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You are here: Home / Absent Friends / Opportunity Space now and in the future

Opportunity Space now and in the future

by David Anderson|  July 25, 20175:26 pm| 119 Comments

This post is in: Absent Friends, Anderson On Health Insurance, All we want is life beyond the thunderdome

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I could go all wonky and technical right now. Intellectualizing has always been one of my favored coping systems. But I just want to highlight two short threads on Twitter. The first is between me and my sister.

This is a vote to make our country a whole lot nastier and crueler and sicker. As I’ve mentioned a few times before, my mother is a zebra full of odd medical edge cases. Whenever she goes to Mass General Hospital, the interns are called into her exam room so that they can see some unusual scenario. My family has a history of a variety of genetically linked cancers, asthma, a potpouri of mental illness and other things.

I want to come back to a post that I wrote when Obergfall became the law of the land and my kids:

I don’t know much about how my kids will turn out when they get older. I know a few things though.

I know my daughter will be a massive dork (as she cried last night that she missed school as she was not learning enough new things at summer camp, and could we buy her some new math workbooks). I know she will be a goof ball with a massive amount of empathy and a strongly developed sense of fairness. I know that when she is adult, her possibility space will be massive….

Their possibility space just widened a little bit this morning. Being their dad, that makes my day.

Today is a contraction of the possibility space.

Now, the other vignette I want to highlight is an economic success story. Tim Williams covers the Pittsburgh Pirates. He runs a profitable small business website, Pittsburgh Prospects that tracks the Pittsburgh Pirates minor league system. I am a subscriber as the writing that he and his team of paid writers produce every day is great. Pittsburgh Prospects started as a labor of love and turned into a great and geeky resource.

As someone who is self-employed w/pre-existing conditions, baseball isn't a concern to me when people are voting to take away my healthcare. https://t.co/iFjKKeHNMW

— Tim Williams (@timwilliamsP2) July 25, 2017

Underwritten insurance in the individual market shuts down a lot of dreams that can turn into viable businesses such as Pittsburgh Prospects as well as keep people from taking a risk.

I’ll have more to say including something about the most recent round of Byrd droppings tomorrow morning. We’ll also start talking about what else can be done.

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  1. 1.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 25, 2017 at 5:33 pm

    Rs declared a war against the non Rs when President Obama got elected the first time, this is just the latest salvo.

  2. 2.

    Major Major Major Major

    July 25, 2017 at 5:40 pm

    Underwritten insurance in the individual market shuts down a lot of dreams that can turn into viable businesses such as Pittsburgh Prospects as well as keep people from taking a risk.

    This was always, to my mind, one of the big selling points for Obamacare that never got sold.

  3. 3.

    TenguPhule

    July 25, 2017 at 5:42 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Rs declared a war against the non Rs when President Obama got elected the first time, this is just the latest salvo.

    They declared back with Bush v Gore.

    Everything after that has simply been a continuation of the original sin.

  4. 4.

    Yarrow

    July 25, 2017 at 5:43 pm

    Healthcare handcuffs. Can’t leave your job that gives you your health insurance because you can’t take that risk. The Republicans are job killers and anti-entrepreneur because they don’t want people to quit being serfs and start being bosses who hire people.

  5. 5.

    TenguPhule

    July 25, 2017 at 5:43 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    his was always, to my mind, one of the big selling points for Obamacare that never got sold.

    Really? I recall President Obama doing his best to talk and get this message out.

    Sadly, not enough people were willing to listen.

  6. 6.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 25, 2017 at 5:44 pm

    @TenguPhule: I have to agree.

  7. 7.

    jo6pac

    July 25, 2017 at 5:46 pm

    May be demodogs will now run on Medi-Care all for 2018. I sometimes make myself laugh.

  8. 8.

    Yarrow

    July 25, 2017 at 5:46 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Me too. I don’t understand why more people didn’t get that Obamacare enabled entrepreneurship. It created jobs.

  9. 9.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 25, 2017 at 5:47 pm

    Mama Anderson sounds cool. You should introduce her to John Cole’s mother, also cool.

  10. 10.

    Yarrow

    July 25, 2017 at 5:48 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Rs declared a war against the non Rs when President Obama got elected the first time, this is just the latest salvo.

    Goes back to Gingrich at least, if not Nixon.

  11. 11.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 25, 2017 at 5:48 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Obama said it quite a bit; other Democrats, no so much. I agree that it’s a Big Biden Deal*.

    ETA: BBD* to make jl happy.

  12. 12.

    lollipopguild

    July 25, 2017 at 5:48 pm

    Other people have said it but it bears repeating–the Gop is no longer a political party but a cult-a death cult where a certain number of Americans must die each year due to a lack of health care. Certain members of the cult need to see a certain level of death and suffering in order to be appeased and happy.

  13. 13.

    TenguPhule

    July 25, 2017 at 5:51 pm

    @Yarrow:

    Goes back to Gingrich at least, if not Nixon.

    Subversion, not open warfare. They had fig leaves then.

