WaPo just posted a scoop using leaked transcripts of calls Trump had with Australian PM Malcolm Turnbull and Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto shortly after taking office. The conversations reveal Trump to be a peevish, vain weakling who’s more concerned with his image than how policy affects Americans. Hoocoodanode, right?
Trump’s negotiating strategy appears to consist of whining and begging foreign leaders not to publicly pants him for telling cynical lies during the campaign. An excerpt:
Both calls centered on immigration-related issues with high political stakes for Trump, who built his campaign around vows to erect new barriers — physical and legal — to entry to the United States.
But there was little discussion of the substance of those plans or their implications for U.S. relations with Australia and Mexico. Instead, Trump’s overriding concern seemed to center on how any approach would reflect on him.
“This is going to kill me,” he said to Turnbull. “I am the world’s greatest person that does not want to let people into the country. And now I am agreeing to take 2,000 people.”
The agreement reached by the Obama administration actually called for the United States to admit 1,250 refugees, subject to security screening. A White House readout of the Trump call, issued at the time, said only that the two leaders had “emphasized the enduring strength and closeness of the U.S.-Australia relationship.”
Trump spent much of his call with Peña Nieto seeking to enlist the Mexican president in a deal to stop talking about how the wall would be paid for. Two days earlier, Trump had signed an executive order mandating construction of the wall, but funding for it remains unclear.
“On the wall, you and I both have a political problem,” Trump said. “My people stand up and say, ‘Mexico will pay for the wall,’ and your people probably say something in a similar but slightly different language.”
Trump seemed to acknowledge that his threats to make Mexico pay had left him cornered politically. “I have to have Mexico pay for the wall — I have to,” he said. “I have been talking about it for a two-year period.”
To solve that problem, Trump pressured Peña Nieto to suppress the issue. When pressed on who would pay for the wall, “We should both say, ‘We will work it out.’ It will work out in the formula somehow,” Trump said. “As opposed to you saying, ‘We will not pay,’ and me saying, ‘We will not pay.’ ”
Peña Nieto resisted, saying that Trump’s repeated threats had placed “a very big mark on our back, Mr. President.” He warned that “my position has been and will continue to be very firm, saying that Mexico cannot pay for the wall.”
Trump objected: “But you cannot say that to the press. The press is going to go with that, and I cannot live with that.”
What a fucking disgrace. There’s really nothing else to say except this: I’m ashamed to be an American every day this buffoon is in office.
In other news, there’s no further point in commentary on the Stephen Miller “Statue of Liberty poem sux” kerfluffle as a gentleman on Twitter posted the perfect rejoinder last night:
if I want to see a fascist gun nut screaming at the Statue of Liberty I'll watch the end of planet of the apes
— Saladin Ahmed (@saladinahmed) August 3, 2017
The end.
maurinsky
Trump is a whiny little bitch, isn’t he?
You’ll forgive me if I don’t believe this, considering the official also said the conversations were putting America first – they were clearly putting Trump first.
Lurking Canadian
He is literally delusional. “Come on, I said you were going to pay for the wall! You can’t just say you’re not paying for the wall. Think how bad that’ll make me look!”
What the hell is wrong with this guy? Does he literally not understand that the President of Mexico doesn’t work for him? Does he think he has Bene Gesserit mind powers and he can force people to do his will by using Voice?
satby
Whiny bitches all over the world object to being lumped in with the doofus illicitly occupying the White House.
Rob in CT
The biggest whiners in the world are US Conservatives. You know, the people who say things like “fuck your feelings” and “do you need a safe space?” to others. It’s always projection with these people. And Trump is their avatar.
Gin & Tonic
Jesus, everybody in that WH leaks everything. It is truly remarkable.
Major Major Major Major
An actual baby would be a better president.
Catherine D.
Planet of the Apes has better hair and makeup.
Keith P.
@Rob in CT: And don’t forget “snowflake”. Like every talking point they have, it spreads like wildfire to the point where EVERYBODY in the GOP now uses it, even supposed “professionals”. I must have heard it 100 times this year vs. zero last year.
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
That asshole couldn’t negotiate the price of a blowjob at a bordello.
His only leverage in any contested negotiation is related to the dollar value of the minimization of the projected damage that his failures have wrought.
bystander
Who would leak this? This has to have been leaked to damage him. Who has access to the transcripts?
Elizabelle
Applause, applause, applause. I wish our media were as clear-eyed.
Lurking Canadian
@bystander: Presumably the leaders of Mexico and Australia have transcripts.
Iowa Old Lady
If you look like a dope, you might wonder if you actually are one.
FlipYrWhig
I like how he thinks “if you do that thing you’ll make me look bad!” is a convincing argument NOT to do that thing.
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@bystander:
“The calls are coming from INSIDE THE HOUSE!!!”
Off topic, I always said that LinkedIn is the devil. Apparently, the Russian Federation is mining LinkedIn data in order to go after critics online and in meatspace.
I thought I was getting a lot of requests despite being a mostly inactive account.
FlipYrWhig
@bystander: Weren’t Spicer and/or Priebus and/or Flynn present for most of these interactions?
NickM
“I promised something and I can’t deliver! Will you help me out?” is about the weakest negotiating position you can start from.
me
“I am the world’s greatest person that does not want to let people into the country.”
He’s the what now?
Betty Cracker
@Lurking Canadian: According to the Post story, it was classified US transcripts that were leaked.
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@FlipYrWhig:
Sadly, that tactic worked with his creditors for decades before they had enough and called him on his bullshit, which is how he ended up with the Russians. Those earlier creditors were forgiving and forbearing in order to stave off failure.
In governing, a different dynamic exists, and he’s incapable of learning that.
mai naem mobile
Remember somebody’s theory was that Dolt45 thought Turnbull was a lefty because he’s from the Aussie Liberal Party but that’s the conservative party in Australia and Labor is the left. Ofcourse Dolt45 is too stupid to know that . I’m surprised he didn’t have a speech with something like ” You know the Liberal party in Australia is actually conservative,not many people know that….’
Chyron HR
@Lurking Canadian:
No, he is the Pusse Grabberit. They just let him do it!
