? ?? Goku (aka Junior G-Man) ? ?
Why would any lawyer want to involve themselves in Trump? He’s a totally corrupt lunatic who would undercut any defense they could drum up. Sometimes money isn’t enough. El Presidente is just that slimy.
He’ll probably be reduced to having his tax attorney represent him in court; or undercover Russians.
WereBear
@? ?? Goku (aka Junior G-Man) ? ?: Exactly. It is a no-win situation to represent Trump.
germy
JMG
Defense attorneys, no, make that all attorneys, don’t want a blabbermouth client.
Gin & Tonic
@dmsilev: How can you possibly be too skeevy for Lanny Davis? I thought that was impossible.
? ?? Goku (aka Junior G-Man) ? ?
@Gin & Tonic: With El Presidente Trumpo, anything is possible! Haven’t you ever heard of MAGA?
SRW1
One could get the feeling the Trump brand is taking bit of a hammering. Not sure Donald’s base will be able to make up for it.
TenguPhule
Trump and the GOP (may their souls rot eternally) have done their best to make federal work unattractive to competent honest people.
We’re going to get an Iraq/African style government at this rate. People are going to have to bribe government workers to get work done because the workers can’t survive on their official pay and their benefits cut.
TenguPhule
@Gin & Tonic:
When it comes to sleaze, nothing is impossible for Trumpman.
dmsilev
@Gin & Tonic: I know, right.
I assume his main concern actually is the likelihood of not getting paid, but still.
Peale
@? ?? Goku (aka Junior G-Man) ? ?: Wasn’t there some lawyer with a kilt that he wore because he claimed his dick was too big for pants who represented the guy who claimed to be Obama’s rejected gay lover? What happened to that guy?
jl
“The buck stops here”. Harry S. Truman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaM-prl6IYQ
Immanentize
@Yellowdog: The freeze (which might officially be over) was always more like a chill and waivers are flying aplenty — if you are the right Dept
Immanentize
@? ?? Goku (aka Junior G-Man) ? ?: It’s not his slimyness. It’s the real fear you would never be paid.
Immanentize
@dmsilev: beat me to it.
Gin & Tonic
@TenguPhule: I may have mentioned that my son was fortunate enough to be accepted into the International Relations masters’ programs of both Tufts (Fletcher) and Georgetown, with decent financial offers from both, to start in September. While the decision of which grad school to attend is complex and multi-faceted, one of the factors that led him to decline Georgetown’s offer is that they are very strongly oriented toward carrers in the Foreign Service (Dept of State.) He preferred Fletcher because the students, the internship paths and the alumni network offered a wider variety of options, not just State.
I wonder what next year’s yield for Georgetown will be.
? ?? Goku (aka Junior G-Man) ? ?
@Peale: Never heard of that and glad I didn’t. Sounds too cray-cray.
? ?? Goku (aka Junior G-Man) ? ?
@Immanentize: You can argue that his slimyness is apart of that. Like someone who skips paying the bill for dinner at a restaurant, leaving his fellow diners to pick it up. I’d call that slimy
Origuy
@Peale: Montgomery Sibley. He got his license to practice law suspended in Florida and DC.
TenguPhule
@Gin & Tonic: I saw. And he made a wise choice. I know I’m accused of being overly dramatic and perhaps even paranoid, but I can’t emphasize enough just how bad the damage to the system of a professional government workforce is for everyone. It’s been getting slowly worse for years as the GOP has made it their goal to make the public sector a worse version of the private sectory, but Trump is accelerating the rate of decay by blowing giant holes in the various Departments.
Decades of priceless knowledge and experience are being lost as people leave who knew how things worked and how things got done. It’s not plug and play when it comes to government functions, it takes years to learn the bureaucratic system and function smoothly. When you have to learn everything from scratch with nobody experienced to show you the ropes, things tend not to go well.
And once a culture of bribery gets rooted in (because its the only way to make a living), rooting it out is really, really hard.
Gremcat
Does Trump have to pay this himself, or do we the tax payers foot the bill.
Yutsano
Yeah…I can’t exactly encourage anyone to become a Fed in the current environment. HOWEVER…administrations change. So many civil servants have survived positive and negative administrations because at the end of the day it’s about your work. The fact that the job is actually really stable with great benefits is a nice perk. But civil service as a calling is really a great way to work.
Also: those great talents would help on the state level.
Cheryl from Maryland
@TenguPhule: Totally agree. One of my college buddies is in the Foreign Service stationed in Germany. He’s retiring at the end of the year. No one is happy.
Immanentize
@TenguPhule: @Yutsano: I agree with you both, but — a different perspective comes from my friend in DOJ who has been in the Civil Rights Division since Reagan was Pres. They just finished hiring about 10 new lawyers in his division. On boarded the last in October. He is hell bent on keeping every one of them making them understand the work remains critical whether the AG is Meese, Reno, Ashcroft , Holder or Sessions (to name a few). There is some institutional value that has not yet, at least in that division, succumbed to the meanness of leaders.
