Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Anyone who bans teaching American history has no right to shape America’s future.

People identifying as christian while ignoring christ and his teachings is a strange thing indeed.

These are not very smart people, and things got out of hand.

Disagreements are healthy; personal attacks are not.

Let the trolls come, and then ignore them. that’s the worst thing you can do to a troll.

A democracy can’t function when people can’t distinguish facts from lies.

Nothing says ‘pro-life’ like letting children go hungry.

There are more Russians standing up to Putin than Republicans.

America is going up in flames. The NYTimes fawns over MAGA celebrities. No longer a real newspaper.

Baby steps, because the Republican Party is full of angry babies.

We’ve had enough carrots to last a lifetime. break out the sticks.

The next time the wall street journal editorial board speaks the truth will be the first.

When you’re a Republican, they let you do it.

… gradually, and then suddenly.

Republicans in disarray!

That’s my take and I am available for criticism at this time.

“In the future, this lab will be a museum. do not touch it.”

Too often we confuse noise with substance. too often we confuse setbacks with defeat.

Putting aside our relentless self-interest because the moral imperative is crystal clear.

Jack Smith: “Why did you start campaigning in the middle of my investigation?!”

DeSantis transforming Florida into 1930s Germany with gators and theme parks.

The republican ‘Pastor’ of the House is an odious authoritarian little creep.

Wow, you are pre-disappointed. How surprising.

I might just take the rest of the day off and do even more nothing than usual.

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Republican Rep. David Schweikert said in a radio interview Thursday that President Donald Trump might lack the language discipline to avoid giving the appearance of interfering in an investigation.

Schweikert said Trump may not have learned the discipline because he’s not from the “political class.” Schweikert made the comments on NPR’s “Morning Edition” during a discussion about possible obstruction of justice by Trump in the FBI’s investigation into Russia’s influence in the 2016 election…

So, Trump isn’t very adept at lying, which is the natural ‘language discipline’ of the GOP… just as a newly-weaned puppy lacks the bladder discipline not to piddle on the rug.

And the way GOP standards for their Dear Leader keep sinking, “didn’t piddle on the rug in the Oval Office” is gonna be next month’s behavioral gold star, isn’t it?

Apart from [facepalm]-ing, what’s on the agenda for the evening?

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  2. 2.

    Baud

    “didn’t piddle on the rug in the Oval Office” is gonna be next month’s behavioral gold star, isn’t it?

    Yes, but then there will be a leak proving that the gold star was prematurely awarded.

  3. 3.

    lollipopguild

    Translation: Our current President is too stupid for words so do not listen to anything he says.

  4. 4.

    Cermet

    JUST ANOTHER WAY THUGS TRY TO CREATE DOUBLE STANDARDS – WORSE, THE LOONY BASE WILL EAT IT UP!~

  5. 5.

    piratedan

    just keep fucking that chicken Rep. Dave, eventually you’ll de-bone something.

  10. 10.

    George Spiggott

    “didn’t piddle on the rug in the Oval Office”

    tRump leaves that for the underage Russian hookers.

  13. 13.

    Immanentize

    Schweikert really thinks he will be President or Vice President one day, doesn’t he? Or maybe he just wants an invite to Mar a Lago for cake.

  14. 14.

    Thoughtful David

    So, let me guess: the NPR interviewer laughed in Schweikert’s face and said “OMG, what a load of bullcovfefe you’re laying out there, Schweikert!”

    I kid, I kid.

  15. 15.

    ? ?? Goku (aka Junior G-Man) ? ?

    GOP congressman: Trump might lack the language discipline to avoid the appearance of interfering in an investigation http://

    How is one supposed to tell the difference between not having “language discipline” and actually obstructing justice?

  20. 20.

    Immanentize

    @Morzer: Man, that is the story of almost all my clients. We actually handed out those little rubber bracelets that say “I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY, I WANT A LAWYER.” No change in behavior at all. Even when we KNEW a kid was wearing one of the bracelets. The prosecutors would laugh and laugh….

  21. 21.

    trollhattan

    As of now Trump doesn’t even get a participation trophy. Sasse must be tres disappointed.

  22. 22.

    ? ?? Goku (aka Junior G-Man) ? ?

