Decline and fall of a once-great ideal, in three arcs:
Fox News host @KatTimpf absolutely goes off on Trump’s “disgusting” presser: “I’m wondering if it’s actually real life what I just watched.” pic.twitter.com/BS0xFwxk3o
— Andrew Kirell (@AndrewKirell) August 15, 2017
FOX news host @EboniKWilliams. Watch and share. pic.twitter.com/ug3xfsO6tm
— Adam Parkhomenko (@AdamParkhomenko) August 15, 2017
Honestly, the only reactions that matter: Fox News prime time and Fox and Friends. If they cape for Trump, he moves on.
— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) August 15, 2017
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[*record scratch*] Fox News Dumbest Talking Head, former Bill O’Reilly hand puppet:
honestly you couldn't even write this shit pic.twitter.com/p7gjbU9yhI
— jack wagner (@jackdwagner) August 15, 2017
(If you’re unable to listen, ‘America is not a racist nation’ immediately segues to ‘Maxine Waters & Susan Rice, encouraging NK?’ and ‘[Black] guys with guns threatening President Trump over food stamps’)
“Slavery is evil. But let’s face it, so is eating ice cream while standing in front of the refrigerator, and I bet you did that last week.” pic.twitter.com/1fLGi9PBXl
— Kieran Healy (@kjhealy) August 16, 2017
Tdy @POTUS @realDonaldTrump fights back w excellent press conf & facts @MorningsMaria @FoxBusiness more tmrw. #msm trying hard
— Maria Bartiromo (@MariaBartiromo) August 15, 2017
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… Aaand, for the big noisy finale, here come the ‘Conservative Intellectuals’!
Good point from a friend in email. This tearing down statues is a cultural revolution of sorts & a small step from statues to actual people
— Erick Erickson (@EWErickson) August 15, 2017
The elite right has utterly conceded the battle in defense of history and against iconoclasts. https://t.co/7YA7uvOnJL
— Ben Domenech (@bdomenech) August 15, 2017
Antifa and the Alt-Right Are Twin Cancers Eating America https://t.co/h1C7X7TQj1 via @benshapiro pic.twitter.com/95IBbr8SBa
— National Review (@NRO) August 15, 2017
"Study the technique; it may prove useful in the next four years."
-Daily Caller's @MikeRaust, 01/27/17
(hat tip to @ggreeneva) pic.twitter.com/LHEmBvSEk1
— Matt Ortega (@MattOrtega) August 15, 2017
Fox News, Daily Caller delete posts encouraging people to drive through protests https://t.co/Dz4K8ez2M0
— The Resistance (@LibsInAmerica) August 15, 2017
The Daily Caller published Charlottesville protest organizer Jason Kessler, deleted his work when we reached out. https://t.co/RsQtNlm00H
— Matthew Gertz (@MattGertz) August 15, 2017
There are two sides in this current struggle, both of them odious. https://t.co/MdxmcIO10L
— Brit Hume (@brithume) August 15, 2017
Yes, there were many fine people in the crowd on Friday night that chanted, "Jews will not replace us," Mr. President.
— John Podhoretz (@jpodhoretz) August 15, 2017
President Trump's condemnation today of racism, bigotry and hatred should satisfy even his harshest critics.
— Newt Gingrich (@newtgingrich) August 14, 2017
Oh, this tweet has aged so badly. So very badly… https://t.co/RhvRvYzUnF
— Daniel W. Drezner (@dandrezner) August 16, 2017
Q for my fellow non-Trump, non-Clinton voters: At what point should we regret not going Hillary?
— Robert VerBruggen (@RAVerBruggen) August 15, 2017
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Maria Bartiromo finishing her career as the weekend morning host on Bill O”Reilly’s subscription only internet line up would be one of the smaller silver linings of this seven month and counting thunderstorm.
Major Major Major Major
That’s not a good point at all, that’s not even a point!
*facepalm*
I mean, one should have pre-regretted it before one did it, and then not done it… but the fact that he’s asking this question as something that will happen in the FUTURE, and not something he already feels…
germy
Jimmy Kimmel monologue.
chris
Bwahahahaha! Canadian based Rebel Media is coming apart at the seams. Lots more here.
I don’t care for popcorn so tea and cookies will have to do.
HyperSphericalCow
At about 7:01AM 11/9/2016, you ding-dong.
father pussbucket
Help, please — “cape”?
chris
Two links is too many? Help! I’m stuck in moderation.
Bah! Email typo. Doh
Pangloss
Beginning with the Scout Jamboree about three weeks ago, you could sense the mood among Republicans with a capacity for embarrassment was… “If he does just one more stupid thing, I’m out.” Just two days later is was the transgender military ban and the Scaramucci phone call. This was followed quickly by the Priebus firing, the Scaramucci firing, the exchange of threats with North Korea, a threat against Venezuela, and the Nazi/KKK parade.
That’s a small part of only three weeks of Trump.
A Ghost To Most
Anybody seen my tiny violin?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@father pussbucket: I’ve seen this around twitter, I think it means, “give apologetic, whataboutist media coverage to someone”. Even then, Wiegel’s tweet confuses me a bit.
ETA: He thinks Fox can get trump out of this? “coverage” as in, to give cover for, makes excuses for
@germy: that was something
Cermet
Let me wrap my head around this – some fox news people are denouncing the orange fart cloud’s farting words about that white, right wing terrorist attack? Has someone move us to an alternate universe and not told me?
Brachiator
Damn, that was amazing. Sums up everything you need to know about Fox News.
The Moar You Know
Again: “Both Sides Do It” is carved over the gates of Hell.
??? Martin
First my wife and now Kimmel. Lay the fuck off the Star Wars wallpaper – it looks great in the kitchen.