    Now they’re naked and making a full frontal assault.

  14. 14.

    beth

    July 25, 2017 at 5:52 pm

    http://www.postandcourier.com/politics/mount-pleasant-family-helps-donald-trump-push-for-health-care/article_3224824c-707c-11e7-95f9-b7efb885941a.html

    This is one of the families that stood with Trump yesterday as “victims”. They have a three year old with spina bifida so they’ve never had to deal with insurance pre-ACA. They fully admit they’ve benefited from Obamacare. I don’t want to examine their countertops – I want to shake them by the shoulders and make them realize that without the ACA their kid would have probably hit his maximum lifetime benefit and instead of being photographed at the White House he’d be photographed for the “donate now” cans on the local 7-11 checkout counters. I only hope they read the comments (mostly unsupportive but respectful) and do some serious thinking. I just can’t figure out how we reach people like this.

  15. 15.

    Starfish

    July 25, 2017 at 5:52 pm

    A chap was so wise and mature,
    His heart so courageous and pure,
    Though ailing, he stood
    And did all he could
    To help disadvantage the poor.

    I really enjoy the
    Limericking Twitter feed.

  16. 16.

    Yarrow

    July 25, 2017 at 5:53 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Agreed. President Obama did everything he could to explain the ACA and how it benefited everyone in all sorts of ways. He is not to blame. The rest of the Dems…well, it’s a mixed bag.

  17. 17.

    Timurid

    July 25, 2017 at 5:54 pm

    I got into it today with some NeverTrump conservatives (including a few of color) in my Twitter feed who are supporting this bill.
    They’ve been stumbling around like drunks in the dark for months wondering where this Trump monster came from and why their movement is suddenly overrun by racists and thieves. The one thing they all have in common is devotion to the idea of razor edged, merciless meritocracy. In their view, consequences and the fear thereof instill virtue. In reality, the absence of a safety net inspires not virtue, but vice. A meritocracy can only sustain itself when there are some guarantees for the losers and the stakes of competition are not lethally high. When the stakes of social and economic competition are life and death, playing by the rules is a fool’s game. People cheat the system, they turn away from civil society (which is now placing them in jeopardy instead of protecting them) in favor of their tribe, they seek protection from strongmen or they pursue some combination of all of these. Unrestrained meritocracy descends into corruption, lawlessness and tribalism. Always.

    These people are crying about Trump while cheering the exact attitudes and actions that brought us Trump.

  18. 18.

    Starfish

    July 25, 2017 at 5:54 pm

    @beth: The second person they interview in this story is mindbendingly stupid.

  19. 19.

    Roger Moore

    July 25, 2017 at 5:54 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    They declared back with Bush v Gore.

    The Republicans declared war on America when Nixon sabotaged the Paris peace talks to help him win the 1968 election. They’ve been putting party ahead of country ever since.

  20. 20.

    Starfish

    July 25, 2017 at 5:56 pm

    @Timurid: Trump is evidence that there is no meritocracy because if there were a meritocracy, Trump would be homeless by now.

  21. 21.

    Yarrow

    July 25, 2017 at 5:56 pm

    @beth: I saw the people standing behind Trump. They were all white with the exception of one young Asian girl. So they’re white people who voted tribally. Very hard to reach. It’s lizard brain, not facts. it’s going to take their kid losing coverage and them having to sell the house or beg on the street to cover medical expenses to make them realize they may have made a mistake. And even then, wouldn’t hold my breath.

  22. 22.

    Roger Moore

    July 25, 2017 at 5:57 pm

    @Yarrow:
    The Republican donors get it, and that’s one of the things they hate about it. Nothing scares entrenched economic interests more than actual entrepreneurship.

  23. 23.

    Roger Moore

    July 25, 2017 at 5:59 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    Now they’re naked and making a full frontal assault.

    Couldn’t they please limit themselves to mopping the bathroom?

  24. 24.

    catclub

    July 25, 2017 at 6:02 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    This was always, to my mind, one of the big selling points for Obamacare that never got sold.

    yep.
    I was thinking that when the various ACA proto-bills were scored by the CBO, all that mattered was the final dollar number of the change in the deficit, rather than how many people would be likely to get insurance for the first time (That is my impression now, I am not claiming there was no discussion of number of insured then – just do not remember that part compared with the $110B deficit decrease over ten years cheering.)

  25. 25.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 25, 2017 at 6:03 pm

    @jo6pac: Yep, that’s the direction to be pointing the guns today.

  26. 26.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 25, 2017 at 6:05 pm

    @Roger Moore: I’ve been saying for a while, if you want to understand how we got here, read ‘Nixonland’.

  27. 27.

    jl

    July 25, 2017 at 6:08 pm

    @Yarrow:

    ” It [Obamacare] created jobs. ”

    Jobs for the ‘lesser’ people. Small business start-ups by the ‘lesser’ people. Freedom for the ‘lesser’ people to have a spouse or parent at home if they want. Not sure that is a plus for today’s GOPers or the super-rich who fund them.

