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You are here: Home / Balloon Juice / Readership Capture / Breakin’ the law?

Breakin’ the law?

by DougJ|  June 30, 201710:51 am| 153 Comments

This post is in: Readership Capture, Blogospheric Navel-Gazing

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I have close to zero interest in most things Joe-and-Mike related but I’m curious to know if this kind of thing is legal (if true, which it certainly it is). Is it?

“We got a call that, ‘Hey, the National Enquirer is going to run a negative story against you guys…’ And they said, ‘If you call the president up, and you apologize for your coverage, then he will pick up the phone and basically spike this story,” Scarborough said.

Scarborough didn’t name names, but he said “three people at the very top of the administration” called him about this.

“The calls kept coming and kept coming, and they were like ‘Call. You need to call. Please call. Come on, Joe. Just pick up the phone and call him.'”

In other words, grovel to the president and he’ll make the mean story disappear.

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  1. 1.

    ? Martin

    June 30, 2017 at 10:54 am

    Hard to say. I think blackmail requires some demand for a real asset. I’m not sure the courts could attach a monetary value to an apology.

    However, it clearly is an abuse of power of the Office of the President and should serve as grounds for impeachment.

  2. 2.

    dopey-o

    June 30, 2017 at 10:54 am

    “When you’re rich and famous, they let you do it.”

  3. 3.

    quakerinabasement

    June 30, 2017 at 10:56 am

    Sounds similar to blackmail. Which is NOT legal.

  4. 4.

    JPL

    June 30, 2017 at 10:57 am

    @? Martin: hahahahhaha

  5. 5.

    acallidryas

    June 30, 2017 at 10:59 am

    I don’t have any comments about the legality, but I want to see more stories of Trump groveling for attention from famous people. We know they exist!

  6. 6.

    Keith G

    June 30, 2017 at 11:01 am

    There was a time when this would be the lead story in all TV networks.

  7. 7.

    Bruce K

    June 30, 2017 at 11:04 am

    Well, under New York Penal Law, section 135.60:

    A person is guilty of coercion in the second degree when he or she
    compels or induces a person to engage in conduct which the latter has a
    legal right to abstain from engaging in, or to abstain from engaging in
    conduct in which he or she has a legal right to engage, or compels or
    induces a person to join a group, organization or criminal enterprise
    which such latter person has a right to abstain from joining, by means
    of instilling in him or her a fear that, if the demand is not complied
    with, the actor or another will:
    1. Cause physical injury to a person; or
    2. Cause damage to property; or
    3. Engage in other conduct constituting a crime; or
    4. Accuse some person of a crime or cause criminal charges to be
    instituted against him or her; or
    5. Expose a secret or publicize an asserted fact, whether true or
    false, tending to subject some person to hatred, contempt or ridicule;
    or
    6. Cause a strike, boycott or other collective labor group action
    injurious to some person’s business; except that such a threat shall not
    be deemed coercive when the act or omission compelled is for the benefit
    of the group in whose interest the actor purports to act; or
    7. Testify or provide information or withhold testimony or information
    with respect to another’s legal claim or defense; or
    8. Use or abuse his or her position as a public servant by performing
    some act within or related to his or her official duties, or by failing
    or refusing to perform an official duty, in such manner as to affect
    some person adversely; or
    9. Perform any other act which would not in itself materially benefit
    the actor but which is calculated to harm another person materially with
    respect to his or her health, safety, business, calling, career,
    financial condition, reputation or personal relationships.
    Coercion in the second degree is a class A misdemeanor.

    Full article for reference.

    I don’t think that what the cheeto administration did rises to first-degree coercion (which is a D felony), but the Constitution does have something to say about misdemeanors in Article 2, Section 4…

  8. 8.

    rikyrah

    June 30, 2017 at 11:04 am

    Trump Plans Giveaways to His Buddy Putin
    by Nancy LeTourneau
    June 30, 2017 8:10 AM

    ………………………….

    Not only is Trump ignoring the cyber threat, he is considering the possibility of returning two diplomatic compounds to Putin—the very ones that Obama ordered vacated in response to Russia’s interference in the election.

    Trying to follow any logic associated with Trump’s behavior is a fool’s errand. He just went on a Twitter tirade last week about how Obama did nothing in response to Russia’s behavior. Simultaneously, he was asking his national security staff to propose “deliverables” he could give to Putin, including the reversal of what Obama did in response to Russia’s behavior. This is precisely why I never assume that there is any method to the madness of his Twitter tirades. They are simply the rantings of someone with no impulse control.

    The overall idea that this president is looking for deliverables to propose in his first meeting with Putin, while asking nothing in return, is remarkable. The two words that come to mind to describe it are (1) stupid and (2) guilty.

    A competent strategist would find a way to at least appear neutral about Russia (if not a bit aggressive) in order to diminish the appearance of collusion. Trump isn’t even trying. That’s what makes him look guilty. During a time when we know that Russia mounted their most aggressive attempt to undermine our democracy, this president is considering giveaways to the guy who orchestrated it all. Why else would he do that unless Putin had something on him? I don’t know about you, but I can’t come up with any other justification.

    If Trump set out to prove himself guilty, I can’t imagine how he could do a better job than this.

  9. 9.

    catclub

    June 30, 2017 at 11:05 am

    I thought the point to the story was that it ended up with no apology and no story running, so it was the usual empty threat.

  10. 10.

    different-church-lady

    June 30, 2017 at 11:06 am

    A certain Robert Mueller’s ears are burning at the moment…

  11. 11.

    germy

    June 30, 2017 at 11:07 am

    @rikyrah:

    Trump Plans Giveaways to His Buddy Putin

    Alaska!

  12. 12.

    scav

    June 30, 2017 at 11:07 am

    It basically seems to be additional information about just what their price is, now being narrowed from both directions. They apparently were just fine with this behavior until at some point it got a little too close to the knuckle and personal plus they could see the value (and safety in numbers) of being somewhat opposed to the Donald.

  13. 13.

    zach

    June 30, 2017 at 11:08 am

    Not a lawyer, but I’d guess it might break one of these two parts of US law:

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/part-I/chapter-41

    18 U.S. Code Chapter 41 – EXTORTION AND THREATS

    Whoever, being an officer, or employee of the United States or any department or agency thereof, or representing himself to be or assuming to act as such, under color or pretense of office or employment commits or attempts an act of extortion, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; but if the amount so extorted or demanded does not exceed $1,000, he shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.

    …

    Whoever, with intent to extort from any person, firm, association, or corporation, any money or other thing of value, transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication containing any threat to injure the property or reputation of the addressee or of another or the reputation of a deceased person or any threat to accuse the addressee or any other person of a crime, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

    It would probably hinge on whether whatever the White House was demanding has value. An apology probably doesn’t cut it. An apology on air might.

  14. 14.

    Villago Delenda Est

    June 30, 2017 at 11:09 am

    “Nice little morning show you have there, Joe and Mika. Would be a shame if anything happened to it.”

  15. 15.

    cervantes

    June 30, 2017 at 11:09 am

    Threats can be empty and still constitute illegal coercion.

  16. 16.

    Villago Delenda Est

    June 30, 2017 at 11:10 am

    @germy: “No, not Baked Alaska…Alaska!”

