Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

We need to vote them all out and restore sane Democratic government.

No offense, but this thread hasn’t been about you for quite a while.

The fight for our country is always worth it. ~Kamala Harris

We’ve had enough carrots to last a lifetime. break out the sticks.

How stupid are these people?

Never give a known liar the benefit of the doubt.

I’m starting to think Jesus may have made a mistake saving people with no questions asked.

We can’t confuse what’s necessary to win elections with the policies that we want to implement when we do.

Republicans do not trust women.

They were going to turn on one another at some point. It was inevitable.

Do not shrug your shoulders and accept the normalization of untruths.

People are complicated. Love is not.

You don’t get to peddle hatred on saturday and offer condolences on sunday.

There are no moderate republicans – only extremists and cowards.

The republican caucus is covering themselves with something, and it is not glory.

One of our two political parties is a cult whose leader admires Vladimir Putin.

Hey Washington Post, “Democracy Dies in Darkness” was supposed to be a warning, not a mission statement.

There are times when telling just part of the truth is effectively a lie.

Peak wingnut was a lie.

The words do not have to be perfect.

The “burn-it-down” people are good with that until they become part of the kindling.

Republicans got rid of McCarthy. Democrats chose not to save him.

“Just close your eyes and kiss the girl and go where the tilt-a-whirl takes you.” ~OzarkHillbilly

I’d like to think you all would remain faithful to me if i ever tried to have some of you killed.

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Further proof — as if we needed it — that the entire Republican party has abandoned all thought of governing in favor of merely obstructing.

What’s on the agenda as we start the much-needed weekend?

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  2. 2.

    WaterGirl

    Anyone who votes yes on a motion to proceed – without knowing what’s in a bill – is just a whore who can be bought has been bought with money or power or threats and has absolutely no business being in an elected official in this government.

    edited

  5. 5.

    hellslittlestangel

    Of course The Orange Better One has your back. It’s the safest place to stick the knife.

  6. 6.

    MisterForkbeard

    I mean, it’s clearly karmic justice for Republicans that when they finally control all three branches of government… that Donald “4 year old” Trump is president.

    I’m just trying to figure out what the rest of us did to deserve it.

  7. 7.

    Peale

    @WaterGirl: and of 52 GOP senators, 48 appear to be whores. Yet the GOP faithful will assume their good senator is really is an upstanding prick.

  9. 9.

    MisterForkbeard

    @Baud: Yep! I’ve already seen redditors and facebook idiots saying the same thing. “Pelosi said worse and she did it first!”, conveniently ignoring what Pelosi’s quote was actually about.

  11. 11.

    jl

    My new suggestion from previous thread for talking points for people who have GOP ‘moderate’ ‘Senators’:

    ” I think a good opener would be ‘Listen, you idiot shitforbrains, are you planning to vote on some shit you don’t even know what it is? My goddamned dog can be trained to do that. I want to see your ass on the local news denouncing this whole corrupt asinine bullshit, or I’m going to see to it that your sorry ass is out of your cushy gummint job after the next election. ”

    Good to be polite at the opening. Then you can move to ‘direct’ and if he or she won’t listen, then dial it up to ‘rude’. “

  12. 12.

    (((CassandraLeo)))

    @WaterGirl: I must object to the comparison. Sex workers perform a valuable public service that generally makes lonely people happier, and I suspect it’s not work everyone could do. Republican Congresscritters are looting the country to the benefit of no one but their rich donors and Russia. They are thieves, not whores.

  14. 14.

    MisterForkbeard

    @Baud: Let’s go with “Democrats generally and the Balloon Juice commentariat specifically.” :)

  16. 16.

    Raoul

    John Cornyn seems to be cracking under the tight leash McConnell has allowed him. I’d be sad for his mental state, but he’s a grade-A asshole, so, nope!

  17. 17.

    Bruuuuce

    Some good news. The Senate parliamentarian has noted sections of the bill (including defunding Planned Parenthood) as it stands violate the rules for reconciliation and either need to be stripped or 60 votes will be required for passage. Huzzah! (And waiting for the rabid right to attack the parliamentarian as outdated, wrong, and a lie-brul plant in 3…2…1…)

  19. 19.

    nightranger

    @MisterForkbeard:

    I mean, it’s clearly karmic justice for Republicans that when they finally control all three branches of government… that Donald “4 year old” Trump is president.

    Oh stop exaggerating. He’s at least 10, maybe even 14.

  20. 20.

    jl

    Cornyn is a stupid and dishonest abject hack.

    Several health care analysts, including BJ’s David Anderson said that bipartisan bill that Collins initiated earlier this year was a good start.
    So, they have no choice, IF they want to jam through a strictly partisan, incompetent, dishonest, bill

    That might be another issue to bring up in calls to GOP moderates. Instruct them to get on the damn TV and denounce the whole effort, and wash their hands of McConnell’s bullshit. You want a bipartisan bill, Apparently a good start was made at one earlier this year, but McConnell killed it.

    If there is no honest and responsible process on a bipartisan bill, then GOP moderates need to get on TV and publicly denounce the whole corrupt mess.
    Demand not only a ‘no’ vote, but demand no more participation in a corrupt and dishonest process.

  21. 21.

    WaterGirl

    @(((CassandraLeo))): I would never call a sex worker a whore! A prostitute, call girl, escort, lady of the night, maybe, but not a whore. I reserve whore for someone of ill repute and I don’t put sex workers in that category.

  22. 22.

    Raoul

    @Bruuuuce: Seems like we may get a show-down on the job of parliamentarian as the cherry on our constitutional crises sundae.

    Or, maybe — just maybe — McConnell can use this “bind” of his precious Reconciliation move as his way out of having a vote and they can move on to screwing the pooch on the debt ceiling and the 2018 budget. I’m expecting more brinksmanship and klown kar fun then, too.

  24. 24.

    jl

    @Baud:

    ” And to think of all the times the right quoted Pelosi out of context…”

    Some quotes don’t need much context.

  26. 26.

    smintheus

    @Bruuuuce: Also, the parliamentarian ruled that funding for insurer cost-sharing payments isn’t allowed in the bill without 60 votes. That’s practically a nuclear-sized hole in the Republican bill…unless their object is to pass a bill that will cause the individual market to melt down almost immediately.

  27. 27.

