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We heard the same bullshit when Rove did the anti-gay ballot measures in 2004: “W doesn’t want to do this, he has gay friends and he’s a nice guy, but he will because he’s savvy”.

The tongue job the Times is giving Trump over DACA is even worse.

I s’pose it’s so they can keep getting the sweet Javanka leaks.

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  3. 3.

    SenyorDave

    NYT profile from the 1940’s?

    He has sympathy for the children, but Auschwitz and Buchenwald were just necessary.

    Godwin be damned

  6. 6.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    Quit calling the aggrieved ones “Javanka” – that almost gives them a time of trendiness, which they don’t deserve.

    I go with “Jarvanka”, because it is closer to JarJar Binks…

  7. 7.

    SenyorDave

    @debbie: @debbie:

    Trump wouldn’t know “sympathetic” if it walked up and kicked him in the groin 900 times.

    Can you arrange a PPV for that? I’d pay to see it.

  8. 8.

    Peale

    Yep. Laura Bush will save us! Laura Bush on the gay issue = Ivanka on DACA. They are there to make us think about a GOP that isn’t really there. One that might not do these things in an alternative universe. A few good apples! Why get mad a a group that has a few good apples?

  10. 10.

    smintheus

    Could somebody get this message to John? The Juice system won’t let me send the message because it supposedly looks like a Hawaiian meat product.

    John, I just heard back from my colleague about the planned nazi rally in Bethlehem. It was scheduled for Sat. the 9th from 12-3 pm, but he tells me that it has now been cancelled by the group that applied for the permit. He adds “We are all hoping that no one shows up but are taking necessary security precautions.” Unless I hear something specific about dead-enders intending to show up, or about an anti-nazi rally that’s going to be held in the absence of the actual nazis, then I don’t see much point in going in to Bethlehem that morning on the off chance that some nazis might show up anyway. And for you it’d be a heckuva long drive up from WV for naught. But thanks for the offer!

  12. 12.

    Tom Levenson

    FTR. Today’s Thrush-Haberman-Davis story is a bit better, playing Trump as a clueless and disengaged babbler. Terrible headline (On DACA, President Trump Has No Easy Path) — which is down to the Times hopeless editorial direction (the reporters do not write their own heds). But the story plays it pretty straight.

  13. 13.

    Amaranthine RBG

    Look, the bottom line is that America needs comprehensive immigration reform.

    We should treat every person with dignity but we need to uphold the rule of law and protect our borders and national security.

  14. 14.

    smintheus

    The NYT has quite the gig. It’s simultaneously the Voice of The Opposition, and Pravda.

    The sneering smart aleck in the back row, and the dumb-as-a-post suck up in the front row.

    Lucy, and Charlie Brown. Also sometimes the football too.

  22. 22.

    smintheus

    @Gozer: Neither had I until a rabbi I work with mentioned it. And I work in Bethlehem. The M Call doesn’t seem to have reported on the planned march.

  23. 23.

    Gozer

    @smintheus: Yeah. I can’t find anything anywhere. My wife teaches at Lehigh so we’re a little more clued-in than others in the valley, but we’ve been away for the last week. I figured at least she would have heard something from administration, a trustee, student, somebody…

  24. 24.

    smintheus

    Serious question: When Trump was just down in Texas ‘comforting’ people at a shelter and telling them to have a great time, did that not apply to Dreamers and their relatives at the shelter? Or does losing everything you had in life make it easier to just ship you off now to Mexico?

  26. 26.

    tobie

    @Amaranthine RBG:

    We need to uphold the rule of law and protect our borders and national security.

    This administration does not give on whit about the rule of law. The decision to rescind DACA is an act of cruelty toward people who have known no other country but the US for most of their childhood. You’re invoking border security and national security to change the subject. DACA has nothing to do with either.

  27. 27.

    Mnemosyne

    @smintheus:
    @Gozer:

    The Nazis seem to keep announcing rallies and then chickening out when it looks like they’ll be outnumbered by counter-protesters.

    It’s kind of what they do. In San Francisco, they changed the proposed venue so many times that counter-protesters ended up wandering the streets trying to find the Nazis, who IIRC never showed up.

  28. 28.

    low-tech cyclist

    Did HaberThrush point out that Trump’s actual actions oddly failed to coincide with his alleged sympathies?

    We can’t know what’s in a person’s heart. All we can see is what they say and do. And that’s much better evidence than what anyone claims about that person’s feelings.

  29. 29.

    kindness

    The esteemed Grey Lady is a common $2 whore.

    That’s really all. I think prostitution should be legal so I’m not saying this as if the NYT is immoral. It’s just that, do they have to be such freaking cheap whores about it? At least have SOME dignity.

    @Amaranthine RBG: Are you a bot?

  32. 32.

    JPL

    So I was offline, due to meetings for four hours, the grand orange wizard ends DACA. fk em, and I see that tropical storm Jose is forming near Irma. I hope Jose takes out Mar Lago. Yup I know that I didn’t want the orange wizard’s dream ruined, but those times have long passed.

  33. 33.

    Mr Stagger Lee

    Listening to CBC (Canada) the Canadians are looking to jump on this. Valuable immigrants, to enhance the nation’s economy. What’s not too like.

  34. 34.

    Mike in NC

    Question for readers of the New York Times: are they also beating the drums for a preemptive war with North Korea like they did for Iraq?

  37. 37.

    geg6

    @low-tech cyclist:

    Yeah and I refuse to give them a click to find out what I pretty much already know. Which is that no, they don’t mention it because that might hurt Ivanka’s…oops, I mean their anonymous source’s feelings. And then what would happen to their vaunted access?

  38. 38.

    Lapassionara

    @Amaranthine RBG: My grandfather came to the US in 1908, with his wife and infant son. There were no laws governing immigration then, as I understand it.

