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You are here: Home / Economics / C.R.E.A.M. / Open Thread: He Wants to Be the Villain in A Hit Bruce Springsteen Song

Open Thread: He Wants to Be the Villain in A Hit Bruce Springsteen Song

by Anne Laurie|  July 2, 20178:19 pm| 145 Comments

This post is in: C.R.E.A.M., Open Threads, Republican Venality, Assholes, Go Fuck Yourself

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BREAKING: Government shutdown in NJ due to bitter political stalemate in Christie's final yr. State parks CLOSED for start of July 4th wknd.

— Matt Katz (@mattkatz00) July 1, 2017

This is one of the biggest weekends of the year for shore town economies and the governor is holding them hostage to hold a pissing contest pic.twitter.com/BQMADQkvgn

— Kate Aronoff (@KateAronoff) July 1, 2017

Who knew that the man who may end up destroying the northeastern transportation network would injure the NJ economy out of spite https://t.co/1ABrE36IZC

— Scott Lemieux (@LemieuxLGM) July 1, 2017

He is banking everything on that sports radio show, isn't he? https://t.co/xC10mhytGd

— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) July 1, 2017

When you’re as thirsty as Crispie Christie, even negative attention is better than no attention at all…

Christie spent night with family in shuttered Island Beach State Park https://t.co/2h2YkFhXfY via @ryanhutchins pic.twitter.com/eRxScz86he

— POLITICO (@politico) July 2, 2017

Gov. Chris Christie joined his family at a state-owned retreat in Island Beach State Park on Saturday night, less than 24 hours after ordering the closure of all state parks and beaches because of the budget impasse in Trenton.

The governor addressed members of the Legislature about the stalemate on Saturday and then left the capital for the park, a spokesman confirmed Sunday morning.

Christie, his wife, his children and their guests have the run of the 10-mile barrier island, where police are turning away all others visitors over the long holiday weekend.

During a news conference in Trenton, Christie said it was his right to stay in the park even if no one else can visit.

“That’s because the governor has a residence at Island Beach. Others don’t,” Christie said on Saturday, the first day of the state shutdown. “It’s just the way it goes. Run for governor and then you can have the residence.”…

The property is guarded by state police, who are not subject to the shutdown order. The governor has a personal security detail that follows him everywhere he goes….

As they say in Asbury Park: Christ, what an asshole.

ETA:

Christie ordered beaches closed down due to a gov shutdown. Today, he and his family enjoyed a state beach alone https://t.co/8zBkkShcBn pic.twitter.com/xpLQynT18r

— Yashar Ali (@yashar) July 2, 2017

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145Comments

  1. 1.

    Baud

    July 2, 2017 at 8:21 pm

    I blame Democratic hubris.

  2. 2.

    sherparick

    July 2, 2017 at 8:22 pm

    A big, fat middle finger, saying “You voted for me twice, suckers!!” Another lesson learned, no matter how bad the Democrat (John Corzine), the Republican will always be worse.

  3. 3.

    PaulWartenberg

    July 2, 2017 at 8:22 pm

    even the Republicans in the state lege should just vote a veto-proof budget over Christie’s stupid bullying arse.

  4. 4.

    Baud

    July 2, 2017 at 8:24 pm

    @sherparick: This lesson needs to be learned.

  5. 5.

    efgoldman

    July 2, 2017 at 8:26 pm

    Hasn’t Governor Mucilage shut a bunch of things down in Maine for the same reason?
    I don’t know if he shut the state parks for the holiday weekend, but it’s exactly the kind of spiteful thing he’d do.

  6. 6.

    PsiFighter37

    July 2, 2017 at 8:26 pm

    Kim Guadagno probably isn’t a fan of this move. Lulz

  7. 7.

    Uncle Cosmo

    July 2, 2017 at 8:27 pm

    State park crammed with a broken zero
    On a last-gasp power trip…

  8. 8.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    July 2, 2017 at 8:31 pm

    Did he not undergo weight loss surgery of some type? Doesn’t seem to have taken. I don’t say this to fat shame. Trey Gowdy and Louis Gohmert are gaunt and are terrible people.

  9. 9.

    Mike J

    July 2, 2017 at 8:32 pm

    They can show Jaws on a loop. Remember when the politician wanted to keep the beaches open?

  10. 10.

    lurker dean

    July 2, 2017 at 8:33 pm

    the jackass also denied he got any sun. f-ing a-hole.

    http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/07/christie_pictured_at_island_beach_state_park_durin.html

    “At a Sunday news conference on the shutdown, Christie was asked if he got any sun today.
    “I didn’t,” he said. “… I didn’t get any sun today.”
    When later told of the photo, Brian Murray, the governor’s spokesman, said:
    “Yes, the governor was on the beach briefly today talking to his wife and family before heading into the office. He did not get any sun. He had a baseball hat on.”

  11. 11.

    Hungry Joe

    July 2, 2017 at 8:34 pm

    Fictional, James Bond-ish villains revel in their own villainy; real-life bad guys come up with reasons to justify, if only to themselves, their evil deeds. I wonder what story Christie has fashioned for himself this time. I bet it’s a doozy … but then, he’s had a lot of practice.

  12. 12.

    Major Major Major Major

    July 2, 2017 at 8:36 pm

    @Baud: Apparently living under Republican leadership isn’t enough to teach it, though.

  13. 13.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    July 2, 2017 at 8:37 pm

    @Hungry Joe:

    I do appreciate that he largely shivved Boots Rubio in ’16.

  14. 14.

    JPL

    July 2, 2017 at 8:37 pm

    @lurker dean: What was on the baseball cap? Maybe it was MAGA.

  15. 15.

