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Come for the politics, stay for the snark.
Lick the third rail, it tastes like chocolate!
The desire to stay informed is directly at odds with the need to not be constantly enraged.
Let there be snark.
This fight is for everything.
We will not go quietly into the night; we will not vanish without a fight.
When they say they are pro-life, they do not mean yours.
Not all heroes wear capes.
Nancy smash is sick of your bullshit.
Republicans cannot even be trusted with their own money.
A sufficient plurality of insane, greedy people can tank any democratic system ever devised, apparently.
President Musk and Trump are both poorly raised, coddled 8 year old boys.
Jack be nimble, jack be quick, hurry up and indict this prick.
Republicans: The threats are dire, but my tickets are non-refundable!
Marge, god is saying you’re stupid.
Jack Smith: “Why did you start campaigning in the middle of my investigation?!”
When tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty. ~Thomas Jefferson
Accused of treason; bitches about the ratings. I am in awe.
Our messy unity will be our strength.
Do we throw up our hands or do we roll up our sleeves? (hint, door #2)
Let’s not be the monsters we hate.
“In the future, this lab will be a museum. do not touch it.”
If you still can’t see these things even now, maybe politics isn’t your forte and you should stop writing about it.
America is going up in flames. The NYTimes fawns over MAGA celebrities. No longer a real newspaper.
There are no moderate republicans – only extremists and cowards.
Baud
We all voted for Hillary. We’re not the problem.
TenguPhule
Avoid it till its over!
Omnes Omnibus
Not getting out of the boat.
Study pantload, the emotionally unavailable unicorn
Drink? But then, some of us want to live till the next admin. I think for me, the answer is, read everyone else’s comments.
West of the Rockies (been a while)
@Omnes Omnibus:
Absolutely god damned right…
sharl
Meanwhile, in breaking Navy news
ETA: A follow-up tweet from NBC said he will be relieved, not that it has already happened. So, whatever…
schrodingers_cat
Sorry but no. Not going to watch.
Adam L Silverman
@sharl: That is not surprising.
?BillinGlendaleCA
I ain’t watching that shit. Na ganna da.
JCJ
#Resist
SiubhanDuinne
Reposted from somewhere downstairs:
BruceFromOhio
a) Don’t click on it.
b) Drink and smoke until the world goes away.
c) When it comes back, follow the “Get Involved!” instructions in the upper right of the blog.
d) Other duties as assigned.
ETA: @JCJ: ooh, I like this one better, easier to follow.
Adam L Silverman
@schrodingers_cat:
Schlemazel
@sharl:
vice Admiral? Why would the Navy need an Admiral for that sort of thing?
I’m with OO and West – my liver would never forgive me if I watched this
debit
I trust that others with nerves of steel and iron livers will watch and report. I can’t do it.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
pray to the old gods, and the news, that there is no physical violence
mai naem mobile
Oh,heavenly father please give Bob Mueller all the tools he needs and more swiftly, very swiftly to kick Dolt 45 and all the GOP leaders out of government and into orange jumpsuits in Southern prisons with no air conditioning. Okay, heavenly lord I’ll be happy just to see them gone. Okay thx bai .
efgoldman
@sharl:
Doesn’t matter. His career is over, as are those of both destroyer captains and senior officers.
Fair Economist
Is Aucoin plausibly (ir)responsible for the navigation failures or is he just a scalp?
Adam L Silverman
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: This is why I’m watching it.
sharl
@Adam L Silverman: No, given the four ship mishaps in 7th Fleet in just 2017 alone, that
is notwould not be a surprise at all. Although – as I added in an ETA above – in their eagerness to be first to post, NBC got sloppy in their wording in a potentially critical way (see tweet below). So probably best to consider it unconfirmed until there is an official announcement.EBT
@Fair Economist: Inasmuch as his captains are his responsibility.
mike in dc
I wonder what President 21% of the Non-White Vote is going to say tonight to bring his numbers even lower.
hedgehog mobile
Imma watch the Rockies. I’ll read everyone else’s comments on Nuremberg in the Desert.
Adam L Silverman
@Fair Economist: He’s the fleet commander. He’s had two Arleigh Burke class destroyers and two Ticonderoga class guided missile cruisers have navigation related incidents (three collisions and one grounding) in under 8 months on his watch. He obviously wasn’t on any of those ships, but they were part of his fleet.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Adam L Silverman:
Cole should pay you 10x what he’s paying you, hazard pay.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I intensely dislike John McCain, for many reasons, and I think he’s overrated, in many ways, but…. Jesus.
(also, per The Rachel Maddow, Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke being investigated by his own department’s IG for his threats against Lisa Murkowski during the health care debate)
mai naem mobile
Shouldn’t they be playing the music frim Psycho when Pence walks in? Oh,mother…mmmothhhuurr…pleeeze mother.
BruceFromOhio
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Dammit, Jim, I’m a doctor, not a magician.
My apologies for my cynicism and mistrust of current event, but it is only a matter of time before it happens, and it will be more than some asshole in a car running into people.
opiejeanne
@Adam L Silverman: Oh shit, Adam. As if I weren’t already scared because I will need cataract surgery sometime soon.
JWR
@SiubhanDuinne: THE LITTLE DUMBER BOY
Saw that below, and loved every word. Thanks!
Cheryl Rofer
Thanks, Adam, for finding these live feeds and making them available.
Adam L Silverman
@?BillinGlendaleCA: He doesn’t pay me anything. It’s why I live in a cardboard box over a steam grate and leech my internet off of the building next door.
Adam L Silverman
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Not a big surprise in that investigation.
schrodingers_cat
@?BillinGlendaleCA: 10*0 is still zero.
Adam L Silverman
@opiejeanne: Sorry. I had lasik before I went to Iraq. You’ll be fine.
EmbraceYourInnerCrone
@Fair Economist – Just speculating from past observations but generally speaking 4 collisions (McCain, Fitzgerald, Antietam, Champlain) in the 7th Fleet since January tends to point to a failure of training or safety procedures or both. The Admiral is in charge of the 7th Fleet so he bears the ultimate responsibility.
piratedan
is anyone considering it wasn’t the Navy’s GPS that was hacked but instead the merchie?
tobie
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Murkowski’s an experienced lawmaker. I hope she has some record of the threats Zinke made.
Amir Khalid
@Fair Economist:
Maybe not directly responsible, but they did happen on his watch. And the number of these incidents indicates some failure above the level of the ship commanders.
Cheryl Rofer
That’s quite a barber pole!
Adam L Silverman
@Cheryl Rofer: All part of the service…
Burnspbesq
@opiejeanne:
I had cataracts done earlier this year. Relax. It’s fast and totally painless these days. The only real source of potential pain is the possibility that the anesthesiologist will be non-network wrt your insurance. Beat on your opthalmologist and the sugery center with 2x4s until they get that taken care of for you.
sharl
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: The Trumpkins have been particularly delightful on twitter of late. After the mishap with the destroyer named after Sen. McCain’s father and grandfather, some of those rage-imps were saying the ship collision was God’s punishment for the Senator’s vote on the ACA repeal bill.
They’re so adorable, and as an atheist, I particularly appreciate the casual/rote trivialization by these dweebs of the deity they claim to believe in.
mai naem mobile
Why do they not play clown music when Dolt45 walks in?
Alain the site fixer
@?BillinGlendaleCA: your Korea pics run tomorrow, yay!
Adam L Silverman
@Cheryl Rofer: I beg your pardon?
Cheryl Rofer
@Adam L Silverman: Trump’s tie
Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.)
I’ll depend on other gutsier people to tell me what Czar Manbaby says. If I were a gambler, I’d put money down that he does something stupid and self destructive. Maybe he’ll tell us all again how great nazis are! Maybe he’ll admit that Putin personally pays him! Who knows? Once he gets rolling, and he feels the waves of sweet, sweet adulation wash over his flabby, pasty body, he can say or do anything. Maybe he’ll shoot somebody in the audience just to prove he can do it and not lose any voters. Whatever he does, I’ll read about it tomorrow.
lamh36
Yarrow
Yes. Work on writing up notes from a doctor’s appointment. That’s much, much more fun and interesting than this freakshow NuremPhoenix rally.
TaMara (HFG)
@TenguPhule: Obviously. And for me, I’m trying to clean up my diet, so I have to stop watching Dolt45 shenanigans, because it leads me to mainline potato chips….and occasionally ice cream.
Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.)
I do find it shocking, appalling and beyond understanding how the niece of Martin Luther King, of all people, could get behind this racist shitbag…
Jim, Foolish Literalist
No, Lawrence O’Donnell, let’s not listen to the president begin his remarks. You promised only if they were newsworthy.
They managed to find a dark-skinned person to stand in trump’s camera shot. He’s wearing a tee-shirt that says, Trump & Republicans are not racist, with a web address under it: Gods2 (dot) com, which looks more like gods to come, or God’s to come, when I’m not trying to avoid making a link. I would bet a hundred dollars somebody on his staff is gonna wish they’d vetted that shirt.
Adam L Silverman
@Cheryl Rofer: I know, I was teasing. You just don’t normally see that kind of comment in the wild.
sharl
Ah, I see he’s recycling; very commendable!
mai naem mobile
@opiejeanne: my mom and a friend had it done. The annoying part is just doing the multiple eye drops for a few days after the surgery. If they order you 4 x a day drops get one of those cheap dollar store calendars and just”x” each time you do the drop so you keep track.
Schlemazel
@opiejeanne:
I had both eyes done over 20 years ago (I had congenital cataracts and in my 40s they were so bad it was affecting my life) and I loved it. Painless and fast it was if my world went from sepia tone to technicolor.
tybee
@mai naem mobile:
pro tip: keep the eye drops in your pocket so they’re body temp when you put them in. less flinch that way.
Gelfling545
@Burnspbesq: You ease my mind a bit. I will need a cataract removed at some point and get panic attacks just thinking about it. I’m pretty phobic about anything to do with my eyes.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
So trump scheduled his Afghan speech to overshadow Paulie Ryan’s town hall, not realizing he was doing the empty suit a favor. Now McConnell leaks that NYT story to water down trump’s headlines for his 60 Minute Hate. The vicious old turtle does know what he’s about.
Yarrow
@TaMara (HFG):
Oh….that sounds like me. I’ve bought way more bags of potato chip than I ever have before. And my love of Ben & Jerry’s is well documented. I’ve had to quit buying it. Right now I’m using up an abundance of fresh black-eyed peas, so that’s pretty healthy. Made and had fresh “cowboy caviar” tonight.
Schlemazel
@mai naem mobile:
Someone should convince him that “Entrance of the Gladiators” is the sort of macho thing he deserves
Ruckus
@Adam L Silverman:
When they were bringing the thingy that holds your eye open so they can do laser surgery, my first thought was, “I’ve seen that before, whe.., OH FUCK, Clockwork Orange!”
Adam L Silverman
@sharl: And not too many protestors outside.
Ohio Mom
That Black fellow behind Trump must be doing this for the money and as a joke. At least that’s the vibe I’m getting.
Was watching as I washed up. The longest I’ve even observed Pence. He is awfully uncharasmatic. How did he get to be a governor?
rikyrah
@mai naem mobile:
Amen.
Ruckus
@Schlemazel:
The navy has to cover all it’s bases.
Cheryl Rofer
He’s reading from a teleprompter, almost as badly as last night, but he likes this material better.
rk
I know what to do. Say a prayer for humanity.
lamh36
Nope… you ain’t getting me to watch or listen to Chump talk even when he’s NOT at a KKK rally. Nope…I’ll wait for a synopsis of what he’s says…and even then I’ll likely not care.
mai naem mobile
I thought Dolt was going back to DC tonight but he’s staying overnight. It’s gonna screw with my commute tomorrow. Also he’s picked a more expensive place to stay in. M
Yarrow
@Cheryl Rofer: Wonder if that’s Kelly’s doing. Trying to keep him on script.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Adam L Silverman: You really should upgrade to a cave. I’m aware of Cole’s pay scale here, as schrodingers_cat noted, 10*0=0.
Adam L Silverman
@Ruckus: When I came back from temporary duty in Germany the first time I saw Malcolm McDowell at Dulles as we were changing planes.
chris
@opiejeanne: The pre-op tests and the post-op eyedrops were a pain but the actual operation was a cakewalk. 5mg of valium and it was in and done in minutes. Easy as pie.
Quinerly
That Cleveland Caviliers pic is getting another work out: http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2017/08/22/trump-phoenix-rally-fake-photo-cleveland/592199001/
p.a.
@lamh36: What happens when their vote suppression has to start targeting whites? The ‘relative served in the CSA military’ inclusion clause won’t do much anymore…
Cheryl Rofer
MEDIA TWO MINUTES HATE
Miss Bianca
Oh, my God, between a craft Crested Butte rum and a writing deadline to cram, I’d almost managed to forget this shitshow was going on. Almost. (I mean, I’m checking in with you jackals, right?)
efgoldman
@Fair Economist:
Not physically or intellectually, no. But as the commander he’s responsible for whatever happens in his command. The Navy, more than the other services, is ruthless in that regard.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Alain the site fixer: I’ll drink lots of Diet Coke to be awake, thanks much.
Ohio Mom
@opiejeanne: Cataract surgery is actually fun. You are loopy enough not to care about anything and there are lots of swirling colors. It’s a great light show.
Just be very careful about what kind of vision you want afterwards and make sure you and the surgeon are in agreement. I wanted to stay nearsighted and continue to see up close clearly. Unfortunately, my eye surgeon did not grok this. I have good middle vision but not up close vision. It’s been an adjustment.
chris
@mai naem mobile: I set my phone for the drops. Seemed to go on forever.
debit
LO is going live. Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Cheryl Rofer: un-muted for a second, is he trying to relitigate is Charlottesville remarks? can’t imagine his staff is happy right now
Adam L Silverman
@Ohio Mom: It’s Indiana.
SiubhanDuinne
Un. Fucking. Hinged.
Major Major Major Major
I’m just gonna listen to Beck again.
schrodingers_cat
@Yarrow: According to McClatchy News Kelly wants to offer a path towards citizenship for DACA recipients in return for slashing legal immigration drastically.
lamh36
Meh…
Adam L Silverman
@Cheryl Rofer: Bingo!
kilo50
Dishonest people for the win. He has so many whines he is bouncing from one to another. Poor Donald. So picked upon. bash the media when the Republicans got nothing else.
mike in dc
“Anarchists”! Drink!
cynthia ackerman
He’s masturbating on stage.
Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.)
My God, he’s just standing up there and whining about how mean everybody is to him and they’re all eating it up. I think he’s doing this because he can’t make it through another day after the last week without being cheered at by his hordes of asskissing losers. Another day without his fix and he’d have lost it altogether and dropped his pants and taken a shit in the Rose Garden for the reporters or something.
schrodingers_cat
@lamh36: Well received, by whom?
debit
Oh god make it stop.
Quinerly
@Ohio Mom:
Radio show host. I don’t get it either.
lamh36
Uh…he does realize folks can investigate this right?
Yarrow
@schrodingers_cat: That’s not going to go over well with Trumpers.
Felonius Monk
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Wow — That Cherokee Confederate flag is something else.
mouse tolliver
I can’t believe this. He’s reading back his statement from Saturday. But left out the part where he said many sides were guilty.
Cheryl Rofer
He really hated being pushed to make the kind of statement that any decent human being would have made about Charlottesville. Going on and on about it.
The Dangerman
Watch Dodger baseball (though it’s now bottom of the 9th, so I’ll need a new distraction).
No way Dodgers get to 116, but it’s been a hell of a ride.
Quinerly
@Cheryl Rofer:
And lying about what he said.
Yarrow
@Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.): He’s a junkie and the cheering crowds are his fix.
lamh36
@schrodingers_cat: who knows…I think he was being snarky…
kilo50
Little insults for “Little George Steph”. What an ass. Always goes to the lowest common denominator.
Adam L Silverman
@Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.): And tomorrow when all the bad reviews are in except on Fox and Friends he’ll start spiraling down again.
opiejeanne
Lawrence O’Donnell points out that Trump is misquoting himself, omitting the ‘many sides” comment, and now Lawrence just said Trump is lying.
Cheryl Rofer
“I love all the people of our country.”
That is not the way democratic leaders talk.
lamh36
@Cheryl Rofer: @MattMackowiak
He’s relitigating #Charlottesville. Every elected Republican right now:
Adam L Silverman
Tazj
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: He’s lying in his remarks leaving out “on both sides.” He’s a martyr, the most important thing in the world is how he’s treated by the press. Nothing else and no one else matters.