    Quinerly

    25% of Trump’s voters strongly approve of his job performance. 52% of Trump’s voters still believe Obama was born in Kenya. MSNBC reporting. Didn’t catch which poll.

  28. 28.

    Bruuuuce

    @smintheus:

    unless their object is to pass a bill that will cause the individual market to melt down almost immediately

    No, it seems clear that they’re doing their damndest to keep the markets from self-destruction until at least after the midterms. They’re con men, but they’re simply not very good at it outside of the actual used-car sales pitches.

  30. 30.

    Ohio Mom

    @jl: Hey! You stole my script!

    Seriously, I am not quite that obnoxious but you hit my usual talking points.

  31. 31.

    clay

    WaPo says Sessions discussed campaign matters with Russian ambassador, according to Intelligence reports.

    He’s boned.

  33. 33.

    Boussinesque

    I know there was some discussion of Democratic sloganeering around these parts the other day, and I just randomly had one pop into my head unbidden, and I wanted to get some thoughts: “Take Back America”.

    I dunno if it’s too militant, or has unfortunate racist/sexist implications that I’m not seeing right now, but I thought it captured what I’ve been feeling as I’ve watched these incompetent, immoral bullies, grifters, and traitors try to take our rights (to vote, protest, walk down the street without fear of harassment), our money, our safety net, and our national dignity. Those’re OURS. They belong both to our conception of what America should be, and to each and every one of us as citizens, and I’ll be damned if I’m going to let them get away with it without a fight.

  36. 36.

    TenguPhule

    Further proof — as if we needed it — that the entire Republican party has abandoned all thought of governing in favor of merely obstructing.

    Or that they have unpalatable choices as to how they retain power.

    But I’m sure their souls are a small price to pay for a Fascist Regime.

  39. 39.

    trollhattan

    This Scaramucci feller shore can dance a purdy fandango.

    “He’s the most competitive person I’ve ever met, okay? I’ve seen this guy throw a dead spiral through a tire. I’ve seen him at Madison Square Garden with a top coat on, he’s standing in the key and he’s hitting foul shots and swishing them. He sinks 3-foot putts,” he said.

    Yeah, that’s our Donny–three-sport letterman and everything!

  40. 40.

    WaterGirl

    Since there’s not much happening at the moment, maybe this would be a good time to ask a question.

    So the evil nion-profit finally paid me the 1,400 they still owed me for hours worked, but they still have not paid me the $175 or so that I am owed for expense reimbursements. I have email from June 7 from the CEO saying “I will see that you are paid for this”, but it’s been over 7 weeks and I have not received it. They are also 3 weeks past the end of their fiscal year.

    Repeated email messages get no reply. Texted with the president of the board one week ago today and she said she would take care of this last monday, but I have heard nothing. Called her multiple times this week and sent one email message.

    Any thoughts on how I might proceed besides small claims court, which would be a gigantic pain in the behind?

  41. 41.

    TenguPhule

    @Peale:

    and of 52 GOP senators, 48 appear to be whores. Yet the GOP faithful will assume their good senator is really is an upstanding prick.

    All 52 are whores. Its just a matter of negotiating the price.

  45. 45.

    TenguPhule

    @WaterGirl:

    Any thoughts on how I might proceed besides small claims court, which would be a gigantic pain in the behind?

    How comfortable are you with getting local media involved in this? They’re always looking for a story and if you make it clear that either you get the check in hand that day or else the company gets shit on its face from the press, that might just work.

  46. 46.

    patrick II

    ABC News: “Despite cancer diagnosis McCain says, “I’ll be back soon””

    He may have to rush back from his Obamacare established life saving medical treatment and vote to make sure other people get left to die.

  47. 47.

    smintheus

    @WaterGirl: Show up at the CEO’s front door. If you feel like going nuclear, show up at his/her church. You’ll get what you’re owed.

  48. 48.

    jl

    @Ohio Mom: Wow. I’m glad that’s what you said.

    My script was a little over the top. I take out the bad words, even for DiFi.

    But, if you are accused of being impolite, always remember to try to take the other person’s point of view.
    “But, I am being polite. I’m really trying. You want to hear ‘rude’?”

  49. 49.

    MisterForkbeard

    @Boussinesque: I like it. I’d prefer something that contained a hint of progress rather than simply recovering from a loss, but it’s good, short, and to the point. Maybe it can be improved… not sure. “Retake our Freedom”, maybe?

  50. 50.

    TenguPhule

    @Bruuuuce:

    The Senate parliamentarian has noted sections of the bill (including defunding Planned Parenthood) as it stands violate the rules for reconciliation and either need to be stripped or 60 votes will be required for passage.

    And McConnell will quickly replace them.

    This has already been projected.

  51. 51.

    WaterGirl

    @debbie: I had thought I might write to the board president asking when the next meeting is, stating that I would be taking the matter to the full board. It hadn’t occurred to me to send a letter to the board.

    Any advice on how I would find out the email addressed of the board members? Otherwise I wouldn’t be at all sure that my letter would be shared with the entire board.

  53. 53.

    jl

    @Cheryl Rofer: Thanks.

    But this is a sinister development, and I want to hear what President Leader Trump has to say about it.
    I mean, shit the vary word ‘parliamentarian’ has Deep State DemocRAT mole written all over it.
    Look closely near the ‘m’, and you can make it out.

  55. 55.

    WaterGirl

    @TenguPhule: That would be most satisfying! But I am a bookkeeper and that kind of publicity would no doubt hurt me in finding new clients.

    edit; And I doubt it would be a plus with my current clients, either.

  56. 56.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    @Timurid:
    Trump will have to fire Rosenstein first as Deputy Attorney Gen if Rosenstein refused to fire Mueller. Or he could fire Sessions,though that would be stupid and the Neo-confedrate would then cut a deal with Mueller.

  59. 59.

    trollhattan

    Hmmm

    Major portions of the Republican bill to repeal and replace ObamaCare will require 60 votes, according to the Senate parliamentarian, meaning they are unlikely to survive on the floor.

    The parliamentarian has advised senators that several parts of the bill could be stripped out, according to a document released Friday by Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), the ranking member of the Senate Budget Committee. The provisions that would likely be removed include polices important to conservatives, such as restrictions on tax credits being used for insurance plans that cover abortion.

