Manafort Was in Debt to Pro-Russia Interests, Cyprus Records Show
Financial records filed last year in the secretive tax haven of Cyprus, where Paul J. Manafort kept bank accounts during his years working in Ukraine and investing with a Russian oligarch, indicate that he had been in debt to pro-Russia interests by as much as $17 million before he joined Donald J. Trump’s presidential campaign in March 2016.
The money appears to have been owed by shell companies connected to Mr. Manafort’s business activities in Ukraine when he worked as a consultant to the pro-Russia Party of Regions. The Cyprus documents obtained by The New York Times include audited financial statements for the companies, which were part of a complex web of more than a dozen entities that transferred millions of dollars among them in the form of loans, payments and fees.
Big Interview with Trump at NYT
Caution: autoplay audio of Trump whining.
“Sessions should have never recused himself and if he was going to recuse himself he should have told me before he took the job and I would have picked somebody else,” Mr. Trump said.
“I don’t think we’re under investigation,” he said. “I’m not under investigation. For what? I didn’t do anything wrong.”
Mr. Trump acknowledged that it was “interesting” that adoptions came up [in his unreported conversation with Putin] since his son, Donald Trump Jr., said that was the topic of a meeting he had with several Russians with ties to the Kremlin during last year’s campaign.
To be honest, I don’t see a lot of new news here beyond Manafort’s debt. If someone wants to unscramble the front companies and other fictional entities that Manafort uses to mask…something…, have at it!
dmsilev
Don’t Republicans like to say that if you didn’t do anything wrong, you should have nothing to hide?
Now, about those tax returns…
schrodingers_cat
Do not want to reading T’s fucking interview with the fucking Vichy Times. They created this monster along with their rich buddies in NYC and the R party. I hope he devours both.
TenguPhule
These will be his last words at the execution for treason too.
May that day come soon.
Steeplejack
Yee-haw! Joy Reid sitting in for Chris Hayes tonight.
Yarrow
He’s going to be saying that as they take him away in handcuffs. Just like every other criminal.
Feebog
Apparently DOLT45 really is that stupid.
Cheryl Rofer
TenguPhule
A Reporter at the Whitehouse FOUND THEIR OVARIES! Amazing.
The first stones begin to fall.
JPL
Trump loves the little children, just like his son.
japa21
@Yarrow: Which is also why he’s warning Mueller not to look too far beyond Russia, like into finances or money laundering (which is a major reason Russia is involved to begin with).
FlipYrWhig
I don’t think Trump knows what “recuses himself” means.
Cheryl Rofer
Mike in NC
Hope Jefferson Beauregard Sessions enjoys the view from under the bus.
frosty
@TenguPhule: Found HER ovaries? I mean, not too much question about the gender for this line.
And yes my teeth still grate when I hear “they” used in the singular.
ETA: which isn’t to ignore that it’s nice to see the WHPC fighting back at least a little.
WaterGirl
@JPL: I cringed when I read the part of the article that talks about his granddaughter running into the room. I. Would. Not. Let. My. Child. Anywhere. Near. This. Man.
TenguPhule
@Cheryl Rofer:
Prep the champagne.
debit
What the hell. I tune in at 7:00 so I don’t have to see Tweety. It’s 7:06, why is Tweety still on my screen?
lollipopguild
@FlipYrWhig: trump does not know what anything means.
Iowa Old Lady
When the Trump spawn and Manafort testify in Congress next week, will they be under oath? If not, their “testimony” will resemble what they cough up for when a newsperson interviews them. Actually, it might be like that even if they are under oath.
dmsilev
Not surprising, but still worrying:
We know (because they’ve said so) that the Trump family has gotten a lot of investment money from Russia, and that’s just the stuff that’s out in public never mind what is rumored. “this is about Russia” is inevitably going to cover his family’s finances.
TenguPhule
@JPL:
Because they’re incapable of physically resisting his advances.
Felonius Monk
I don’t think Donald Trump does not know the definition of the word recuse.
ETA: Oops. Already noted above.
Steeplejack
For a break from politics: USA vs. El Salvador in the Gold Cup (soccer) quarterfinal at 9:00 p.m. EDT (Fox Sports 1).
WaterGirl
I wouldn’t wish a brain tumor on anyone. That includes McCain.
FlipYrWhig
@dmsilev: “Violation” of what? Christ almighty. He still doesn’t know what the president does or what the law says about anything. He’s just so fucking stupid.
Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.)
Mark my words, Tяump himself is deep in debt to Putin or to people Putin controls. This is the only explanation that makes any sense at this point. I guess Mueller is going to dig through this shit and drag this out into the light. I can’t wait to see what gets unearthed. This whole thing is a horrorshow.
I’m sick of this shit, but at least I now feel like these assholes are living on borrowed time. There’s only so long he can stay in office once it becomes clear that he’s been running this country as a way to get better terms on his loans from Putin. This guy might limp through the end of the year, but I can’t see how he makes it through 2018.
dmsilev
@FlipYrWhig:
Observational evidence suggests that the President gets into the cabs of big trucks and makes vroom vroom noises. And tweets.
TenguPhule
@WaterGirl:
But since he has one anyway, no point in wasting a good opportunity to celebrate some good news in these dark times.
Cheryl Rofer
@TenguPhule: Your glee is misplaced. Cool it.
WaterGirl
@FlipYrWhig: Hmm, let’s think about that. It can’t be any of the obvious things – laws, the rule of law, norms, rules or regulations – because he routinely ignores those.
I’m going with right to privacy because Donnie thinks he deserves that because he’s so special.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Cheryl Rofer: This would definitely NOT be “good news for John McCain”.
hovercraft
Sure, and he doesn’t have a ferret on his head.
I won’t read the interview, but did the reporter point out to him that the job of the AG is to uphold the constitution, not to at as a gatekeeper and ensure that the president is protected from investigation? Maybe someone should have explained to him before he ran for the job, that the federal government is not there to act as the presidents personal fiefdom.
frosty
@Cheryl Rofer: Seconded.
SiubhanDuinne
@FlipYrWhig:
“I finished my broccoli, Mommy, and ate most of my mashed turnips. May I be recused?”
Cheryl Rofer
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Yes. It’s a glioblastoma, so chances are, no matter what they do, he’ll be dead in a year. I lost a friend to glioblastoma. The speed of her decline was horrifying.
(((CassandraLeo)))
@frosty: Biological sex doesn’t always correspond with gender. “Their” is fine.
geg6
WaPo says John McCain has brain cancer.
SiubhanDuinne
@Cheryl Rofer:
I lost respect for John McCain a long, long time ago, but I don’t wish that on anybody. Hope he recovers fully and comes back fighting, even if it’s on a side I’ll oppose vigorously.
Trentrunner
John McCain is a cowardly, horrible man who is corrupt and shows terrible judgment in many, many ways. He foisted Sarah Palin on America, which paved the way for Donald Trump.
He is getting care at the Mayo Clinic and relaxing at his wife-financed hacienda compound. (The wife he has, in the past, called a “cunt” in front of reporters.)
He’s a deciding vote in whether 32+ million Americans have ANY health coverage taken away.
FUCK HIM. If we lived in a more superstitious time, we’d say this was karma.
But it’s not karma. It’s just cancer.
JPL
It appears to be sad news for the McCain family, but I’m sure that Trump will use it to his advantage.
hovercraft
@Iowa Old Lady:
According to a congressman who was on earlier, that was the one condition from Mueller, the testimony had to be under oath and public.
debit
@TenguPhule: I will not miss him, but cancer sucks and isn’t a cause for celebration ever.
Adam L Silverman
@TenguPhule: Stop reading Mensch’s twitter feed. It’ll give you social media diabetes!
p.a.
IANAD (D= doctor) but I know there has very recently been tremendous progress against at least some glioblastomas using the polio virus.
Adam L Silverman
@Steeplejack: I second your YeeHaw! And raise you a Yippiekayamotherfucker!
Adam L Silverman
@Cheryl Rofer: I’ll need to review your entire dossier before I can confirm or deny that…//
JPL
@hovercraft: What we don’t know is if Trump has already pardoned them from any crimes.
Thank you Gerry Ford, for letting me know that is possible.
TS
@Cheryl Rofer: Always the democrats who have to go high. If a dem senator was too ill to vote the GOP would be singing as they removed health care from 25 million people
Fair Economist
I don’t like McCain’s politics either, but he doesn’t deserve brain cancer and (likely) death. It’s not even necessarily good for us politically. If McCain resigns and the AZ governor appoints a Tea Partier, we’re worse off at least until there’s an election.