    @lollipopguild: Honestly, if the President is too stupid to fulfill the duties of the office, then maybe he should be removed. Gross incompetence should be an impeachable offense

  24. 24.

    Raoul

    A Dem friend who is closely watching the MN-03 race for 2018 sent me a link to a new GOP fundraising page. It appears to be a pretty good list of who the NRCC thinks is most vulnerable.

    Here it is, and I’ve added the Cook ratings. Interesting that the GOP is more worried about some of these “likely Rs” than Cook was on May 26 when their latest evals were published.

    Martha McSally – AZ-02 – Lean R
    Jeff Denham – CA-10 – Lean R
    David Valadao – CA-21- Likely R
    Steve Knight – CA-25 – R Toss Up
    Darrell Issa – CA-49 – R Toss Up
    Mike Coffman – CO-06 – R Toss Up
    Brian Mast – FL-18 – (not rated? aka Solid R??)
    Carlos Curbelo – FL-26 – Lean R
    Rod Blum – IA-01 – Lean R
    David Young – IA-03 – Lean R
    Bruce Poliquin – ME-02 – Likely R
    Jason Lewis – MN-02 – R Toss Up
    Erik Paulsen – MN-03 – Lean R
    Don Bacon – NE-02 – Lean R
    John Faso – NY-19 – Lean R
    Claudia Tenney – NY-22 – Likely R
    John Katko – NY-24 – Likely R
    Brian Fitzpatrick – PA-08 – Lean R
    Will Hurd – TX-23 – Lean R
    Barbara Comstock – VA-10 – R Toss Up

    Early dollars for Dem opponents in these races could make a difference. I’m gonna look around, and if nothing else, give to their D Nominee Funds

  25. 25.

    George Spiggott

    @piratedan:

    just keep fucking that chicken Rep. Dave, eventually you’ll de-bone something.

    Sounds like a cluckservative to me.

  29. 29.

    Jeffro

    Jesus, talk about “defining deviancy downward”…

    Paraphrasing something I read earlier today from Anne Lamott (who possibly got it from someone else), the GOP “…is deteriorating faster than they can lower their standards”

    Cue the #TrumpMightLack hashtag on Twitter in 3, 2, 1…

  30. 30.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    the garbage vichey times and chuck todd are blaming Sanders for the shooting, saying his “apocalyptic” language is inciting his followers.

    I only mention this cuz Sanders’ supporters foolishly and naively insisted the corporate media wouldn’t swiftboat him if he was the nominee.

  31. 31.

    ? ?? Goku (aka Junior G-Man) ? ?

    @Baud: @Mike in DC:

    It’s an impossible standard by design,I know. But holy fuck, this is white privledge on steroids! This is outrageous that the GOP is trying to brazen this out

  33. 33.

    piratedan

    @Raoul: physician Matt Heinz has announced that he’s running against Martha McSally again in AZ 02.

    I think she can be had… she keeps trying to pass herself off as a moderate, but her AHCA stance (and the “fuck it, lets vote on it anyway” shananigans) and the fact that the Trump administration has done fuck all for vets could really be leveraged here.

  37. 37.

    Jeffro

    Mark Salter on Twitter: “Words I never thought I’d say: the security of the United States might now depend on electing a Democratic Congress in 2018”

    YeeOWch!

  38. 38.

    Immanentize

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: OT (at least political-wise). My FIL gave me a medium format camera he used to use for nature shots. It’s been in the closet for years. You have inspired me to take it out and see what happens. Thank you.

  40. 40.

    Baud

    @Jeffro: That’s great and all, but many of us easily recognized that the security of the United States depended on electing Hillary Clinton. Where was Mark then?

  44. 44.

    Baud

    @Jeffro: Of course. I don’t know who he is, but if he’s telling people to elect Dems, I’m not going to stand in his way.

  47. 47.

    randy khan

    So is the new defense that he has no idea he’s obstructing justice and that he just says strange things or that he hasn’t learned how to obstruct justice without making it obvious?

  48. 48.

    jl

    Very few people have a mind like Trump’s. Trump said so himself in several interviews. I think that is very true. Not fake news at all. His mind is unique.