    Iowa Old Lady

    July 2, 2017 at 8:38 pm

    I was just reading on facebook that the artist who did the cover for my middle grade novel worked on the My Little Pony movie coming out in the fall. Cool.

  16. 16.

    MomSense

    July 2, 2017 at 8:38 pm

    @efgoldman:

    It’s only a partial shit down so all the state parks are open. We are currently overrun with cars with Jersey plates.

  17. 17.

    Gin & Tonic

    July 2, 2017 at 8:38 pm

    @lurker dean: It would have to be the world’s largest baseball hat to shade that pig.

  18. 18.

    Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.)

    July 2, 2017 at 8:39 pm

    I guess people in New Jersey can’t wait to see the back of this guy. What an asshole. I don’t understand why so many voters seem to be taken with the idea of electing assholes. I guess they think assholes are less likely to take any shit. I don’t know if that’s true or not, but one thing about assholes, they hand out a whole lot of shit. Maybe people will learn something this time.

  19. 19.

    Ruckus

    July 2, 2017 at 8:39 pm

    What gets me is that Crispy is by no means the worst of the lot. For sure he’s horrible but not even close to the worst.
    He wasn’t bad enough for drumpf. Think about that for a moment if you have the stomach.

  20. 20.

    Wag

    July 2, 2017 at 8:41 pm

    Sandy, that State Park I was hoping to see lost its appeal for me
    I tried to make camping reservations last week , but Christie won’t let have a fire this warm 4th of July night

  21. 21.

    El Caganer

    July 2, 2017 at 8:41 pm

    @MomSense: Actually, Chubs Chubbie shits down all the time. All over the state, too.

  22. 22.

    Baud

    July 2, 2017 at 8:41 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Ain’t that the truth!

  23. 23.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 2, 2017 at 8:42 pm

    During a news conference in Trenton, Christie said it was his right to stay in the park even if no one else can visit.

    “That’s because the governor has a residence at Island Beach. Others don’t,” Christie said on Saturday, the first day of the state shutdown. “It’s just the way it goes. Run for governor and then you can have the residence.”…

    The utter and contemptible arrogance of this guy.

    @MomSense:

    It’s only a partial shit down

    I saw what you did there.

  24. 24.

    Robin Gittelman

    July 2, 2017 at 8:42 pm

    @lurker dean: Um . . . Not for nothing (and I’m fat too) but that baseball cap didn’t shade his whole body.

  25. 25.

    p.a.

    July 2, 2017 at 8:42 pm

    Kansas successfully exiled its head vampire (leaving the sub vamps in the state lege of course). Landing spots for Crispy? St. Helena have a consulate?

  26. 26.

    NotMax

    July 2, 2017 at 8:43 pm

    Dragged the infamous traffic cones out of storage to block the entrances?

  27. 27.

    lurker dean

    July 2, 2017 at 8:44 pm

    @JPL: that would have been good, considering how publicly trump castrated christie.

  28. 28.

    Ruckus

    July 2, 2017 at 8:44 pm

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.):
    You’d think people might just learn a bit. But no, they reelect the guy in KS. The reelect this guy. Maybe conservative dogma is about turning the learning curve into a circle. Keep coming back for more shit. Like one of the Monty Python upper class twits.

  29. 29.

    MomSense

    July 2, 2017 at 8:46 pm

    @El Caganer:

    Sleudian frip.

  30. 30.

    MomSense

    July 2, 2017 at 8:47 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    My dog the political situation has caused my auto correct to assume swears first.

  31. 31.

    NotMax

    July 2, 2017 at 8:49 pm

    Annual repetition. Because it’s that good.

    Universe’s best (non-mayo) potato salad.

  32. 32.

    CZanne

    July 2, 2017 at 8:50 pm

    @West of the Rockies (been a while): He’s lost about 100 pounds — that’s clearly visible. But 1) I’m going to assume that his microbiome is fubar’ed. It often is, with his history and high stress. Getting down from a BMI in the upper 40s to 50s to the thirties is absolutely success, and for that, he deserves praise. It’s hard work, it’s painful, and it’s not magic.

    2) surgery doesn’t fix obsessive, emotional or compulsive eating. It just makes it more difficult. That takes a commitment to cognitive therapy work, and that is something people like him won’t take on.

  33. 33.

    Mike in NC

    July 2, 2017 at 8:52 pm

    Where are the Great White Sharks when you really need them?

  34. 34.

    NotMax

    July 2, 2017 at 8:53 pm

    @NotMax

    Heh. Wrong thread. Gonna repost downstairs..

  35. 35.

    El Caganer

    July 2, 2017 at 8:54 pm

    And we’ll always have this to remember him by: http://makeagif.com/gif/chris-christies-seductive-dance-t0deN5

  36. 36.

    Lurking Canadian

    July 2, 2017 at 8:55 pm

    @Ruckus: That’s what I was thinking, too. You can’t just refer to “That overweight, thin-skinned, Republican loudmouth who abuses reporters in public”. You have to specify which one.

    I do not understand people who vote for Republicans. How do you grow to adulthood having completely missed the fundamental “Dos” and “Don’ts” of living in a society? Were none of them Boy Scouts? Did they never watch Sesame Street?

  37. 37.

    NotMax

    July 2, 2017 at 8:55 pm

    @Mike in NC

    Make white sharks great again.

  38. 38.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 2, 2017 at 8:57 pm

    @Lurking Canadian:

    Were none of them Boy Scouts? Did they never watch Sesame Street?

    Or Mister Rogers, FFS?

  39. 39.

    Chet Murthy

    July 2, 2017 at 8:58 pm

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.): Must correct: *male* assholes. Let a woman be even a mite difficult-to-deal-with, and she’s a harpy. Beyond the pale. A witch.