  17. 17.

    bemused

    June 30, 2017 at 11:10 am

    Trumpettes voted for a mobster but doubt they care, not yet anyway.

  18. 18.

    gratuitous

    June 30, 2017 at 11:10 am

    There’s really only one response to this sort of extortion: “Put the offer in writing: The National Enquirer is ready to run a story that casts me in a bad light, but if I call President Trump and apologize or something, he’ll spike the Enquirer story. I want this written down.” Then, regardless of whether they’re stupid enough to do that or not, your response is “Publish and be damned.”

  19. 19.

    LAO

    June 30, 2017 at 11:11 am

    “Is that even a crime?” Words, I say daily.

  20. 20.

    catclub

    June 30, 2017 at 11:11 am

    @scav: Joe Scar and Mika were happy to give Trump huge amounts of uncritical coverage during the primaries.
    _Maybe_ they did not realize that they were expected to continue in that mode.

    Their op-ed was basically a ‘sucks to be you’ to Trump. I feel the same way about them as well.

  21. 21.

    Villago Delenda Est

    June 30, 2017 at 11:11 am

    @acallidryas: I want to see stories about Donald writhing in pain on the ground after a vicious beating, and the police holding back the first responders to let him suffer before he expires.

  22. 22.

    Villago Delenda Est

    June 30, 2017 at 11:14 am

    @LAO: “Attempted murder? Is that even a crime?” — Sideshow Bob

  23. 23.

    germy

    June 30, 2017 at 11:15 am

    @Villago Delenda Est: I saw too many cops with MAGA hats for that to be a realistic scenario.

  24. 24.

    Villago Delenda Est

    June 30, 2017 at 11:15 am

    @bemused: They probably won’t care even as they’re dying in the curb from lack of medical care.

  25. 25.

    Aleta

    June 30, 2017 at 11:16 am

    Good that they are publicly complaining, but I wish they would insert his indifference to health care off and on as they discuss him. He’s diverting attention. (Today he tweeted “If Republican Senators are unable to pass what they are working on now, they should immediately REPEAL, and then REPLACE at a later date!”)

    They need to say they were wrong to promote him as a candidate and talk about media indifference to abuse of women. His abusiveness was clear for years, but now they claim “he’s changed; not the same person we knew two years ago.” They need to change their story to include his past abuses and say they regret they minimized them and by doing so helped his campaign.

  26. 26.

    Bruce K

    June 30, 2017 at 11:17 am

    Tough call on extortion under Federal law, but I’m pretty sure that what the cheeto’s people did meets the definition for second-degree coercion. And even if it isn’t a felony, it’s good for a year in Sing Sing, and I believe that Eric Schneiderman is well within his rights to ignore a Presidential pardon when it comes to a New York state criminal investigation/trial.

  27. 27.

    ? Martin

    June 30, 2017 at 11:17 am

    @zach: Ah yes, airtime has a measurable monetary value.

    @JPL: Yes, clearly I have zero expectation that any such thing would happen, but this is the kind of thing that ‘crimes and misdemeanors’ was intending to cover – any sort of abuse of power of the office.

  28. 28.

    LAO

    June 30, 2017 at 11:17 am

    @Villago Delenda Est: I knew I got that line from somewhere. LOL. But seriously — I say it at least twice a week.

  29. 29.

    Aleta

    June 30, 2017 at 11:19 am

    @Villago Delenda Est: ha

  30. 30.

    Frankensteinbeck

    June 30, 2017 at 11:19 am

    @Villago Delenda Est:
    I am not so vindictive. I just want him removed from any power he could use to hurt people.

  31. 31.

    Patricia Kayden

    June 30, 2017 at 11:19 am

    If that story in Doug’s post is true, it plays into Trump and his sycophants having no problem in colluding with third parties to tear down their enemies, i.e., working with Russia to interfere with the last presidential election. Let’s see what the National Enquirer has to say about Moaning Joe and Shut Up Mika in the near future. I assume it will be dirt which Trump has on them.

  32. 32.

    Patricia Kayden

    June 30, 2017 at 11:21 am

    @bemused: He’s their mobster so it’s all cool.

  33. 33.

    Matt McIrvin

    June 30, 2017 at 11:21 am

    It’s legal now!

  34. 34.

    DougJ

    June 30, 2017 at 11:21 am

    @catclub:

    The story ran

  35. 35.

    LAO

    June 30, 2017 at 11:22 am

    @Bruce K: It’s my recollection, that a federal extortion conviction requires the “obtaining of property” or something of value, which I don’t believe does (or should) include assuaging hurt feelings.

    Re: coercion — so unlikely, also very few (white) people get jail time in NYC for a misdemeanor conviction, especially first time offenders.

  36. 36.

    bemused

    June 30, 2017 at 11:22 am

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    Truth. Stupid is as stupid does.

  37. 37.

    quakerinabasement

    June 30, 2017 at 11:23 am

    @catclub: New on the Enquired website today:
    http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/national-enquirer-tries-to-cash-in-on-salacious-morning-joe-story-after-trump-admits-trying-blackmail-hosts/

  38. 38.

    hellslittlestangel

    June 30, 2017 at 11:24 am

    Next Fox News talking point: Extortion is inappropriate, yes, but it’s hardly illegal.

  39. 39.

    bemused

    June 30, 2017 at 11:25 am

    @Patricia Kayden:

    Also true. Trumpettes are wannabe mobsters.

  40. 40.

    cgordon

    June 30, 2017 at 11:26 am

    @zach: 2nd paragraph clearly mentions reputation.

  41. 41.

    Bruce K

    June 30, 2017 at 11:26 am

    @LAO: I know the odds that there’ll be a conviction and a maximum sentence on second-degree coercion aren’t great, but on the other hand, Schneiderman does have an open file on Trump, and Al Capone went to Alcatraz for tax evasion, after all.

  42. 42.

    hellslittlestangel

    June 30, 2017 at 11:26 am

    @LAO: Pretty sure that Scarborough and Brzezinski could make the case that their reputations have a monetary value.

  43. 43.

    rikyrah

    June 30, 2017 at 11:27 am

    The CBO delivers more bad health care news to Senate Republicans
    06/30/17 10:40 AM
    By Steve Benen

    When the Congressional Budget Office issued a devastating report on the Senate Republicans’ health care plan, it didn’t just disappoint GOP leaders, it also surprised them – because Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) thought he’d gamed the system.

    The idea was straightforward: McConnell knew the CBO’s score would review the impact of the health care legislation over the next 10 years. With this in mind, to make the results look better, the Republican blueprint was designed to delay some of its harshest elements until after the first decade. That way, when the initial CBO report went public, we wouldn’t see the impact of the bill in years 11, 12, 13, and so on.

    We now know that didn’t work out especially well. The Republican plan is so regressive, the CBO found it would have brutal effects almost immediately if implemented. Yesterday, however, the non-partisan budget office dropped the other shoe, issuing a report on what would happen in the second decade. The HuffPost’s Jonathan Cohn explained:

    That big cut to Medicaid that Republicans swear isn’t part of their health care legislation would get even bigger in the future, a new government report predicts.

    In fact, by 2036, the federal government would be spending 35 percent less on Medicaid than it would if current laws remained in place, according to the projection.

  44. 44.