    Language in the bill defunding Planned Parenthood for a year also violates budget rules, according to the parliamentarian. That guidance is sure to anger anti-abortion groups who backed the bill specifically because of those provisions.

    ETA duh, iz upthread also too.

  60. 60.

    WaterGirl

    @smintheus: Hmm, the church might be a lovely idea. More of an implied “in your face” than showing up at her home, which would certainly be viewed as a threat, and the CEO’s husband is a cop.

  62. 62.

    debbie

    @WaterGirl:

    I would do that second. If it were me, I’d wait 30 days after the president said she’d take care of it. I would want to give them a chance to make good before getting more assertive.

    Patience always worked for me back when I was freelancing for small NPOs. Out of all the jobs I was hired for, only one took more than 30 days to pay me.

  66. 66.

    jl

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: DiFi’s staff seem to prefer High Snark.

    I think the worst I do is stuff like “As usual, your boss talks a good game in the first innings, but as usual no follow through” and I have asked her staff if she was joking in some statement that got me pissed.

    I’ve never even called her a corrupt old battle-ax.
    Yeah, I suck and I’m a coward.

  67. 67.

    smintheus

    @WaterGirl: If you’re not getting answers to your emails, then showing up at someone’s house (unarmed) can hardly be construed as threatening per se.

  68. 68.

    TenguPhule

    @WaterGirl:

    But I am a bookkeeper and that kind of publicity would no doubt hurt me in finding new clients.

    This CEO sounds like she’s going to take a giant flaming dump on you when she associates with them in her circles anyway. Still might want it as a Plan B, you could even spin it as “I am perfectly discreet provided you don’t try to stiff me, hell hath no fury….etc.”

  69. 69.

    TenguPhule

    @smintheus:

    If you’re not getting answers to your emails, then showing up at someone’s house (unarmed) can hardly be construed as threatening per se.

    Unfortunately, reality doesn’t work that way.

  71. 71.

    jl

    @Baud:

    ” DiFi would cut the sass right out of him. ”

    I never want to hear from DiFi personally in her ‘lecture mode’.Probably call me a ‘young man’ and shit.

    Edit: If I lose control I’ll just sign it ‘BillinGlendale’ or ‘Baud’. Then she’ll mind. Why haven’t I thought of that. And Baud has no fixed return address to put on the envelope…. perfect!

  73. 73.

    Roger Moore

    Cleek’s Law strikes again. The “Hastert Rule” said they could only pass a bill if it got support from a majority of the Republican caucus, and it was observed only when the Speaker felt like using it as an excuse for killing something he didn’t like. Boehner extended it by saying a bill had to be able to pass without needing any Democratic votes, and applied it far more regularly. Ryan and McConnell seem to be following the Cleek’s Law version, which say it’s not only mandatory to be able to pass exclusively with Republican votes, but that it has to piss off the Democrats so much that they refuse to vote for it. That version is going to make legislating very, very difficult, especially when most legislation will require some Democratic votes to get cloture in the Senate.

  74. 74.

    debbie

    @debbie:

    What percentage of what they’ve paid you is $175? Like 1%? Is it really worth all the confrontations, etc., that are being suggested?

    Keep in mind that NPOs are a small community and are often in contact with each other. Do you really want to risk your professional reputation on potential future clients?

  76. 76.

    Bruuuuce

    @Cheryl Rofer: Thank you. This is informative and helpful, though not quite as optimistic in some respects as the article I’d seen. Also, apologies to Elizabeth MacDonough, Senate parliamentarian, for earlier assuming the officeholder was male,

    @TenguPhule: The question becomes whether he can insert sections that will stand up to the parliamentarian’s scrutiny and keep the bill passable by reconciliation, because that’s the only way he has even a chance to pass his abomination.

  77. 77.

    lamh36

    SOOOOO…the KKKleeber Elf is a big fat traitorous LIAR…

    For real, how soon before Trump fires him, or Sessions actually does resign to work on his own defense…let Cheeto deal with his own shit…

  79. 79.

    p.a.

    @TenguPhule:

    @Peale:

    and of 52 GOP senators, 48 appear to be whores. Yet the GOP faithful will assume their good senator is really is an upstanding prick.

    All 52 are whores. Its just a matter of negotiating the price.

    Stop insulting whores.

  81. 81.

    sukabi

    @WaterGirl: write a letter to the editor of your local paper describing your issues with getting paid by this non-profit and send the CEO and board a copy of the letter stating that if your bill hasn’t been completely paid by such and such a date that the letter will be sent to the paper.

    Non-profits don’t like bad press…especially if they’re not paying their bills.

  86. 86.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    @lamh36:

    Now calm down, please… all that fast talking makes poor Jefferson nervous!

  87. 87.

    Mnemosyne

    @trollhattan:

    If they end up needing the same number of votes for repeal that the Democrats needed to pass it in the first place, I will start to feel like maybe there is a little justice in the world after all.

  88. 88.

    Bruuuuce

    @WaterGirl: Have you considered going to the consumer advocate at the local TV station? Embarrassing them might actually work in this case.

  89. 89.

    WaterGirl

    @debbie: Their fiscal year ended 3 weeks ago on June 30, and they pay EVERYTHING from grants. So either she has already written the check so she could put it on the grant report, and she is just not sending it to fuck with me, or she has not written the check, which I think means she has no intention of ever paying me, because she has no money of her own that is not from grants. It’s maddening.

    @debbie: Okay, now you’re just making me look bad. Or foolish. :-) Because when I do the math, it’s 4/10 of a percent of what I was paid over the 6 months I worked there. sigh. It just galls me to let it go because what she is doing is petty and vindictive.

    edit: but maybe I’m the one who is being petty since a relatively small amount.

  90. 90.

    MomSense

    Holy fucking shit they got Sessions! I am having a traitorous mofos are going down dance party at my house and you are all invited! Dogs, introverts, jackals- all welcome!

  92. 92.

    Quinerly

    Kushner really has a problem with government forms. 77 major assets not included originally. WSJ reporting.

  96. 96.

    MomSense

    @WaterGirl:

    Unfortunately the filing fees for a small claims action may eat up most of what they owe you. Send an invoice with a letter asking for payment within 30 days.

  98. 98.

    tomtofa

    OT: I know Jared is in charge of middle east peace now; I haven’t yet heard his comments on the current Temple/Mount situation there. Soon, probably…
    Maybe he’s been more involved in the just-ended China trade talks, that went nowhere. Anyone heard what he’s said about that?

