Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

The arc of history bends toward the same old fuckery.

People really shouldn’t expect the government to help after they watched the GOP drown it in a bathtub.

Republicans firmly believe having an abortion is a very personal, very private decision between a woman and J.D. Vance.

This chaos was totally avoidable.

This country desperately needs a functioning fourth estate.

Not all heroes wear capes.

The press swings at every pitch, we don’t have to.

Republicans: The threats are dire, but my tickets are non-refundable!

The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand.

Tide comes in. Tide goes out. You can’t explain that.

The gop is a fucking disgrace.

Seems like a complicated subject, have you tried yelling at it?

I really should read my own blog.

Republicans do not pay their debts.

Republicans seem to think life begins at the candlelight dinner the night before.

You are so fucked. Still, I wish you the best of luck.

Let me eat cake. The rest of you could stand to lose some weight, frankly.

“But what about the lurkers?”

Giving up is unforgivable.

A thin legal pretext to veneer over their personal religious and political desires.

This year has been the longest three days of putin’s life.

When someone says they “love freedom”, rest assured they don’t mean yours.

Nothing says ‘pro-life’ like letting children go hungry.

Damn right I heard that as a threat.

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  2. 2.

    LAO

    @Baud: Well, the picture is certainly convenient. Too convenient, I say, it’s obviously a false flag engineered by Soros.

  3. 3.

    debbie

    I didn’t realize until this morning that he was in the protest, left it, got his car, and then drove into the crowd. If that’s not clear intention, I don’t know what is.

  4. 4.

    satby

    @Baud: yep, already seeing the”staged, false flag” bullshit in Twitter replies.
    I have to work today with one of the only two Drumpf voters I know IRL, and it will take all my strength not to go off on her.

  6. 6.

    Elizabelle

    Loser boys.

    @debbie: Good point. That will be highly interesting to prosecutors. They have opened an FBI and DOJ civil rights investigation into Mr. Fields.

    (PS: did you ask yesterday if I was back from Spain? Answer is, yes, sadly, since mid-July. Moar Trump exposure. Not good.)

  7. 7.

    schrodingers_cat

    How about a thread for the woman who stood against this hatred, and gave her life.

  8. 8.

    Elizabelle

    @satby: I wonder if the Trump voter might be chastened? I am seeing zilch from the few Trumpanzees I know on the book of Faces.

    Maybe don’t say anything and observe this nitwit for a while?

  11. 11.

    Gelfling 545

    @LAO: Yes, obviously the fact that there’s proof means it’s a lie! Things are only true if there’s absolutely no evidence.

  12. 12.

    Derelict

    Clearly, the guy is an ultra-extreme leftist acting to discredit the true patriot movement.

    Or he’s a lone wolf, and nobody could have predicted etc.

    Or he’s mentally ill, and shouldn’t we have some sympathy for his affliction?

    But an actual Nazi marching and acting to impose White supremacy on the United States of America? Simply not possible. Ask any Republican. Hell, just ask the President of these United States.

  14. 14.

    Chris

    @Derelict:

    Clearly, the guy is an ultra-extreme leftist acting to discredit the true patriot movement.

    Well, all Nazis are leftist anyway, doncha know.

  15. 15.

    Schlemazel

    @schrodingers_cat:
    Heather Heyer

    I recommend melting granny Lee down & casting a statue to her at the replacemnt. She was more an honorable American that that slave owning son of a bitch

  17. 17.

    Shrillhouse

    Tragedies like this will continue until the left is willing to have an honest discussion about rap lyrics and violent video games…

  19. 19.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    His mommy’s statement was about what I’d expect from an NKY/SEOH wingnut – too coy about about not knowing his political activities, Trump defense, a black friend, he isnt that right wing.

    The nasty fucker was marching with Vanguard and chanting “Blood and Soil”. She had best be coming up with ways to put money on his prison book for the decade to come.

  23. 23.

    nycmt

    I am two handshakes from Cvjetanovic in the real world. My friend, whom i’ve known since he was a senior in high school twenty years ago, was his professor for three courses, and was tapped for graduate recommandations (my friend is obviously Jewish). This is how close this bullshit gets. Two handshakes to a nazi, jew-jew-nazi.