TenguPhule
@Immanentize:
Yes, I know. All credit to him and those like him trying to save some of the seedcorn for the future.
Mnemosyne
@Gremcat:
IIRC from the Clinton years, Trump has to foot the bill. But I’m sure he’ll figure out a way to grift some government money towards it.
Это курам на смех
@Immanentize: The freeze was a freeze, but that was lifted. Now it’s a chill. Agency managers have been asked to submit plans by this fall for ways to cut staffing. So outside of a few areas, nobody is hiring. We don’t expect RIFs (reductions in force, aka layoffs) but there will be a big push to reduce the federal workforce through attrition, with ensuing vacancies to go unfilled.
Of course we will also see efforts to privatize government functions, which costs the taxpayers more but helps shovel money from the Treasury to cronies and contributors.
Frankensteinbeck
@? ?? Goku (aka Junior G-Man) ? ?:
I think crucial here is that people who would represent a morally repugnant client still don’t want an incompetent client. Trump is going to be a Sovereign Citizen client, but on a giant scale and less predictable or coherent. Abusive, won’t take instructions, lies to you, doesn’t pay, and does dumb-ass shit both inside and outside of course that torpedoes any strategy you come up with. It’s only indirectly that he’s a grotesque human being. He’s one you can’t work with.
Omnes Omnibus
@Lurking Canadian: “Sorry, Mr. Trump, Sal is working on a ’72 Buick and can’t be disturbed at the moment.”
Yutsano
@Immanentize: The real issue with the wave after wave of the hiring freezes is while the civil service is very experienced it is also OLD. I’m 44 and that’s considered a baby. There are people hanging on 40+ years in the federal work force. There’s going to be a gargantuan retirement wave soon and without new blood to get trained on how things work NOW…the federal government could fall apart from the inside.
@Gremcat: @Mnemosyne: Outside counsel is not considered an expense of the Presidential Office.
If the officeholder had any ethics.
Or oversight.
Ah buck it he’s gonna grift the shit out of it.
Gremcat
@Mnemosyne: I wonder if he can use campaign contributions. I know he has already started his PAC for 2020. I bet he will end up that being that billionaire that he always claimed by the time he gets put out to pasture.
Frankensteinbeck
@Mnemosyne:
His go-tos so far are ‘offer a government contract as a bribe to get someone else to pay for it’ and ‘use it as an excuse to make the government pay for a Trump service, then use that money to cover his expenses.’
Shana
@Gin & Tonic: I think he made the right decision. Georgetown, all around, is geared toward putting people into Washington and administration jobs. And while Tufts isn’t the prettiest campus, Boston is a lot of fun.
goblue72
Better Call Saul.
? ?? Goku (aka Junior G-Man) ? ?
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/30/…..index.html
It’s real shame he didn’t die in 2002 from that headshot. Maybe those too men he killed in cold blood would still be alive now. Hope he gets the death penalty. Never thought I’d ever type that
TenguPhule
Teresa May, UK’s own Female Trump
Corbyn must still be shaking his head in disbelief.
I’m actually starting to feel a spark of optimism.
Own goal doesn’t begin to describe this.
goblue72
@Shana: Hey, Meh-fid aint dat bad!
Once upon a time, options for a Tufts student looking some fun near campus were limited and often required getting on the T to Central Sq or Boston. But Davis Square is basically Brooklyn North these days. Assuming one can even find an affordable place to live in a “Slummervile”.
Iowa Old Lady
@Cheryl from Maryland: My FBI buddy says morale in the Bureau is bad too.
Patricia Kayden
Lawyers have a rep of being sleazy but I guess not so sleazy that they’ll rep Trump. LOL.
schrodingers_cat
@Iowa Old Lady: My mom’s friend who just retired from the EPA where she worked as an epidemiologist, reports the same at the EPA. She worked on the link between asbestos and cancer, also smoking and cancer while at the EPA.
MomSense
My kid was supposed to go to DOD to work on climate change. Oh well.
Mike J
@Geeno:
If you were hiring and saw service in the Trump admin on a resume, how long would it take you to shit can the application?
Patricia Kayden
@? ?? Goku (aka Junior G-Man) ? ?: He sounds mentally ill. At the minimum he’ll spend the rest of his miserable life in jail. The survivor has been speaking out. Very courageous young man.
Patricia Kayden
@Mnemosyne: Or just not pay the bill which is his modus operandi.
efgoldman
@Yutsano:
And you don’t look a day over 60!
schrodingers_cat
@efgoldman: But at least he didn’t duck and cover in the 60s!