SiubhanDuinne
@WaterGirl:
Likewise. I really cringe when I see people who are supposedly compassionate just cheering and celebrating news like this.
WaterGirl
@hovercraft:
Thank goodness for that! I was afraid they would use it as an opportunity to get more lies out there.
Of course, they may still do that, but at least there will be repercussions for lying under oath.
It still bothers me that Martha Stewart went to jail for lying to some agency and the Trump Family Slime and all their minions seem to lie with impunity every single f-ing day.
Major Major Major Major
@frosty: @TenguPhule: thirded. Come on, dude.
@TS:
Yes, and that would be wrong.
Mike J
Manafort in trouble? What a Devine story.
MJS
@SiubhanDuinne: I hope he recovers fully and retires.
SiubhanDuinne
It is ironic, though, that McCain has pretty much what Ted Kennedy had. And both of them held critical votes in health care legislation.
Mnemosyne
@Cheryl Rofer:
Somebody mentioned this possibility the other day — apparently a blood clot can be one of the ways a glioblastoma announces its presence.
By a strange coincidence, that’s the same kind of brain tumor that killed Teddy Kennedy. And during the fight over healthcare, too. Weird.
Trentrunner
“I like GOP senators that DON’T get cancer when we’re trying to pass my bill,” Donald Trump, probably.
Cheryl Rofer
@TS:
It’s okay. It’s what decent humans do.
Mike J
@WaterGirl:
Having watched my brother die from medullo and glio blastomas, I second this.
Adam L Silverman
@TenguPhule: That’s not helpful. Don’t like him as a senator? Not an issue. Expect he’s going to be unlikely to finish out his term and that makes you happy. Also not an issue. Intimating we should celebrate because his life may be at risk. Not okay.
smintheus
Trump sees the AG as working for him to advance his political interests rather than for US Dept. of Justice. No president since Nixon has been this naked in his abuse of the DOJ for personal ends.
Major Major Major Major
@Mnemosyne: I had the same thought.
TenguPhule
@Trentrunner: Seconded.
Sorry Cheryl, I must disagree with you.
hovercraft
@FlipYrWhig:
Of his right to do whatever the fuck he wants to and for us to keep our mouths shut or say thank you sir may I have another.
Iowa Old Lady
I’m surprisingly dismayed by McCain’s diagnosis.
@hovercraft: That will be interesting then. We’ll see how seriously they take perjury.
WaterGirl
@MJS: Hey, I was about to type that!
Adam L Silverman
@dmsilev: As I’ve written here repeatedly: Zee money! Follow zee money!
JMG
I actually met McCain, at a fight in Vegas about 25 years ago, and I liked him. That was as a fight fab, not a pol. He’s not an ideal pol. Compared to 95 percent of his GOP Senate colleagues, he’s Pericles. Good luck to him.
Mnemosyne
@MJS:
Unfortunately, he won’t. My late father in law had a glioblastoma multiforme tumor. We got a lot more time with him than we expected thanks to effective chemotherapy — 2 years instead of 6 months — but a glioblastoma is pretty much the worst brain tumor you can get.
Major Major Major Major
@Trentrunner: @TenguPhule: i just can’t cheer on anybody’s suffering in good conscience.
Adam L Silverman
@dmsilev: @FlipYrWhig: @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.): What he can’t stop is NY state AG Schneiderman’s investigations. NY has a state law equivalent to RICO.
Ruviana
@SiubhanDuinne: @Mnemosyne: Was it not a glioblastoma that killed Bob Novack? As I recall he became ill around the same time Kennedy was diagnosed and was being treated. It’s fast and usually lethal.
Adam L Silverman
@dmsilev:
And really who wouldn’t if given the chance to be paid to do so.
Mnemosyne
@Major Major Major Major:
SiubhanDuinne and I had the same thought at the same time.
Adam L Silverman
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Well played. Well played indeed!
TenguPhule
@Adam L Silverman:
I’m sorry, but I’m not going to be a hypocrite on this. I have zero empathy for McCain and his fellow GOP. They’ve burned all of their bridges to human decency and compassion.
My empathy is for their victims.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@smintheus:
No, this is much worse than Nixon.
SiubhanDuinne
@hovercraft:
How come Kushner gets to testify behind closed doors?
Adam L Silverman
@Cheryl Rofer: This does explain his very apparent issues at the recent Intel committee hearings he sat in on. And Senator Graham’s remarks from earlier in the week that he had spoken with Senator McCain and that he sounded more focused than he had in a while.
schrodingers_cat
@Major Major Major Major: Same here. We has good sanskars.
hovercraft
@JPL:
We all know that he will pardon all involved in a New York minute, including himself.
The question is whether they will agree to testify, any good attorney wouldn’t allow it, but Uday is dumb and arrogant enough to show up, so I guess we’ll see. Manafort, is already fucked so who knows.
WaterGirl
@Mike J: I’m sorry to hear that. If that was anything like what my friend’s wife went through with brain cancer, it was a hideous way to go.
Major Major Major Major
@Mnemosyne: minds of a feather and such.
JMG
@SiubhanDuinne: His attorney’s insistence, I would guess.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Adam L Silverman: I’m familiar with all internet traditions.
Adam L Silverman
@WaterGirl: That’s why Mueller insisted on it. He’s laying perjury traps.
Mnemosyne
@Adam L Silverman:
I actually have had a chance to mess around on various emergency vehicles at safety fairs at work.
And then I went back to my desk and did my fucking job.
Adria McDowell (formerly Lurker Extraordinaire
@TenguPhule: Saddam Hussein was defiant ’til the end, too. Only Saddam was waaaaaaaay smarter than Tang the Conqueror (h/t to Ragnarok Lobster on Twitter).
Adam L Silverman
@Mike J: Almost as well played as BillinGlendale. Had he not put it way out of the park you would have won this evening.
George
@TenguPhule: Go to hell. My dad died from the same type of cancer a few years ago. Politics aside, it’s a shitty way to go and I feel nothing but compassion for McCain, his friends, and his family. That’s what makes me different than Them, and apparently from you as well.
Citizen Alan
@Cheryl Rofer:
I’m certainly not gleeful, but neither am I moved to compassion. He was and is a vile man.
Cheryl Rofer
@Adam L Silverman: Yes. When he garbled his question at the hearing, I figured it was nothing good. A friend of mine had a glioblastoma. She went up and down for a while, but it’s a very deadly sort of tumor.
trollhattan
@Fair Economist:
And there it is in a nut(case)shell.
Adam L Silverman
@smintheus: The appropriate folks at FBI and the Special Prosecutor’s Office will have taken notice of these statements.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@hovercraft: It that’s the case, we might see some new case law on the President’s pardoning power.
TenguPhule
@Major Major Major Major:
Fine, I’ll not say any more on it.
Trentrunner
@Major Major Major Major: Good for you. I’m not cheering it on.
I’m asking you to imagine that you’re any one of the thousands of Americans who today will get the same devastating diagnosis as McCain got.
Now imagine that your health coverage is in jeopardy because of the GOP Senate’s selfish shenanigans.
Now remember the “maverick” “respected on both sides of the aisle” John McCain has sided with those who WILL TAKE AWAY THEIR COVERAGE, decimating their finances, adding unspeakable decades-long poverty to their family’s already immeasurable suffering and loss.
While McCain gets treatment at the Mayo Clinic and recovers at a multi-million dollar estate paid for by his wife.
FUCK JOHN McCAIN. He got his. Now he’s taking yours away.
mai naem mobile
I wonder if Dolt 45 is stupid enough to have picked Jon Huntsman to be Russian Ambassador because he’s got an adopted kid from China and another from India . I wonder if they think they’re going to sell it to Trumpkins in that form. Also WTF is wrong with Huntsman for taking the job. He’s got to know Dolt 45 has the anti midas touch . He’s going to get the stinky eau de Trump.
SiubhanDuinne
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
I agree. Nixon, for all his faults — and they were legion — at least implicitly acknowledged the primacy of institutions and tradition and established norms. He fought them hard, but he bowed to them when the outcome was inevitable.
Trump, by contrast, has flipped the bird, given the middle finger, thumbed his nose, mooned his arse, and shaken his fist at all the accepted traditions: ethics, disclosure, conflict of interest, a free press, an independent court and Congress, etc. etc. etc.
Mnemosyne
@Citizen Alan:
I’m not going to participate in any whitewashing of McCain’s record, but I wouldn’t wish a glioblastoma on Charlie Manson.
Baud
@Citizen Alan: I don’t disagree, but there is something tragic about him too.