  50. 50.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Baud: This is from about a year ago, but IIRC he stayed consistent right up to 11/9

    A former top aide to Sen. John McCain says he will support Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump in November as both candidates appear close to locking down their parties’ nominations.
    Mark Salter was for years McCain’s closest aide, serving as strategist, speechwriter, Senate chief of staff and biographer to the 2008 Republican presidential nominee. But now, Salter says he’ll break with the Republican Party if it nominates Trump and vote for Clinton instead.

    the gap between flacks and electeds remains remarkable to me.

  53. 53.

    D58826

    This isn’t hard – ‘best to keep ones mouth shut and be thought a fool rather than opening it and remove all doubt’

  54. 54.

    Immanentize

    @randy khan: I think the new defense is that German is his original language and this Englische Sprache is too hard to get a handle on.

  56. 56.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    RICHMOND, Va. — Ed Gillespie’s shocking near-defeat in the Virginia GOP primary for governor.

    The former Republican National Committee chairman Ed Gillespie was expected to win handily, thanks to broad support among the party’s elected leaders and a massive fundraising edge, but instead won by an uncomfortably close single percentage point against Corey Stewart, who tied his campaign to defending Confederate monuments.

    #EconomicAnxiety

  57. 57.

    D58826

    @jl:

    His mind is unique.

    Well I guess the of us can be thankful that there are no other brains like that running around unsupervised.

  61. 61.

    Corner Stone

    @rikyrah: Trump’s ignorant ass lawyer telling them all they did not need a lawyer was their signal. This should be like the klaxon blaring before the ship hits an iceberg.

  65. 65.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    @Baud: no. and what’s worst, Chuckles and the garbage Vichy times gave Trump a free pass on his direct calls for violence.

  67. 67.

    SatanicPanic

    Even Republican representatives Paul Ryan and David Schweiker admit that Trump is, ignorant, unprepared and unready for the job.

  68. 68.

    Chyron HR

    @Baud:

    I’m not sure what “apocalyptic” rhetoric they are referring to.

    Just look at a transcript of any of his debates with X-Factor.

  69. 69.

    Redshift

    Schweikert said Trump may not have learned the discipline because he’s not from the “political class.”

    I could have sworn that politicians weren’t the only ones who could commit obstruction of justice, but if Schweikert wants to assert that the “political class” are so prone to committing crimes that they have to learn how not to do it, who am I to argue?

  71. 71.

    Mnemosyne

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:

    the garbage vichey times and chuck todd are blaming Sanders for the shooting, saying his “apocalyptic” language is inciting his followers.

    Oh, FFS. I get annoyed with Sanders’ language not because it’s violent, but because he can’t stop reflexively bashing Democrats. But to claim that his anodyne calls for “revolution” caused the shooting is really stupid.

    Here’s a thought: maybe we should stop letting people charged with domestic violence have guns because the vast majority of mass shooters have a history of domestic violence. That had way more influence on the guy’s actions than anything Bernie said.

  76. 76.

    PPCLI

    The problem isn’t his lack of language discipline, it’s his lack of “not firing the guy investigating me for obviously bullshit reasons” discipline.

  77. 77.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @JPL: yeah, the “B” in Bourgeoisie might as well be backwards– I suspect anyone who really used those terms would know to pick the adjective, not the noun, and would be campaigning against the treacherous Blue Dog sell-out Ossoff

  78. 78.

    Roger Moore

    @debbie:
    This is easy to understand. We are individuals, while They are a monolith. When right wing people commit violence, they’re crazed lone wolves whose violence is completely divorced from their politics; when left wing people commit violence, they’re doing it because of their hateful ideology. If that’s the lens through which you see the world, you can easily think that only liberals are committing political violence. It’s the same worldview that lets them ignore all the white Christians committing mass murder while focusing on the occasional Muslim who does.

  79. 79.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    @Peale: todd. the corporate media gave trump a free pass as well as billions in aid and comfort.

    Donald Trump rode $5.6 billion in free media to the White House, according to data from tracking firm mediaQuant.

    The naifs and idiots who say money doesn’t matter cuz clinton outspent trump never account for the billions in kind donations he received from the corporate media.

  80. 80.