    LAO

    June 30, 2017 at 11:28 am

    @Bruce K: I’m quite confident that this is merely the very small tip of a very large iceberg. IMO, the examination of Trumps finances will be his downfall.

  45. 45.

    GxB

    June 30, 2017 at 11:28 am

    “Rex Non Potest Peccare – bitches!”
    /Fantasy Chump tweet were he not a moron.

    For the time being, this applies even if he doesn’t know it as such. This country is an absolute total fucking disgrace at the moment. And its going to be one hell of a row to hoe just to get back to pathetic.

  46. 46.

    El Caganer

    June 30, 2017 at 11:29 am

    @Villago Delenda Est: And he’ll even let Putin have two portions!

  47. 47.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 30, 2017 at 11:30 am

    I have close to zero interest in most things Joe-and-Mike related

    I have a hard time believing this given your interest in all things printed ‘radical centrist’ pablum.

  48. 48.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    June 30, 2017 at 11:30 am

    Not illegal, but really out of bounds.

  49. 49.

    Gin & Tonic

    June 30, 2017 at 11:30 am

    @hellslittlestangel: True. In the USA, the one-cent coin is still considered legal tender.

  50. 50.

    LAO

    June 30, 2017 at 11:30 am

    @hellslittlestangel: I know that we all hate Trump and wish to see him go down in flames. However, as a defense attorney, I will never be in favor of expanding the definition of criminal statutes.

  51. 51.

    Bruce K

    June 30, 2017 at 11:31 am

    @LAO: Wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest. And I bet Mueller has Schneiderman’s number on speed-dial.

  52. 52.

    hellslittlestangel

    June 30, 2017 at 11:35 am

    @LAO: Good point. It’s The Orange Better One himself who wants to “open up the libel laws,” whatever the fuck that means.

  53. 53.

    Aleta

    June 30, 2017 at 11:36 am

    On Aug. 18, Mr. Bannon’s employees told the Associated Press of their plan to “humanize” Mr. Trump in the media and “use the Internet to win a general election.” The AP went on that week to release a Trump puff piece ignoring all scandals, a widely debunked exposé on the Clinton Foundation, a fake map showing the candidates tied, and other pro-Trump coverage. The AP’s behaviour was so egregious that it was questioned on CNN, where AP editor Kathleen Carroll admitted they were printing lies, but shrugged off the complaints. (On Friday, The AP admitted they had erred in their election coverage.)
    (From Sept. 9, Sarah Kenzidor in Globe and Mail)

    And they’re still using the media to change the subject away from health care and the investigation.

  54. 54.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 30, 2017 at 11:36 am

    @Villago Delenda Est: great episode. “Do they give a nobel prize for attempted chemistry??”

  55. 55.

    Another Scott

    June 30, 2017 at 11:36 am

    @hellslittlestangel: It’s just “alternative legality”, amirite?!?!

    :-/

    160 days in office. Drip, drip, drip…

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  56. 56.

    bemused

    June 30, 2017 at 11:37 am

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    I agree. The thing is this morning I’ve got this feeling that something big about to emerge soon. If so, hope it’s positive for us.

  57. 57.

    MattF

    June 30, 2017 at 11:40 am

    Well, the Venn diagram shows ‘criminal offenses’ and ‘impeachable offenses’ are different things. They could have a non-null intersection, but I’m OK with letting Trump’s lawyers deal with that eventuality.

  58. 58.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 30, 2017 at 11:42 am

    @MattF: an impeachable offense is whatever congress agrees it is. A tan suit is an impeachable offense, the constitution is pretty vague.

  59. 59.

    zach

    June 30, 2017 at 11:42 am

    @cgordon:

    2nd paragraph clearly mentions reputation.

    Yeah I don’t think there’s any doubt the threat qualifies as extortion-by-public-official or extortion-over-interstate-commerce in Federal law. It’s whether the ask-for was enough to pass some test… again IANAL but it sounds like other people here are.

  60. 60.

    MattF

    June 30, 2017 at 11:42 am

    @Major Major Major Major: That’s my point.

  61. 61.

    Certified Mutant Enemy

    June 30, 2017 at 11:43 am

    @Major Major Major Major:

    A tan suit is an impeachable offense,

    Only if the President is not white…

  62. 62.

    randy khan

    June 30, 2017 at 11:43 am

    @cervantes:

    Threats can be empty and still constitute illegal coercion.

    Indeed they can.

  63. 63.

    randy khan

    June 30, 2017 at 11:45 am

    @Bruce K:

    I believe that Eric Schneiderman is well within his rights to ignore a Presidential pardon when it comes to a New York state criminal investigation/trial.

    Actually, he doesn’t even have to ignore it – the President’s pardon power extends only to federal crimes.

  64. 64.

    Spanky

    June 30, 2017 at 11:45 am

    @bemused: Well, the banner at the top of the WaPo sez:

    SOON: President Trump and South Korean president deliver joint remarks

    So I suspect nothing will drop until after our ally gets some good press for the folks back home. On attempting that with Trump present, I wish him luck. In any event, I’m guessing there’ll be no bombshells before, say, 4 PM EDT.

  65. 65.

    JPL

    June 30, 2017 at 11:47 am

    Congress could ask Joe to turn over his records of the conversations, but they won’t. I wonder what other journalists wrote positive stories, because of the threat of blackmail. hmm

  66. 66.

    MCA1

    June 30, 2017 at 11:48 am

    @catclub: Yeah, this whole episode is kind of like Trump as Otter in Animal House, telling JoeMika: “You fucked up. You trusted me!”

    I have zero sympathy for them or their reputations or hurt feelings. I do, however, enjoy seeing them fight back and throw even more shade on this pathetic shitstain masquerading as a human.

    The President of the United States is currently engaged in a catfight on twitter about whether or not he and his staff blackmailed two journalists over a National Enquirer story. Mind-boggling and totally unsurprising all at once.

  67. 67.

    Villago Delenda Est

    June 30, 2017 at 11:50 am

    @Major Major Major Major: Also, too the “revolving door” prison ad, which mentions Sideshow Bob. Paid for the Committee to Elect Sideshow Bob Mayor.

  68. 68.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 30, 2017 at 11:50 am

    @MCA1:

    Mind-boggling and totally unsurprising all at once.

    Exactly how I felt when I saw the headline.

  69. 69.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 30, 2017 at 11:51 am

    @Villago Delenda Est: is that also the episode with the “die Bart die” shirt that’s “German for ‘the Bart, the'”?

  70. 70.

    JPL

    June 30, 2017 at 11:52 am

    @Spanky: Let the guessing begin. I think that Flynn is arrested. The WSJ sat on that article for weeks, but chose today to print it. There has to be a reason.

  71. 71.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    June 30, 2017 at 11:54 am

    @scav: I think it was more it’s all fun and games when Trump’s bullies little people but when it’s one of the Very, Very Serious Media personalities then it’s to much for them.

  72. 72.

    schrodingers_cat

    June 30, 2017 at 11:55 am

    I guess Mika and Joe are more important than the Travel ban lite, that’s gone into effect since last night. Also, 8 state attorneys general want to file a suit against T regime to end DACA and deport the dreamers.
    ETA: Is this the 5th thread about the vacuous morning duo?

  73. 73.

    LAO

    June 30, 2017 at 11:56 am

    @JPL: Flynn may have been. When an individual is (1) under investigation and (2) decides to cooperate — everything is done under seal and there is/are no official court documents. So who knows, definitely possible though.

