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You are here: Home / Past Elections / Election 2016 / Late Night Open Thread: I’m Not Sure, But I Think Putin Has Challenged the President to a Joust

Late Night Open Thread: I’m Not Sure, But I Think Putin Has Challenged the President to a Joust

by Adam L Silverman|  August 5, 201711:18 pm| 124 Comments

This post is in: Election 2016, Foreign Affairs, Open Threads, Politics, Not Normal

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I don’t speak Russian, but it seems as if Putin is planning to go all medieval on someone’s dupa.

Whoever comes to us with #sanctions, from sanctions will perish. We dedicate this video to those who try to hurt us with new sanctions! pic.twitter.com/VdoYI3mK2u

— РоссиЯ ?? (@Russia) August 2, 2017

Another lance?

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124Comments

  1. 1.

    Major Major Major Major

    August 5, 2017 at 11:21 pm

    That’s… fuckin random.

  2. 2.

    Citizen Alan

    August 5, 2017 at 11:21 pm

    I cannot imagine shitgibbon defeating Vladimir Putin in any competition of any kind except possibly a fried chicken eating contest.

  3. 3.

    Adam L Silverman

    August 5, 2017 at 11:22 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: They got into the home brew vodka again before tweeting that.

  4. 4.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 5, 2017 at 11:22 pm

    And yet.

  5. 5.

    Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD)

    August 5, 2017 at 11:26 pm

    zippitybadoolwopmichałurbaniak

  6. 6.

    Mnemosyne

    August 5, 2017 at 11:28 pm

    I didn’t realize they have Renaissance Fairs in Europe, too. Huh.

  7. 7.

    O. Felix Culpa

    August 5, 2017 at 11:30 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: What are you going to do, bleed on me?

    Happy belated birthday, from one Leo to another.

  8. 8.

    Adam L Silverman

    August 5, 2017 at 11:30 pm

    @Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD): Don’t get me started on that. Or the author of that.

  9. 9.

    Major Major Major Major

    August 5, 2017 at 11:31 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: as opposed to before every other tweet?

  10. 10.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 5, 2017 at 11:32 pm

    @O. Felix Culpa: Thanks. Yours is when?

  11. 11.

    Schlemazel

    August 5, 2017 at 11:32 pm

    @O. Felix Culpa:
    He might bite your kneecaps off

  12. 12.

    NotMax

    August 5, 2017 at 11:34 pm

    @Citizen Alan

    Would a different fowl do in a pinch? (Wait for the final punchline.)

  13. 13.

    hellslittlestangel

    August 5, 2017 at 11:34 pm

    I just have a hard time fearing a country where they rinse out and re-use condoms, and where shoe polish is considered a beverage.

  14. 14.

    O. Felix Culpa

    August 5, 2017 at 11:35 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: In a fortnight plus one day. But who’s counting?

  15. 15.

    Adam L Silverman

    August 5, 2017 at 11:35 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Da.

    Break

    How was the reunion?

  16. 16.

    Mnemosyne

    August 5, 2017 at 11:35 pm

    @Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD):

    Not getting out of the boat. But not surprised to see that GG doesn’t have a problem with Trump’s white supremacist agenda.

  17. 17.

    Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD)

    August 5, 2017 at 11:36 pm

    @hellslittlestangel: because alcohol is too expensive. As is smack.

  18. 18.

    hellslittlestangel

    August 5, 2017 at 11:37 pm

    @Mnemosyne: In Russia they don’t call it a Renaissance Fair, they call it The World Of Tomorrow.

  19. 19.

    O. Felix Culpa

    August 5, 2017 at 11:37 pm

    @Schlemazel: Not if I follow brave Sir Robin’s lead and bravely run away.

  20. 20.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 5, 2017 at 11:38 pm

    @O. Felix Culpa: From which day?

  21. 21.

    Major Major Major Major

    August 5, 2017 at 11:38 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: pretty cool, once we all remembered how our rapport went after a half hour or so.

  22. 22.

    Mike in NC

    August 5, 2017 at 11:38 pm

    Trump would easily win the biggest man-boob contest.