    Cacti

    Between the Portland stabber and the DC shooter, do any friends of Wilmer still want to argue that his “revolution” wasn’t one of white male resentment and entitlement?

    And no, “Think of all the Wilmer friends who haven’t shot or stabbed someone” isn’t a compelling argument. At the moment, I see one candidate left whose supporters haven’t gotten shooty or stabby, and it isn’t one of the shouty white dudes.

  82. 82.

    SatanicPanic

    @Cacti: every now and then I think the Bernie hate on this blog goes a bit too far. This seems like one of those times.

  83. 83.

    Karen

    @debbie: a friend, who has doctorate in biology, once compared humans to an invasive weed; the white ones are toxic

  84. 84.

    scav

    So, he has All the words, All the Best Words, but they’re all just totally off the leash and running screaming about at top speed, ignoring all prior definitions or conventions as to sentence structure or grammatical logic because only Politicians require or bother with such technical nonsense, whereas businessmen chuck such stultifying crap out while on the road to success and greatness.

  85. 85.

    Major Major Major Major

    @Mnemosyne:

    maybe we should stop letting people charged with domestic violence have guns

    Unfortunately, having a gun is currently a constitutional right. Merely being charged with something isn’t enough to strip somebody of a right.

  86. 86.

    Mnemosyne

    @JPL:

    I like the guy in the replies posting links to stories about American right-wingers faking attacks. So far, the only comparable story that a right-wing whiner dug up happened in Germany.

  88. 88.

    LurkerNoLonger

    @lamh36:

    NBCNews has learned the president of the United States is now under criminal investigation,”

    That’s because he’s a criminal.

  89. 89.

    Chyron HR

    @SatanicPanic:

    As a historical note to anyone who might be reading this thread in the far future, this comment was posted less than a week after the senator from Vermont held a literal weekend-long Comic-Con style convention devoted entirely to trashing the Democratic party.

  91. 91.

    JPL

    @Mnemosyne: Dave on his feed said that he saw something similar in MS, which is why he questioned it right away.
    Aren’t you suppose to be celebrating.

  92. 92.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    @Cacti: I thought it was grievance, as opposed to resentment. But it was definitely aimed at reagan whites, at the expense of existing loyal democratic voters.

    One cause for concern, Sanders explained to Schultz, was seeing many white, working-class voters in “low-income states” like Georgia, Alabama and South Carolina voting against their own best interest.

    “These are guys getting hung up on gay marriage issues,” Sanders told Schultz. “They’re getting hung up on abortion issues. And it is time we started focusing on the economic issues that bring us together: Defending Social Security, defending Medicare, making sure that Medicaid is not cut, that veterans’ programs are not cut.”

  94. 94.

    Morzer

    @JPL:

    Definitely wingnut spelling and rhetoric. It’s like someone took a Breitbart comment and changed a couple of words to Handel the issue.

  96. 96.

    debbie

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:

    the garbage vichey times and chuck todd are blaming Sanders for the shooting, saying his “apocalyptic” language is inciting his followers

    Did they balance their blame-laying by referencing Trump’s “American Carnage” Inaugural speech?

  102. 102.

    Mnemosyne

    @JPL:

    I’m still at work for another 90 minutes. ?

    At least my boss is on vacation this week, so I don’t have to work very hard.

  111. 111.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:

    “Getting hung up on” means they hate “those people”. He’s dismissive of intersectionality. He’s dismissing real people’s rights to first class citizenship, like he’s dismissive of basically all criticisms of him. Wilmer did not incite the violence done by these two angry white men with guns who were all in on his rhetoric, but he’s been totally divisive, self serving and completely irresponsible about owning what he’s created – a cult instead of reaching out to create allies to defeat Trump. His hanging on for all those weeks after he had any chance of the nom was the tell about his ability to do the right thing for the country. He and Trump are both toxic narcissists that way.

  114. 114.

    japa21

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: Sanders is wrong on two counts.
    1. The Dems have been focusing on those economic issues. But proving they can walk and chew gum at the same time, they are also able to focus on others issues. Clinton, for example, was very focused on the economic issues.
    2. In those states, the white voter is not voting against their interests. Their interest is basically keeping non-whites and women in the place God meant them to be, which is below the white man.

