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You are here: Home / Foreign Affairs / Open Sessions Session Recap Thread: “… ‘Zectif PRIVIJJ!…”

Open Sessions Session Recap Thread: “… ‘Zectif PRIVIJJ!…”

by Anne Laurie|  June 14, 20174:51 am| 58 Comments

This post is in: Foreign Affairs, Open Threads, Republican Venality, Russiagate, Assholes, Ever Get The Feeling You've Been Cheated?, Fucked-up-edness, Riveted By The Sociological Significance Of It All

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It's time for America's favorite game show — "Will You Commit Perjury?!" Today, please welcome returning champion @jeffsessions! pic.twitter.com/LZL1r13J6X

— M??? ?eg?i? ?? (@MattNegrin) June 13, 2017

In addition to not being totally honest about why he met w/Kislyak, Sessions may have violated Senate ethics rules. https://t.co/hI3ZRvRp3H

— Julia Ioffe (@juliaioffe) June 13, 2017

Julia Ioffe — a Russian immigrant who has some experience in such areas — thinks that Sessions may be most fearful that, during his mid-2016 stint as Trump’s “political affairs expert”, he may have gone beyond skirting-the-ethical-line to outright-violation-of-Congressional-regulation when he opened his offices and his arms to every international dignitary willing to be seen in Trump’s company. While the two men are undoubtedly soulmates, right now Sessions needs Trump a lot more than Trump needs Sessions, if Jefferson Beauregard III is to keep his cushy job abusing the rights of uppity women, people of color who don’t know their place, young free-speech drug-defending absolutists, and all the other felons unjailed during That Black Man in the White House’s tenure. Should his Repub fellows get too agitated about Sessions’ flagrant rule-breaking, of course Trump will have no qualms whatsofekkingever throwing the Malevolent Leprechaun to the media wolves…

Burr should've slowed down that oath for Sessions, as he clearly didn't understand what it meant the last time around.

— Kevin M. Kruse (@KevinMKruse) June 13, 2017

Maybe I'm just a Yankee snob, but when a Southern politician starts talking about "mah honah," I grab my Constitution.

— Charles P. Pierce (@CharlesPPierce) June 13, 2017

Sessions pledges to answer questions “as fully as the Lord enables me," unless they involve Trump. Just so we're clear on who the lord is.

— Will Saletan (@saletan) June 13, 2017

Jeff Sessions says @alfranken asked him "A RAMBLING QUESTION." Watch the tape: He **volunteered** that he didn't communicate with Russians.

— James Hohmann (@jameshohmann) June 13, 2017

Sessions is saying he functionally recused himself "from 1st day" as AG. Yet only recused formally after caught lying to Senate re Kislyak.

— Spencer Ackerman (@attackerman) June 13, 2017

The only thing to remember is that Sessions is a bad lawyer.

— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) June 13, 2017


 

Sessions should expect a visit from the ghost of John Mitchell tonight.

— Andrea Cabral (@criticalthawt) June 13, 2017

Sen. King is *exactly* right here: Sessions is hiding behind executive privilege, even though he says he can't invoke it and Trump has not.

— Kevin M. Kruse (@KevinMKruse) June 13, 2017

Shorter Sessions: I don’t remember if I met with him. But if I did meet with him, I can definitely assure you nothing untoward happened.

— Matt Viser (@mviser) June 13, 2017

I was at the Trump's Mayflower hotel speech last April. *Everyone* knew Kislyak was there. Reporters were buzzing about it from the get-go

— Anthony Zurcher (@awzurcher) June 13, 2017

Sessions just referred to "the three meetings" after denying he remembered the third.

— Jared Yates Sexton (@JYSexton) June 13, 2017

Sessions is denying having conversations with the Russians about manipulating the election, which is not the actual question at issue.

— Spencer Ackerman (@attackerman) June 13, 2017

Things were moving too fast to keep any notes on these events, Sessions says, forgetting that Comey kept exhaustive notes.

— Kevin M. Kruse (@KevinMKruse) June 13, 2017

Reminder: There were SO many reasons why Sessions was a horrendous AG choice, but EVERY @Gop senator voted to confirm him. #complicit

— Rob Sheridan (@rob_sheridan) June 13, 2017

Sessions confirmed Comey was uncomfortable meeting President alone. He had to know it involved Russia: why else would Comey have objected?