Major Major Major Major
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:
Is this a thing that’s supposed to be easy? I’d imagine the prices are fixed.
Betty Cracker
@me: Amazing, isn’t it? So much stupidity, vainglory and inarticulateness crammed into to so few words.
A Ghost To Most
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:
He could stick his head in a barrel of tits, and come up sucking on an asshole.
FlipYrWhig
@Chyron HR: Nice :D
Gin & Tonic
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: It’s the old story: if I owe the bank $10,000 and can’t pay it, I have a problem; if I owe the bank $10,000,000 and can’t pay it, the bank has a problem.
Just that if you do that enough times, you run out of banks.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
There it is, Rubes, he thinks you’re stupid. Also, yesterday Paulie Ryan went to the border and posed for getting’ his picture took, which he likes to do. On a horsey! I wonder if in the back of his mind he wised he could take his shirt off like Vlad, or at least brought a more “cowboy” outfit.
drywall covered in mirrors and faux pink marble?
satby
@bystander: @Betty Cracker: betting the spooks. Adding a little more speed to his downward trajectory.
Chris
Pathetic. This is the “tough guy” that millions of cretins voted for, the guy who was going to be a no-nonsense badass who was going to get tough on all those foreigners that’re supposedly taking advantage of. This is what he does behind closed doors: beg those same foreigners to be nice to him so he doesn’t have to look bad for his friends.
Central Planning
QFT:
True, true, and true.
randy khan
These transcripts are among the least surprising revelations to come out since the election. Of course he didn’t know how to negotiate with foreign leaders. He had no leverage and nothing to offer them, so naturally it wasn’t going to come out well. The only surprise to me is that it took this long for the transcripts to see the light of day. (I’m not surprised they came from the U.S. and not from the other governments – even if Trump doesn’t realize it, norms of diplomatic conduct generally would keep other countries from revealing something like this.)
Gin & Tonic
@satby: Asshole Schindler says the leaks are from the WH, not the IC.
Betty Cracker
PS: The transcript, which is available at the Post article linked above, contains comments even more cringe-worthy than those I excerpted. Trump relives his glorious EC victory, refers to himself in the third person, etc. But you knew that, probably.
Fester Addams
@bystander:
You’d think! But who knows, maybe they figure that shit sounds like winning to a baseline Trump voter. Maybe it does.
eclare
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Comment on the Paulie pic, if the pres can play with trucks, I can ride a horsey!
Kay
So how much are we going to pay for this wall in order to protect Donald Trump? God knows what he was willing to trade to get Mexico to stop talking about who would pay for the wall.
The wall will be a disaster anyway. Trump’s low quality hires can’t manage building a wall. It’ll be an expensive, corrupt boondoggle. Contractors are already complaining that the whole process is being driven by Trump’s political needs, that his low quality hires are making ridiculous demands.
It’s already a disaster. Scrap the wall. They’re too incompetent to build one.
Petorado
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: That worked with his past creditors because his “good name” was his only thing of value and to devalue the brand would mean they wouldn’t get any return on investment. This is not so much in his new gig.
Scott
Always say “we are proud Americans but ashamed we have this buffoon in office”. Subtle difference but we got to be better at language in this day and age.
Seth Owen
I’ll say this for Trump. No matter how bad he gets, he always manages to exceed expectations the next day.
Him begging Mexico to stop talking about the wall is amazing. How is it Mexico’s problem?
Interesting implication here: if transcripts like this exist of calls to Mexico and Australia, obviously there are transcripts of his calls to Putin. I can’t wait until THOSE come out. I expect those were much less, er, contentious.
eric
@Central Planning: I must disagree. I am not ashamed at all. I would be ashamed if ALL Americans were silent. Or, if his approval numbers were through the roof. Or, if Americans were not allowed to speak freely to protest their government. I am ashamed of these officials and disturbed by the Americans that continue to stand by them. But, I am not ashamed to be an American because so many of us are fighting PEACEFULLY to change the direction of our government in the future.
I understand the sentiment, I just dont think that the verbage accurately captures what is going on.
Kay
Paul Ryan, serious conservative intellectual, is now promoting the wall.
They all know they’re scamming their voters. Every single one of them know it.
Jerzy Russian
@A Ghost To Most: Just out of idle curiosity, where can one find a barrel of tits?
Cheryl Rofer
One thing that comes through clearly, in case it hasn’t been clear enough already, is that his objection to any and all agreements negotiated by Obama is that they were negotiated by Obama.
Kay
We deserve this. We’ve been fawning all over low-talent rich people for 30 years. Trump is the natural and inevitable consequence of worshiping these privileged, pampered morons as “strong leaders”.
MomSense
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Idiot president is idiot.
Fester Addams
@me:
They guy who write The Art of the Deal for him says he has a 200-word vocabulary. The word “proponent” isn’t in it.
Major Major Major Major
@Kay:
He’s so wonky and serious and dreamy.
A Ghost To Most
@Jerzy Russian: I don’t know; I got that from an Aussie.
Kay
Remember: Donald Trump spent 2 years saying everyone else was stupid and incompetent and all of these issues were simple and easy.
He actually believes this. He actually believes he’s better than everyone else.
Major Major Major Major
@Fester Addams: huh, now I want to go through his extemporaneous remarks and do a word count.
Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD)
“I won New Hampshire because New Hampshire is a drug-infested den.”
Kay
@Major Major Major Major:
I consider it a huge win that we managed to scuttle Paul Ryan’s life-long dream of destroying Medicaid. He has been planning that since his days as a pampered, privileged college student.
eric
@Kay: He preaches to the Congregation that worship(s)(ed) O’Reilly who proudly exclaimed on INTERNATIONAL television that no one could explain the tides. It is who they all are.
Gretchen
@Keith P.: There was an editorial in the Kansas City Star the other day about how we shouldn’t be upset about Sinclair Broadcasting buying a tv station here. The piece ended with “Don’t be such a snowflake.”
Roger Moore
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:
Which is bizarre, given how much of his political work has been built around zero-sum dominance games. He really ought to be able to understand what’s happening when he’s on the losing side of one of them.