  27. 27.

    Tuna

    So Trump thinks he can be a supporter of Nazis and get a warm welcome in London…the city the Nazis tried to destroy.

  30. 30.

    RandomMonster

    But we all know the Nazis we’re national-socialists and socialism is part of the left and so all those those marchers are leftists.

  35. 35.

    Nelle

    There was a go fund me overnight for, I think, funeral and associated expenses for the victim with a goal of 20,000. 21,000 raised in two hours (showed up on my Facebook feed).

  38. 38.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    Let me add this:

    There will always be horrible, filthy, disgusting lawyers (some even better than that rank incompetent Glenn Greenwald) to try and cobble 1st Amendment rights for white supremacists in their unconstitutional goal of cleansing nonwhite people and stealing their property in part (or all) of North America. This is antithetical to any notion of liberty.

    Next time one of these groups asks for help, the ACLU actually needs to look at the end goal in its analysis and quit enabling them. The answer shouldn’t be “both sides”, but instead a hearty and angry “fuck you, no”.

  41. 41.

    O. Felix Culpa

    @Schlemazel: No “stand your car” law in VA. But they’re trying to pass such laws in several red states, making it ok for drivers to plow into protesters. Because freedom.

  42. 42.

    Amir Khalid

    Is it too soon yet to tell if there’s going to be any blowback for Republican politicians or their party after this spate of exposures regarding ties to the American far right and fascism?

  44. 44.

    oldgold

    Michael Gerson, a former Bush speech writer, has written a good op-ed piece in this morning’s WaPo condemning Trump’s babbling incoherent response to the events in Charlottesville.

    “Trump’s reaction to events in Charlottesville was alternately trite (“come together as one”), infantile (“very, very sad”) and meaningless (“we want to study it”). “There are so many great things happening in our country,” he said, on a day when racial violence took a life.”

  46. 46.

    Kathleen

    @Shrillhouse: Also, too, as Chuckles Toad told Tom Peres, until Dems reach out to people wearing swastika t shirts and carrying tiki torches. I blame Obama, Hillary and identity politics.

  49. 49.

    debbie

    @Amir Khalid:

    Patience, grasshopper. They’re all so scared shitless, they’ve tweeted out their “condemnations.” I have yet to see any GOPer supporting Trump’s “many sides” statement.

  52. 52.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    When I first heard this I was thinking “Oh they are going use this riot as some kind of Kansas City thing and scream that we have to keep both sides apart” and start somekind of segregation. But this is feeling more like the Selma Civil Right march were the crude violence of the racists just got to much for the country. No politician seems to be defending the racists scum and even Trump the Twat and later day Governor Wallace can’t get away with praising them.

    And may I add, it’s that picture of eminently l punchable faces there? Small wonder they are racists, looks like being white is the only thing they got going.

  55. 55.

    Gin & Tonic

    As it happens, I am currently in southern Bavaria, where they know something about, you know, real Nazis, and have managed to come to grips with their history much better over 70 years than the US has in 150.

  56. 56.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    @Kathleen:

    Yeah, those people are seriously fucked in the head. Here in the People’s Democratic Soc!alist Kenyan Shariah Republic of Louisville, we don’t understand them at all.

  57. 57.

    Yarrow

    Turned on CNN for a moment and Jake Tapper was beating up on Tom Bossert “White House Homeland Security Adviser” for not condemning white supremacists. Tapper finally said that he’d heard him condemn violence, all groups who do this, etc. but not white supremacists. The guy then said he condemned white supremacists but looked like he was being forced to eat a shit sandwich while he said it. I don’t think his bosses at the WH will be happy with him.

    What has happened that the media is upset that Republicans aren’t condemning white supremacists? What changed? This is new. Was it the guy killing the girl with the car and injuring so many people?

  58. 58.

    Yoda Dog

    @Amir Khalid: No blowback.

    However some berniebro shot up a baseball game, you may recall. Every democrat on every ticket needs to be prepared to own that shit at the polls for the next decade at least.

    (raises mug) morning, all.

  59. 59.

