JUST IN: GOP-led House committee approves Dem amendment to revoke Trump’s war authority https://t.co/CHJJoAtxMu pic.twitter.com/4I6XwSdtPz
— The Hill (@thehill) June 29, 2017
Yeah, probably just symbolic, but good for Rep. Barbara Lee [warning: autoplay] —
The House Appropriations Committee on Thursday approved an amendment that would revoke a 2001 law giving the president authority to undertake war against al Qaeda and its affiliates unless a replacement provision is created.
Lawmakers applauded when the amendment was added by voice vote to the defense spending bill, highlighting the frustration many members of Congress feel about the Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF), which was initially approved to authorize the response to the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
It has since been used to justify the Iraq War and the fight against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria.
Despite the applause, it is unclear whether it will make it past the Senate and be included in a final version of a defense spending bill. The amendment would revoke the 2001 AUMF after 240 days following the passing of the act, forcing Congress to vote on a new AUMF in the interim…
Just in time for Independence Day, too.
What else is on the agenda as we start the (long, for some of us) weekend?
Whoa. My amdt to sunset 2001 AUMF was adopted in DOD Approps markup! GOP & Dems agree: a floor debate & vote on endless war is long overdue. pic.twitter.com/FS8LfYWo5J
— Rep. Barbara Lee (@RepBarbaraLee) June 29, 2017
satby
Whoa is right! Kudos to Representative Lee!
sharl
That first link in the blockquote needs a complete URL.
As for the story, this blew the minds of a number of leftie youngs and mil-vets I follow; totally unexpected.
We’ll see if it goes anywhere.
ETA: derp – just saw the link in the first tweet goes to the right place, which is here.
p.a.
This is one act taken up by the McConnell/Pence Regency I can get behind.
Baud
Rachel covered this last night. Tim Kaine has been pushing this in the Senate for a long time also. This is a nice bit of good news. Kudos to Lee.
dmsilev
So, that “voter fraud” commission is off to a great start. Via TPM,
? Martin
CA is working hard for all of us. Oakland has done well keeping her in office.
Hkedi [Kang T. Q.]
I posted this in the last thread, but it’s much more appropriate here. Remember a few weeks ago Cheryl Rofer started a thread with a glovebox that had plutonium ingots placed together in violation of so many safety procedures up at Los Alamos? The magazine Science has a much more detailed write up on what happened as well as some of the internal fallout of the picture.
article link here
NCSteve
Now if only they could take the nuclear football away from him.
I have this hope that they pulled out the real codes and substituted an old set that are no longer valid but look authentic, but I have no evidence to support it.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@dmsilev: Supposed even Kansas Sec of State who runs the comission won’t even comply with his own demand. I think we are way over thinking these Conservatards
Patricia Kayden
I’m proud of Lee because she was the only Rep to vote against the Act from the get go. It’s great when politicians have principles and stick by them no matter what. She is a hero.
SiubhanDuinne
@Hkedi [Kang T. Q.]:
You couldn’t find a different word?
kindness
I remember when many in the media, in the Republican side and sadly too many on the Democratic side were calling Barbara Lee treasonous for her vote.
Today she rocked it.
low-tech cyclist
Saw this yesterday evening in time to call Rep. Lee’s district office in CA before they closed to ask them to pass along my sincere thanks to the Congresswoman.
Still amazed. Was starting to think this damned thing would never go away, now there’s a fighting chance.
Major Major Major Major
Unvarnished good news for once, I think.
Cue the usual suspects telling me how this will never pass the senate.
Tonight I’m finishing the submission form for “on the road” pictures for y’all. My husband leaves for a vacation tonight (his company cashed his sabattical benefit out early) so I’ll be free to be as antisocial as I want for the rest of the weekend. College friends and video games and drawing comics it is!
Might also see Baby Driver.
d58826
Saw the video last night on MSNBC. It was a voice vote and it sounded unanimous
Cheryl Rofer
Here’s the current count of states refusing to give their voter info to Kobach:
Cheryl Rofer
@Hkedi [Kang T. Q.]: Interesting. That’s the full Center for Public Integrity article. I’ve never seen Science do that before.
So my comments remain the same except for wondering what is up at Science magazine.
Omnes Omnibus
@Cheryl Rofer: It is nice to see WI on a good list again.
Jeffro
@NCSteve:
They’d do better to just put a Slinky in there…I hear they’re fun!
Barring that, perhaps an iPad with some reruns of Morning Blow, back when they used to kiss his ass? That’d keep him in a blissed out fugue state for days…
dmsilev
@Cheryl Rofer: Someone compiled a Google doc listing the current status for all of the states (+DC). So far, it’s all either “go jump in a lake (or the Gulf of Mexico)” or “only stuff that’s already public information”.
TS
Just reading the last thread – my life always runs late – and noticed there and elsewhere, many have decided Trump is not well – maybe has a mental illness.
Given he is a white male this is the standard excuse. If he was black or female he would not be given the “mental illness” defense. The guy is dumb and stupid – who hates on anyone who is not bowing before him. He thought the job was about being the King and calling the serfs to do his bidding. He found out otherwise, but decided he liked his way better. He knows nothing about the job, is incapable of learning about the job & no-one competent wants to work for him (He allows no-one to work “with him”).
He will love having all or any of his authorities invoked. He much prefers others to make the decisions while he plays golf, sends tweets and watches TV.