Amir Khalid
Words failed me months ago when it came to reacting to Trump and the many many ways he shows his unfitness to be President.
@Lurking Canadian:
President Nieto and Prime Minister Turnbull don’t just have the transcripts, they also have plenty of reason to slap Trump down. He is making preposterous demands on their nations and proposing to break important American commitments for no real reason. Trump is going to spend the remainder of his time on office getting slapped down by one national leader after another for his cluelessness and petulance. It’s not going to be pretty.
And the next person in the Oval Office will have a hell of a cleanup job to do. Let’s pray to the FSM that it will not be Mike Pence. Pence is too dim to understand what he must do or how to do it.
Kay
Imagine how much the people who work with him hate him to keep leaking this stuff. They loathe him too.
He was right to hire his unqualified and otherwise- unemployable family members. No one else he hires is loyal to him.
Central Planning
@eric: I understand what you’re saying, and I think it’s similar to what @Scott: wrote, and I think I do agree with you both.
However, I also see it a little like my kids who are old enough to know better go do something that is obviously wrong or bad for themselves. I certainly let them own it, but I feel bad or am embarrassed by it.
There must be a word for the feeling of having Dolt 45 as president, knowing that he will be in the history books forever, and not wanting to believe it. Godfuckmedammitshit? Sounds German.
Gin & Tonic
@Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD): Except he didn’t.
Major Major Major Major
@Kay: doing keg stands!
I agree, even more satisfying than seeing Yertle’s face is the knowledge that Ryan failed in his lifelong quest to destroy the safety net, for now.
Omnes Omnibus
@Kay: I am not a part of the is “we” you mention. Are you?
GregB
As a citizen of NH, I am looking forward to laughing in a lot of faces.
What a fucking human trash fire.
A liar and a buffoon who suckered a whole bunch of gullible rubes.
Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD)
@Central Planning: “clustermotherwhatintheactualfuckery”
MJS
“The press is going to go with that, and I cannot live with that.” If only that had turned out to be true (both “the press is going to go with that” and his inability to actually live after they did).
Gin & Tonic
@eric: Barely OT, but this is actually a very good and enjoyable book.
Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD)
@Major Major Major Major: mobile.twitter.com/x_t_pd/status/890938372017070085/photo/1
LAO
I saw an awesome tweet last night, that I will never find again —
MAGA — “Morons Are Governing America”
Kay
Hah! That never occurred to me. I’m amused that Trump campaign and Putin and Wikileaks saw the Access Hollywood tape as so damaging. It was gross that tape but Trump has done tons of other stuff that is worse and it’s all public.
Trump supporters wouldn’t have cared about the tape. They had already excused tens of things that should have made Trump unelectable.
A Ghost To Most
@LAO: more like Morons are Gutting America.
LAO
@GregB: So it’s not true, I shouldn’t plan on packing up and moving to NH for personal and professional reasons. Man, that’s disappointing. My dog really would have loved it.
ET: I really need to read before hitting comment.
LAO
@A Ghost To Most: Hat tip, to you.
Amir Khalid
Balloon Juice is taking a day and a half to load. What’s going on?
Major Major Major Major
@LAO: California’s nice this time of history.
eric
@Central Planning: I was not being critical of you. It is a sentiment I hear a lot. I dont think there is an English word for it. #FuckHim
Kay
Imagine how corrupt the Trump Administration bidding/procurement process is for that wall. They may as well just seat the grand jury right now and start demanding documents. The sleazy con men are probably lining up to get a piece of the action.
He’ll be delivering public money to cronies on pallets.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Kay: Chris Hayes observed last week that we’ve seen one email (chain) from the trump campaign, and that was “almost comically incriminating”. Given how easy it was for “some dude with and iPhone” to scam the Mooch and another trump staffer by email– Eric of all people clued in faster than they did– how credible is it that Putin– and, let’s hope, Mueller– doesn’t have more, and more damning, information.
eric
@Gin & Tonic: sounds liberal…..shudder…..
thanks. will look it up
LAO
@Major Major Major Major: Paul Ryan is the biggest phony out there. The only semi-positive thing about the current political nightmare were are all living, is that maybe, just maybe, he’ll be exposed for the fraud that he is.
Also re: California, I’m too much of a east coaster, I could never survive without a real winter.
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@Kay:
Shit, look at what they were trying to do with student loan serving in the open – shrink from 9 contractors to 1. The grift would have been massive.
Central Planning
@eric: I took it as a way to re-evaluate what I was thinking. It’s all good!
James Powell
@Amir Khalid:
My biggest fear is that Trump leaves before 2018, Pence takes over, and the press/media crowns him as savior of the nation, more or less guaranteeing his re-election in 2020. They did it with Ford and if he hadn’t been so clueless as to pardon Nixon he would have served a second term.
clay
@Gin & Tonic: He might have been talking about the primary?
Of course, he also believes that busloads of people came up from Massachusetts to illegally vote in NH, so…
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@LAO: I’ve never thought he could stand up to the scrutiny of a Presidential campaign. And I believed his reluctance to take the Speaker’s chair, I think he knew that it would damage him beyond repair. And that was before trump.
I don’t know what to think of that “Problem Solvers” health care proposal, but I think bringing it to the floor would be the end of Ryan with his own caucus.
A Ghost To Most
@LAO: I never cared for Cali weather when I lived there; way too monotonous.
Colorado weather, on the other hand, is the best of any of the 8 states I’ve lived in. Not too hot, and rarely muggy,
and the winters are magnificent.
The Moar You Know
Reading the Post article. This would have destroyed any other president. One thing Red Blooded ‘Muricans won’t stand for is their president being weak, and he is as weak and pathetic as it gets. I almost find the article unbelievable because I simply don’t know anyone who’d grovel like this.
The Trumpsters will simply scream “fake news” while lying in a fetal position amidst their gun collections, and carry on doing whatever it is unemployed white losers do.
Chyron HR
So this happened literally less than a day after he signed the sanctions bill? That’s a funny coincidence. I guess we’ll never know who was responsible.
Major Major Major Major
@A Ghost To Most: Colorado weather is pretty great.
@LAO: we have plenty of places with real winters out here!