    Lyrebird

    @Baud: I’m figuring the family of the deceased might need a little time before they’re ready to make statements or to see this everywhere. Who knows. But a proper tribute could reasonably take more than a night.

  61. 61.

    Gin & Tonic

    @O. Felix Culpa: Interesting question. If you’re carrying, can you shoot a driver if you’re afraid he’s going to run you down? Isn’t that the essence of standing your ground?

  62. 62.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    Well, well even the Mouch has isn’t liking Trump’s weasel words.

    “I think he needed to be much harsher as it related to the white supremacists and the nature of that,” Scaramucci said on ABC News’ “This Week.”

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/scaramucci-says-trump-should-have-been-harsher-in-condemning-white-supremacy

    Of course as an Italian American he perfect knows, that like the Slavs and Germans, he’s only an honorary white because the WASPS need the numbers.

  64. 64.

    TS

    @Yarrow:

    Was it the guy killing the girl with the car and injuring so many people?

    Could be many reasons but one that comes to mind – the girl he killed was white.

  65. 65.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    @Yarrow:

    What has happened that the media is upset that Republicans aren’t condemning white supremacists? What changed? This is new. Was it the guy killing the girl with the car and injuring so many people?

    Easy; this was in some middle class city and not some slum. If it can happen in Charlottesville, it can happen in any town or city in America.

  66. 66.

    Schlemazel

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques:
    I am old enough to remember when Italians, Greeks and even Poles were not white enough for those boys. If they were all on an iceberg they will start sawing of those ‘less than white’ folks who helped make them

  67. 67.

    different-church-lady

    63 million Americans need to be told “This is what you voted for,” with no debate following.

  70. 70.

    chris

    Friends and admirers of Heather are urging everyone to stand outside their homes at 10 p.m. Eastern on Sunday night (tonight) with lit candles, to show everyone across the world that they oppose racism and they oppose fascism.

    Link

  71. 71.

    debbie

    Something else I don’t understand. Wasn’t the rally scheduled for Saturday @ noon? The March of the Tikis was the night before. Was that something spontaneous and unplanned (as in no permits)? If so, how could the police not have been better prepared for what happened the next day?

  72. 72.

    different-church-lady

    It just keeps getting worse: someone let Freddie DB write an OpEd in the WaPo.

  74. 74.

    Iowa Old Lady

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: I also think media attitudes are built cumulatively. Trump’s been trashing himself in public for a long time. Now that he’s president, that trashing reflects on us too. They’re looking for issues in everything he says because he’s reliably awful. They’re less likely to give him the benefit of the doubt, and rightly so.

  77. 77.

    Yarrow

    @TS: Yes, that’s a good point. Had she been anything other than a white girl the media might not have turned.

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: Another good point. It can happen in anyone’s leafy suburb or gentrified urban center.

    I guess what I’m curious about is how it changed. Yesterday during the protests the media wasn’t saying this sort of thing. Then something changed last night and now this morning the chyrons are “Trump won’t condemn white supremacy.” It’s a big change. Trump’s lack of condemnation didn’t surprise me because Trump and his followers have been saying and doing this all along. Why is the media suddenly so shocked and horrified?

  78. 78.

    satby

    @Yarrow:

    Why is the media suddenly so shocked and horrified?

    Because it’s not following the “thoughts and prayers” script. Bad shit (like a mass shooting) happens, the usual suspects who have enabled it come out and offer somber words about “thoughts and prayers” for the victims and then the media can move on, pretending all is well. Drumof didn’t follow the script. And the violence was too obviously an outgrowth of the fascist march.

  80. 80.

    debbie

    @satby:

    I also think lots of people were taken back by the visual of marching, shouting haters carrying torches, echoing the Jim Crow and segregation mobs.

  82. 82.

    Yarrow

    Chuckles the Todd is speaking in his “concerned” voice and all the panelists, including James Lowry are saying Trump hasn’t said enough. Chyron says “President Trump criticizes ‘both sides.'”

  83. 83.

    randy khan

    @Yarrow:

    I honestly think that the difference was that the white supremacists killed somebody. At that point, failing to condemn them was beyond the pale. (No pun intended.)