  23. 23.

    O. Felix Culpa

    August 5, 2017 at 11:41 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: From today (Saturday). So, the 20th.

  24. 24.

    dmsilev

    August 5, 2017 at 11:44 pm

    @Mnemosyne: If you don’t want to get out of the boat (and I don’t blame you), LG&M has a summary. Yes, it’s asinine. Which is par for the course for Greenwald these days.

  25. 25.

    Major Major Major Major

    August 5, 2017 at 11:44 pm

    @Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD): Why must you befoul the late night thread with such a link?

  26. 26.

    Keith P.

    August 5, 2017 at 11:46 pm

    I see your RenFair Russia and raise you one…TechnoViking! Your move, Russia, and don’t try any of that “Tra-la-la-la-la!” crap, either.

  27. 27.

    Mike E

    August 5, 2017 at 11:47 pm

    “We’re gonna sooo turn some pottery on yer fcuking asses!!”

  28. 28.

    Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho

    August 5, 2017 at 11:50 pm

    @O. Felix Culpa: Happy Birthdays, belated and/or otherwise, to you and Omnes, you fixed fire fellows.

  29. 29.

    O. Felix Culpa

    August 5, 2017 at 11:59 pm

    @Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho: Danke!

  30. 30.

    Another Scott

    August 6, 2017 at 12:06 am

    @hellslittlestangel: Hehe.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  31. 31.

    Major Major Major Major

    August 6, 2017 at 12:07 am

    @O. Felix Culpa: Oh, happy birthday! So many birthdays lately!

  32. 32.

    H.E.Wolf

    August 6, 2017 at 12:12 am

    A joust, eh? Do I hear the dulcet tones of a young Julie Andrews?
    “Sir Dinadan…”
    #takemetothefair

  33. 33.

    efgoldman

    August 6, 2017 at 12:12 am

    .

  34. 34.

    Amir Khalid

    August 6, 2017 at 12:14 am

    @O. Felix Culpa:
    We all need someone we can bleed on, and if you want to, you can bleed on me.

  35. 35.

    SiubhanDuinne

    August 6, 2017 at 12:17 am

    @O. Felix Culpa:

    So — Eclipse Day? (EDIT: never mind, I see it’s the 20th.)

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Today (well, the day just past) was TaMara’s birthday, but I haven’t seen her hanging around the threads. Smart woman. TaMara, if you see this, hope you had a great day!

  36. 36.

    Amir Khalid

    August 6, 2017 at 12:19 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    Take my arm, take my leg, but oh baby don’t you take my head …

    ETA: Selamat harijadi.

  37. 37.

    RandomMonster

    August 6, 2017 at 12:19 am

    WTF was that?

  38. 38.

    SiubhanDuinne

    August 6, 2017 at 12:23 am

    @H.E.Wolf:

    GUENEVERE
    You’ll disconnect him?
    SIR DINADAN
    I’ll vivisect him.
    GUENEVERE
    You’ll open-wide him?
    SIR DINADAN
    I’ll subdivide him.

    Quite possibly my favourite song from Camelot, though I can’t think of one I dislike.

  39. 39.

    Bookeater (formerly JosieJ)

    August 6, 2017 at 12:32 am

    @Citizen Alan:

    I cannot imagine shitgibbon defeating Vladimir Putin in any competition of any kind except possibly a fried chicken eating contest.

    Oh, I’m pretty sure Trump could out-stupid Putin handily.

  40. 40.

    Doug R

    August 6, 2017 at 12:37 am

    @dmsilev: GG is such an ass.

  41. 41.

    H.E.Wolf

    August 6, 2017 at 12:45 am

    @SiubhanDuinne:
    I’m awfully fond of it too! Especially Sir Sagramore.

    SIR SAGRAMORE
    I beg of you, ma’am, withhold your invitation.
    I swear to you this challenge will be met.
    And when I have finished up the operation,
    I’ll serve him to your highness en brochette!
    GUENEVERE
    You’ll pierce right through him?
    SIR SAGRAMORE
    I’ll barbecue him!
    GUENEVERE
    A wicked thrust?
    SIR SAGRAMORE
    It will be dust to dust!
    GUENEVERE
    From fore to aft?
    SIR SAGRAMORE
    He’ll feel a draft!