  28. 28.

    Quinerly

    July 25, 2017 at 6:13 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Excellent book! The one on Goldwater was great too. I struggled with the last one on Reagan…couldn’t finish it. Maybe it was just too recent and I remember living it. Curious if anyone else struggled with it.

  29. 29.

    Gvg

    July 25, 2017 at 6:14 pm

    Umm, I don’t think the entrepreneur idea was sellable widely because the vast majority of people don’t understand basic economic theory. This is at least partly because we don’t teach it early enough like math and English. It may also be because the real boom days of small businesses making it bigger being common enough for many people to have observed and learned how is back at least pre 80’s. The hollowing out of the middle class is related. I know of a few reasons, but not all. I do know we need higher taxes on the upper brackets

  30. 30.

    TenguPhule

    July 25, 2017 at 6:15 pm

    @Roger Moore:

    Couldn’t they please limit themselves to mopping the bathroom?

    Cleaning is for losers. Winners piss on the floor.

  31. 31.

    lollipopguild

    July 25, 2017 at 6:17 pm

    @Starfish: Laugh out loud funny! And True!

  32. 32.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 25, 2017 at 6:19 pm

    @Quinerly:

    Curious if anyone else struggled with it.

    Nope, I liked it.

  33. 33.

    Another Scott

    July 25, 2017 at 6:20 pm

    (Sigh) Coulda swore I refreshed the page before posting this downstairs:

    Guess what else is going on while they try to gut the US healthcare system for tens of millions…

    GovExec:

    House Republicans are poised to move forward with a spending bill addressing one-quarter of the necessary segments to fund the federal government past October, even though the measure would trigger an across the-board sequester at the Defense Department.

    President Trump has indicated he would sign the “minibus” legislation, which, in addition to defense, would fund programs related to military construction and veterans affairs, energy and water development, and the legislative branch. The House is scheduled to vote on the 2018 Make America Secure Appropriations Act this week, despite a lack of a budget deal authorizing lawmakers to exceed spending caps currently in place.

    Democrats were quick to note the measure surpassed the limits spelled out in the 2011 Budget Control Act by $72 billion, which would trigger a 13.2 percent sequestration from all Defense accounts. That would mark the first actual revocation of funds since the 2011 Budget Control Act first went into effect in 2013, when agencies were forced to furlough employees and institute hiring freezes. In fiscal years 2014 through 2017, lawmakers struck bipartisan budget deals to alleviate the spending caps by offsetting the increases with other savings. Congressional negotiators have yet to unveil any such plan for fiscal 2018.

    Also controversially, the measure includes a provision to provide the Homeland Security Department with $1.6 billion for 60 miles of new fencing and 14 miles of secondary fencing along the U.S.-Mexico border. That provision alone will likely doom the measure with Democrats and in the Senate, where the bill will need 60 votes to pass. Democratic appropriators warned that their counterparts were “raising the threat of a disastrous Republican government shutdown” by failing to work on a bipartisan basis on raising caps on both defense and non-defense spending. Republicans have left a funding plan for non-defense agencies “with no path forward,” the Democrats said.

    In addition to Grandma not having health care any more, they’re trying to make sure she doesn’t get her checks on time, also too.

    We have to fight them every single day…

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  34. 34.

    Baud

    July 25, 2017 at 6:20 pm

    Free in flight WiFi is slow but cool.

  35. 35.

    Mnemosyne

    July 25, 2017 at 6:22 pm

    @jo6pac:

    Please, like you’d ever vote for a Democrat. You’ll come up with some other bullshit excuse for why you can’t be bothered to stop the Republicans from killing people.

  36. 36.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 25, 2017 at 6:22 pm

    @Gvg: I disagree.

    You don’t need an Economic education to understand that benefits will lock you into a job.

    More than higher taxes levels on existing tax brackets, we need more tax brackets with higher tax rates on those brackets.

  37. 37.

    Lapassionara

    July 25, 2017 at 6:24 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: In truth, the R’s have now declared war on rural America, and on a big and growing segment of our economy. How do they keep their rep of being business-friendly I do not know.

  38. 38.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 25, 2017 at 6:26 pm

    @Baud: You’re in an aeroplane a flying?

  39. 39.

    Quinerly

    July 25, 2017 at 6:26 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: I’ll give it another shot. Remember pre ordering it and being excited about getting it. Got a 1/4 way through it and put it down. Breezed through his other two without putting them down.

  40. 40.

    Mnemosyne

    July 25, 2017 at 6:26 pm

    Also, a tiny rant before the onslaught of trolls begins:

    We are going to get a bunch of trolls who claim to be on the left wringing their hands about how awful the Democrats are to try and distract us all for the fact that the Republicans just voted to kill millions of Americans.

    Here’s my message for the trolls: if you voted for anyone other than Hillary Clinton in November of 2016, this is on you. YOU ARE PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT HAPPENED TODAY.

    So go jerk off with your idiot friends and keep telling yourselves that everyone else is responsible for what you did.