Major Major Major Major
@Cheryl Rofer: What the hell is Colorado doing? Boo.
Miss Bianca
@Omnes Omnibus: @Cheryl Rofer: I’m finding myself oddly in sympathy with the honorable SOS of Mississippi, and find myself wishing that the honorable SOS of CO had managed something similar:
Cheryl Rofer
@Major Major Major Major: Contact the governor and Secretary of State!
burnspbesq
priceless.
http://www.sos.ms.gov/About/Pages/Press-Release.aspx?pr=800
Miss Bianca
@Major Major Major Major: Re-posted from previous thread:
PhoenixRising
Barbara Lee, Mills ’73. The woman who dragged the government majors from my class through her office by our ears, so we’d understand what we were getting into. (The degradation of our social norms since dictates that I mention this was metaphorical.)
Cheryl Rofer
ruemara
I kinda wish all I had to think about was the latest in King Drumpf’s disasters. My sink backed up yesterday, twice, spewing some fetid skunkwater & stuff all over my kitchen. Turns out it was my neighbors sink backwash from their busted pipes. No kitchen and nearly 24 hours of emailing and calling with absolute silence from the property managers. OMG. This is annoying.I have no kitchen, will have to buy foods and I’m on a restrictive diet. I am hating my landlord right now.
Major Major Major Major
@Miss Bianca: Hooray!
@TS:
All of these personality traits are accurate, and he’s been that way for a long time! However, it’s also true that in addition to that he’s showing noticeable signs of cognitive decline on top of it all.
debbie
@Cheryl Rofer:
Kobach was interviewed on NPR this afternoon. Either he’s too stupid to know that SS numbers are in fact confidential or he doesn’t care.
debbie
@Omnes Omnibus:
Ohio also. John Husted is a real prick.
Patricia Kayden
@dmsilev: @Miss Bianca: When you’ve lost Mississippi ….
@debbie: He doesn’t care. He wants to suppress votes for Democrats at all costs. Democrats need to file a lawsuit about whether this data grab is constitutional.
Patricia Kayden
@Omnes Omnibus: Quite shocking given how odious the Governor is and how much he is in the Koch Brothers’ pocket. .
debbie
@Patricia Kayden:
Or fine Kobach more than a measly $1,000.
debbie
@ruemara:
You’re not being too polite when you call, are you? My building has 6 townhouses. My neighbors with a newborn baby thought it wouldn’t be a problem to flush paper towels (the building has low water pressure to begin with). The entire building’s sewage backed up into my basement (not a whole lot, but it was very stinky). The tone in my voice when I called maintenance resulted in speedy service that same day.
Be tough.
Roger Moore
@NCSteve:
And use it to beat him around the head and shoulders.
Major Major Major Major
@debbie:
¿Porque no los dos?
Chyron HR
Can we not call it a “voter fraud commission” since that implies that voter fraud exists?
Maybe just split the difference and say “fraud commission”.
d58826
FSM These people are unbelievable
Mrs Yurtle say he is new to politics and as a citizen he is entitled to say what he does.
And Kellyanne says well its sorta ok because he is being attacked in public and he is a counter puncher.
After pulling teeth they finally said well they didn’t agree with the actual wording. The thing is – most of the attacks are political. It goers with the territory. And for the personnel stuff
remember birth certificates. And now the GOPER talking head is quoting Michelle. Joy Reid is asking the GOOPER about what is Der Fuhrer’s position on the healthcare bill. And her answer was ah well ah well ah the democrats should reach across the aisle and compromise.
Major Major Major Major
@Chyron HR: I was trying to come up with something clever like that, but I had to give up.
debbie
@Major Major Major Major:
Parce que cela signifierait qu’il y avait de la place dans la tête pour de nombreuses pensées, que nous savons être fausses.
Major Major Major Major
@debbie: Ich spreche kein Französisch, und mein erst Urteil war auf Spanisch…
SiubhanDuinne
O/T for Alain if you’re around: The up and down arrows keep appearing and disappearing arbitrarily, and when they do appear, they don’t work.
Assume you are working your magic behind the scenes, but if not then there’s a bit of a hiccup that needs attention at some point.
I’m on iPad Air, Safari, Desktop.
ruemara
@debbie: I’m pretty polite but in this case I’ve called so much. But I’m about to have my friend lawyer send a letter to the owner. A girl has no kitchen, then an owner has no rent.
The Simp in the Suit
@Chyron HR:
How about “Fraudulent Presidential Fraudulent Commission”
rikyrah
@dmsilev:
That is literally on the website ???
Turgidson
@Baud:
All it took was the tainted election of an unhinged, ignorant wannabe fascist with the attention span of a fruit fly and a temperament most toddlers would find distasteful for it to get through the thick, thick skulls of most of our Congressfreaks that maybe this was an idea worth considering. The system works!!
? ?? Goku (aka Junior G-Man) ? ?
@Cheryl Rofer: Awesome! I guess Kasich is good for something!
Sab
@debbie: My first French teacher was Madame Garcia. She always laughed when I screwed up in class by answering her French questions in Spanish. I had just moved from Florida and didn’t know any French yet.
different-church-lady
Next step: take away his nukes.
debbie
@Major Major Major Major:
1. My only Spanish was in fourth grade … predating the Conquistadors. ;)
2. That was Google Translate. All I remember from high school French is “Mon livre est sur le table,” which seemed inappropriate.