    ETA: Oh, and “difficult-to-deal-with” == “doesn’t do everything the Rs dream of”.

  40. 40.

    Major Major Major Major

    July 2, 2017 at 8:59 pm

    @NotMax: you had to put it here too because it’s that good.

  41. 41.

    efgoldman

    July 2, 2017 at 8:59 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    The utter and contemptible arrogance of this guy.

    When shittier shitheads are made, RWNJs will be them.

  42. 42.

    Villago Delenda Est

    July 2, 2017 at 8:59 pm

    Until voters stop voting for these assholes, they’re going to get buggered repeatedly with no reach-around.

    When will they ever learn?

  43. 43.

    NotMax

    July 2, 2017 at 9:01 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne

    Also too, Ding Dong School and Captain Kangaroo. For that matter, even Beany & Cecil or Kukla, Fran and Ollie.

  44. 44.

    Barbara

    July 2, 2017 at 9:01 pm

    How many ways can you give the middle finger to your constituents? As if the GW bridge stunt wasn’t sufficiently contemptuous, he needed to screw them as they were trying to get to work and then again when they were trying to get a few days away.

  45. 45.

    Frankensteinbeck

    July 2, 2017 at 9:03 pm

    @Hungry Joe:
    Real life assholes justify their actions by blaming the victim. Most likely he believes those signs.

    @Ruckus:
    As per above, it is very, very hard to learn from your mistakes if you always blame someone else for them. Conservatives will endure incredible suffering before doing anything except digging in, because their suffering just proves how important it is to make Those People pay.

  46. 46.

    Mnemosyne

    July 2, 2017 at 9:04 pm

    @NotMax:

    As per usual when it comes to matters of taste, we disagree.

  47. 47.

    efgoldman

    July 2, 2017 at 9:04 pm

    @Barbara:

    How many ways can you give the middle finger to your constituents? As if the GW bridge stunt wasn’t sufficiently contemptuous, he needed to screw them as they were trying to get to work

    Term limited as noted above; couldn’t get elected county dog officer now, and he knows it. Why should he give a shit, really?

  48. 48.

    Mnemosyne

    July 2, 2017 at 9:06 pm

    Also, a message for the Juicers who are also writers: there is still room in our Balloon-Juice Camp NaNoWriMo cabin. So far there’s me, Miss Bianca, R-Jud, stinger, and a lurker. If you’d also like to join up for some writing support this month, send me a Gmail at Mnemosyne dot muse.

  49. 49.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    July 2, 2017 at 9:07 pm

    @Mike in NC:

    We’re gonna need a bigger shark….

  50. 50.

    Frankensteinbeck

    July 2, 2017 at 9:08 pm

    @Lurking Canadian:
    I believe they learned that people observe those rules only out of fear. It fits my suspicion that child abuse is the norm, not the exception, in America.

  51. 51.

    NotMax

    July 2, 2017 at 9:10 pm

    @Mnemosyne

    Totally. Balsamic vinegar is an abomination. Tastes like liquified moth flakes. Will not suffer having it in the larder.

  52. 52.

    Josie

    July 2, 2017 at 9:11 pm

    @NotMax: Thank you, sir. You are a gentleman and a scholar.

  53. 53.

    Calming Influence

    July 2, 2017 at 9:11 pm

    “State Parks” are just the thin edge of the wedge to Socialism anyway. We obviously don’t want that, so we should judge Christie’s behavior in the context of how we want our future overlords to behave. I would vote for less hubris, but there probably won’t be a vote.

  54. 54.

    Uncle Cosmo

    July 2, 2017 at 9:15 pm

    @NotMax: I made the mistake of clicking your link. A cup of sugar??? Thanks so fucking much for the insulin spike. Don’t you arseholes here know any diabetics, or do y’all consider killing us off part of the charm of your cuisine??

  55. 55.

    Ladyraxterinok

    July 2, 2017 at 9:16 pm

    The contempt our so-called leaders have for us is so brazen and ‘out there’ now. They no longer feel there is any need to pretend. They think ‘So what? What can you poor slobs do about it?’

  56. 56.

    Mnemosyne

    July 2, 2017 at 9:16 pm

    @NotMax:

    I have drunk some of the milder varieties of balsamic vinegar straight, and enjoyed it. Tastes vary. ?

  57. 57.

    Mnemosyne

    July 2, 2017 at 9:18 pm

    @Uncle Cosmo:

    Go with my recipe! A little vermouth, but no sugar, and the croutons are optional.

  58. 58.

    Ruckus

    July 2, 2017 at 9:18 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck:
    All true but how badly are they suffering? A great number of the people that voted for drumpf don’t seem to be in all that bad of shape, other than maybe in their minds. Their suffering is an awful lot of bullshit and not much else. OK maybe ingesting all that bullshit has given them …… stupid.

  59. 59.

    Calming Influence

    July 2, 2017 at 9:19 pm

    @Mnemosyne: chilled Tabasco is also tasty. Seriously.

  60. 60.

    Kay

    July 2, 2017 at 9:20 pm

    Christie’s another one. He’s mad all the time. Why? My God, what else does he need? He just took a helicopter to the beach. Why is he snarling at people?

    Trump spent the day tweeting and golfing. He’s mad too.

  61. 61.

    Kathleen

    July 2, 2017 at 9:22 pm

    If only Christie had campaigned in Wisconsin.

  62. 62.

    NotMax

    July 2, 2017 at 9:24 pm

    @Uncle Cosmo

    Sweet and sour requires sweet. (It’s a very old Pennsy Dutch recipe, cadged and slightly adjusted from a pamphlet of recipes printed in the 1930s.) Sugar substitute (Stevia or whatever) would probably work as well*.