  41. 41.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 25, 2017 at 6:27 pm

    @Lapassionara: Low taxes.

  42. 42.

    KithKanan

    July 25, 2017 at 6:27 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Hell, we don’t need tax brackets at all. Tax rates should be defined mathematically as a gradually increasing curve, such that the marginal tax rate for each additional dollar of income is infinitesimally higher than for the previous dollar. This is why we have computers.

    Not that I expect this to happen in my lifetime.

  43. 43.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 25, 2017 at 6:29 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    Here’s my message for the trolls: if you voted for anyone other than Hillary Clinton or failed to vote in November of 2016…

    Needed some fixin’.

  44. 44.

    TenguPhule

    July 25, 2017 at 6:29 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    So go jerk off with your idiot friends and keep telling yourselves that everyone else is responsible for what you did.

    You sound a little bitter, Mnemosyne.

  45. 45.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    July 25, 2017 at 6:31 pm

    @Mnemosyne:
    Righteous. It’s a shame your rant won’t act like a talisman against the trolls

  46. 46.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 25, 2017 at 6:33 pm

    @KithKanan: That’s just a really small tax bracket, but we need more brackets at the top.

  47. 47.

    Baud

    July 25, 2017 at 6:33 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Yep. Looking forward to Air Force One. I bet it has better internet speeds.

  48. 48.

    Mnemosyne

    July 25, 2017 at 6:34 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    I’m bitter because “leftist” Broflakes spend their time jerking each other off and complaining about how awesome everything would be if oppressed white dudes like them ruled the world again?

    You may as well cut to the chase and claim I’m an ugly old maid who hates men and that’s the only reason I didn’t support the Broflakes’ savior.

  49. 49.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 25, 2017 at 6:34 pm

    @Baud: The one I was on didn’t.

    ETA: But it was the one that had to change it’s call sign midway over Misery(Air Force One to SAM27000).

  50. 50.

    rikyrah

    July 25, 2017 at 6:34 pm

    Thank you Mayhew

  51. 51.

    Weaselone

    July 25, 2017 at 6:35 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: It’s a continuous function so there really isn’t a true bracket.

  52. 52.

    Mnemosyne

    July 25, 2017 at 6:36 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    Those who failed to vote get lined up next for their ass-kicking.

  53. 53.

    Baud

    July 25, 2017 at 6:37 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Probably had a better taping system though.

  54. 54.

    Elizabelle

    July 25, 2017 at 6:37 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Thank you. Agreed.

  55. 55.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 25, 2017 at 6:39 pm

    @Baud:

    Probably had a better taping system though.

    You betcha it did.

  56. 56.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    July 25, 2017 at 6:40 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    You may as well cut to the chase and claim I’m an ugly old maid who hates men and that’s the only reason I didn’t support the Broflakes’ savior.

    I’m sure that’s an argument that’s been made somewhere

  57. 57.

    Starfish

    July 25, 2017 at 6:41 pm

    @Mnemosyne: We have a wonderful delicious pie filter now so we can use that.

    I am so tired of bros of all sorts. Taxation is theft bros. Both sides are equally bad bros. I told my sister I was going militant feminist and just voting for women if possible.

  58. 58.

    Mnemosyne

    July 25, 2017 at 6:42 pm

    Though let me add one more thing to my above rant that is a repeat of something I’ve said before:

    All you fucking Broflakes had a chance to resist fascism back in November, but you were too wrapped up in your fee-fees and your bruised masculinity to do the right thing.

    You can play all the rounds of “Call of Duty” you want, but when it came to actually resisting fascism, you flopped over like a submissive puppy and invited Trump to have his way with you.

  59. 59.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 25, 2017 at 6:42 pm

    @Weaselone: Unless you eliminate rounding to the nearest dollar, it’s be a dollar sized bracket, otherwise a cent. It’d never be truly continuous since money is discrete.

  60. 60.

    Roger Moore

    July 25, 2017 at 6:42 pm

    @Lapassionara:

    How do they keep their rep of being business-friendly I do not know.

    They’re friendly to rentier capitalists, which they pretend means they’re business friendly.

  61. 61.

    KithKanan

    July 25, 2017 at 6:44 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: I won’t argue with that. I’m happy CA finally added some. It was completely insane that a decade ago the top state income tax bracket started somewhere around the 60th percentile of household income.

  62. 62.

    ArchTeryx

    July 25, 2017 at 6:47 pm

    I’ve been talking with this over with my psychiatrist, who’s an Ecuadorian refugee. He started out a well-to-do right winger before the death squads, but once they came close to knocking on his door, he fled to the U.S. and completely changed his political stance.

    He thinks that we haven’t gone that far yet but he sees this whole push to wreck medical care as nothing less then a purging of “undesirables”. Purges rarely are finicky about who they kill, either. They may be targeted primarily at one group, but there’s tons of collateral damage. They’re purging the poor and shoveling the money upward. No more, no less. If they break the health care system in the process, well, ? ¯_(ツ)_/¯

  63. 63.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 25, 2017 at 6:47 pm

    @KithKanan: True, I think the top bracket starts around 200k, really? So someone making 10 million pays the same percent as someone making 200k; not very progressive.