Major Major Major Major
@Pangloss: god, it feels like the Mooch was three months ago…
Brachiator
@father pussbucket:
Probably a bad autocorrect for “cave.”
ETA. Funny if my autocorrect screws up, too.
TenguPhule
@Pangloss:
And yet they’re still standing by him.
F them all.
HyperSphericalCow
@A Ghost To Most: I made the same comment at LGM, but here’s a pro-tip: if there is a warrant out for your arrest, you probably should not post a publicly visible video that will almost certainly lead the police to your exact location.
nonynony
@Pangloss:
Holy shit – that can’t be right! That was at the beginning of the summer, right?
Check for the date – July 24th. Three weeks.
It feels like months since that happened.
Jesus – usually the presidency prematurely ages the president. This is the first presidency I’ve lived through that I feel like is prematurely aging ME. Even during W’s era of misrule it felt like I could at least count on time to pass at a normal rate.
TenguPhule
@The Moar You Know:
Gonna need more Dante.
Yarrow
@Major Major Major Major:
It really does.
I remarked on that Tucker Carlson image last night. “Tucker’s Thoughts.” That is not a real thing.
Brachiator
@The Moar You Know:
Yeah, I think that Dante referred to this in one of the cantos of his Inferno.
TenguPhule
@nonynony:
No kidding.
it feels like 3 months.
??? Martin
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: He means that if Fox defends him, he’ll keep doing this and not get out of the situation. The only voice Trump hears in his head right now is Fox and Friends. If they say it was bad, he’ll know it was bad. In fact, it’s the only way he’ll know its bad. IOW, Fox and Friends is the only moral compass the nation has. They’re his superego.
In case anyone was wondering just how severely fucked we are.
SiubhanDuinne
@father pussbucket:
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Apparently it refers to a superhero’s cape. Seems odd to turn it into a verb, but that’s probably just me.
Iowa Old Lady
I’ve been out of town at my MIL’s memorial service so I’ve not seen much news, but I’m just floored at how this thing goes on and on and gets worse and worse. Mr IOL keeps saying this is Trump’s Katrina.
jl
@Cermet: They seem to be conflicted. I wonder how many of the media people understand that the issue of what to do with some Jim Crow era Confederate monuments is just a cover story. The people behind this are full blown Nazi/KKK white supremacists. They are eager to preach to all the gentile whites about how the sinister Jews have come close to victory in eliminating the gentile white race. They are using the monument issue to preach and recruit. Everyone heard their chants about the Jews in the news videos, and the leaders are pretty much saying it out loud and thanking Trump for his support. Genocide, mass expulsions, ghettos for a very long list of people are what they want. Maybe even, when the time comes for some of the pseudo-white ethnics they let ride along with them at Charlottesville, in order to fill out their ranks for the news clips.
LongHairedWeirdo
You know, I keep hearing about “antifa” and what I always hear is about “people in black masks”.
I don’t hear about “antifa spokesperson (soandso)”. I don’t hear about “antifa rally at (x_location)”.
And, while I hear of “Antifa counter-protesters rushing in with clubs” I don’t hear “dozens of concussions, contusions, and broken bones treated at local hospitals.” Why not? THAT is what a CLUB does to people!
(It would be wrong if people were whacking right-wingers with a stick, causing welts, minor bruises, pain, and “you could put an eye out!” But they don’t say “there were nasty bullying jerkwads” – they say “we were rushed with clubs.”)
I don’t want to ignore the speck in my own eye while talking about the entire-frickin’-forest in the nazi-eyes, but… what evidence do we have of this “antifa” ‘organization’? Because I hear *about* them, from rightwingers whining about them, and that’s it.
Gelfling 545
Q for my fellow non-Trump, non-Clinton voters: At what point should we regret not going Hillary?
A. Last November.
germy
This is brilliant and heartbreaking:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2017/08/16/what-if-western-media-covered-americas-white-tribalism-the-same-way-it-covers-other-nations/?utm_term=.badc4713b5f2
Karen Attiah is one of the greats over at WaPo.
father pussbucket
It occurs to me that the Kessler syndrome is a good metaphor for the current situation. Also, the “would you believe?” trope from Get Smart.
LurkerNoLonger
Has this Bartiromo woman always been this dopey or is she doing it for the Benjamins?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Yarrow: Tucker Carlson is not unlike trump, he has a huge trust fund but no degree of humiliation– from being gently taunted by Rachel Maddow back in the day* to shimmying in a bedazzled puffyshirt on “Dancing with the the “Stars”” to being hired and fired by pretty much every cable network– is worth giving up the ultimate goal: Being On TeeVee!
* Back when MSNBC was trying to figure out how to back out of the FoxLite lane they were in for most of the Bush years, Tucker had an early evening show that was supposed be hip and irreverent and youthful in its conservatism. It was I’m pretty sure how then Air America host Rachel Maddow got her foot in the door there, an occasional segment on Tucker during which you could tell she made him very nervous.
SFAW
@A Ghost To Most:
How about strychnine, arsenic, or blowing your “brains” out? Or maybe jump in front of a speeding Kenworth? Yee-haw!
Which is doubtless why you and all the other Nazi snowflakes felt a big need to whip out and display your (as Atrios calls them) external death peni$e$.
One way for all you racist, anti-Semitic, neo-Nazi motherfuckers to “make this peaceful” is to kill yourselves before any more “rallies.”
TenguPhule
@Iowa Old Lady:
That’s next month, actually.
nonynony
@Iowa Old Lady:
This should be significantly worse than Trump’s Katrina. With Katrina W didn’t cause the hurricane, he just was a useless dumbfuck whose incompetence and corruption led to the disastrous emergency response in the aftermath. Here Trump’s pandering and stroking of Nazis led to the tragedy in the first place.