  74. 74.

    Certified Mutant Enemy

    June 30, 2017 at 11:57 am

    @Major Major Major Major:

    No one who speaks German could be an evil man…

  75. 75.

    Spanky

    June 30, 2017 at 11:57 am

    @Spanky: Uh oh! Now the banner atop the WaPo website sez:

    Trump: The era of strategic patience with the North Korean regime has failed

    Now WTF is he saying? Anybody paying attention? I can’t see it here at work even if I had the stomach for it.

  76. 76.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    June 30, 2017 at 11:58 am

    @MCA1:

    Their statement about “he’s changed” is bullshit. He is what he’s always been, but they, the national media and much of the New York media enabled and coddled him for decades.

    Frankenstein’s Monster has escaped, is destroying the village, and yet the village elders are meeting to discuss their stock portfolios.

  77. 77.

    MattF

    June 30, 2017 at 12:01 pm

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: In fact, Maggie Haberman (in a Slate interview) says Trump has gotten worse: he used to have a sense of humor about himself. And Haberman would know– she worked for both NYC tabloids before ascending to the NYT.

    ETA: And I wish autocorrect would stop changing Haberman to Habermas. It’s no longer funny.

  78. 78.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    June 30, 2017 at 12:02 pm

    @Spanky: What Trump is trying to do is distract from him getting slapped down by Moaning Joe after attempting to distract from Trumpcare failing which was to distract from Russiagate…

  79. 79.

    Bruce K

    June 30, 2017 at 12:02 pm

    @randy khan: Zigackly! A Presidential pardon has as much legal impact on a state attorney general as a Monopoly get-out-of-jail-free card.

    (I know, I know, snowball’s chance of it actually happening, but can I at least enjoy a few minutes in a happy place where the “Northern White House” is in Ossining, New York?)

  80. 80.

    Turner Hedenkoff

    June 30, 2017 at 12:03 pm

    Interesting. I’ve had a good laugh in the checkout lines lately about how the Enquirer and sister tab the Globe have become the new Pravda and Izvestiya, only with more celebrity cellulite stories. If they’re weaponizing the tabs instead of just lying to the rubes, that’s a whole new dimension that might cross a legal line. But before anyone gets their hopes up too much, remember that the Enquirer gets away with what it does because it has some of the best lawyers in the business.

  81. 81.

    Mike in DC

    June 30, 2017 at 12:03 pm

    For half of his supporters, Trump’s thuggishness is a feature, not a bug.

  82. 82.

    schrodingers_cat

    June 30, 2017 at 12:03 pm

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: All emailz all the time, Vichy Times handled him with kid gloves.

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    SiubhanDuinne

    June 30, 2017 at 12:08 pm

    @Spanky:

    Also too, according to a Jim Acosta tweet (which I can’t figure out how to embed), today the U.S.

    (1) Announced sanctions against Chinese banks
    (2) Announced a $1.2 billion arms deal with Taiwan

    https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/880523335549018112

    ETA: Sorry, that was yesterday. Old news!

  84. 84.

    Villago Delenda Est

    June 30, 2017 at 12:09 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Yes, and the parole board member who exclaims “No one who speaks German can be evil!”

  85. 85.

    gvg

    June 30, 2017 at 12:11 pm

    Just FYI my parents who are lifelong liberals, but who are older and follow traditional media like news broadcasts and the NYT’s say that morning joe was always pretty negative about Trump and totally disagree with our mostly consensus that that show promoted Trump too much in the beginning. I guess we are more politics junkies than most. Never thought I would be saying that about myself. Before 2000 i didn’t really follow except for general liberal lean with enviornmental issues.

  86. 86.

    germy

    June 30, 2017 at 12:13 pm

    Employees at the New York Times are outraged over a recent decision to eliminate the newspaper’s stand-alone copy desk, a team that includes more than 100 copy editors. These editors have been invited to apply for about 50 available positions.

    The imminent staff cuts are part of a broader effort at the Times to restructure the operation of the newsroom, an attempt to “streamline” by reducing the layers of editing. But copy editors say the move has forced them into a “humiliating process of justifying our continued presence at The New York Times.”

    Other employees across the newsroom share their anger. Hundreds of Times employees staged a walkout on Thursday afternoon to protest the cuts. Employees from various corners of the newsroom left their desks, walked down to the ground floor and marched around the building near Times Square. They carried signs displaying a slew of copy errors:

    “Without us, it’s the New Yrok Times”

  87. 87.

    JPL

    June 30, 2017 at 12:15 pm

    Jared Kushner Told Joe Scarborough: Talk to President Trump About ‘Enquirer’ Dirt
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/jared-kushner-told-joe-scarborough-talk-to-president-trump-about-enquirer-dirt?source=twitter&via=desktop

  88. 88.

    david

    June 30, 2017 at 12:19 pm

    This is great news! The personal weaknesses and ineptitude of this administration are all that’s saving the country.
    Imagine if they actually knew what the Hell they were doing in the WH… it would be 100x worse than it is right now.

    The best that can be hoped for is another 18 months of petty feuds, distractions, no leadership, no direction, total
    lack of action, and a GOP Congress unable to corral its own cat herd.

    Then, maybe, MAYBE, the Dems can learn how to win an election by 2018. Of course, that will also require some
    semblance of competence, which has yet to be proven by either party, quite frankly.

  89. 89.

    NorthLeft12

    June 30, 2017 at 12:21 pm

    I remember seeing US tabloids in grocery store checkout lines in Canada during 2016, and the vile headlines against Hilary Clinton and Pres. Obama were constant and nausea inducing.
    Has there been any journalistic investigation done into why the Enquirer is so pro- Deadbeat Donald? Is it as simple as most of their readership is as ignorant and morally suspect as Trump, and are hardcore supporters of the worst US president ever? Or is there something else going on?

  90. 90.

    FlipYrWhig

    June 30, 2017 at 12:26 pm

    @NorthLeft12: Publisher is his friend. Probably met in the same gutter.

  91. 91.

    MJS

    June 30, 2017 at 12:30 pm

    You know what, instead of boinking each other, Joe and Mika can simply go fuck themselves. Their op-ed was insipid, claiming that it’s only a recent event that Trump has gone around the bend. The Billy Bush tape was from years ago, as was the recording of him ogling a 10 year old, as was the report of him walking into the Miss Teen USA dressing room (or whatever it was), as were all the Howard Stern interviews, etc. Here’s a suggestion for any news readers, reporters, pundits, etc. – when the President of the United States has “close advisors” telling you things, and the President denies those things, NAME THE FUCKING ADVISORS!. When the President of the United States is extorting you, TELL PEOPLE HE’S EXTORTING YOU WHEN IT’S HAPPENING, not as part of some grade-school slap fight.

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    Betty Cracker

    June 30, 2017 at 12:35 pm

    @NorthLeft12: I’m no expert on the media, but it’s hard to believe the Enquirer could have much influence IF the absurd buffoon who was a Republican candidate and now POTUS didn’t use their stories to tee off on enemies. The Enquirer’s publisher, the aptly named David Pecker, is a personal friend of Trump’s, and wingnut sleazebag Dick Morris is the tab’s political commentator. So yeah, the target audience is dim-witted MAGAts who like a side of celebrity cellulite with their Two Minutes Hate.