Ohio Mom
@ruemara: That happened to me once but I was out of town. Came home to dried out skunk water. My landlord was not very helpful, either. I feel for you.
debbie
@ruemara:
Absolutely. At the very least, you shouldn’t have to pay the full amount. A kitchen is as essential as heat or hot water, and it’s the landlord’s responsibility to provide that in exchange for your rent. Check your lease.
No Drought No More
I submit that Lee’s success is due in large part to the realization shared by Americans that they were big-lied into waging the 2003 war in Iraq – despite that fact remains a taboo truth and unspoken by republicans and democratic politicians alike (and by my political lights anyway, inexplicably unspoken).
NotMax
@ruemara
First, I am not a lawyer.
Second, it is always better to put the rent into an escrow account as opposed to not paying it (and make note that that is what you are doing in the certified letter).
Third, check with a lawyer with experience in landlord-tenant matters before doing anything.
Major Major Major Major
@Sab: I know two languages fairly well other than English, and any time I try to speak a third it first, and uselessly, forms as one of them in my brain. Double uselessly, really, since one of them is Latin.
Omnes Omnibus
@Patricia Kayden: Not in his power. This kind of thing is handled by the Elections Commission.
? ?? Goku (aka Junior G-Man) ? ?
@? ?? Goku (aka Junior G-Man) ? ?: Of Husted. Couldn’t remember his name
Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism
@dmsilev: Tell the King “Casse toi!”
I’ve been singing that line all day as each refusal comes in.
LesGS
@Sab: Hah! I kept responding to my German teacher in Greek, having just moved from Athens. Fortunately, she knew Greek and laughed as well.
Ohio Mom
@ruemara: If your landlord doesn’t snap to it, you might want to check with your local board of health and/or city hall: not having a working kitchen, let alone a kitchen filled with sewerage, could be a violation of the housing code.
hedgehog the occasional commenter
@Miss Bianca: Agreed.
Sab
@Major Major Major Major: That must do weird things to your word order.
Major Major Major Major
@Sab: the other one is German, so double yes.
Patricia Kayden
@ruemara: ((ruemara)) That’s awful. I would be steaming mad and cussing up a storm at the landlord (and I don’t even cuss). Hope the landlord gets back to you asap. You should find out where you can complain about the landlord’s conduct after this issue has been addressed because 24 hours without a kitchen is not acceptable.
Patricia Kayden
@Chyron HR: Voter Suppression Commission.
Mnemosyne
@ruemara:
California still has pretty good tenant protection laws, so check into that aspect of it. They are NOT permitted to leave you with a non-working sink.
Timurid
No epic Friday dump for us…
Sab
@ruemara: Yikes, especially going into a holiday weekend.
schrodingers_cat
@TS: Agreed, I don’t buy this mental illness BS. He bloody well knows what he is doing.
efgoldman
@p.a.:
I doubt that Yertle McTurtle lets it see the light of day in the senate. I mean, what’s in it for him?
Also, AUMF or no, if “the president” orders troops to go somewhere and shoot at somebody, they’re going and shooting.
schrodingers_cat
@Major Major Major Major: Which ones? I can speak two other languages besides English and understand several more.
lamh36
Evening peeps…
So…Lesson learned…don’t listen to Rhythm Nation while in the shower ??? i didn’t have an “I’ve fallen and i can’t get up moment” but i did have to stop myself from dancing !!!
https://youtu.be/OAwaNWGLM0c
Major Major Major Major
@schrodingers_cat: German and Latin.
Saw a bus ad for mcdonalds in Hindi the other day, thought that was interesting.
lamh36
Day 1 of my 5 day work break…cleaned the apartment from wall to wall…realized this place is too small for it to get as scattered with junk as it gets…
So goal for next 5 days and on…keep the apartment straightened up.
I even washed & dried & folded all the dirty clothes in the house!
Yay…me!
schrodingers_cat
@Major Major Major Major: I thought you knew Sanskrit, Hindi has the same script.
schrodingers_cat
@lamh36: How are the new chairs working out?
SiubhanDuinne
@Timurid:
….and we are disappoint.
Ruckus
@lamh36:
Can you be talked into doing my place? I’d really appreciate it.
Major Major Major Major
@schrodingers_cat: I know, that’s why I was sure it was Hindi and not something else.
I studied Sanskrit in college but I certainly wouldn’t claim to ‘know’ it. I’ve studied many languages actually.
Patricia Kayden
@Omnes Omnibus: Ok. Thanks. That’s actually a bit reassuring to know.
Aleta
@ruemara: For the next call, calmly say that if they don’t have someone there fixing it by x o’clock (your choice) you will send a report to the state attorney general, the local BBB, the dept of health and whatever tenants organization applies. Mention the health risk caused by the damage and the expense of eating out and the restricted diet.
Mnemosyne
So since I’ve already reached my RDA for Sick of Trump, what’s everyone doing this weekend? I’m taking Monday off so I have a four-day weekend ahead of me. G and I may finally go see Wonder Woman since it’s still at the theater with reclining seats.
lamh36
@schrodingers_cat: New chairs are great…I never use them…lol. I prefer the sofa…but when the sis and Zoe come over, Zoe loves that she can climb on them
lamh36
@Ruckus: Shiiid… I barely want to do my own, that’s why the tiny apartment gets so cluttered…lol.