    When WWII started, the son decided to enlist. That was when he learned, for the first time, that he was not a citizen. The Air Force helped him remedy that little problem, and he stayed in the service until after the Korean War. Of course, his parents were Scottish.

    Focusing exclusively on “the law” ignores history and equity, imo.

  41. 41.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @Amaranthine RBG:
    Ah, I see. You’re quoting Hillary Clinton wildly out of context – note that the complaints ranged against you here almost entirely are about the context – because of some bizarre, obsessive hate that is still looking for a way to slam her. Got it.

  48. 48.

    tobie

    @Amaranthine RBG: Oh ho ho. So clever. Taking quotes out of context. HRC wouldn’t have rescinded DACA, though sainted Bernie might have given his past opposition to immigration reform. Bugger off. People’s lives today have been ruined and yet all you seemed to want to do is score points against HRC.

  49. 49.

    randy khan

    @Amaranthine RBG:

    I’m not sure I see your point. This, after all, is what Clinton said about DACA in June 2016:

    This anniversary also reminds us of how high the stakes are in this election. Right now, the United States Supreme Court is set to rule on the recent expansion of DACA and the creation of Deferred Action for Parents of Americans and Lawful Permanent Residents (DAPA). I strongly believe that these executive actions that are rooted in law and precedent will be upheld, but the fate of these policies, and of the millions of people who were impacted by them, will be in the hands of the next President.

    What she said, in full

  52. 52.

    TenguPhule

    @debbie:

    Trump wouldn’t know “sympathetic” if it walked up and kicked him in the groin 900 times.

    Obviously a theory that needs testing to confirm or disprove.

  53. 53.

    jl

    I was busy running around home doing stuff this morning, so couldn’t quite hear Sessions’s miserable statement over the radio. Just finished reading it. Better for my blood pressure.

    IANAL, but screw them anyway. And I heard some talking about the issue enough on the news radio this morning to decide that the idea that DACA executive order is unconstitutional is total BS. After listening to the famous lawyers talk lawyer talk on the radio, I noticed the weasel words in Session’s statement. Sessions claimed that DACA is unconstitutional because it does what Congress refused to authorize. Which is a little different from Congress prohibiting it. And Sessions didn’t bother to mention previous laws that specifically authorized procedures to prioritize enforcement of immigration law.

    The real legal problem is that now we have five crooked political hacks on SCOTUS and the BS lawsuit by ten states will probably win by one vote. But seems to me that there would be some lawsuits that can make the point that there is no problem with the DACA EO. But IANAL, so not sure how that would work now that Trump has issued his monstrous and bigoted decision.

  55. 55.

    Amaranthine RBG

    Look the bottom line is that America is a great country and she became great because of immigrants. Except for the immigrants that slaughtered the Native Americans.

    I support a strong America that values its citizens and expects its citizens to play by the rules.

    I have grave concerns about executive orders made on subjects of national importance without the input of Congress.

  59. 59.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    Trump has sympathy he can come out and say it like the stand up guy he claims to be and not rely on surrogates leaking to reporters.

  60. 60.

    TenguPhule

    @Mike in NC:

    are they also beating the drums for a preemptive war with North Korea like they did for Iraq?

    Nikki Haley already is at the UN. Fuck her with a rusty chainsaw. She is the literal embodiment of every single derogatory insult involving exchange of funds for services rendered.

  61. 61.

    clay

    @Tom Levenson: You’re right:

    For months, an anxious and uncertain President Trump was caught between opposing camps in the West Wing prodding him to either scrap or salvage an Obama-era program allowing undocumented immigrants brought to the country as minors to remain in the United States.

    Last week, with a key court deadline looming for Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, Mr. Trump, exasperated, asked his aides for “a way out” of a dilemma he created by promising to roll back the program as a presidential candidate, according to two people familiar with the exchange.

    ….

    Mr. Trump will not make the announcement himself. Instead, Attorney General Jeff Sessions will handle it at an 11 a.m. briefing. He will not take questions from reporters.

    The delay would buy the president some much-needed breathing room. But it is certain to displease nearly everyone else, especially as there is no guarantee that a squabbling Congress, which failed to address immigration under President Obama, will come up with a long-term solution.

    “It’s not clear what delaying this for six months means,” said Mark Krikorian, an immigration hard-liner who runs the Center for Immigration Studies who has supported the president’s actions to curtail immigration.

    “He’s being pulled in a bunch of different directions, and because he doesn’t have any strong ideological anchor, or deep knowledge of the issue, he ends up sort of not knowing what to do,” Mr. Krikorian said. “I think the fact that they did nothing to it suggests that they had no idea what to do,” he added.

    Mr. Trump’s frenzied weekend search for an alternative to abruptly ending the program was a fitting finale to his anguished deliberations over DACA since he took office. Aides have portrayed it as a difficult emotional decision for the president.

    ….

    Mr. Trump’s staff had always intended to refer the issue to Congress, and Mr. Kelly began discussing the possibility when he was in the cabinet, two senior White House official said. But they never planned to toss what one of the officials described as an unpinned hand grenade at Capitol Hill Republicans quite this soon.

    Doing that, however, fits a pattern that Mr. Trump has established in recent months of postponing consequential decisions on contentious topics, like health care reform, leaving it to senior members of his administration or Republican congressional leaders to articulate a final position while seeking to deflect blame for the results.

    Such strong leadership!

  62. 62.

    FlyingToaster

    @Amaranthine RBG: Concern troll is concerned. Purity troll is pure.

    Unless you’re going to to hold the IOIYAR asswipes to your same standard(s), please go the fuck away.

  63. 63.

    mai naem mobile

    @Gozer: a Nazi rally in Bethlehem just has an odd ring to it. Can’t quite put my finger on it. Who hailed from Bethlehem a while back? I’ll have to look it up.

