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You are here: Home / Politics / Domestic Politics / Florida Judge Set to Release Radical Islamic Terrorist in Tampa

Florida Judge Set to Release Radical Islamic Terrorist in Tampa

by Betty Cracker|  June 13, 201712:08 pm| 90 Comments

This post is in: Domestic Politics, Open Threads, General Stupidity, WTF?

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So, here’s a crazy story: A Tampa-based judge is about to release a 21-year-old radical Islamic terrorist (RIT) to the custody of his mom and grandma. The RIT came to the attention of authorities when one of his roommates murdered his other two roommates and led cops to the scene of the crime.

In the ensuing search, the cops found bomb-making materials, a photograph of Osama bin Laden and the collected works of Anwar al-Awlaki in the apartment, along with internet activity suggesting that the surviving RIT, who is slated for bail as early as today, thought it would be a good idea to “kill civilians and target locations like power lines, nuclear reactors, and synagogues,” according to the feds.

After the murders but before he was arrested due to the items found in the search, the RIT fled to South Florida, where he hooked up with a pal he’d met on a radical Islamic terrorist fan site. The online pal quit his McJob, liquidated his $3K life savings and visited a Bass Pro Shops outlet in South Florida, where he and his friend bought two guns and 100 rounds of ammo.

The cops caught up with them at a Burger King in Key Largo. What were they going to do with those guns and rounds? No one knows. The pal who quit his McJob isn’t under arrest, but he declined to elucidate on the pair’s aims when contacted by a reporter.

So, this judge is about to release a radical Islamic terrorist in my community today, unless prosecutors can get him to change his mind at a hearing this afternoon. Why isn’t Donald Trump screeching about this on Twitter instead of demanding media apologies for FAKE NEWS? Why aren’t people like Pam Geller freaking out about this reckless endangerment of the community?

Because — haha, just kidding! — the menace who is set to make bail in Tampa this afternoon is in fact a neo-Nazi, not a radical Islamic terrorist. All other details relayed above are correct — just swap out “neo-Nazi” for “RIT,” “Timothy McVeigh” for “Osama bin Laden” and “The Turner Diaries” for the “works of Anwar al-Awlaki.”

America is so weird sometimes. The end.

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  1. 1.

    Trentrunner

    June 13, 2017 at 12:09 pm

    So M. Night Shyamalan is now a BJ front-pager…

    Which fits, because I’m sure the end of the Trump Era is

    WE WERE DEAD THE WHOLE TIME.

  2. 2.

    Jerzy Russian

    June 13, 2017 at 12:14 pm

    If anyone needs me, I will be curled up in a fetal position the corner over there.

  3. 3.

    chopper

    June 13, 2017 at 12:15 pm

    “avoid terrorism charges with this one weird trick”

  4. 4.

    Scotian

    June 13, 2017 at 12:15 pm

    Sometmes?!?!?!

    Try being stuck having you as our only neighbour, trust me, sometimes, seems a bit understated…*wry chuckle*

  5. 5.

    Another Scott

    June 13, 2017 at 12:17 pm

    But of course. It’s Florida in 2017 USA. :-/

    In other news:

    Anne Applebaum‏ Verified account @anneapplebaum

    Russian cyber attack breached voter systems in 39 states https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-06-13/russian-breach-of-39-states-threatens-future-u-s-elections

    (via Julia Ioffe’s twitter feed)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  6. 6.

    burnspbesq

    June 13, 2017 at 12:18 pm

    And if some intrpid Senator were to ask ol’ Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III about this … smh.

  7. 7.

    Ian G.

    June 13, 2017 at 12:19 pm

    Oh man, I thought the twist at the end was going to be “because the RIT has a 2nd amendment right to stockpile military-style weapons and besides, good guys with guns will stop him”, said the Bush-appointee judge.

    Imagine if some lunatic imam appeared on a YouTube show brandishing AK-47s and saying that the 2nd amendment will guarantee his right to carry out Allah’s will. The GOP would be moving to repeal the 2nd amendment faster than they would move to repeal ACA, and​ with the NRA’s blessing. Only white people are supposed to threaten civilization with their 2nd amendment rights.

  8. 8.

    Stan

    June 13, 2017 at 12:21 pm

    I admit this is a little tangential but – there’s a huge streak of pro-Nazi thinking/feeling in this country, even though – I swear this is true – we fought a fucking war against those guys.

    Check out, say, collectors of old militaria. Nazi stuff dominates. Re-enactor hobbyists are disproportionately WW2 Germans (and US Confederates too, which seems close). Military history sections of bookstores are full of this stuff, much more so than, say, WW2 Japanese, or Vietnamese, or anyone else we ever fought.

    What exactly is going on here? Why do we think nazis aren’t bad guys?

  9. 9.

    Punchy

    June 13, 2017 at 12:21 pm

    But the question remains….did he in fact get busy in that Burger King bathroom?