If I didn’t consider it a waste of money, takes only a few hours to straighten up, I’d be so lazy and pay someone to clean while I’m at work…lol
gene108
@No Drought No More:
Despite all the lies to get authority to go to war Bush had already succeeded in getting a long standing international goal achieved: Getting Saddam to let inspectors back in.
If they were serious about WMD’s, they succeeded in mitigating the threat in October 2002.
They had won the WMD point.
The Congressional vote had paved the way for this success.
But that wasn’t good enough for Bush. He and he alone had the authority at the time to start the war.
It was solely his decision to enter a pointless war, even though he won the day on why he wanted the authority in October.
jl
Not quite in Harry Reid, or John Dingell league yet, but pretty good journeyperson work. Hope he keeps up the progress.
The TPM link in the tweet is amusing.
Chuck Schumer
@SenSchumer
Thanks to Kris Kobach for refusing to comply with Kris Kobach’s voter suppression request.
https://twitter.com/SenSchumer/status/880915832876015616
Ruckus
@lamh36:
Well no harm in asking.
But I figured as much. Plus the commute would be a bit much.
chris
@Major Major Major Major: Semper ubi sub ubi. Four years of high school Latin and that’s all I remember.
Baud
@jl: That’s awesome.
efgoldman
@Patricia Kayden:
Or tell the asshole: “Hey, asshole. All that information is in public records. If you want it, send an army of interns out to EACH county or municipality and let them get it the old fashioned way.
Oh, by the way, that’s $14.95/page, under our state FOIA laws.”
Fuckem
Baud
@gene108: Agree completely.
Sab
schrodinger’s_cat:
How many alphabets do you know? (I know ‘alphabet’ is too limited but can’t think of the broader-meaning word).
dmsilev
@Mnemosyne: Flying out tomorrow to visit my parents. Preplanned trip, but turned out to be good timing since father went through partial hip replacement surgery today (side effect of chemo is neuropathy, which lead to a fall a few weeks ago, and it wasn’t diagnosed as a cracked femur until a few days ago). Surgery went well, but rehab will be a long road. And thankfully the damn tumor appears to be dead.
J R in WV
@Aleta:
Rent now due is minus days of daily rent due since utility failure, minus cost of laundry outside apartment, minus cost of meals outside apartment. All of which adds up fast.
Daily repost of current standard payments versus current payments adjusted for utility failure.
jl
@Baud:
” That’s awesome. ”
You are welcome. All right thinking sensible people are longing for the day that they can bask in the glory of Housorial, Senatorial, Gubernatorial, or PRESIDENTIAL tweets from the Right Honourable Baud.
Edit: but I guess if needed, we can settle for veep. You could be the Biden’s Biden in that spot.
NotMax
Woo-hoo! New computer mouse arrived today.
(Will take good news in any size.)
Baud
@jl: Trump has claimed Twitter. Maybe I’ll use Snapchat.
lamh36
jl
@chris: wini widi wiki! I didn’t know that the Roman’s had wikipedia. Who wudda thunk? I gotta figure out how to wini widi the Wikipedia. I just read it now.
trollhattan
@Mnemosyne:
Think I’m at Trump! LD50.
Baud
@lamh36: Tides go in, tides go out. You can’t explain that…to Trump.
jl
@Baud: Yeah, I’d advise shapchat for you. Glad you have some good advisers on board.
Does it have video yet? I don’t think still pics can capture all the Presidential snorts, tokes, swigs, staggers, dry heaves and spills that a Baud presidency will produce.
Edit: except the sign on your desk that says ‘The buck doesn’t stop here… and why don’t you mind your own damn business, buddy?” would make a good still.
Gelfling 545
@Major Major Major Major: And according to people like Scarborough, the viciousness is new.
?BillinGlendaleCA
They’re doing another meetup for a bird shoot at Sepulveda basin, while I don’t usually do mornings, it might be some good practice.
SiubhanDuinne
@dmsilev:
The only good tumor is a dead tumor.
Glad to hear it. May it be ever thus.
Baud
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
Maybe Dick Cheney will be there. Watch out for your face.
Mnemosyne
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
I’m trying to figure out a good day for the Huntington and see the Octavia Butler exhibit. At least it’s not supposed to be 106 again this weekend.
Baud
@jl: I’m confident my account will be hacked often…or so I will claim.
Cheryl Rofer
schrodingers_cat
@Sab: Two. Latin/Roman and Devnagari, also Greek (because of my physics background) but not the language
TriassicSands
@dmsilev
Clearly, in his short time in office Genralissimo Trumpsky has earned a great deal of respect among members of both parties. I have no doubt he is universally considered a terrible waste of raw materials. It’s too bad the majority of Republicans in Congress will pretend he’s not the worthless sack of flacid semi-humanity that he is just so they can try to use him to pass a horrific agenda.
Question: how many female Republican representatives and Senators would make a conscious effort to avoid beig touched in any way (handshake, pat on the back, etc.) by the Pussy Grabber? I wonder if any would go to the lengths that I’ve seen some Chinese citizens (attending an American college or university) go to in order to avoid having a clueless American touch them? It might be fun to see.
jl
@Baud: No problems. You’ve long ago established Trumpan levels of credibility. No one can say you didn’t diligently prepare for the office.
schrodingers_cat
@Baud: Gravity. The same thing that makes his jowls sag.
Baud
@schrodingers_cat:
आप होशियार हो
Iowa Old Lady
Mr IOL’s mother died yesterday at age 100. She lived alone and drove until she was 95. We all should have such a good run. I lift a glass to her.