    Too, it makes a lot of potato salad, so 1 cup for the amount of end product isn’t all that much. One batch lasts me more than a week.

    *although am unfamiliar with cooking using those products, so possible some sort of thickener might have to be added as well to achieve the thick creaminess of the dressing. A soupçon of arrowroot or cornstarch, I suppose.

  63. 63.

    Ruckus

    July 2, 2017 at 9:26 pm

    @Kay:
    They are mad because they don’t have everything.
    OK crispy is probably mad because no one likes him, and he couldn’t even get a job with drumpf.
    drumpf is mad because…… OK he’s just fucking nuts. OK he’s probably mad because life hasn’t worked out exactly the way he pictured it in nursery school. Which for him was last week.

  64. 64.

    Calming Influence

    July 2, 2017 at 9:28 pm

    Republicans think taxes are evil. To show their patriotism, Democrats should stop paying taxes. Since Republicans hold the House, the Senate, and the White House, they can now easily demonstrate how well a tax-free government works.

  65. 65.

    Woodrowfan

    July 2, 2017 at 9:28 pm

    @Ruckus: I wish he were veep instead of Pence. that’s how bad it is.

  66. 66.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 2, 2017 at 9:30 pm

    @Ladyraxterinok:

    The contempt our so-called leaders have for us is so brazen and ‘out there’ now. They no longer feel there is any need to pretend. They think ‘So what? What can you poor slobs do about it?’

    I know. It’s all “Hahaha, I’m President and you’re not, nyah nyah nyah!” Or “I’m Governor so I get a nice beach house, you might get one too if you were governor!” It’s a finger to the eye and “Go ahead and do something about it, I dare you!” Classic bullying behaviour.

  67. 67.

    Gretchen

    July 2, 2017 at 9:30 pm

    That potato salad sounds good. I’m making the Cook’s Illustrated one for a bbq tomorrow. They recommend sprinkling a little white vinegar over the potatoes while they’re still warm. It soaks in and seasons the potatoes for a little extra zing. I wonder if the vermouth serves the same function. I may try that.

  68. 68.

    randy khan

    July 2, 2017 at 9:30 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    Come sit closer to me. I don’t trust this NotMax character.

  69. 69.

    Anne Laurie

    July 2, 2017 at 9:32 pm

    @MomSense:

    It’s only a partial shit down so all the state parks are open.

    What an extraordinarily… appropriate typo!

    (With Gov. Mucilage as the ‘shit’ in question, of course.)

  70. 70.

    NotoriousJRT

    July 2, 2017 at 9:33 pm

    An asshole who “tells it like it is” is still at hie core an asshole.

  71. 71.

    Woodrowfan

    July 2, 2017 at 9:33 pm

    @Mnemosyne: email sent

  72. 72.

    Ladyraxterinok

    July 2, 2017 at 9:35 pm

    @Lurking Canadian: Probably thought Big Bird was a wimp because he didn’t beat up everybody. But probably did not watch because there are no gun fights and explosions. Boring.

  73. 73.

    Gretchen

    July 2, 2017 at 9:35 pm

    @Woodrowfan: I forgot he was under consideration for veep. I would feel better thinking he’s next in line than Christian zealot Dense. It’s a really good thing to have smart people in charge.

  74. 74.

    randy khan

    July 2, 2017 at 9:36 pm

    @PsiFighter37:

    Kim Guadagno probably isn’t a fan of this move. Lulz

    It only would be better if he had invited her to the park for the weekend.

    The amazing thing is that, if the stories I’ve seen are right, this fight isn’t really over the budget. Christie wants legislation bundled with the budget to seize excess surpluses from the biggest insurer in the state (which is state owned, strangely enough), and the speaker of the Assembly won’t include that in the budget package.

  75. 75.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 2, 2017 at 9:37 pm

    @Mnemosyne: I signed up and I just sent you an email too.

  76. 76.

    Gretchen

    July 2, 2017 at 9:41 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck: I think you’re right about child abuse in America. My husband is marveling that Sarah Huckabee Sanders is enabling Trump’s bad behavior, and wondering how she would react if her children behaved that way. I pointed out that her brother got kicked out of the Boy Scouts for killing a dog, and said that abused people abuse others, including animals. If dad abused one child, he probably abused them all. Evangelicals especially feel that everyone being religious is very important, because why would anyone behave if they weren’t afraid of eternal damnation? The idea of just being kind to others because that’s the right way to behave is foreign to them.

  77. 77.

    NobodySpecial

    July 2, 2017 at 10:01 pm

    Well, at least one good piece of news in a place with a Republican governor: Illinois Republicans finally blinked.

    Rauner, a former private equity specialist from Winnetka, had spent tens of millions of dollars on legislative campaigns and TV ads to prop up the Illinois Republican Party as a counterweight to Madigan and his labor union allies. And Republican lawmakers largely had stuck by their governor — until Sunday.

    The fissure emerged, and a pair Downstate Republicans summed up the split.

    “For me right here today, this is the sword that I’m willing to die on,” said Rep. Michael Unes, a Republican from East Peoria. “And if it costs me my seat, so be it.”

    Rep. Terri Bryant, R-Murphysboro, said while she hated taxes, as a fiscal conservative she could not stand by while the state can not pay billions of dollars in bills owed to small businesses.

    Bryant teared up when explaining that she must do what is best for her district, which includes Southern Illinois University in Carbondale.

    “I hope you will help me bring my university back,” said Bryant, who added that she expected to face a primary challenge because of her vote.