  93. 93.

    Bevster

    June 30, 2017 at 12:35 pm

    Am I the only person who thinks maybe we’re being played here? Joe and Mika after all pioneered the Trump call-in when the mofo was literally blocks away from 30 Rock and could’ve walked over, if he could walk. Maybe he’s just helping a couple of friends goose up their ratings.

  94. 94.

    artem1s

    June 30, 2017 at 12:39 pm

    @zach:

    It would probably hinge on whether whatever the White House was demanding has value. An apology probably doesn’t cut it. An apology on air might.

    Access has value. He’s promised access to his largess IF they play along.
    but really, I think this is more a story on how desperate the WH staff is to keep Twittler from having a temper tantrum

  95. 95.

    mai naem mobile

    June 30, 2017 at 12:39 pm

    @NorthLeft12: I think Roger Stone is somehow involved with the Enquirer.

  96. 96.

    MJS

    June 30, 2017 at 12:39 pm

    @Bevster: That crossed my mind, but there’s no way Trump with his thin-skin would participate in a charade that involved him being made to look a fool.

  97. 97.

    Mike in DC

    June 30, 2017 at 12:41 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Nothing wrong with the latter, though. Continuity in our Taiwan policy is good.

  98. 98.

    NorthLeft12

    June 30, 2017 at 12:41 pm

    @germy: I guess my gripes with the NYT are more about the publisher and editors, who are more responsible for the awful content that this once fine newspaper produces.
    I write a lot for my work [Chemical Engineer at a large facility] and take pride in producing reports, documents, procedures, and emails that are informative and useful and not dumbed down. I serve as my own editor and copy editor. To me, it is all about how careful you are in writing and also how much time you are willing to spend in re-reading and correcting whatever you write.
    Back in the day, my wife to be was a receptionist/typist [yes, before computers] and she typed out a procedure that I had written. While reviewing the document, I noticed she had eliminated a comma. I marked up the document and returned it to her explaining that she had missed a comma. She told me she did not miss it, she just took it out because it was not needed. Eventually, after much back and forth, I used the compelling argument that since my name was on the document, I would be wrong in my own way, and she put the comma in.
    We started dating a few months after that, and have been married for over thirty four years.
    BTW, that comma was definitely needed. Its removal changed the whole meaning of the sentence. She still complains about that and said that she refused to type anything for me again.

  99. 99.

    J R in WV

    June 30, 2017 at 12:42 pm

    @Spanky:

    @Spanky: Uh oh! Now the banner atop the WaPo website sez:

    Trump: The era of strategic patience with the North Korean regime has failed

    Now WTF is he saying? Anybody paying attention? I can’t see it here at work even if I had the stomach for it.

    Now this is the kind f thing I was afraid of, what keeps me awake at 4 am. Not a shower of missiles from Russia, but slightly smaller nuclear disasters starting in SE Asia, where there are at least 3 nuclear powers, India and Pakistan already nearly at war with each other, Pakistan likely to sell “surplus” weapons to other powers in that area, and DROK (North Korea, right?) rattling nuclear sabers in the headlines weekly.

    Then there’s the prospect of cargo containers going off in ports all around the nation even before customs has any chance to inspect the 2% of containers they even look at.

    Not happy days The Time for Strategic Patience has ended… WTF???

    Completely off topic, over at LGM they have gone to Discus to manage their site “off-site” and it seems to have worked well, except that their commentary buttons for italic of bold or quite block are quite gone. And as for whoever asked, lots of people who comment or read here also comment and read over there at LGM too, so why not mention stuff happening over there? It’s about the only other blog left that I follow closely at all.

  100. 100.

    Montanareddog

    June 30, 2017 at 12:46 pm

    @MattF:

    In fact, Maggie Haberman (in a Slate interview) says Trump has gotten worse: he used to have a sense of humor about himself.

    I’ve often wondered if President Obama’s very public humiliation of Trump at the WHCD in 2011 broke something in him (Trump). Now, the President had every right to be pissed at Trump, but being a resilient person himself, maybe he under-estimated Trump’s mental vulnerability (This is not meant as a criticism of PBO in any way)

  101. 101.

    NorthLeft12

    June 30, 2017 at 12:46 pm

    @Betty Cracker: Betty, that is one of the finest responses that I have ever received to one of my comments. Bravo.
    I am not surprised that the NE political direction is set by a Dick and a Pecker.

  102. 102.

    mai naem mobile

    June 30, 2017 at 12:55 pm

    I don’t even get it. Does Dolt 45 really think anybody gives a shit that Scarborough and Mika were having an affair? After all the affairs of different politicians and he himself having affairs. Does anybody outside of political junkies and,maybe, people from his old district know who Scarborough and Mika are? Shit, this might be a 3 day story in Mika and Joe’s circle. I am just so fucking tired of being outraged at this fucker. I can’t even be shocked anymore. And if you think of what the GOP had done any single action of any of these shitty actions this pig has done she would have been impeached and done already.

  103. 103.

    NorthLeft12

    June 30, 2017 at 12:55 pm

    @Montanareddog:

    says Trump has gotten worse: he used to have a sense of humor about himself.

    Frankly, I don’t believe it. Anything I have ever seen about him, back to the early 90s, he has shown that he is a pompous, obnoxious, arrogant, vain, and ignorant bully. In my experience, people like that are essentially humourless, and never, ever, are able to laugh at themselves.
    Their “humour” consists of mean put downs and insults.

  104. 104.

    MJS

    June 30, 2017 at 12:58 pm

    @Montanareddog: PBO’s humiliation of Trump post-dates mountains of evidence that Trump was always broken.

  105. 105.

    NorthLeft12

    June 30, 2017 at 1:01 pm

    @FlipYrWhig: @mai naem mobile: Thanks guys. Colour me shocked that Deadbeat Donald has a close acquaintance in a sleaze filled company.

    The success of these people is living proof against Karma, the existence of God, the teachings of JC, and the whole concept of justice.

  106. 106.

    mr_gravity

    June 30, 2017 at 1:05 pm

    @LAO: Sadly I must agree. Sadly because causing real harm to real people is of secondary concern. Stealing from the poor is OK. Stealing from the rich is frowned upon.

  107. 107.

    mai naem mobile

    June 30, 2017 at 1:06 pm

    @Bevster: that was my first thought because if it’s one thing Dolt knows it’s the importance of teevee ratings and manufacturing events to push ratings.

  108. 108.

    Spanky

    June 30, 2017 at 1:06 pm

    Rather than poop on Boussinesque upstairs, I’ll drop this turd here. I expect Cole to comment on it later.
    Via WaPo:

    Twenty-two million more Americans would be uninsured under the Senate Republicans’ health-care bill than under the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, by 2026, according to the Congressional Budget Office’s report released on June 26. But that loss would fall much harder on some states than others, according to a new analysis from the Urban Institute and Robert Wood Johnson Foundation.

    West Virginia would see its uninsured rate more than quadruple by 2022. In Kentucky and Arkansas the uninsured rate would more than triple. All three states strongly supported Donald Trump in the presidential election.

  109. 109.

    TriassicSands

    June 30, 2017 at 1:08 pm

    @? Martin:

    However, it clearly is an abuse of power of the Office of the President and should serve as grounds for impeachment.