  64. 64.

    chopper

    July 25, 2017 at 6:53 pm

    I know my daughter will be a massive dork (as she cried last night that she missed school as she was not learning enough new things at summer camp, and could we buy her some new math workbooks). I know she will be a goof ball with a massive amount of empathy and a strongly developed sense of fairness. I know that when she is adult, her possibility space will be massive….

    that’s my 8yo to a tee.

  65. 65.

    ArchTeryx

    July 25, 2017 at 6:56 pm

    “Contraction of possibility space” is a rather gross understatement. More like the kid’s choices and a crapload of economic luck may well end up determining whether she lives a long healthy life or dies in her 20s from some treatable genetic malady.

    “He chose…poorly.” ain’t just for Indiana Jones any more.

  66. 66.

    Lapassionara

    July 25, 2017 at 6:57 pm

    @Roger Moore: Unfortunately, their base believes it too.

  67. 67.

    KithKanan

    July 25, 2017 at 6:58 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Federal? It’s in the 400k range. Low 400k if single, high 400k if married.

    Comparatively, the highest tax brackets in the first half of the century started in the millions of dollars if inflation-adjusted.

  68. 68.

    Uncle Ebeneezer

    July 25, 2017 at 6:58 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Also those who voted for HRC but only after spending 18 months lamenting how hard it would be to hold their nose and do it because SinglePayerGoldmanSachsEmailz etc.

    She made it real clear that if elected she would protect Obama’s Legacy and prevent shit like today from ever happening, but too many assholes just couldn’t take that threat seriously. Fuck all of ’em.

  69. 69.

    Villago Delenda Est

    July 25, 2017 at 7:00 pm

    @Roger Moore: Keynes spoke of the “euthanasia of the rentier”. At this point, I’m far more inclined to go with slow painful deaths for them.

  70. 70.

    Mnemosyne

    July 25, 2017 at 7:01 pm

    I’m going to beat rikyrah to the Very Smart Brothas link since she introduced me to them:

    Coward with Terminal Brain Cancer Jumps Out of Government Funded Death Bed to Kill Other Sick People

    And, no, I still don’t think McCain “deserves” brain cancer, because nobody fucking deserves to get cancer. If you still think that, then you’re no better than my asshole grandfather, who told my dad (his son) that my mother must have done something really bad since God decided to punish her with terminal breast cancer.

  71. 71.

    Ohio Mom

    July 25, 2017 at 7:01 pm

    @beth: Having a kid with spina bifida is hard. Your kid needs the regular attention of a half-dozen different sub-specialties, and those doctors need to be working together.

    If I was advising them, I’d say they should move to someplace with a children’s hospital with a strong spina bifida program, where all the different types of doctors work together. You go in for your regular check-up and see one doctor after another, and in between, the doctors step out and compare notes on your kid right then and there. Yeah, it is a big sacrifice to uproot your whole family because of your kid’s medical needs but it is not unheard of.

    But I am not advising them, I am cursing that complete idiot of a mother out. How naive can you be, to think that arguing with the insurance company is something new?

    All of us have put up with our insurance plans dropping doctors, refusing to cover procedures, telling us we can’t take the med prescribed by our doctor, take this one instead, for as long as we have been adults with insurance. It is why insurance companies need more regulation, not less.

    She didn’t get to be so stupid on her own though. The disability community (with small exceptions like ADAPT) has been horribly silent on health care policy. The spina bifida association didn’t educate her, and obviously, neither has her kid’s doctors. They are all laboring under the impression, “They wouldn’t do anything to our kids.”

    Guess what lady, you are about to find out how bad things can get for your kid.

    I usually feel a lot of comraderie for my fellow special needs moms but her…!

  72. 72.

    weaselone

    July 25, 2017 at 7:04 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: We can carry over fractions to next year’s income tax.

    Just out of curiosity, does that mean that current upper bracket is actually multiple brackets because of rounding to the nearest penny?

  73. 73.

    SenyorDave

    July 25, 2017 at 7:05 pm

    But her emails.

    There, somebody has to inject some common sense into this discussion. Seriously, my wife’s cousin and wife stayed with us last Tuesday. I was talking to Stephen, and he casually mentioned that he voted for Trump. Why? He gave two reasons, Benghazi and “he wanted to shake things up”. And no, Trump’s character didn’t bother him a bit. He said everybody’s got some skeletons in the closet. When I pointed out that trump’s skeletons were probably MUCH WORSE than the terrible things we actually do know about him, he did shut up a little. I started to give him the standard “he’s an amoral, racist sexual predator”, but I just gave up and said let’s not talk politics. I don’t want to get an ulcer. So many white males are stupid shits (coming from a white male).

  74. 74.

    Baud

    July 25, 2017 at 7:07 pm

    @SenyorDave: He didn’t think Benghazi was an attempt to shake things up?