Baud
@Iowa Old Lady: Condolences. That’s a good run.
Baud
@Cheryl Rofer: Now we know where the fraudsters are!
Omnes Omnibus
@Iowa Old Lady: Condolences.
Major Major Major Major
@J R in WV: hey, I sent you an email, did you get it?
@Iowa Old Lady: oh no! Condolences indeed.
the Conster, la Citoyenne
@Mnemosyne:
Good plan.
dmsilev
@Mnemosyne: The Butler exhibit was very nice. Definitely worth making some time for to see.
debbie
@Iowa Old Lady:
Sorry for your loss, but I’d bet she had quite a life!
dmsilev
@SiubhanDuinne:
Yes, definitely.
It’s been a stressful 6 months or so, to put it mildly.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
@Sab: A few years ago, I arrived blearily in De Gaulle airport after an overnight flight, went up to a cafe in the airport, and found myself unable to pull out the most basic French from my brain. Some phrase or other with the word “leche” popped out. The server immediately decided I was a Spaniard and proceeded to conduct the rest of the transaction in “my” language with obvious pride, despite the fact that after a few seconds my French did start coming back to me.
These kind of multilingual experiences are among the most treasured of my European memories.
Baud
Excellent opening by Maddow.
SiubhanDuinne
@Iowa Old Lady:
No matter how old, it’s always a loss; no matter how expected, it’s always a shock. Sounds as though IOLMIL had a great life. Hope her transition was easy and peaceful. Rest and peace to her, condolences to Mr. IOL, and hugs and love to all who knew and cherished her.
Sab
@schrodingers_cat: The jackals are a much more interesting bunch than I could ever hope to meet in a neighborhood bar or coffeehouse.
TriassicSands
@Patricia Kayden:
I’m not sure that’s a good idea. We might not like the decision the current SCOTUS would deliver. And then it would be set in constitutional stone — removable, but not easily. Since we’re not likely to have a sane Court majority for some years to come, it might be better if the majority of states render the exercise meaningless by refusing to cooperate and leave it at that.
schrodingers_cat
@Baud: शुक्रिया
the Conster, la Citoyenne
@Baud:
She’s bringing it – saying what needs to be said. Laying out the argument.
(((CassandraLeo)))
Regarding the shitgibbon, I think a credible case could be made that he qualifies as a clinical narcissist (more specifically, a malignant narcissist), and there are obvious signs of cognitive decline merely since last year, much less over the decades. Read his interviews in the ’80s or ’90s; they display a fluency of language that is simply absent from his modern-day word salad. I’m also fairly certain he has undiagnosed ADHD, and I’m saying this as a person who has ADHD themselves.
None of this is to imply he shouldn’t be considered culpable for his actions. But there’s a reasonable case to be made for mental illness, I think.
schrodingers_cat
@Sab: Aww, thanks!
frosty
@Ceci n est pas mon nym:
My best was answering a clerk in a shop in Spain: “Ja, uh … Oui! .. uh … Si!”
All but the Spanish are gone gone gone.
TriassicSands
@Iowa Old Lady:
My condolences. A century. Wow.
In 2010 only 0.0173% of Americans lived to reach 100.
schrodingers_cat
@frosty: I have had random people come up to me (almost always women, asking about the time, or where a particular gate was etc) and start speaking in Spanish at airports, over here and in Europe too! Must learn Spanish.
frosty
@SiubhanDuinne:
Not always. For me, after 10 years of Parkinson’s my dad’s end was a relief, not a shock. It ended 10 years of losing him piece by piece every time we visited, until there was nothing left. Then we had to go through the same thing again with my mother’s dementia.
Sab
@Iowa Old Lady: I am so sorry for you.
Amazing changes she saw in her life. 1917 to 2017. Cars, antibiotics, radio, television.
Also the Depression and a World War. I’m guessing ( perhaps wrongly) that she didn’t notice the internet.
And through all that , a family.
eclare
@Iowa Old Lady: I will too, my condolences.
schrodingers_cat
@Iowa Old Lady: May she RIP.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Iowa Old Lady: Condolences.
Major Major Major Major
@frosty: In college I studied a number of dead Germanic languages, mostly Old Norse. I did a summer in Iceland doing an intensive language course at one point. Since I’d been doing Old Norse for a while, my pronunciation was pretty good (Icelandic is basically 12th-century Norwegian with new vocabulary) but not my conversation skills. So this is on the first few days there, I go into a public bathroom and ask the attendant in English if I can use the bathroom. He asks me something in Icelandic and I say in Icelandic “I don’t speak Icelandic”, pronouncing it well remember. He looks at me like I must be joking and says something, and I say, “no really, I don’t speak ANY Icelandic!” He just sort of threw up his hands and gave me the key.
frosty
@Iowa Old Lady: My condolences also. And more power to her, driving at 95! As @Sab said, that particular century had more changes than any other I can think of.
Mnemosyne
@dmsilev:
Brachiator (who’s also local) was raving about how good it was. I just have to get myself over there.