  10. 10.

    mapaghimagsik

    June 13, 2017 at 12:23 pm

    @Stan: Part of it is that people have always had a fascination with the criminal or “bad guys”. But reading about serial killers and wanting to try your own is a huge leap.

    I don’t get the Nazi fascination.

  11. 11.

    Gravenstone

    June 13, 2017 at 12:24 pm

    Didn’t the one cracker kill his buddies because they were in fact neo-Nazis who were attacking his over his recent conversion to Islam? Talk about your plot twists.

  12. 12.

    Chyron HR

    June 13, 2017 at 12:25 pm

    @Stan:

    Um, excuse me, but if you’d attended the People’s Progressive Congress of Progressive Peoplehood this weekend you’d know that they’re not “Nazis”, they’re the noble members of the white working class and we need to start letting them have a voice in the Democratic primaries.

  13. 13.

    trollhattan

    June 13, 2017 at 12:25 pm

    @Stan:
    If “24” had been made in the ’60s it would have been themed as either a contemporary fight against Soviet spies or a WWII-era fight against Nazis. But today we know who the real enemy is, don’t we?

  14. 14.

    Spanky

    June 13, 2017 at 12:26 pm

    @burnspbesq:

    And if some intrpid Senator were to ask ol’ Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III about this … smh.


    He’s preoccupied with other things
    :

    Jeff Sessions personally asked Congress to let him prosecute medical marijuana providers

  15. 15.

    Quinerly

    June 13, 2017 at 12:28 pm

    OT: Meanwhile in Missouri, the Repug terrorists are murdering chickens on FB feeds, ripping out their hearts…all in the name of St. Louis being an “abortion sanctuary city.” I’m kinda shocked this isn’t getting move coverage: http://m.riverfronttimes.com/newsblog/2017/06/13/missouri-legislator-decapitates-live-chicken-on-facebook-because-abortion

  16. 16.

    Punchy

    June 13, 2017 at 12:28 pm

    visited a Bass Pro Shops outlet in South Florida, where he and his friend bought two guns and 100 rounds of ammo.

    This is where the story became the obvious fake. There’s no way a Bass Pro is selling guns and ammo to 2 brown-skinned customers, esp. if they’re together. Just like how 2 brown-skinned males cannot talk to each other on an airplane. Or get up to use the restroom at the same time. Or be seen together shopping for fertilizer.

  17. 17.

    SatanicPanic

    June 13, 2017 at 12:28 pm

    @Another Scott:

    One former senior U.S. official expressed concern that the Russians now have three years to build on their knowledge of U.S. voting systems before the next presidential election, and there is every reason to believe they will use what they have learned in future attacks

    I’m sure Donald J Trump will get right on this. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

  18. 18.

    NotMax

    June 13, 2017 at 12:28 pm

    From the sidebar at the newspaper site:

    Man named Trigger accidentally shoots himself in ankle at Dollar General
    [snip]
    Trigger has several past felony arrests in Pasco, dating back to 2009. After Sunday’s incident, he now faces a charge of possessing a firearm as a felon. Source

  19. 19.

    BBA

    June 13, 2017 at 12:29 pm

    Russell would be confined with an electronic monitor to his grandmother’s house in Orlando. . . . His mother and grandmother must co-sign for his bail, help Russell abide by the conditions of his release, and agree to forfeit his grandmother’s Orlando home if he flees.

    Why would they agree to this? Sure he’s family etc., but you know what he’s been up to, and now you’re putting your home at risk to keep him out of jail for a few months before trial?

  20. 20.

    Comrade Scrutinizer

    June 13, 2017 at 12:30 pm

    @Stan: Well, we got into War 2 because Pearl Harbor was bombed by “those dirty Nips”, not because of the Nazis. We only got involved in Europe because Hitler was kind enough to declare war on the US on 11 December. Prior to that, Roosevelt was stymied by public opinion and the Republican party from direct involvement in Europe. There was a significant amount of pro-Nazi sentiment in the US before the war, and it never quite went away.

  21. 21.

    sc

    June 13, 2017 at 12:30 pm

    Well, the two economically anxious guard-killing prison-breakers in GA are competing for his / their lack of alarm. The sheer amount of things requiring their non-attention is staggering!

  22. 22.

    PaulWartenberg

    June 13, 2017 at 12:32 pm

    this is insane. the man is caught threatening to attack NUCLEAR REACTORS, so that ought to automatically fall under the Patriot Act or other severe federal charges that should make him invalid for bail. Christ. White Privilege at its worst.

  23. 23.

    scav

    June 13, 2017 at 12:33 pm

    for some reason, my machine keeps insisting my name is “sc” when I’m from nowhere near that state. Sorry, but can my misfires be released?

  24. 24.

    Elmo

    June 13, 2017 at 12:34 pm

    @Stan:

    Why do we think nazis aren’t bad guys?