Chet Murthy
@Adam L Silverman: @TenguPhule: With respect, Adam, Cheryl, Suibhan, I must differ. I won’t add my sentiments to TenguPhule, b/c this is your blog, and we should adhere to your content policies. But …
Until this election I would have agreed with you. I’d have agreed, that they’re -opponents-, not -enemies-. But guess what? Last year, I found out different. It didn’t matter that (aside from my race) I’m the stereotype of what those right-wingers wish all Americans were like: [insert adjective stream here]. They think I’m less of an American than any inbred Cletus from some hick town in central Texas. They hate me and people who look like me. Merely because of what I look like. They hate my friends, b/c of how they choose to love.
And guess what? I return that hate with the white-hot radiance of a thousand suns. To destroy baryons, reducing them to quark soup, is the heat of my hate.
So yes, you’re right, that ill wishes towards my enemies, are out of place here. But the time has passed, when (at least for some) we can regard them as opponents. When we can humanize them. I believe in the rule of law, and in civil society. But if the FSM reaches down with his noodly appendage to visit his vengeance on the enemy, I can’t regret it. And ISTR in the Bible there are passages of the favored people celebrating divine retribution on their enemies. Heck, I think it’s happened many times in our country’s history, eh.
Yes, this sort of feeling should be beneath a civilized American. But the times are changed, aren’t they?
Adam L Silverman
@TenguPhule: I’m not asking or telling you that you have to have empathy. I’m telling you not to act like a ghoul in the comments.
Major Major Major Major
@Trentrunner: fair enough! I guess I unfairly roped your comment into the thread.
Adam L Silverman
@SiubhanDuinne: Two different committees. Intel committee will have him in closed session as they’re going to be dealing with matters that are potentially classified. Judiciary committee will be in public session. I’ll have live feeds of all of the public ones on the front page next week.
Quinerly
@Cheryl Rofer:
Isn’t it the same type that SEN Kennedy had? Fast and horrifying. My grandmother had the same kind as Teddy…at age 52,before I was born. My mother spoke of it often.
Just One More Canuck
Gord Downie, the lead singer of the Tragically Hip (iconic Canadian band for those unfamiliar) was diagnosed with glioblastoma in the spring of last year, and the band went on a cross country farewell tour, and although he was clearly weak, it was still a pretty impressive physical feat for him (their shows were generally pretty long). Their final show (August 2016) was practically a national holiday up here. Downie is still making a few public appearances (did one over the Canada Day weekend) so he’s hanging in there. Obviously, he’s a much younger man than McCain and in much better shape, but with treatment and rehab, it may not be as dire as was thought
john fremont
@Cheryl Rofer: This!!!
Frankensteinbeck
I wish some other method had removed McCain from the Senate, and hope that he recovers. While I do, I will hope that he takes a long absence from senate votes and be very, very grateful that the misery and death of millions has been made easier to avoid.
hovercraft
@SiubhanDuinne:
As a member of the Executive Branch, he’s in a different position?
I have no idea, but Mueller I take it knows what he’s about.
Mike J
@WaterGirl: My brother was 10 years old, first diagnosed at 2. It was actually meningitis that got him in the end, but that was related to having a shunt through his cranium for chemo.
I did read some good news today. St Jude, where he was a patient, think they have identified genes that trigger medulloblastomas. Which ain’t a cure, but it’s step one. sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/07/170719132308.htm
smintheus
@JMG: I met McCain too in the early ’90s at a military academy. He came supposedly to investigate a wide-ranging scandal there, expressed deep “concern” to us over what he was told…and then went out to flat out lie to the press about what had been discussed at the long and well-attended meeting (claimed there was nothing at all to it).
Since then I have had zero respect for the man. I don’t wish cancer on him.
(((CassandraLeo)))
@hovercraft: He can’t pardon anyone charged with state offences (e.g., Schneiderman’s investigation), and if he pardons people for federal ones, they won’t be able to take the Fifth Amendment, because self-incrimination will no longer be a concern. Of course, it remains to be seen whether he’ll care in the latter case, but frankly, I don’t expect him to care about saving anyone’s skin but his own, so if he understands the Fifth Amendment issues (not a given, to be sure), I don’t expect him to pardon anyone who could be compelled to testify against him.
TenguPhule
@Adam L Silverman: As you wish.
Major Major Major Major
@Chet Murthy: this blog has a content policy?
Adam L Silverman
@hovercraft: Manafort’s attorney has already indicated they just received the request, including request for documents and that he’s not confirming/committing that Manafort will testify next week.
As for pardons. That’s fine for anything under Federal law. Won’t do anything to effect whatever Schniederman is working in NY state.
TenguPhule
@SiubhanDuinne:
And the GOP smiles and nods away.
Baud
McCain passed up many opportunities to be courageous in politics. Maybe he will have one last shot at it.
smintheus
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
Perhaps true, though remember Nixon engaged in traitorous activity as well when he secretly arranged to undermine the Paris Peace Talks in 1968. He was about as no good as it’s possible to be no good.
JMG
McCain will likely never appear in the Senate again. Not a happy thing, but true.
Major Major Major Major
@smintheus: that Vietnam stunt was way worse than the third-rate burglary that ended up bringing him down. Ironic.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Major Major Major Major: I’ve been told it’s a fucking “Family Blog”.
hovercraft
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
Only when democrats retake power, these GOP have proven themselves to be totally incapable of fighting him, the base loves him, and he would whine incessantly about Fake News!! and witch hunts!!, and the base would believe him, so they would be stuck in the same vice they’re all in right now.
SiubhanDuinne
@Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.):
That’s cool. Did you simply go a Cyrillic keyboard to do that, or what?
Cheryl Rofer
@Chet Murthy: It’s easy to hate the people who hate you. But when you hate them, you’re giving them a place in your mind. Or, another thought, an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. So I choose not to do that.
Adam L Silverman
@Chet Murthy: Same thing I wrote to TenguPhule:
dmsilev
When contemplating Sen. McCain’s sad diagnosis, let’s remember to spare a moment for the unsung victims: the bookers for the Sunday morning political talk shows. Who will they turn to now?
smintheus
@Adam L Silverman: My immediate reaction too:
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Major Major Major Major: Al Capone ended up in “The Big House” for tax evasion.
Adria McDowell (formerly Lurker Extraordinaire
@smintheus: See also: Reagan, Ronald, and the Iran hostage episode.
lamh36
As much as I am not a fan of McCain…nobody “deserves” cancer…I wish him and his family the best.
You can wish the man the best & acknowledge that he really didn’t buck his party as much as his “maverick” image gave claim to.
I wonder if they discussed McCain’s diagnosis in the emergency meeting.
You have to imagine McCain’s team notified McConnell et al before the statement?
WaterGirl
@Mike J: I know it was a long time ago, but I am so sorry. I don’t even begin to know how families can handle that kind of situation. Happy news that they have identified the genes. I see that it’s more than one, I think that would have made it very tricky to figure out.
JMG
@smintheus: Like I said, I met him as a fight fan at a fight, not as a pol. BTW, the person he was talking fights with when I ran into him (it was Tyson-Ruddock, I now remember) was Spike Lee.
Chet Murthy
@Major Major Major Major: When multiple front-pagers nearly-simultaneously express a preference, it -is- a policy, yes? And they have that right, and I respect it fully. Just had to note that there are reasons why people act like ghouls. Because these times are changed, and they’re changing people.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@TenguPhule:
Awesome. Nobody except his cult followers respect him or his administration.
Meanwhile, next Tuesday El Presidente is going to grace us with his presence where beer bellies of all ages will go to scream for blood and worship their Messiah.
google.com/amp/wkbn.com/2017/07/18/president-trump-announces-youngstown-visit-next-week/amp/
SiubhanDuinne
@MJS:
A perfect outcome.
lamh36
smintheus
@SiubhanDuinne:
Like Nixon’s enemies list? Siccing the IRS on critics? Subverting the DOJ (his Attorney General went to jail over Watergate)? Failing to pay any income taxes while he was president?
Omnes Omnibus
@Chet Murthy: I owe you an apology from the other night. I misread something you wrote and reacted harshly. I am sorry.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@frosty:
The singular “they” is better than s/he when you don’t know the gender of a person
WaterGirl
@Baud: For a normal person, this would surely cause them to reflect on their legacy and what they want their final political act to be. He has never been the maverick that his (cultivated) reputation claims, but if he wants to earn that title, this could be his chance.
Catherine D.