Hellbastard
He’s Martin Luther King-ish in his eloquence.
Adam L Silverman
@lamh36: Something got left out of your comment.
debit
This man is actually our president. This screaming, gibbering festering pustule is our president.
schrodingers_cat
@Yarrow: Using DACA as a bargaining chip to promote a nativist agenda is not going to make anyone happy.
SiubhanDuinne
@Schlemazel:
I always love that “Entrance of the Gladiators” is the “Bozo the Clown” music.
So, perfect for Trump.
TS
@Ohio Mom:
Has to be – screwing up the sign & then spending forever sorting it out – not to mention the weird look on his face. He can probably make some extra talking to reporters later.
Ruckus
@Gelfling545:
Many of us have had cataract or laser surgery and lived not only to tell about it but to enjoy the results immensely. The procedure is easy, just scary the first time. I had laser surgery done on both eyes but not at the same time. The first eye was nerve racking because I didn’t know anyone who’d had it done. Both times ended up being a piece of cake. When it’s time for my cataract surgery (yes of course I have them) I won’t lose a second worrying about it.
mike in dc
“Antifa!” Finish the bottle.
Quinerly
@lamh36:
Pretty sure when he talks about having a home in Charlottesville, he’s referring to Eric’s winery.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I’ve got it muted, but… um…. what?
Lawrence O’Donnell opened his show saying they’d only go to trump if he made news or expanded on his Afghan plan. I’d love to know if Andrew Lack personally countered that idea.
EBT
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: That gods2 guy is a murderer from Florida full of awful bullshit that donnie would love if he could read.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Major Major Major Major:
I would think that listening to Glen Beck would be just as bad.
//
Nelle
Just home from a meeting. Are things calm outside the arena? (Don’t know if reporter daughter is inside or outside the arena. Mostly trying to ignore this and can’t wait for her to call me and tell me that she is home and it is over.)
lamh36
p.a.
Who plays tRump in the movie? Pigs are intelligent. Snakes aren’t actually slimy. Worms provide a useful service. They’re out. How long can lamprey or hagfish survive out of water? It will be a difficult shooting schedule…
efgoldman
@Gelfling545:
Lots of people feel that way. I had both mine done in 2009, couldn’t have been easier except having to drive into Boston 2x on I-93, and finding parking without taking a second mortgage on the house around Mass Eye and Ear to pay for it.
kilo50
@cynthia ackerman: Crude, but yeah that is what he is doing. There is no other reason for him to be doing this.It’s mutual masturbation for his cult followers and him.
lamh36
Miss Bianca
@efgoldman: Serious question, to you and Adam and anyone who cares to take a crack at it: there has been more than one incidence of this sort of collision happening. How likely *is* it that a hacker with the appropriate skills – and a, shall we say, anti-authoritarian attitude – might be behind it? And that – while it still won’t save the Naval officers’ careers – might, if discovered to have been a mitigating factor, at least manage to salvage their reputations in retrospect?
(To which my hacker friend, while acknowledging the thrill that the challenge might pose to a hacker with the requisite chops and love of Loki-like mischief, came back with: “What was that quote about ‘never attributing to malice what could be explained by stupidity’?”)
efgoldman
@Yarrow:
Me too, but dairy is very limited on a dialysis diet. Probably just as well.
lamh36
Frankensteinbeck
@debit:
Yes, and it’s not an accident. Republican voters didn’t just want a white supremacist president. They wanted a white supremacist whiny dimwit president. They wanted someone like themselves to prove to us all how they’re right about everything.
…it’s not turning out so well.
chris
Thread on the gods2.com tshirt behind trump.
debit
@TS: I think he’s the same guy Rachel reported on during the campaign. He’s part of some kind of cult, IIRC. Checked and yep.
Quinerly
@debit:
I’m having flashbacks from the campaign. I watched so many of his campaign speeches that should be embarrassed to admit it. This might be the worst of the worst. And, he won by doing this kind of stuff.
Cheryl Rofer
@lamh36:
I liked that one too.
SFBayAreaGal
Thank you to the commentators that can stomach watching and listening to IT.
Lyrebird
@mai naem mobile: We’ll keep praying for Mueller’s protection and that the Almighty will prosper the investigators’ work, or something along those lines.
lamh36
misterpuff
An-TEA-fa!
Fucking Fascist (and yes Racist) Bastard.
The crowd is getting antsy…”Racism is Bad”…Crowd: No it isn’t. Free Bird! Free Bird! Build The Wall! something, please.
cynthia ackerman
This is just dreadful. He’s demented.
Ruckus
@Adam L Silverman:
You got me beat on celebs at airports, by a country mile. And I used to travel a lot. Hertz once told me I was in the top 5% of renters. Not sure how big that club is but it got me good service.
hilts
@cynthia ackerman:
@opiejeanne:
Somewhere there’s a gold lame straitjacket with Trump’s name emblazoned upon it. In a normal universe, this neanderthal would be venting his spleen in the lockdown unit of a psych ward.
Omnes Omnibus
As an aid in distracting everyone: Early Shakira.
efgoldman
@Miss Bianca:
I don’t have knowledge nor expertise in that kind of knowledge. I know just enough about navigation, based on very limited knowledge, that ships aren’t supposed to do that, and enough about chain of command to know who gets blamed.
Schlemazel
@Hellbastard:
light on the Martin Luther King, heavy on the ish
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@EBT: I am remained in the boat on that one, but I figured the media would go there
ETA: now bragging to his audience that he’s more elite than the elite and lives in a bigger apartment than they do and got better grades at a better school
kilo50
Back and forth whining about his treatment by CNN and the media. Ass in chief. No decorum. No responsibility for his verbal diarrhea. This creature is a beast who regurgitates the worst daydream of his followers.
Ohio Mom
@TS: My husband said the Black guy with the tee shirt better be careful, someone is going to catch on and he’s going to get beat up.
lamh36
mai naem mobile
Switched channels. He was just being a whiny little bitch. He needs new material. His writers suck.
Cheryl Rofer
The reaction to Trump’s Charlottesville comments really upset him. That’s why he lashed out at the press conference, and that’s the basis for tonight. He needs the validation of the crowd. I don’t know if it’s microphone placement, but the cheers don’t sound all that loud.
“I was better in school than they were, I live in a bigger apartment, now I live in the White House.”
This is pathetic.
SFBayAreaGal
So from what is being said by the commentators here, the anticipated pivot or becoming presidential didn’t happen. Did I get that right? ?
randy khan
@sharl:
Ah, an oldie but goodie. He used that one repeatedly in the campaign.
Mary G
Is anybody really watching it? Has he pardoned Sheriff Joe yet?
chopper
@SiubhanDuinne:
the guy was never even hinged in the first place.
Yarrow
@efgoldman: Are you allowed any of the non-dairy ice cream-like desserts? Some of them are very good.
lamh36
Frankensteinbeck
@kilo50:
Which is more than half of all white voters. I’m really not thrilled with my demographic right now. Mind you, I never was.
Felonius Monk
@Ohio Mom:
I don’t think it’s a joke. Check out that website for some real viscous shit.
Cheryl Rofer
“They’re trying to take away our history and our heritage.”
There it is.
Ladyraxterinok
@Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.): She’s an extreme conservative Christian. I think her number one concern is abortion. Probably homosexuality as well. Although, IIRC, she attended Eddie Long’s church. He was recently involved in a gay sex scandal somewhat similar to Ted Haggard.
IMO, her view of Christianity is quite legalistic with little room for what many would term social justice issues.
Gelfling545
@Ruckus: Thank you for these encouraging words.
Yoda Dog
@p.a.: We could just dust off the old Jabba puppet and problem solved.
Another Scott
@EmbraceYourInnerCrone: The BBC had a report saying that many in the McCain’s home port were complaining that everyone’s exhausted. And an expert they interviewed said the Fleet is being worked like a 400-450 ship Navy while it has 300 ships.
They quoted one anonymous sailor saying that they had shifts so long that he was seeing things that weren’t there…
I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the sailors were being overworked and/or that they’re understaffed.
But we’ll find out eventually.