— Adam Schiff (@RepAdamSchiff) June 13, 2017

Reading over transcripts, it's now very clear: Sessions is NOT denying he spoke to Kislyak at the Mayflower. He is saying he can't recall.

— Ken Dilanian (@KenDilanianNBC) June 13, 2017

Maybe I missed it but did Sessions offer an explanation for how he perjured himself in his answers to written questions from Judiciary Cmte

— Michael Cohen (@speechboy71) June 13, 2017

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  1. 1.

    EBT

    June 14, 2017 at 4:59 am

    Hope he spends the rest of his life in elf prison baking cookies. Fucker can bring back magic middles too.

  2. 2.

    Morzer

    June 14, 2017 at 4:59 am

    Sessions regards ethics rules in much the same way as Barbossa regarded the Pirate Code.

  3. 3.

    raven

    June 14, 2017 at 5:03 am

    Damn, this London fire looks bad.

  4. 4.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    June 14, 2017 at 5:06 am

    @raven: If there hadn’t been a car motorcycle chase, it would have lead the news here(ended up being the 2nd story, and the guy on the bike seems to have managed to lose the cops).

  5. 5.

    Betty Cracker

    June 14, 2017 at 5:18 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA & @raven: It was the lead story in the local rag. The photos — holy crap. The entire building was engulfed.

  6. 6.

    raven

    June 14, 2017 at 5:27 am

    @Betty Cracker: Yea the accounts are not good.

  7. 7.

    ThresherK

    June 14, 2017 at 5:28 am

    @raven: I am just half-awake enough to think you typed

    Damn, this looks as bad as the London fire

    Metaphorically comparing Sessions’ trstimony to the Great Fire, 351 years ago. That, too, started small and seemed containable, yet whipped itself quickly out of control owing to conditions which almost predetermined the disaster happening.

  8. 8.

    raven

    June 14, 2017 at 5:30 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: We’ve got a bad one here. A prison bus was transporting cons when, somehow, two of them broke through the cage door and killed both cops. It happened about 40 miles south of here and they broke in a house 20 miles south. One of them is from an adjacent county and people are pretty nervous.

  9. 9.

    Amir Khalid

    June 14, 2017 at 5:34 am

    I didn’t watch him testify, but the reports and analyses all say Jeffrey Beauregard Sessions No. 3 hasn’t done himself or the Trump “administration” any favours. Invocation of executive privilege where it doesn’t apply, getting caught contradicting his own previous statements, the obvious and infuriating stonewalling in response to questions … Why did he choose to testify in the first place?

  10. 10.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    June 14, 2017 at 5:40 am

    @raven: This guy was going about 130 down the freeway, he got off in DTLA and they lost him when he went into the 3rd Street tunnel.

  11. 11.

    Shalimar

    June 14, 2017 at 5:44 am

    From the Washington Post story about the Virginia primaries:

    But there was less unity among Republicans, with Stewart refusing to concede and saying he wouldn’t support Gillespie, a man he derided throughout the campaign as “Establishment Ed.”

    “There is one word you will never hear from me, and that’s ‘unity,’ ” Stewart told supporters at a restaurant in Woodbridge. “We’ve been backing down too long. We’ve been backing down too long in defense of our culture, and our heritage and our country.”

  12. 12.

    Shalimar

    June 14, 2017 at 5:47 am

    @Amir Khalid: Sessions chose to testify to clear his good name and get everything out in the open. Yes, that really was what he claimed beforehand.

  13. 13.

    NeenerNeener

    June 14, 2017 at 5:48 am

    Today is Trump’s 71st birthday, which starts the “was it a premonition or just wishful thinking?” clock for me.

  14. 14.

    Shalimar

    June 14, 2017 at 5:52 am

    @NeenerNeener: The RNC was nice enough to have a card for everyone to sign. I wished Trump well and warned him about the dangers of ketchup poisoning.

  15. 15.

    Betty Cracker

    June 14, 2017 at 5:54 am

    @Amir Khalid: I think the committee summoned him, but I’m not sure. He was evasive as heck, and it’s a neat trick to not invoke executive privilege, which would then be subject to challenge, while at the same time claiming its protection. Sessions’ strategy was similar to what Mr. Coats did last week in his turn before the committee. Angus King and Kamala Harris were asking the right question — what’s the legal justification for this? It doesn’t exist.