Unfortunately even Katrina didn’t get W out of office. We still had to put up with him until the end of that second term.
germy
Major Major Major Major
@LongHairedWeirdo: it’s a self-identifying loose ‘movement’, I believe. I have friends who ‘belong’. Inspired by the ‘antifa’ in other countries who got/get into street skirmishes with fascists. I have friends on FB who self identify and go to meetings and such.
Gelfling 545
@Cermet: Charles Godhelpus Krauthammer called Trump a moral disgrace. We live in strange times.
Adam L Silverman
@father pussbucket: Probably supposed to be cave.
germy
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@germy: i don’t foresee any possible trouble in a loudmouth racist rightwing demagogue being the husband of the US Ambassador to the Vatican (Has that insult to Catholics the wold over been confirmed by the Senate yet?)
Gelfling 545
@Brachiator: Does your auto correct add random words? Mine does. Is this a case for an exorcist?
Adam L Silverman
@A Ghost To Most: Chelsea Manning weighs maybe 130 lbs soaking wet. And from every report was completely ate up in basic training and unable to actually cause physical harm to anyone or anything.
Yarrow
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I remember he had a show on MSNBC. I didn’t watch it, but…
That’s hilarious. He’s always seemed middle-aged to me. How in the world would he appeal to a young demographic? At best he’d be grandma’s favorite.
Roger Moore
Late evening, November 8, 2016.
jl
@LongHairedWeirdo: ” but… what evidence do we have of this “antifa” ‘organization’? Because I hear *about* them, from rightwingers whining about them, and that’s it. ”
i think we know that they weren’t a significant factor at Charlottesville. The anarchists (called black bloc and some of antifa) have shown up to riot with the Trumpsters in the SF Bay Area recently. And when that has happened both have been roundly condemned. I suppose those groups are what Trump maybe thinks he is talking about with his mysterious ‘alt-left’ blather. But I haven’t seen any evidence that antifa or black bloc had much at all to do with the demonstrations in VA.
I think one of the reasons that so many people are disturbed by Trump’s BS, is that he is describing something that everyone can see just did not happen last weekend. What he says is just not true.
nonynony
@LongHairedWeirdo:
I am a non-violent man, and I will agree with this as a general approach to right-wing jerkwads of the typical variety. You should not be beating the crap out of people who are chanting that Taxation is Theft or Abortion is Murder or even Build A Wall. Discourse is appropriate here and letting them have their say is important.
On the other hand – if someone is advocating that you and yours should be sent to the ovens because of your race, I think they should count themselves lucky that they get out of there with just some bruises and some broken bones. I’m a tolerant man, but you will never get me to tolerate Nazis.
Adam L Silverman
@Iowa Old Lady: Depends. Is Katrina white or is she Jewish? Or African American? Or Latina? Or Asian? Or mixed ethnicity? Or LGBTQ? Or all of the above? Or some of the above?
NotMax
@A Ghost To Most
May Mr. Cantwell have ample time in the slammer to catch up on H. P. Lovecraft and realize his works are not operating manuals.
Ksmiami
@SFAW: the only good Nazi is a dead Nazi. Sorry that’s where we are
jl
@Adam L Silverman: If a white ethnic, gets a free pass to join in the demos, for now.
Tarragon
@Gelfling 545:
October surely.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Roger Moore: I keep thinking of the way the French right sucked it up and asked their followers to vote for Macron– who as I understand was pretty much in line with their economic agenda anyway, but whatever. I think one prominent right-of-center pol lined up with LePen, and he’s kind of done. I’d bet that the majority of R Senators and Governors voted for Clinton (Kasich, Portman, certainly Collins, not sure if McCain came to believe his own silliness about Benghazi, he and HRC were said to be very friendly in the Senate– trump probably got LePage and Ron Johnson) ,
Adam L Silverman
@LurkerNoLonger: Bartiromo’s nickname is “The Money Honey”. She has her job because she was a Fox News Barbie before there was a Fox News. This is footage from the Archdiocese of New York’s Al Smith Charity Dinner:
Her husband is also Jewish.
Adam L Silverman
@SFAW: Take it down to about 6 on the dial!
The Moar You Know
@germy: Brilliant, but I’d change one thing in what I blockquoted, because it’s important:
“The chaos turned deadly when Heather Heyer, a member of the white ethnic majority who attended the rally as a counterprotester, was killed when a Nazi party member allegedly drove his car into a crowd.”
There is no “neo-Nazi”. These people are Nazis, straight up, and need to be universally referred to as such.
A Ghost To Most
@HyperSphericalCow: Nobody ever said they were smart, just evil.
TenguPhule
@Ksmiami:
And its only downhill from here.
A Ghost To Most
@LurkerNoLonger: Yes.
Westyny
@LurkerNoLonger:
Both.
TenguPhule
@nonynony:
An ounce of prevention would have alleviated the need to cure the disease by pounding them for being Nazis.
Major Major Major Major
Baltimore Pigeons Shocked To Find Beloved Shitting Statues Gone
HyperSphericalCow
Because nothing says “hip and youthful” like a bow tie.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
He abandoned Ayn Rand for Jesus, you know.