*ducks
Immanentize
@Это курам на смех: @Yutsano:
Another story to support you both. I have friends in both lawyer and inspector/engineering part of the EPA in the Northeast. One of my comrades told me they were expected to produce budget that would shrink by 10% next year. He said that would be easily met by the anticipated retirements (not early or buyouts) of career people.
It is going to take a lot of work to replace and repair (to coin a phrase).
Mike in NC
I thought I read somewhere that Boris Epshtyen was a lawyer.
Mnemosyne
@MomSense:
IIRC, the DOD is still all in on preparing for climate change and doesn’t give a good goddamn what the rest of the government thinks about it, so he may still be okay.
efgoldman
@goblue72:
I saw a pile of refrigerator boxes not far from campus.
Immanentize
@MomSense: DOD will definitely still be working on climate change. Did s/he actually lose an opportunity in the freeze? Bad!
Holden Pattern
@TenguPhule:
This is a feature, not a bug.
Immanentize
@goblue72: I just lost a draft which was long but can be summed up by — I live in West Medford north of Tufts. I love Medford.
Immanentize
@efgoldman: Sorry, I already let those out to an art student.
randy khan
@Mike J:
If it was a civil service job, I would at least give the person some benefit of the doubt. The hiring for those jobs generally does not involve political stuff.
But, honestly, I would have a hard time working in a government agency if I knew the agenda at the top was going to be as awful as it is with this bunch, even if the job were just an entry-level paper-pushing position.
Villago Delenda Est
Just stop for a second…the WSJ editorial page is saying this. The WSJ!
henqiguai
@schrodingers_cat(#54):
Neither did we; of course, this was Washington, DC, and the thinking was ducking and covering would only make you miss the pretty light show. Being right in DC, if the warheads started dropping, there were no civilian survivors anticipated.
SiubhanDuinne
@Mnemosyne:
“First thing we do, let’s stiff all the lawyers.”
amygdala
@Villago Delenda Est: Seems like the dam has broken there and at Bloomberg. They’ve both had some scathing pieces on the current administration in the past week or so.
burnspbesq
@Mnemosyne:
I would bet money that Gibson Dunn is the firm that passed due to concerns about the effect the representation might have on future recruiting. Among its peer group of large international firms, Gibson Dunn has scored badly on diversity, and Ken Doran is smart enough to not want to throw more gasoline on that fire.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
I would think to a law firm “Trump never pays his bills” would be a deal killer right there will the kind of complex corruption case Trump is facing.
burnspbesq
@TenguPhule:
If you’re seeing Jeremy Corbyn as a win, you’re a candidate for cataract surgery.
MomSense
@Immanentize
He will do similar work but it will likely be in Denmark (for Denmark) until the situation here is resolved. The frustrating thing is that we really do need to be planning now. Parts of Miami already flood twice a day.
He shared some rumint while he was home that was pretty disturbing and makes me think the trumprussia mess is more twisted than I imagined.
burnspbesq
@Enhanced Voting Techniques:
That’s actually easily manageable. $10 million in up-front, non-refundable cash, wired into the trust account. Monthly invoices applied agains the retainer until it is run down to $2 million. At that point, we don’t do any work until the retainer is replenished. This is not a negotiation, Mr. President, it’s an explanation.
Immanentize
@MomSense: Well Denmark is a fabulous place to study water effects. And the Mothership of Lego is in Billund, Denmark!!! How cool is that? My son got his first driver’s license there when he was six. Now he is 16 getting ready to get his second.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I, obviously, am not in sync with the trumpen trumpetariat, but this seems really, really dumb. “Hey! Let’s see if we can make any low information voters curious about what’s going on”
MomSense
@Immanentize:
INORITE! The poor kid is also being courted by U of Oslo. It’s just sad because he’s a smart kid. He said something so heartbreaking on 11/9/16. He said he was really excited about serving under a woman CIC.
burnspbesq
@? ?? Goku (aka Junior G-Man) ? ?:
I am categorically opposed to the death penalty, on both moral and utilitarian grounds. but some days I can accept my fellow man’s foolish fascination with it a bit more easily than others.
swbarnes2
@burnspbesq: Is there a chance that Trump could sue his lawyers for …something? I guess lawyers would know how to deal with that, but the cost of defending later frivolous lawsuits has to be part of the fee, I guess.
TenguPhule
@Villago Delenda Est:
So you’re willing to give them a blindfold and final cigarette now?
TenguPhule
@burnspbesq:
I’m hoping for a hung bench as an upset. Even a smaller Tory majority would be nice.
But if Labor actually pulls off a win, I will be happy. And it will show.
Raven Onthill
“…no-one but his family…”
Like any bad monarch who inherited their position.
artem1s
What, Jerry Falwell Jr doesn’t have some Liberty University hack he can throw at Twittler for the grift? They found someone to represent Kim Davis fast enough. Are they admitting LU supported someone for the convenience? or are they rooting for Pence to take over so they can really screw the poors, blacks, and women?