@Trentrunner:
Ya, you betcha. I don’t wish personal suffering on McCain, but FFS recognize evil collaborators when you smell them.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@dmsilev: Lady Lindsey of course. SATSQ
Trentrunner
Sorry, but all this “concern” for McCain reminds me of pols’ worse-than-useless “thoughts and prayers” for twenty perforated children at Sandy Hook [or fill in your preferred horrific shooting tragedy here].
McCain’s diagnosis is THE PERFECT TIME to point out that in addition to everything terrible that McCain is going through, he does NOT have to worry that he will bankrupt his family because he fucking got cancer. HE HAS COVERAGE.
And we might even point out the hypocrisy of McCain siding with those who want to take away coverage from 32M+.
But this is not the time for “politics,” right?
This shit right here is why we lose. FIGHT. Use their fucking hypocrisy against them.
Why should John McCain not lose his savings and his house to cancer, and you should?
Why?
japa21
@Adam L Silverman: I have stated something similar in the recent past. I think Mueller knows a lot that he isn’t telling (which is consistent with his normal MO). Many of the principles, however, don’t necessarily know what he knows so they may well try to get away with some lies. After all, some things they know they know, and then there are those unknown things they don’t know, and of course the unknown things they think they know.
Cheryl Rofer
@Quinerly: This article calls Kennedy’s brain tumor a malignant glioma. Apparently there are several types in that family, including glioblastoma.
hovercraft
@(((CassandraLeo))):
That’s the only silver lining, the right wing crybabies will howl about the godless liberals in NY persecuting their savior and his family, but if Schniederman has the goods, I have no doubt he’ll throw the book at them. Probably why Twitler is concerned about Mueller delving into his finances, that would fall under the jurisdiction of the NY AG.
smintheus
@Major Major Major Major: Agreed. LBJ blew it when he didn’t tell the public that Nixon was conspiring with South Vietnam.
WaterGirl
@lamh36: Classy, as always.
edit; Classic Obama. He often praises people for what they could aspire to be, not necessarily who they are right now. I hope his tweet gives McCain strength because he will surely need it.
Major Major Major Major
@Trentrunner:
I doubt you’d find many here who disagree with that. What we’re saying is that it’s maybe a little uncouth to celebrate his cancer.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@smintheus:
Imagine, if he had. 1968 was scary and didn’t need to get scarier
Chet Murthy
@Omnes Omnibus: Oh heh, I saw that and figured you were reacting to my suggestion that the person asking for advice should bring along a friend who’s a crazy-ass bargainer. But seriously, it was no big deal. I’m fully-acclimated to “snarling pack of jackals” and find it one of the reasons to hang around here. So apology accepted, but really, completely unnecessary, OO. All in the fun and games, and we all make sure nobody loses an eye, so it’s all good.
frosty
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: True “they” is marginally better than all the clumsy alternatives. And “one” is hopelessly out of date. Like any language change, in a generation it will be considered normal. And in a generation, assumptions about gender won’t be made as easily either.
Sigh, one learns, doesn’t one? :-)
Jeffro
@TenguPhule:
McCain might want to get right with his conscien…oh wait, never mind…
Adam L Silverman
@Trentrunner: I think you’re missing the point that is being made. No one is indicating you can’t point out what you’re point out. What several of us are recommending is you not express unmitigated glee about someone who has basically just gotten a terminal diagnosis. That’s it.
Mnemosyne
@Chet Murthy:
IMO, there’s a difference between feeling that someone got their just deserts (or karma) and being happy that it happened to them.
I try to stay away from the “being happy” side. It’s bad for my own mental health.
Omnes Omnibus
@Trentrunner: I don’t thing anyone has any issues with anything you just typed. The reaction was to people typing, “McCain has brain cancer. Woohoo!”
Steeplejack
@smintheus:
Why the [sic]? That’s the correct form for the possessive of someone whose name ends in s.
SiubhanDuinne
@Trentrunner:
Your questions are all valid.
And not a single one of them has anything to do with showing a little fucking compassion toward someone who has fucking BRAIN CANCER.
They are separate conversations, and you are conflating them in a really horrible and inhumane way.
Patricia Kayden
@dmsilev: They’re being forever “audited” in some IRS purgatory from which they can never be freed. Sad!
Jeffro
@Mike J:
L
O
L
I can see that happening down the road…
Iowa Old Lady
@lamh36: This will not be the first time I realize Obama is a better person than I am.
smintheus
@Trentrunner: You do know McCain favored gun control reform before and after Sandy Hook?
lamh36
Another class act…
WaterGirl
@Trentrunner: Sometimes less is more. Barack Obama has always seemed to lay things out and nudge people by making them think, but it’s a hallmark for him that he lets people arrive at a conclusion themselves, which is much more powerful than if you just tell them whatever it is.
The healthcare connection is so obvious, as is the “this same brain cancer struck Ted Kennedy when healthcare was at stake last time”. Much better to let people have that thought themselves than for someone like President Obama to say it out loud. My two cents.
Trentrunner
@Adam L Silverman: Got it. I’m glee-free, as are my posts. I’m enraged at the inequity, hypocrisy, and the missing of the goddamn point.
japa21
@lamh36: So what was Trump’s tweet.? That he doesn’t respect people that get captured or get cancer?
Trentrunner
@WaterGirl: Thoughtful, intelligent, and empathetic.
And Obama is no longer fucking president. Donald “I like soldiers who weren’t captured” Trump is fucking president.
Maybe the time for “nudges” has passed.
Mike in NC
To be completely honest, how many of us haven’t been in debt for several million dollars at one time or another? Asking for a friend.
Adam L Silverman
@japa21: Correct. And this is what is the real concern with, for instance, the President’s doing his one hour confab with Putin at the end of the G20 principals banquet. Without anyone else from the US delegation, especially without someone from the delegation that speaks Russian and can provide a proper translation, then there is no independent (as in not just based on the President’s recollection) corroboration of what was said. It has been widely reported that Putin speaks English. My understanding is that he understands English, though his spoken English is not as good. Regardless, Putin had his translator there. I guarantee that translator is not just an interpreter and is also Russian Intel – most likely FSB. It would also not surprise me if either Putin or his translator also recorded the conversation. And, as Ambassador McFaul has stated several times over the past several days: Putin has known, excellent recall and the ability to create a comprehensive readout memo from memory shortly after a meeting concludes. As a result the President is now at the mercy of Putin. And, as several have remarked, there was clearly something the President wanted to discuss with Putin without anyone else in the US, including in his own administration, knowing what it was. Intentionally or not, knowingly or not, the President, in the manner that he handled this, just made himself a security risk by giving Putin leverage over him.
sm*t cl*de
@lamh36:
I was just thinking that McCain probably has Prez Carter on line 1, wishing him a good recovery.
Cheryl Rofer
Moar newsdump:
HR McMaster, Trump’s National Security Advisor, is going public with his concerns. Others are speaking anonymously. As I’ve said before, the sources are the most interesting part of these stories.
smintheus
@Steeplejack: The Times must think so. I don’t; a simple apostrophe is what’s needed after a final ‘s’.
geg6
@Trentrunner:
Exactly. My exact feelings on the matter, said better and more moderately than I could.
Wilson Heath
MAGA=Moscow’s Agents Get Access.
Adam L Silverman
@smintheus: As did Les Aspin in the House in the 80s when he decided that the US couldn’t handle a second impeachment within little more than a decade so he wound down the Iran-Contra investigations.
TenguPhule
@Cheryl Rofer: I’m surprised you didn’t mention the 1 hour meeting on Iran where Trump reportedly spent fifty-five minutes disagreeing with sane policy.
Ella in New Mexico
@TenguPhule:
Jesus, you and And anyone else here who has even a modicum of decency, apparently.
Your cause and your sentiments no longer matter if you can literally cut and paste the same kinds of words and thoughts and deeds as the bad guys, folks. And on a hierarchy of evil, I’m not putting John McCain at the top of the list of “deserves to die a painful brain cancer death after having been held in a war prison and tortured for 5 years” just because he’s a Republican Senator with health insurance and a rich wife.
The man doesn’t deserve this, period.
Chet Murthy
@Mnemosyne: Mnem, you’re absolutely right. And also about “for one’s own mental health”. There’s an episode of (UK crime procedural) Foyle’s War where a Scotland Yard inspector’s mother and sister are killed in a bombing raid, and he blames the bureaucrat who hadn’t done the paperwork to ensure that they’d been moved to a safe location. He finagles things to take over an investigation in Foyle’s jurisdiction (where the bureaucrat is hiding) in order to hunt down and kill the bureaucrat. In his last lines, he says “It’s what I’ve always said: War does different things to different people — look what it’s done to me?”