  16. 16.

    Amir Khalid

    June 14, 2017 at 5:56 am

    @Shalimar:
    (Facepalm.)

  17. 17.

    Betty Cracker

    June 14, 2017 at 5:57 am

    @Shalimar: Isn’t Stewart the crackpot from up nawth who is so keen to protect ouah Confederate heritage? Moron. I hope he sticks to the sentiments expressed and poisons the well for the VA GOP.

  18. 18.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 14, 2017 at 5:59 am

    My local NPR station carries (live) the BBC World Update from 5:00-6:00 every morning. Today they have covered the fire to the exclusion of all other stories. Even on the recent days of covering the U.K. election results and the London Bridge attacks, they did take time to report on other news. Not today, though. Really, really bad.

  19. 19.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 14, 2017 at 6:04 am

    @Amir Khalid:

    Jeffrey Beauregard Sessions No. 3

    His name is more quintessentially good ole boy Southren than that: It’s actually Jefferson Beauregard Sessions Three-Sticks.

  20. 20.

    Betty Cracker

    June 14, 2017 at 6:09 am

    @SiubhanDuinne: A wag on Twitter noted the appropriateness of Sessions’ “stonewalling” technique during the hearing, invoking yet another Confederate general.

    @raven: Scary! Hope the cops catch them soon.

  21. 21.

    Anya

    June 14, 2017 at 6:10 am

    The London fire seems too big. I hope the residents are safe but it looks like it’s going to be a devestating fire. The Grenfell Action Group has been blogging for years about the potential fire hazard of apartment tower engulfed in flames. People responsible for this must pay, including inspectors who ignored the warnings.

  22. 22.

    Yoda Dog

    June 14, 2017 at 6:10 am

    Really bad. Thoughts and prayers with London.

  23. 23.

    Morzer

    June 14, 2017 at 6:12 am

    Sessions certainly seemed intent on demonstrating that a man who represents himself has a fool for a client. The kindest thing you can say about his performance is that it took petulant shiftiness to a new artistic level.

  24. 24.

    Amir Khalid

    June 14, 2017 at 6:15 am

    @SiubhanDuinne:
    I stand corrected. That said, I do wonder why posh Southern families like a particular boy’s name so much that they repeat it for another two generations or perhaps more. Like Jock, JR and John Ross Ewing of Dallas. Or their fondness for ornate French-sounding names.

  25. 25.

    Millard Filmore

    June 14, 2017 at 6:16 am

    @raven: MET police say six confirmed fatalities so far.

  26. 26.

    Anya

    June 14, 2017 at 6:21 am

    @Betty Cracker: I saw the clip when the Racist Leprechaun replied to Sen. Kamala Harris’ questioning (she’s such a prosecutor) with “I’m not able to be rushed this fast. It makes me nervous,” and this is when I wished Jon Stewart was still around. CNN’s chinless sleazeball who used to work for Trump, called Sen Harris ‘Hysterical’ and Kirsten Powers Confronted him and wouldn’t let go. She kept asking him to explain how she was hysterical. He kept stammering. Of course Anderson Cooper didn’t say anything. Ugh!

  27. 27.

    Kay

    June 14, 2017 at 6:25 am

    You’re going to hear a lot on apprenticeships today but this is really the bottom line and so far it’s been true for all the Trump plans:

    Obama FY17 budget: Proposes $2 billion for apprenticeships
    Trump FY18 budget: No new money for apprenticeships

    This stuff is fake. It’s phony. It’s covered like it’s real and will actually happen but if there’s no new money behind it isn’t real.

    What they’re hoping to do is reduce worker protections and regulation around apprenticeships and then they will magically “grow” because companies will set up “apprenticeships” but it’s just a word. It’s meaningless without standards and rules.

    They could actually discredit apprenticeships because the whole point is the employee is trained in a system that assures the employer the employee is qualified- has actually learned the job. That’s why employers hire them. They don’t have to sift thru 50 applicants to find 1 they want. It’s like hiring someone with 5 (documented) years of experience over an unknown quantity. The standards are the point.

  28. 28.