    Sorry, but in the current Republican House “high crimes and misdemeanors” are now defined as limited to “First degree murder of a white male whose net worth is in excess of $1,000,000.00 with high definition video of the act in which the identity of the president is clearly and unmistakably shown. All other presidential acts are deemed permissible and not cause for disciplinary action on the part of the United States Congress.”

    The current Republican Congress has the highest moral and ethical standards and intends to hold the current president to those standards ensuring that he will be a good little boy.

  110. 110.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    June 30, 2017 at 1:11 pm

    @MattF:

    Maggie can kiss my spotty fat ass – she’s a part of that equation and is simply ducking consequences and criticism.

  111. 111.

    Patricia Kayden

    June 30, 2017 at 1:12 pm

    @Aleta: Damn. I’m speechless.

  112. 112.

    TriassicSands

    June 30, 2017 at 1:12 pm

    @rikyrah:

    …while asking nothing in return

    Who knows, he may ask for some of the videos or photos Putin has on him.

  113. 113.

    mai naem mobile

    June 30, 2017 at 1:13 pm

    @TriassicSands: not net worth of $1M. It’s an annual income of $1M, unless you had the decimal point in the wrong spot and you meant $1 Billion.

  114. 114.

    rikyrah

    June 30, 2017 at 1:24 pm

    THE RACHEL MADDOW SHOW 6/29/17
    GOP operative sought Russian hacker help against Clinton: WSJ
    Shane Harris, national security reporter for the Wall Street Journal, talks with Rachel Maddow about his new reporting about Peter Smith, a Republican activist who sought the help of Russian hackers who may have found Hillary Clinton’s e-mails, and implied he was working with Donald Trump aide Mike Flynn.

  115. 115.

    JPL

    June 30, 2017 at 1:25 pm

    @TriassicSands: I’m beginning to think that’s true.

  116. 116.

    Another Scott

    June 30, 2017 at 1:31 pm

    Hey doug! If you’re still around.

    Today’s the 30th, the end of the 2nd quarter. I’ve been getting begging e-mails from candidates. Could you put up the Thermometer?

    Thanks.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  117. 117.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 30, 2017 at 1:32 pm

    @Mike in DC:

    Yeah, but either announcement alone is likely to piss Beijing off. Announcing them on the same day amplifies the message. And in conjunction with what sounds* like a bit of farting in Pyongyang’s general direction, well….

    *(I have not yet heard/watched nor read anything beyond the headlines and a couple of tweets about what Trump said in his WH remarks with SK President Moon. I could easily be misinterpreting/misrepresenting. In which case, pre-emptive apologies.)

  118. 118.

    rikyrah

    June 30, 2017 at 1:33 pm

    THE RACHEL MADDOW SHOW 6/29/17
    Trump allies work to smear FBI, discredit Russia investigation
    Matthew Miller, former chief spokesman for the Justice Department, talks with Rachel Maddow about Donald Trump allies going on offense to discredit the FBI officials and the Trump Russia investigation.

  119. 119.

    rikyrah

    June 30, 2017 at 1:36 pm

    If WH told @morningmika & @JoeNBC the Nat’l Enquirer wd smear them unless they laid off T on their show, that wd be a crime per 18 USC 872
    — Laurence Tribe (@tribelaw) June 30, 2017

  120. 120.

    d58826

    June 30, 2017 at 1:37 pm

    Maybe OT but an interesting read as to what happened when Colorado Springs elected a libertarian bus. man to run the city like a business. ‘The Short, Unhappy Life of a Libertarian Paradise
    The residents of Colorado Springs undertook a radical experiment in government. Here’s what they got.’

    Couple of takeaways
    1. a city (state or federal) isn’t a business
    2. running the city like a business does not repeal the ‘an’t no free lunch’ law
    3 the mayor got into trouble because it was his way or the highway. That might have worked in his private sector job but in politics/government the other stake holders have to be listened to as they eventually will vote.
    4. On the other hand just because it is government doesn’t mean it has to done stupidly. The article talked about the bad deal the previous city fathers had negotiated over the local hospital. The new guy did get a much better deal for the tax payers. So our political leaders should listen to some of the lessons from Harvard School of Business in contracting for good and services for example. But you can’t fight a forest fire or plow the snow from the highways like you run an assembly line.

    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/30/colorado-springs-libertarian-experiment-america-215313

  121. 121.

    schrodingers_cat

    June 30, 2017 at 1:40 pm

    @Bevster: This bullshit controversy is sucking all oxygen from healthcare, travel ban lite and Russian collusion stories. Joe and Mika are helping T just like they did earlier when he launched his campaign.

  122. 122.

    rikyrah

    June 30, 2017 at 1:40 pm

    Trump abandons the pretense surrounding his voting ‘commission’
    06/30/17 12:40 PM—UPDATED 06/30/17 01:02 PM
    By Steve Benen

    Nearly a decade ago, the Bush/Cheney administration thought it’d be a good idea to give Hans von Spakovsky a six-year term on the Federal Elections Commission. Slate’s Dahlia Lithwick offered some advice to senators weighing his nomination: “Do not vote for this guy.”

    Lithwick’s piece was a brutal takedown, making the case that von Spakovsky “was one of the generals in a years-long campaign to use what we now know to be bogus claims of runaway ‘vote fraud’ in America to suppress minority votes.” She added, “[E]ven a brief poke at his resume shows a man who has dedicated his professional career to a single objective: turning a partisan myth about voters who cast multiple ballots under fake names (always for Democrats!) into a national snipe hunt for vote fraud.” Hans von Spakovsky, Lithwick concluded, “symbolizes contempt for what it means to cast a vote.”
    It’s against this backdrop that Donald Trump has decided Hans von Spakovsky should serve on the White House’s “elections integrity” commission, which exists to find evidence of widespread voter fraud – a popular myth in far-right imaginations, thanks to people like Hans von Spakovsky. TPM reported this morning:

    Von Spakovsky served in President George W. Bush’s Justice Department during an era when the agency came under fire for politicizing voting rights issues. Von Spakovsky approved Georgia’s voter ID law, over the objections of career DOJ employees. Since leaving the federal government, he has continued to be an advocate for restrictive voting laws and has fanned the unsubstantiated fears about voter fraud.

    He will be a member of the Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity, which is being led by Vice President Mike Pence and Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, who is also a prominent pusher of voter restrictions.

  123. 123.

    d58826

    June 30, 2017 at 1:45 pm

    And words I never thought I would see from a Faux news person

    And on Fox News, anchor Julie Banderas called out Trump for the Mika tweets: “You don’t need to stoop to the level, obviously. I don’t care who you are. You don’t stoop to the level of that … That’s just not how you run a country … People used to call President Obama stupid, people used to call him a Muslim, people used to call him underqualified, a sellout to America, a hater of Israel. I mean they called him every name in the book — but you didn’t see him lash out!”

    Der Fuhrer really is capable of doing the impossible both for the quote and the implication that all of the things Faux said about Obama might not be true.

    http://www.newsworks.org/index.php/national-interest/item/105252-trump-and-women-you-get-what-you-vote-for

  124. 124.

    Stan

    June 30, 2017 at 1:50 pm

    @Bruce K:

    can I at least enjoy a few minutes in a happy place where the “Northern White House” is in Ossining, New York?)