  64. 64.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    Josh at Talking Points says it best

    Let me share a few thoughts about President Trump’s decision to end DACA. If reports are to be believed – and I suspect they generally are – the President was conflicted on this decision. He wanted to satisfy his promise to his core voters but he also did not want to get the blame for the impact of the decision. This is an important distinction between not wanting to inflict human suffering and not wanting to get blamed for it. In any case, as he put it in his tweet this morning, he’s leaving it up to Congress to prevent the carnag

  67. 67.

    jl

    Idea that Obama’s DACA EO is problematic in any way is BS. Fine to stretch other EO’s like the 2001 AUMF into nano strands to do any damn thing.

    If Congress won’t do its job on an issue of national importance, what is the president supposed to do, just sit there with this thumb up hie or her ass?

    Previous legislation on immigration give the executive wide latitude to prioritize enforcement of immigration law.
    We should not be distracted by such BS. Need to fight the Trump and racist wing of GOP (which sadly is most of them) on repealing DACA. Seems really that important to me.

    We may have to work with the miserable excuse the Trumpsters are giving for their vile decision and work to pass something in Congress, but no reason not to make their lives miserable over their BS.

    Good thing that there are enough reactionary GOPers who have other concerns that sheer racism, and may be willing to help.
    This fight needs to be all out, just like fight against Obamacare repeal/replace.
    The monstrosity and damage to country of repealing DACA and subsequent crime against humanity when enforcement kicks in, is just too great not to do everything we can to stop it.

  69. 69.

    TenguPhule

    @jl:

    If Congress won’t do its job on an issue of national importance, what is the president supposed to do, just sit there with this thumb up hie or her ass?

    Congressional Republicans: “YES!!!”

  72. 72.

    jl

    I don;t see any point or interest in trying to figure out or arguing over what is in Don Trump’s weird little head, at least any more than is needed to win on DACA one way or another.
    The ass was ‘conflicted’, trapped by his own campaign hate speech and stupid promises that pandered to ignorant bigots xenophobes and racists, and is trying to weasel out of a tough position.
    What is new about that? It’s really the same thing we have seen from the toxic fool since Jan 2017.

  73. 73.

    low-tech cyclist

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    @low-tech cyclist: We know what’s in Donald’s heart. Raw, undisicplined hate of the non-white.

    Tru dat, but I don’t blame them for not saying that. I do blame them for saying anything at all about Trump’s feelings, let alone something as blatantly unbelievable as HaberThrush’s source.

  74. 74.

    catclub

    @clay:

    The delay would buy the president some much-needed breathing room. But it is certain to displease nearly everyone else, especially as there is no guarantee that a squabbling Congress, which failed to address immigration under President Obama, will come up with a long-term solution.

    I think it is a fair bet that they (Congress) WILL NOT come up with anything. This is how you do it and avoid the blame. I hope to be wrong about this.

  79. 79.

    TenguPhule

    Instead of playing with the troll, we could all be talking about how utterly fucked up the Congressional schedule is for this month and how much bad shit will come running if they make any mistakes.

  80. 80.

    burnspbesq

    @Amaranthine RBG:

    I have grave concerns about executive orders made on subjects of national importance without the input of Congress.

    There is no reason for anyone to take that statement at face value. The next time you argue ANYTHING in good faith will be the first.

  85. 85.

    Barbara

    @Lapassionara: Many people who served in WWI were not citizens. Some people were exempted because, essentially, they were citizens of one of the enemy combatants — e.g., my grandfather was “Austrian.” In reality he was Serbian, which was part of the Austrian Empire (and the country that set off the entire conflagration). Nonetheless, you could choose to serve even if you were exempt, and many did.

  86. 86.

    catclub

    Trump Ends DACA With Sessions As Bearer Of Bad News

    “I’m here today to announce that the program known as DACA, that was effectuated under the Obama administration, is being rescinded,” Attorney General Jeff Sessions said.

    Hispanic Chamber Of Com. CEO Resigns From WH Council Over DACA

    what took them so long? Why were they on ANY WH Council in the first place?

  90. 90.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    @SenyorDave: Eh, maybe 1930s. Hitler was named Man of the Year by Time Magazine at least once. Before he threw some non-aryans in the oven that is.

  91. 91.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    @Amaranthine RBG:
    Look in a mirror douchecanoe. And I hardly would call responding to a person’s comments a lot “stalking”. Grow up.

  93. 93.

    catclub

    I believe there was a post either here or at at LGM with a solution for trolls. I think it was ‘do not engage, at all, no matter how smart your putdown’.

  96. 96.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @burnspbesq:
    I admit, until this conversation I did not realize that Amaranthine RBG is not merely someone with difficult viewpoints, but flat-out a troll arguing in bad faith. It seems undeniable here, and I am redefining accordingly.

  97. 97.

    catclub

    @TenguPhule: Peter Orszag wrote that they need to roll up huge bits of it into one bill.
    I agree. I also agree with Mnuchin that they should roll debt ceiling extension in with Harvey relief. I do not understand why far right GOP congressmen want to split it off and fight over it.

  98. 98.

    TenguPhule

    Troll be gone. Actual Serious Issues Here.

    Trump and congressional Republicans return to work this week facing enormous pressure to achieve major policy victories and carry out such basic acts of governance as providing disaster relief in the wake of Hurricane Harvey, avoiding a default on the nation’s debt and keeping federal agencies open.

    So far, there is little evidence of progress.

    On Sunday, a proposal from Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin to attach recovery aid to legislation raising the nation’s borrowing limit quickly drew objections from conservative lawmakers seeking spending cuts.

    And Trump and the White House have only recently engaged with congressional leaders, who must navigate the demands of conservatives but also those of Democrats, who have the votes to derail most bills in the Senate.

    Even before Hurricane Harvey swept across southeastern Texas, the White House and lawmakers faced a series of dire deadlines likely to establish September as the busiest and most challenging month so far in the Trump presidency.

    Among the most pivotal decisions is how to avoid a federal default when the government reaches its borrowing limit at the end of the month. Failure to raise the debt ceiling could plunge financial markets and the economy into turmoil.