    …And so to bed. Good night, all you pepys. :)

  42. 42.

    jl

    August 6, 2017 at 12:48 am

    Nice clip from the Rooskies. It was fun.; People should be proud of their heritage. What was it, a little Ivan the Moneybag chic?

    Edit: I skipped through it, but noted that the Russians have a sword dance too. Trump better get in on one when he visits.

    Edit2: Except the Russian sword dance seems to take skill, and is done by hot chics instead of fat old oil billionaires. But maybe a special edition oligarch sword dance for Trump? We know the weird demands he makes for state visits abroad. He’ll need to do the same for Russia. Or, “I’m puppet! You’re the puppet!” time.

  43. 43.

    Suzanne

    August 6, 2017 at 12:49 am

    Happy birthday to all the birthday girls and boys. I raise a martini to you all and best wishes for a great year.

  44. 44.

    Suzanne

    August 6, 2017 at 12:55 am

    Stressful day clothes shopping with Spawn the Elder. I came home, spooned the dog, had a martini, and am now listening to Dire Straits. Le sigh.

    Please remind me that I will survive.

  45. 45.

    Mnemosyne

    August 6, 2017 at 12:56 am

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    You know who else says that Camelot is their favorite cast album?

    No, not Hitler. ?

  46. 46.

    Ajabu

    August 6, 2017 at 12:57 am

    @Suzanne:
    Thank you. August 6th is, in fact my birthday. As well as Jamaican Indepence Day (which my relatives constantly remind me of)
    Trust me, it isn’t much fun becoming an (even more) elderly jazz musician.
    If I had made a more sensible choice of parents ($$$$$$) I probably wouldn’t have to work till I die.
    Oh, well…

  47. 47.

    Roger Moore

    August 6, 2017 at 12:57 am

    @Suzanne:
    You will survive

  48. 48.

    Mnemosyne

    August 6, 2017 at 12:57 am

    @Suzanne:

    You will survive. You’ll even have a good relationship with your Spawn again. But you both have to get through adolescence first.

    Have another martini. ? You’re gonna need it.

  49. 49.

    SiubhanDuinne

    August 6, 2017 at 1:02 am

    @Mnemosyne:

    You know who else says that Camelot is their favorite cast album?

    I did not know that ?

  50. 50.

    Jay S

    August 6, 2017 at 1:05 am

    Shirley you joust!

  51. 51.

    Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.)

    August 6, 2017 at 1:05 am

    ¿Que signífica “dupa”?

  52. 52.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 6, 2017 at 1:08 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: It’s only a flesh wound.

  53. 53.

    Suzanne

    August 6, 2017 at 1:09 am

    Now I am listening to “Stigmata” by Ministry, which is pissing off Mr. Suzanne but WHATEVER.

  54. 54.

    Suzanne

    August 6, 2017 at 1:11 am

    YOU RUN OUT OF LIIIIIIIIIIIIIESSSSSS!!!

  55. 55.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 6, 2017 at 1:13 am

    @Suzanne: Not sure what that is(kids these days…) but Dire Straits sounded fine.

  56. 56.

    sm*t cl*de

    August 6, 2017 at 1:14 am

    @hellslittlestangel:

    where shoe polish is considered a beverage.

    In Latvia it is considered a liqueur. [Riga Black Balsam libel].

  57. 57.

    Mnemosyne

    August 6, 2017 at 1:15 am

    @dmsilev:

    I not only LOLed at this line from LGM, I insisted on reading it aloud for G to hear:

    My God. He‘s one white board and pack of erasable markers from Full Glenn Beckhood, and this is only the lede.

    Also, I now know why certain idiot trolls here insist that “neoliberal” means “new liberal.” Their hero is under the same mistaken impression that he actually understands the word without having to look it up.

  58. 58.

    Comrade Colette Collaboratrice

    August 6, 2017 at 1:15 am

    @Roger Moore: There’s always room for Cake.