I’m not saying that this hate is a good thing. I’m not saying it’s a healthy thing. And notwithstanding that you (and the FPers) are probably right, I cannot react to McMaverick’s diagnosis with compassion, and I -do- and -did- feel glee. Is it a sign that I dehumanize him? Well, I am reminded of that big celebratory photo-op with Putinfluffer and all his House minions, after they passed the AHCA in the House.
I see their glee (in their attempts at our demise) and I return it to them, a thousand-fold.
lamh36
@SiubhanDuinne: def irony. someone on twitter posted Limbaugh’s reaction to Kennedy’s brain tumor…and as we already know…it’s not a classy reaction.
Iowa Old Lady
@japa21: Nothing so far. He hasn’t tweeted in something like 12 hours.
Major Major Major Major
@Ella in New Mexico: McCain was a POW?
Adam L Silverman
@Trentrunner: Enrage away!
Central Planning
@TenguPhule: nah. Fuck cancer, regardless of whom has it.
ETA – Can a grammar pedant help a brother out? Should that be ‘who’?
JMG
So far, Obama, both Clintons and Pelosi have tweeted best wishes to McCain. If they can, I can.
Cheryl Rofer
@TenguPhule: Was that today? It’s hard to keep track.
WaterGirl
@Trentrunner: Trump is a pig and a sociopath. And I loathe John McCain with the heat of a thousand suns, but I am still sorry he has to face brain cancer. If he, even now, still supports taking health care away from tens of millions of people, I will loathe him even more.
For what it’s worth, I didn’t see your comments as gleeful and the first comment by someone else was early in this thread. I think you were being honest, and I do appreciate that people share their thinking and sometimes process their thoughts out loud.
On a lighter note, for half a second when I read your reply to me I thought your “Thoughtful, intelligent, and empathetic” was in reference to my comment, then I realized you were talking about Obama and I had to laugh!
Ella in New Mexico
@lamh36: My classy President. That’s what I’m talkin’ about!
Jeffro
@Adam L Silverman: Just some minimal level of preparation. Some basic tradecraft and protocol. And perhaps a passable sense of optics? We’re not asking for a lot here, TrumpTrain.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@Adam L Silverman:
Tbh, the only person I could express glee about having an inoperable brain tumor would be Trump or Putin
lamh36
@SiubhanDuinne: Also Beau Biden
Adam L Silverman
@Cheryl Rofer: Given McMaster is still on active duty, this is a huge thing.
tybee
i’m with the uncouth: the only thing that the “maverick” should have to go with his medical issues is a lack of insurance.
just like he and his compassionate fellow senators tried repeatedly to do to millions.
fuck him
SiubhanDuinne
@WaterGirl:
We can say it here, though, amongst ourselves. As many of us have done already.
TenguPhule
@Ella in New Mexico:
Its not just that. He has a long history of being among other things, a crook, an enabler of evil and many other sins and crimes for which he has never been truly held to account for.
ETA: Keating Five was just the tip of the iceberg. He destroyed who knows how many lives and families.
Lapassionara
@lamh36: now, that is class. I miss Obama!
I also think Irony may not be dead, since the whole kerfluffle about the ACA passing was in part at least caused when Senator Ted Kennedy died of brain cancer.
sm*t cl*de
@JMG:
And you know that the entire Breitbart readership is revelling in the thought of his painful demise.
schrodingers_cat
@Mnemosyne: I agree, I want to be able to look myself in the eye when I look at the mirror. Its about being able to live with yourself. I was gleeful when M^2 fell flat on his face yesterday.
Ella in New Mexico
@Major Major Major Major: Yes. Have you heard?
Trentrunner
Actual Trump tweet, just now:
Iowa Old Lady
@Central Planning: IMHO, that should be “who” because it’s the subject of “has it.” The entire clause is the object of the preposition “of.”
Adam L Silverman
@Jeffro: Apparently we’re asking for far too much.
Ella in New Mexico
@TenguPhule: Thank God you’re here to do that, then.
Jeffro
I love Orangemandias, I really do… the audio of him throwing Sessions under the bus is just un.be.lievable.
On top of that, he’s apparently said if Mueller looks into the Trumpov family finances unrelated to Russia (whatever that means to Trumpov – anything beyond a Russian passbook savings account?) then Mueller has crossed a ‘red line’.
Buckle up!!
lamh36
Cheeto’s statement:
twitter.com/ddale8/status/887841855349678080
Cheryl Rofer
Major Major Major Major
@smintheus: single apostrophe after a final s is only for plurals, IIRC.
@Cheryl Rofer: UGGHGHHHHGHF THESE FUCKING GUYS
SiubhanDuinne
@lamh36:
You’re right, I had forgotten that his was also a brain tumor.
I lost a very dear friend to the same thing about, oh gee, must be 35 years ago now. It’s wicked.
smintheus
@Adam L Silverman: The country has paid a steep price ever since then for those two decisions to trim sails. Ford’s pardoning of Nixon is right up there as a disaster for the rule of law.
dmsilev
@JMG:
But not, at least so far, Trump.
Real classy, that guy.
(personal view: I’m not fond of Sen McCain, to put it mildly. Still, cancer is a damn ugly thing even when it is treatable, and I feel sorry for him and his family for the journey that they’re about to undergo)
Edit: OK, so I posted 30 seconds after someone explained in small words to Trump why he should let a statement go out under his name.
bystander
@tybee: Yes. I wish I found the humanity in myself to care after everything he has done to keep all Americans from having healthcare. But I don’t. And Meghan McCain I won’t dignify by reading.
Trump now refers to himself in the third person as “the President”. I hate to think what a psychiatrist would think this signifies.
TenguPhule
@Cheryl Rofer: The report was today, the actual meeting apparently a few days ago.
Gelfling 545
@Cheryl Rofer: I’m sorry to hear it. There was a time when I had respect for Sen. McCain. I hope his last days will be peaceful.
WaterGirl
@SiubhanDuinne: Oh, I absolutely agree. I was just saying that it doesn’t take President Obama to say it, which would be unseemly because he is, after all, still President Obama. :-)
amygdala
@Cheryl Rofer: This is correct, and from what I have read of Ted Kennedy’s rumor, and perhaps more to the point, the details of the treatment he received, he had a glioblastoma. The WHO futzes around with the classification scheme of brain tumors periodically.
i mentioned the other day that the type of surgery and the bleeding raised concern for metastatic melanoma, and that the focus on waiting for the path report was not typical for a routine subdural hematoma. The most common type of brain tumor in adults is metastatic and of mets that bleed, melanoma would be high on the list. Of primary brain tumors, ones that arise in the brain (or its linings), glioblastoma similarly has a tendency to bleed. That’s related to abnormal blood vessels that arise with the tumor. Beau Biden also had a GBM, as did Robert Novack.
McCain’s age is not in his favor, in terms of prognosis, but if they were able to achieve a so-called gross total resection, that would improve his outlook. It’s in his dominant frontal lobe, but likely a reasonable distance from his language areas and motor cortex, given where the surgery was performed. First-line chemo now used for GBM is better-tolerated than older regimens, which is important for maximizing quality of life. And there are better radiation and so-called salvage chemo options available these days.
It’s worth noting that even though he probably has great supplemental health insurance because he is a Senator, based on his age, he’d have Medicare, and that would be pretty good coverage. In some states, a GBM diagnosis automatically qualifies a person for Medicaid if they’re eligible by income/assets criteria.
My condolences to everyone here who has lost a loved one to this horrible disease. It’s a diagnosis that makes neurosurgeons and neurologists wince, because it’s not a common disease on a population-wide scale, but it’s all too common in our practices. I hope he has a good response to treatment.
EBT
@(((CassandraLeo))): If singular they is good enough for shakespeare then it’s good enough for everyone else.
Adam L Silverman
@smintheus: No argument here.
Jeffro
More from the Trumpov NYT whine, er, interview:
Well, see, there you go…
Is he channeling Twitter Dick Nixon directly there with the Baltimore comment or something? It’s eerie!!
debbie
@dmsilev:
Trump’s too busy drawing up an enemy’s list of those who don’t vote his way on healthcare.
WaterGirl
@schrodingers_cat: Who is M^2 ?
SiubhanDuinne
@lamh36:
This, THIS, THIS is why Barack Obama is a great man, and Donald Trump is not.
TenguPhule
@Ella in New Mexico: Can you tell me in all honesty that if he had voted on the repeal of the ACA and it had then passed into law and *after* *that* this news broke, you would still feel the same way?