    I’ll take, “What color were the Nazis?” for $1,000, Alex.

  25. 25.

    Cheryl Rofer

    June 13, 2017 at 12:34 pm

    Julia Ioffe, mentioned by @Another Scott above, has an excellent article on Jefferson Beauregard Sessions and his meetings with Sergey Kislyak.

    It’s the kind of thing I’ve been collecting information for, and she’s written it so I don’t have to.

    It seems to me that knowing why Sessions, who has little-to-no foreign policy chops, was meeting repeatedly with the Russian ambassador, would go a long way toward understanding the unprecedented Russian interactions with the Trump campaign.

  26. 26.

    Big Ole Hound

    June 13, 2017 at 12:36 pm

    FLORIDA HAS IT’S OWN SET OF RULES FOR ALL IDIOTS CALLED JUDGES. YES I’M SHOUTING

  27. 27.

    hovercraft

    June 13, 2017 at 12:37 pm

    The GOP That Failed

    The party didn’t decide. And now Republicans are stuck with Trump.

    By Jeff Greenfield

    June 10, 2017

    As the carnage of World War I widened, Barbara Tuchman recounts in “The Guns of August,” a German leader asked a colleague, “How did it all happen?”

    “Ah,” replied the other, “if only one knew.”

    A century later, there is no mystery to the carnage that President Donald Trump has wrought. Everything we have seen in these first 140 days—the splintering of the Western alliance, the grifter’s ethics he and his family embody, the breathtaking ignorance of history, geopolitics and government, the jaw-dropping egomania, the sheer incompetence and contempt for democratic norms—was on full display from the moment his campaign began. And that’s not just what Democrats think—it’s what many prominent Republicans have said all along…………..

    So this may be a good time to remember that in a key sense, Trump happened because a well-established, real-life mechanism that was in the best position to prevent a Trump presidency failed. That institution was the Republican Party.

    It is not entirely true that Trump engineered a “hostile takeover” of the GOP, provided that the party is defined more broadly than elected officials and party insiders. As Conor Friedersdorf wrote last year in the Atlantic: “the elements of the party that sent pro-Trump cues or ‘Trump is at least acceptable’ signals to primary voters—Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, Ben Carson, Chris Christie, Breitbart.com, The Drudge Report, The New York Post, Bill O’Reilly, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, Jeff Sessions, Rick Scott, Jan Brewer, Joe Arpaio—are simply more powerful, relative to National Review, Mitt Romney, John McCain, and other ‘Trump is unacceptable’ forces, than previously thought.”……………….

    But either by cluelessness or willful design, the Republican Party had put itself in a position where one of the most significant functions of a party—the “vetting” of its prospective nominee—was rendered impotent.

    And we are living with that institutional failure every day.

    So now that even the most willfully blind villagers are being forced to admit that Twitler is a disaster and the GOP chose to go with him anyway, the excuses must begin? They didn’t just go along, they built bullshit mountain, there’s a reason that everything Twitler is suddenly claiming to be doing, was already proposed or done by the black man, he never was the radical socialist that they claimed he was, he was a left of center pragmatist which in this day and age where the Overton window had moved so far to the right, that fucking Nixon would be a liberal today.

  28. 28.

    LAO

    June 13, 2017 at 12:37 pm

    Far be it from me to argue in favor of bail BUT prosecutors have to demonstrate (by clear and convincing evidence) that the defendant is (1) either a threat that no reasonable conditions of bond can ameliorate OR (2) is a risk of flight. The release order here places the defendant on house arrest — (ankle bracelet).

    It’s not easy to get bond in a federal case when the government opposes release — the evidentiary bar is set fairly low, and they obviously failed to meet that standard. May be they will provide the Court with more evidence of his actual dangerous rather than rely on innuendo and assumptions.

  29. 29.

    Quinerly

    June 13, 2017 at 12:38 pm

    OT: Disturbing new restrictions on the press: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/capitol-reporters-new-restrictions-senate-interviews

  30. 30.

    LAO

    June 13, 2017 at 12:39 pm

    @PaulWartenberg:

    he man is caught threatening to attack NUCLEAR REACTORS

    That is not what he is charged with and Prosecutors certainly did not present any evidence of a likely or imminent plan to do so.

  31. 31.

    Mnemosyne

    June 13, 2017 at 12:40 pm

    @Stan:

    What exactly is going on here? Why do we think nazis aren’t bad guys?

    Speaking as someone who’s read a LOT about the Nazis, I absolutely don’t think that they’re not bad guys. It’s pretty clear from, say, The Nazis: A Warning from History that they were horrible people.

    I think the eternal fascination people have with the Nazis is that they were “civilized” people who decided to kill their own citizens in the name of “science.” People can’t make excuses that the Nazis were somehow “forced” to kill Europeans because they were savages who deserved it, which is the unspoken part of the massacres of the native people in places like India or Africa. And they can’t be dismissed as savages themselves, like we can dismiss the Japanese or Khmer Rouge.