  75. 75.

    khead

    July 25, 2017 at 7:08 pm

    @Timurid:

    The one thing they all have in common is devotion to the idea of razor edged, merciless meritocracy. In their view, consequences and the fear thereof instill virtue. In reality, the absence of a safety net inspires not virtue, but vice. A meritocracy can only sustain itself when there are some guarantees for the losers and the stakes of competition are not lethally high. When the stakes of social and economic competition are life and death, playing by the rules is a fool’s game. People cheat the system, they turn away from civil society (which is now placing them in jeopardy instead of protecting them) in favor of their tribe, they seek protection from strongmen or they pursue some combination of all of these. Unrestrained meritocracy descends into corruption, lawlessness and tribalism. Always.

    I just tell the folks I know with that view – “Yes, I enjoyed Bioshock too”.

  76. 76.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    July 25, 2017 at 7:08 pm

    Well, its starting. Don’t plan to watch myself, but anyone can here if they wish:

    http://wkbn.com/2017/07/25/vienna-struthers-and-youngstown-ready-for-president-trumps-visit/

    Unfortunately, it looks like a fairly decent crowd from pictures. Only one picture of protesters in the gallery:

    http://wkbn.com/2017/07/25/photos-president-trump-visits-youngstown/

  77. 77.

    ChrisH

    July 25, 2017 at 7:08 pm

    Who will be the first to Photoshop Senator Capito in with the picture of Rep Farenthold in the ducky pajamas? She certainly proved she isn’t one of those awful women today.

  78. 78.

    Villago Delenda Est

    July 25, 2017 at 7:10 pm

    @SenyorDave: There seems to be an endless supply of stupid shit white males, and I’m also a white male. They are an embarrassment to us all.

  79. 79.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 25, 2017 at 7:11 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    my asshole grandfather, who told my dad (his son) that my mother must have done something really bad since God decided to punish her with terminal breast cancer.

    Damn.

  80. 80.

    Roger Moore

    July 25, 2017 at 7:12 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    Keynes spoke of the “euthanasia of the rentier”. At this point, I’m far more inclined to go with slow painful deaths for them.

    Just make sure to increase the estate tax first.

  81. 81.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    July 25, 2017 at 7:13 pm

    @Mnemosyne:
    That’s horrible that your grandfather said that about your mom.

  82. 82.

    Betty Cracker

    July 25, 2017 at 7:13 pm

    @SenyorDave: Half my family are wingnut Trump voters. I used to invoke the “no politics” rule to keep the peace. No more.

    What did their t-shirts say, “Fuck your feelings”? My attitude now is, “No — fuck YOUR feelings.” I’ll be at a big family shindig this weekend. Should be interesting!

  83. 83.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 25, 2017 at 7:13 pm

    @weaselone: Numbers in taxes can legally be rounded to the dollar.

  84. 84.

    Mnemosyne

    July 25, 2017 at 7:15 pm

    @Ohio Mom:

    I hope that woman’s parent or grandparent has to come live with her because they weren’t getting Medicaid for the nursing home anymore. ?

  85. 85.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 25, 2017 at 7:17 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    What did their t-shirts say, “Fuck your feelings”? My attitude now is, “No — fuck YOUR feelings.” I’ll be at a big family shindig this weekend. Should be interesting!

    Film at 11!

  86. 86.

    Yarrow

    July 25, 2017 at 7:17 pm

    @beth:
    From the article:

    Ultimately, Weer said, she felt fairly confident that under the Senate Republican bill, preexisting conditions protections would be preserved, along with the ban on lifetime spending caps.

    How the hell does she get that? What a dumbass. Well, maybe now they’ll get to experience the nirvana that is healthcare under Republicans. Oh, their kid suffers and dies? At least it’s not Obamacare! What a relief!

    To be clear, I’m not wishing any of that on them. But these kinds of idiots will only learn how bad it can get for them when it gets that bad for them.

  87. 87.

    Mnemosyne

    July 25, 2017 at 7:18 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Yeah, I’m pretty sure my paternal grandfather was a classic toxic narcissist. The stories …

  88. 88.

    JKFJS

    July 25, 2017 at 7:20 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: It goes back further than that. Think Bill Clinton’s first inauguration.

  89. 89.

    Mnemosyne

    July 25, 2017 at 7:20 pm

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:

    And that’s why “X deserved to get sick” is kind of a berserk button for me.

    I didn’t know about this stuff until I was an adult and my grandfather was long dead, but it’s all been confirmed and augmented by additional stories from my aunts.

  90. 90.

    JKFJS

    July 25, 2017 at 7:22 pm

    @TenguPhule: The whole Clinton impeachment process was open warfare.

  91. 91.

    Patricia Kayden

    July 25, 2017 at 7:24 pm

    @beth:

    I just can’t figure out how we reach people like this.

    We can’t. Perhaps after Trump Care is passed and they start suffering its consequences, then they’ll figure things out. But until then, they’ll continue to support their MAGA President.

  92. 92.