  59. 59.

    Suzanne

    August 6, 2017 at 1:17 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Um, Ministry is old people music at this point. That album came out in 1987 or 88. I was in first grade. Needless to say, I discovered it a few years later.

  60. 60.

    NotMax

    August 6, 2017 at 1:20 am

    @Mnemosyne

    You know who else says that Camelot is their favorite cast album?

    The guy in charge of parking the camels?

  61. 61.

    Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD)

    August 6, 2017 at 1:23 am

    @Mnemosyne: That, or they have their prefix meanings mixed up such that they think “neo-” and “pseudo-” are synonymous – which experience indicates is the dominant usage.

  62. 62.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 6, 2017 at 1:24 am

    @Suzanne: Hmmmm, old people… I met my wife in 1987. I was already out of grad school and working for Satan.

  63. 63.

    Frankensteinbeck

    August 6, 2017 at 1:26 am

    @Mnemosyne:
    From what I’ve seen, Lefties know what ‘neoliberal’ means. The derangement is that they believe conventional Democratic policy preferences are neoliberal. In their bizarro world, we think banks should be unregulated and insurance companies should be set free so the all-powerful Market will fix things.

  64. 64.

    Suzanne

    August 6, 2017 at 1:26 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: You should listen to Ministry sometime. They are especially good for working out or righteous indignation.

  65. 65.

    Roger Moore

    August 6, 2017 at 1:27 am

    @Mnemosyne:
    I don’t think they actually care what “neoliberal” means. It’s an epithet to mean they’re a sellout to the left. It doesn’t have to mean anything more than that to them.

  66. 66.

    Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD)

    August 6, 2017 at 1:27 am

    @Frankensteinbeck: “Lefties”

  67. 67.

    Mnemosyne

    August 6, 2017 at 1:28 am

    For the cat people: a feral cat love story.

  68. 68.

    Mnemosyne

    August 6, 2017 at 1:30 am

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    Except that he sneeringly pairs it with “neoconservative.” I think Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD) is correct — GG thinks that the “neo” and “pseudo” prefixes are synonyms. Because he’s a fucking moron.

  69. 69.

    Frankensteinbeck

    August 6, 2017 at 1:40 am

    @Mnemosyne:
    My impression was that he was referring to Republicans as ‘neoconservative.’ It’s a rhetorical device to imply that we must be neoliberals because putting the words neoliberal and neoconservative side by side sounds clever. That in turn supports his underlying premise that both parties are partners in a warmongering oligarchy, all without making an actual argument to attract refutation.

  70. 70.

    joel hanes

    August 6, 2017 at 1:47 am

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.):

    Que signífica “dupa”?

    Ягодицуи

  71. 71.

    Major Major Major Major

    August 6, 2017 at 1:48 am

    God am I sick of liberals’ and lefties’ ongoing slapfight over who’s the real bunch of priveleged, out-of-touch tools. And fuck people like Greenwald for stirring shit, and fuck his Russian paymasters for finding such an easy wedge.

  72. 72.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 6, 2017 at 1:48 am

    @Suzanne: Nah, Lennon works just fine.

  73. 73.

    GregB

    August 6, 2017 at 1:57 am

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Greenwald is a really horribly corrisive presence on the body politic.

    One can assume if The Intercept were around in Germany in the 1930’s there would have been an endless number of articles attacking trade unionist, Communists and Jewish German’s for being such divisive forces.

  74. 74.

    Mnemosyne

    August 6, 2017 at 1:58 am

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    Right — instead of saying “pseudo-liberals and pseudo-conservatives,” he says “neoliberals and neoconservatives” to mean the same thing. Except those phrases don’t mean the same thing, and he looks like a moron every time he insists they do.

  75. 75.

    Major Major Major Major

    August 6, 2017 at 2:01 am

    @GregB: Yeah, he’s… ugh. Anyway, that’s why I’m not really participating in the thread

  76. 76.