    How about Dannemora? it’s a hell of a lot colder there.

  125. 125.

    Nelle

    June 30, 2017 at 1:51 pm

    @TriassicSands:Oh, Trump already got his deliverables – sitting in some shell company as soon as he can break the sanctions on Russia. Next week’s gift fest is just to keep them patient until he can pull off the big give away (lifting sanctions) and then unlock some of that post election money transferred to shell companies.

    Oh, were you thinking of what he was going to get for the country? I’m laughing. Laughing sardonically. Like he would ever do that!

  126. 126.

    Mike in DC

    June 30, 2017 at 2:02 pm

    I am increasingly of the opinion that if the Special Counsel develops a real criminal case against the President, he will file an actual criminal indictment and let the chips fall where they may. It forces the hand of Congress, and creates an intolerable political liability for them. Plus, even if they do nothing, the President has to try to get reelected while under criminal indictment, and the minute he leaves office he can be arrested and brought to trial. It will be challenged in court, but resolving that will take months. In the meantime, the damage is done.

  127. 127.

    germy

    June 30, 2017 at 2:04 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: This comment summed it up a few threads ago:
    https://balloon-juice.com/2017/06/30/stop-the-fraudulent-voter-fraud-squad/#comment-6450357

  128. 128.

    Downpuppy

    June 30, 2017 at 2:06 pm

    @gratuitous: Kushner & the morons he works with sent the threats by text. So it’s in writing, signed.

  129. 129.

    germy

    June 30, 2017 at 2:11 pm

    Even the formerly verbose have nothing to say:

    Among some of the president’s closest advisers, both within and without the West Wing, there is a clear and growing desire to move on and discuss anything but the pettiness of the Trump-Scarborough feud.

    Former House speaker Newt Gingrich, a top informal Trump adviser who rarely holds back in conversations with reporters, quickly ended a phone conversation when asked about the drama unfolding on Twitter. “No comment,” Gingrich interjected as soon as The Daily Beast mentioned the words “Morning Joe.”

    “Goodbye,” he said, before abruptly hanging up.

  130. 130.

    Immanentize

    June 30, 2017 at 2:15 pm

    @mr_gravity: Dylan:

    They say that patriotism is the last refuge
    To which a scoundrel clings
    Steal a little and they throw you in jail
    Steal a lot and they make you king

  131. 131.

    cmorenc

    June 30, 2017 at 2:16 pm

    Meanwhile, in the alternate bizarro universe that is “Fox and Friends” over on Faux News, the cast was striving to support Trump’s verbal defense of self against all the mean haters out there insulting him, and trying to portray Joe and Mika as vicious slanderers of President Trump. Not so much as a whisper of a mention that not just in this incident, but a boatload of others, Trump has a longstanding habit of making viciously demeaning comments about women’s appearances of the sort that these doofuses wouldn’t tolerate for a second being said about their wife or daughter, nor their son saying such about anyone else’s wife or daughter.

  132. 132.

    bemused

    June 30, 2017 at 2:19 pm

    @d58826:

    Not a churchy person but I liked the last paragraph. New King James Bible warns, “He who sows iniquity, reaps sorrow”

  133. 133.

    Hal

    June 30, 2017 at 2:29 pm

    All these people “calling out” Trump are full of it. The easiest, least politically dangerous thing for any conservative to do is criticize Trump for these comments. Next week they’ll be right back endorsing him and all his bullshit.

  134. 134.

    HeleninEire

    June 30, 2017 at 2:31 pm

    @NorthLeft12: Best story on the internet today.

  135. 135.

    catclub

    June 30, 2017 at 2:31 pm

    @Immanentize: In Bierce’s Devil’s Dictionary: Something along the lines of “Although I do respect an inferior lexicographer, I daresay it is the first.”

    They say that patriotism is the last refuge
    To which a scoundrel clings

  136. 136.

    catclub

    June 30, 2017 at 2:34 pm

    @Mike in DC:

    I am increasingly of the opinion that if the Special Counsel develops a real criminal case against the President, he will file an actual criminal indictment and let the chips fall where they may.

    And I am presently riding the pony I got for Fitzmas.

  137. 137.

    germy

    June 30, 2017 at 2:39 pm

    @catclub:

    PATRIOTISM, n.
    Combustible rubbish ready to the torch of anyone ambitious to illuminate his name.

    In Dr. Johnson’s famous dictionary patriotism is defined as the last resort of a scoundrel. With all due respect to an enlightened but inferior lexicographer I beg to submit that it is the first.

  138. 138.

    JPL

    June 30, 2017 at 2:45 pm

    @rikyrah: I’m beginning to think he fires McCabe and Rosenstein today. He’ll be leaving the country soon, and he might be hoping that the noise dies down before he returns.

  139. 139.

    d58826

    June 30, 2017 at 2:47 pm

    @bemused: Poleman has a pretty good political eye.

    The Bible has a couple of references along the same line – Proverbs – ‘He that troubleth his own house shall inherit the wind ‘. Which is also where the play/movie title came from.

    and Hosea ‘For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind’

    I’m not much of a churchy person either but the Good Book does have a lot of good to say. Just have to use it as a way to live a better life and build a better society. Unfortunately it is being used as a club by the powerful to beat the ‘lesser of my brothers and sisters’ into submission or a second class status. . Give what the religious right advocates I really wonder what Bible they are reading.

  140. 140.

    germy

    June 30, 2017 at 2:51 pm

    Christopher Ingraham‏Verified account @_cingraham 20h20 hours ago

    The guy heading Trump’s voter fraud commission was just fined for misleading a federal court about voter fraud.

  141. 141.

    d58826

    June 30, 2017 at 2:55 pm

    @germy: There has been a lot of electrons burned on BJ discussing Der Trumps intelligence. Now I don;t think he is smart in the Obama/Einstein sense, but you must have a few brain cells to rub together if you can convince big money men to put YOUR name on THEIR hotel. And then convince many millions more that the hotel room is somehow different than a Hilton. I suspect he has the street level smarts that is implied in the old ‘smart like a fox’ cliche. Which brings me to his tweets. Are they smart or just rage.

    At one level I think most of them are just the rage of a spoiled 3 year old. But I think he has figured out that a well timed rage tweet like yesterday can serve more than the purpose.
    While every one was obsessing on the Mika/Joe tweet what did not get discussed in any details:
    1. more evidence of collusion and that Mike Flynn was at the heart of it,
    2. the Trumpcare meltdown
    3. re-instating the travel ban
    4. the demand for voting rolls
    5. apparently demands trade war over objections of practically entire cabinet (https://www.axios.com/exclusive-trump-plots-trade-wars-2450764900.html)
    6. possible steped up military action in Syria
    7. another flip in our China policy
    a. a couple of weeks ago he tweeted his disappointment that China did not creak down
    on N. Korea like he demanded
    b. yesterday he announced an arms deal (admitted one of many over the years) with
    Taiwan
    c. severe sanctions on a Chinese bank
    d. the policy changes may well be reasonable but it looks like its retaliation for not
    getting his way.
    e. more threats of war with N. Korea
    8. changes to our Cuba policy that just happen to help his properties (that where there all
    during the Cuba embargo years) over the competitors and
    9. Trump.org renewing trademarks in Russia, Ukraine and Venezuela.