  78. 78.

    chris

    July 2, 2017 at 10:05 pm

    @Lurking Canadian: They watched 17 years of Survivor and Big Brother. Assholes win!

  79. 79.

    debbie

    July 2, 2017 at 10:07 pm

    Christie’s doing this to impress Trump. He wants back in.

  80. 80.

    d58826

    July 2, 2017 at 10:10 pm

    @Baud: I blame her e-mails.

    Seriously he would have been a perfect fit in the nest of vipers that we used to call the White House.

  81. 81.

    Mike J

    July 2, 2017 at 10:11 pm

    @NobodySpecial: In Washington, we finally got a budget deal that had something for everyone. Democrats got more money for schools, Republicans got the property tax hike they demanded.

  82. 82.

    Patricia Kayden

    July 2, 2017 at 10:14 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: New Jerseyites voted for him twice. They only have themselves to blame.

  83. 83.

    Villago Delenda Est

    July 2, 2017 at 10:16 pm

    @Patricia Kayden: As I said upstairs: When will they ever learn?

  84. 84.

    eemom

    July 2, 2017 at 10:22 pm

    He’s goin’ down down down down down….

  85. 85.

    VOR

    July 2, 2017 at 10:25 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est: Walker keeps getting elected in Wisconsin too.

  86. 86.

    NotMax

    July 2, 2017 at 10:25 pm

    Likely already mentioned, but what the hey.

    Troubled luxury property pays out to cease use of the name Trump.

  87. 87.

    Mike J

    July 2, 2017 at 10:28 pm

    @NotMax: I’ll let them not use my name for a lot less.

  88. 88.

    nightranger

    July 2, 2017 at 10:35 pm

    Remember that wrong way Cole used to openly say that this guy was totally awesome. I believe he still thinks that but knows better than to say it openly now. Same with Griftwald. He even posted a link from the intercept not too long ago so he definitely still reads what that grifter writes.

  89. 89.

    NobodySpecial

    July 2, 2017 at 10:37 pm

    @nightranger: I remember when you weren’t here, that was pretty awesome too.

  90. 90.

    NotMax

    July 2, 2017 at 10:39 pm

    In other news, Gulf tensions set to ratchet up another notch (emphasis added).

    The Gulf crisis that pits Saudi Arabia and the UAE against Qatar is set to escalate with Doha certain to ignore Monday’s deadline that it complies with demands that would undermine Qatari sovereignty and humiliate Emir Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani at a time that he is riding high on a wave of Qatari nationalism sparked by the Gulf crisis.

    Four weeks into the crisis, the demands appear to have been crafted for what is becoming a longer battle that the two Gulf states hope will end with Qatar, with or without Sheikh Tamim, adopting policies crafted in Riyadh and Abu Dhabi. Saudi Arabia and the UAE have declared the demands to be non-negotiable, offered Qatar no face-saving way out of the crisis, and appear to have designed them to be deliberately insulting.

    The Saudi-UAE-led coalition against Qatar is likely to further tighten the boycott of Qatar once the Monday deadline passes.…
    [snip]
    Despite denials, Saudi Arabia and the UAE’s take-it-or-leave-it approach appears to include the option of fostering an environment conducive to regime change if Qatar proves capable of circumventing the boycott for an extended period of time.

    State-controlled media in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the UAE also contributed to undermine Sheikh Tamim’s position, parallel to the Gulf states’ almost unprecedented attacks on Qatar’s ruling Al Thani clan, through interviews of little known dissident family members and military officers opposed to the emir’s policies. Source

  91. 91.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 2, 2017 at 10:45 pm

    @Mnemosyne: I have to enter my project on the website yet. I just sent you a reply.

  92. 92.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 2, 2017 at 10:47 pm

    @MomSense:

    It is capable of learning.

    Given everything, I don’t find that especially reassuring.

  93. 93.

    NotMax

    July 2, 2017 at 10:51 pm

    Watching a movie about the plot to assassinate Trotsky, The Chosen. Pretty good, although the pacing is uneven.

  94. 94.

    Frankensteinbeck

    July 2, 2017 at 10:54 pm

    @Gretchen:
    American Fundamentalism is built on such toxic stew of hypocritical, hate-based codes, I would be astonished to find that more than a tiny sliver of their families aren’t seriously abusive. There are whole swathes and movements within Fundamentalism built around child abuse as their central concept. Every time you hear them talk about schools on the subjects of liberal indoctrination, prayer, or abstinence only sex-ed, they out themselves as child abusers whose strategy of child rearing is forced ignorance to lock their child into their own mold. That’s the LOW end of their abuse spectrum.

  95. 95.

    Another Scott

    July 2, 2017 at 10:57 pm

    @NotMax: 48 hours more:

    Saudi Arabia and three allies boycotting Qatar have agreed to a request by Kuwait to extend by 48 hours Sunday’s deadline for Doha to comply to a set of demands, according to a joint statement on Saudi state news agency SPA.

    Kuwait had received a response by Qatar to list of 13 demands imposed on it by a Saudi-led bloc of Arab countries, state news agency KUNA said on Monday.

    Without stating whether Qatar had rejected the ultimatum as was widely expected, KUNA said Kuwait’s Emir Sheikh Sabah Al Ahmad Al Jaber Al Sabah asked Saudi Arabia and three other countries that have boycotted Qatar to grant it a 48 hour extension. Kuwait is mediating in the crisis.

    […]

    The foreign ministers of the four countries will meet on Wednesday in Egypt’s capital, Cairo, to discuss their next steps, according to a statement by the Egyptian foreign ministry.

    The UAE ambassador to Russia, Omar Ghobash, has previously said that Qatar could face fresh sanctions if it does not comply with the demands.