    Roger Moore

    July 25, 2017 at 7:25 pm

    @Yarrow:

    How the hell does she get that?

    Because that nice Mr. Trump promised.

  93. 93.

    gene108

    July 25, 2017 at 7:26 pm

    @Yarrow:

    Me too. I don’t understand why more people didn’t get that Obamacare enabled entrepreneurship. It created jobs.

    Because Republicans and right-wing media were screaming about how the PPACA would destroy human civilization, nay all of creation. It would destroy all the jobs. Make wait times for doctors so long we would all die.

    They thought it would be sooooooo bad that dubbed it Obamacare, so he would forever be linked to the law that ushered in the extinction of humankind.

    The first bill the House voted on to repeal Obamacare was entitled, “Repealing the Job-Killing Healthcare Law Act”.

    With so much noise saying how terrible the PPACA was going to be, it’s hard for people to hear the good points. The good points got drowned out in a flood of argle-bargle.

  94. 94.

    Patricia Kayden

    July 25, 2017 at 7:27 pm

    @Betty Cracker: The Trumpers in your family should be very happy now. Their peeps are on their way to destroying one of President Obama’s greatest accomplishments. Hope none of them depend on the ACA in any way because they’re about to get screwed (along with the rest of us).

  95. 95.

    Ohio Mom

    July 25, 2017 at 7:30 pm

    @Mnemosyne: There won’t be space for grandma, her son isn’t going anywhere after Medicaid is shredded.

    The entire disabled adult supports system and structure is funded by Medicaid. Those day programs, etc. don’t fund themselves. She’ll look back fondly on these days of arguing with the insurance company when her son is home with nothing to do, ever.

  96. 96.

    frosty

    July 25, 2017 at 7:34 pm

    @Quinerly:

    Maybe it was just too recent and I remember living it. Curious if anyone else struggled with it.

    That was the case with Nixonland for me. Couldn’t make it past the first chapter or two. Lived it, did NOT want to live it again.

  97. 97.

    Annie

    July 25, 2017 at 7:35 pm

    “Underwritten insurance in the individual market shuts down a lot of dreams that can turn into viable businesses”

    This, this, this. Back in 1997 I left a job and wanted very much to work as a paralegal long-term temp and/or consultant to small law firms. But I could not find individual insurance that I could afford, while maintaining a financial cushion against periods of unemployment. So I got another job, and eventually moved on to the job I have now that I mostly like. Not a tragedy, certainly, but a missed opportunity that the Rethugs have now taken away again.

    And those Trump supporters with the T-shirts that said “F*** your feelings” don’t seem to get that now we can say “F*** your feelings back atcha, schmucks.”

  98. 98.

    Yarrow

    July 25, 2017 at 7:36 pm

    @gene108: It’s also that the Republicans play to fear and Democrats and liberals have a tendency to respond with facts. Somehow Dems need to figure out how to reach the lizard brain. Maybe losing healthcare will do it.

    But honestly, I’d talk up the entrepreneur-enabling side of Obamacare all the time. Talk about how it freed people up to start businesses, take some chances. I’d get puzzled looks in return. It really never registered. Every single increase premium increase or loss of a medication being covered on their work policy sure did, though. Now that the Republicans are “doing something” to healthcare, whatever happens to employer-based health insurance will be on them.

  99. 99.

    Zelma

    July 25, 2017 at 7:40 pm

    @Quinerly: I couldn’t read Nixonland for the exact same reason. It was all too real and current for someone who lived through it. Too painful. I read a lot of history but nothing after World War II. Then, for me, it’s current events.

  100. 100.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 25, 2017 at 7:41 pm

    @JKFJS: What happened at his inauguration?

  101. 101.

    Yarrow

    July 25, 2017 at 7:42 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    Half my family are wingnut Trump voters. I used to invoke the “no politics” rule to keep the peace. No more.

    What did their t-shirts say, “Fuck your feelings”? My attitude now is, “No — fuck YOUR feelings.” I’ll be at a big family shindig this weekend. Should be interesting

    I like to say, “Thanks for voting to kill me!”

  102. 102.

    frosty

    July 25, 2017 at 7:44 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    “X deserved to get sick”

    There’s Christian Science in a nutshell. He deserved it, he didn’t have enough faith. And probably a few other offshoot cults as well that I’m not as familiar with.

  103. 103.

    woodrowfan

    July 25, 2017 at 7:45 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: even more basic, if you are a US citizen and you did not vote for Hillary, FUCK YOU.

  104. 104.

    Patricia Kayden

    July 25, 2017 at 7:47 pm

    @Another Scott:

    Democratic appropriators warned that their counterparts were “raising the threat of a disastrous Republican government shutdown” by failing to work on a bipartisan basis

    Wouldn’t it be bizarre if Republicans shut down a government over which they have full control? Just another indication that they really don’t know how to govern (which may not be a bad thing actually).

  105. 105.