Gelfling 545
Will everyone who complained about President Obama’s so-called lack of leadership please stand up and kick him/herself in the ass? Right now, thank you.
Jeffro
@Kay:
“I’m like, you know, a smart person”
“I have the best words”
This was my main argument to RWNJ friends and relatives last fall: no one with two working brain cells talks like that.
bemused
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
He doesn’t know he is as stupid as the rubes.
LAO
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I think the real problem is, since the stabilization plan seems reasonable to me (not an expert), I expect it will never see the light of day in the House because Ryan will block it. He can’t be oblivious to the (personal) threat a bipartisan plan would engender. So, unless something drastic were to happen, I just don’t see him scheduling any sort of vote on a compromise.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
“I am the world’s greatest person.”
Oh my god…
Somebody please help us!
I mean who the fuck says that?
Gelfling 545
@Major Major Major Major: SurelyTrump would have an additional charge, just because he’s his inimitable (thank dog!) self.
sherparick
@eric: It is amazing how Conservatives engage in a conscience project to turn themselves into morons or at least someone trying to reduce their knowledge back to 1400. They are clever about entertainment, psychological manipulation, and political dirty tricks. But otherwise they just want to believe in their illusions and in taking all the money.
LAO
I was just sitting here thinking of all those articles I read yesterday (was it really just yesterday?) about how the new chief of staff was really whipping the WH into shape. Ah, the good old days. Can’t fix a sieve — it’s meant to leak.
JPL
I want to read the transcript between Putin and Trump.
Peale
@Kay: Nope. I want them to try to build the wall because it is expensive and a disaster. The GOP is in control so its not like they’re going to fund public education any time soon.
Peale
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: Well, ironically, since none of the greatest people would ever say that about themselves, the great people leave a marketing vacuum for shitheels like Trump to fill with their “brand” of greatness.
Gelfling 545
@Amir Khalid: Better Pence than Ryan. Not much, but still. Pence would be unlikely to win a term of his own. Ryan could be a danger. Just a better spoken sociopath.
Elmo
@A Ghost To Most: Mammoth Lakes, California. Elev. 7800′ – 8200′ (appx). When it isn’t actually snowing or having an afternoon pop-up thunderstorm in summer, the days are bright and sunny. Average 350″ of snow, but rarely bitter cold. 85 degrees in summer with 13% humidity is a heat wave – most summer days top out in the 70’s.
Ye GODS, but I miss it so.
Amir Khalid
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:
Someone who doesn’t realise it’s not true.
PVDMichael
Rasmussen – which generally uses a slightly Republican-heavy sample – reports that the number of people who “strongly support” Trump is at an all-time low – 23%.
me
@Fester Addams: Apparently, “incoherent jibberish” is though.
chopper
what a goddamned schmuck.
Roger Moore
@LAO:
We have real winters in California! It’s just that what defines winter here is different from what defines it on the East Coast.
rp
Did this come from Priebus? He must have had access to the transcripts.
This could hurt him more than the Russia stuff because it’s harder for the base to spin. He just looks weak and pathetic.
bemused
What a nightmare. It’s not that each revelation re: Trump is a surprise. These transcripts aren’t surprising but every time it’s a gut punch.
May his blood pressure be a continual 30 points higher than mine is right now.
randy khan
@PVDMichael:
I’m watching Trump’s support among Republicans. The last poll I saw had him at 76%, which sounds high but is about 10% off where it was in January. (And “strong support” is down more.)
A Ghost To Most
@Elmo: Mammoth sounds wonderful. I lived in Sunnyvale, where the weather changed only twice a year; it stops raining in March/April, and then doesn’t rain until November, when it starts raining and doesn’t stop until March. For a lot of people, that probably sounds great.
Maryland weather, on the other hand, was nasty, hot, and humid, with wimpy winters. I don’t miss that at all.
LAO
@Roger Moore: I know, I know! I probably should have added that I’m an unbearably snotty New Yorker.
rp
@randy khan: Also, check out the party ID numbers in that Q poll. Only 23% identified as republicans, with 33% Dems.
Gin & Tonic
@LAO: I think the regulars already know that.
gene108
@LAO:
This was probably leaked before Kelly took over. Credible news outlets usually spend sometime verifying the credibility of the info people give them, which takes some time.
LAO
@Gin & Tonic: Fair enough.
Mike in DC
@randy khan:
He’s coming down, bit by bit. I expect his floor with Republicans to be around 40-50%. Nixon still had 50% Republican support at the end. The lower he goes with R voters, the more “courageous” establishment Republicans will get. Keep in mind, even if we flip the House, we’re going to need at least 15-20 Republican senators to hop aboard the impeachment express.
Roger Moore
@randy khan:
And this overstates his popularity among the Republican coalition because some people express their disapproval by giving up their Republican identification. It would be very interesting to look at one of those polls that follows the same people over long periods to see how many people who reported voting for Trump have now given up on him.
Immanentize
@LAO: That is my favorite kind!
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@LAO: @gene108: I think it was David Cay Johnston who made the point last night that Kelly may be able to convince trump withhold a few tweets (the blame Congress for Russia one suggests the dam is straining…) but those stupid thoughts are festering in the fetid oatmeal of his brain whether he tweets or not, and he talks on the phone a lot, to people who tell him what he wants to hear, and I’m sure he’s still watching Fox & Friends, keeping that oatmeal bubbling like the witches’ cauldron in MacBeth
Betty Cracker
@eric: I wish the original didn’t accurately capture how I feel, but it does. We don’t all suck, obviously, but enough of us do to let…THAT happen.
Kay
@Peale:
It will be a disaster. I read that they’re making unrealistic time demands on contractors already, because it’s a political schedule, not a construction schedule.
That’s too sweet,right? That the “builder’s” spite wall becomes a sort of symbol of how incompetent he is? I feel like it’s almost guaranteed.
We had a Tea Party contingent take over city government for a brief period around 2010. They stopped renovation of a new building for the sheriff’s department because they’re dopes who don’t understand anything and they wanted to preen on their frugality. The building sat there,half finished. and sustained water damage. The local paper did a piece where birds were nesting in it.