Don’t think it will happen, but I do like seeing a sitting MoC mention it
and, of course, she’s right, it should happen, I just don’t think it will
ETA: this is interesting, I went to check because I thought the 25th A required a unanimous vote of the Cabinet
“or other body as Congress may by law provide”? What does that mean? They can appoint a commission to vote on his fitness? They could designate, say, the gang of eight? that doesn’t seem plausible. It’d work for me, but I can’t imagine the bar for removal is that low
Adam L Silverman
@LongHairedWeirdo: @Major Major Major Major: It originally began as part of the punk movement in Europe. Specifically to shelter and shield those who just wanted to be part of the music scene without anything political from the racist skinhead offshoot that had developed within the punk rock community. Some of these would go on to become formalized anti-racist skinheads. Here in the US it is loosely organized and often conflated with the Black Bloc anarchists and other anarchist groups on the extreme left. More recently some of the white nationalists have begun impersonating antifa both online/social media and in real life at events and rallies to make it look like antifa is instigating violence and so the white nationalist can claim they are being targeted and victimized by an organized, violent leftist movement. I did a post about this a few months back. You can find it under my Silverman on Security tag.
a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio)
@SiubhanDuinne:
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
@father pussbucket:
Caping for someone means to stand up for someone, often in spite of knowing they’re in the wrong and need to sit down and shut up (at the very least). Sometimes this is done in a dramatic, if illogical fashion, perhaps intended to give the caper either the maximum exposure or to convince the capee that this person is really, truly on their side when no one else is.
The theory of derivation from superhero capes (where is Edna Mode when we need her?) is as good as anything. It’s a thing The Youngs say, and I feel myself it really suits some situations. Newt Gingrich, for example, is a reliable caper, because boy, does he live for an audience.
Shalimar
@LongHairedWeirdo: Google “black bloc”. That is who the white supremacists are actually afraid of.
Antifa is just an ad-hoc collection of various people who arise to counter neo-nazis when they organize in public.
The black bloc are organized anarchists who like to fight and riot, and take any opportunity they can find to start violence. Since they usually cover their faces, it is unknown how many of them are even leftists at all.
Adam L Silverman
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I’m going to laugh my ass off if the Holy See refuses to accept her credentials because of her and his past infidelities, her adultery with him, and the somewhat less than sacramentally okay status of their marriage as a result.
germy
NotMax
@Adam L. Silverman
Antifada?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Adam L Silverman: I believe I’ve read he converted, had his past marriages annulled and they’ve both received absolution– spread a little cash to the exes and The Timmy Dolan Roast Beef and Claret Fund and surprising things can happen, I expect. I snark as a lapsed Catholic who still has a lot of admiration for Catholics I know who are not like Timmy Dolan and the Gingriches
Adam L Silverman
@NotMax: oy vey
Mike in DC
@father pussbucket:
“Cape” –defend reflexively and dutifully, as a superhero putting on a cape.
The first i saw the term was in the African-American online community, so perhaps it more properly might be slang from AAVE(African American Vernacular English).
I’m white and might be mistaken, tho.
I just learned what “thot” means yesterday. :(
NotMax
@germy
Frank Rizzo was Bull Connor without the charm.
Adam L Silverman
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Kind of hard to have non Catholic marriages annulled.
JPL
This morning Trump mentioned Amazon’s unfair advantage over other retailers. At times, he has done that before the Post has written an explosive story about him, or his campaign. If they have something, I hope they don’t wait until Friday. The President and VP will be gathering at Camp David then. Cell Phone service is not great there, and we won’t be able to read his tweets.
germy
@Adam L Silverman: from wikipedia:
different-church-lady
@Gelfling 545: Everyone complains about autocorrect, but nobody ever turns it off.
Major Major Major Major
@Mike in DC:
Why the frowny face?
A Ghost To Most
@NotMax: I’ve seen antifada used as a slur by the alt-human cretins on WaPo.
They think it clever to invoke the Intifada as a perjorative for liberals.
The Moar You Know
@Adam L Silverman: Taking a page from the Oakland and SF police, I see. It was always kind of laughable to see a street protest there over something relatively peaceful, and then watch all these 6-2, 215 pound masked muscleheads with buzzcuts show up and start breaking windows and setting cars on fire, while all the real protesters would be screaming “stop!”
They finally got caught at it a few years back (literally unmasked after throwing rocks through windows, and one pulled his service weapon and flashed his badge) but they still do it. It works.
Mike in DC
@Major Major Major Major:
It’s not a very nice expression. “That Ho Over There”.
Major Major Major Major
@Mike in DC: I know, it sounded like you were sad to have not known it, must have read it backwards.
different-church-lady
@Adam L Silverman: At this point we can pretty much take it as guaranteed that every single conspiracy theory that trends on the alt-right internet will eventually come out of Trump’s mouth (and/or Twitter feed).
a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio)
@Gelfling 545: There are two really reliable things about Krauthammer–he’s always angry, and he’s vehemently opposed to toleration of anything antisemitic–even if that turns out to be only antisemitic in his eyes. Hand him actual swastika-flag-waving Nazis on a silver platter and he will have the reaction we’re seeing–no matter how much he had agreed with these people on other issues in the past. Apologizing, defending, or making excuses for said Nazis will put you in the hot seat with them, as far as he’s concerned.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
If this happened under Ratzinger, I wouldn’t be surprised by any paperwork Dolan, Chaput or someone like them was able to get. There were rumors that Bart Stupak threw a wrench into Obamacare late in the process cause he was promised some kind of papal knighthood. Rossi is a priest who acted as Gingrich’s purchasing agent I mean spiritual mentor in his conversion.
Of course, if his first wife is dead, I guess they could claim he’s a widower.
Jeffro
@germy: That Rogers tweet is so harsh, even I almost felt a little pity for Newt. Almost.
Joey Maloney
@Iowa Old Lady: @Iowa Old Lady: As we type parts of New Orleans are still awash due to heavy rain and pump failures. The federal government has offered no assistance.
Adam L Silverman
@germy:
NotMax
Still urge people to call their Congresscritters and and ask them to put pressure on their compatriots from states which have placed Confederates in statuary hall to replace them.