Major Major Major Major
@Jeffro: Trump saying that somebody else has conflicts of interest up the wazoo, give me a break!
@TenguPhule: I can.
Shana
@Iowa Old Lady: I believe I read somewhere earlier today that lying while testifying to Congress is a federal crime.
smintheus
@Major Major Major Major: It used to be the rule for all names ending in ‘s’. Chicago Manual of Style, however, went down a rabbit hole on this and lots of others have followed them.
Gelfling 545
@frosty: You may grit but you will be heating more of it, especially from the more socially aware young people who do not wish to be designated by gender specific terms.
Ella in New Mexico
@Adam L Silverman: I wouldn’t have put it past him that he offered up Melania if Putin gets him out of this mess, once and for all…
schrodingers_cat
@WaterGirl: Mitch McConnell.
Omnes Omnibus
@WaterGirl: McTurtle.
dmsilev
Just for the record:
(source)
TenguPhule
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:
Paul Ryan. Mitch McConnell. Ted Cruz, Scott Pruitt. Samuel Alito Neil Gorsuch. Jeff Sessions.
You were saying?
debbie
@tybee:
Whoa. There comes a time to put shit like that aside. My dad died of brain cancer. It gets very, very ugly.
ETA: Also to others expressing similar sentiments. Bad for the karma.
lamh36
@sm*t cl*de: btw, did Cheeto EVER issue a statement on Pres Carter when he had his dehydration spell at the HFH event in Canada? I mean Justin “freakn” Trudeau issues a statement for Pres Carter…Cheeto? Nothing if I recall
Mike J
@Central Planning:
The way to tell is to restate the sentence using either he or him. If you use hiM, use whoM. He, use who.
He has it or him has it? He. So, “regardless of who has it.”
Quinerly
@amygdala:
Thanks for this post. Much appreciated.
TenguPhule
@Major Major Major Major:
And you are a better person then I am.
raven
@TenguPhule: You know, you are one annoying little motherfucker.
Major Major Major Major
@TenguPhule: yes, he was saying it about himself, not about you, Ghouly McGhoulFace
Gelfling 545
@Fair Economist: “until there’s an election”
And maybe beyond that. This is a bad time for added uncertainty.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@frosty:
Language changes with the times. You could look at any time period and people would have similar complaints
Ella in New Mexico
@TenguPhule: No, I would not celebrate the misery and suffering caused by a brain tumor on John McCain, even if he voted for a very stupid healthcare plan. Mostly because I know the terrible indignity and misery dying from cancer wreaks on a human being. Believe me, it is punishment enough for a person’s bad political decisions. I don’t have to cheer it on.
Need I remind you, we are the good guys. We don’t do that kind of thing in this family. ;-)
Adam L Silverman
It’s going to be one of those nights! Or is that night’s? Or nights’? Knights? Knight’s? Knights’s? Nights’s? Nights’es? Knights’s? Knights’es? Anyhow:
Steve in the ATL
@Ella in New Mexico:
Um, that’s where he got her in the first place!
SFAW
@Chet Murthy:
And I thought Omnes had intended to respond to me and my ball-busting re: the Saab’s top end, and clicked on the worng “Reply” button. Now I find it was just another case of SFAW Syndrome, i.e., poor reading comprehension. Damn.
PaulWartenberg
I do hope Sen. John McCain does recover well from his brain tumor.
I did support him in 2000, back when the choice was him or Dubya, and when there was a chance McCain was genuine about being a bipartisan figure. His subsequent groveling to Dubya by 2004 was one of the reasons I broke with a Republican Party I couldn’t recognize anymore.
Omnes Omnibus
@Adam L Silverman:
Nih!
Jeffro
@Cheryl Rofer:
@Adam L Silverman:
The Babysitting That Dare Not Speak Its Name? While reporters are (imho) putting more and more out there, this almost has to be a no-go zone for them…they almost can’t report on it, for fear that Orangemandias will see it and throw off whatever safeguards (like McMaster, for all his faults) exist.
Oh wait…all they have to do is not report it on the cable news channels. Nevermind.
TenguPhule
@Ella in New Mexico:
Good is not always nice.
Iowa Old Lady
@Jeffro: For some reason, it sounds odd to me to hear Trump talking about the FBI Director or a US Senator having a “job.” I know those positions are jobs in that they’re a way to earn a living. But a ten-year appointment or an election to office feel like something more.
SFAW
@Steve in the ATL:
In a manner of speaking, I guess, since she’s his handler (in an IC sense).
TenguPhule
@Adam L Silverman: And what do you predict the Republicans are going to say about it?
Other then “Fake News” of course?
SiubhanDuinne
@TenguPhule:
We must be back in the “Game of Thrones” thread.
WaterGirl
@schrodingers_cat: @Omnes Omnibus: Of course! Fell flat on his face yesterday was a big clue, and I missed it.
Omnes Omnibus
@@SFAW: Damn, that would have been a better story. Let’s just pretend that’s what happened.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@TenguPhule:
Maybe Paul and Mitch. There’s just something about Trump, his ignorant assholish arrogance perhaps, that just makes me really wish he would just die. Somehow. Trump, Paul, McConnell, and Putin come as close as it gets to evil without being Hitler
efgoldman
@Adam L Silverman:
Every single one of us has a terminal diagnosis, some sooner than others.
TenguPhule
@raven: I object to that last one.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@Iowa Old Lady:
A duty?
Cheryl Rofer
The Times has posted excerpts from their interview. Begins with the same autoplay Trump whining that the article does. I have to wonder what they didn’t post.
TenguPhule
@SiubhanDuinne:
Its not as much fun when the consequences are real.
SFAW
@TenguPhule:
There’s a difference between “not being/playing nice” and “being a dick.” Better if you’re not the latter.
BBA
Setting the record straight on a family member’s involvement in a bizarre story posted here recently. Probably the most sordid thing a member of my modest clan has even been mentioned in association with.
Adam L Silverman
@Ella in New Mexico: Putin is dating Murdoch’s ex Wendi Deng. It is a Sino-Russian detente sort of thing.
Iowa Old Lady
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: And a public trust.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@Adam L Silverman: Jesus, it just keeps getting worse
TenguPhule
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:
I want him tried and convicted in a court of law. Really badly. This nation will not survive without that.
Dead by any other means won’t solve anything and will probably make things worse.
smintheus
@Adam L Silverman: Deutsche Bank is one sleazy institution. If you’ve lost Deutsche Bank, you’re really a bad customer.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@raven: ???
Adam L Silverman
@raven: Like LBJ?
What?
Quinerly
@Cheryl Rofer:
Thanks for the article. I’m dipping in and out of the comments…trying to avoid the really disturbing ones.
WaterGirl
@SFAW: Do people really think she’s his handler, is or that something that is said mockingly?
SFAW
@Omnes Omnibus:
Works for me, and it keeps Chet from sending a parka-clad “wet team” to the wilds of Wisco, to exact revenge for your (unintentional, of course) insult.
Major Major Major Major
@efgoldman:
Is that really true for people who get, like, hit by a bus?
Lapassionara
@dmsilev: but if McCain doesn’t resign, and stays in office, but doesn’t get back to DC to vote, because of illness, what happens?
germy
@Major Major Major Major: If it happens in a bus terminal.
Redshift
@Major Major Major Major:
Keep in mind that, in addition to obviously not believing that conflicts of interest apply to him, it’s also been clear since Day One that Trump behaves as if everything on Fox is absolutely true.
They say that a Democrat cannot possibly conduct an impartial investigation of a Republican, therefore it is true. It never occurs to him that it’s utter nonsense, so he spouts this stuff to anyone.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@Iowa Old Lady:
1. “Serve the public trust”
2. “Protect the innocent”
3. “Uphold the law”
Steve in the ATL
@BBA:
Eh, that’s nothing. My 73-year old former CPA, who is married to my wife’s aunt, is sitting in a Brazilian prison after getting caught with several keys of white in the Sao Paulo airport. The good news? Had he not gotten caught there, he almost certainly would have been busted when the flight landed in Dubai, and he would have been executed already.
WaterGirl
@germy: groan.
Ruckus
@Adam L Silverman:
FUCK Fucking John McCain’s cancer.
FUCK Everyone’s Fucking Cancer.
You haven’t had some, good for you. You may be next. I was. I may still be again. It really isn’t a laughing matter nor is it fun or funny in any way.
ETA That’s the editorial you, not you personally, Adam.
I made a comment a while back about drumpf and drumpf voters and cancer and I was wrong. I was having a very bad day and lashed out. It was still wrong. Wish they all get a brain for xmas, wish they all find an ice berg to ride out to sea, wish they all suffer losing their health insurance for voting for the asshole that’s trying to take it away from them because he’s less than 7 in both mentality and maturity. And fucking stupid.