They all lost their seats in the next election. It became such a symbol of “the Tea Party” it was all anyone asked them about.
I feel like I can see the Trump wall photos already. Stacks of materials, rebar rusting, lawsuits from contractors :)
clay
@rp: I don’t think it’s Priebus. The Post states the transcripts were “produced by White House staff,” which implies a) more than one person who b) currently works there.
The Post later states that the transcripts were classified by Gen. Kellogg, and haven’t been unclassified, so this seems like a rare case of an actual illegal leak. (I am not a lawyer.)
The Mexican call is the most immediately embarrassing, but the Australian call is pretty bad, too. And not just because Trump was a raging asshole to one of our strongest allies. But also because it’s clear that he had no clue as to anything they were discussing. He thought that the refugees the US agreed to accept were prisoners and criminals .
It’s been pretty obvious for a long time that Trump makes no distinction between legal immigrants and criminals, but to hear him state it out loud…
NotMax
There’s a Yiddish term which comes to mind.
Gantze knaker.
(Transliteration of Yiddish is always a coin toss. Pronounced more or less as GAHN-tzeh kuh-NOCK-er.)
Translates roughly as: Sarcastically and derisively, sneeringly and laughingly, saying “he’s such a big shot” (with the implication that they are anything but outside of their own mind).
Major Major Major Major
@Roger Moore: oh, wow, I’m stealing that.
LAO
@Immanentize: You are in luck. We are legion!
PS I hope today is a good day.
Matt McIrvin
@Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD): He actually lost New Hampshire, by a microscopic margin.
zhena gogolia
@eric:
That’s a good thing to remember.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@Kay:
If it’s too prying, what city was it?
eric
@Betty Cracker: I understand. Completely.
Major Major Major Major
@clay: trump thinks all refugees are prisoners and criminals, he made that quite clear during the campaign.
@Roger Moore: you could also just multiply support by identification. Maybe I’ll make a graph of this today.
Bess
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:
He’d qualify for a meaningful “small finger” discount.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@Amir Khalid: @Peale:
I just can’t even.
Something about “world’s greatest person” just scares the shit out of me.
bemused
@Kay:
I suppose it’s too much to hope the idiots were embarrassed and chastened by their debacle.
Tom65
Interesting. I didn’t think he was this self-aware.
clay
@Major Major Major Major: Yes, but in this phone call, he literally thought that Australia was taking prisoners out of their jails, and sending them to us. Turnbull had to set him straight, but I’m not sure Trump knows what the meaning of ‘refugee’ is. Like, in his mind, he hears ‘refugee’ but pictures an orange jumpsuit.
NorthLeft12
Un-effing-believable! First off, my sincerest thanks to whoever leaked these transcripts. I fully expect Deadbeat Donald to immediately start tweeting that this is more fake news, and at the same time complain about traitorous leakers.
I can’t begin to imagine any other past President speaking like this to another leader. How weak and pathetic and needy he sounds.
I sincerely hope that the actual audio of the phone calls is leaked next, so his staunch and stupid followers can hear exactly what they installed in the White House. Yeah, that broken down and seedy dump where the President is supposed to live.
NotMax
@Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe)
More scary than his “I am the one” shtick at the R convention last summer?
Same tune, different tempo.
NorthLeft12
@clay:
Well, in Deadbeat Donald’s defence, we are talking about Australia here, right?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!1!!
NotMax
Willing to risk some real folding money that he has never shouted “Fore” on the golf course.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
my recent friend from twitter, who wrote the “Axis of Evil” line that’s still fucking up the world
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@NorthLeft12:
He denied saying that the White House is a dump, for whatever his word is worth (nothing), although 8 members of his Bedminister club say otherwise.
From USA Today:
This is like Dear Leader levels of fluffing
germy
eric
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: actually, no. even by its own terms that is not true. Golf is a game of honor and you cannot be the best if you play the game without honor.
JPL
Trump has a big announcement in WV tonight. Since we can rule out that he’s not resigning, I assume he’s announcing new coal jobs. Maybe Manchin has decided to change parties and join the titanic team.
I’m still not watching though.
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@gene108:
Hence Kelly’s gatekeeping on Trump – cuts down on the potential for leaks.
Iowa Old Lady
@Mike in DC: The lingering R conviction that Nixon was railroaded is a large part of what fueled the Clinton impeachment. They wanted revenge. Given what’s happening with Trump, the next D candidate/president is going to have to be squeaky clean because HRC investigations can’t go on forever. At least I don’t think so. Hm. Maybe I’m too optimistic.
hueyplong
What if Putin created an asset out of some low life that ended up on the WH staff and got this leaked in retaliation for the sanctions bill? What if this is just step one of shit getting real?
This leak really does kind of cross a line.
germy
Matt McIrvin
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: Mr. Goldfinger likes to win.
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@Mike in DC:
I’m not worried about the Senate – too many old Cold warriors among the R caucus are pretty sick about this. The House is another story – those assholes reflect the rabid base, and the gerrymander actually magnifies the primary influence of the base.
germy
@Bess:
At least we know he couldn’t “stiff” them.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:
We’ll see how long that lasts. I still fear that Kelly could establish a good relationship with Trump (maybe because he creepily reminds Trump of his father as well as his obsession with the military) and could become de facto POTUS with all of the unaccountability that implies.
Matt McIrvin
@Mike in DC: The floor’s around 27% of the total population, as we all know. (Give or take a few percent. GWB and Nixon both got down to around 24-25% in the Gallup right at the end.)
Chris
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
I’m not sure the key thing here is “despises him & regards him as illegitimate,” so much as “is terrified of him and regards him as unstable, dangerous, and unfit in the most basic possible way.” And leaking this because they believe the public has a right to know.
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
Another query – why would Kellogg classify those? POTUS as moron isn’t a vital national secret.
Chris
@Matt McIrvin:
Goldfinger was the man. The greatest of all the Bond villains and an all-around awesome movie bad guy. It feels slanderous to compare him to Donald Trump: if he’s anyone, Trump is Whitaker from “The Living Daylights.”