    Lawmakers and the White House also must extend government spending beyond September to avert a federal shutdown. And deadlines to reauthorize a flood insurance program and extend health insurance for low-income children also loom before the end of the month.

    Approving a Harvey aid package and beginning talks toward the GOP’s top legislative priority — an overhaul of the tax system — add to the pressure.

    Mnuchin’s revelation Sunday on Fox News that Trump hopes to include disaster aid in debt-ceiling legislation provoked conservative lawmakers who have pushed for spending cuts in exchange for their support for raising the debt limit. These lawmakers were already signaling plans for a rebellion over the entire September agenda if leaders don’t agree to major cuts and changes to expensive federal programs such as Medicaid.

    Complete Utter Shitfest.

  99. 99.

    Amaranthine RBG

    All Americans are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country. The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants. The public service they use impose burdens on our taxpayers.

    We must move aggressively to secure our borders more by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens.

    We must surf on the zeitgeist, triangulate our morality, and calibrate our moral vision according to the mood of the people.

  100. 100.

    Chyron HR

    @Amaranthine RBG:

    It’s okay, honey, the mean old Clintons have been vanquished forever. It’s a shame that the country had to be destroyed in the process, but you can’t make an omelette without berning a few eggs.

  101. 101.

    jl

    Crying about rule of law is total BS. We had very workable ‘rule of law’ on undocumented people brought to the US without their own agency as young kids. I was Obama’s DACA EO. It’s the law of the land. A partisan judge ruled on a bad faith partisan lawsuit and granted an injunction against an expansion to DACA, which a split SCOTUS left in place. DACA itself is fine.

    Really not the time for BS on this, and I am tired of giving in to dishonest crap from bigots and xenophobes and cynical GOPers and their sad dupes.

    The dishonesty of vileness of Sessions miserable statement today is hard to beat. Trump is the only person who could top it.

  102. 102.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    @burnspbesq:
    If they were so “concerned” about executive power regarding DACA, then I’m sure ARBG has spoken out against GOP congressmemebers repeatedly failing to pass an immigration bill to fix it, right?

  103. 103.

    TenguPhule

    @catclub:

    Peter Orszag wrote that they need to roll up huge bits of it into one bill.
    I agree. I also agree with Mnuchin that they should roll debt ceiling extension in with Harvey relief. I do not understand why far right GOP congressmen want to split it off and fight over it.

    Because the Steve King Republicans don’t want anything to pass unless they can hold it hostage for cuts to federal spending (to programs not affecting themselves, of course). They’re anarchist fantasy LARPers, not legislators.

    And they’ve got enough pull in Congress to be a serious problem, especially because the alternative to them is requiring Democratic votes and the stupid fuckers ZEGS and Turtle have been doing everything in their power to alienate and piss off the Democrats in the House and Senate.

  106. 106.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    @Amaranthine RBG:
    Clinton doesn’t really matter anymore. If she had been President, DACA would be safe for now. This is the GOP’s fault for kicking this can down the road. And its also the fault of the millions who couldn’t deign to vote for a Demoguerat, especially Hitlery. Now hundreds of thousands will pay the price for it.

  109. 109.

    Doc Sardonic

    @low-tech cyclist: Actually, you can with verifiable certainty tell what is in a persons heart. Their actions tell everything, while they lie with their words. As Jesus said “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.” Matthew 7:15-20 KJV. So my advice to our “learned” media is that when someone shows you who they are quit trying to square their action with what is in the heart.

  110. 110.

    Cacti

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:

    Clinton doesn’t really matter anymore. If she had been President, DACA would be safe for now. This is the GOP’s fault for kicking this can down the road. And its also the fault of the millions who couldn’t deign to vote for a Demoguerat, especially Hitlery. Now hundreds of thousands will pay the price for it.

    Many thanks to the Bernfeelers who voted Trump.

    The contradictions have been heightened!

  112. 112.

    WaterGirl

    @Frankensteinbeck: I have never used the pie filter before, but I added her just now. Once the page reloads, since the replies are “pie” also, it becomes obvious that he/she/it has taken up at least 1/3 of the thread with her trolling and too-cute-by-half taking Clinton quotes out of context.

    What a waste of time, space and breath. If we all ignored it, this would have been a much better thread.

  114. 114.

    TenguPhule

    Adding injury to injury, Texas landlords charging rent on flooded properties.

    An acute housing crisis is starting to grip thousands of other families in south-east Texas as the floodwaters ebb away, with a death toll put at 60 on Monday. More than 180,000 houses in the Houston area have been badly damaged, with only a fraction of occupants owning any flood insurance. And under Texas law, rent must still be paid on damaged dwellings, unless they are deemed completely uninhabitable.

    A spokeswoman for the city of Houston’s housing department said city officials “are aware these problems exist” but said that state law deals with the situation. She said the city was still assessing the total number of people in need of housing assistance.

    Under the Texas property code, if a rental premises is “totally unusable” due to an external disaster then either the landlord or tenant can terminate the lease through written notice. But if the property is “partially unusable” because of a disaster, a tenant may only get a reduction in rent determined by a county or district court.

  115. 115.

    TenguPhule

    @WaterGirl:

    What a waste of time, space and breath. If we all ignored it, this would have been a much better thread.

    That’s what I said.

  121. 121.

    trollhattan

    @TenguPhule:
    Heard about that over the weekend. Texas law is sharply in favor of landlords over renters, which I’m certain comes as a shock to all.

  122. 122.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    @Amaranthine RBG:
    1. No she’s not.

    2. The Dems would be insane to nominate a, while highly qualified, candidate like Clinton after what happened in 2016. Not. Gonna. Happen. Her and Bill’s time is largely done outside of fundraising.

    3. This cult of personality you’re parodying doesn’t actually exist.

    4. Like Biff Lowman: “You’re a phony little fake.”

  123. 123.