They do very good literary exhibitions there. The Charles Bukowski one gave me a completely different view of his work. Plus it turned out that he loved cats, as all right-thinking people do, especially writers. I bet Orson Scott Card hates cats.
grillo
Tumbrels being such a common theme here, I wonder how difficult it would be to get one of our charming congress people to, in all seriousness, propose that the US adopt the ferme générale as a tax policy. It seems like a logical next step! It could probably garner some enthusiasm.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Mnemosyne: We missed it on our last visit, madame was tired so the only thing we saw was the Chinese and Japanese gardens and the European Art.
schrodingers_cat
@Major Major Major Major: Hah my Sanskrit is like that. My pronunciation is quite good unless I am enunciating something at a rapid clip, my tongue just doesn’t twist that rapidly! Of course, conversation skills are nil and understanding is sub-par.
Major Major Major Major
@Mnemosyne: I have a smallish book that’s pictures of artists with their cats. Cover has Dali being characteristically odd.
Mnemosyne
@Iowa Old Lady:
My condolences. I have a pretty good shot at becoming centenarian (sp?) since the women on both sides of my family are very long-lived. I just have to dodge dementia.
frosty
@schrodingers_cat: I don’t have any helpful hints for learning Spanish. I picked it up here and there with a couple of classes after high school and on some travels. It didn’t really stick until I spent six weeks in Bolivia where no one speaks anything else (well, Aymara on the altiplano). I was working on a computer course in the evenings, too, and finally learned all the prepositions.
I figured I’d graduated when in the last week or so I told a joke to a cab driver and he laughed.
Mnemosyne
@Sab:
I have an acquaintance who is 107 who loves her iPad and spends her days at the Motion Picture Home showing all of the other oldsters how to work the Internet. She’s a pistol.
lamh36
Oooh…never watched the first two seasons, but I may just have to catch this season out!!!
Miss Bianca
@Iowa Old Lady: A good run indeed. I’ll raise a glass to Mrs. Mr. IOL!
Sab
@Major Major Major Major: That’s hilarious. My baby sister was a linguistics major, and did her junior year abroad in Denmark . She learned some Danish, which we all thought was useless, but whatever. Then many years later, when she was employed by a Swiss company in the US, they sent her to the home office, and she discovered that Danish was closed to Swiss German than German German is.
Iowa Old Lady
Thanks for all the good will. We do feel sad but she had an easy end. I wish the same for all of us.
eclare
@lamh36: The first season was really well done, and it was set in Louisiana. Have heard mixed reviews about the second, never watched that.
schrodingers_cat
@Mnemosyne: His novels are racist and xenophobic.and stupid too. One of his Ender’s series had an Indian subplot. It was clear to me that the man had never even looked at the map of India.
Mnemosyne
@Major Major Major Major:
I’ve mentioned it before, but what completely changed my mind about Bukowski at that exhibition was that they used a copy of his poem “The History of One Tough Motherfucker”, about one of his favorite cats.
@lamh36:
I was very disappointed that series 2 of “True Detective” did some lame LA Noir plot instead of following the two Black detectives from the first series, as had been rumored. I wonder if that plan fell apart after the writer/co-director got the offer from Amazon to direct his movie with Idris Elba (I think it was Beasts of No Nation, but I may have the title slightly wrong).
Sab
@Mnemosyne: My dad is 92 with dementia. My mother died at 84 with her mind intact and her body basically non-functioning. I love the stories of old people stIill being sharp.The future is scary.
Mnemosyne
@schrodingers_cat:
Sadly, he was right that a majority of white guys in this country think the way he does (present company excepted, of course) and that Trump would win because of it. Now we’re all screwed because white dudes insisted on living in a fantasyland where they knew better than everyone else.
Major Major Major Major
@Sab: yeah, German (‘high’) German is kind of the odd one in the family.
germy
“The Man Who Invented Christmas” directed by Bharat Nalluri is coming out in November.
schrodingers_cat
@Mnemosyne: Reality has a way of catching up with you sooner or later, no matter who you are.
Mnemosyne
Any admins around? Cleanup needed on aisle 165.
Do not engage.
lamh36
I never saw the first one, but I’m still wondering what the hell will the Top Gun sequel even be about?
germy
Speaking of Dan Stevens, I read yesterday they’re planning a movie version of Downton Abbey. Since they killed off his character on the TV series, I suppose if he appears it’ll have to be in a flashback.
Sab
@schrodingers_cat: Someday, not tonight, I would love to be clobbered by you in a battle about the literary merits of Kipling. Not tonight.
germy
@lamh36:
Well, unfortunately there’s no shortage of wars for them to base a script on.
Miss Bianca
@Mnemosyne: Oh, look! Trumphuffer is back!
Major Major Major Major
Mobile pie filter works great!
Mnemosyne
@Miss Bianca:
I’ve emailed Adam. Hopefully he has time to clean up the mess.
germy
The House must have been alarmed by his tweets.
Mnemosyne
@Major Major Major Major:
It’s bee-yoo-tiful! Now I only have to read about the debate between cherry and pumpkin pie.
Cheryl Rofer
For those of you looking for a news dump.
Also, the WSJ has some more on that story they published last night.
Omnes Omnibus
@Mnemosyne: Well, 172 just hit the ban triggers.
germy
This has to be the oddest headline of the day:
J R in WV
Major^4
Got your email, replied.
Thanks so much for your work on the filter!!
JR
Mnemosyne
@germy:
It would be kind of awesome if they managed to work in a Muslim woman fighter pilot like the one from UAE.
Also, if Tom Cruise is in it, his character must die at the end of Act II. Screenwriting demands it.
germy
@Cheryl Rofer:
What happens when Fox News calls the WSJ “fake news”? Does this simulation we’ve been under since November end?