    Mnemosyne

    August 6, 2017 at 2:02 am

    @Major Major Major Major:

    I think the only people who don’t agree that the overprivileged tools are the white dudes claiming they’re totally oppressed by evil SJWs are white dudes.

  77. 77.

    Major Major Major Major

    August 6, 2017 at 2:08 am

    @Mnemosyne: Unless somebody doesn’t want to work together for a common goal I don’t care any more.

  78. 78.

    Mnemosyne

    August 6, 2017 at 2:11 am

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Fair enough. Apparently my disjointed explanation of my villain’s evil plot in my novel was clear enough to someone else in today’s writer’s group that I think it’s reasonably solid. Now I need to sit down and actually do the beats for that part of the plot, even though some of them will happen off-screen, so to speak.

  79. 79.

    Major Major Major Major

    August 6, 2017 at 2:26 am

    @Mnemosyne: Ah, well that’s great news! I try to keep my plots relatively simple since I seem to have a Pratchettesque sense of causality.

  80. 80.

    Origuy

    August 6, 2017 at 2:35 am

    Dupa is Polish for ass, apparently. Joel hanes translated it into Russian as “Ягодицуи”, yagodetsue, but that means buttocks. A better translation is жопа, xhopa, which translates as ass.

  81. 81.

    Mnemosyne

    August 6, 2017 at 2:39 am

    @Major Major Major Major:

    It’s the curse of trying to write historical fiction that’s at least plausibly based in history. Or, as the author of a fantasy romance whose plot revolved around the history of the abolitionist movement in England put it in the preface of that book:

    A special thanks to Patricia Rice and Susan King, who have had to endure my pleas that if I ever again express an interest in writing a book based on a social movement, they should haul out the Salmon of Correction and hit me.

  82. 82.

    Amir Khalid

    August 6, 2017 at 2:44 am

    To better understand what the Girl and I are trying to achieve, I have found a website that teaches music theory. This stuff is fascinating. Damn, I wish I’d learned it as a kid.

  83. 83.

    Major Major Major Major

    August 6, 2017 at 2:53 am

    @Mnemosyne: Yeah, I just tell myself I have to make at least as much sense as Carl Hiaasen.

  84. 84.

    Mnemosyne

    August 6, 2017 at 2:57 am

    @Major Major Major Major:

    That’s from an author who’s been winning awards and getting on the NYT bestseller list for 25 years. It makes me feel better about my own struggles as a newbie.

  85. 85.

    Amir Khalid

    August 6, 2017 at 3:09 am

    @Mnemosyne:
    Wonderful! Is this going to be one of those novels where the bad guy is the narrator/character who provides the reader’s point of view?

    Just don’t forget us, your fellow jackals, when you’ve become the next JK Rowling.

  86. 86.

    joel hanes

    August 6, 2017 at 3:36 am

    @Origuy:

    but that means buttocks

    Idiomatically.

    I was told that literally it’s “little strawberries”.

  87. 87.

    joel hanes

    August 6, 2017 at 3:42 am

    removed duplicate

    posting comments is _really_ unresponsive just now

  88. 88.

    piratedan

    August 6, 2017 at 3:44 am

    the hardest part of all of this is what we see happening…

    the Trump guys… this is just so far what they’ve already publicly outed themselves doing:

    Perjury – Sessions, Flynn, Manafort, Kushner
    Obstruction of Justice – Trump himself, and who knows how many in his administration are also guilty of this…

    what has been alluded to
    Conspiracy – Pretty much the entire Trump team and quite possibly the entire GOP leadership, maybe even involving RW media in coordinating and preparing spin of news before being fed said news by outside national agencies
    Fraud – campaign contributions from outside agencies into multiple GOP coffer, including the national party and several candidates from the President down to Congressional races
    Election tampering – use of data and money to hack voting lists and develop specific targeting strategies to discourage and disenfranchise voters
    Treason – direct coordination of political attacks on Democrats, using Russian money and intelligence to directly influence the outcome of the election for certain benefits if elected.