    TenguPhule

    Okay, fess up people.

    Who came up with “Ashes to ashes, funk to funky, we know Major Tom’s a pie junky.” ?

  125. 125.

    SFAW

    Bot technology seems to have improved. Well, not “improved” – just closer to being able to pass the Turing Test.

  126. 126.

    Amaranthine RBG

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:
    Nah, I think the Berniebros have learned their lesson and will flock to support Clinton.

    I mean, who couldn’t beat Trump in 2020, right?

    I don’t think there is a Clinton cult of personality since her personality really doesn’t inspire that sort of thing. I don think that there are a lot of anger monkeys who have apparently note even read her campaign website who are very devoted to her. Well, on second thought, maybe that is a cult.

  127. 127.

    JMG

    In other news Nikki Haley gave a speech today pretty much promising the US was going to pull out of the Iran deal. It contained numerous lies, but I suppose that’s not news.

  128. 128.

    Redshift

    @TenguPhule:

    And they’ve got enough pull in Congress to be a serious problem, especially because the alternative to them is requiring Democratic votes and the stupid fuckers ZEGS and Turtle have been doing everything in their power to alienate and piss off the Democrats in the House and Senate.

    Even if they hadn’t pissed them off, both have openly declared that they won’t allow anything that can’t pass with Republican votes. Funny how all the Very Serious Centrists and bipartisanship fetishists never talk about how this hands the keys to extremist hostage-takers.

    Oh, wait, they don’t talk about it because it can’t be blamed on both sides refusing to compromise, do it can’t be the real problem…

  129. 129.

    trollhattan

    O/T Next time you’re out for some nighttime photography, bring your armored vest and whitest possible clothing ensemble.

    New Carlisle News photographer Andy Grimm was shot by a Clark County deputy Monday evening.

    Andy had left the office around 10:00 p.m. to take pictures of lightning. There was a traffic stop on Main Street near Studebaker’s Restaurant involved, but Andy was not the subject of the stop. He had his camera and tripod in his hands and Deputy Jake Shaw apparently mistook it for a weapon and fired, striking Andy in the side. He was rushed to Miami Valley Hospital for surgery. He is expected to recover from his wounds.

    “I was going out to take pictures and I saw the traffic stop and I thought, ‘hey, cool. I’ll get some pictures here.'” He said he pulled into Studebaker’s parking lot in full view of the deputy, got out of his Jeep in full view of the deputy and started setting up his tripod and camera. “I turned around toward the cars and then ‘pop, pop,'”

    Andy said the deputy gave him no warning. “I was just doing my job,” he said.

    “I know Jake. I like Jake. I don’t want him to lose his job over this.”

    The Attorney General’s BCI division is investigating the incident, and we will update this story as soon as they release their findings. Andy is well known in the area for his love of photography. The outpouring of love and affection for him on Facebook has been overwhelming.

    Everyone at the New Carlisle News thanks you for your support.

  130. 130.

    TenguPhule

    @JMG:

    In other news Nikki Haley gave a speech today pretty much promising the US was going to pull out of the Iran deal. It contained numerous lies, but I suppose that’s not news.

    One woman wrecking machine at the UN. Payment for services rendered indeed.

  131. 131.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    Nah, I think the Berniebros have learned their lesson and will flock to support Clinton.

    I mean, who couldn’t beat Trump in 2020, right?

    ARBG

    ….Jesus Christ, what the fuck does that have to do with my comment at 120?

  135. 135.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    @trollhattan:

    Andy said the deputy gave him no warning. “I was just doing my job,” he said.

    “I know Jake. I like Jake. I don’t want him to lose his job over this.”

    Oh my god.

    “I know Jake. I like Jake. I don’t want him to lose his job over this even though I could have died because he was a dipshit.”

  138. 138.

    Patricia Kayden

    @jl: Well said. EOs are perfectly legitimate when Congress repeatedly refuses to do its job which is how Republicans behaved under President Obama for eight years. He did the right thing when he signed the DACA EO.

  140. 140.

    Redshift

    @smintheus:

    Serious question: When Trump was just down in Texas ‘comforting’ people at a shelter and telling them to have a great time, did that not apply to Dreamers and their relatives at the shelter? Or does losing everything you had in life make it easier to just ship you off now to Mexico?

    People can’t have a great time in Mexico? Elitist!

    /Stephen Miller

  141. 141.

    AnneWith

    @Cacti: And it’s so educational!

    The first pies appeared around 9500 BC, in the Egyptian Neolithic period or New Stone Age, when the use of stone tools shaped by polishing or grinding became common, the domestication of plants and animals, the establishment of permanent villages, and the practice of crafts such as pottery and weaving.

  142. 142.

    TenguPhule

    @Redshift:

    Funny how all the Very Serious Centrists and bipartisanship fetishists never talk about how this hands the keys to extremist hostage-takers.

    Skin a centrist and you find a very serious fascist underneath.

  144. 144.

    Shana

    @TenguPhule: Perhaps he’s infamous for insurance fraud, but he’ll probably get additional scrutiny this time, and at least the club will be out of commission for a period of time, effecting his bottom line despite all the grifting.

  146. 146.

    Millard Filmore

    @Amaranthine RBG:

    we need to uphold the rule of law and protect our borders and national security.

    We need to follow the law … well, unless your last name ends with “Trump”. Then you don’t have to obey the law, the regulations, or even the Constitution.
    And Trump’s close family members can also ignore the law.
    And his inner circle too.
    And his outer circle.
    And top Republican party people.
    And ICE.
    And police.

    Trump is a vastly bigger threat to the country than the Dreamers.

  147. 147.

    catclub

    @trollhattan:

    Texas law is sharply in favor of landlords over renters, which I’m certain comes as a shock to all.

    You could knock me over with a waterlogged mattress, when I heard that.

  149. 149.