SFAW
@WaterGirl:
I said it as a joke, but it would not surprise me if it were true. I don’t actually think it’s true, but Preznit* Lying Littledick has exceeded (in the negative sense) the worst fears and expectations so much, and to such a great degree, that I’d be a fool to discount it completely.
Well, more of a fool than I already am, that is.
WaterGirl
@Redshift: Just wondering how you are doing. I asked last night but I might have missed a reply.
Steve in the ATL
@Omnes Omnibus: hey, were you in Atlanta today? I saw a guy driving around in a Saab with Kentucky plates and thought it just had to be you!
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@Redshift:
If that’s the case, then obviously a Republican can’t conduct an impartial investigation on a Democrat, right? So that means the Voter Integrity Commission should be disbanded immediately, aside from the two Dems?
Adam L Silverman
@TenguPhule: Here you go:
4.bp.blogspot.com/-6q7W1cNELCc/VcOhBi1tE3I/AAAAAAAAHt8/5omUhLt_ErQ/s1600/Selection_062.png
And:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/–1-x1hGH_XA/UqDzQB08HXI/AAAAAAAADAk/tt5L-upRDGU/s1600/Extreme+Right+Bingo+Updated.png
frosty
@Gelfling 545: Also true. Doesn’t mean it will ever sound right to these ears. I try to avoid it in my writing. Sometimes passive voice or changing the whole sentence to plural instead of singular can work. I’m long past using “he” to represent any gender though. When you see that in some older writing it grates just as badly.
smintheus
@Lapassionara: What happens is Mitch is down to 51 votes as long as McCain stays away. And he still won’t work with Democrats.
Major Major Major Major
@WaterGirl: I thought it was pretty funny!
Steve in the ATL
@WaterGirl: she was given to him as a thank you gift from his Russian gangster financiers, then he and she made a business agreement and now we have a Slovenian escort as first lady. Which is far, far better than what we have as president.
dmsilev
@Lapassionara: McConnell needs either a majority of votes cast or a tie (which would be broken by Pence). With McCain unable to vote and assuming that all other Senators are present, he can only afford a single defection (which would result in a 50-49 vote). Two defections, and he’d lose 49-50.
Albert Z.
@Cheryl Rofer: So fighter, but still not a “war hero”?
TenguPhule
@Ruckus: I presume you meant that for me and not Adam.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@TenguPhule:
I truly want this as well. Sometimes I just want to see an evil dick like Trump get what he deserves
Adam L Silverman
@Lapassionara: Technically the GOP majority is reduced by one. That makes it impossible for him to lose any of his caucus in order to pass anything without at least one Democratic or Independent who caucuses with the Democrat’s votes.
TenguPhule
@Adam L Silverman: On a more serious note, we are headed to Debt Ceiling meltdown and nothing is scheduled. This event is not going to help.
frosty
@Adam L Silverman: I believe it’s nightssssessss, preciousssss.
Adam L Silverman
@smintheus: And then nothing happens unless he can definitely lock in his enture caucus. Gonna make Senator Collins and Senator Murkowski the co-empresses of the United States. I expect Senator McCain will not immediately resign, especially as they’re so close to the August recess. What this will do is further bog everything down for the GOP majorities in Congress.
WaterGirl
@Major Major Major Major: Truth be told, I chuckled, too. That was SO my dad’s sense of humor. I’ve said this before here, but his favorite joke was “If you steal a mink, it’s a mink stole”.
(Are you old enough to remember women wearing mink stoles?)
SiubhanDuinne
Wow, between this place and Facebook, things are getting really ugly, and I’m having serious second thoughts about a lot of people I considered “friends.”
zhena gogolia
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
He has a way with words.
SiubhanDuinne
@Steve in the ATL:
Why would a guy from Wisconsin have Kentucky plates?
WaterGirl
@SiubhanDuinne: Maybe people will wake up tomorrow and regret any gleeful response to the news?
Karen
I am reminded of what my grandmother once told me, that when we celebrate the pain, suffering or downfall of another person we become no better than those whom we call evil.
I don’t have to like McCain; but I have watched family members die a terrible painful death from cancer and no matter how “evil” a person is I can’t wish that on anyone. The hardest hit are those left behind, the partners, the children, the grandchildren; unless that person was abusive to them they are going to be losing someone who was part of their lives and it will leave a painful hole.
Redshift
@WaterGirl:
Thanks for asking. I’m recovering pretty well. My surgeon must be pretty good; I didn’t even have to take Tylenol when I got home (though they gave me the good stuff right after the surgery.) I won’t have biopsy results for a week or two.
WaterGirl
@SiubhanDuinne: I think that was kind of said in jest, for me it was the “!” that gave it away.
smintheus
@WaterGirl: My mother recently asked if we’d like to have my long-departed grandmother’s mink stole. The wife and I just rolled our eyes.
Omnes Omnibus
A way to handle the situation.
Adam L Silverman
@TenguPhule: I believe I wrote something about that in March.
Redshift
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:
You’d think so, but it never seems to occur to them. Logic isn’t their strong suit.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@SiubhanDuinne:
I do feel sorry for McCain despite everthing he has done. Cancer is horrible. I can’t extend that pity for someone like Trump, however. I truly hate that piece of shit. There’s literally nothing redeemable about him and he’ll never change
Omnes Omnibus
@SiubhanDuinne: He’s trying to fuck with me.
mai naem mobile
@Adam L Silverman: I was wondering if Wendy Deng was at the G20 spouses dinner where Dolt 45 had that extra meeting with Putin.
debbie
@WaterGirl:
Boy, you really are an optimist, aren’t you! ;)
WaterGirl
@Karen: That’s how I feel. I loathe McCan, but I am still terribly sorry that he has to face this.
Adam L Silverman
@frosty: I’ll allow it, but we need a final ruling from Steeplejack.
SiubhanDuinne
@WaterGirl:
Maybe monkeys will fly out of my butt?
Adam L Silverman
@mai naem mobile: She wasn’t. Putin travelled with only his official delegation members to the G20.
WaterGirl
@Karen: I tried to edit my comment to add this, but FYWP wasn’t having it.
edit: People are complicated!
Also, I think the election and the total disrespect for, well pretty much everything, has made it a real challenge to process, and a whole lot of people are feeling a level of anger they they have never experienced before. It can take time to right the boat and fight for our democracy and not succumb to the natural anger and rage many of us are feeling.
SiubhanDuinne
@Omnes Omnibus:
And yet he ends up fucking with me.
Seems, to use one of President* Trump’s favourite words, unfair.
WaterGirl
@Redshift: Wow, that’s kind of surprising, but good news! A week or two is such a long time to wait. IF only there were things going on in the world to help provide at least a bit of distraction. :-)
Omnes Omnibus
@WaterGirl: I fucking apologized to Chet, god damn it!
WaterGirl
@SiubhanDuinne: @debbie: I’m guessing that you think the answer to my question is no!
LAO
I go out to dinner one night and this news breaks. Goddamit!
ETA: the Sessions news not McCain. I may not like McCain, but I certainly don’t wish an agonizing death on him. Sessions, on the other hand…
Mnemosyne
@Cheryl Rofer:
OMFG. He actually used the phrase “thoughts and prayers.”
Christ, what an asshole.
WaterGirl
@Omnes Omnibus: I saw that. Go you! Seriously, though, your comment made me laugh.
Adam L Silverman
@LAO: Always be Balloon Juicing!
Redshift
@WaterGirl: I could do with a bit less of this sort of distraction…
WaterGirl
@Mnemosyne: He didn’t write that. It was surely someone else. And not someone very bright because something in the wording of the tweet made me immediately remember his “I like people who weren’t captured” or whatever the hell is was he said that was so awful about McCain.
My second thought upon reading the tweet is that they kind of did a partial cut & paste from Obama and Hillary and came out with something cookie cutter and disingenuous.
WaterGirl
@Redshift: Perhaps I could interest you in something from the “charges from Mueller’ dessert plate”?; Or perhaps something with treason? I believe the chef is cooking up something special in the kitchen.
OT, I thought it was in too poor taste the other night – and I truly hope it’s not in poor taste even now – but I was really shocked at your diagnosis the other day. It’s always upsetting to hear something like that about a commenter you’ve seen for ages, but it was an additional shock to me because I had always thought you were female. :-)
david spikes
@trollhattan: No we are not. Because after Walnuts stops wrinkling his brows and being concerned he always votes with the nut jobs. And he loves blowing up prople-it’s his foreign policy fall back.