Mnemosyne
@Omnes Omnibus:
I don’t know — all I can see is comments about pie. But I have sent a Batsignal to Adam to let him know of our plight.
What I’ve always loved about the pie filter is that you get a new random pie-related comment every time you refresh. Everyone should try it.
Omnes Omnibus
@Mnemosyne: I still don’t use it.
germy
@Mnemosyne:
Chekhov would probably quarrel with the movie studio over their notes.
Bill Arnold
For those into things Russian, a couple of pieces via one of my favorite feeds, Underground Tradecraft
—old (2016/03) and maybe a bit fluffy but still interesting:
Russian Hybrid Warfare and Other Dark Arts
— new (2017/06/25), more interesting that one might think, lots of anecdotes and stories
How Moscow’s Spies Keep Duping America—Over and Over Again
(bold mine)
Baud
@Mnemosyne:
This is the one I got for you.
lamh36
@Cheryl Rofer: Is it this…
Mnemosyne
@Omnes Omnibus:
I only use it for very special situations, and this is one of them. I don’t need to see an escapee from Stormfront vomiting all over the blog.
Major Major Major Major
@lamh36: wasn’t that from this morning or yesterday?
Adam L Silverman
@RS: Back to 4Chan with you.
Jeffro
@germy: @germy:
I know I sound like a Magic 8-Ball here, but “signs point to yes” (simulation is almost over)
If it helps, peeps, picture just how relieved – HOW FUCKING RELIEVED! – we’re all going to be once the Mango Menace is in Manacles and things return to ‘normal’
germy
Adam L Silverman
@Sab: You are a finer commenter than I, Gungadin.
Omnes Omnibus
@Adam L Silverman: There is an amazing amount of crazy in that one.
Mnemosyne
@Adam L Silverman:
Thank you! ?
Jeffro
@Bill Arnold: not being on top makes a country more open to irregular methods of advancing its interests
Omnes Omnibus
@Sab: I’ve never kipled.
lamh36
@lamh36:
Names mentioned: Bannon, Conway, Flynn and Clovis!
Cheryl Rofer
@germy:
I think that will occur when Fox News calls Fox News “fake news.” Not there yet.
efgoldman
@TriassicSands:
27 is a majority.
I doubt that any others will move or announce one way or another over a long holiday weekend.
Mnemosyne
@efgoldman:
I was very heartened to see that even the SoS of Mississippi was like, Not today, Satan!
schrodingers_cat
@Sab: His literary merits are many, it was his politics that I have issue with.
efgoldman
@Mnemosyne:
I love PIE! Worked so well the other night that I just added that nazi asshole klown. All gone!
Adam L Silverman
@germy: Here you go:
https://thinkprogress.org/as-white-house-denials-intensify-growing-public-evidence-of-collusion-with-russia-c0dd40849cf5
Ruckus
@Iowa Old Lady:
That is a long run. Hope it was a good one. RIP.
My mom made 94, and just a couple of days before her 95th. She lived over twice as long as her dad and sister and about 25 more than her mom. She outlived everyone else in her family by about 15-20 yrs. She even out lived her daughter who made it to 66. And she lived about 45 yrs after getting cancer.
There is no rhyme or reason why some last so long and some don’t get close. Her nephew made 6 months. People make it to 100 after drinking and smoking for 80 yrs. We take the ride we are given and hopefully make the best of it.
Adam L Silverman
@Omnes Omnibus: He was special.
Adam L Silverman
@Mnemosyne: De nada.
Adam L Silverman
@lamh36:
lamh36
Was offline most of the day…first cause I was sleeping in late, 2nd cause I was cleaning the house, 3rd cause my cable provider had an internet/cable outage…so…
What did Melania statement say?
Bill Arnold
@germy:
I’m thinking more like beginning of 2016, or maybe a few months earlier, recalling Trump’s rise. Deniable intervention by deity-level beings is another obvious possibility. Won’t guess (out loud) about motivation, though would bet not malicious. :-) (How would you classify the God/Satan wager about Job? Malicious or Not? :-)
Mnemosyne
@Sab:
@schrodingers_cat:
Someone here linked me to this really interesting essay a few years ago: “How to Be A Fan of Problematic Things.” It actually has some good advice for both sides of the debate.
Cheryl Rofer
In other Trump news, I cannot believe that the name of the editor of National Enquirer is Pecker.
Major Major Major Major
@Bill Arnold: there is of course an alternate theory–David Bowie was holding reality together.
Adam L Silverman
@Mnemosyne: Say what you will, but they’re equal opportunity appliers of state’s rights.
Adam L Silverman
@Iowa Old Lady: My sincerest condolences.
Adam L Silverman
@Cheryl Rofer: Actually the owner’s name is Pecker.
Bill Arnold
@Cheryl Rofer:
You won the thread with that IMO. :-)
Cheryl Rofer
@Adam L Silverman: Close enough.
Omnes Omnibus
@Major Major Major Major: Sure, it was the white dude. Why not Prince?