And if you’re in one of those states – AL, MS, NC, SC, VA – call and apply direct pressure. In FL, urge them to speed up the replacement, which was approved last year but not yet undertaken.
Kraux Pas
Another gem from young, up-and-coming Faux News douche nozzle; Jessie Watters; those criticizing Trump for not calling out white supremacy by name are hypocrites because those same people don’t want him to say “radical Islam.”
He says we should name names. I agree, but last I checked no one committing any of these acts were called radical Islam. So let’s name names; Hamas, the KKK, Osama Bin Laden, James Alex fields, Stormfront, and ISIL. Reciting “radical Islam” like a magical incantation doesn’t shed light on anything, it casts a religion as an enemy. Stop trying to drum up sympathy for America’s bigots with a squid cloud of othering.
Ksmiami
@TenguPhule:@TenguPhule: first disrupt their funding, then isolate them from the “decent” Republicans (as much as it pains me to say this) then obliterate them. despite their weapons they are no match for military drones
Adam L Silverman
@a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio): This is all you need to know about Krauthammer:
http://washingtonmonthly.com/2006/08/09/a-personal-moment-with-charles-krauthammer/
Shalimar
@Adam L Silverman: If it were any administration other than Trump’s, all those hurdles would have been cleared in private negotiations before nominating her. I assume they still were, there were several weeks between floating her name and the actual nomination, but given the incompetence everywhere, it wouldn’t shock me to find out the White House checked public media for blowback but never bothered to actually ask the Vatican.
LurkerNoLonger
@germy: I have that album and I remember that song. It amazes me what people like Bartiromo will say and do for a paycheck.
ET
Fox looks like it is bit schizophrenic between the tweeters above versus all of the other tweeters and Tucker (based on what I saw yesterday). That would be an interesting cage match.
Miss Bianca
@nonynony:
I feel you.
Adam L Silverman
Frankensteinbeck
@A Ghost To Most:
And this is why I’m not afraid of widespread violence. They’re chickenshits. They’re so used to white privilege they can’t imagine facing real opposition. They are miniature versions of their god, Trump. An increase in hate crimes and the occasional small-scale domestic terrorism act, sure, but none of that is new, and it’s multiple orders of magnitude below waves of terror or ethnic cleansings.
@Adam L Silverman:
Good for her. Large, muscular transwomen can suffer so much self-esteem pain because it’s hard to look feminine during and after transition. Any who can go through the process and look pretty is lucky, and I applaud her. Hell, I don’t even like Manning, but I’m glad she has the figure for transition.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: forgot the link, a write-up of Gingrich’s conversion by Melinda Hennenberger, the Wapo’s onetime professional Catholic scold. I remember her from the debate over birth control and Obamacare, the infamous all-male review convened by Darrell Issa, she showed up on an Ash Wednesday on MSNBC with the big, blackest forehead smear I’d ever seen to bemoan Obama’s hostility to Catholics.
West of the Rockies (been a while)
@Major Major Major Major:
They’ll regret it as soon as Trump voters lament their own votes.
JPL
@Miss Bianca:It hasn’t been a week since we threatened to invade Venezuela. He’s doing too much.
Mike J
@Mike in DC:
You mostly see “cape” used when gamer gaters are attacking a woman. Any man that speaks up in her defense is said to being caping for her, and the implication is that he doesn’t really mean any of it, he’s just trying to get laid by defending her.
Major Major Major Major
@Adam L Silverman:
Well, at least he was already in the mood.
@Mike J: I thought that was ‘white knighting’.
Adam L Silverman
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: The current Pope is not a fan of this type of stuff. Nor of Dolan. I think there’s a good chance he refuses her credentials and sends her home.
Miss Bianca
@SFAW: this guy is afraid of *Chelsea Manning* coming to “curb stomp” him?
Well, at least he didn’t say he was afraid of being p*ssy-whipped.
lamh36
Ugh, I’m tired of all this…smh…it’s time for me to take an Idris break…see ya on the flip side…maybe…
Gelfling 545
@Adam L Silverman: Perhaps “foot”age is not quite the word.
West of the Rockies (been a while)
@??? Martin:
Can’t tell you how pleased I am with my velvet Wookie Jesus print! Got it scotchtaped to my big wall in the living room near my Jabba cookie jar!
Adam L Silverman
@Frankensteinbeck: Okay. I was just making the point that big, tough guy neo-NAZI was scared of someone who isn’t very physically intimidating.
john carter
Just when we thought “covfefe” was about as nuts as he could be…
Adam L Silverman
@Frankensteinbeck: Also, I give you Janae Marie Kroc:
http://www.muscleandfitness.com/athletes-celebrities/interviews/transgender-powerlifter-matt-kroczaleski-janae-marie-kroc-shares-unbelievable-story
Gelfling 545
@different-church-lady: I don’t know how it works for others but it never STAYS turned off on my iPad. If I completely shut it down and restart -voilà – autocorrect returns.
a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio)
@Adam L Silverman: I remember reading about that incident at the time. He is never not angry.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Pangloss: Lovely, they’re the kind of racists even the Confederates would have considered nutters.
Adam L Silverman
@Gelfling 545: I remember posting the live feed of that event here because both candidates made remarks and making several comments about the camera person’s seeming inability to not have Bartiromo’s chest in every shot.
germy
@Adam L Silverman: Ah yes, the guys who put Atwater and Rove on their campaign payrolls.
West of the Rockies (been a while)
@Adam L Silverman:
They denounce his stance but not the man. Sad!
Adam L Silverman
@a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio): He should really see a psychiatrist… Er, umm…
NotMax
As it’s an Open Thread, one step forward in the Middle East.