Condolences to the families of those lost. :-(
Cheers,
Scott.
kilo50
Taking away our heritage. They don’t like our country. Fake News gives the fascist a forum. Way to spin it.
lamh36
Adam L Silverman
@schrodingers_cat: It is also not going to go anywhere in the Senate.
Miss Bianca
@Adam L Silverman: Would you recommend lasik surgery for the corrections necessary for plain old age, or not? Asking for a friend, of course.
Cheryl Rofer
I apologize for an earlier misjudgment.
It’s still going.
Ohio Mom
@Ohio Mom: or not. I followed the links on him. He’s too nutty for anyone to go after.
Miss Bianca
@piratedan: I was considering that possibility, yeah.
mike in dc
@Cheryl Rofer:
This is the part of the drinking game where your designated driver cuts you off.
Ruckus
@efgoldman:
They give captains a lot of power and they make them pay biggly when they fuck up. The concept holds for a ways up the line. But really a ships captain really, really needs to have their shit together or they can fuck up big time. It’s easy to have a loss of life from a fuck up and captains don’t do the small stuff, they usually fuck up big time. There is/used to be a blog about naval officers and their crime/punishments. It can get pretty brutal.
Schlemazel
@chris:
They are well pasted the bottom of the crazy barrel and shoulder deep in the muck beneath it.
Wow, compared to this Alex Jones is normal!
chopper
christ, what an asshole. this fucking guy.
sharl
Hmm…
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Cheryl Rofer: Here in LA, really rich folk have big houses in the hills; not apartments.
cynthia ackerman
Jerk.
Off.
scav
@SFBayAreaGal: At this point, what constitutes being “Presidential” is what is pivoting wildly in the eyes of some — notably large swathes of the media and the faithful base.
Omnes Omnibus
I am not watching. Is it all like this?
lamh36
efgoldman
@Yarrow:
Probably, but I’d generally rather do without than not eat the real thing. I’ve never had diet soda, either, I just do without.
p.a.
@Yoda Dog: But wasn’t Jabba a successful corruptard?
kilo50
@Frankensteinbeck: Yeah. I can’t help my birth. But I can be proactive to ameliorate the damage as best I can.
Hellbastard
My god, those troglodytes in the background… They should have handed out “I’m with Stupid” t-shirts.
Seth Owen
@Miss Bianca: I doubt it’s hackers. Even if your navigation system has an error you are still responsible for having eyes out for nearby shipping. Period. The entire leadership of the Fitzgerald and the entire bridge watch has been fired/disciplined. This suggests that the investigation has turned up crew failures of a substantial nature.
Lyrebird
@Cheryl Rofer: @Cheryl Rofer:
Well you have an excellent track record of turning some of your hate into productive and informative action, so hey… and I’m sorry I can’t find the link, was it RawStory? A historian did a nice summary with a refrain of how this has never been a[n exclusively] white country, evAR.
Yarrow
@efgoldman: I hear you. If you do get a hankering for them, some of them are very good. You could peruse the frozen dessert section of a Whole Foods – they’ll have a lot of them.
On the other hand, Ben & Jerry’s makes those single serving cups. That might help you keep your portion within limits and still enjoy a treat now and again.
lamh36
opiejeanne
@debit: Heehee. Lawrence just said Trump’s not talking about anything important now.
Mary G
@Ohio Mom: Red State put up an article last October: “This ‘Blacks For Trump’ Leader Has Ties To Creepy Murder Cult, Believes Obama Is The Anti-Christ.”
I think it’s the same guy.
SiubhanDuinne
Oh, here we go with Sheriff Joe.
Dman
He’s gonna go off script. He just mentioNed sheriff Joe
lamh36
Here we go…
Schlemazel
@Ruckus:
I used to put 100k a year on in airplane seats. That got me upgraded a lot. I sat across from one of the Mandrell sisters once & right next to George Carlin on a flight one time. I said hi and that I enjoyed his stuff a lot but was going to leave him alone unless he wanted to talk. He asked me what I did and about my family then when we took off we ignored each other. He thanked me when we got off. That is as exciting as I get
Miss Bianca
@lamh36: Damn it, lamh…I am going to have to come to New Orleans sometime just so we can schedule an area meet-up. You are one of the folks here who make me LMAO on a regular basis.
Nelle
Going to rouse the crowd on Arpaio….Basically promises to pardon him but not tonight. Arpaio can feel good. He’ll be just fine. Now he is going to rouse…..on immigration…
Cheryl Rofer
Do the people in this room like Sheriff Joe?
Was he convicted for doing his job?
I’ll make a prediction: I think he’s gonna be just fine, okay? But I won’t do it tonight because I don’t want to cause any controversy.
Major Major Major Major
So listening to Beck was the correct decision, cool.
Dman
Unfnbelievable
kilo50
Shout out to “sheriff Joe” he was convicted for doing his job. Trump makes a prediction he will just fine. Won’t do it tonight though.
TS
@debit: thanks
Adam L Silverman
@Miss Bianca: I can’t speak for anyone else, but there are a couple of possible explanations:
1) There is a serious training to competency issue in the 7th Fleet and given that the 7th Fleets area of responsibility (AOR) is the busiest naval AOR it is turning up in these navigational incidents.
2) Something else is going on.
3) Combination of the first two.
I’m paranoid about this type of stuff. Given 7th Fleet’s AOR, what they do day in and day out, and the fact that we now have a stand down/cessation of operations just as they were set to participate in the annual August exercise with South Korea and Japan. While I do not know what the various investigations turn up, I would be willing to bet good money that right now there is an active counterintelligence investigation at the 7th Fleet’s home port of Yokasuka to make sure they don’t have a mole who is committing sabotage.
In this line of work being overly paranoid is never bad. Being insufficiently paranoid often is.
kilo50
@Cheryl Rofer: What a shit weasel. These deplorables are not on a front line of anything, but he panders to them as if they all suited up.
mike in dc
…aaand we’re back to the brown-bashing. Really wants to lock down his racist base post-Bannon exit, I guess.
Cheryl Rofer
lamh36
@Cheryl Rofer:
I’d like to amend this statement and say “look at what white America has done to us”
SFBayAreaGal
My heart hurts when I think about Hillary Clinton not being our president.
Schlemazel
@Cheryl Rofer:
Adam L Silverman
@chris: Here you go:
sharl
(Add 2 or 3 minutes to the time stamps shown, more for older tweets)
Hunter Walker @hunterw
Dman
He just called for Kelly to join him on stage.
Adam L Silverman
@debit: Yep. Long history of violence and organized crime.
Grung_e_Gene
Traitor Trump is on the cusp of calling for the NRA, Oathbreakers, and III Inchers to begin slaughtering…
catclub
@Cheryl Rofer:
Wanting to fuck over is not quite the same as loving.
lamh36
Miss Bianca
@p.a.:
OK, you have made me laugh and then made me conjure up this image. CURSE YOOOUUUUU….
Adam L Silverman
@Ruckus: I think I was in there the first couple of years after I got back from Iraq when I was on temporary duty all the time. I went through the Newport News airport so often that they started giving me upgrades to mustangs and corvettes.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
TS
I’m watching Lawrence & he flipped away when trump was talking about himself & his wonderful, better, best education, bigger apartment – anyone know what that was about???
lamh36
Cheryl Rofer
Still wants walls he can see through. Doesn’t mention why.
lamh36
Redshift
@Felonius Monk: Sounds like same cult as the “Blacks for Trump” group that regularly appeared in t-shirts with URLs during the campaign.
catclub
@Ladyraxterinok:
and others would term ‘loving your neighbor’.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@lamh36: damn, shoulda sold off my stocks today
Another Scott
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I was curious so I looked at the site. Just arrows pointing to another site. I looked at the page source to see where it wanted to redirect me.
It is a site with about the most insane racist crazy nasty stuff that I could have imagined. Things like the Cherokee and the Mormons are going to do … according to various Bible verses.
And Oh, by the way, buy his T-shirts.
Don’t go there unless you have a strong stomach. Seriously.
And it shows, yet again, the incompetence of the Trump people.
(sigh)
Cheers,
Scott.
(“Save us Bobby M! Your our only hope!!”)
chopper
@Dman:
there’s a script?!
Miss Bianca
@Omnes Omnibus: Fun Fact to Know and Tell: A guy I went to high school with is Shakira’s guitar player.