So, sorry about the cancer, but fuck him.
Adam L Silverman
@WaterGirl: Most likely his caddy. Who is the White House Director of Social Media.
Steve in the ATL
@SiubhanDuinne: cat got your sense of humor?
Ruckus
@TenguPhule:
I meant it for everyone. I meant it for me, as I explained in the second graph.
But yes it’s directed at you at the moment. We are all angry, many of us may suffer greatly if the assholes have their way with healthcare. Worse, a lot of those people just got healthcare because of the ACA and now they may lose it. Republicans voted for drumpf, they voted for the assholes that want to fuck us for a few dollars for their paymasters. Fuck them for that.
But unless you’ve lost a loved one to cancer or even just endured it yourself you have no idea. I got a phone call, “Your biopsy was positive, you have cancer.” It was over 2 yrs from scheduling that biopsy to the end of 9 weeks/5 days a week of treatment. It’s likely to be a year after that to know if my cancer is reduced to undetectable. It can come back, I can get another form. I went through 2 invasive biopsies, and radiation target insertions and a CT to check their placement, a nuclear bone scan, 2 MRIs, that 9 weeks of treatment during which I could only work half of what I normally do, I paid $50 for every procedure, treatment, appointment with the attending in charge at any one time. There were 2 attendings with different specialties. Now the kicker. My cancer is/was an “easy one.” It doesn’t get real deadly until it spreads and it can take 10-15 yrs to do that. My sister wasn’t so lucky. They found hers, she went through chemo, twice, she still died after all that when they opened her up and went “Oh Holy Shit.” She lasted 8 days after that major surgery. She’s not my only relative to have died from cancer. Not even my only close relative.
Cancer is never fun or funny. It will always kill you if you don’t know until it’s too late, it may easily kill you if you do know and even after you go all through what I did, it can come back, you can grow another type, you can have multiple types at the same time. Treatment can be surgery, radiation, chemo, sometimes all three. The treatments can be almost as bad as the cancer itself. They have to kill the cancer without doing too much damage to everything else. Those things that kill the cancer can kill the rest of you. As I said mine was “easy” and while I felt a lot better after 2 months, it took another couple to feel semi normal again. A tough cancer? Fuck me.
Steeplejack
@smintheus:
Poppycock. Balderdash, even. What rabbit hole? Section 7.16 seems pretty clear. Discussion here (since the main site is behind a paywall). “Kansas’s legislature” is the first example.
The argument from authority works only if your authority backs you up. But there’s a new edition coming out in September, so maybe there will be a change.
Miss Bianca
I don’t wish McCain ill. What I *do* wish is that Mr. Mavericky, realizing what a devastating blow this diagnosis and treatment is for even the well-heeled and well-insured, undergoes a Scrooge-like transformation, where he acknowledges to himself the obscene inhumanity of his fellow Republicans’ stand on the ACA, and remains compos mentis enough to communicate this change of heart to them and the rest of the world.
I also have never stopped wishing for a pony.
liberal
@david spikes: yep. He’s a war-mongering monster. Can’t die quickly enough.
Karen
@WaterGirl: I agree, seems since the election so many people have felt “free” to express their anger and hatred towards others, makes it hard for me since I inherited my Irish grandmother’s “gift’ of empathy. There are “waves” of hate and anger, and it sadden me to find people here willing to celebrate the suffering of another person
Jeffro
@Iowa Old Lady:
I agree, it’s odd…but insightful. To Trumpov, that’s what it is, a “job”, that most anybody could fill. Like the presidency.
Ella in New Mexico
@Karen: beautifully said.
Ella in New Mexico
@Miss Bianca: totally agree
Ruckus
@Mnemosyne:
I actually learned how to and did put out petroleum fires with water in the navy. And I served as entry man for a year. That’s the guy that goes in first, axe in hand, with the water guys behind him. I haven’t to this day figured out if they chose me because I was smart enough to do the job or because I was stupid enough to. We had two fires on board, both after I moved up in rank and no longer worked on damage control, so I never go to find out what a real fire was like other than training. Getting that real alarm at 3am out in the middle of the Atlantic is fun though.
Trentrunner
@Karen: …as will every other person in America today who received McCain’s diagnosis.
But NOT ONE of them is trying to take away the health care of 32M other people.
McCain is.
That is appalling. That is NOT heroic.
Karen
@Ruckus: the one thing that hit me harder than anything was that the UW Medical at Madison wouldn’t give me an appointment with oncologist until after I proved I had a living will. Being told the biopsy came back positive for cancer was hard, but for some reason being told that you couldn’t even get an appointment without living will? it was like being told we expect you to not survive what we are going to do to you.
WaterGirl
@Adam L Silverman: See, this is how bad it’s gotten. I have no idea whether that’s true or snark.
WaterGirl
@Jeffro: @Iowa Old Lady: Oh, my thought was completely different. If it’s a “job” then you can be FIRED. Just like rMoney, he likes to fire people. Makes him feel powerful.
Omnes Omnibus
@Trentrunner: At this point, it seems like you are deliberately missing the point people were making.
Ruckus
@Karen:
Is that Wisconsin law maybe? I didn’t have to do that for the VA. They recommend it, and it isn’t a bad idea but I’ve never heard that someone had to do that to get treated. Thinking about it realistically, and at first run through, it’s not a bad idea. OTOH I’d probably not like it if I couldn’t get treatment without having one.
Ruckus
@Omnes Omnibus:
Agreed.
The Lodger
@lamh36: God damn, do I miss Barack Obama.
stinger
@Jeffro: And regarding which, he can announce, “You’re fired!”
ETA: Or, like what WaterGirl said.
Karen
@Ruckus: I think it was UW policy, after I was all done I realized it was a good thing to have; but still that hit hard. Ended up “funny” I had thyroid cancer which means radioactive iodine treatment, which I am highly allergic to. So my primary was told to increase my thyroid hormone, to make sure I wasn’t taking synthetic, and that would have the effect of preventing cancer from growing and likely cause it to die. The idea was to give primary chance to talk me into treatment, and primary and I were like? if increasing level of hormones kills off cancer why not just do that? so we did. worked.
Vhh
@Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.): Actually, in Russian the whole thing is khorosho … ie good to delightful.
fuckwit
@Cheryl Rofer: yep. I bet his drs did MRIs every which way after that, and found the “blood clot”. Didn’t want to diagnose until the biopsy came back, but there it is.
He’s a vile politician. Fuck that guy, but, fuck cancer more.
I hope he and his family can find peace. I hope he can squeeze as many years of good health in as possible.
(((CassandraLeo)))
@EBT: And Austen and Chaucer and dozens of others whom I regard as more credible authorities on the English language than prescriptivists. Agreed.
@hovercraft: And of course, a lot of Schneiderman’s investigations began long before Twitler ever made a serious run for the presidency.
Ruckus
@Karen:
Congrats on winning.
Sometimes specialists can not see past the box they work in. Sometimes they see the simple answer and may want you to take a reasonable action they aren’t able to give to you. IOW increasing your hormone may not have been within their power to do, they didn’t prescribe in the first place. Just a possible. I know at the VA, because everything is in your electronic record and the pharmacy reviews all prescriptions and has limitations on what can be mixed, changed or increased and not and because PCPs are Nurse practitioners or someone of that level, attendings can change a PCP’s prescription. I’ve had it done. If I state that I don’t want it done without the PCP approval, they do honor that. I’ve done that as well.
janelle
@TenguPhule: You’re no better than the odious scum you find on Breitbart comment sections. You’re an embarrassment to progressives.
janelle
A frighteningly large number of comments on this thread look like they could have literally been posted on Breitbart.
So that’s fucking awesome. Barf.
Karen
@Ruckus: thanks, my primary practiced mostly alternative and wellness medicine; he encouraged patients to be proactive in treatments. He is/was one of the few who not only believe but encourage and practice that everything in your life has an effect on your health. Sent a friend to him, she was having problems and her primary kept changing meds; she hated him since the first thing he encouraged her to do was cut out processed foods and start walking every day.
Ruckus
@Karen:
And sometimes we are our own worst enemies.
Ruckus
@janelle:
People are angry. We all sometimes say things that do not reflect our best intentions when we are. And it’s not difficult to see why so many are angry, is it? Life is difficult enough without people trying to kill you, AND make you pay for it at the same time, let alone be just abjectly stupid all the while.
Don’t know about breitbart, don’t go there, don’t see any reason to inflict abject stupidity on myself for no reason. I’ll take your word for it.