Also (unrelated), FYI:
Gelfling 545
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: If he married the second wife while the first was alive it would not have been considered a valid marriage in the RC Church.
trollhattan
@Adam L Silverman:
One imagines it was Obama’s fault. Krauthammer seems to have limitless Obama animosity, and he was probably just having a Yom Kippur snap triggered by the then president.
Major Major Major Major
@lamh36: I thought you meant a break *from* Idris!
@Adam L Silverman: Psychiatrists should definitely see psychiatrists.
@NotMax: Are any of the potential locations black holes?
Shalimar
@Yarrow: I remember Tucker’s show on MSNBC. Willie Geist was his newsreader, and they tried to out-fratboy each other even though Carlson was approaching 40. It was the smarmiest, cringe-inducing thing I can ever recall watching.
Mike J
@Major Major Major Major: I’ve definitely seen that term used that way, and thought I had seen cape used the same way. I could be wrong. they seem similar though.
Mnemosyne
I honestly don’t know how we deprogram the morons who watched MOTHERFUCKNG NAZIS MARCHING IN THE STREET WITH TORCHES WHILE CHANTING “JEWS WILL NOT REPLACE US” and continue bleating … but her emails …
I saw one of them on Facebook yesterday. She claimed to have been “anti-fascist her whole life,” but when she saw an actual, real-life fascist, she said to herself, This is fine.
ruckus
@Yarrow:
Middle aged is young to the faux news crowd.
Adam L Silverman
@NotMax: I think Jordan scrapped their version of this a couple of weeks ago. Or there working on it. Just kind of caught the article in passing.
Shalimar
@Major Major Major Major: There is an old joke about psychologists: they choose their field to reassure themselves that everyone else is as crazy as they are.
Adam L Silverman
@trollhattan: This happened during the Bush 43 Administration.
Frankensteinbeck
@Adam L Silverman:
I got you. I just wanted to state how happy I am for her.
Rest assured, nobody is more contemptuously aware of what chickenshits these guys are than me. Like their god Trump, they abuse others only when they think the odds are not merely heavily stacked in their favor, but they will face absolutely no danger or repercussions whatsoever. Yes, I think if Chelsea Manning came after them, they would wet their pants and run away sobbing and looking for a place to hide.
NotMax
@Adam L. Silverman
Progress be progress.
TenguPhule
@Mnemosyne:
20 years hard labor on federal farms overseen by imported Mexican overseers. With actual whips and quotas.
They’ll learn or they won’t.
Either way, cheap fresh fruits and veggies!
Gelfling 545
@Adam L Silverman: well, it certainly attracts attention.
Betty Cracker
@nonynony:
A little too long to immortalize in needlepoint on a pillow, but damn, I’m tempted. So. True.
Shalimar
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Jackie Gingrich only died 4 years ago, long after his 3rd marriage and Catholic conversion.
Frankensteinbeck
@Shalimar:
Coming from a family with two of them and a third who considered the field, I can tell you that’s not far from the truth. The field overwhelmingly attracts people with mild mental illness problems, both because they want to learn how to treat themselves, and because their first-hand experience makes the subject interesting.
Yarrow
Holy shit. Just saw a promo on CNN for a Live Town Hall with Paul Ryan. Monday at 9 p.m. That is going to be an epic train wreck. “Why won’t you allow articles of impeachment of Donald Trump to go forward?
sherparick
@germy: As opposed to Newt and Trump, pandering to white, racist, audience that celebrates the symbols of treason and slavery.
There is a fine, old American tradition about pulling down statutes after their time has passed.
See: http://www.smithsoniansource.org/display/primarysource/popup.aspx?PrimarySourceId=1077
Gerald Parks
@A Ghost To Most: THE face of the oppressed white male … oppressed in America! Yeehaw!
TenguPhule
@Yarrow:
Sorry, Yarrow, there is no Fitzmas in August.
germy
Spanky
Hmmmm.
“No hurry, folks. No need to rush.”
SiubhanDuinne
Just got an email from a friend/former colleague/former car-pool passenger:
This is a few degrees of separation from me, but still brings it close to home.
NotMax
@Adam L. Silverman
Also too, in Lebanon I strongly doubt this would have passed without Hamas signing off on it, which makes it of some additional interest to foreign affairs tea leaf readers.
ruckus
@different-church-lady:
I have. It still shows words that I have managed to apply dyslexia or just poor spelling to. It just doesn’t mis- correct them.
Kathleen
@Adam L Silverman: No it really is cape. It’s what the young cool people say on the Twitterz.
TenguPhule
@germy:
Other then he’s obviously not trusted by the investigating team.
West of the Rockies (been a while)
@Shalimar:
Worse than when Hannity tries to reveal his manliness by throwing foam footballs?
TenguPhule
@Spanky:
Sessions is a bad person.
Adam L Silverman
@NotMax: I think you mean Hezbullah.
john carter
Meanwhile, as we put up with Donald’s Kampf…
While People are being fired, leaks happening, Nutzies getting presidential vetting, golfing vacations, race relations enjoying the best times since the 50s and 60s (/s), healthcare getting nixed (as we all probably knew it would), America’s National Parks are being sold to the highest bidder, we’re going to drill in the cold north waters (screw the polar bears), Westinghouse may be making coal-fired stoves and furnaces again, regulations on building safe structures are being ripped to shreds, the ICE ICE (say it together fast) is deporting a few bad illegals and lots of Catholics (while putting an “M” on their forearms – just kidding…I think ), and Carl Sagan;s Nuclear Winter is a REAL possibility…am I going too fast?
Business seems to be laughing all the way to Wall Street.
By the way, I’m tired of the term Climate Change. It’s Global Warming for goodness sake! Climate changes all the time. But the wording makes it so much innocently yuppier.
Global Warming…coming to a planet near you!