  99. 99.

    smintheus

    @Baud: Wow, much more than WaPo reported has been gutted by the parliamentarian. She has all but built a brick wall in the path of the Republican leadership, especially by blocking the six-month lockout provision. That makes it vastly harder for Republicans to pretend that they’re ending the hated individual mandate, which is virtually the only claim they could make which would be popular with anybody.

  100. 100.

    Catherine D.

    @WaterGirl:

    Can you get snail mail addresses for the whole board? Certified letters, return receipt requested. Cheaper than small claims.

  101. 101.

    lamh36

    very good question:

    @JoyAnnReid 1m1 minute ago
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    Joy Reid Retweeted Joy Reid
    Irresistible question: could Trump team have leaked the kislyak intercepts to push Sessions out after he failed to resign yesterday?

  103. 103.

    smintheus

    Comment on the parliamentarian ruling is in moderation for who knows what reason.

  105. 105.

    TenguPhule

    @Quinerly:

    Kushner really has a problem with government forms. 77 major assets not included originally.

    And Sessions just re-authorized “Confiscation upon accusation”.

    Oh dear.

  106. 106.

    WaterGirl

    @Catherine D.: I poked around on their website a few weeks ago and I didn’t find names of board members, so no contact information at all. That’s why I have been communicating with the board president – I had her phone number in my phone and previous email correspondence.

  107. 107.

    geg6

    @Quinerly:

    I can’t wait for that slimey, smug little bastard and Lolita to be frogmarched out of the WH in cuffs. I might hate them more than I do Dolt45. I’ll have to ponder that.

  108. 108.

    Baud

    Politico

    Donald Trump’s harsh criticism of Attorney General Jeff Sessions is rattling Alabama Republicans, who are considered among the president’s staunchest and earliest supporters.

    There are few places where the president is more popular than Sessions’ home state. Mobile was the site of Trump’s first big stadium-style rally in 2015, an event so pivotal in his campaign that Trump returned there in December for another rally to thank local voters.

    That ardor hasn’t faded: A February poll showed Trump’s approval ratings at 88 percent among Alabama Republicans, with a stratospheric 69 percent strongly approving of his performance

    Haha.

  111. 111.

    mai naem mobile

    The Dolt45 administration is just projectile diarrhea every fucking day. Now Sessions discussed campaign stuff with Kislyak? WTF?
    Also McTurtle the money grubbing traitor deserves all the bad karma he gets. Zero sympathy here.

  114. 114.

    dmsilev

    @lamh36: Seems unlikely to me. After all, Trump can fire Sessions basically on a whim and make up whatever bullshit excuse he wants. Unlike with Comey, it probably wouldn’t get too many people upset.

  115. 115.

    WaterGirl

    @debbie: I have one more question I would like to ask you off-line. If that would work for you, I can let Anne Laurie know that she could send you my email address.

  116. 116.

    Ohio Mom

    @jl: on occasion, I apologize for being um, loud. I admit I am pertrified about what will happen to my autistic teen when his dad and I are gone, and there is no more Medicaid to support him because Intern’s boss thought tax cuts for millionaires was more important.

    Okay, it really isn’t much of an apology. But maybe it helps those interns get a clue. I can hope.

  117. 117.

    frosty fred

    @sukabi: I agree; after years of receiving faxes at all hours I got a local nursing home either to a) change their fax number, which was one digit off our home phone, or b) make sure their medical office correspondents had the right number [I neither know nor care which they did] by just threatening to write the local paper that I was being sent confidential medical reports.

  118. 118.

    lamh36

    @lamh36:

    @JoyAnnReid 6m6 minutes ago

    After all, removing Sessions and installing a lackey AG with no Russia recusal would be the easiest way for Trump to have Mueller fired.

    @JoyAnnReid 1m1 minute ago
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    Replying to @JoyAnnReid
    Watch for Trump sycophants in the GOP calling for Sessions to resign. That would be a sign pointing to yes.

  120. 120.

    mai naem mobile

    @lamh36: that was my first thought . Sessions is a POS as well and deserves possibly more bad karma than McTurtle. Maybe Dolt 45 was a Democratic mole after all hee hee. He’s certainly tearing through the GOP like a termite .

  121. 121.

    BBA

    @Bruuuuce: He could always abolish the filibuster. I’ve been treating this as not an “if” but a “when.”

    Figured the nuclear option would only come out for tax cuts, though.

  123. 123.

    Gelfling 545

    @sukabi: I was thinking that. I taught middle school for years and not one of my kids was that dumb. Not even the one who tried to get by me with a forged hall pass -to which he had forged my name; or the one who stole the answer key for the Spanish exam from my desk – except he was taking the French exam. Both of them had more smarts than Trump and were nicer people. Trump’s like the 4 year old who says that, yes, he put all his toys away but please don’t go look.

  124. 124.

    Quinerly

    @MomSense:
    I remember when he was sorta planning it. I just enjoy blurting it out at least once on these types of threads. It was suspicious when he and his crush, Joy Reid, were MIA at the same time. Come to think of it, how long has Corner Stone been MIA? Three weeks now?

  126. 126.

    lamh36

    @Baud:

    @JoyAnnReid 2m2 minutes ago
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    Keep in mind Hill Republicans want Russiagate ended too. It’s hampering their ability to gut Medicaid and pass 1%er tax cuts.

  127. 127.

    Ruckus

    @WaterGirl:
    Would this count as payment for services, IOW would the labor board of your state be of any help? Now I do live in CA but I know that few want to get on the wrong side of the state labor board here. You mentioned small claims court, do you have all the documentation, the text messages, anything in writing that they owe you the $175? Because those are the only 2 ways I know of to get what is owed you. OK one more, do you know any lawyers? I only had a couple of times that I had to collect money when I owned a business but a letter from an attorney at least let them know I was serious and in the end it worked. It was for a bit more $ though. About $27,000 total between the two.

  134. 134.

    lamh36

    @JoyAnnReid 33s33 seconds ago
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    Perfect GOP ending: they turn on Sessions, confirm a new AG who fires Mueller “for cause” and wraps the Russiagate probe w/ no findings.

  137. 137.

    WaterGirl

    @Ruckus: Yes, I have an email message dated 6/7 that says “I will see that you are paid for this.”