  84. 84.

    The Simp in the Suit

    @debbie: “the visual of marching, shouting haters carrying torches, echoing the Jim Crow and segregation mobs.”

    Actually, for me, the visuals echoed the Nazis marches, too.

  85. 85.

    FlipYrWhig

    @satby: Yup. Trump flubbed it THAT badly. Remember how people kept saying that his grandstanding and incompetence were already pretty bad but what would he be like in a national crisis? The crisis came. It was easy to know what to do. He threw away his shot. He couldn’t show he was capable of being an adequate _ceremonial_ president like even George W. Bush could manage. He’s done.

  89. 89.

    lamh36

    Good morning!

    It’s really sad that some folks think just cause you can dribble a ball or throw a good spiral for their entertainment that you can’t alls express your opinions about hatred & bigotry and instead should “just play ball”!! #TeamLeBron #TeamKaep!!

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0c462e589588415ccccd344beceed7cbf4996a4b2c17da9e6817fd8ed05cde8f.png

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5568eb39665227f9cbbcd2ad8ffaf3e93f04de4df1c852c53ecc274acfca067b.png

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/56ae333d5176b7c93faa420c28db6350fdc89b2671cd359093fbc9af315fcc98.png

  90. 90.

    Kathleen

    @Yarrow: Is he still concerned that Dems aren’t reaching out to people with swastikas on their T shirts? Has be blamed Obama and Hillary for encouraging divisiveness yet? Watching Joy Reid (I never watch any of the Sunday shows) but her lineup is stellar. George W Bush’s Ethics attorney (last name Painter) is kicking ass and naming names. Joy needs to have a daily program. She is outstanding.

    ETA I agree that media’s concern due mostly to fact young woman who was killed was white. I’m that cynical. The 2 state policemen’s deaths could also be a factor. Wondering if it was more than a random “crash”.

  91. 91.

    bemused

    How many red lines have to be crossed? Media and a few GOPers are publicly calling the tiki torch terrorists white supremacists, fascists and nazis. That’s something newish but far from where we should be. So many of us saw a yuge red line when Trump became a candidate but there have been numerous danger signs along the way, tea partiers dominating town halls and gaining government seats, etc. and GOP actively promoting and using those people to be in power though the toxic seeds to decimate democracy have growing for decades.

    What happened in Charlottesville is a defining red line in our interactions with Republicans in our families, co-workers, etc. How many will openly denounce the nazi losers, stay silent or defend them? We will know them. GOP legislators will be defined by their actions. It’s still a drip, drip, drip process when it should be a deluge.

  92. 92.

    LaNonna

    As an American living, for now, in Italy, and child of Holocaust survivors, I am horrified, terrified, conflicted, and have family members “stuck” in this brave new United States of America, the country my parents literally found as their salvation in the late 1940s. It seems topsy-turvy that I am better protected here in a former fascist state, both for my civil rights and my human rights. FWIW, we came here initially for medical treatment not available ( affordable I mean) in NYC, now wondering when/if we can ever return? I am sick to my stomach and have been since the elections, and beyond mournful.

  93. 93.

    lamh36

    this is the guy who had an entire twitter thread full of classmates who recognized him and were like “wait is this the guy from econ 1 that sits next to you Suzy”??

    Peter Cvjetanovic says, “I’m not the angry racist they see in that photo”
    ktvn.com/story/36123640…

    “Sure, Jan!”??

  94. 94.

    Honus

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes: I was at the hearing for the injunction Friday. The ACLU lawyer was from Alexandria and he appeared by phone. The judge was from Roanoke, 100 miles south of here. The city wanted to move Kessler’s rally from the small park in the heart of a downtown neighborhood, adjacent to a pedestrian mall, to much larger more isolated park about a mile away, where festivals, softball games, cookouts etc are held. There is a Vietnam memorial in the park too.
    The judge and the ACLU lawyer were oblivious to and ignored the fact that putting this group of nazis and their militants opposition together in a congested neighborhood near a walking mall full of businesses and restaurants on a summer Saturday was a prescription for disaster. The abstract conception of Jason Kessler’s first amendment right to have his rally right next to a statue of Robert lee carried the day. And cost heather her life.