  115. 115.

    Cacti

    @SatanicPanic:

    every now and then I think the Bernie hate on this blog goes a bit too far. This seems like one of those times.

    Maybe his angry, pale, male followers should stop killing people.

  117. 117.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    @Mnemosyne: the hilarious and telling part is once he got blown out in the southern primaries he started to complain that southern states don’t matter cuz you can’t win them in the fall and their status rigged the system against him.

    The Southern-fried primary is unfair: Column – USA Today

    Sanders says Southern primaries ‘distort reality’

    Apr 14, 2016 – Bernie Sanders told “Nightly Show” host Larry Wilmore at a taping Wednesday evening that scheduling Southern states early in the Democratic …

    Sanders Dismisses the Deep South – The New York Times

    Apr 18, 2016 – In general, the Southern states that Sanders says “distort reality” have some of the highest percentages of African-Americans in the country.

    What’s Wrong With Bernie Sanders’s Strategy | The Nation
    …. But Sanders himself continues to minimize Clinton’s Southern wins, …

    Southern Democrats to Bernie Sanders: Quit dissing us

    eta: you never saw Obama dismiss a state he lost.

  118. 118.

    Mnemosyne

    @eclare:

    Was thinking similarly on the way home, kids don’t have the right to be safe in school.

    Yep. Only gun owners have constitutional rights that cannot be infringed. Even free speech has to bow before the 2nd Amendment, because doctors are barred by law from asking their patients if they have a gun in the house and advising them to take safety precautions.

  119. 119.

    Major Major Major Major

    @japa21: point 2 gets to something that always bothered me about that phrase. “Voting against their interests.” As if tribalism and hate don’t make them feel good, and feeling good isn’t in their interests. They’re not fools, they’re assholes.

  124. 124.

    eclare

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: I took great offense to that, as a resident of a traitor state. Proudly voted for Hillary in the primary (as did the overwhelming majority in my blue oasis). Those quotes came out later, after March 15, never been so sure I made the right choice.

  125. 125.

    Cacti

    @Major Major Major Major:

    point 2 gets to something that always bothered me about that phrase. “Voting against their interests.” As if tribalism and hate don’t make them feel good, and feeling good isn’t in their interests. They’re not fools, they’re assholes.

    Racism and bigotry is very much in their interest. The reason they hated Obama so much is that his election and re-election forced them to confront their imagined superiority.

  126. 126.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    @SatanicPanic:

    You know, there’s a ton of online harrassment – tweeting nooses to women and PoC, calling women whores, etc. They’re going after Joy Reid and Kamala Harris now. It’s not all bots – it’s toxic Berniebroism white male resentment targeting the groups that didn’t support Bernie. If they’re still all obsessed with retconning the primaries instead of focusing on defeating Trump, it’s a cult, and we know what cultists are capable of.

  128. 128.

    Morzer

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:

    If we are going to talk about people committing politics during a primary, perhaps we should take a look back at how some people were opining in 2008 that a certain candidate had a problem with white blue-collar voters.

    Politics is a contact sport, so let’s not get all sanctimonious about one candidate’s utterances while conveniently forgetting the sins of others.

  130. 130.

    TenguPhule

    @Immanentize:

    We actually handed out those little rubber bracelets that say “I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY, I WANT A LAWYER.”

    Perhaps you should try to have rich five year olds hire you as lawyers instead?

  131. 131.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: Jon Fuglesang, whom I like when the subject is not Wilmer, and who still waxes self-righteously about the two parties being too much alike, said the other day that Joe Biden was Obama’s “Impeachment insurance” because he knew the R’s didn’t want a “real liberal”. The guy who not only voted for the Iraq War, but bragged about teaming up with McCain to write the AUMF, who (co) wrote the ’94 crime bill, who protected Clarence Thomas, who was one of the defenders of the filibuster because Senate Tradition and My Good Friends, the Senator from MBNA who (co) wrote the ’05 bankruptcy bill… et cetera.

    I knew most Berners and EmoProgs were more about affect than substance, but that caught me off guard.

  132. 132.

    TenguPhule

    @Mnemosyne:

    It’s still bizarre to me that a complete stranger can murder me because I don’t have a constitutional right to stop him from buying the weapon he killed me with.