(“Who?” Exactly).
david spikes
@Chris: The great deal maker doesn’t realize that to get something you have to offer something-not ; give me everything I want so I look good and you are fucked..
“I am the greatest person in the world. . . . ” what the fuck does that mean? That he’s the most powerful person in the world and can’t even stop a couple thousand refugees?
That he is literally the greatest person in the world and therefore everyone should do what he says?
“I’m the greatest.”
What is the matter with the 26% of the population that continue to support everything this fat fool does?
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:
Well, I would think that Kellog would want to limit that damage. These transcripts are really damaging
The Moar You Know
@germy: That one leaps out like a searchlight in the Nevada desert. He’s going to deny the Russian involvement forever. He knows he’s a fucking fraud who’d be sitting around harassing staff and golfing “when his batteries feel like it” until he dies if not for massive Russian help.
ericblair
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:
My experience with international diplomatic meetings is that closed door meetings are automatically classified “confidential” or the equivalent for each of the countries involved, and higher if specific national security matter is discussed. So, the staffs can get at them, but distribution is limited.
Betty Cracker
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Did you read Frum’s piece in the Atlantic about it? I don’t completely buy his thesis — IMO, Trump is enough of an existential threat that it justifies smashing previously sacred institutional norms to hobble him — but it was fairly well argued. He may be right about the thought that went into the leak, e.g., taking into account that it wouldn’t embarrass the Australian or Mexican leader, that it’s old news, etc. Whomever that leaker is, I trust in his or her sagacity more than Trump’s, that’s for sure.
Brachiator
Yep, this is the essence of Trump. What gets me is that the more he is revealed to be an empty suit, the more his most dedicated supporters cling to him.
I am also dismayed to see that conservative leaning media people also feel obliged to support Trump and to actively look for ways to explain away his inadequacies and bad decisions. And here I just don’t mean Fox News and the usual suspects in the Beltway and Big media. On local shows here, talk radio hosts are gushing over new chief of staff Kelly and how he is going to help Trump. But they gloss over the fact that Trump needs so much help because he freaking doesn’t know what he is doing.
And hell, I might as well expand this.
Every pundit show, every Sunday, should open with every host asking every Republican who appears on the air, “Trump is obviously ignorant of how the government works and unfit to serve. Why are you still supporting him and when will you move to have him resign or removed from office?”
@Chris:
That’s some cold shit. And so very true.
Frankensteinbeck
@FlipYrWhig:
The moment it becomes a transcript, anybody in the administration, including aides and house cleaners, could have it. That would require widespread incompetence among the top officials, but that fleet has sailed.
@Kay:
I do think it’s more complicated than that. Almost all of them know it won’t happen. A lot of them wish Trump never made such a stupid promise, but are bullied by their own constituency into parroting it. Conservative voters lose their SHIT when they’re not lied to. Many of them are as stupid and angry as their base and think it’s a great idea and aren’t sure why it isn’t happening. Only a few are outright conning the gullible. Ryan is certainly on that list.
Central Planning
@JPL: Maybe he’ll talk about his big win back in November?
trnc
@me: I’m genuinely surprised he added the qualifier.
Major Major Major Major
@The Moar You Know: Yep.
Bill Arnold
@Lurking Canadian:
Now that would be funny. His aggressively stochastic mental style is ideally suited for being mind-controlled. As various people including his staff and foreign leaders and others have (clearly) worked out (at least crudely), even without invoking magical mind control approaches.
JPL
@Central Planning: It would be news if he didn’t talk about it.
Merry Christmas btw
MJS
The best part of this is that if the leaking of the transcripts is illegal, then in order to pursue the leaker(s), the White House will have to admit that the transcripts are authentic, thereby undercutting the soon to be tweeted claims of “Fake News”.
Central Planning
@JPL:
Oh, that burns my atheist eyes!
Oh wait. No it doesn’t.
ETA – just joking around!
germy
@Iowa Old Lady:
The republicans will have to fall back on the old “make shit up” strategy if they can’t find anything corrupt about the next D president.
Chris
@david spikes:
I think this is how our corporate elites view themselves. Special snowflakes who think the entire world is going to fling itself at their feet. Trump is just a more extreme version than most.
@Brachiator:
And as far as this goes… I’m increasingly forced to conclude that the people who say Trump is the embodiment of his voters are right. They’re fuck-ups, who caught more breaks in life than most people but still managed to screw up their own lives (or, even if they’re doing well by most metrics, feel resentful and terrified thanks in no small part to a steady diet of the Fox Noise machine); they’re incapable of accepting responsibility because they’re oversensitive small-minded egotists; to the extent that there are external forces to blame for their problems, they’re incapable of blaming the right people because they’re cowards and know that those people are rich and powerful; and they act out all their frustrations by not only blaming other people, but specifically people that they know can’t fight back.
Of course the more Trump is revealed as an empty fuck-up, the more they’ll empathize with him. It’s what they are.
Hurling Dervish
@Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD): Yeah, he lost New Hampshire, and it’s a gorgeous state with a very low crime rate.
Brachiator
@Iowa Old Lady:
Obama was squeaky clean. The Republicans opted for obstructionism. Since Bill Clinton, or rather I should say since Newt Gingrich tried to shut down the government, the GOP always creates a new excuse for not co-operating with a Democratic president or a Democratic Party majority Congress.
trnc
@Brachiator: Yes, Obama was squeaky clean, but it didn’t stop republicans from making up crap.
Marguerite
@Betty Cracker: There’s not much Tangerine Twitler does that shocks me any more, but for him to say New Hampshire is a drug infested den is shocking!
trnc
Just imagine how Turnbull felt.
James Powell
@randy khan:
Republican voters’ support for Trump and Republicans in congress will drop, sag, etc., so long as they are not running against a Democrat. As we learned to our chagrin last year, Republican voters will support the worst available Republican over the best available Democrat. They vote their hatred, bigotry, fear, and resentment.
trnc
True, in a Congressman Joe Walsh deadbeat dad kind of way.
Bobby Thomson
@david spikes: most charitable reading: “I sold myself to these idiots as a great guy who would keep bad people out. Come on, do me a solid.”
