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Nazi trash parading through Charlottesville, Virginia earlier tonight:

I’m with Indy:

Makes my blood boil to see these vile scumbags on parade. It’s not like we didn’t know they were around. They’ve always been around. But now they’re strutting through the streets, emboldened by fellow travelers in the White House.

Here’s a slogan for the Democratic Party: “Make Nazis Slither Back Under Their Fucking Rocks Again.”

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  1. 1.

    Amaranthine RBG

    I normally think these guys are more lame and ridiculous than anything else, but there was something about that video that was just chilling

  2. 2.

    trollhattan

    Takes me back to the campaign when I kept hearing R voters lamenting the obvious oppression of “political correctness.” Looks like the oppression mantle has been lifted and their freak flags be flyin’.

    Just fvcking great.

  6. 6.

    ruemara

    I told people that they didn’t understand what was going on and what has been enabled. I’m scared. And I don’t think “the left” will stop navel gazing and fighting over the scraps of power and ego soon enough to make a difference. Thanks a fucking lot, America.

  7. 7.

    seaboogie

    Amen, Sister! I am so over this shit. I hate that I wake up to check twitter to see what T has just said. It’s a crappy way to start the day…

  8. 8.

    Honus

    @lamh36: my office is in a two-story house half a block from the park where the rally will be tomorrow. The judge that granted the injunction to keep it there didn’t consider the safety and security of the neighborhood at all. The right to spout racist rhetoric directly under a statue of Robert e lee trumped that.

  9. 9.

    Comrade Colette Collaboratrice

    @Major Major Major Major: Hmmm … “Make Nazis Slither Back Under Their Fucking Rocks Again While We Tax the Living Shit Out of their 1% Overlords to Educate their Ignorant Children and Pay for their Fucking Healthcare Whether They Want it or Not” doesn’t really have a ring to it. Needs more cowbell.

  10. 10.

    Eljai

    According to Chuck Todd and an assortment of pundits on NPR and cable, it’s somehow not polite to insult Trump voters. But if we don’t shame them, how will they ever learn? It’s not enough to unfriend them on the book of faces, or to quietly change the subject. They must be shunned, ostracized, held in contempt, and made to wear sackcloth until they atone for enabling this evil bullshit.

  11. 11.

    Betty Cracker

    @ruemara: It is scary. Someone on Twitter pointed out that at least the scumbags did us the favor of underscoring the link between neo-Nazis and Confederate flag-humpers. “Heritage Not Hate” my ass.

  15. 15.

    GregB

    We tried to tell people that Trump was uncorking the genie bottle. Still today I saw a tweet from Max Blumenthal with a pathetic “but Hillary” whiney excuse angle.

    Fuck these Nazis.

  17. 17.

    NotMax

    Will they be chagrined to discover that marching counter-clockwise really fast doesn’t turn back time.

  18. 18.

    MomSense

    I fell asleep really early and then woke up 5 hours later and there were Nazis with torches marching on UVA and surrounding a church. I thought I was dreaming.

    Why were they allowed to do this by the city? And why were they allowed to do this at UVA?

  19. 19.

    lamh36

    All elective surgery cases including for people with cancer were cancelled at the huge UVA hospital today. Thanks KKK. #Charlottesville

    UVA is out but this is a city that is 20% AA…imagine being that 20% tonight and tomorrow for the “big” rally tomorrow

  21. 21.

    NotMax

    Refused to click on any of them, but a few Google searches using words or terms with which I will not pollute this place by repeating turned up a number of sites beginning with “alt-right” or “altright” and with a “.ru” ending in the URLs.

  23. 23.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    via UVa graduate Jamelle Bouie’s twitter feed:

    Joe Heim‏Verified account JoeHeim
    Now gathering around statue of Thomas Jefferson. Chanting ‘white lives matter!’

  24. 24.

    lamh36

    And right on cue David Duke chimes in…i’m going to bed…GO FUQ YOURSELF DAVE!!!

    This is only the beginning, believe me – Whitey is done being pushed around by Marxist/Anarchist/Leftist anti-White scum, time for pushback!