  97. 97.

    lamh36

    1:2 There should be no place in society for racism, white supremacy and neo-nazis.

    Really Ivanka, cause ur daddy talks to at least 3 such types almost every day??

  99. 99.

    El Caganer

    The “Best Regards” thing was weak sauce. He should have gone all the way and signed off, “Toodle-oo!”

  101. 101.

    RSA

    @lamh36: Later in that article Cvjetanovic says,

    “As a white nationalist, I care for all people. We all deserve a future for our children and for our culture. White nationalists aren’t all hateful; we just want to preserve what we have.”

    He’s paraphrasing a slogan that traces back to a passage from Mein Kampf.

  103. 103.

    Dave

    @Elizabelle: The most I’ve seen are some attempts to make a false equivalence with BLM. They are acknowledging it’s bad, they just want people where they belong after all not this ugliness, but are still invested in redirecting. Others are remaining silent which is probably a good sign. Obviously speaking out directly would be the best but that’s a long shot.

  104. 104.

    lamh36

    Ugh…I’m betting on the same type of violence that happened on the last 48 hrs to continue as long as the Orange menace is in office!!

    Trump campaign just released new ad attacking his “enemies” in media & Dem Party. Seems quite tone deaf right now.

    You’d think someone in Trump’s orbit would say “maybe right now isn’t the best time to release a campaign ad casting @POTUS as the victim.”
    https://twitter.com/kenvogel/status/896744171754618881

  106. 106.

    WaterGirl

    @lamh36: I can’t get to that page because of my ad blocker. Are they naming names and posting photos? I surely hope so.

    I have been with family all week, and my nieces husband posed this question at breakfast? What can employers do, or what should employers do, if they see their employees taking part in the torch march and white supremacist stuff? There was no agreement about that, and lots of wondering what could legally be done if people were marching on their own time.

  107. 107.

    Betty Cracker

    @lamh36: Here’s my favorite quote from Cvjetanovic:

    “I did not expect the photo to be shared as much as it was. I understand the photo has a very negative connotation.”

    Ya think? I hope that photo and the stories about him parading around with a violent mob of idiotic white supremacists remains the top search result for his name for the rest of his natural life.

  108. 108.

    scav

    If all this is true, then there’s definitely a growing theme and shared vocabulary between the dear Donald and his cosplaying Charlotte cohorts. How Trump’s paranoid White House sees ‘deep state’ enemies on all sides

    Hadn’t realized “Republican leadership. ‘Afraid of being acused of being called racist, sexist, homophobe or Islamophobe'” had joined the official larger list (I may be slow, I thought they we on Donnie’s personal one because of failure to be sufficiently abject). What an intersting place the NSC must be.

  111. 111.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    @Honus:

    You recall the name of the ACLU lawyer who made the appearance? I would like to have a real life lawyer to lawyer chat about that delicate balance between zeal and proportionality and how there are trade offs that can be performed within the boundaries of professional ethics.

  112. 112.

    lamh36

    @Betty Cracker: right i made the point last night that the same social media tool that they use to recruit and spread and document their bigotry & hatred is the same tool used to expose them out of the dark web and from behind their keyboard into the light!

  113. 113.

    Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho

    @WaterGirl: FWIW, the First Amendment protects speech from the government, which is important. (Duh). It provides no protection against social response to speech. If the employer is a governmental entity, it’s protected speech. A private employer faces no such restrictions, subject, of course, to any published HR policy/employment contract/union agreement terms w/r/t termination and its allowable reasons. The pertinent point
    is that the government can’t punish you for speech/associations, but society can.

    Disclosure: not an employment law specialist.

  116. 116.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @Schlemazel: Rethuglican state legislators are actually proposing legislation that reduces the liability of those who run over pedestrians as a result of incidents at the pipeline construction site in N Dakota.

  118. 118.

    debbie

    @Honus:

    Kessler was quoted as saying he likes to have events here to offend the brainwashed Marxist liberal populace

    So where are the charges for incitement?