    Now poke around and you find this stuff but it isn’t necessarily the lead on Huffington or in the A or B blocks of the political talk shows on MSNBC/CNN. All major stories and mostly not in favor of Trump

  142. 142.

    James Powell

    June 30, 2017 at 2:59 pm

    Now, the President had every right to be pissed at Trump, but being a resilient person himself, maybe he under-estimated Trump’s mental vulnerability

    The only thing President Obama – along with many of the rest of us – underestimated what the depth and breadth of the racism and misogyny in America.

  143. 143.

    bemused

    June 30, 2017 at 3:01 pm

    @d58826:
    A friend related what a mutual friend said this week. She will no longer call herself a Christian even though she believes in what Christ preached. She’s disgusted that faux Christians have sullied the faith and claimed ownership of a religion they don’t follow.

  144. 144.

    germy

    June 30, 2017 at 3:06 pm

    @d58826: They’re also getting their ducks in a row for the next election:

    GOP budget terminates Election Assistance Commission, only federal agency making sure voting machines aren't hacked https://t.co/06tR2evOq6 pic.twitter.com/qIuJphkTIg— Ari Berman (@AriBerman) June 29, 2017

  145. 145.

    rikyrah

    June 30, 2017 at 3:09 pm

    @Mike in DC:

    I am increasingly of the opinion that if the Special Counsel develops a real criminal case against the President, he will file an actual criminal indictment and let the chips fall where they may. It forces the hand of Congress, and creates an intolerable political liability for them. Plus, even if they do nothing, the President has to try to get reelected while under criminal indictment, and the minute he leaves office he can be arrested and brought to trial. It will be challenged in court, but resolving that will take months. In the meantime, the damage is done.

    I am of this mindset too.
    Bobby Three Sticks seems to go by the motto:

    If you take a swing at the King, You best not miss.

    That’s what this Murderers Row Team that he’s assembled is about.

  146. 146.

    catclub

    June 30, 2017 at 3:19 pm

    @germy: Hey, I did pretty well for not looking it up.
    I really should buy Jason Zweig’s Financial Devil’s Dictionary.

  147. 147.

    d58826

    June 30, 2017 at 3:28 pm

    And all things Pence from Twitter

    GOP Secretary of State from Pence’s home state of Indiana says state won’t hand over personal info to Trump’s voter fraud commission

    But this one is mind boggling :

    I’m honored and frankly enthusiastic about the role @POTUS has asked me to play in renewing our nation’s commitment to space

    As a fundamentalist bible believing Christian who believes in creationism, how can he be excited about the exploration of space? The concept does not exist in his theology. The cosmology of the big bang, Newton and and Einsteins physics do not exist, the math that allows us to put a rover on Mars does not exist because Mars moves around the earth. It is just mind blindingly insane that you can talk about sending spaces probes to planets billions of miles away and look for exo-planets that may harbor life and yet claim to believe in the 6 days of creation 6 thousand years ago.

    Wait a minute reread the quote and he must be referring to the empty area between Der Fuhrer’s ears. That make it plain

  148. 148.

    hilts

    June 30, 2017 at 3:49 pm

    @d58826:

    I think he has figured out that a well timed rage tweet like yesterday can serve more than the purpose.

    I believe that Trump simply lacks any self control and that his tweets are not calculated to distract us from other newsworthy topics.

    I attribute his successes much more to widespread stupidity among millions of Americans as opposed to any street smarts on his part.

  149. 149.

    Mnemosyne

    June 30, 2017 at 4:08 pm

    @hilts:

    Generally speaking, the rage of a narcissist is much more calculated than most people realize, because that’s one of the ways they get their way. I’m not sure that Trump is raging to distract us from the other news, but it’s a pretty basic strategy that doesn’t take a lot of thought.

    But at the same time, he is genuinely enraged that the people he thought were loyal to him are criticizing him. He’s not faking it, though he may be directing it towards an end.

  150. 150.

    d58826

    June 30, 2017 at 4:11 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    Generally speaking, the rage of a narcissist is much more calculated than most people realize, because that’s one of the ways they get their way. I’m not sure that Trump is raging to distract us from the other news, but it’s a pretty basic strategy that doesn’t take a lot of thought.

    Maybe and he is just benefiting from the media obsession with the latest bright object. And the tweet is certainly a lot easier to understand than the ins and outs of sanctions on China. Just like e-mails

  151. 151.

    LongHairedWeirdo

    June 30, 2017 at 4:48 pm

    Let’s assume there is a story.

    And let’s assume there’s an iron clad agreement that if Asshole-Joe (Sorry: he asked “why do liberals want Terri Schiavo to die” – he is forever more an asshole until he admits he was wrong, and repudiates the other people who pulled the same bullshit, AND pulls a John Cole and tries to pull other assholes back from the brink.) apologizes, the story gets spiked.

    Let’s also assume that there’s something shady about the story. Something where it’s clearly blackmail.

    This is probably illegal, but probably unprosecutable unless someone rolls, *or* does something really stupid.

    As long as everyone insists that no agreement exists, per my understanding of the law, this isn’t supposed to go to court – a jury shouldn’t be allowed to render a finding of fact of this nature. “Everyone insists it was a coincidence – the Trump team said there was a story, but they were bluffing. Then someone else heard about the rumor, and sold a GREAT story to the Enquirer, AFTER asshole-Joe didn’t grovel. The Enquirer ran with the story – free press, and you can’t shackle the press because of something they had no involvement in!

    Unless someone is caught bragging about the agreement, with enough details to bring before the jury so it’s no longer “everyone insists there was no agreement, and there’s no evidence, just a very suspicious string of coincidences” juries aren’t supposed to be given this kind of case.

    It’s like an attorney relaying orders for the mob. It’s illegal. But no one can be compelled to break attorney-client privilege. Without a confession, you can’t get a conviction, and you probably can’t even bring it to trial.

    Still, remember: if an attorney relays orders for the mob, it *is* illegal. That it can’t be prosecuted doesn’t make it any less so. Similarly, one conservative talking point that disgusted me was that no one had standing to sue, or press charges, against Bush for illegal surveillance, because even the evidence to create standing would be kept out for purposes of national security. That Bush couldn’t be prosecuted, and that made it okay, was one of the few things that disgusted me more than “why do liberals want Schiavo to die?” The latter is hateful, slanderous, propaganda – but it’s legal. Throwing away the law, while engaging in political discussion? That’s even worse.

  152. 152.

    LongHairedWeirdo

    June 30, 2017 at 4:55 pm

    @James Powell: I’d say that a lot of people underestimated the trust people have placed in the right wing talking points.

    Ordinary people in what the GOP pretends is “real America” – they’ve all met people like Trump. They come from places where the telling of a whopper is an art form. They know people whose mouths can’t stop writing checks their bodies are *never* going to cash. They know that unhealthy levels of arrogance is a sign of massive character flaws.

    But they believed that Trump wasn’t quite like that. Because they trusted the people who’ve been feeding them bullshit for coming-on 25 years.

    That’s why the best hope for this country is that Trump is toxic enough to bring down *everything* on the rightwing side.

  153. 153.

    KS in MA

    June 30, 2017 at 5:35 pm

    @gratuitous: This. (Just a bit late to the party, but … great advice!)

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