    Jeffro

    Joy Reid tweeting that Trumpov only wants to be president* of his 34% (or less) base…because he plans to monetize them…

    From your lips to Orangemandias’ ears, Joy: could General Kelly please convince Trumpov to “declare victory, go home, and milk the rubes like never before?” without all this messy being POTUS stuff? Just resign, Orangehole: THEN you can really let fly and no one will criticize your ‘many sides’ crap

  150. 150.

    trollhattan

    @catclub:
    True. Can’t remember which Cheech and Chong movie had Cheech telling Chong while they were driving around the hood that pendejo means “really good friend” and he should use it to fit in. Which of course he later does..

  152. 152.

    SFAW

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:

    ARBG
    ….Jesus Christ, what the fuck does that have to do with my comment at 120?

    This may help provide some insight: ARBG chose that nym/nom — although it will doubtless pretend otherwise — because it is of the belief that RBG should have retired when Obama was in office, to give Obama a chance to nominate a non-right-winger (since it seemed likely to SOME here that RBG was going to kick the bucket any second). When RBG refused to follow ARBG’s wet-dream-inducing wishes, the “Amaranthine” thing was an attempt at bitter irony, because it would fucking show us how fucking stupid we fucking were for not fucking appreciating its wisdom, especially when RBG kicked the bucket during Jeb!’s [sic] presidency.

    Of course, I don’t recall much contrition when Turtle decided to hijack the Constitution vis-a-vis Garland’s nom. And, of course, had it been RBG’s slot being filled, Mitch would have been MORE than happy to allow a liberal nominee to replace a liberal Justice, so I’m sure ARBG would have been proved right, yet again.

    I don’t recall if you were commenting here when this all started — last year, or perhaps 2015 — but thought I should provide a little context for the idiot known as ARBG.

  153. 153.

    TenguPhule

    @catclub:

    You could knock me over with a waterlogged mattress, when I heard that.

    Those things do weigh on the order of a hundred pounds or more.

    Oh, you were being rhetorical.

  154. 154.

    Cacti

    Twitter is not full of patience for Susan Sarandon today:

    Susan Sarandon
    @SusanSarandon

    I stand with #Dreamers who make our country stronger. Check out the thread below to see how you can defend DACA now.

    HawaiiDelilah‏
    @HawaiiDelilah

    You said Hillary was more dangerous than Trump when every immigrant knew otherwise. Shut the fuck up forever.

  155. 155.

    bemused

    @clay:

    He’s still talking to Bannon, this last weekend I think my tv said. I can imagine what Bannon’s advice on DACA to Trump would be.

    Trump doesn’t have a clue about anything but I suppose his diehard country supporters will give him a pass on not knowing that a pickup bed is there for hauling stuff, not the cab.

  156. 156.

    Kay

    Maybe they’re ashamed that they promoted him all these years as some kind of delightful eccentric and he’s really just a sleazy, mean-spirited jerk.

    “What makes Trump tick?” Nothing. He’s just a dick.

    Sessions is even worse. Boy did they get him right the first time around, keeping him off the bench. They were right the first time. No reason to revisit him. Another low quality Trump hire. It could be worse. He could have had a lifetime appointment.

  162. 162.

    catclub

    @bemused:

    He’s still talking to Bannon, this last weekend I think my tv said. I can imagine what Bannon’s advice on DACA to Trump would be.

    The news about Trump’s body man, security blanket, binkie, quitting will have more and more effect. People used him to get around whatever was insulating Trump from them. I do not know which way it will go, but I guess the easy bet is that Trump gets more mercurial. Rather than Kelly makes the West Wing work like a well oiled machine.

  163. 163.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    @SFAW: Thanks. I’ve been lurking the last few years and must have missed that.

    ARBG:

    That’s a perfectly rational and normal thing to say to someone.

    You are a quality person.

    Oh please. Cut the shit, you sanctimonious little hypocrite. You’re a worthless, fatuous asshole who runs his mouth and contributes nearly nothing of value here. You don’t argue in good faith; you don’t give a damn about the people being hurt by this decision. You’ve made that abundantly clear by using them as props in your trolling. I stand by what I said.

  164. 164.

    bemused

    @catclub:

    He’s losing all his pacifiers, waah!
    I read something about his body guard and wife getting some hefty returns on their dubious business schemes that have the attention of investigators and speculation that he could deal with twenty years of info on Trump. I have no idea if there is anything to that but I like the sound of it.

  166. 166.

    SFAW

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:

    I’ve been lurking the last few years and must have missed that.

    Not surprised. I think it was commenting under another name — don’t recall which — until we morons refused to recognize its RBG wisdom, and shortly thereafter started with the ARBG thing. I think ARBG appeared before Fat Nino kicked the bucket, because its arguments re: RBG would have been immediately been disproved.

    I agree with your “Oh, please … ” paragraph, in case it wasn’t blindingly obvious. You’re being too charitable — but other than that …

  167. 167.

    SFBayAreaGal

    For some reason, I believe Amaranthine RBG is a disguise for one of our front pagers. Trolling to keep us on our toes.

  168. 168.

    Raoul

    The New York Times has just gone to shit in some very upsetting ways. Other parts of the paper are still very good, but A-section political coverage is just garbage.

  169. 169.

    SFAW

    @SFBayAreaGal:

    I think Doug (if that’s whom you meant) has cut back significantly on his trolling, although I have zero evidence to back up that “think.” And ARBG doesn’t seem to be Doug’s style.

  172. 172.

    Mnemosyne

    @Amaranthine RBG:

    Wow, somebody sure is butthurt that Clinton’s book is going to sell millions of copies.

    I’m sure the hotel staff in Jackson’s Hole will bring you some extra Kleenex to help mop up your tears. Or do you own your own cabin there?

  173. 173.

    Mnemosyne

    @SFAW:

    Also, ARGB is a misogynist who somehow only manages to have complaints about female politicians. Funny how that happens. ?