  26. 26.

    jl

    Down with the Doofi!

    Edit: That’s ambiguous, huh? Need to say it with the correct disapproving emphasis.

  29. 29.

    hitchhiker

    We have to show up in massive numbers to impress upon them that they are a tiny, irrelevant, ridiculous band of boobs. The press about this needs to be about the 100,000 sane people who arrived to stand up for our values. This is like the travel ban, people.

    These assholes are going to get press either way; it needs to expose the disgust the majority feels at the very sight of them.

  30. 30.

    Mnemosyne

    @MomSense:

    Because the First Amendment says they can. And honestly shit like this makes me wonder if it’s possible to have full freedom of speech in a racist country. I don’t see how anyone can look at fucking white supremacists marching with torches and surrounding a Black church and think that all we need is more speech to fix that problem.

  31. 31.

    Mnemosyne

    @hitchhiker:

    We have to show up in massive numbers to impress upon them that they are a tiny, irrelevant, ridiculous band of boobs.

    Also, this. The ONLY thing that works with these assholes is to show up to counter-protest and surround them to shout them down, preferably with mockery. Even violence works less well, tempting though it is, because violence makes them feel persecuted and self-righteous.

  36. 36.

    MomSense

    From the videos the counter protesters posted, it appears the Nazis beat them with their tiki torches, used mace, and physically removed the small group of 40 people.

  38. 38.

    jl

    Heard on news that police report says between 1,000 to 2,000 people. Was about removing statue of Robert E. Lee.
    Outnumbered counter protesters surrounded Jefferson statue. The march was sanctioned by local judge.
    That’s just what I heard on hourly news.

  39. 39.

    Mnemosyne

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    You mean when the neo-Nazis won their court case but turned tail and ran when they realized that winning their case had only pissed the locals off even more and they would be faced with a massive, jeering, spitting mob if they dared show their ugly faces in Skokie?

    That was my point, yes.

  40. 40.

    Villago Delenda Est

    “Blood and Soil” is the English translation of Blut und Boden, a Nazi catch phrase.

    They are not hiding it. These are Nazis.

  41. 41.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    A nation awash with easy to get guns…

    and pitched street battles in 2017 USA between neo-fascists and anti-fascists?
    That’s a recipe for disaster.

  42. 42.

    Mnemosyne

    @MomSense:
    @jl:

    I am on the opposite coast so there’s nothing I can do, but if the residents of Charlottesville don’t turn out in force tomorrow to surround these assholes and shout them down, they — and we — will regret it for the rest of their lives.

  44. 44.

    jl

    @Mnemosyne: News said some of the Nazi doofi punks might be up on charges for poking at the counter protesters with their tiki torches. They are loser goons and sad sacks. I agree it’s important to show them they are a sad and small deluded minority full of hate and BS.

  46. 46.

    Honus

    @jl: a federal judge from Roanoke, 100 miles south of here, issued an injunction preventing the city from moving tomorrow’s rally. This march was not addressed at that hearing. It was apparently a “spontaneous” demonstration.

  52. 52.

    Mnemosyne

    @Honus:

    a federal judge from Roanoke, 100 miles south of here, issued an injunction preventing the city from moving tomorrow’s rally. This march was not addressed at that hearing. It was apparently a “spontaneous” demonstration.

    I hope somebody knocked on that judge’s door tonight and made him watch this footage so he knows what he empowered.

  53. 53.

    MomSense

    @Peale:

    They have permits for the rally tomorrow but I don’t know that they have permits for what they did tonight. It also wasn’t peaceable.

  55. 55.

    eemom

    The scum swarmed their filth in front of the Rotunda where my daughter’s graduation began on a beautiful May morning less than 3 months ago.
    Just last Saturday we moved the last of her stuff out of the house she lived in 4th year.

  56. 56.

    Major Major Major Major

    OT: “All the cool millennials are saying “Hold my avocado”

    If you’re a young person who enjoys Snapchatting memes on the 4chans, you know that these days, all the hippest ‘net lingo moves at lightning-fast, 2400-baud speed. Fortunately, you can always log on to the cyberspace skate park that is Time Magazine’s “Viral” section, where you can Netflix what all your fellow kids are saying. Today, Time informs us, all the cool kids are saying, “Hold My Avocado.” Streaming!