JPL
@john carter: Those were the good old days.
After yesterday’s press conference, I doubt the media will say he’s growing with the job, or he’s turned the corner.
trollhattan
@Adam L Silverman: Well in that case, what the hell, Chuckie?!? Hard to imagine a more Bibiphillic administration…okay, ignoring the present one.
NotMax
@Adam L. Silverman
You are correct.
Brain fart on my part.
efgoldman
@A Ghost To Most:
ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES you reeking pile of nazi pigshit. Deal with it.
Miss Bianca
@germy: I particularly liked this detail:
LOLsob
jacy
@Adam L Silverman: on the contrary, non-catholic matriages are very easily annulled. I had my first marriage annulled on the grounds that neither of us were Catholic and it was immediately granted.v
trollhattan
@SiubhanDuinne:
Wow. Based on a friend’s experience, broken pelvis is profoundly dangerous and very challenging for even a young person to recover from, depending on severity. My buddy, a cyclist and the epitome of health had one a couple years ago and his doc cautiously advises perhaps 80% of its former strength if everything goes perfectly.
I hope she does well and gets out of hospital soon.
Yarrow
@TenguPhule: Nixon resigned in August. History can repeat itself.
TenguPhule
@john carter:
You haven’t been paying attention to the currency markets then.
SFAW
@Adam L Silverman:
Sorry, Adam, but these Nazis (and RWNJs in general) are the biggest set of whiners and snowflakes this side of a three-year-old. I thought a “helpful” suggestion was in order, but I’ll try to ease up. Although, in fairness, I was not advocating that others do harm to those whiners. (Not that it isn’t tempting to do so.)
The thing that bothers me the most is that they carry around (presumably) loaded weapons, intending to make others (i.e., those not like them) afraid — as we saw with the synagogue story posted earlier — and are clearly scared little boys if they don’t have an AR-15 (or whatever) to fondle. The NRA having successfully (for the most part) emasculated the gun-control laws means that those sick bastards have pretty much free run.
TenguPhule
@Miss Bianca:
That it makes perfect sense somehow makes it even worse.
Tilda Swintons Bald Cap
Hmmm… re Pence returning early.
efgoldman
@jl:
Sure it did..
Just like the thousands of Muslims he saw cheering and dancing in Jersey City when the towers came down,
Christ what an asshole.
randy khan
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
If neither of the first two marriages were Catholic marriages, they don’t count in the Catholic Church. So, actually, they probably were not much of a hurdle to the conversion and third marriage.
Shalimar
@West of the Rockies (been a while): I have thankfully never watched Hannity. He sounds horrible enough when I read about his various issues.
TenguPhule
@SFAW:
They’re not scared. They want to scare and hurt others. They’re not little boys, they’re fucking Nazis.
No more giving them any white privilege for their behavior. They want to act as Terrorists and Fascists, treat them as such. Its long past time for the rightwingers get demonized into the greatest threat the world has ever seen. Because they actually are.
A Ghost to Most
@Kathleen:
I’ll bet them yunguns wear radishes on their belt, instead of onions
/imsoold
TenguPhule
@Yarrow:
Requires honorable Republicans not in evidence.
jl
@efgoldman: The Trump lies are closer to home for a lot of white folk now, close enough for at least some of the m to take the implications seriously.
Aka the “ You can like about the other guy,
Don’t lie about you and I.” crowd.
low-tech cyclist
So: when I call up my Congresscritters, WHAT’S MY ASK?
Cole says, “They Won’t Do a Fucking Thing About Him” and maybe they won’t. But they damn sure won’t do anything if nobody’s leaning on them to do something.
So what’s the ask? Short of impeachment (which they’re really not going to do), what do we want Congress to do here? What’s the frickin’ ASK??
I’m on vacation this week and next. I can call my Congresscritters every day, since I don’t have to work around my work schedule. What should I be asking for??
NotMax
@A Ghost To Most
Kale.
Or avocados.
TenguPhule
@low-tech cyclist:
Holding a vote on a clean debt ceiling hike would be nice.
SiubhanDuinne
@trollhattan:
Thanks. I hope to be kept informed.
Это курам на смех
@Shalimar:
No, Donnie, these men are not leftists. They are nihilists.
Mnemosyne
@Adam L Silverman:
Doesn’t matter. She’s a transgender woman and therefore the scariest thing on the face of the earth. ?
A Ghost to Most
@Frankensteinbeck:
I agree, for most of them. Some of them are hard cases, and may try to coerce the the sympathizers, or just cause mayhem by themselves
I’ve been thinking over my family and their friends, trying to sort them into cowards and hard cases.
Yep, mostly cowards.
jl
@Это курам на смех: ” They are nihilists. ” To be fair, that is just what they say about themselves.
Mnemosyne
@a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio):
True fact: I am wearing an Edna Mode shirt right now. It says, “Not All Heroes Wear Capes.”
Mike in Pasadena
@germy: Newt and McConnell along with Fox are three things most responsible for the sad state of our country. Anytime Newt opens his mouth, his depraved morals should be shoved right down his throat. That was a great reply tweet. Thanks for sharing it. I would not otherwise have seen it because I seldom look at Twitter, it turns my stomach, especially because Hair Twitter uses it.
different-church-lady
@Frankensteinbeck:
Narrow-spread violence can be a bitch. (See “Bombing, Oklahoma City.”)
Yarrow
@low-tech cyclist:
Clean debt ceiling vote.
With regards to Trump, tell them that he’s not fit to be President. If you want, you could ask them to support the article of impeachment brought by Reps. Al Green and Brad Sherman and push for it to go forward.
A Ghost to Most
@NotMax: I need to keep up.
Yarrow
@Mnemosyne: Hey, did you get your recipes?