    The Nazis were people very similar to Americans (to the point that the Nuremberg Laws bear more than a passing resemblance to Jim Crow laws) who killed people who are also very similar to Americans. And that’s the fascination for normal people: why did they do it, and how can we prevent it from happening again?

    For abnormal people, IMO the appeal is finally being able to revenge yourself on all of those Others who look down on you and laugh at you. And a subset of those people will try to take matters into their own hands like this asshole tried to do.

  32. 32.

    different-church-lady

    June 13, 2017 at 12:41 pm

    [pushes button on speaker phone]: “Johnson? Make this go viral!”

  33. 33.

    MoxieM

    June 13, 2017 at 12:42 pm

    @Stan: I blame Hugo Boss.

    No, really, at one point when the insane Curt Schilling was being insane, the contents of his Nazi stuff collection was viewable–Facebook maybe even? He owns prisoner garb from Dachau with sweat and possibly blood stains on it, which I find so repugnant that word fail. I think it’s even way more gross, disgusting, reprehensible, …did I say words fail? …than the obsessive collecting of Nazi soldier garb, equipment etc. I can’t even. And does our beloved press ever mention this? Does this ever prevent him from holding a public speaking position? I think he should be hounded from pillar to post to tumbrel for such a thing. But then I have moral standards.

  34. 34.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    June 13, 2017 at 12:43 pm

    @Ian G.:

    Imagine if some lunatic imam appeared on a YouTube show brandishing AK-47s and saying that the 2nd amendment will guarantee his right to carry out Allah’s will. The GOP would be moving to repeal the 2nd amendment faster than they would move to repeal ACA, and​ with the NRA’s blessing. Only white people are supposed to threaten civilization with their 2nd amendment rights.

    Wasn’t that what happened when the Black Panthers started carrying guns? Suddently we couldn’t have enough gun control.

  35. 35.

    ruemara

    June 13, 2017 at 12:43 pm

    @Stan: Because White Nationalism. They focused on elevating whiteness as a virtue. It’s great to have virtue just by being born.

    The upcoming near future already has a movie title. “There Will Be Blood”. I just don’t know if there’s any real will to oppose them. Lots of virtue signaling, not much will.

  36. 36.

    Mnemosyne

    June 13, 2017 at 12:44 pm

    @MoxieM:

    He owns prisoner garb from Dachau with sweat and possibly blood stains on it, which I find so repugnant that word fail.

    Wait, what?

    ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!?!

  37. 37.

    MoxieM

    June 13, 2017 at 12:45 pm

    @Mnemosyne: I wish I were. and I wish I had saved a screen shot, but I didn’t want to save such a thing.

  38. 38.

    Matt McIrvin

    June 13, 2017 at 12:46 pm

    The Nazis also had an appealing sense of visual style (snappy outfits and badass emblems, bold swastika flags, striking searchlight rallies and streamlined Moderne architecture), which was part of the way they came to power in the first place–some people are attracted to this kind of thing like a moth to a flame. I think part of the interest is just similar to the people who like to dress up as Star Wars villains–the bad guys just look cool (and Star Wars of course got a lot of its aesthetic directly from the Nazis, even for the good-guy characters in some cases).

  39. 39.

    The Moar You Know

    June 13, 2017 at 12:46 pm

    Why do we think nazis aren’t bad guys?

    @Stan: We never really did. Oh, afterwards, once Russia and Britain had won and the vast numbers of Americans who thought Hitler was a stand-up guy were too ashamed to tell their kids they’d thought he was the greatest, then there was finally a consensus, for a while, that Nazism was bad. But we as a nation sure as shit didn’t think so before WWII, and FDR had to fight like hell just to get us to send Britain some second-rate military equipment. And it wasn’t free – we charged Britain full price. Incidentally, that debt was not repaid until sometime around 2005. Yeah. We made them pay us back.

    Had Pearl Harbor not happened all Europe would be Reich Europe today. That’s a certainty. The Republicans of the time (oh my, isn’t that an odd coincidence) fought like hell to keep us out, and would have succeeded.

    As to why now? The last folks alive during WWII will be gone in a couple of years. The few that are left no longer constitute any sort of effective voting block and no longer need to be catered to, so we as a society can become “Nazi-curious” again. And a lot of Americans like what they see when they take a look. What that says about the fundamental nature of Americans, well, you decide. I’ve already figured it out and am just really sad that I’m pretty much too old and not-rich enough to emigrate anywhere. This is not a nation I want to stay in any longer.

  40. 40.

    hovercraft

    June 13, 2017 at 12:46 pm

    @Quinerly:

    Yesterday I saw somewhere that Yertle and Twitler are upset because apparently they had it on good authority that Kennedy was going to retire this Spring giving them the fifth vote to overturn Roe once and for all. Not to mention the justice would have been a pure true conservative in the mold of Alito and Goresuck, who would fulfill all their fantasies.