Jay
@sharl:
http://www.gao.gov/assets/690/684771.pdf
A March 2017 GAO Report,
– USN ships are undermanned for tasks and duties,
– USN Crews are untrained/undertrained for tasks and duties,
– USN Ships are overdeployed,
– the USN has a recruiting/retention problem
The 7th Fleet in particular, has some issues ranging from Fat Leanard, to 4 collisions this year.
Villago Delenda Est
@Cheryl Rofer: Translation: They’re trying to take away our hate.
Tim C.
@kilo50: Called this last night. He’s to chickens hit to issue the pardon, but wants credit for supporting the country’s least lawful law enforcement officer.
Redshift
@lamh36:
No. SATSQ.
lamh36
Did Kelly actually come on stage?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
* WaPo political correspondent who tweeted about a pivot less than twenty-four hours ago
Dman
@lamh36: nope
Matt McIrvin
@p.a.: Trump is never going to lose a majority of white people. As long as absolutely nobody who isn’t white is allowed to vote he’s OK.
Omnes Omnibus
@Miss Bianca: Cool. I was just made aware of early Shakira tonight. I am a bit upset that I was not informed earlier.
Major Major Major Major
So trump is doing the reality show “who’s gonna be pardoned next” game I guess.
Cheryl Rofer
I get to my point of saturation and find it difficult to continue to report. He is now excoriating the Senate for not managing to repeal the ACA.
ONE VOTE AWAY!!!!
Adam L Silverman
@SFBayAreaGal: Pretty much.
Adam L Silverman
@Mary G: Said he wouldn’t do it tonight because that would be controversial, but Sheriff Joe should feel comfortable.
Cheryl Rofer
Attacking Flake and McCain, but “they told me not to mention names.”
kilo50
@Tim C.: Typical Trump. takes credit for doing nothing. Gets away with it becuz his followers are indoctrinated cult members.
lamh36
Adam L Silverman
@Miss Bianca: I had very good luck with it, but needed only a light correction. Some issues, such as eventually needing reading glasses, are a simple reality even with the lasik.
dmsilev
@Cheryl Rofer: I’m sure Mitch McConnell will get right on sticking the Senate GOP’s collective dick back into that sausage grinder.
debit
I’m a pretty peaceful person, but I would like to punch every single person on camera behind him. Especially the guy with the blue shirt and white stars, with the creepy fixed smile.
Miss Bianca
@Ruckus: that hasn’t changed in hundreds of years – “with great power comes great responsibility” and also, great and heinous justice if you fuck up – in the Navy. My father was a Navy man, and most of my family who are military are some form of marine/military – Navy. Marines. Coast Guard. I may find the ethic appalling and pitiless, but it, weirdly, makes more intuitive sense to me than any other military ethic.
EmbraceYourInnerCrone
@Another Scott – Exhaustion is entirely possible unfortunately. I was a lucky computer tech so had semi-regular hours/watches. My husband was an engineer, 6hours on 6 hours off, the whole Westpac, which when you consider that after your 6hour watch in the engine room you have to often do maintenance and also eat, shower, etc. It often was 18 hours awake and 4 or 6 asleep. And if the Orange menace think he’s going to order more ships I would like to know who is going to staff them… never mind how long it takes to build one of those…
I hope their families can find some peace.
Every time they go to sea you know someone might not come back, ships are inherently dangerous under the best conditions.
catclub
@Adam L Silverman:
wow. I guess you heed Auric Goldfinger’s wisdom.
lamh36
So basically he’s doing what Ryan, McConnell and majority of Congressional Republicans have done…criticize but NOT MENTION names
Ruckus
@Adam L Silverman:
As I’ve stated here many times I served a long time ago, but I tried to be rather observant, thinking that might just be important to my survival. On of the things I noticed was that ships captains varied a lot in abilities. The best I saw was fully, possibly over qualified, the worst shouldn’t have been allowed on board to paint, let alone be in charge. They tended more towards type B than A. Some was training, some was attitude and some was just lack of, well most everything. Along with that were XOs trying to make their bones, sometimes countermanding captains orders, sometimes in their presence. It was a fucking mess. I’d doubt that there have been dramatic changes, for the better or the worse.
chris
@Omnes Omnibus: Thanks for the suggestion, it’s just the thing for watching a muted shitgibbon.
kilo50
@Cheryl Rofer: I quit. It’s too surreal for me.
Adam L Silverman
@Omnes Omnibus: Not as well organized.
The Thin Black Duke
Susan Sarandon must be so proud.
Miss Bianca
@Seth Owen: Then I start to wonder about what other folks have said – I’ve started to hear tell thru’ the community I know, of ex-Navy computer nerds talking about 20-hour shifts and “starting to see shit that wasn’t there” – or sadly, perhaps, *not* seeing shit that *was* there.
Matt McIrvin
@Omnes Omnibus: All of Trump’s rallies are like that.
Adam L Silverman
@lamh36: You can’t fake that this well.
Cheryl Rofer
@kilo50: My brain just goes funny after a while.
Omnes Omnibus
@Adam L Silverman: Ha!
lamh36
Cheryl Rofer
“I don’t believe any president has accomplished as much in the first six months.”
I think he really believes this.
catclub
Amusing, but pointless.
Cheryl Rofer
My kitties are starting to demand attention. They think this is not good for me.
lamh36
Chris
@Cheryl Rofer:
“They told me.” LMAO. Like he’s a kid whining that his dad won’t let him borrow the car.
Mary G
@Miss Bianca: I’ve heard rumors like that. “They want us to do the work of a 500-ship Navy with 300 ships and I stay up for two or three days at a time covering stuff.”
sharl
Yahoo News’ Hunter Walker is reporting that things are relatively calm outside the Convention Center – some back-and-forth taunting, even some polite discussions, but contrary to some of his earlier reports, the tension is not at a worrisome level. Let’s hope it stays that way, especially as the Trumpkins inside exit the building.
Ruckus
@Jay:
Thanks for that.
I was going to say (again, said it the other day) that under manning was problem 45 yrs ago and I’d bet that hasn’t changed. It may in fact be worse, what with the many deployments and people just being tired. We’ve been at a war time stance for almost a decade and a half now, that isn’t an easy way to go through life in the military. You run out of people, training, stamina, desire, leadership……
JWR
@chris:
Dang it. I took the bait, found myself on a horribly 1990’s-style Enter page, and right after I hit the Click To Enter link, the damn site crashed my computer! (Maybe time to set up my new system, which has been sitting in its box for over a week? You bet!)
MomSense
@piratedan:
That’s what I was thinking.
Miss Bianca
@Adam L Silverman:
Oh, damn…this was where I was fearing to go with this. Deliberate sabotage on someone’s part. These days, I honest to God don’t know what might be paranoia, and what might be someone really after you…
I blame Trump. Not ironically, either. I blame Trump for bringing the possibility that shit I might have dismissed as the most improbable of fictions, might actually be true. I don’t like thinking like this – I could have lived forever happy in the thought that consipracy theories were ridiculous, because conspiracy itself seemed so much less probable than accident or misunderstanding.
lamh36
this is how I feel…
Adam L Silverman
@TS: That he and his supporters are the real elites not the actual elites they don’t like for being elite.
The Thin Black Duke
@Cheryl Rofer: And he’s right. Trump’s accomplished a lot. Thing is, none of it was good. Ask Heather Heyer’s mom.
Eric S.
@debit: Most of the time i can “forget” he is president. When it does sink in I’m a mix of enraged and embarrassed.
SiubhanDuinne
@Cheryl Rofer:
Nelle
How long can this go on? I’m learning a new definition of infinity – both from his term in office so far and from this endless rambling rant.
Amir Khalid
@efgoldman:
With diet soda, “the real thing” (I presume you mean with real sugar) isn’t real and hasn’t been for decades. All the flavouring is artificial now — easier to obtain/make and more consistent in taste. For example, it’s been a long time since Coca-Cola contained anything extracted from coca leaf or kola nut. So it’s possible that you’re denying yourself for no reason.
Omnes Omnibus
A hot mess that has to be better than what AZ is like tonight.
chris
@JWR: Sorry, worked for me. Sorta wish it hadn’t.
JWR
@Cheryl Rofer:
Hey, signing all those EO’s is hard on the wrist!
Adam L Silverman
Someone better call John Constantine. Maybe Zantanna, Swamp Thing, and Detective Chimp too!