    Jeffro

    July 25, 2017 at 7:49 pm

    Could one of you front pagers please post a picture of the Photoshopped merit badge that Trump supposedly earned during the Vietnam war? It’s up on Twitter

  106. 106.

    Jeffro

    July 25, 2017 at 7:50 pm

    Look at @snarkaroni and you’ll see it!

  107. 107.

    Kathleen

    July 25, 2017 at 7:51 pm

    @lollipopguild: It’s their Viagra. The suffering is of others is all they have.

  108. 108.

    dmsilev

    July 25, 2017 at 7:51 pm

    @ChrisH: The Onion has taken the measure of Senator Capito:

    Senator Struggling To Weigh Interests Of Entire Constituency Against Nothing

    WASHINGTON—As legislators gathered Tuesday for a critical vote that would go a long way toward finally repealing and replacing the Affordable Care Act, Senator Shelley Moore Capito (R-WV) was reportedly struggling to weigh the interests of her entire constituency against absolutely nothing. “Honestly, it’s a tough call—on one hand, you have opposition to the repeal from a majority of Republicans, virtually all Democrats, and the entire healthcare industry, while on the other, you have not one sound argument or credible opinion,” said Capito, admitting she was, even now, having difficulty balancing her desire to keep as many West Virginians insured as possible with there being no reason whatsoever to do otherwise. “This is an agonizing decision. Sure, there are sound justifications for voting no on ‘repeal and replace,’ but then there’s emptiness, literal emptiness, when you look for reasons to vote yes. All I know is, I have to get this right somehow.” At press time, Senator Capito had resigned herself to the fact that both sides had valid points and she would just have to go with her gut when the time came.

  109. 109.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    July 25, 2017 at 7:52 pm

    @frosty: You should have continued on, there are some real insights in there.

  110. 110.

    Kathleen

    July 25, 2017 at 7:54 pm

    @Roger Moore: Then Reagan and Company delayed release of hostages in Iran to make Carter look bad and strike a deal to advance death and destruction in Central America.

  111. 111.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 25, 2017 at 7:54 pm

    @khead: That is bullshit, they have no respect for people who make it by the rules they have set either, like either President Obama or President Clinton. They bow before those born with silver spoons in their mouths.

  112. 112.

    TenguPhule

    July 25, 2017 at 7:58 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Please replace the batteries on your snark detector please. Sincerely, the Dept of Redundancy Dept.

  113. 113.

    Kathleen

    July 25, 2017 at 8:01 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est: I prefer drawn out, painful, tortuous lives.

  114. 114.

    Quinerly

    July 25, 2017 at 8:01 pm

    @Zelma:
    I was born in 1961. Actually, the Goldwater one (Before the Storm)might have been the most interesting one of the three. Even though I was a political science major in college, most of the inside baseball stuff in Before the Storm was new to me. I’m going to try again on the Reagan one. Right now I have been spending my days sitting on the beach, plowing through one Tony Hillerman a day. I’m on politics overload.

  115. 115.

    JKFJS

    July 25, 2017 at 8:03 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: Nothing at the inauguration specifically, just using that as the demarcation point for the GOP’s open warfare against Democrats. But as others have noted, it probably goes back to Nixon in 1968, if not earlier.

  116. 116.

    Zelma

    July 25, 2017 at 8:41 pm

    @Quinerly: I graduated from high school in 1961 and have been something of a political junkie ever since. I taught 20th century world history and some modern American history for 40 years (as well as Western Civ, British history, women’s history – you name it, I’ve taught it.) I think the reason I couldn’t read Nixonland was because Perlstein made it so real and I knew what was coming and I just couldn’t take it! Right now I’m reading a great history of the Reformation which is far enough removed from 2017 to be a distraction. Even though I know what’s coming and it ain’t pretty.

  117. 117.

    Sab

    July 25, 2017 at 9:03 pm

    @Ohio Mom: I am not dealing with a disabled kid. I am just an older adults too young for Medicare.

    Back before Obamacare I got my insurance from my employer, and every time there was a premium hike they switched insurers, so my doctorschedule stopped being in network, my deductible increased, etc. Eventually it got to the point where the entire County I lived in was out of network, so if I had to go to the emergency room the in-network one was 40 miles away.

    That mom in South Carolina is an ignorant fool.

  118. 118.

    Ithink

    July 25, 2017 at 9:08 pm

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:

    Fellow B.J. community members, this rally is as gawd-awful atrocious as any of the previous few hundred I’ve witnessed through the T.V.; its all standard Trump fare of course, nothing outstanding CRAZY per se.

    Except for the fact that its clinically insane to realize with a modicum of reservation that this many reactionary loons are my fellow American citizens and wish harm or worse upon all outside their fascistic bubble. I don’t return their darkest impulses, but seriously f*** compromising politically with most all these troglodytes. They make me physics I’ll to even look @ behaving like this!

  119. 119.

    Miss Bianca

    July 25, 2017 at 9:52 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: this. this this this. it’s as if they WANT us to have no dreams, run no risks, stay chained to our shitty jobs for the insurance. Wait…could it BE….?

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