    You are expected to defend yourself by preemptively murdering them first.

    /I wish this was more joke then reality, but jokes have to make sense.

  135. 135.

    NoraLenderbee

    Can we please quit refighting the primary? Sanders lost. Clinton got more votes (just as in the general). It’s over.

  136. 136.

    japa21

    @Major Major Major Major: And that was what was wrong with the premise of the book about what was wrong with Kansas. It focused on on the voter’s economic interests. But these voters view the way for their economic life to improve is to keep certain people on the outs. It isn’t GOP policies that have caused them problems, it is those damn Dems giving away stuff to “those people”. Stop that from happening and their life will improve. And the GOP happily tells them they are correct.

  137. 137.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    @Morzer: I wasn’t sanctimonious, to the contrary, I was being acerbic with cynical realism.

    cyn·i·cal ˈsinək(ə)l/

    1. distrustful of human sincerity or integrity.

  138. 138.

    Major Major Major Major

    @Mnemosyne: whoa, hey, it’s not “my side”, this just happens to be the current flawed interpretation of our flawed constitution, and I’m defending the fact that the constitution as interpreted at any time by SCOTUS is the supreme law of the land.

  140. 140.

    TenguPhule

    @Cacti:

    do any friends of Wilmer still want to argue that his “revolution” wasn’t one of white male resentment and entitlement?

    Not a friend but I will point out that Hawaii went for him and whites are a definite minority here.

    Private sector workers are hurting bad because cost of living is rising faster then pay.

    Sanders message reached, Hillary Clinton’s didn’t. We tend to get ignored by most campaigns here, but the Sanders volunteers put in ten times the visible effort that Clinton’s did locally.

  141. 141.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Bloomberg View‏Verified account
    Trump is blowing the economic opportunity of a generation, says @ ritholtz

    hee hee

  142. 142.

    Mnemosyne

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    Also, too — I realize it’s no longer up for debate and random assholes can murder me because I don’t have the right to stop them from buying the murder weapon.

    But I’m never going to stop pointing out that the people who want themselves and their children to not be murdered have been told that they don’t have any right to demand that.

  144. 144.

    Mnemosyne

    @Morzer:

    perhaps we should take a look back at how some people were opining in 2008 that a certain candidate had a problem with white blue-collar voters

    And yet that person campaigned hard for her opponent, accepted a subordinate position inside the administration, and enthusiastically supported him and all of his policies.

    If she had stood outside the party and thrown rocks at everyone after she lost the 2008 primary, then there would be a point of comparison.

    ETA: The people in 2017 who seem unaware that politics are a contact sport are not the ones who voted for the Democrat in November.

  145. 145.

    TenguPhule

    @Mnemosyne:

    the people who want themselves and their children to not be murdered have been told that they don’t have any right to demand that.

    You still have that right. It’s just that the people currently in power don’t care about it.

    Yes, I know that’s not comforting at all. But we can still strive for better accuracy!

  147. 147.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    @KithKanan:

    I said I don’t accuse him of inciting violence, but I do accuse him of carelessness and irresponsibility in creating a following that engages in harrassment as a matter of course. Like parents who leave their teenage sons home alone with a full liquor cabinet and keys to the car.

  148. 148.

    Mnemosyne

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Then I will repeat myself: the law is an ass.

    And extend it: Jim Crow was the law of the land, too, until a group of brave people decided to challenge it at the risk of their own lives.

  149. 149.

    TenguPhule

    @Mnemosyne:

    And yet that person campaigned hard for her opponent, accepted a subordinate position inside the administration, and enthusiastically supported him and all of his policies.

    I do recall “sick and tired of discussing your emails!” at the first match as a gesture from Sanders.

    And later speaking on her behalf once she was the nominee.

  150. 150.

    Mnemosyne

    @NoraLenderbee:

    Sanders lost. Clinton got more votes (just as in the general)

    Part of the reason we keep having the same fights over and over again is that the Sanders dead-enders refuse to admit he lost fair and square.

  153. 153.

    TenguPhule

    @Mnemosyne:

    Jim Crow was the law of the land, too, until a group of brave people decided to challenge it at the risk of their own lives.