    It’s a reimbursement rather than payment for time worked, so the labor board is out. If I hadn’t received the 1,400 check for my hours, I would surely push on and get an attorney to send a letter. But for 175.00 I wouldn’t even want to ask my attorney niece to take the time to write a letter. I already asked her to look at the crazy contract I was given to sign in May, so I won’t bother her again. I guess that gives me my answer.

  138. 138.

    Bruuuuce

    @BBA: He could, Probably would, if he couldn’t go for reconciliation and thought he had he caucus in hand. Since it’s clear that he’s having trouble getting to 50 (please, FSM), he’ll hold the nuclear option for something all the enemies of the Republic can agree on, like grifting from the poor to cut taxes for themselves.

  140. 140.

    lamh36

    @Baud: So Sessions can’t leave if he wanted to, his own people would see it as abandonment…serves his azz right.

  141. 141.

    Gelfling 545

    @WaterGirl: write them a letter and send it return receipt. Tell them that if you do not receive payment in x amount of time you will have no choice but to refer it for collection. Not that you will probably but they don’t know that

  144. 144.

    lamh36

    8h8 hours ago
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    I feel like every time a Trump employee quits, Oompa Loompas should appear & sing a song to teach us about the perils of gluttony & greed.

  145. 145.

    Ohio Mom

    @WaterGirl: Do you think it would set things in motion if you contact the source of the grant and play dumb: Hi, did you write the final check, because I want to close my books and grantee organization hasn’t been in contact with me nor paid me.

    Because the granting organization probably wants to know the funds they disbursed are being spent the way they were promised they would be. It would be a subtle revenge on this woman who is stiffing you.

    I was in the nonprofit world for two decades. It can be a real snake pit.

  146. 146.

    MomSense

    @Ohio Mom:

    Do not apologize! The fear you feel is legitimate. I work with families who are in the same place as you. Your son has a home with me. We can share contact info with Anne Laurie.

  149. 149.

    WaterGirl

    @Baud: The evil person is the founder of the nonprofit and the CEO. She has no CFO. I have seen bills from an attorney, and I do recall the name.

    The other option might be their auditor – not the auditor from the various granting agencies but the person who does their audits for the state that are required in a year when you receive more than x amount of funds. I had a really good working relationship with him, but I wasn’t sure if it would be appropriate to bring this to him or not. What do you think?

  150. 150.

    Patricia Kayden

    @SiubhanDuinne: Terrifying that legislators who are being paid and were elected to know what they’re voting for couldn’t care less when it comes to a bill which could kick tens of millions of their fellow Americans off Medicaid. This is no longer about healthcare. It’s about destroying President Obama’s agenda and getting tax cuts for the rich. That is all. Hope Trump supporters are satisfied now.

  154. 154.

    Redshift

    My interpretation of Cornyn’s statement is they can’t possibly get the votes for any repeal bill if anyone knows what actually in it. An appalling thing to say, but hopefully accurate.

    If that’s the case, their only hope is to get enough GOP senators to fall for a line of BS like McConnell’s “don’t worry about those projected Medicaid cuts; future administrations will never actually do them.” That’s unlikely to work better than it did the last time. Goopers can be deeply stupid about almost anything but their own political survival.

  155. 155.

    TenguPhule

    How long has Sessions been working for the Russians?

    This could invite interesting lines of investigation into the RNC.

    It would be irresponsible not to speculate, now that we’ve got proof of at least one treasonous member of GOP Congress.

  161. 161.

    Ruckus

    @WaterGirl:
    You paid money out to do work for them. They owe you the money. They aren’t paying it out of the goodness of their hearts, they owe you the money. Every dime of it. Sure it may not be worth the effort but on principle……… And remember I’ve been an employer, I made out checks to pay people for decades. If I didn’t like their work I fired them. And I paid them for the full day that they came in. Not a big deal over all but they had expected to be paid for showing up and working, not being fired. An employer is trading your time and expertise for money. Did you give them the time and expertise? Then they owe you the money.
    I’ll say it one more time, no matter what, if you did what you promised them you upheld your end of the contract. They have not. They owe you.
    You may notice this is a point with me. People’s work furthers the goal of the company, be it a profit or non-profit. They advance their business by the sweat and effort of your labor. Their end is to pay you money.

  162. 162.

    hovercraft

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Manafort and Jr. have agreed to testify at a private session next week.

    Huh? Interesting
    Just yesterday it was reported that Mueller’s only conditions for allowing them to testify was that it had to be under oath and in public.

  164. 164.

    TenguPhule

    Its as if the Trump regime is the political equivalent of the Hadron Collider.

  165. 165.

    danielx

    @WaterGirl:

    1. If you have a friend who is an attorney, ask him or her to write a nastygram for you. Generally does wonders to speed the plow.

    2. Mention social media in connection with his shitty organization, which generally works wonders also.

  166. 166.

    WaterGirl

    @Baud: We had better buy her a bigger house! We should also have a say in where she moves to, if she is still looking for work in another state, don’t you think?

  167. 167.

    sukabi

    @Patricia Kayden: that’s all it’s ever been about. McConnell and the other confederates stated from the beginning of Obama’s first term that they were going to block everything he wanted to do, and ensure he was a 1 term president. Now they’re left with trying to erase his accomplishments from history and damn the cost.

  168. 168.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    @Baud: Ok, don’t get carried away. We’re not the French resistance

  169. 169.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    If Mueller is somehow fired, could he release all of his team’s findings to the public?

  170. 170.

    danielx

    @TenguPhule:

    All 52 are whores. Its just a matter of negotiating the price.

    No, they’re pimps. WE are the whores – let’s say human cattle – who are being bought and sold.

  171. 171.

    WaterGirl

    @Ruckus: Thanks. This is really clear cut. I was billed for the payroll program each month and the nonprofit reimbursed me. Since it was payroll for 150 people, it wasn’t cheap.

    The $175 I am waiting for was the cost of the payroll program for May. Maybe I need to go find that video where the guy is at a conference, with graphic designers, I believe, and he schtick is to have them repeat this phrase: “Fuck you, pay me!”. Thanks for the encouragement.

    edit: she was spitting mad that I resigned, and this is all payback.

  176. 176.

    MomSense

    @WaterGirl: @Baud:

    Satby told me I could live with her if I needed a place and that really stuck with me. We take care of each other and that goes for everyone here.