    Shalimar

    June 14, 2017 at 6:25 am

    @Betty Cracker: Originally from Minnesota and started his post-secondary schooling at St. Olaf College, thus teeing up a million Golden Girls jokes.

  29. 29.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 14, 2017 at 6:26 am

    @Anya:

    There’s already a Wikipedia article (link) about the fire, which gives some comprehensive background about the building’s many problems.

  30. 30.

    Anya

    June 14, 2017 at 6:27 am

    @Anya: Here’s the exchange: https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2017/06/13/kirsten-powers-calls-out-cnn-colleague-sexist-comments-about-sen-kamala-harris/216900

  31. 31.

    Millard Filmore

    June 14, 2017 at 6:28 am

    @Millard Filmore: Someone from the insurance industry is on BBC says the external envelope is made of combustible material.

  32. 32.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 14, 2017 at 6:30 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: How do you lose somebody in a tunnel?

  33. 33.

    Anya

    June 14, 2017 at 6:31 am

    @SiubhanDuinne: OMG! It looks really bad. I can’t understand how all those problems were ignored.

  34. 34.

    trnc

    June 14, 2017 at 6:32 am

    So when JBS was caught with his hand in the cookie jar as a kid, did he convince his mom she didn’t see that? That’s my only explanation for him thinking he could lie like this as an adult.
    https://twitter.com/madagaingirl/status/874772173361217537

  35. 35.

    Kay

    June 14, 2017 at 6:33 am

    Obama wouldn’t have gotten 2 billion for apprenticeships- the proposed budget is aspirational, but “zero” is the Trump figure.

    This is another example of Ivanka’s (phony) influence as an “adviser”. This is her thing. It’s supposedly what she met with Merkel about (Germany has an apprentice system). If Ivanka doesn’t get any funding for the stuff she announces then she’s not really an “adviser” and she isn’t being taken seriously. Not only are the “apprenticeships” just the word “apprentice”, her “adviser” job is just a word too.

  36. 36.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    June 14, 2017 at 6:38 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Choppers lost track of him, they said he went into the tunnel and into a parking structure. If he went into the 3rd Street tunnel there are no parking structure entrances. There are parking structure entrances on 4th street that a chopper wouldn’t be able to see. The guy(we think) was going too fast for the ground units to keep up with him. The choppers were having trouble keeping up with him.

  37. 37.

    trnc

    June 14, 2017 at 6:38 am

    Not sure that I completely agree with Schiff here:

    Sessions confirmed Comey was uncomfortable meeting President alone. He had to know it involved Russia: why else would Comey have objected?

    Comey and Sessions should both have objected based purely on protocol. There was a great article somewhere during the W era that explained how strictly limited contact should be between DOJ and WH in order to preserve DOJ’s independence. W busted that wide open.

  38. 38.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    June 14, 2017 at 6:40 am

    @Kay: Kay, apprenticeships are a game for these people; the old man even had a game show called ‘The Apprentice’ on the TV machine. You’re right, it’s all smoke and mirrors.

  39. 39.

    Betty Cracker

    June 14, 2017 at 6:41 am

    @Anya: Ugh, I cannot abide that melon-headed creep Miller! Someone should tell him the goatee only accentuates the fact that he lacks a chin. Good for Powers for calling him out. She can be a tool sometimes, but she was righteous in that clip.

    @Kay: Amen. From what I understand, we could learn much from the way Germany handles apprenticeships, but you’re right — the Trumps will only manage to discredit the concept. I’m convinced they’re focusing on it solely because of the tie-in to the shitgibbon’s crappy TV show.

  40. 40.

    Anya

    June 14, 2017 at 6:42 am

    @Kay: In addition to attempting of destroying every prominent Obama accomplishment, he also appropriates every unknown success. Someone should start a blog documenting all the appropriation, starting with job numbers, corporate expansions deals, improvements on veterans healthcare access, etc.

  41. 41.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 14, 2017 at 6:45 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: One way in, one way out.

  42. 42.

    Kay

    June 14, 2017 at 6:47 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    Ivanka must know this. She must know that if she doesn’t get any money it’s fake- it’s feel good. That’s how it works in the private sector too. They gave her an office and a title and a staff but if she doesn’t get any funding that’s all it is- an office and a title. So far, Michelle Obama actually got more as First Lady – she got school lunch regs thru. You would think “school lunch regs” would be easy but they weren’t. There’s an entire industry that exists to sell garbage food to kids.