  41. 41.

    NotMax

    June 13, 2017 at 12:49 pm

    Hmmmm.

    The “COVFEFE Act of 2017” was put forward by Rep. Mike Quigley Monday, in an effort to amend the Presidential Records Act (PRA) to include all social media posts in the list of presidential communications that must be preserved.
    [snip]
    Quigley’s bill would mean that all of Trump’s social media posts are preserved, regardless of the account. It would also make deleting tweets a violation of the [Presidential Records Act]. Source

  42. 42.

    LAO

    June 13, 2017 at 12:50 pm

    Wow — the balls on these Republicans.

    ALERT: Reporters at Capitol have been told they are not allow to film interviews with senators in hallways, contrary to years of precedent— Kasie Hunt (@kasie) June 13, 2017

  43. 43.

    Mnemosyne

    June 13, 2017 at 12:51 pm

    @MoxieM:

    Holy shit. I think the odds of me ever meeting Schilling are zero, but if I did, I would be hard-pressed not to punch him in the mouth. And I’m not even Jewish.

    ETA: I can understand why a museum would want to preserve that, or a family still having something like that passed down from a relative, but to buy it for your personal collection? That’s like buying the outfit that one of John Wayne Gacy’s victims was murdered in.

  44. 44.

    Joe Falco

    June 13, 2017 at 12:51 pm

    I’m sure Trump did Nazi that one coming!

  45. 45.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 13, 2017 at 12:51 pm

    @Stan:

    Why do we think nazis aren’t bad guys?

    I’m more surprised the Nazis didn’t seem to know they were bad guys.

    “I’ve just noticed something… have you looked at our caps recently? Because they’ve got skulls on them. Have you noticed?”

  46. 46.

    EBT

    June 13, 2017 at 12:53 pm

    Still ok with using existing laws to round up the nazis and white supremacists and put them in jail.

  47. 47.

    LAO

    June 13, 2017 at 12:54 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: I’ve been waiting for someone to post that. LOL.

  48. 48.

    hovercraft

    June 13, 2017 at 12:56 pm

    @MoxieM:
    I don’t even know what to say to that……………
    What a disgusting human being.

  49. 49.

    grandpa john

    June 13, 2017 at 12:56 pm

    @Stan: because they suffer from a skin disorder, it’s white

  50. 50.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    June 13, 2017 at 12:57 pm

    @MoxieM: “He owns prisoner garb from Dachau with sweat and possibly blood stains on it, which I find so repugnant that word fail. I think it’s even way more gross, disgusting, reprehensible, …did I say words fail? …that the obsessive collecting of Nazi soldier garb equipment etc. I can’t even”

    I run into twats like this all the time in on line role playing. Also some 20 something under employed white dude bro who never served a day in the military but likes to see see himself as an SS officer(never the enlisted man, always the officer). I tell them “well, I am running this role play were it’s a Soviet Gulag in Siberia in 1946 and we are looking for people to play SS officers…”, and that pretty much ends the conversation. Funny how these White Warrior dude bros never want to think about what happened to Germany after WWII.

  51. 51.

    NotMax

    June 13, 2017 at 12:57 pm

    EU schism over refugees widening.

    The European Union warned the Czech Republic, Hungary and Poland on Tuesday that they have 24 hours to start taking in refugees under an EU migrant sharing plan or face legal action. Source

  52. 52.

    MattF

    June 13, 2017 at 1:00 pm

    @hovercraft: Well, specifically about Republican cowardice, see Ms. Rubin.

  53. 53.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 13, 2017 at 1:01 pm

    @LAO: happy to help.

  54. 54.

    ? Martin

    June 13, 2017 at 1:02 pm

    @Mnemosyne: To me, the Nazis are fascinating because the rank and file citizenry then were fundamentally no different than those in Germany now, yet somehow they allowed themselves to behave in a fundamentally different way. That suggests to me that any population is similarly vulnerable to this including the US. Understanding why that happened is particularly important to guard against it repeating.

    That said, while I find it fascinating, my distaste of it only grows the more I learn.

  55. 55.

    Kay

    June 13, 2017 at 1:02 pm

    the menace who is set to make bail in Tampa this afternoon is in fact a neo-Nazi, not a radical Islamic terrorist.

    This is horrible to say but is part of the difference in treatment by the general public (not wingnuts or racists- just people who only pay scant attention) because the general public thinks neoNazis are kind of dumb? Like, international terrorists are sophisticated plotters who might pull it off but these guys will have trouble putting together gas money to get to the nuclear power plant, let alone blow it up?

  56. 56.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 13, 2017 at 1:03 pm

    @LAO: reminds me too of a satirical letter to the history channel about their unrealistic programming I saw once. “The bad guys play soccer with the heads of children and the good guys are led by a kindly old man in a wheelchair, and the war is ended by an unstoppable super weapon developed in secret in the desert? Really?”