  180. 180.

    Ruckus

    @WaterGirl:
    Don’t count the labor board out. You spend money on their behalf and that can count, at least depending on the state.
    Someone up thread mentioned small claims court costs. That may make it not worth doing financially but I did have a business neighbor who printed signs and he said he always took customers who didn’t pay to small claims court no matter how little they owed him, the principle of the thing. Knowing this guy I’d bet he got all his money or wouldn’t have done this and he said his claims ran around $50.

  181. 181.

    Keith P.

    Kudos to Jeff Sessions for taking the initiative on the important issue of Russian adoptions.

  182. 182.

    boatboy_srq

    The worst part of this is the GOTea proposal is, what, fifteen pages long? It’s not like their grand schemery is difficult to slog through: only Dems write legislation that actually fulfils some purpose besides transfer of wealth from the nation at large to the Special Xtianist Job-Creating Elect™.

  183. 183.

    TenguPhule

    @Mike in NC:

    Trump supporters will never be happy so long as a single non-white person has a decent life in America.

    FTFY.

    I think its time to stop pretending they want to take prisoners.

  185. 185.

    WaterGirl

    @MomSense: We do! You know we will take care of you if they take your health insurance away.

    As for Baud, I think there are about a million BJ crushes on Baud, so fights could break out. I can see it now: Come live with me! No, with me! You get away from him, he’s mine! We might just have to decide here and now that it’s MomSense, or it could get ugly.

  186. 186.

    Baud

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    ?Allons enfants de la patrie,
    Le jour de gloire est arrivé !
    Contre nous de la tyrannie
    L’étendard sanglant est levé ! (bis)
    Entendez-vous dans les campagnes,
    Mugir ces féroces soldats ?
    Ils viennent jusque dans nos bras
    Égorger nos fils, nos compagnes !    ?

  187. 187.

    Patricia Kayden

    @MisterForkbeard: Actually Trump probably has no idea of what is in Trump Care and will simply sign any legislation which comes to his desk. This incompetence is on Congressional Republicans who do not know how to govern but are experts at obstructing.

  188. 188.

    TenguPhule

    @Baud:

    Have you seen some of the dystopian rhetoric here?

    You can’t call it rhetoric when Trump is actually doing it right in front of our lying eyes.

  192. 192.

    TenguPhule

    @Baud:

    With my luck, I’ll probably end up with NR.

    This is true. Hope you like being a vegan, Baud.

  194. 194.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Patricia Kayden:

    This is no longer about healthcare. It’s about destroying President Obama’s agenda and getting tax cuts for the rich. That is all.

    Yes. It was never about healthcare, and was always about destroying anything and everything that had President Obama’s name or legacy attached to it.

    Dear gods, I am appalled at how much I hate these people. This is not the person I want to be.

  196. 196.

    WaterGirl

    @Ruckus: I think this bothers me so much because I left one other client 4 years ago. I did the books and payroll for a salon and it was sold to someone who worked there. She wanted me to continue on, and during the transition I worked for both of them and she would say things like “Don’t tell Bob, but…” and that didn’t sit well with me.

    So after a month, I said it’s been great, but I think it’s best if you find a new bookkeeper (not those words obviously) and she refused to pay me the $500 she owed me. I was really mad about it but I let it go then, which is why it’s so hard for me to let this go now.

  199. 199.

    SFAW

    @MomSense:

    I am having a traitorous mofos are going down dance party at my house and you are all invited! Dogs, introverts, jackals- all welcome!

    It’ll take me a couple of hours to get to Portland, but for some reason, I think you’re up in Oxford or Androscoggin County? Of course, my “dancing” makes Elaine Benes look like Ginger Rogers or Misty Copeland (so to speak), so consider yourself warned.

  205. 205.

    Quinerly

    @Baud:
    Sessions is beloved in Alabama. I really don’t have any family to speak of (an only, born of two only children). With that said, the small amt of family I do have is in Alabama. What connections that survived the Obama Adm ended up being severed over Trump (and Sessions). In a Trump/Sessions feud, my money is on the home state boy. I can’t stress enough how much Alabama loves Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III.

  207. 207.

    Ohio Mom

    @MomSense: I’m speechless.

    I did not know you had a connection to the disability world. I will send Anne Laurie the okay to share my email.

    But I can get rather snippetty with those insufferably smug interns, sometimes it is right for me to apologize a little. For my tone, only.

    Sometimes I ask them why I only have to call my Republican Senator and Rep, “Why don’t I have to call Sherrod Brown! Because he does the right thing without being told! Why can’t you Republicans do the same!” That I don’t ever apologize for.

  208. 208.

    TenguPhule

    @Quinerly:

    I can’t stress enough how much Alabama loves Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III.

    We must destroy Alabama to save it.

  209. 209.

    hovercraft

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:
    No idea, but someone earlier pointed out that when Archibald Cox was fired the Watergate investigation did not end. On Monday morning the investigators went back to work and carried on because just like here, the underlying investigation preceded the appointment of the Special Prosecutor. To completely end the investigation, Sessions or his replacement would have to publicly order a criminal/counter intelligence investigation that began last summer, removing any pretense that it was a political witch hunt.
    Who am I kidding, it would simply morph into a “deep state” Hillary- Obama conspiracy.

  210. 210.

    WaterGirl

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    I am appalled at how much I hate these people. This is not the person I want to be.

    Pretty sure you have just spoken for hundreds of us on BJ. Seriously.

  211. 211.

    TenguPhule

    @hovercraft:

    To completely end the investigation, Sessions or his replacement would have to publicly order a criminal/counter intelligence investigation that began last summer, removing any pretense that it was a political witch hunt.

    You say this as if there would actually be any consequences for this in the only place that really matters now, Congress.

  215. 215.

    glory b

    @WaterGirl: Any thoughts on how I might proceed besides small claims court, which would be a gigantic pain in the behind?

    Your state’s Corporation Bureau, or whoever is in charge of regulating nonprofits might be a solution. Otherwise, perhaps a call to your Attorney General.

    A threat of that sort might be effective.

  216. 216.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    @Keith P.: You would think Trump/Sessions would have an Adopt-Americans-First policy. Not this globalism stuff.