  43. 43.

    Anya

    June 14, 2017 at 6:49 am

    @Betty Cracker: He gives me a creep vide. The distressing part is that non of the male panalists objected. Why should it be left to a woman to object to misogyny! This is freaking 2017.

    I liked this little exchange:

    GLORIA BORGER: You’re being hysterical.

    POWERS: Yes, I’m hysterical now, for example. But, I think she was asking a lot of questions and he wasn’t being very forthcoming and I think there was a lot of frustration on the part of a lot of the senators there and it wasn’t all Democrats who were frustrated.

  44. 44.

    trnc

    June 14, 2017 at 6:50 am

    @Anya:

    In addition to attempting of destroying every prominent Obama accomplishment, he also appropriates every unknown success. Someone should start a blog documenting all the appropriation, starting with job numbers, corporate expansions deals, improvements on veterans healthcare access, etc.

    That’s an excellent idea. I could see that popping up in a lot of twitter responses. I don’t have the time, but I would read the hell out of it.

  45. 45.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 14, 2017 at 6:53 am

    @Betty Cracker:

    A wag on Twitter noted the appropriateness of Sessions’ “stonewalling” technique during the hearing, invoking yet another Confederate general.

    Ah, yes, Stonewall Jackson. I first encountered him in third grade, when we studied the Whittier poem “Barbara Frietchie”:

    “Shoot, if you must, this old gray head,
    But spare your country’s flag,” she said.

    A shade of sadness, a blush of shame,
    Over the face of the leader came;

    The nobler nature within him stirred
    To life at that woman’s deed and word:

    “Who touches a hair of yon gray head
    Dies like a dog! March on!” he said.

  46. 46.

    Kay

    June 14, 2017 at 6:54 am

    @Anya:

    Obama did set up apprentices even without the additional congressional funding because they moved money around in the Department of Labor. They were covered quite a bit in the Cleveland newspaper. They always run them thru community colleges – that’s where they take the classroom component.

    To date, the Obama administration has invested more than $300 million to deliver on President Obama’s challenge to double the number of registered apprenticeships within five years. Double and diversify, that’s the future of apprenticeship.

    The devil is in the details. If Trump reduces regs and qualify everything as an “apprenticeship” in order to get the number up the word won’t mean anything. There’s a risk there for people who take the training, too. They’re going to devote 5 years to this. It has to have value when they finish. If it has the government stamp of approval (registered) they should be able to rely on that as some indication of quality.

  47. 47.

    Kay

    June 14, 2017 at 7:02 am

    @Anya:

    Apparently I have made it my mission to expose Ivanka as a fraud but it bugs me that she was sold as some kind of consolation prize- proof that Trump is a maverick. I think the relationship between Ivanka/Kushner and Trump was misunderstood because Ivanka and Kushner wanted it misunderstood – they wanted to be perceived as serious and influential but it’s really just a nepotism hire. They have fake jobs.

  48. 48.

    Betty Cracker

    June 14, 2017 at 7:13 am

    @Kay: Pretty sure none of the Trumps were/are actually running their private sector businesses either. I mean, if you’re truly running a huge global organization with thousands of employees, wouldn’t you be missed if you decided to campaign full time for a year and a half? The difference is now we’re funding the office space for that pack of useless dilettantes.

  49. 49.

    Kay

    June 14, 2017 at 7:15 am

    @Betty Cracker:

    Apprenticeships are only one piece of the German model – this is just as important:

    The idea of codetermination, i.e. the cooperation between management and workers in decision-making, has grown in popularity lately. We review the characteristics of codetermination in Germany and ask whether it could be a role model for the UK and the US.

    They have workers on company boards. By law. It’s really pretty nifty. We have a German company here- they make commercial fasteners- and they did a presentation at the middle school on how the company works- it’s different than US companies. They sent their employees to the school for 5 consecutive days- they really invested in doing a good job with the middle schoolers- the program itself was high quality.

  50. 50.

    Kay

    June 14, 2017 at 7:20 am

    @Betty Cracker:

    They just replicate jobs that already exist. The Sec of Labor is going on the apprenticeship trip because that’s actually his job.