    The fact that no one in the national network media is making the leap regarding the above even with the mounting information from sources within the GOP exposing/admitting that despite all of the bread crumbs dropped that there is no speculation offered, especially in comparison to everyone being free to speculate what the possibility of incrimination with Clinton’s e-mails, despite multiple investigations showing essentially that there was zero there for them to prosecute.

  89. 89.

    Shalimar

    August 6, 2017 at 3:47 am

    @Roger Moore: Yeah, I think it is important that neoliberal not actually mean anything. It is a label to identify the other so you can exclude them.

  90. 90.

    fuckwit

    August 6, 2017 at 4:20 am

    @piratedan: It’ll be the money laundering that gets them though. Tax evasion, money laundering, possibly campaign finance violations.

  91. 91.

    Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD)

    August 6, 2017 at 4:24 am

    @Mnemosyne: I should add that the “pseudo”/”neo” conflation is pretty much only applied to the Democrats – they recognize neoconservatives as the real deal.

  92. 92.

    J R in WV

    August 6, 2017 at 6:03 am

    @Amir Khalid:

    OH, that’s terrific. I’ll look into that site too… I play piano, my teacher saw that I was going to do well with etudes and asked if I would rather learn fundamentals of how to learn the structure of songs and improvise around that. He wrote arrangements for big bands and night club dance bands, which I learned about.

  93. 93.

    Frankensteinbeck

    August 6, 2017 at 6:27 am

    @fuckwit:
    I’m looking forward to Jr being caught committing perjury repeatedly when he answers his subpoena for the Russia meeting.

  94. 94.

    lowtechcyclist

    August 6, 2017 at 6:59 am

    If Trump can take a 17-day paid vacation, so should everyone else. Call your Congresscritters!

  95. 95.

    Bex

    August 6, 2017 at 7:08 am

    @Mnemosyne: Have you seen the story of Grandpa Mason on Tinykittens?

  96. 96.

    Amir Khalid

    August 6, 2017 at 7:11 am

    @lowtechcyclist:
    Considering how little actual work Trump does as President, I’m wondering how to tell Trump-on-vacay from Trump-on-the-job.

  97. 97.

    satby

    August 6, 2017 at 7:17 am

    @Ajabu: I was aslee p for the night thread, but today is the 6th, so a very Happy Birthday ??? to you Ajabu! Many, many more!

  98. 98.

    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism

    August 6, 2017 at 7:39 am

    @Mnemosyne: Wait, what? I haven’t heard anyone else mention the Salmon of Correction in years.

    *googles* Huh. I wonder what her nym was?

  99. 99.

    Sab

    August 6, 2017 at 7:57 am

    @Amir Khalid: He is not in DC, he is making life miserable for some Republican town that voted for him, in New Jersey or Florida or somewhere.

  100. 100.

    OGLiberal

    August 6, 2017 at 7:58 am

    @Suzanne: I saw that live during Lolapallooza ’92. Al Jourgensen was in a 10-gallon hat swigging on a fifth of Jack. Projected behind him was a video of somebody getting eye surgery.

    Hung out with after the show and he told us his uncle was one of the Cubans who killed Kennedy.

  101. 101.

    randy khan

    August 6, 2017 at 8:17 am

    @Sab:

    It’s in New Jersey. He did win there, but only by 8 votes out of a bit less than 4,700 cast (and just with a plurality – most people there voted for somebody else).

  102. 102.

    Barbara

    August 6, 2017 at 8:24 am

    Late to the party, but if you have not read the Atlantic piece on the firing of an NSC staffer named Higgins over a memo he wrote that reads like a paranoid screed from a Hitler wannabee, and I have no other way to describe it, you should. The memo is unintelligible, something like liberals taking down America by using Maoist alternative state tactics. As a Jewish friend of mine once said, I only wish we had as much power as conspiracy theorists think we do. But the sick answer is, any amount of power is way too much for these fascists to endure.

  103. 103.

    JWR

    August 6, 2017 at 8:25 am

    @Amir Khalid: If you’re stlll around…

    While my theory is nearly nonexistent, I would highly recommend a maybe still available paperback called Chord Chemistry by Ted Greene. His very brief description of the Major Scale, along with its Intevals, (bolded for a reason), led to my learning a lot about what I’d been doing, either right or wrong, (or just for my own entertainment), for years, and opened up a whole new world of ideas for me.