    The G20 meeting starts on Friday July 7.

    It’s gonna be a “fun” week…

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  96. 96.

    Mike J

    July 2, 2017 at 11:00 pm

    @Lurking Canadian:

    How do you grow to adulthood having completely missed the fundamental “Dos” and “Don’ts” of living in a society? Were none of them Boy Scouts? Did they never watch Sesame Street?

    Goofus voted for Trump
    Gallant voted for the continuing survival of humanity.

  97. 97.

    Karen

    July 2, 2017 at 11:03 pm

    @MomSense: I am close enough to Grafton Notch that planned to not even go to Tractor Supply until next weekend

  98. 98.

    CDWard

    July 2, 2017 at 11:06 pm

    What an asshole.

  99. 99.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 2, 2017 at 11:07 pm

    @Uncle Cosmo: Bruce, dat you?

  100. 100.

    OGLiberal

    July 2, 2017 at 11:08 pm

    The folks in NJ who voted for Trump soured on Christie before his re-election. They’ve hated him for years. They liked him yelling at teachers but that’s about it. Christie got re-elected because the Dems conceded the election without even trying and I think some Dems voted for him because of Sandy and because the Dem candidate was literally nobody. Everybody regretted it soon after. The crazy Trump folks in NJ hate Christie. Doesn’t make them good people but they do not like him at all. My friend, who was a teacher and is now a school administrator hated Christie because of his attacks on education but loves him some Trump because of something about personal responsibility and competition, never mind that DeVos is worse on education than Christie, and that’s hard to achieve. Actually, it’s easy….just be a bigger asshole.

  101. 101.

    Jeffro

    July 2, 2017 at 11:09 pm

    At this point, the parties have sorted themselves into the Party of Spite and the Party of Normal Human Progress. The POS seems to think that their whole reason for living is to spite other people, hold them back, take shots at them, undermine them, treat them as the other, even if it means committing acts of treason with a hostile foreign power bent on bringing the whole country down.

    It’s important that in every way possible, the POS (collectively and individually) feels the impact of its bad choices. Ballot box or brickbat, or both, they need to understand that no one’s going to take this lying down.

  102. 102.

    Villago Delenda Est

    July 2, 2017 at 11:11 pm

    @debbie: Jared has veto power. He will never let Christie in. Ever.

  103. 103.

    Villago Delenda Est

    July 2, 2017 at 11:14 pm

    @Jeffro: POS: Party of Spite, or Piece of Shit?

    Why not both?

  104. 104.

    Another Scott

    July 2, 2017 at 11:22 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est: Maybe, maybe not. VF:

    In private, according to one person who said Christie recounted his conversation with Kushner, Christie is said to have cautioned that the president “better lawyer up and keep his mouth shut,” this person told me. (Brian Murray, a spokesman for Christie, said that “a phone conversation taking place regarding retention of counsel is categorically false. The conversation did not happen.”)

    That Kushner would seek Christie’s legal advice on a matter pertaining to a family member raises eyebrows. Christie, after all, prosecuted a case against Kushner’s father, Charles, more than a decade ago. The elder Kushner ended up pleading guilty to 18 counts of tax evasion, witness tampering, and illegal campaign donations. Jared Kushner, who visited his father in an Alabama prison most weekends while he was serving out his sentence, initially had a harder time accepting Christie into the campaign inner-circle once the New Jersey governor dropped his own presidential bid and threw his weight behind Trump. He reportedly balked at Christie as a vice-presidential nominee, and once Trump won the election in November, played an influential role in removing him from his post as head of the transition team. As sources explained to me last year, Kushner believed Christie was responsible for his father not getting out of prison 28 days early, as the family had expected him to.

    But a White House official told me earlier this year that the two buried the hatchet months ago in order to serve the administration together. When the White House announced that Kushner would helm a sweeping Office of American Innovation within the White House, they appointed Christie to head its opioid task force—allowing the two to work closely together under Kushner’s purview. Sources confirmed to me last week that they now talk often.

    FWIW.

    Christie is looking for something to do after he leaves office in NJ. He will do anything not to burn bridges with Donnie, even if it means being Jared’s butler.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  105. 105.

    Mike in NC

    July 2, 2017 at 11:27 pm

    I can remember being in New Jersey back when Whitman was governor and taxes had been slashed so much that they sent agents to every weekend flea market and yard sale to make sure people were kicking in every possible penny to the state coffers. It was pathetic but emblematic of Republicanism.

  106. 106.

    Villago Delenda Est

    July 2, 2017 at 11:34 pm

    @Mike in NC: Yet they no doubt ignored millionaires dodging taxes left and right, for reasons.

  107. 107.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    July 2, 2017 at 11:40 pm

    @Mike in NC: @Villago Delenda Est: I remember reading that Christie Todd keeps a small, picturesque herd of cattle in a corner of her country estate to get the agricultural tax breaks

  108. 108.

    Aleta

    July 2, 2017 at 11:42 pm

    Is a vote coming soon, now that (if this is true) the Repubs have sent their plan to the CBO to compare the monetary effects of Cruz’s addition? Is it nuts to wonder if Christie might be doing his part to change the subject?

  109. 109.

    Viva BrisVegas

    July 2, 2017 at 11:42 pm

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.):

    I guess they think assholes are less likely to take any shit.

    Christie is a good example of how the asshole status ranking works.

    He gets to be alpha male until a bigger asshole enters the room, in which case he submits as a beta male and seeks to be dominated.

    The case in point being Christie’s behaviour around Trump.

  110. 110.

    Brachiator

    July 2, 2017 at 11:42 pm

    Wow. Christie could teach a master class in assholery.