  120. 120.

    debbie

    @WaterGirl:

    My workplace points out that wherever we are, we represent the corporation. They don’t say don’t, but they don’t think they need to. Also, it probably gives them the freedom to act without consistency.

  125. 125.

    different-church-lady

    @lamh36:

    Peter Cvjetanovic says, “I’m not the angry racist they see in that photo”

    Really? Well what kind of angry racist are you then?

  128. 128.

    different-church-lady

    WaPo:

    “White House: Trump condemnation includes ‘white supremacists’”

    Oh, how nice of you to be fucking INCLUSIVE. Now let me explain set theory to you, you goddamned dickhead…

  130. 130.

    Honus

    @Karen: l can’t be too hard on the police. They were presented with a tough situation. They declared an illegal assembly early and tried to move everybody out of the park. I’m old enough to remember what happened in places like Chicago when they just moved in and started beating on people. This was complicated by the open carry law which resulted in literally dozens of men in helmets and camo carrying assault rifles openly on the streets in a business district on Saturday afternoon. I hate to say it but it could have been worse. It also could have been better if judge Conrad hadn’t forced this thing into the downtown area.

  131. 131.

    dimmsdale

    @Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho: well, yeah, not an employment law specialist either, but I (along with the rest of my fellow working stiffs) have been informed by my large, corporate employer many times that any action taken by me that jeopardizes the firm reputationally will be frowned on, penalties to include termination. Not sure how legal it is to do that, but it’s tempered my public statements on social media, unfortunately.

  134. 134.

    dimmsdale

    @Honus: Not a lawyer, and treading somewhat gingerly here, but reading your comment I think “and what about those ‘protest zones’, far away from the entities being protested, that lefties get herded into all the time?, doesn’t fairness require even-handedness here?” (maybe I’m missing something, but isn’t a lot of the violence and the young woman’s death down to the inadequate and possibly complicit response of the police?) Also, I’ll just add that henceforth, the next time Nazis march in public, if I don’t see them surrounded in overwhelming numbers by National Guard I’m going to assume complicity with Nazis on the part of local officials.

  137. 137.

    Mnemosyne

    I was checking Facebook and it turns out that someone I know IRL is acquainted with one of the people who was injured yesterday. Fortunately for her, she was fairly far from the car itself, so she just has a broken arm and some scrapes and bruises.

  138. 138.

    Karen

    @Honus: many police support white supremacy, in places where there are no restrictions on tattoos it is not unusual to see police with tattoos that support nazis or white supremacy. I can’t find the link since cleaned history, but someone started sharing police tattoos that are the same as the nazis, klan and white supremacists wear.
    I remember Chicago, and Watts; but I see it as wrong to simply allow the open carry, camo wearing idiots to take part in police line.

  139. 139.

    Honus

    @dimmsdale: I agree about the protest zones. I think the judge made an ill-considered ruling. McIntire park, where they wanted to move the nazis isn’t all that remote, either.

  140. 140.

    Honus

    @Karen: they weren’t taking part in the police line, they were exercising their “Second Amendment rights” and the police couldn’t do anything about it and if they had tried it may well have escalated the violence.
    I’ve lived here for 45 years and am acquainted with the last two police chiefs, Deke Bowen and Timothy Longo, and honestly don’t believe either of them were racist. The new Chief, Al Thomas, is African American. As far as PDs go, I think the CPD is less racist than most.

  142. 142.

    chris

    @Karen: Waiting for the (black) chief of police to speak up. Wondering if he was more concerned with the heavily-armed “patriots” than a bunch of people with sticks and stones. I’m still amazed that nobody was shot.

  143. 143.

    Mnemosyne

    @Honus:

    I wouldn’t be surprised if CPD tried to get additional assistance from other agencies and couldn’t, because no one else took the threat seriously. After all, it was just a bunch of white people marching and protesting, so how dangerous could it be? ?

    I do feel like that judge and ACLU lawyer have blood on their hands now. They were told that CPD felt it would be dangerous to have the rally in that area, and CPD was right.

  144. 144.