  104. 104.

    Matt

    August 6, 2017 at 8:25 am

    The funniest part of the sanctions thing is that it seems like Vlad et al are just starting to realize that – just like always – little Donnie is going to fuck them over hard because he’s a liar who can’t deliver.

  105. 105.

    Barbara

    August 6, 2017 at 8:31 am

    @Matt: Not necessarily even a liar, just someone who can’t deliver on anything that doesn’t depend on selling the rights to his name.

  106. 106.

    Applejinx

    August 6, 2017 at 8:32 am

    @Roger Moore:

    I don’t think they actually care what “neoliberal” means. It’s an epithet to mean they’re a sellout to the left. It doesn’t have to mean anything more than that to them.

    In fairness, if it’s a criticism of a mainstream economic narrative and you’re determined to insist that it’s not a narrative, but simply the way reality is and will forever be constructed, then the safest course for you is to deny there is even a criticism or narrative and insist anyone making such criticisms is hearing ‘blah blah Ginger blah’ and doesn’t understand anything you’re saying. Hence, taking a key passionately argued point of policy difference and saying ‘they don’t even care what it means, they don’t know what they’re even saying, it’s meaningless mouth noises’.

    This does not win votes. That could prove to be a problem. I’m going to tactfully (I hope) suggest that this approach to economic criticism is a bad strategy and you should rethink it: or, if you’re convinced there IS no other economic policy view and are sincere in thinking your balky allies are retarded children who neither understand nor mean what they say, you should rethink being involved in politics, which is an art of persuasion, identification, and assimilation.

    I hope that was a civilized way to put it. This thread showed me kittens. I can’t be too angry in a thread that showed me kittens ;)

  107. 107.

    Barbara

    August 6, 2017 at 8:40 am

    @Applejinx: In fairness I think less than 5% of the population understands neoliberal as an economic concept. Therefore, given the way Greenwald used the terms it is less than clear that you are right either in the narrow or broader context of your comment.

  108. 108.

    debbie

    August 6, 2017 at 8:40 am

    @Barbara:

    As a Jewish friend of mine once said, I only wish we had as much power as conspiracy theorists think we do.

    Try and prove that to them. It can’t be done.

  109. 109.

    zhena gogolia

    August 6, 2017 at 8:52 am

    Although the people in that video look kind of sweet and normal, the soundtrack that has been put on the video is Alisa, “Sky of the Slavs,” and it’s some nationalist claptrap. Here’s what Wikipedia says about the band’s leader: “Kinchev was baptized in 1992 after a series of concerts in Jerusalem, and since then Christianity has been the main influence on his direction and his lyrics. Although early Alisa lyrics were typical for Russian rock – social protest and rock ‘n’ roll hype – since the late 1990s their main theme has been ideas of Christianity, as well as Russian patriotism and nationalism. Konstantin is in good relations with the priests of the Russian Orthodox Church, especially Andrey Kuraev. The band has participated in many religion-supporting festivals, such as Musicians for the Christ Savior Cathedral. Kinchev’s fairly conservative religious-patriotic shift was viewed unfavourably by some old fans that liked Alisa for their original ‘rock’ message. Still others are put off by his antisemitism – among other things, he has referred to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as a credible source.”

  110. 110.

    Ramalama

    August 6, 2017 at 8:53 am

    I seem to recall many years ago (maybe not so many?) when military hawks claimed, sneered, about how sanctions weren’t all that effective. There’s nothing in particular that comes to mind so it seems to me that this thinking was widespread.

    But this Putin angling over sanctions – all this effort – shows otherwise. He really hates sanctions.

    Has any newsy person gone into detail / questioned hawks on tv, radio, newspapers about this? I don’t follow news as much as I used to because I spent myself in the run up to the election. A very good friend of mine who is no dumb ass wanted Trump elected.