    —

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: I saw some kerfuffle about that but I think I was on the train so I decided to work on my novel instead. What’d you do?

  57. 57.

    Anonymous patient

    This shit-headed nazi fascist racist crap is why we all need self-defense training with modern pistols. Because these people want to kill us, and no one will defend us but ourselves. The confederates are still among us, still think they should rule, and need to be put down like the rabid dogs they are.

  59. 59.

    lgerard

    If the people in Ferguson had only stopped at Home Depot to pick up tiki torches they would have been able to demonstrate without all that tear gas and those National Guard tanks annoying them.

  60. 60.

    TenguPhule

    @MomSense:

    it appears the Nazis beat them with their tiki torches, used mace, and physically removed the small group of 40 people.

    Someone tell me again that this is somehow all going to end peacefully.

  61. 61.

    TenguPhule

    @Anonymous patient:

    This shit-headed nazi fascist racist crap is why we all need self-defense training with modern pistols. Because these people want to kill us, and no one will defend us but ourselves.

    Hahahahaha, no.

    This is why you start making plans to evacuate from Nazi-land to allow the drones free reign.

  63. 63.

    TenguPhule

    @Mnemosyne:

    I hope somebody knocked on that judge’s door tonight and made him watch this footage so he knows what he empowered.

    He knew exactly what he was doing.

    The masks are coming off all over the place and there are an awful lot of bug eyed aliens staring back at us.

  64. 64.

    TenguPhule

    @MomSense:

    They have permits for the rally tomorrow but I don’t know that they have permits for what they did tonight. It also wasn’t peaceable.

    Could Nazi that coming.

  65. 65.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    @Major Major Major Major:
    Posted this:

    Hold my beer:
    Trump Family Values

    Trump: Are these my two scoops of ice cream, honey? (places hands on breasts)

    Ivanka: Dad, get your hands off of me! I’m your daughter, Ivanka!

    Trump: You can call me “daddy” if you like. (Tries to kiss her)

    Ivanka: Jared! Stop him!

    Jared: Are you kidding? This is turning me on!

    /The SS step in, don’t worry.

    It was kinda stupid. It was in response to TenguPhule’s response to another commenter needing brain bleach

  66. 66.

    TenguPhule

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Define ‘this’ and ‘end’ and ‘peacefully’…

    Everything.

    This whole fucking thing. FUCKING NAZIS ARE PROUDLY FUCKING MARCHING OUT IN THE OPEN.

    i want my country back.

  68. 68.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    @TenguPhule:

    Hahahahaha, no.

    This is why you start making plans to evacuate from Nazi-land to allow the drones free reign

    So you’re saying that mowing the marchers down with a machine gun wouldn’t solve anything? Color me shocked

  73. 73.

    TenguPhule

    @Steeplejack:

    It’s “free rein.” Only neo-Nazis say “free reign.”

    I meant exactly what I said, I want those fuckers under drone cams 24/7. I want them to know Big Brother is watching them.

    They wanted 1984, then give them EXACTLY what they asked for.

    Complete with Room 101.

  75. 75.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    @TenguPhule:
    I hope you’re being snarky. Neo-nazis vs anti-fascists in a country full of easy to get guns is a disaster waiting to happen. The Republicans and the NRA are going to regret their support for unrestrained gun rights. Guns weren’t that available to brownshirts in the Weimar Republic.

  77. 77.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    @TenguPhule:
    I was trying to go for the balls to walls gross out humor, hence the “hold my beer”. My kind of humor/satire is of the Robot Chicken-style variety. It’s shocking and outrageous.

  78. 78.

    TenguPhule

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:

    I hope you’re being snarky. Neo-nazis vs anti-fascists in a country full of easy to get guns is a disaster waiting to happen. The Republicans and the NRA are going to regret their support for unrestrained gun rights.