    Better people, better government.

  156. 156.

    TenguPhule

    @Major Major Major Major:

    all I was saying was you don’t strip constitutional rights for years on the basis of a crime accusation

    Which is why the SC nominee was so important. Its an open secret that SC Is completely compromised now with Kennedy’s impartiality little more then a joke after Bush v. Gore.

  157. 157.

    different-church-lady

    @Cacti: I am not going along with the particulars of your rant, but I will again make an observation I have made here a few times before:

    Both Sanders and Trump play the politics of resentment. But Trump plays it from the Dark Side, and Sanders plays it from the Light.

    Either way, it’s not something to be dallied with.

  158. 158.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @TenguPhule: I do recall “sick and tired of discussing your emails!” at the first match as a gesture from Sanders.

    Was that the same debate where Chuck Todd gave him the idea that WALL STREET SPEECHES were the greatest sin ever perpetrated against the People and the Republic, or was that the second debate?

  159. 159.

    SatanicPanic

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne: you don’t have to convince me that his fans are obnoxious. Here’s my issue- America is truly in crisis right now. Do we want to establish that everyone who points that out is possibly inciting violence? Id rather not.

  160. 160.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    @Mnemosyne:

    you’re saying that that’s the only argument you have for your side.

    Yes, and there’s no argument. It’s black letter law.

    I’m not arguing the need for gun control, but as it stands in current law, you have right to own a firearm.

  163. 163.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    @Mnemosyne: That change required a Civil War to change(and never really changed completely), are you willing to go that far to repeal the 2nd Amendment?(Got confused on Court rulings, my bad.) Sure start a movement to repeal the 2nd Amendment, I’m good with that.

  164. 164.

    TenguPhule

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: And this can’t be changed within the system without five uncompromised SC justices and a working Senate and house majority along with an executive branch willing to take an ACA level risk to do it.

    That’s the only legal remedy.

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    Karen

    @debbie: I always thought invasive weed was better, since pestilence doesn’t give you the mind picture of something that comes in, takes over, kills competition and nearly impossible to get rid of. When he first told me humans were a weed species I had to have him explain why; he also includes mammals such as white tail deer.

  170. 170.

    Karen

    @eclare: a weed is simply a plant growing where you don’t want it, many of what we think of as weeds were once planted and “escaped”

  172. 172.

    frosty

    @Mnemosyne: Happy belated Birthday and especially Happy In’n’Out! They brought their “food truck” (an 18-wheeler) to my college reunion last month. I begged them to bring it east.

  174. 174.

    jharp

    “Since Pence probably pays his bills”

    I’m not that sure about that. Pence doesn’t have any money so to speak.

    Does anyone know who is paying for Pence’s lawyer and how much it would cost?

  175. 175.

    Morzer

    @jharp:

    Given Pence’s endless capacity for mendacity, I would suggest that his lawyers demand a deposit upfront. Perhaps one of the Trump cancer charities could help.

  176. 176.

    momus

    If Trump had only paid attention in those ESL classes, he might speak English as well as a Mexican.

  177. 177.

    No Drought No More

    At this point, Trump might as well imitate mafia boss Chin Gigante and commence to stumble around in public wearing his pajamas, to better enable him to plead incapacity to stand trial come the day he is ultimately charged with his high crimes..

    It’s also easy to picture Trump as Gene Wildler in The Producers (without any of Wilder’s humor, charm, or humanity, of course), muttering over and over to himself: “no way out, no way out, no way out..”.

    And he’s right, there isn’t.

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    Uncle Cosmo

    @jharp: No worries. Fundanazi MAGAchurches across the country will hold bake sales every week to cover his legal fees. He is, after all, one of their own…

  179. 179.

    jonas

    Soooo — riddle me this, salt-of-the-earth, real ‘Muricans™ who voted for Trump: Supposedly he was this sooper-genius businessman billionaire who was going to show all these lame-o politicians how it’s done! But now we need to make all these excuses for Trump because he’s apparently too stupid to understand how not to indict himself for treason and step on his own dick on a daily basis.

    Please to explain? I’m a coastal elite, so I obviously don’t understand these sophisticate nuances that y’all are used to.

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