    Oh, but he claims to love Liz Warren, who is every misogynist’s go-to Black Woman Friend.

  174. 174.

    sherparick

    @Villago Delenda Est: Sansa can feed them to the dogs still.

    I read lots of things where Trump is “impotent” and has not done any real harm yet. I suppose if you are not part or have a relative in the immigrant community, particularly the community from Mexico and Central America who appear to primary targets. In this community, and the larger Hispanic Community as a whole, ICE is establishing a full blown police state. And what is happening is not deportations, which are down as the system locks up with 600,000 cases pending, but detentions, with possibly 1 million being detained in local jails and private facilities. Cui bono? Is always a good question.

  175. 175.

    TenguPhule

    @SFAW:

    And ARBG doesn’t seem to be Doug’s style.

    This. I’ve been around for several of DougJ’s greatest hits.

    This troll doesn’t even manage to hit any of his low notes.

  176. 176.

    Brachiator

    Part of Obama’s response

    ..”Let’s be clear: the action taken today isn’t required legally. It’s a political decision, and a moral question,” Obama wrote.

    “Ultimately, this is about basic decency. This is about whether we are a people who kick hopeful young strivers out of America, or whether we treat them the way we’d want our own kids to be treated. It’s about who we are as a people –- and who we want to be,” he wrote.

    There is an infinite gulf between the decency of Obama and Trump’s selfish cruelty.

  177. 177.

    SFAW

    @Mnemosyne:

    Oh, but he claims to love Liz Warren, who is every misogynist’s go-to Black Woman Friend.

    I do too. Shit.

    Of course, she IS my senior Senator.

  179. 179.

    SFAW

    @sherparick:

    I read lots of things where Trump is “impotent”

    I don’t know about that — he seems to be fucking the country pretty effectively.

  180. 180.

    Mnemosyne

    @SFAW:

    A lot of normal people love Liz Warren. That’s why she’s the perfect cover for misogynists.

    The tell is, I’m not a misogynist — I like Elizabeth Warren! after people point out that someone has viciously attacked every female Democrat in sight.

  182. 182.

    Shalimar

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: The funny thing is, ARBG was acting relatively normal and contributing to a non-political thread about the California/Washington fires the other day. Almost like he/she considers themselves part of this community even though their only contribution generally is to troll people and be an asshole. I’m guessing he/she is a regular reader and only occasional asshole.

  183. 183.

    SFAW

    @Mnemosyne:

    I have sometimes mentioned Joan Vennochi — I sometimes refer to her as “The Always Clueless Joan Vennochi” — in this very blog. She’s an op-ed writer for the Boston Glob, theoretically left-of-center, although not by much. One of her schticks is trashing female politicians, especially strong ones. Because reasons. I have yet to see her write “Some of my best friends are …” but it would not surprise me if she did.

  184. 184.

    Mnemosyne

    @Shalimar:

    That’s the thread where he managed to slip in the information that he has a second home in Sonoma and vacations in Jackson’s Hole.

    So, no, he’s always an asshole. It’s just a matter of how up-front he decides to be.

  185. 185.

    SFAW

    @Shalimar:

    I’m guessing he/she is a regular reader and only occasional asshole.

    “Stupid is forever. Ignorance can be fixed.”

    To be more clear: Even full-time assholes can appear to be “regular,” given the proper conditions. But they’re still assholes.

  186. 186.

    Shalimar

    @Mnemosyne: Maybe that was just a different type of trolling rather than actually acting human. I don’t remember the Sonoma/Jackson Hole post, so I must have gotten distracted by something and never got back to read the rest of the discussion.

  188. 188.

    NR

    @Cacti:

    Many thanks to the Bernfeelers who voted Trump.

    If only you’d insulted them more, surely that wouldn’t have happened. I don’t know why you didn’t push that strategy harder.

    The failure is yours, I’m afraid.

  190. 190.

    Mnemosyne

    @NR:

    I’m sure there were people in Germany who would have voted for the Weimar Republic to continue if they hadn’t been so rude when they pointed out how dangerous Hitler was.

    Enjoy your fascism — you decided that you’d rather live under a fascist regime than have people tell you that Trump was dangerous.

  191. 191.

    NR

    @Mnemosyne: Since I voted for Hillary, I’m not sure why you’re talking about me. You must be confused again.

    As for the people who didn’t, though, by all means, keep insulting them. It worked so well winning them over to your side last year and I’m sure it will continue to work just as brilliantly in the future.

  192. 192.

    SFAW

    @NR:

    You might consider going over to Sarandon’s Twitter stream (or whatever it’s called). There were lots of Hillbots being mean to her after she was so thoughtful to say that she stands with the DREAMers. For some reason, people thought it might be more appropriate for her — and I’m paraphrasing here — to STFU. I’m sure if you go over there and tell all them mean Hillbots to leave Sarandon aloooooooone, and that they won’t win over the Bern-or-Busters by being so mean … well, they will collectively agree with the wisdom of your “thoughts,” collectively hang their heads in shame, and collectively ask to be beaten soundly about the head and shoulders until their sins are expiated.

    Well, they’ll either do that, or tell you to go fuck yourself. But at least you will have provided a voice of pure reason to those sinners.

  193. 193.

    SFAW

    @Mnemosyne:

    Enjoy your fascism — you decided that you’d rather live under a fascist regime than have people tell you that Trump was dangerous.

    No, NO, NO!!!! THAT is not the problem.

    The problem is that a Hillbot such as you has the gall to even THINK of suggesting that the Bern-or-Bust-ers or “Doctor” Jill Stein — in other words, people who still cling to the idea that Hitlary would have been a skillion times worse than Deadbeat Donnie, the Lying Littledick — might still have their heads up their asses. And to suggest that is SO MUCH WORSE than ANYTHING the Maladministration has done so far. Because that would be shrill. Or uncivil. Or something.