    “Reinventing government” was Al Gore’s job. These Ivanka/Kushner “jobs” are like tiny pieces of jobs that already exist. It’s busy work.

  51. 51.

    El Caganer

    June 14, 2017 at 7:31 am

    @Kay: This sounds an awful lot like the way ‘internships’ have been abused for years – pay people some dirt stipend to perform full-time work ’cause they’re getting all that valuable experience, y’know. Same type con, different name.

  52. 52.

    Immanentize

    June 14, 2017 at 7:45 am

    @El Caganer: There was a good Labor Board case out of New York a couple years back that found that those internships were actually es jobs that required pay.

    This threw University internship programs into question — and rightly so. The most objectionable thing colleges do, IMHO, is charge students tuition for credits ‘earned’ at internships which the school has no control over or educational interest in. It looks like theft to me.

  53. 53.

    Tenar Arha

    June 14, 2017 at 8:49 am

    @Betty Cracker: Even I noticed when Sessions responses were like he had a duty to protect the President rather than the Constitution. He’s not the WH Counsel, he’s the country’s prosecutor.

  54. 54.

    JGabriel

    June 14, 2017 at 9:43 am

    Anne Laurie @ Top:

    While the two men are undoubtedly soulmates, right now Sessions needs Trump a lot more than Trump needs Sessions …

    The lackey always needs the crime-boss more than the crime-boss needs the lackey.

  55. 55.

    Philbert

    June 14, 2017 at 10:31 am

    @Anya: He also claims objectivity. Caps mine: Miller “From my perspective, my, I would say OBJECTIVE, perspective, I mean it was — it didn’t seem like there was any effort to try to get to a real question or get to the bottom of it. She was purely out there to shout down –“

  56. 56.

    Uncle Cosmo

    June 14, 2017 at 12:26 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    I do wonder why posh Southern families like a particular boy’s name so much that they repeat it for another two generations or perhaps more.

    Subconscious acknowledgement of endemic inbreeding.

  57. 57.

    Uncle Cosmo

    June 14, 2017 at 12:45 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Have you ever heard this shaggy-dog story?

    For years the CIA and KGB circled each other like sumo wrestlers in the great contest of Cold War espionage.

    One day, in a Viennese coffeehouse, the top players in their respective agencies met for the first time, quite by accident. And discovered two astounding facts: Their sexual orientations were toward their own gender. And they were immediately, desperately, wildly attracted to one another.

    They put their heads together &, using all their skills & knowledge of their trade, devised a plan to drop out of sight & live happily every after as a couple. Soon both had disappeared from their respective services’ radars.

    But not long after the CIA tracked them to a chalet in a remote corner of Switzerland, & immediately dispatched their top man in “wet work” to dispatch, not the Russian, but the American (for fear he would compromise their activities).

    The assassin stole up to the chalet one dark night, disarmed the security system, sneaked up the stairs to the master bedroom, & pushed the door open silently to view the two former agents asleep in the king-sized bed. As he drew his long-barrelled pistol & pointed it at the American, the Russian stirred, saw the glint of starlight on the barrel, understood in a flash what was about to transpire, & threw his body over that of his beloved, shouting…

    …& if no one can reconstruct from the context just what it was he shouted, I’ll be back to provide it in an hour or so, mkay? =;^D

  58. 58.

    Uncle Cosmo

    June 14, 2017 at 2:33 pm

    @Uncle Cosmo: As promised:

    “Shoot if you must this old gay Red,
    But spare your country’s —!”

    (I leave off the final word to minimize offensiveness, which unfortunately is inextricably interwoven with the egregiously bad pun[chline].)

    Some years back I posted this (unexpurgated) on an international travel bulletin board as an experiment (which I specifically acknowledged as such). As expected, it left the vast majority of readers (including nearly all native English speakers, including Americans) puzzled and/or not especially amused. When I provided the context for the punchline, most of them agreed in a purely intellectual sense it was linguistically clever, haha, but… Which confirmed my suspicion that such “feghoots”* are even more exquisitely sensitive to shared experiences than humor in general.

    * A couple of generations back, one Reginald Bretnor (IIRC) published a number of such pleasantries, always entwined with his fictional character Ferdinand Feghoot, in the pulp magazine Fantasy & Science Fiction; shorn of its capital, the name entered the SF lexicon.

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