  217. 217.

    hovercraft

    @Major Major Major Major:
    I wasn’t attacking you, it was what they reported yesterday. I guess they must have gone back to him and he must have approved it. Someone from the Garbage Times pointed out that while it’s a loss for TV and all of us, testifying to staffers not intent on grandstanding may illicit more information that can be used against them.

  218. 218.

    WaterGirl

    @glory b: Hmmm. Didn’t know there was a regulatory agency for nonprofits, but of course there must be! She does like to call our state representative whenever she has problems, perhaps I should mention that calling our representative will be my next step. :-)

  219. 219.

    MomSense

    @Ohio Mom:

    I’ll send her an email tomorrow morning. My mom lives in Akron and I was born a buckeye. We will all get through this!

  222. 222.

    Ruckus

    @WaterGirl:

    she was spitting mad that I resigned, and this is all payback.

    What you have to work for her for the rest of your life? Do you live in a right to work state? I did for a while and I gave 2 week notice and a week later (I was being a smart ass!) the CEO was giving me shit about how I still worked there and he could still fire me. I pleaded with him to. He asked why. The parent company, a non-profit, had a rule that if you were fired for any reason other than theft you got paid a weeks salary for each year you’d worked. That would be a 10 week bonus for me leaving. About $10,000. And I wouldn’t have had to stay another week. Double bonus. Fucker declined to fire me.
    Working is a contract between the employee/sub contractor and the employer. It isn’t slavery, you have the right to leave. Now if you are say building an additional lock for the Panama Canal that contract may have clauses about harm in leaving. But if you are supplying a normal business function to a company, usually not. If yours didn’t then screw her, she owes you money. It’s not your problem that she had to find someone else to do the work, that’s the breaks of business.

  224. 224.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    It’s been a tough 48 hours for the deep south

    Ole Miss coach Hugh Freeze resigns; escort-service calls cited
    play

    Ole Miss football coach Hugh Freeze resigned effective immediately on Thursday night, with the Rebels’ athletic director telling ESPN that school officials found a pattern that included phone calls to a number associated with a female escort service.

    Ole Miss head coach Hugh Freeze believes the NCAA is going after the program because of his outspoken religious beliefs.

    HA!

  225. 225.

    schrodingers_cat

    @Baud: Did you change your translator, this is a very country dialect, the earlier one was literary. Truth be told my Hindi is pretty pedestrian, its like my third language.

  228. 228.

    TenguPhule

    Yet another edition of FUCK TRUMP COUNTRY and every fucking Trump supporter still getting media attention.

    This is the America that Trump embraced. The media’s Russia fixation may not be fake news in the way that Trump uses the phrase. But for millions of Americans, Trump’s claim strikes a chord because the Russia hysteria is not real news, either, not compared with the issues that impact their daily lives.

    And when someone tells them they should care more deeply about Donald Trump Jr.’s meeting with a Russian lawyer, yes, sometimes they will just shake their heads and stare back blankly.

  229. 229.

    Roger Moore

    @WaterGirl:
    It’s not petty to want what they agreed to pay you, and it’s bad practice to let somebody screw you out of small sums to avoid kicking up a stink. At the very least remember it if you ever have to work with the same people again.

  231. 231.

    WaterGirl

    @Ruckus: People don’t quit her. She loves to fire people. Seriously, I think she fired at least 10 people in the time I was there. She is a narcissist and I hate to say it but she is like a little trump.

    She was FURIOUS when, after working for for 5 months she gave me what she said was the standard contract for contractors, I read the contract and said I was uncomfortable with a number of clauses and I wouldn’t sign it without my attorney reviewing it first.

    I said something to the effect of “I watch you have contracts reviewed and changed all the time, why would it not be okay for me to do the same with the contract you want me to sign?” Do you know what she said? (of course you don’t) Her reply, word for word: “I like to think I’m special.” She said this in all seriousness, as if because she can be charming sometimes that makes everything okay. ugh.

  236. 236.

    sukabi

    @WaterGirl: I hope you looked her in the eyes and said “Honey, I don’t think I’m special, I know I deserve to be treated fairly. With that in mind I’m going to have my lawyer look over this contract.”

  238. 238.

    schrodingers_cat

    @Baud: Different language same script, like Spanish and French, say. Sanskrit is the mother language for both, also both have many Farsi words.

    ETA: Hindi has only two genders. Marathi has three, like English.

  239. 239.

    WaterGirl

    @Major Major Major Major: Thanks, now I don’t feel so bad! It’s kind of crazy, because she’s black and Trump would shit a brick to be compared to her and she would flip to be compared to him. She’s a control freak and a bully and can be very charming at times. People like that can get away with a lot. Until they can’t.

  240. 240.

    Jeffro

    Since it’s an OT: y’all can skip seeing DUNKIRK unless you like being tense and depressed for 100 minutes.

    But all the previews were nice.

  245. 245.

    WaterGirl

    @sukabi: Just to be clear, she was saying that SHE likes to think she is special, that’s why it’s okay for her to have a lawyer look over contracts she has to sign, but other people don’t get to do that with her contracts.

    It was crazy, too. Her contract would have given her the right to bodily search me whenever she pleased, to search my computer, to be tested for drugs or alcohol, if she pleased, there was a bunch more crazy stuff, too. When I asked my attorney niece to look it over for me, there were several “WTF? I wouldn’t sign that” in the margins.

    I so did the right thing by leaving.

  246. 246.

    Ruckus

    @WaterGirl:
    If it was me, and just me, what you said here would cause me to think, “I don’t fucking care how much small claims court costs, even if it’s more than I’m owed, fuck her.” She may be a normal business person and I may have been abnormal but that is just wrong. She is a bully and she is using your lunch money to make it work. She doesn’t own you, she may want to for her own glory but she just doesn’t. My boss doesn’t own me but I work hard for him because he respects me and my labor. He doesn’t always agree with how I do things and I’ve told him I’ll do it his way or leave, that’s my choice.

  247. 247.

    WaterGirl

    @frosty: That’s kind, but there are so many more important things for people to do with their money than this. I would like to have the money, but it’s also the principle of the thing. She is stealing from me and that’s wrong.

    I am not even looking to add another client until fall – after working an average of 65 hours a week for 6 months, I want some time to catch my breath before I take something else on.