Bobby Thomson
@James Powell: yep. Butter emails still is far too effective. Today.
Kay
When are the Trump hearings? I have to take a week off :)
Alert Mueller. I may NOT be available :)
Bobby Thomson
@Marguerite: strong words from someone obviously on nose candy.
Kay
What are we calling the Trump hearings? Iran contra was catchy. Can we put “Putin” in the title?
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@trnc:
“Kids, I know that your mom didn’t have money for you to join any clubs or teams this year, and that you had to do a staycation instead of a spring break because your mom is just a cheap bitch who took a second job to score some cheap points with the judge,while we have this fight, but I’m taking you all and my girlfriend to Disneyworld while I have you for your week with me this summer. Won’t that be fun?”
Brachiator
@Chris:
I don’t know that any of this is true. I think that your alternative explanation is more apt, that even if Trump supporters are doing well, they feel resentful.
But the thing is that these people don’t recognize or acknowledge Trump’s fuck-ups. They keep endowing him with a competence that he has never demonstrated. They began with the simplistic mantra, “he’s rich and successful, therefore he must know what he is doing.” And now there is the strange belief that “fake news” is making up stories about him, and that we should just get out of the way and give him a chance to clean up the swamp and make America great again.
SiubhanDuinne
@Bobby Thomson:
Betty Cracker makes those.
SiubhanDuinne
@Kay:
Putin on the Twits
trnc
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: I assume this is the Disneyland he took them to.
lovethesepics.com/2012/03/illegal-tour-abandoned-amusement-park-nara-dreamland-65-pics/
Uncle Cosmo
@Scott: I was about to comment that the guy who came out with the American Traveler International Apology T-shirts during the Cheney Administration needs to revive the franchise…but I see he already has.
Bobby Thomson
@JPL: payback for the Capito vote? Except a Trump never pays his debts.
rikyrah
as was reminded on another blog..
BLACK PEOPLE – YOU CANNOT DO THIS….
Couples Are Having Open Marijuana Bars At Their Weddings And People Are Into It
High on love.
Posted on August 2, 2017, at 7:51 p.m.
Serving weed at weddings is a thing now and I’m getting high just thinking about it.
Earlier this week, Bloomberg tweeted an article talking about how weed weddings are becoming very popular.
buzzfeed.com/kristatorres/couples-are-having-open-marijuana-bars-at-their-weddings?bftw&utm_ter…
Kay
Marco Rubio says his tax plan “empowers” people.
Here’s free advice for Democrats. Drop two words – “empower” and “reform”. Take them out.
Those words are ruined. Time for new ones. I hear “reform” and I just sigh. Right wingers ruin words. Luckily we have a lot.
rikyrah
Thirty years after becoming rap’s first sex symbol, LL Cool J will be the first hip-hop artist to receive Kennedy Center Honors in its 40-year history.
The rapper-turned-actor born James Todd Smith will be inducted with a prestigious 2017 class — including pop stars Gloria Estefan, Lionel Richie, television icon Norman Lear and choreographer Carmen de Lavallade – on Sunday, Dec. 3 at the Kennedy Center Opera House in Washington, D.C.
Kay
@SiubhanDuinne:
The Trump/Putin Hearings? Too obvious?
Putin/Trump, whichever :)
Kay
One of my sisters noticed that Trump bashes Obama every day but Obama hardly mentions Trump.
Raise your hand if you’re surprised at which man is a petty, whining asshole.
Small. Donald Trump is too small for such a big job.
Jay C
@Kay:
Of course: but then again, this IS the Trump “Administration”: immigrant-bashing (especially Mexican immigrant-bashing) is one the few “winning” policies these clowns have left; and if Trump and the WH keep harping on “building the wall” – or probably, more accurately: trying to fix the blame for it not happening – I think a lot of Congresscritters are going to want to have something – anything – to show the voters next November.
What I think may happen is the Admin is going to desperately cobble together a project to put “The Wall’ – even if only a couple of miles of it in some secure, easily-accessible location, and then use it as prop/photo-op for politicians who want to “show” that they’ve “secured the border” – and that only the malign influence of (Democrats/liberals/Mexican druglords/bad hombres/whoever) has prevented them from extending the Big Beautiful Wall across ALL of the border.
And sadly, it will probably work just as planned.
rikyrah
The RootVerified account @TheRoot
“Respectable” Negros such as Michael Vick and Ray Lewis can’t tell Colin Kaepernick a thing: trib.al/re0heUo
Starfish
Did Trump call New Hampshire drug infested? Did no one tell him that white working class people live there?
zhena gogolia
@rikyrah:
Oh, that’s great — but does Trump have to be there?
I loved watching those throughout the Obama years.
JMG
I’ve been spending hours since those transcripts came out trying to figure out who or what the hell Trump meant by “Local milk people.” Any ideas here. I’m half convinced he meant “cows.”
Betty Cracker
@James Powell: True, but hatred of Hillary Clinton and enthusiasm for a loud-mouthed bigot who was allegedly gonna stick it to the “elites” seem to have motivated a lot of folks who otherwise wouldn’t bother dragging their asses to the polls. I was at a family thing recently that included relatives who voted for Trump, people who were obnoxious enough to brag about the election result earlier this year, etc. They don’t have shit to say about Trump now! They won’t outright admit he’s an embarrassing failure, but their haste to change the subject betrays their true sentiments. I think it’s a good sign.
Yutsano
@Betty Cracker:
I can’t rule out someone trying to damage Turnbull here. Australia does have an election coming up I believe.
Hungry Joe
Golf is a little like tennis in that the rules require you to call penalties on yourself, even if officials (and most tennis and golf is played without officials) don’t see the infraction. If you don’t call things on yourself, e.g., “I inadvertently moved the ball when taking a practice swing” (golf), or “I touched the net” (tennis), you’re flat-out, capital-C cheating. If you’re playing golf and keeping score, self-rewarded mulligans fall in that category
(Baseball is the opposite: Act like you tagged the guy, when really you missed; pretend you caught that ball, when really you trapped it. No penalties, no shame. That’s the way the game is played … when there are officials, anyway. In pick-up games you gotta be honest or the system collapses.)