    Karen

    @chris: You aren’t the only one surprised that no one was shot, I think they should have done something to keep the “patriots” away if possible; but then I believe open carry is just asking for problems. When you make it legal for civilians to walk around in camo carrying weapons and live ammunition it is simply a matter of time before they open fire, if they are standing with police people aren’t going to know if police or “patriots” are the ones doing the shooting.

  145. 145.

    Gravenstone

    @lamh36: Of course Bannon is a leaker. He has a position and goal he’s trying to solidify by getting it ‘out there’. He’s far from only one. Probably Miller, Gorka, Jarvanka… the whole lot of them are leaking to protect their own interests and settle squabbles and scores.

  146. 146.

    d58826

    Most of the GOP has been saying the right things the past 24 hours. Now it’s time to walk the walk. When Congress returns from recess the D;’s should introduce legislation to re-instate the Voting rights act. Lets see how the Goopers respond.

    Generally speaking I’m in favor of a clean debt limit bill but since the GOOPERS want to clutter it up with amendments, then I think the D’s should say no voting right amendment then no debt limit votes. And they need 60 votes to pass in the Senate

  147. 147.

    Jay C

    @lamh36:

    Jim Wright (Stonekettle) posted a satisfactory* solution to the issue of Confederate statues in public places: take them down, break them up, and recast them into urinals – so that the Confederacy can get its proper respect…..

    *slightly sexist, but satisfactory

  149. 149.

    chris

    @Karen: As a Canadian I think I can safely say that those of us in the civilised world eagerly await the day when America joins us. Real gun laws would be a good start but we’re not holding our breath.

  150. 150.

    Shalimar

    @Yarrow: Trump condemned “most sides”, not both. Since he didn’t show any personal contrition, I think it follows that he sees every side at fault but him.

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    Honus

    @Mnemosyne: no, mcauliffe ordered the national guard in Friday, and there were state police and uva police also to help. I think they baffled at what to do, they couldn’t arrest the people for just being armed, and they didn’t want to start a police riot so they may have underreacred as a result.

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    Shalimar

    @Gravenstone: Preibus was too, at least in the sense of venting to reporters he has known for years and letting them print it. There were a number of lay-of-the-White-House anonymous quotes that could only come from him or a close aide.
    There were 3 basic types of leaks:
    1) the “can you believe this incompetence?” quotes the mostly seem to come from longtime Republican operatives;
    2) the “Javanka are so awesome” quotes that seem to come directly from Javanka;
    3) the “lay waste to all our enemies and destroy the American way of life” quotes from Bannon, Miller, Gorka and allies, and are mostly disseminated through Breitbart and Cernovich.

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    Shalimar

    @Honus: As I have said before, if it was the NAACP dressed in fatigues armed with semi-automatic rifles ringing a park, I would bet everything i own that they would have been arrested en masse and had charges sorted out later. The point of all these open carry laws is to protect white nuts with guns, even nazis.

  154. 154.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    @lamh36:

    Uh huh… i call bullshit…That’s pretty convenient right now isn’t it…so say he fires Bannon for being a leaker but not a racist white nationalist

    Sounds like Trump’s thinking – Trump blew the condemnation so Trump’s going to blame someone else.

  155. 155.

    dimmsdale

    @Honus: this is actually a huge issue, and I thank you for your ‘local knowledge’ and being able to address specific nuances in this case. Actually, TWO huge issues, one I’d put down to getting police over the psychic dissonance of contemplating using the nightstick on WHITE people (instead of POC, lefties, and the other usual suspects), and the other being, how do police effectively control a well-armed crowd that, guaranteed, will contain at least one trigger-happy hot head? I’m hoping that police around the country will take these issues on, in a serious way, and be ready next time. Hope it doesn’t take too long.

  156. 156.

    sm*t cl*de

    March participants were smugly tweeting that people fear them now — mission,accomplished! Which is to say, they are claiming the label “terrorist” for themselves.

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    Scamp Dog

    @Kathleen: I haven’t read anything specific about the crash itself, aside from an official statement that there was “no indication of foul play being a factor”, but helicopters in general have a horrible safety record. Odds are it was a mechanical error or pilot error (keeping in mind that there are MANY more errors you can make in a helicopter).

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