    NRA just blamed Castile for his own murder by cop. Their new line for selling guns is “the media is the enemy within”.

    They’re building up the rhetoric to levels not seen since 1930.

  80. 80.

    sharl

    In an unsigned editorial, the local Charlottesville paper did that classic white leadership thing: blamed all this on the black guy, specifically city councilor Wes Bellamy, who by rudely pointing out certain things and taking certain inconvenient actions, apparently, some how, brought all these white racists to this “university town, which is at once progressive and quaint” (yep, that line is in the bravely unsigned editorial).

    Here’s a twitter thread from a black resident of Charlottesville who earlier this evening attended a special church service arranged in response to this hatefest. The church is very near where the nazi Tiki torch rally took place this evening. Fortunately it sounds like there were no injuries, at least not to the church attendees; only some momentary inconvenience during their departure from the service.

    By the way, the twitter thread I linked is by a guy named John Edwin Mason, who has written about Affrilachians – African-American residents of Appalachia. I found the historical accounts interesting, and I love the kind of old photos he reproduced there. Just FYI…

  82. 82.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    @TenguPhule:
    I know. But I meant that liberals and other leftists can just as easily arm ourselves and form militias. See Redneck Revolt.

  84. 84.

    Steeplejack

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:

    Let’s see, you were worried that it was too raunchy for the oldsters at Balloon Juice, so you made sure to post it again for M^4. Then you’re disappointedly surprised that nobody pied you.

    If anybody did pie you, it’s because it was trite, stale and stupid. Don’t you have a sophomore you need to go eat out or something? Better use of your time.

    P.S. Pie me if this is too raunchy.

  86. 86.

    TenguPhule

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:

    I know. But I meant that liberals and other leftists can just as easily arm ourselves and form militias. See Redneck Revolt

    Guns aren’t going to mean much.

    Spend some time studying the Iraq Clusterfuck of an Occupation.

    Every household had at least one AK-47. It didn’t do most of them much good.

    Most of the ones who tried gunfights died.

    Then they discovered how fucking effective IEDs are.

  87. 87.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    @Steeplejack:

    Let’s see, you were worried that it was too raunchy for the oldsters at Balloon Juice, so you made sure to post it again for M^4. Then you’re disappointedly surprised that nobody pied you.

    If anybody did pie you, it’s because it was trite, stale and stupid. Don’t you have a sophomore you need to go eat out or something? Better use of your time.

    What the fuck? M^4 asked me what I did and quoted it to show him. I wasn’t disappointed, I was relieved.

    Don’t you have a sophomore you need to go eat out or something? Better use of your time.

    This is disgusting on numerous levels. I’m 22 and a grown man. And I explicitly said a few days ago that I found that act disgusting. I would never do such a thing. I expect an apology.
    It’s fine if you didn’t find it funny. Looking back I think it’s a little cringy, but don’t hit below the belt like that.

  91. 91.

    TriassicSands

    @TenguPhule:

    I want them to know Big Brother is watching them.

    Unfortunately, Big Brother is Trump and he’s not watching them, he’s watching out for them. Now, they have a friend in the Nazi business.

  96. 96.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    @Steeplejack:
    I still expect an apology for what you said above. Not about my writing being trite, that’s fine. About accusing me of being a pedophile. Unless you meant college sophmore. That’s a different story.

    Have your mom schedule a conference after school and I’ll explain it all to her.

    What is this babbling even supposed to mean?

  100. 100.

    Steeplejack

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:

    It means that all this week you have been coming across like a guy who hasn’t quite shaken off his fundy home-schooled background after escaping to junior college, and your “Look at me! I’m raunchy!” repost got on my last nerve.

    Pro tip: if one of your comedic stylings dies in silence, there’s a reason, and it’s probably not because not enough people saw it.

    And there will be no apology. Apparently

    My kind of humor/satire is of the Robot Chicken-style variety. It’s shocking and outrageous.

    Is true only for certain values of “shocking and outrageous.”

  102. 102.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    @Steeplejack:

    It means that all this week you have been coming across like a guy who hasn’t quite shaken off his fundy home-schooled background after escaping to junior college, and your “Look at me! I’m raunchy!” repost got on my last nerve.