Screw it, go right to Dr. Fate!
Matt McIrvin
@Miss Bianca: The problem with getting old is that your eyes stop being able to accommodate to different distances. (That’s starting to happen to me, a little–I’m nearsighted and I used to be able to just keep my distance-vision glasses on all the time, but now I find I have to take them off for reading.)
Lasik can only give you a static correction, so I’d think that it couldn’t give you back your near vision without destroying your distance vision. I recall hearing about some scheme in which your two eyes have different focal lengths, but it doesn’t sound like a great idea to me.
Cheryl Rofer
@Chris: The grievance is thick.
Cheryl Rofer
@SiubhanDuinne: The harnesses came off after about twenty minutes.
Miss Bianca
@Omnes Omnibus: as soon as I am done with the medieval music I’m using to write to, I am dialing up that link.
randy khan
@Matt McIrvin:
The latest Q poll had him at 44 (30% strong)-51 (46% strong) approval/disapproval among whites.
Frankensteinbeck
@The Thin Black Duke:
The Never Hillary people I’ve heard from are quite happy. They will never have to face proof Hillary wouldn’t be worse than Trump. In their world, Hillary would have gotten Dems to help pass RyanCare, and invaded Iran and North Korea by now.
Omnes Omnibus
@Miss Bianca: I think you will like it.
cthulhu
@Ruckus: “As I’ve stated here many times I served a long time ago, but I tried to be rather observant, thinking that might just be important to my survival. On of the things I noticed was that ships captains varied a lot in abilities. The best I saw was fully, possibly over qualified, the worst shouldn’t have been allowed on board to paint, let alone be in charge. They tended more towards type B than A. Some was training, some was attitude and some was just lack of, well most everything. Along with that were XOs trying to make their bones, sometimes countermanding captains orders, sometimes in their presence. It was a fucking mess. I’d doubt that there have been dramatic changes, for the better or the worse.”
This reminded me of the fact L. Ron Hubbard was put in charge of a ship during WWII, screwed up, and still managed to get himself another command position afterwards (which he again screwed up). Of course, Scientology mythology posits him as a war hero.
MomSense
So from what I gather from comments here and twitter, Dolt45’s mood stabilizers wore off and he is back on his “diet pills”.
lamh36
Ugh…this mofo STILL talking…even his deplorables are like…
https://media.giphy.com/media/3ornkdvPFqHxkC5QE8/giphy.gif
Adam L Silverman
@catclub: I’m watching that guy…
Cheryl Rofer
WHEW
Miss Bianca
@EmbraceYourInnerCrone: 18 hours on, 6 off is only barely bearable, from my personal experience shipboard, when you are in your early 20s and the worst that’s likely to happen if you fall asleep on shift is damage to yourself or your crew mates. How can it be countenanced when people’s lives and national security is at stake?
Omnes Omnibus
@Cheryl Rofer: Is it over?
Cheryl Rofer
Dman
You can’t always get what you want by the stones plays him out.
Lol
Miss Bianca
@lamh36: setting himself up for, “you can’t fire me, I do the firing, I FIRE ME, I mean – I QUIT!”, perhaps?
Omnes Omnibus
@Miss Bianca: Medical residents have it worse – purely for hazing purposes.
The Thin Black Duke
@Frankensteinbeck: And these clowns can’t wait to fuck up 2018.
Adam L Silverman
@Ruckus: I’ve only worked with a limited amount of Navy folks, some as colleagues at USAWC, one as the director of my higher headquarters as was our ops officer (former was a retired CAG/airedale, latter was a retired Intel O6), our electronic warfare officer in Iraq was a Navy O4, and I’ve had several students who were surface warfare officers. They all seemed pretty sharp, but I may not have a representative sample.
I think a major issue, as @EmbraceYourInnerCrone: stated, is exhaustion. Someone decided that 18 hours on during operations is a good idea. It isn’t. I’ve watched Soldiers work themselves to collapse in warfighting exercises simulating a war because they felt they had to do 18 hour shifts to show just how diligent they were. Then we do the same thing downrange or aboard ship. And problems occur.
sharl
CNN, WSJ, WaPo, and other big media confirming the impending dismissal of VADM Aucoin. Actual time stated here:
Some context:
Omnes Omnibus
@Dman: I have never understood that one. Also, the Stones have objected.
Cheryl Rofer
@Omnes Omnibus: yes
Adam L Silverman
@Miss Bianca: I think this is unlikely, but I also don’t like coincidences.
lamh36
@Cheryl Rofer:
Matt McIrvin
@Omnes Omnibus: Conservatives love that song–they think it’s an anti-welfare-moocher song.
khead
@Cheryl Rofer:
Saw it live. Don Lemon is having none of this shit.
efgoldman
@Amir Khalid:
I can taste the artificial sweeteners (any of them) and really don’t like them.
Lyrebird
@Cheryl Rofer: He has brought about radical changes! Most of them bad, but here’s hoping they’re unifying enough, and that his administration’s perfidy is well documented enough to convict the lot of them!!!
Omnes Omnibus
@Matt McIrvin: Idiots.
Dman
I see the gestapo is ensuring the “violent left protesters”meme gets some play tomorrow
Matt McIrvin
@randy khan: Good to hear, but I’ll believe that translates to votes when I see it. His personal approval/disapproval was way underwater when he won the presidential election.
Yarrow
@Cheryl Rofer:
That’s awesome.
sharl
Mike J
@khead:
Ruckus
@Miss Bianca:
Makes sense to me also. One has to play error free ball with ships or one gets into big fucking trouble in a big hurry. And it’s usually too late to keep it from getting worse and worse. Ships, like a DDG can change direction pretty quickly, compared to say an aircraft carrier or tanker or container ship. So it is possible to get out of the way if you are paying attention. But there are any number of things that can get one into trouble, even with no other ships around. Too late comes up a lot faster than one can imagine. Once made an Atlantic crossing, Plymouth, UK to Charleston SC via the Azores. Due to a massive winter storm we ended up around Maine. It normally takes 7-8 days to do this, we took if I remember correctly 15 days. For 7 days we had to run directly into waves that often had green water up to the bridge windows. We had welded deck fixtures torn from the deck. The wind was over 90 knots and the sea over 50 ft for that 7 days. If was fun. I feared far more that the captain would do something stupid than that the ship would fail.
Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
@Adam L Silverman: I get that and I understand why they would traditionally relieve him. However, is this a traditional situation? If it’s really a hack, it’s absurd to expect him to have done something when no one higher up had done anything. That’s like giving a soldier an M16 that’s been sabotaged in a way that has never been done before and is undetectable to the soldier and his COs, even though battalion was previously warned that such a thing was inevitably going to occur, so when the soldier can’t fire his weapon, they relieve the COs. How does that make sense?
Yarrow
@efgoldman: Oh, me too! I can always pick them out. Even stevia–it’s so bitter to me.
Villago Delenda Est
@Ruckus: All your base are belong to us!
clay
@Adam L Silverman: And here I thought you were a Marvel guy. That’s disappointing. //
Actually, a team-up of Brother Voodoo (black), Scarlet Witch (Gypsy), Sister Grimm (Japanese), and Wiccan (gay) would be the alt-right’s worst nightmare.
Amir Khalid
@Omnes Omnibus:
So he keeps using it just to say, “Fuck you, Rolling Stones.” I seem to remember they and he once had a less-than-agreeable encounter.
Isn’t there some more-appropriate music by Ted Nugent or Kid Rock that he could use, like Wang Dang Sweet Poontang or Bawitdaba?
Miss Bianca
@Omnes Omnibus: I was going there, next, with that: HAZING for no purpose but to torment someone else as one has oneself been tormented – with people’s lives at stake from a medico’s, or radar tech’s, lack of sleep – it’s the moral equivalent of saying, “we have to honor our honored war dead by making more of them, because otherwise their sacrifice – I mean, *my* pain – will have all been in vain” – or, more simply, as Richard Thompson used to joke: “I’ve suffered for my art, now it’s your turn.” It’s beyond perverse – it’s actually wicked.
sharl
Well this sounds worrisome. From outside the building:
efgoldman
@sharl:
It doesn’t say he’s losing rank, which means his full (very substantial) pension.
Of course, they could always hold a trial board later.