    Meanwhile, a little further up into New York…

    Jezebel has an interesting article on a holiday party in the Hamptons attended by Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump. The party attendees are, of course, almost exclusively white. The guests include a former owner of the Washington Post and other blue bloods who look down on Trump. A good number of these people probably voted for Clinton, and some are Democratic politicians. But for this crowd, the only thing worse than their phony snobbery is their craven hypocrisy.

    http://jezebel.com/heres-everyone-whos-partying-with-jared-and-ivanka-in-t-1796590925

  111. 111.

    cain

    July 2, 2017 at 11:55 pm

    I am a huge fan of Mark Hamill, more that, Mark Hamill IS the voice of The Joker. He’s famous for his voice acting as the Joker in Batman: The Animated Series. (which all of you should watch) Anyhoo, Mark started reading recent tweets from Trump as the Joker. So completely awesome. See it here

  112. 112.

    Aleta

    July 3, 2017 at 12:02 am

    @Brachiator: Charles Koch. But of course.

  113. 113.

    Brachiator

    July 3, 2017 at 12:04 am

    @cain:

    .Anyhoo, Mark started reading recent tweets from Trump as the Joker. So completely awesome. See it here.

    Great stuff. Thanks.

  114. 114.

    Raven

    July 3, 2017 at 12:04 am

    Wrapping up the visit to LA, went to the grammy hall of fame in the middle of a massive Anamie convention. Shit was weird.

  115. 115.

    Chet Murthy

    July 3, 2017 at 12:09 am

    @Raven: uh “Anamie”? did you mean “anime”? something else? Just curious.

  116. 116.

    Raven

    July 3, 2017 at 12:10 am

    @Chet Murthy: yea, that’s what I mean. There were thousands of people in all states of weirdness.

  117. 117.

    Brachiator

    July 3, 2017 at 12:11 am

    @Raven:

    ..Shit was weird.

    The Grammy hall of fame or the anime?

  118. 118.

    Another Scott

    July 3, 2017 at 12:13 am

    @Aleta: They’re on break (“State work period”) until the week of July 10. They’ll probably try to ram it through as soon as possible early that week.

    We have to fight them every single day…

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  119. 119.

    Timurid

    July 3, 2017 at 12:14 am

    @Chet Murthy:

    More exciting than an Anomie Convention, whatever it was…

  120. 120.

    Raven

    July 3, 2017 at 12:15 am

    @Brachiator: the grammy joint was cool, actually both were. We took the train from LAX to downtown and THAT was interesting!

  121. 121.

    Raven

    July 3, 2017 at 12:17 am

    @Timurid: y’all knew what I meant. I’m exhausted and typing on this damn phone. I was in the ocean@ 6:30 just to start the day!

  122. 122.

    Another Scott

    July 3, 2017 at 12:17 am

    @Timurid: I’ll bet an Anemone Convention would be pretty neat though.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  123. 123.

    cain

    July 3, 2017 at 12:17 am

    @Raven:

    Yeah, Anime is an interesting genre. I watch anime with friends every Monday. I specalize in geekiness. Although, I’m not at all what you would call a regular watcher. In fact, indians never watch this stuff, which solidifies the whole “he’s only indian on the outside, but he’s really a white midwest geek”. Coconut perhaps? This is why I drive my fellow south indian friends crazy. ;-)

  124. 124.

    Another Scott

    July 3, 2017 at 12:18 am

    @Raven: Ooh. Frolicking in the Pacific. We’re supposed to feel sorry for you about that?

    :-)

    Sleep well, everyone.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  125. 125.

    Mnemosyne

    July 3, 2017 at 12:18 am

    @Raven:

    Um, yeah, I’m not sure I would have advised that particular train trip. But at least it sounds like you made it through with your wallets intact.

  126. 126.

    Peale

    July 3, 2017 at 12:33 am

    @Timurid: I wonder who the keynote speaker at the anomie convention could be. It’s both the easiest and most difficult gig on the public speaking circuit, I’d imagine.

  127. 127.

    NotMax

    July 3, 2017 at 12:38 am

    @Peale

    Steven Wright.

    Also repeated screenings of Bette Midler’s “Why bother?” short. Still LOL.

  128. 128.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 3, 2017 at 1:12 am

    @Raven: Oh the Blue Line; yeah, that’s interesting.

    ETA: I took the Blue Line down to the Watts towers and on to Long Beach last year.

  129. 129.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 3, 2017 at 1:16 am

    @Mnemosyne: We rode the Blue Line to our Long Beach office when it first opened, it was quite nice. The trip took too long and our manager told us to take our cars(actually my car).

    ETA: That, of course was 25 years ago, the trip last year was, eh, different.

  130. 130.

    Brachiator

    July 3, 2017 at 1:19 am

    @Raven:

    .the grammy joint was cool, actually both were.

    Actually, I kid. I know people who do the anime convention and always have big fun.

    We took the train from LAX to downtown and THAT was interesting!.

    The train. Didn’t that involve multiple transfers? People, if you do public transportation from LAX to downtown LA, the modest priced direct route is the LAX shuttle bus from the airport to Union Station.

    ..

  131. 131.

    Peale

    July 3, 2017 at 1:20 am

    @NotMax: yeah. Do you go for broke trying to find the most inspirational speaker in history? Or the least. Or just pick the cheapest because no one will bother to pay attention anyway.

  132. 132.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 3, 2017 at 1:21 am

    @Brachiator: It would involve only one transfer from the Green Line to the Blue Line. Depending on traffic, it could be faster.

  133. 133.