NotMax
@Mnemosyne
Classic super-hero costume/cape scene. Ma Kent’s comment to Clark at about the halfway point is the highlight.
efgoldman
@A Ghost to Most:
Any of them that show up in Boston this weekend with firearms are going to be surprised when the weapons are confiscated and they get arrested and charged.
Ksmiami
@TenguPhule: Yes and as a gentle reminder, one cannot claim to be a patriotic American while carrying the banner of the Confederacy, or wearing a swastika. These maggots have shown us who they are- they deserve no sympathy or aid
Juju
@LurkerNoLonger: In answer to your question about Bartiromo, yes.
A Ghost to Most
@TenguPhule: I’ve seen a couple of articles about Night of the Long Tiki Torches parade participants who were only there for the lulz, and to be assholes. Lotsa cosplay Nazis there
different-church-lady
@efgoldman: Ga-run-tee there will be at least a few who get arrested in their cars long before the rally.
different-church-lady
@A Ghost to Most: There were no lulz.
Omnes Omnibus
@Adam L Silverman: Good old Cabbagemallet.
lgerard
@A Ghost to Most:
Broflakes discover there are no lulz in eliminationist rhetoric when it is aimed at them
A Ghost to Most
@Ksmiami: this. Even if you are a decorated war hero, if you wave the Nazi flag, that is all forfeit.
A Ghost to Most
@different-church-lady: They thought so.
NotMax
@efgoldman
Update on Boston.
(Not news to you as you are in their media market, mostly.)
A Ghost to Most
@Omnes Omnibus: Slawpeen hammer.
Omnes Omnibus
@Mnemosyne: People who claim to be anti fascist have many opportunities to demonstrate that stance these days.
Mnemosyne
@Yarrow:
No. There’s a problem with the website that they’re working on. ?
The really annoying part is that my farm box arrived today, so I have fresh produce that needs to be dealt with, and no recipes.
Mnemosyne
@A Ghost to Most:
Turns out that when you get tear-gassed or pepper-sprayed in real life, you can’t just quit the game and go back a level. ?
@Omnes Omnibus:
You’d think, but apparently guys carrying swastikas while dressed as Donald Trump isn’t triggering some people’s “fascist” alarm because Hillary Would Have Been Even Worse For Reasons.
Yarrow
@Mnemosyne: Oh, that sucks. Sorry to hear that. Could you contact them and get them to send you something via email maybe? Just to get started.
A Ghost to Most
@Mnemosyne: Or lose your job irl after you were identified, as one of the lulz guys found out.
SFAW
@TenguPhule:
The two are not mutually exclusive.
I meant developmentally, not unlike the Whiner/Snowflake/Cokehead-in-Chief.
sukabi
@The Moar You Know: scratch the “alledgedly”. It’s recorded on multiple sources for everyone to see…as is the Nazi participating in the protest with torches and screaming Nazi slogans.
Yea, I know it’s allegedly a point of law. And it is a FACT that the asshole is guilty of murder.
Mike Furlan
I’m surprised that no one referenced this ironic film clip.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulCw7RJ5eE8
SgrAstar
@Adam L Silverman: I’d just like to note that the Bushes failed to mention trump in their condemnation of Bad Behavior. Toothless sanctimony, not very impressive.
low-tech cyclist
@Yarrow:
Sure, I can make some of the same calls I might’ve made if Charlottesville hadn’t happened. But we want to use this moment of GOP vulnerability in some meaningful way, right?
I’ve already called my Representative to support impeachment. An unrealistic near-term goal, perhaps, but I’ve always been of the mindset to say what you really want, before you start talking about what you’re willing to try to get right now.
So yeah, what are we trying to get in the short run? And specifically, what should we be asking our Senators for with respect to Charlottesville, since they’re not involved with impeachment until the House votes for it?
NotMax
@low-tech cyclist
One thing would be to request they publicly disavow any support for or ties to Dolt 45, using his name, and pledge to continue doing so.
Patricia Kayden
DeAndre Harris’ severe, videotaped beating at the hands of Nazis has resulted in zero arrests by the police.
I don’t understand why the police haven’t made any arrests given that the video tape clearly shows the perpetrators of violence against this man who will live with the physical and psychological harm from this attack for the rest of his life. He needs to sue the organizers of the rally along with the three other women who have done so.
Kathleen
@A Ghost to Most: OMG. I’m so old when I went to The Googullzzz to find what “onion on my belt” meant because I’ve been seeing it a lot lately, just like I’ve been seeing a lot of white vans on the street which remind me of L&O SVU plot lines (have you ever notice how “Hudson University” is like a running gag in all of the L&O franchises) in fact a guy in a white van at 5:00 yesterday morning asked me if I wanted a piece of pizza while I was jogging then he told me it was breakfast pizza and was thankful for all the L&O episodes that featured people in white vans who invariably were up to no good. What was I talking about again? Oh, yeah. I was going to say I think I resemble that remark about the onions on the belt The End.
Patricia Kayden
@A Ghost To Most: He should end his own suffering.
Patricia Kayden
@Adam L Silverman: Why not directly go after Trump? Why such a mealy mouth comment which even Trump would agree with? The issue is not just that White Supremacists are running amuck, it’s why they’re running amuck. They feel empowered by the Bigot-in-Chief. All statements about Charlottesville must point this out.
Mike Furlan
@Patricia Kayden: I think it is probable that the folks who tore down the Durham CSA shrine will server more jail time than the murderous Nazi mob in Charlottesville.
Betty
@Shalimar: The Catholic Church also does not recognize civil marriages, only those performed by clergy. Maybe that’s an explanation.@Shalimar:
TenguPhule
@Mnemosyne:
When in doubt, make soup.