  194. 194.

    NR

    @SFAW: Clearly she, and everyone else who didn’t vote for Saint Hillary, just need to be insulted over and over again until they see the error of their ways. The beatings will continue until morale improves, and all that.

  195. 195.

    SFAW

    @NR:

    Clearly you — and everyone who is SOOOO upset that Bern-or-Bust-ers and “Doctor” Jill “I still think Hitlary would have been worse than Trump” Stein still seem to attract scorn and ridicule — need to get a fucking clue.

    And, you poor delicate Native Russian flower, if you think THIS is beatings, then you really DO have no fucking clue.

  196. 196.

    NR

    @SFAW: Well I suppose I have no choice but to bow to your superior wisdom. Your strategy was incredibly effective in the last election, as President Hillary Clinton can attest, so I don’t see how anyone could question it.

  197. 197.

    SFAW

    @NR:

    Clearly she, and everyone else who didn’t vote for Saint Hillary, just need to be insulted over and over again until they see the error of their ways.

    One can always hope that Sarandon sees the “error of her ways,” as you characterize it, but no one expects it.

    On the other hand, when she makes a big deal of “standing with the DREAMers,” after her over-the-top Hillary hatred in 2016 helped get us to this point, then she deserves any shit piled on her. She doesn’t (and you don’t) like it? Too fucking bad. Actions have consequences — at least for those persons not in the Trump crime family — and the ridicule is a relatively benign consequence.

    I’d hate to see you when things got REALLY hard.

  198. 198.

    NR

    @SFAW: You’re acting like I’m offended by any of this “ridicule.” I’m not. The ravings of morons are amusing to me, not offensive.

    I’m simply pointing out that insulting people isn’t the best way to win them over to your side. You’d think that this would be a pretty simple concept, but apparently it’s beyond some people.

  199. 199.

    SFAW

    @NR:

    Well I suppose I have no choice but to bow to your superior wisdom. Your strategy was incredibly effective in the last election, as President Hillary Clinton can attest, so I don’t see how anyone could question it.

    You might consider branching out into other areas, Native Russian. Being a Vladi-One-Note loses its effectiveness after the second time.

    You’re clearly too delicate to be ridiculed. Maybe “Romper Room” will return to TV, and you can be one of the widdle kiddies on it.

    In the meantime, you let us know when “Doctor” Jill Stein or the various Bern-or-Bust-ers stop with the “Hitlary would be worse” bullshit. They stop THAT shit, then they might see a little less ridicule. I would suggest you not hold your breath waiting for them even to consider that Shitgibbon might be worse than Hillary ever could be.

  200. 200.

    J R in WV

    @Amaranthine RBG:

    So glad for your support of America’s dessert = PIE!!!

    Thanks again to Major^4, Cleek, etc, etc. for your hard work making this work where I needed it to work!

  201. 201.

    SFAW

    @NR:

    No one wants to win you over, dumbshit. And the Bern-or-Bust-ers are just like the post-2000 Naderites — IF ONLY AL GORE HAD BEEN A BETTER CANDIDATE!!!!!!!!!! IT WOULDN’T HAVE EVEN BEEN CLOSE!!!!!!!!!! — with their heads up their asses. And Ralph Fucking Nader — just like Sarandon — tried the “He’ll make things so bad that there will be a generation-long wave of liberalism!”

    You don’t like the ridicule? Too fucking bad. And your pronouncements about chasing away potential Dem voters are about as useful as the “Be nice to Republicans and maybe they’ll work with us/Dems” myopia. Go over to Red Stoat, moron, if people here upset you so much. I’m sure they’ll welcome you with open arms.

    До свидания, Мудак

  202. 202.

    J R in WV

    @Raoul:

    The New York Times has just gone to shit in some very upsetting ways. Other parts of the paper are still very good, but A-section political coverage is just garbage.

    The New York Times, which was able to pretend to be a great newspaper for many years, really gave it up in the late 1930s when it praised Adolf Hitler for being much more level headed than predicted. That passed, the WW II was won with much bloodshed, the NY Times praised the late leader of the Free World Franklin Delano Roosevelt and the brave Americans who conquered (with the help of the Red Army) the European Nazi scourge and the Japanese Imperial Navy and Army, with the help of Australia, Burma, India, etc.

    There is a deep rot at the NY Times, they have praised evil doers in SE Asia, in the Middle East, in Eastern Europe, and in the heartland of the United States. They are why the craven lies about the Clintons caught hold, them and the TV network FOX. Murdoch and the owners* managers of the Times, the Arthur Ochs Sulzberger Jr. family, have conspired together to kill democracy and freedom. Liberal Mass Media my rosy ass.

    * The other and major owner of the NY Times is Carlos Slim, silent partner and owner of the largest block of stock after I bothered to look it up.

  203. 203.

    NR

    @SFAW:

    You don’t like the ridicule?

    I already said I don’t give a shit about it. Do you have a problem with reading comprehension?

    But the fact that you care more about ridiculing people than actually winning elections tells me a lot.

  204. 204.

    SFAW

    @NR:

    I already said I don’t give a shit about it.

    And yet, here you are, whining about it.

    Do you have a problem with reading comprehension?

    No. You on the other hand, appear to have comprehension problems with both reading, and reality in general.

    But the fact that you care more about ridiculing people than actually winning elections tells me a lot.

    Yeah, yeah, whatever you think you gotta say to salve your bruised feelings. I don’t recall how to say “Mommy!!!” pa Pусский, but right now is about the time for you to call for her, maybe she can dry your angry tears.

    Come back when you find a new schtick. Actually, if you get one, try it out on Red Stoat first — they LOOOOVE Vladi over there.

    До свидания, Мудак

    ETA: Oh, and the “not caring about winning elections” bullshit? You seem to be trying to convey that there’s an election coming up anytime soon. The election we’re talking about happened 10 months ago, moron.

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