    He: “as a floor trader (NY) there’s no way Hillary did those deals legally.”
    me: “you mean WHITEWATER?!”
    He: “and other deals.”
    Me: “because she was so powerful? In hick state Arkansas?”
    He: “she had help.”
    Me: “like with Ken Starr? You think if he’d been able to find anything on those deals he wouldn’t have paraded any facts …along with the Monica sex stuff on the front pages of everyone’s newspapers?”
    He: “you’re biased.”

    Many convos over this. I just broke. I don’t speak to the friend about our dear leader. And I can’t even read through my copy of the New Yorker.

    But isn’t all this angling over sanctions, the sheer effort to get them removed, shouldn’t this be talked about as well as the other Russia stuff?

    And if the common cud-chewing wisdom is that there’s only so much oxygen in the room, if that’s true, then doesn’t that poke a hole into the big bubble of 24Hour news coverage?

    Oh my god. This is entirely too long, I must go drink some caffeine before hitting the post comment but..

  111. 111.

    zhena gogolia

    August 6, 2017 at 8:53 am

    @Matt:

    Donnie has delivered by degrading our country’s stature drastically in a matter of months and putting us in grave danger on a number of fronts.

  112. 112.

    Quinerly

    August 6, 2017 at 8:59 am

    Interesting piece on COS Kelly. Personally, I give it less than 6months: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-06/new-chief-of-staff-reins-in-white-house-aides-and-trump-s-tweets

  113. 113.

    Chris

    August 6, 2017 at 9:02 am

    @GregB:

    Nah. Greenwald would’ve been a communist. The type preaching “Nach Hitler, uns!” and defending the Hitler-Stalin Pact.

  114. 114.

    zhena gogolia

    August 6, 2017 at 9:02 am

    And Adam, please, in Russian it’s “zhopa,” not “dupa.” That’s Polish, man!

  115. 115.

    zhena gogolia

    August 6, 2017 at 9:04 am

    @Origuy:
    Sorry, didn’t see you beat me to it.

  116. 116.

    Florida Frog

    August 6, 2017 at 9:20 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: @Amir Khalid: Thanks! I just bookmarked the page. I am an amateur harpist and have a couple of holes my grasp of theory. It is a treat to hear how you are coming along with your girl. Thanks for including us on you journey.

  117. 117.

    Nora

    August 6, 2017 at 9:25 am

    @Quinerly: Let’s hope. My husband bet a co-worker Kelly would be out before the end of a month. I’d like to see him win that one.

  118. 118.

    rikyrah

    August 6, 2017 at 9:42 am

    @O. Felix Culpa:
    Happy Birthday ??????

  119. 119.

    GHayduke

    August 6, 2017 at 10:22 am

    @Mnemosyne: Greenwald is an asshole. Always has been. I’ll be taking apologies from anybody who ever defended him, or Asange, or Snowden.

  120. 120.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    August 6, 2017 at 10:37 am

    Speaking as an SCA fighter, if the Russians come at us with that crappy shield work in the video, we don’t have much to worry about.

  121. 121.

    Matt McIrvin

    August 6, 2017 at 10:54 am

    @Frankensteinbeck: “Neo-” as a political prefix also has vaguely sinister associations because of “neo-Nazi”.

  122. 122.

    Another Scott

    August 6, 2017 at 12:04 pm

    @Barbara: Thanks for the pointer. I missed reading it earlier.

    TheAtlantic is kind of a weird publication. They’ve got some great writers (e.g., TNC), but they also have some people with monstrous history (e.g., Frum). I feel guilty supporting what I like about the place…

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  123. 123.

    Origuy

    August 6, 2017 at 1:31 pm

    @zhena gogolia: нет проблем. (Yes, i know that’s not grammatically correct.) My Russian isn’t good enough to understand the lyrics in that video. What was that all about?

  124. 124.

    Vhh

    August 6, 2017 at 5:31 pm

    The line about “he who comes with sanctions..” is a paraphrase of the famous quote from St. Aleksandr Nevsky (voted greatest Russian of the millenium): “He who comes with a sword shall perish by the sword.” Heavy patriotic symbolism there, also adopted by Stalin in WWII.

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