    First off, I went to public HS like many other people. I regret mentioning that act, now. I don’t think eating a girl out is fun. Doesn’t mean I’m some repressed fundy freak about sex. Second, M^4 asked what I did and I showed them. I really was afraid I’d crossed a line. Third, it was only yesterday I mentioned that, not all week.

    Pro tip: if one of your comedic stylings dies in silence, there’s a reason, and it’s probably not because not enough people saw it.

    Fair enough.

    And there will be no apology.

    If you didn’t mean it like I was a pedophile,then I don’t need one.

    Look, let’s just forget this ever happened and never mention it again. I won’t post any of the above again either. Deal?

  103. 103.

    No One You Know

    @Steeplejack: Mm, have to agree. Boring, and the worst of white entitled male, as if that was new and shocking. Just advertising that you have NO IDEA how much of this women have already seen…for much longer than baby bro has been alive. Entitled to be noticed? Fuck your entitlement.

  106. 106.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    @No One You Know: I shouldn’t respond at this point, but: how do you know I’m white or a guy? And what about whatever I said above makes me entitled? I’m not entitled to be noticed. I was legitimately afraid I might have crossed a line and offended people here, these same people I like to shoot the shit with on all sorts of things.

  112. 112.

    Amir Khalid

    I had feared that this might happen: I’m afraid I’ve let the Girl down.
    I was administering her first string change. I was worried that I might kink a string, but fortunately that didn’t happen. But when the high E string kept slipping out of the hole in its tuning peg, I got all wee-weed up and wound it so tight that I broke it. Well, that’s one set of D’Addarios down the drain. I hope my luck with the other set of strings (also D’Addarios) gets better.

  113. 113.

    Steeplejack

    @Amir Khalid:

    You don’t have to change the whole set just for one string. Replace the E string and keep the rest of that set for spares, to change individual strings as needed.

  116. 116.

    opiejeanne

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Good. It’s been so hot here and no rain for months, when normally it rains at least once a week in the summer, except for the end of August.
    We had two big spruces cut down yesterday. Couldn’t find a thing wrong with them, and we are thinking that the drought killed them. They died a year apart. Stood next to each other for more than 25 years. Down the road there’s a winery that has a pair of huge oaks in the pasture in front of their tasting room. We noticed today that both trees are dead, lending to our theory that the drought killed ours. We were suffering from the drought the same number of years that California was. It’s devastating, and expensive.

  117. 117.

    Baud

    Here’s a slogan for the Democratic Party: “Make Nazis Slither Back Under Their Fucking Rocks Again.”

    “Keep the Nazis Under Their Fucking Rocks” didn’t work for Clinton.

  119. 119.

    Chyron HR

    @Baud:

    B.S.: “They’re not deplorable! They just want to secure a future for white working class children!”

  120. 120.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @TenguPhule:
    Okay. Yes, it will all end peacefully, in the sense that there is no real chance of the widescale violence you anticipate happening. The government making life Hell for minorities is the worst we can expect, which is pretty damn bad but nothing like you fear. This is as bad as it gets, the nation’s out-and-proud gathered in the friendliest territory they can find, demonstrating early in the middle of the night because they’re so fucking scared they’ll be wildly outnumbered at their planned demonstration, poking a tiny group of people with torches.

    At least, that’s the most large scale it gets. A significant uptick in hate crimes because they know the DoJ will turn a blind eye? Yeah. But that’s ‘two or three times normal’ not ‘campaign of violence and intimidation’ or ‘civil war.’

    They’re also not going to cancel elections. They’ll try to rig them, but they’ve already hit diminishing returns on that. We outnumber them, and if we get off our asses in 2018 and vote, we will drown them.

  121. 121.

    Chris

    Makes my blood boil to see these vile scumbags on parade. It’s not like we didn’t know they were around. They’ve always been around. But now they’re strutting through the streets, emboldened by fellow travelers in the White House.