SFAW
@Amir Khalid:
There’s a traffic backup at the International Date Line. There’s only so much bandwidth it can handle, you know.
bemused
@Betty Cracker:
Good to hear! Baby steps progress.
Betty Cracker
@Yutsano: Turnbull didn’t come across badly, though. He comes off like a calm, competent person patiently explaining things to an ignorant, vainglorious asshole, so I don’t see how it would hurt him, except maybe he was TOO patient.
maurinsky
@FlipYrWhig:
It must have worked for him sometime in the past.
Everytime I hear him talk or read something he said, I wonder why on earth he hasn’t had more people shut him down over the course of his life. If I met him, I would make it my life goal to deny him everything that he wants.
Bill Arnold
Since this is an open thread, can somebody who knows Russia/Russian better than I confirm this twitter thread?
Russia’s state TV re: challenges posed by Congress forcing Trump to sign sanctions. Host concludes:”We need to elect our own U.S. Congress.”?
There are source links in her feed.
Matt McIrvin
@Chris: Joe Don Baker? I can see a resemblance…
schrodingers_cat
@Matt McIrvin: By that token he won some mid western states by a razor thin margin as well
Yutsano
@Betty Cracker: It’s hard to say how these things get perceived overseas. Maybe one of our Aussie commentators has some input?
zhena gogolia
@Bill Arnold:
She literally says “we need to elect our own Congress,” but I don’t understand the context of what she’s talking about. I don’t have time to watch the whole thing
And the word “Congress” implies the U.S.
Marguerite
@germy: Little grasshopper, the Strategy of Make Shit Up is honorable Republican standard operating procedure, or in GOP lingo Facilitating Feces Fantasy. You have much to learn, Little Grasshopper, so you must study diligently.
zhena gogolia
@Bill Arnold:
Sorry, she does say “We have to elect our own American Congress.”
Then they laugh about how silly it was that a single phone call with the Russian ambassador made us go crazy and fire the National Security director. The U.S. Congress can’t cooperate with the Russian duma because then we’d all get hysterical and fire every congressman. (Sounds good to me)
Brachiator
@Betty Cracker:
Interesting point. Trump didn’t sell any of his properties or clubs that cater to the elite, and he seems to get a huge thrill out of doing “presidential” things in their presence. He has probably bragged somewhere about memberships in his various properties increasing since he became president.
And then we have all those ignorant but rich stooges he has appointed to cabinet positions. Instead of sticking it to the elites, he seems to have turned the country over to them.
HeleninEire
@SiubhanDuinne: WIN
Brachiator
@Kay:
Congress and presidents often play political three card monte where they talk about tax reform, tax reduction and tax simplification as though any or all of these will do magical things for the average citizen.
But when the cards are turned over, it’s always tax cuts for the rich and corporations, and very little for anyone else.
schrodingers_cat
@Yutsano: They think that the United States has lost its marbles.
MCA1
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: It’s utterly meaningless, anyway. I mean, being the “best golfing president” is like winning a skinniest shopping mall Santa contest. Given the first 18 hole golf course in the United States was built in 1893, at which point Teddy Roosevelt was already 35 years old, I’d venture no president from Washington through at least McKinley played a single round of golf their entire lives. So there goes over half the group, with a bunch more who would have been playing, if at all, when the game wasn’t even popular in the U.S. and they would have taken it up in their 50’s or so. Most of the rest spent most of their adult lives doing things like, you know, winning WWII and stuff rather than golfing. Also, Obama, Clinton, Reagan, Nixon, Truman off the top of my head were born into social strata or locations well outside “would have started playing golf at a young age.”
I bet Drumpf’s played more rounds of golf prior to entering office than all other presidents combined did before entering office, times 2. At minimum, I bet he’s played two thousand rounds in his life. Probably more like three thousand.
And, anyone who is known to “take a lot of floating mulligans” is not as good of a golfer as they’d have you believe. T’s supposedly about a 3 handicap, but I’d bet dollars to donuts he wouldn’t regularly break 80 on a slightly harder than average course, call it a 73.5/138 slope rating, if he was forced to actually keep score the way you’re supposed to. He gives himself strokes while on the course, and then he enters scores even lower than that, or enters them as though he’s playing from different tees. He’s an 8 or a 9. Guarantee it.
Jay C
@MCA1:
I read in a bio that William Howard Taft was our first golfing President: he had taken up the game to get some exercise (and given Taft’s physique, the practical choice of sports was somewhat limited), and continued after he became President (thus starting a Presidential tradition). Teddy Roosevelt, exercise fiend though he was, disliked golf, thinking it silly and “unmanly” (vs. wrestling buffalo or knife-fighting grizzly bears: TR’s usual pastimes…..)
philadelphialawyer
@david spikes:
“I am the world’s greatest person that does not want to let people into the country. And now I am agreeing to take 2,000 people.”
What it means, in Trumpese, is something like “I have been the strongest proponent of immigration restriction in US politics, but if I have to honor the agreement I would be allowing 2000 refugees into the USA in one fell swoop.” With the further implication that that would make him look bad, because it is inconsistent.
As mentioned above, vocabulary, not to mention grammar and syntax, never mind eloquence or even clarity, is not Trump’s strong suit.
Look at that quote. All one or two syllable words, except for “agreeing,” and that is a two syllable word with a suffix.
It is true that Trump routinely claims to be the biggest, first, greatest and best at everything. And so the construction including the words “I am the greatest” comes naturally to him. But, in this case, I don’t actually think he is bragging about anything other than his own anti immigrant stance.
Notice too that “the world” seems to mean the USA.
philadelphialawyer
Context:
“Malcom [sic], why is this so important? I do not understand. This is going to kill me. I am the world’s greatest person that does not want to let people into the country. And now I am agreeing to take 2,000 people and I agree I can vet them, but that puts me in a bad position. It makes me look so bad and I have only been here a week.”
sm*t cl*de
@Jerzy Russian:
There is always an Oglaf for all occasions.
oglaf.com/slipperynipple/
Ithink
@philadelphialawyer:
Your explanation & analysis are SPOT on! Please comment for often?…