  57. 57.

    Stan

    June 13, 2017 at 1:03 pm

    @Elmo: But the Russians were pasty white too, and we hated them for a few decades……

  58. 58.

    MoxieM

    June 13, 2017 at 1:04 pm

    @Mnemosyne: He’s taken down the prisoner garb, but still has an armband from the SS camp guards at Dachau up in a frame with other unit arm bands. It’s beyond appalling. (And, illegal in Germany. for good reason.)

    I need to go take a shower now.

  59. 59.

    LAO

    June 13, 2017 at 1:06 pm

    @? Martin: I think you can look at the Stanford Prison Experiment from the early 1970s and understand, that what happened in Germany could happen here.

  60. 60.

    ruemara

    June 13, 2017 at 1:07 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: But evil always sees itself as good. They can’t perceive that what they do is wrong to other folks. That’s just how deeply they delude themselves.

  61. 61.

    MoxieM

    June 13, 2017 at 1:08 pm

    @? Martin: Um, they are pretty different now, than they were in the 20’s and 30’s. The efforts of the ’68 generation to call the country to account for its crimes against humanity have been generally quite effective. Not perfect, but compared to, say Japan, or Holland (see: Indonesia), pretty damned effective. Talk to a modern German about what they’ve learned in school and internalized about the Holocaust and WWII, autocratic rulers, and the necessity for democratic process and you’ll be surprised.

  62. 62.

    The Moar You Know

    June 13, 2017 at 1:08 pm

    EU schism over refugees widening.

    @NotMax: Gonna get worse. Europe is having some legitimate problems with them (mostly in paying for it, the costs are staggering, and while Germany can afford it, nobody else really can). These converge with their non-legitimate prejudices. It’s gonna be a fucking mess for years.

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    Mnemosyne

    June 13, 2017 at 1:09 pm

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques:

    Funny how these White Warrior dude bros never want to think about what happened to Germany after WWII.

    And the reason the Allies harshly punished the Germans — up to and including forcing German citizens to take tours of the death and labor camps before they were cleaned up — was to teach them never to do that shit again.

    Unfortunately, white Americans have never been forced to undergo a similar deprogramming for white supremacism, so it still lingers in our body politic like a malignant cancer.

  64. 64.

    MoxieM

    June 13, 2017 at 1:12 pm

    @Mnemosyne: I know right. It’s like collecting the blood stained garments of child rape victims or something. (Gah, people probably do that.). Beyond this one crazy man, who is crazy, and has the money to indulge in his insanity (all the while “support our troops” …fucking hell, what did he think they were doing 70 years ago! moron.).

    It’s the idea that there is a commercial trade in what should be sacred items of reverence b/c survival against all odds. I can’t even.

  65. 65.

    Mnemosyne

    June 13, 2017 at 1:12 pm

    @LAO:

    There’s been some interesting stuff written about the Stanford Prison Experiment lately. It was much more staged and planned out than the experimenter ever admitted publicly.

    The “guards” did not spontaneously decide to mistreat the “prisoners.” They were directed to do it by an authority figure, which is much more to the actual point, but not something that authority figure was comfortable admitting he’d done.

  66. 66.

    rikyrah

    June 13, 2017 at 1:14 pm

    THE RACHEL MADDOW SHOW 6/12/17
    Sessions’ Russian meetings still a mystery
    Rachel Maddow explains what is still unknown about Attorney General Jeff Sessions’ meetings with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak, and Sessions’ violation of his own recusal from matters dealing with Russia or the 2016 campaign.

  67. 67.

    ? Martin

    June 13, 2017 at 1:15 pm

    @MoxieM: The people aren’t different, rather the institutions and the culture is. And that’s my point. The US has this enduring optimism that we are individually well equipped to regulate our own behavior, and Nazi Germany shows that no, we aren’t – at all. We need the cultural and institutional safeguards. What’s more, conservatives believe in the need for those safeguards when applied to non-Americans, non-whites, non-Christians, and non-males, but not to white Christian men, which Betty’s post illustrates extremely clearly.

  68. 68.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 13, 2017 at 1:15 pm

    @MoxieM:

    Talk to a modern German about what they’ve learned in school and internalized about the Holocaust and WWII, autocratic rulers, and the necessity for democratic process and you’ll be surprised.

    And talk to a rural German and they’ll wonder what all the fuss is about.

  69. 69.

    The Moar You Know

    June 13, 2017 at 1:21 pm

    To me, the Nazis are fascinating because the rank and file citizenry then were fundamentally no different than those in Germany now, yet somehow they allowed themselves to behave in a fundamentally different way.

    @? Martin: If circumstances were the same, it would play out the same way today.

    That suggests to me that any population is similarly vulnerable to this including the US.

    True. See Rwanda, etc.