    Yep, exactly. They’ve always been around, but they used to be on the fringe – basic nationalism and WW2-mythology if nothing else meant that neither party would be in a rush to claim neo-Nazis, even if they were also racist as fuck and even if they supported groups with identical beliefs but different self-descriptions (i.e. Confederate over Nazi). That changed in 2016. For the first time in any of these people’s living memories, neo-Nazis have a friend in the White House, and no matter how his presidency ends, they can now at least count on one of the two major parties going to bat for them and they know it.

  122. 122.

    Honus

    @Mnemosyne: that’s pretty much what I was thinking today at the hearing (federal CH is across the street from my office so I watched he argument). If/when this goes to hell today and a quiet downtown neighborhood gets trashed it’s on his head. The city wanted to move the nazis to a much larger somewhat more secluded park. The Court said no, Kesslers first amendment rights would be impacted.

  123. 123.

    Chris

    @Amaranthine RBG:

    I normally think these guys are more lame and ridiculous than anything else, but there was something about that video that was just chilling

    I had a conversation on LGM three years ago on this topic. My point was that we may have grown up thinking of these people as just freaks and losers, but that’s exactly what the original NSDAP/Brownshirts were when they started out, too. Except when you feed nice white middle class people a steady diet of racially-driven hysteria for long enough (look at GoogleGate for the latest example), it turns out that a stupendous number of these nice white middle class respectable people are perfectly happy to turn to the freaks and losers for salvation.

  125. 125.

    Chris

    @MomSense:

    From the videos the counter protesters posted, it appears the Nazis beat them with their tiki torches, used mace, and physically removed the small group of 40 people.

    I have no doubt the relatives who were indignantly explaining to me that OWS was “a mob” and “anarchists” who deserved everything they got from the cops and who’ve spent the last half-a-year getting the vapors over Black Bloc violence will be along any minute to give us a similar freakout about this.

    Ha! I crack myself up.

  126. 126.

    Honus

    @sharl: yep. A bunch of mostly imported jerks come to town, march at night with torches chanting openly nazi slogans (“blood and soil”) and it’s Wes Bellamy who is the “agitator” that needs to quell his rhetoric. The same paper chose this photo of Cornel West speaking at the church service to feature on its web site least night:

    http://www.dailyprogress.com/gallery/mass-prayer-service-with-dr-cornel-west/collection_aad2fd44-7efb-11e7-b808-67af34453924.html#1

    I’ve lived her 45 years and the Daily Progress has always been a worthless rag.

  127. 127.

    Soprano2

    I think it’s good that they are showing their faces. That way we can see who they are. They think they’re the majority now, but they’re wrong. I hope they are outnumbered 10 to 1 or more tomorrow – that’s the real story. I’d be there demonstrating if I weren’t in MO.

    I think this has been inevitable ever since it became apparent that white people were eventually going to be outnumbered in the U.S. They are terrified by that for a number of reasons, and Trump is their last gasp at trying to hold on to power. They know how they would treat people if they gained power after being treated the way black and brown people have been treated in this country. They’re terrified that will happen to them.

    And yes, we should call them Nazis, because that’s what they are. Most people have no idea what alt-right is – that’s why they coined that term, to make themselves seem respectable. We need to rip that veneer off them, even if the press and TV pundits think it’s “impolite”. They don’t think they should have to be polite to us – why should I have to be polite to them?

  131. 131.

    kindness

    Trumplenacht is coming. I don’t know. Maybe the movies & video games they see make them think a civil war is easy. There is a part of these nazis mind sets that is altered, removed just a step from reality. Their echo chamber whips it around and amps it up to 11. When Trump was elected I figured moderates of all strips & liberals would see the shitshow and come together. But now I see there is a large group of ‘liberals’ who are determined to make the USA a Maine election where the progressives split. Bone heads. We need to speak from a together standpoint. Litmus tests hurt us right now. It’s the wrong message and it divides us. Plus, we really don’t disagree all that much. Nothing like how we relate to the fascists. I wish I could talk sense into those demanding purity. There is a civil war on the horizon. It’d be better if we actually were in control of as much of government as we can.

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