Dman
@sharl:
Gotta make them lefties look like agitators.
mai naem mobile
So Dolt is staying at the same resort Obama stayed at in 09. Not sure if it’s the same suite. I am thinking it is. Anyhoo , I wonder if Dolt will pee on the bed that Obama slept on?
Redshift
@Matt McIrvin:
That’s what I have when I wear contacts. (My glasses are made for distance for both eyes, and I just take them off to read.) It’s called monovision for some reason. I always had one eye that was much more nearsighted than the other, so it was an easy adjustment for me, but a lot of people can’t stand it.
I keep meaning to get a prescription monocle, just because I can.
Ruckus
@EmbraceYourInnerCrone:
When we were under way the fire rooms ran 6 on 6 off for the duration. The previous generation DDGs (Adams class) were steam powered. No other rates that I know of were 6/6 but some weren’t a lot better. We were about the best, 4 on, 16 off with a 24 hr duty every 6th day.
Adam L Silverman
sharl
TS
this president* is so keen to generate violence – that is all his speeches do – generate hate which he wants to lead to violence. As we keep saying – imagine how the right would react if President Obama had done anything like these hate fest events.
Miss Bianca
@Amir Khalid: I’m thinking “Stranglehold” or “Paranoia” might make more accurate exit music.
kilo50
@Villago Delenda Est: The classics never die.
Adam L Silverman
@Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ: He is the responsible party in the chain of command. From what’s being reported it appears he’s being relieved fairly close to retirement. So they’re partially doing this to symbolically demonstrate that even flag officers will be held responsible. This is also, partially, a dig at the Army who almost never relieves a general officer when there is a major operational problem in Iraq or Afghanistan.
Adam L Silverman
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Adam L Silverman
@clay: The only Marvel books I ever really read where the various X titles. All 3,426 of them…
SFBayAreaGal
@Adam L Silverman: I really liked Smallville.Tom Welling who played Clark Kent is going to be on Lucifer.
Adam L Silverman
Another Scott
@Ruckus: J and I took The Cat hydrofoil ferry across the Bay of Fundy at the end of one of our vacations a few years ago. “Fast, smooth ride!” they said. And the seas were very calm. But I ended up getting seasick (lots and lots of fast lateral jerking for some reason).
I can’t imagine what being in 50′ seas is like… :-/
And rogue waves must be freakier still…
Cheers,
Scott.
Steeplejack
Just got done watching Trump’s “speech.” (I was a little behind on the DVR.) It was completely unhinged. I have to believe that huge sections of it—almost the entire middle—were ad-libbed. Would like to find out more about this tomorrow. Does Trump release texts of his speeches before he gives them?
Mnemosyne
I went to Target after work and only just got home. Did I miss anything good?
Adam L Silverman
sharl
@Dman: Hard to say what happened at this early stage. Someone in another tweet mentioned something sounded like a motorcycle backfiring, but that could have been the police flash-bangs. Or, it could have been a motorcycle, and then some jumpy cops did their flash-bang and tear gas thing.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
In summary, Phoenix is a land of contrasts…
Matt McIrvin
@Omnes Omnibus: Hey, all you ever really need to listen to is the chorus, right?
Mike J
@Adam L Silverman: I don’t see it as a dig. It’s just the way the navy does things. If you’re responsible, you have a higher chance of being held responsible than in the other branches.
In civilian maritime news, two second places, two thirds beer can racing tonight.
Cheryl Rofer
@mai naem mobile: He hires prostitutes to do that.
And speaking of the Steele dossier, the Fusion guy who funded it (or was involved in some other way) spent ten hours with a Congressional committee today. Senate Judiciary, I think, but I could be wrong.
Adam L Silverman
@SFBayAreaGal: Never watched Lucifer.
Matt McIrvin
@Mnemosyne: Well, Trump did his typical Nazi rally and then apparently the cops started tear-gassing everyone for no particular reason.
Adam L Silverman
SiubhanDuinne
@Adam L Silverman:
I think Suzanne is there. Hope she’s okay. Suze, please check in.
Cheryl Rofer
@Steeplejack: He started out using a teleprompter but at some point went into improv. Maybe a third of the way through.
Ruckus
@Matt McIrvin:
My doc said I should be corrected differently in both eyes for ease of close vision. I thought he was nuts. So I tried different contacts for a short time. I HATED it. Made my life miserable. So I went with normal correction in both. Have to wear readers now but far vision is OK after 21 yrs. Not perfect any more but still works without correction.
Matt McIrvin
Also for some reason everyone seems much more shocked by Trump’s act now than they did all the other 530 times he did it. Maybe Charlottesville (and the fact that it didn’t change him at all) caused an attitude adjustment.
Cheryl Rofer
The kittehs, as usual, are demanding their late-night treats, so goodnight all!
sharl
@efgoldman: My guess is they won’t go very hard on Aucoin. He’s one of their own (as in, Flag Officer), and admirals are rarely sacrificed in any big way, a fact often ruefully noted by junior officers in their own discussion forums. As already noted, it’s the captains that are usually sacrificed, or whatever rank the ship CO holds (might be a CDR or even LCDR).
clay
@Adam L Silverman: So it seems the police are using tear gas and pepper spray simply to get people to go home? Seems a bit extreme…
kilo50
@Mnemosyne: Concentrated hate, xenophobia, random insanity and occasional pointing out a few protesters all accompanied with incessant whining, lots of whining about his unfair treatment at the hands of the dishonest FAKE NEWS.
Another Scott
@Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ: The Captain is always responsible for his or her ship. They have to be able to operate with near complete independence due to the nature of the job, and with that trust and freedom they have to take responsibility whenever something serious goes wrong. It’s just the way it is.
But, the people above him or her are also on the hook, and punishments can be modified (though it has a history of being done to protect the upper officers and to try to blame the lower ranked crew). E.g. the USS Iowa turret explosion. :-(
Cheers,
Scott.
Adam L Silverman
@Mike J: I can tell you that the Navy Senior Service Rep at USAWC when I was there would keep a running update of Naval commanders relieved versus Army commanders relieved on the white board on his office door. It’s a dig. And it is a legitimate one. MG Schloesser retired early because when he took the 101st to Afghanistan in 2009 some knucklehead at one of the battalions came up with the idea to put a patrol base outside of anyone’s ability to provide supporting fires or provide relief in a timely manner. The BCT commander signed off on it. When the patrol base was overrun and several Soldiers killed and wounded the company commander got in trouble. Some major at battalion got in trouble. And that was pretty much it. While Schloesser never explicitly stated why he retired early, he authorized several people to respond to inquiries that he did so because someone needed to hold general officers accountable for mistakes made within their commands and if the Army wasn’t going to do so he would hold himself to that standard. It makes the certificate he gave me for meritorious support very special.
Another Scott
@Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ: The Captain is always responsible for his or her ship. They have to be able to operate with near complete independence due to the nature of the job, and with that trust and freedom they have to take responsibility whenever something serious goes wrong. It’s just the way it is.
But, the people above him or her are also on the hook, and punishments can be modified (though it has a history of being done to protect the senior officers and to try to blame the lower ranked crew). E.g. the USS Iowa turret explosion. :-(
[eta – attempt #2]
Cheers,
Scott.
Adam L Silverman
@clay: Shift change. Everyone best clear out.//
burnspbesq
@Omnes Omnibus:
How is that possible? Did you not read TBogg?
Omnes Omnibus
@Adam L Silverman: Shit.
KS in MA
@lamh36: Me too.
Frankensteinbeck
@Matt McIrvin:
White America has been primed that you have to say the n- word, wear a Klan hood, or salute a swastika to be a racist. Every possible benefit of the doubt must be given before invoking such a dreadful label. Well, Trump supporters came out and openly admitted they were Nazis and saluted a swastika, while the whole country was watching. Then Trump refused to condemn them. And a white woman was murdered, so everyone was paying attention. For one whole, Hell of a lot of ‘comfortable white privilege’ level racist whites, Charlottseville changed everything.
Omnes Omnibus
@burnspbesq: I am aware of the Church of Shakira’s Ass. The Spanish language rock songs were new to me. As I suspect they would be to you.
Ruckus
@cthulhu:
Speaking of snake oil salesman……. I like that books are still being produced with his name on them, even though he supposedly died quite a while ago. I’d bet he’s not dead but living on that old sailboat tied up in Caracas.