    Understanding why that happened is particularly important to guard against it repeating.

    It just did in November 2016. I do not say that lightly. It’s not “repeating”, the process has wholly repeated. What comes next is at the whim of the guy in charge.

    That said, while I find it fascinating, my distaste of it only grows the more I learn.

    I was introduced to Nazism through comic books as a kid, like most people in America of a certain age, and that would have been the end of it save that while in college I fell down the rabbit hole of what is called “social psychology” – the Milgram experiments and that sort of thing. After I got out with my degree in said subject, I started buying up a lot of history books. I don’t say it lightly when I say the buildup to today’s de facto fascist government and voter base couldn’t have been stopped after Bush got placed into office in 2000. At that point, we just kissed our last firewall against fascism – the strict observation of the rule of law – goodbye. Replaced by partisan politics as the ultimate arbiter of right versus wrong. It’s not a system of government I want to live under, but here we are.

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    MoxieM

    June 13, 2017 at 1:24 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Some of ’em yeah. More east, more south, for sure. Best not to generalize. :/ My point stands though. The effort has been made, it’s in the curriculum, and the laws. And, to Martin’s point about culture, well, as a card-carrying sociologist, I’d have to say you can’t really separate that from the people in any meaningful way. For certain, it’s a mixed bag. But if you look at what’s happened to AfD, it’s an illustrative case. It certainly all makes for interesting dinner-table conversations, though (there, I mean.)

  71. 71.

    Betty Cracker

    June 13, 2017 at 1:27 pm

    @Kay: Could be, but the feds have shut down some pretty dim bulbs on the strength of some pretty sketchy and unrealistic plans to blow shit up for al Qaeda. I just want would-be mass murderers held to a common standard! :)

  72. 72.

    TenguPhule

    June 13, 2017 at 1:27 pm

    @Stan:

    What exactly is going on here? Why do we think nazis aren’t bad guys?

    Rooting for the Empire.

    They know the Nazis were evil, that’s why they’re so drawn to them.

  73. 73.

    Matt McIrvin

    June 13, 2017 at 1:28 pm

    @ruemara: Not entirely true. If you talk to, say, Dick Cheney or Steve Bannon, they’ll willingly embrace at least the machinery and terminology of evil–if only fictional evil. “Darkness”, “the Dark Side”, and they always emphasize that it’s power that the Dark Side gives them. They see themselves as mustache-twirling villains and are proud of it. Now, they’ll say that it’s all for the greater good in some wider sense. But there’s no mistaking what really interests them.

  74. 74.

    Mnemosyne

    June 13, 2017 at 1:30 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    My favorites are still the guys who were totally going to blow up the Sears Tower using the money they’d earn running a head shop, only they could never agree on who was actually going to run the head shop if they managed to get around to buying one. Which they never did.

    Poor bastards are probably still in jail and will be for another 20 years.

  75. 75.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 13, 2017 at 1:31 pm

    @MoxieM: AfD certainly demonstrates that it’s hard to get a party off the ground with nothing but all trolling, all the time. The alt-right kiddies here demonstrate how it’s much simpler to just take over parts of an established party instead.

    @MoxieM: Yes, it was a generalization, just saying that it hasn’t stuck to the degree indicated in what I was responding to.

  76. 76.

    NorthLeft12

    June 13, 2017 at 1:31 pm

    @BBA: @BBA:

    Russell would be confined with an electronic monitor to his grandmother’s house in Orlando. . . . His mother and grandmother must co-sign for his bail, help Russell abide by the conditions of his release, and agree to forfeit his grandmother’s Orlando home if he flees.

    So this judge, besides being a Nazi lover, appears to have a grudge against women. Surprise, surprise, surprise!

    What judge and/or prosecutor would propose or agree to this kind of arrangement is beyond me. Where is his father and grandfather or brothers and what are they giving up to secure this yahoo’s release?

  77. 77.

    NorthLeft12

    June 13, 2017 at 1:42 pm

    @ruemara:

    But evil always sees itself as good. They can’t perceive that what they do is wrong to other folks.

    I’ll disagree with you on the “always” part. I think the truly deluded that you are referring to are a very small minority. I think the great majority of those people are aware what they are doing is wrong and evil on a number of levels, but they rationalize that what they are doing is necessary for the good of the society, or the rewards they receive are worth it. Why do you think all those SS and concentration camp guards took off their uniforms and hid out? Regular German army personnel did not do that.

  78. 78.

    TenguPhule

    June 13, 2017 at 1:50 pm

    @The Moar You Know:

    I don’t say it lightly when I say the buildup to today’s de facto fascist government and voter base couldn’t have been stopped after Bush got placed into office in 2000. At that point, we just kissed our last firewall against fascism – the strict observation of the rule of law – goodbye.

    This this this. When even torture was not punished by Bush and Cheney’s heads on platters, we were always going to end up here eventually.

  79. 79.