    Brachiator

    July 3, 2017 at 1:30 am

    I’m so glad that there are no international hot spots to draw Trump away from his Twitter fights with MSNBC. Nothing like this recent BBC story:

    Saudi Arabia and three other Arab states have extended the deadline for Qatar to accept a list of demands or face further sanctions by 48 hours.

    The initial deadline for Qatar to agree to the group’s 13 demands, including the shutting down of the Al Jazeera news network, expired on Sunday.

    The Gulf state has said that it will submit its formal response in a letter delivered to Kuwait on Monday.

    Qatar denies accusations from its neighbours that it funds extremism.

    The state’s foreign minister will travel to Kuwait on Monday morning to deliver the letter, sent from the emir of Qatar to the emir of Kuwait, who is the main mediator in the Gulf crisis….

    Saudi Arabia, Egypt, the UAE and Bahrain have accused Qatar of harbouring their opponents – including political Islamists such as the Muslim Brotherhood, which is viewed as a particular threat by the absolute monarchies – and giving them a platform on the Al Jazeera satellite channel, which is funded by the Qatari state.

  134. 134.

    Brachiator

    July 3, 2017 at 1:36 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    . .It would involve only one transfer from the Green Line to the Blue Line. Depending on traffic, it could be faster.

    You have to take a shuttle from LAX to the Green Line Station. Then you have to move from the Green Line to the Blue Line. This is a pain in the butt if you have luggage. I would not even want to do it with a single backpack. The LAX bus cruises along the dedicated bus lane on the 110 from the 105 freeway. Travel time is usually pretty good. And the seats are more comfortable than the Metro trains.

  135. 135.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 3, 2017 at 1:41 am

    @Brachiator: Forgot about the shuttle from the airport to the Green Line, you are correct there. The transfer from the Green to Blue line is trivial, I did that last year with camera bags. The shuttle uses the HOV lanes on the 110 and 105 so they could be impacted by traffic.

  136. 136.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 3, 2017 at 1:50 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Oh, and once at Union Station you’d have to catch the Red Line and then transfer to the Blue Line at 7th Street to get to LA Live.

  137. 137.

    Aleta

    July 3, 2017 at 2:02 am

    One of the Justice Department’s top corporate crime watchdogs has resigned, declaring that she cannot enforce ethics laws against companies while, she asserts, her own bosses in the Trump administration have been engaging in conduct that she said she would never tolerate in corporations.

    Hui Chen — a former Pfizer and Microsoft lawyer who also was a federal prosecutor — had been the department’s compliance counsel. She left the department in June and broke her silence about her move in a recent LinkedIn post that sounded an alarm about the Trump administration’s behavior. (from IBTimes)

    Hui Chen: Trying to hold companies to standards that our current administration is not living up to was creating a cognitive dissonance that I could not overcome. To sit across the table from companies and question how committed they were to ethics and compliance felt not only hypocritical, but very much like shuffling the deck chair on the Titanic.

    Even as I engaged in those questioning and evaluations, on my mind were the numerous lawsuits pending against the President of the United States for everything from violations of the Constitution to conflict of interest, the ongoing investigations of potentially treasonous conducts, and the investigators and prosecutors fired for their pursuits of principles and facts. Those are conducts I would not tolerate seeing in a company, yet I worked under an administration that engaged in exactly those conduct. I wanted no more part in it.

    The management of the Criminal Division, of which the Fraud Section is a part, has persistently prohibited me from public speaking. (snip)

    I have come to realize that nothing matters to me more than working to restore the notions of integrity, decency, and intellect back into our government. I yearn to be a part of that effort more directly than volunteering for and attending protests: I want to help elect candidates who stand for those values, and I cannot do that while under contract with the Criminal Division due to Hatch Act restrictions.”

  138. 138.

    Mnemosyne

    July 3, 2017 at 2:07 am

    @Brachiator:

    I once took the Big Blue Bus from Westwood to LAX. The only transfer was to the bus that took me from the transit depot to the terminals, but it was kind of a pain in the ass.

  139. 139.

    Elizabelle

    July 3, 2017 at 4:00 am

    @Mnemosyne: Sent you an email re NatNoWriMo. I will be the designated slacker in the group. Someone has to make the rest of you look insanely productive.

  140. 140.

    George Spiggott

    July 3, 2017 at 5:48 am

    Outlaw Jersey Whale gets beached.

  141. 141.

    Elizabelle

    July 3, 2017 at 6:12 am

    @George Spiggott: Win!

  142. 142.

    sherparick

    July 3, 2017 at 7:58 am

    @efgoldman: Again, a plurality of Maine voters voted for the guy twice, apparently because the considered being an asshole was a feature, not a bug. Currently, LePage has shutdown the Maine Government so that he can increase the tax on and eliminate lands in conservation trust and easements (apparently a goal of Linda Bean, a big Trumpista).

  143. 143.

    Uncle Cosmo

    July 3, 2017 at 9:35 am

    @NotMax: Except that there is now another museum in Lost Wagers: the National Atomic Testing Museum, which I visited shortly after it opened on my only trip there. Not sure if it’s worth the rather pricey ticket, but the gift shop is a hoot & it’s free – that’s where I got my Albert Einstein Action Figure (complete with sweat shirt & chalk in one hand). I’m waiting to collect Action Figures of the other big names in physics, Isaac Newton & Stephen Hawking (although a Stephen Hawking Action Figure would be something of a cruel joke – unless he comes sitting on his scooter…)

  144. 144.

    Uncle Cosmo

    July 3, 2017 at 9:39 am

    @Aleta: Joining Task Force Mueller in three, two , one…

  145. 145.

    Calming Influence

    July 3, 2017 at 1:31 pm

    @Uncle Cosmo: Need to complete my set of “My Dinner With Andre” action figures before I move on to physicists.

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