I served out of Charleston and the destroyer flotilla commander was a major fuckup. When it came time for his last promotion, the Pentagon was not going there so they gave him a bigger ship to be captain of. A career ending, sideways promotion. I know all of this because my last 6 weeks I got transferred to that ship, an LPD, while he was captain. What a fucking asshole. And that only scratches the surface. I think that if the crew had mutinied, the Pentagon would have given them all medals.
Miss Bianca
@Adam L Silverman: So, in other words…Navy commanders fall on the sword, Army commanders find someone else to stick it into? Metaphorically speaking?
Another Scott
I’ve got 2 comments in the dungeon. Only one is necessary if either of them are freed. (And “necessary” is much too strong a word.)
Thanks.
‘night all.
Cheers,
Scott.
Steeplejack (phone)
@Cheryl Rofer:
I think he went improv around the time he pulled the papers out of his coat. And I think he went back on script at the very end for his “lyrical” finish.
I was struck by how low-energy (sad!) and meandering the bulk of his talk was. I mean, he’s always unhinged, but usually it hangs together in a way that keeps his base fired up. Tonight seemed way more labored and plodding.
celticdragonchick
@Miss Bianca:
Yes.
burnspbesq
@lamh36:
Ben’s post on this mess at Lawfare tomorrow is going to be required reading.
burnspbesq
@Omnes Omnibus:
Gratuitous insult misses target.
sharl
@efgoldman: I should add that my response to you at #367 applies to ship mishaps. In the case of something affecting an entire command, like the Fat Leonard scandal, at least two admirals are being punished (or have already; I haven’t kept up). It would have been a huge injustice if only O-6s and lower were sanctioned in that case, since the rot clearly went way up the line.
Omnes Omnibus
@Miss Bianca: A ship has one commander and one location. One person is charge of it all. An army unit is deployed over space, and individual leaders at lower levels have more freedom to make decisions.
Mnemosyne
@Miss Bianca:
I may be far too late with this response, but the LASIK doctor I saw said that it CANNOT correct for age-related presbyopia (i.e. problems with reading, etc) because that’s something that happens because of the lens at the back of the eye and not the front where LASIK happens.
If I get LASIK, I would still need reading glasses, because of the anatomy of the eye.
Adam L Silverman
@Miss Bianca: No. The Navy has a different professional cultural response to who should be held accountable, for what, and at what levels of rank and command. The problem with how the Army has done things over the past 16 years is that it teaches junior officers that they are held to a zero defect concept while senior officers, including general officers, aren’t. And that punishments are disparate. This is not good for morale. I know several general officers, as well as senior colonels and lieutenant colonels, and senior non-commissioned officers that are very concerned about it, don’t like it, but can’t figure out how to change the professional culture. And I’ve yet to have anyone explain to me in a coherent way how things got this way.
Miss Bianca
@Omnes Omnibus: Wow. Um…that was different.
Omnes Omnibus
@burnspbesq: Quoi?
Mnemosyne
@Matt McIrvin:
So, pretty much what we expected in our current insanity.
Omnes Omnibus
@Miss Bianca: Inorite?
Adam L Silverman
@Miss Bianca: @Omnes Omnibus: It most certainly was.
Ruckus
@Another Scott:
It was OK for me, I didn’t get sick at all. There were only about 10 of us on the ship out of 300 that didn’t. I’d go up to the bridge every once in a while to watch and everyone looked about as green as Kermit.
It does get old rather quickly though. You’ve really had all you want after a day, day and a half. It’s like a roller coaster ride, with broken rails, that never ends. It ain’t smooth at all.
A lot of cargo/tanker ships would have waited for the storm to pass, probably most in fact. But the navy has to be somewhere for some reason, you go where you gotta go, when ya gotta be there.
Miss Bianca
@Adam L Silverman: Perhaps O2’s response @ 386, imbued with institutional pride and prejudice tho’ it *may* be (//), holds the key to that difference in professional culture between Army and Navy.
Ruckus
@Mnemosyne:
Well those of us who didn’t watch the speech still have some sense of reality. Those who partook seem to be stunned at how bad it was, and they were expecting bad.
Adam L Silverman
@Miss Bianca: I think that is part of it. But it has clearly created a problem of disparity on the Army side.
Omnes Omnibus
@Miss Bianca: I was being serious. The army pushes decision making to lower ranks than the navy does. A sergeant at a particular place is better prepared to say whether the place can be held that his battalion commander. A petty officer in the navy can say that his gun is now non-operable. It doesn’t say that the ship is not combat capable.
Villago Delenda Est
@Adam L Silverman: The Army, even in the 80’s, had problems with holding General officers accountable that they didn’t have with the more junior ones, or with noncoms.
Ruckus
@Miss Bianca:
He is right though. Everyone on a ship is supposed to work as a team, to make things happen and not fuck up. But the captain (CO), or his designee when s/he’s sleeping, and they will and are supposed to wake him/her, gives the orders. There are no separate movements. Separate tasks to accomplish the goal, yes, but the parts have to act as the whole to operate properly. A fuck up of one part can and most likely will endanger the whole. And there doesn’t even have to be an opposition for that fuck up to be drastic. I had gear that went through a valve in the very bottom of the ship. That gear had to be raised and lowered each time the ship entered or left port. If I fucked up doing that we had a major water leak in the fire room. A lot of water in that room could sink the ship, it could extinguish the boilers. She no hot, she no move, she no have power to pump out water. She sink. Specific procedures, done in order, every time. Those boilers ran at 1200 deg and made steam at 1200 psi. That’s some nasty stuff. If it goes wrong………
ETA And salt air/water is extremely corrosive to metal and other stuff. It has to be properly maintained and cared for or she sink. And always at the wrong time, like out in a storm in 50 ft seas.
An army unit is made up of smaller parts that have people in charge and they can and do work some what independently, even if they are united in the same goal. And a fuck up of one part may or may not make a difference to the end goal. As well the expectations of each individual parts tasks may be different depending on the opposition.
Omnes Omnibus
@Ruckus: Exactly. A good army officer would be a bad navy officer. And vice versa. No offense meant to either.
cwmoss
@Adam L Silverman: At least you’re not in a van, down by the river.
Mnemosyne
FYI, Suzanne checked in above — all is well, the greatest danger was heat exhaustion from the 107-degree heat. She heard the flash-bangs as she was already leaving and was not affected.
Ruckus
@Omnes Omnibus:
I don’t see that they would necessarily be bad. Different training because of the concept difference and tasks but I see leadership as the main quality. That shouldn’t change. If you were a good artillery officer, there is no real reason you couldn’t be a good gunnery officer. None of the officers in the surface navy did much in the way of actual physical tasks. Navigation, OK officer. Air services on a carrier, mostly officers. An officer on a sub has to know, like everyone else how to do everything, if something goes wrong. That’s about it from my time, some of that may have of course changed but leadership, that’s the same.
Omnes Omnibus
@Ruckus: Fine. There are differences. I posit that I had more latitude for decision making than someone of my rank had in the navy.
Omnes Omnibus
@Ruckus: @Omnes Omnibus: Anyway, I am going to bed.
Ruckus
@Omnes Omnibus:
Quite possibly, that doesn’t mean someone who could do one would be bad at the other. As I said the tasks are different, maybe you’d make a horrible electrical officer. But in my experience, none of the officers knew much of the technical stuff. They knew what task needed to be accomplished and when, what they didn’t know was how or how long. But how and how long can be learned if and as necessary. I did it, others did it, none of it was difficult for me, the training was actually pretty good. I went to school for a year, basic electronics, which I knew, advanced electronics, and specialty electronic devices. Surly some one with a reasonable learning curve could learn what they needed to know to lead. As I’ve alluded to not all of the naval officers that I met had a reasonable learning curve. Some had a far more than reasonable one. Officers didn’t go to technical schools. They were supposed to learn leadership skills in training. Some of them didn’t learn much or all that well. I worked for the electrical officer and one that I knew, I’m not sure he understood not to stick his finger in a light socket. He worked for the engineering officer and that fella understood what was going on with all the systems he was responsible for. He may not have known how to fix them or exactly how they worked but he understood the basics, and he could hold a reasonable conversation with people who did know. Not saying I’d follow him over the top of a trench but I trusted him not to fuck up out of pride or stupidity.
Vhh
@schrodingers_cat: won’t fly with business. Even Trump Org.