    Kathleen

    June 13, 2017 at 2:05 pm

    @Chyron HR: You referring to CouldaWouldaStock?

  80. 80.

    Citizen Alan

    June 13, 2017 at 2:06 pm

    @LAO:

    The Milgram experiment is perhaps more on topic. It was actually designed to figure out what it was about Germans that made them more susceptible to authoritarianism. And then I quickly found out that Americans were every bit as susceptible as Germans were

  81. 81.

    LAO

    June 13, 2017 at 2:13 pm

    @Citizen Alan: Agreed. It’s been a long time since I took a psychology course. I confused my social psychology experiments.

  82. 82.

    LAO

    June 13, 2017 at 2:16 pm

    @NorthLeft12:

    So this judge, besides being a Nazi lover, appears to have a grudge against women. Surprise, surprise, surprise!

    So an Assistant U.S. Attorney fails to meet the burden of proof re: the defendant dangerousness for pre-trial detention and this is where you go? SMH

  83. 83.

    sheila in nc

    June 13, 2017 at 2:19 pm

    @Stan:

    But the Russians were pasty white too, and we hated them for a few decades……

    At that point, the Russians were also irreligious, or at least their state was. They were also a threat to capitalism, or so the capitalists thought.

  84. 84.

    Boatboy_srq

    June 13, 2017 at 2:52 pm

    Just a reminder that prior to 9/11 a bunch of the 19 were, despite decent visibility on the FBI radar, flying small aircraft in and out of several airports in that area – where their instructors said they were obsessed with takeoffs and with flying, but landings notsomuch. FL isn’t exactly known for its ability to suss out potential risks. One more reason SRQ isn’t my local airport anymore.

    That said, there’s apparently no crime/sin/transgression that a white male can’t get away with there, or that FL won’t overlook or respond to with useless gestures. Remember the incident a couple decades ago where some Panhandle idjit took his shootin’ irons out to get him some o’them furriners what were taking over his country – and wound up shooting some nice British couple on holiday while they were stopped at a rest area? FL’s solution was – you guessed it – moar gunz, this time in the form of 24/7 FHP presence at every rest area. Which presence is now, thanks to austerity, some septuagenarian with a Wackenhut badge and a revolver – IOW a perfect target for anyone looking for a person they could overpower to get their hands on firearms.

  85. 85.

    Ivan Ivanovich Renko

    June 13, 2017 at 4:34 pm

    @Stan: Ask yourself this– just how different were the Nazis from the Confederates?

    Take away the technological and linguistic differences, and about the only real difference was that the Nazis were killing “undesirables” off wholesale in the midst of enslaving them.

    Confederates wouldn’t waste the enslaved labor by simply gassing them– better to WORK them to death; and maybe get them to produce MORE workers.

    There are statues and memorials to the Confederates all over this country.

  86. 86.

    WVm

    June 13, 2017 at 5:02 pm

    @sheila in nc:

    @Stan:

    But the Russians were pasty white too, and we hated them for a few decades……

    At that point, the Russians were also irreligious, or at least their state was. They were also a threat to capitalism, or so the capitalists thought.

    Some Russians are pasty white, and others have more than a touch of Mongol / Hun / Tartar invaders in them. Especially when you get away from Moscow and the urbanized area in the western fraction of Russia, which as a whole covers something like 10 time zones.

    Genetic testing like Ancestor.com and 23-and-me in Russia would be very interesting and different. Wonder if there’s money to be made there?

  87. 87.

    Lurking Canadian

    June 13, 2017 at 7:45 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: I have heard of, though never found, an SF short based on the same premise. It is (allegedly) written by a far future historian arguing that this “World War Two” was clearly a legendary event that should not be taken literally.

    In addition to the issues you raise, we’re supposed to believe that the victorious general was called “The One Hammer” and the leader of the “Soviet Union” was called “The Man of Steel”.

    Clearly made up. The whole thing.

    Man I wish I had the Google fu to find that story.

  88. 88.

    Scamp Dog

    June 13, 2017 at 9:11 pm

    @Lurking Canadian: I remember that story too, but I read it so long ago I’m unable to provide any hints to you, never mind coming up with the author’s name.

  89. 89.

    opiejeanne

    June 13, 2017 at 9:29 pm

    @Lurking Canadian: more like iron hewer.

  90. 90.

    JAFD

    June 14, 2017 at 9:47 am

    @Lurking Canadian:
    Good morning !

    Methinks you’re looking for
    http://squid314.livejournal.com/275614.html

    (Unpaid endorsement of ClipMate, from Thornsoft.com, clipboard extender and info manager. Knew I’d seen that commentary on Livejournal and clipped the URL, so just searched clip database for ‘livejournal’, went thru the results. Now must move that clip to the ‘Relevant’ sub-clipboard.) (Oneovdevzedaze hope to get my Linux maven friends to code a Clipmate equivalent for Linux…)

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