  249. 249.

    schrodingers_cat

    @Baud: You are welcome. Marathi is much older than Hindi too. It is one of the oldest Prakrits (languages derived from Sanskrit). More than a 1000 years old.
    This is a Marathi abhang (devotional verse) sung by the Late Kishori Amonkar composed by a saint poet who was a woman who was also an untouchable written in the 13th century.
    अवघा रंग एक झाला (Avagha rang ek jhala)

  253. 253.

    raven

    @Jeffro: Yea, the last thread started with a positive review and it turned into a big back and forth about movies. Over 300 comments and almost 6 hours!

  255. 255.

    WaterGirl

    @Ruckus: Funny you should say that. I used those words more than once “she thinks she owns me”. I am not very good at standing up to a bullying boss, I had one of those when I worked at the university and I just hung in there, hopeful that things would get better, so I was actually kind of proud of myself for standing up to her and deciding to leave. Now I’d like to have the rest of my money and put her completely behind me!

  256. 256.

    Jeffro

    @TenguPhule:

    Some of the jackals are not Nolan fans.

    Who’s Nolan? Oh, the director, right?

    (just having fun here folks, I kid, I kid…)

  257. 257.

    WaterGirl

    @Major Major Major Major: Lovely. That’s the nice part about having my own business, I don’t need her as a reference.

    Hopefully yours is in your past and I’m sure you are doing stellar work in your current position, so it may not matter so much what your even control freak former boss thinks. Bullies be gone!

  258. 258.

    WaterGirl

    @Jeffro: Were you the person on the previous thread who said he hadn’t planned on seeing this movie but after the detailed review from JMN you decided to go?

  261. 261.

    WaterGirl

    @Major Major Major Major: Sounds like a spiteful, hateful person. Glad you’re away from his reach! Why are so many people like that in positions of authority??? (You don’t need to answer that, I am just shaking my fist at the world as I say it.)

  263. 263.

    Ruckus

    @WaterGirl:
    It helps if you have had to stand up to people all your life and had success at it. I didn’t grow much from about 5th grade till HS and grew 3 inches after HS. I got picked upon a lot. I got pissed a lot but never did anything about it. Till one day in 5th grade, a “friend” who was very tall for his age kept picking on me. One day I had had enough. I turned and offered to fight him. He didn’t believe me. So I hit him. He folded like a cheap suit. Since then I’m respectful and have never started a fight. But I learned to stand up for myself and more importantly not to be a bully. Shortly after that I met a man who worked for my father. He is one of my heroes in life. Richard is his name. He is/was a black man of about 15-20 yrs my senior. Built like an NFL player, arms as big as my thighs. Gentle as could be he taught me about getting along without being a dick or a pushover. Along with lots of other stuff. I will always be in his debt. Everyone has limits though and it’s how you handle the bullshit that matters.

  264. 264.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    @raven: Nothing more pointless — or passionate — than an argument on “you should like/hate the entertainment I like/hate and if you don’t there’s something wrong with you”.

    Far be it from me to restart any of that, for instance with a comment on how I really don’t like Audrey Hepburn and could never understand why she has such rabid fans.

    We’ve been seeing a lot of art house movies lately, as many or more than mainstream movies. And they seem to be really outstanding lately, just incredibly good stuff is being made. Latest one we saw was Maudie, about Nova Scotian folk artist Maude Lewis (who I’d never heard of).

    And by the way, I’ve never understood the whole thing about “folk art” or “outsider art”. I’m glad she found a set of collectors willing to pay her a few bucks for her paintings (not enough to free her from poverty), and her life story is really pretty inspiring. But still, I don’t understand WHY they collected her stuff.

    More jackal fuel :-))

  265. 265.

    WaterGirl

    @Jeffro: That’s good. It would suck to plan to skip a movie, then go see it because it got a great recommendation, and then you turn out to hate it.

  266. 266.

    WaterGirl

    @Ruckus: Smiling as i read about your hero. That’s the trick: getting along without being a dick or a pushover. I think it might be easier for males to learn that than it is for females, because women are judged differently than men when they stand up for themselves. Anyway, better late than never for me!

    Her being such a spiteful, vindictive person now helps me to know that I did the right thing by leaving, so that’s nice!

  267. 267.

    Lapassionara

    @WaterGirl: Then take your time to decide what to do. Remember that you are not just you, you are also your business. Think of the best way to collect what you are owed, but at the same time building other and better customers.

  269. 269.

    Sab

    @Ohio Mom: I tend to get distraught sounding rather than angry. Don’t know which has more impact (hah hah.) The only good out of forcing a vote that I can see is that Portman might be forced to take a public stand on something, either the motion to proceed on a mystery bill, or an actual vote. I know all he wants is to phase out Medicaid, but I can’t prove it because he never has to vote.

    He did look harried in the picture in our local paper. Wanted to do a happy dance when I saw it.

  270. 270.

    SFAW

    @MomSense:

    Waldo!

    OK, that’s a little farther than Oxford and Androscoggin, so I can’t make it up there tonight.

    Lots of nice areas in Waldo. Used to drive through it on the way to MDI, and there was one house in Stockton Springs I was semi-interested in. If it weren’t so far from civilization, I could see relo-ing there. (Yes, I know Augusta’s not too far from Liberty. Palermo, etc.) If I end up buying a camp in Kennebec, I’ll let you know.

    Have a great time at your dance party!

  273. 273.

    Ruckus

    @WaterGirl:

    I think it might be easier for males to learn that than it is for females, because women are judged differently than men when they stand up for themselves.

    Sounds correct to me. However one of the things I learned from Richard is to give everyone agency as a human being. Until they prove otherwise well beyond any shadow of doubt.

    ETA Just to clarify, I meant that I think you are correct, not that women should be judged differently.

  274. 274.

    glory b

    This thread is probably dead, but, for WaterGirl, states incorporate corporations, and there is a state agency that will regulate them. Here i.n P, it is the Corporation Bureau, it’s part of the Department of State here.

    Every state’s website should have a “Doing Business Here” kind of link which should give details about incorporating there.

    I think most states require corporations to list the names of officers and board members as public records too..

  275. 275.

    No One You Know

    @trollhattan: Um, now. Showing up at the house is personal in a way that crosses a line. Keep our professional. That stain lasts longer.

  276. 276.

    No One You Know

    @trollhattan: Um, now. Showing up at the house is personal in a way that crosses a line. Keep it professional. That stain lasts longer.

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