Ruckus
@frosty:
Same with my dad’s Alzheimer’s. At first the little pieces fall away, then bigger and bigger chunks are gone until it’s just a body that won’t fully stop working. And then one day even that stops as well. It was the worst day and yet it wasn’t. You finally get to say goodby. That sounds ghoulish but you’ve been there, that pain and horror finally comes to a close.
efgoldman
@Cheryl Rofer:
OK, you can put your inner 11-year-old back now.
jl
@Adam L Silverman: Seems to me the Flynn, and then next in line, Stone connections are more sinister. There is evidence that they worked with, or discussed possible deals, with people to obtain the emails. The news about Kushner concerns publishing material that was probably already publicly available, or at least was already obtained by hackers and was being shopped around for a forum. I want to keep my eye on the most important issue, which was collaboration of Trump, or close associates, to obtain new information.
I suspect the ‘is collaboration really a crime’ trial balloons the Trumpsters have been floating concern stuff probably done by Flynn and/or Stone, not this news story about Kushner.
jl
@efgoldman:
” OK, you can put your inner 11-year-old back now. ”
But then what would happen to what passes for serious adult discourse on this here miserable lefty blog?
Bill Arnold
@Major Major Major Major:
Yeah, that was touch and go for a few weeks for the universe, but others picked up the slack, they just are rather less picky about credulity stretching, and increasingly so.
(Always the optimist. :-)
Omnes Omnibus
@jl: I doubt it was Flynn. My guess is that he is keeping very quiet at Bobby Three Sticks’s very strong suggestion.
Major Major Major Major
@Omnes Omnibus: oh, sure, pick another pretty face who could sing well. We all know it was really Lemmy.
Mnemosyne
@Cheryl Rofer:
They shortened it from “Peckerwood” when they came over from the old country.
And if it’s not true, it should be.
Omnes Omnibus
Saab update: Insurance adjuster did a preliminary assessment and said he is hopeful about fixing the car. Mechanics won’t be able to get to it until at least Wednesday to get details on the damage.
jl
@Omnes Omnibus: Flynn and Stone’s names are those that appear most often in reports of shady dealings for springing new information that had not been hacked (edit: or phished up) yet. Stone bragged about some of it on twitter. Or am I not recalling all the tangled threads correctly?
Adam L Silverman
Here’s Pwnallthethings post at Lawfare:
https://lawfareblog.com/time-i-got-recruited-collude-russians
Omnes Omnibus
@Major Major Major Major: You’ve successfully outed me as a lookist. I hope you are proud of yourself.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Omnes Omnibus: Good to hear it shall drive another day.
Omnes Omnibus
@jl: I think Flynn is a cooperating witness in Mueller’s investigation and, as such, would be advised to keep his damned mouth shut.
Omnes Omnibus
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Fingers crossed and wood knocked. No guaranties yet. In the meantime, I have a Ford Escape that shuts it engine off at stoplights – that shit disturbs me so I keep disabling it.
gbbalto
@Iowa Old Lady: My condolences AND am glad to hear that she has such a good run!
eclare
@Adam L Silverman: Thank you!
Steve in the ATL
@Omnes Omnibus: cautiously optimistic. I was wondering about that earlier.
Omnes Omnibus
@Steve in the ATL: Yep. I know the car isn’t worth a shitload of money, but I really like it and it has style points.
Amir Khalid
@schrodingers_cat:
I saw the Ender’s Game movie and I was appalled. Ender’s elite military school is Sparta with children’s sci-fi trimmings, a Hogwarts for the homicidal. The adult military officers who run it are deceiving the children into fighting an actual war; this is presented as ethically difficult but ultimately the right thing to do (after all, the humans do win the war and wipe out the enemy alien species). Then I read the book, and yes, this was the author’s concept and not the filmmakers’. I don’t understand how such a vile book became so popular.
Omnes Omnibus
@Amir Khalid: Gone with the Wind.
Origuy
Speaking of books, Amir, I am reading The Marches by Rory Stewart, former MP for the area around the Scottish-English border. It’s about his travel around the Borderland with his father, Brian Stewart. The elder Stewart was a colonial official in Malaya until independence. If you’ve heard of him, I wonder how he’s regarded in Malaysia. He strikes me as one of those competent but arrogant types that Britain used to send around the world.
I picked up the book to read about the Borderland; Rory Steward did a program for the BBC about it. Previously he did a book and a program about walking around Afghanistan.
Amir Khalid
@Origuy:
This Brian Stewart? The name doesn’t ring a bell, sorry. The Emergency was somewhat before my time, and his wasn’t among the prominent names taught to Malaysian schoolkids of my generation (unlike those of James Birch, Sir Henry Gurney and General Sir Gerald Templer). The orang putih brought in a whole corps of people like him — able civil servants, sure, but trained to regard as children the nations they were imposed on, same as they did in India and Africa and Ireland.
Gvg
@Amir Khalid: actually, at the time, that was the plot twist and Ender was shocked and lost when he found out. That seemed at the time to be the authors intent, to make people think by showing them what could happen if they didn’t think. Ender in the sequels was drifting for years with politicians trying to use his fame (including his biological brother). Then he found a purpose in trying to revive and understand the race he had killed. I don’t remember how, but he did find a lost colony of them, and became their protector using his strategic skills. I did not see the movie but I suspect they muddled the book. It was always pretty clear that the adults using the kids were the bad guys.
Scott revealed his bad side decades later and later series seemed quite different. I quit reading him long ago. My childhood science fiction reading often did that kind of thought experiment and I think it improved me but looking back, some of the authors could have used their own lessons.
Origuy
@Amir Khalid: That’s the one, yeah, and you’re spot on about the paternalism.