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Every one of the “Roberts Six” lied to get on the court.

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The party of Reagan has become the party of Putin.

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As if Texas needed any more grief right now!…

… Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.), who has been involved in previous bipartisan immigration reform efforts, said he would support Trump’s plan to end DACA after a six-month delay. In a statement, Graham said the program amounted to “presidential overreach” by President Barack Obama, who created it by executive action in 2012…

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Trump is poised to “break the hearts and offend the morals of all who believe in justice and human dignity.” She called on Republicans to pursue legislation to protect dreamers “from the senseless cruelty of deportation and shield families from separation and heartbreak.”

Trump’s decision to include a six-month delay could be a bid to shift some of the political pressure and consequences over the dreamers onto congressional Republicans. House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (Wis.), Sen. Orrin G. Hatch (Utah) and several other GOP leaders have urged Trump not to end the program and to let Congress pursue its own course of action.

The president and his senior advisers continued to deliberate Monday afternoon, and aides cautioned that Trump could still change his mind ahead of the announcement. Important details such as whether the administration would continue to accept DACA applications and issue renewals for two-year work permits during the six-month delay remained unresolved…

Meanwhile, leading Democrats have said privately that they think Trump has been boxed in politically. His inability to secure funding for the border wall is wearing down support among his base, these Democrats said, while his hard-line immigration rhetoric is hurting him with moderates.

When rumors about Trump’s expected actions on DACA first surfaced nearly two weeks ago, Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) tweeted that dreamers “are not a bargaining chip for the border wall” funding or to pay for an “inhumane deportation force.” …

Apart from bracing for fresh horrors, what’s on the agenda as we start an abbreviated work week?

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  2. 2.

    Cermet

    A good start to the work week (being short!) – also, feeling far better and even getting more than four hours of sleep every night (but still waking up in very bad pain) – a definite improvement over last week when sleep was a real trial to endure. While far from out of the woods, did learn an important lesson – almonds and anything almond related is a big no for me; pity, they are rather good. Live (or try too, lol) and learn.

  6. 6.

    BC in Illinois

    A note I saw on Shareblue, while looking at an article about Pence / Comey / Russia:

    It’s been 200 days since Trump’s last solo press conference. . . . .
    Since taking office, he has held only one such event, on Feb. 16. . . . The closest thing to a press conference he has held was a press availability in August to talk about infrastructure that devolved into a completely unhinged, defensive rant about the terrorist attack that killed a woman in Charlottesville, Virginia, where he offered his support for neo-Nazis and white supremacists, calling them “very fine people.” . . . . President Bill Clinton held 12 solo news conferences in 1993, President Barack Obama had 11 in 2009, and President George W. Bush had 5 in 2001.

    Not that I want to see more of him, but “run away” is not a good look for a national leader.

  9. 9.

    Mustang Bobby

    We are keeping a nervous watch in Hurricane Irma down here. The latest forecast (5 a.m. EDT) has it moving south and west of Miami, but that doesn’t mean we’re in the clear by any means. I’m as ready as I can be with canned food, bottled water, paid-up renters insurance, and full tanks in both cars.

    I got a surprise yesterday when I tried to go to Walgreen’s to pick up some batteries for the radio and found out the battery in the Mustang was dead. I was able to get a tow via AAA to the local shop and get it replaced, counting my blessings that it happened in the middle of a day I was off work rather than trying to get out to work. Oh, and when I finally got to Walgreen’s, they were out of batteries.

  10. 10.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @raven: I’m not sure which time you are referring to. I’ve been going thru a period of midnight to 2 am wakeups. It is possible that there was some evening where I popped in while I was taking care of some other business on the internet, but that is very rare for me.

  13. 13.

    p.a.

    @OzarkHillbilly: Dooooood! Just discovered Boulevard Brewery at a packie beertasting; it’s from flyover country near you. Great stuff, been here in the Biggest Little since about 2016. Tried their Calling IPA (nice but Dogfish Head 90 is my go-to), Tank 7 Farmhouse Ale (++), Dark Truth Stout (good but pretty standard stout), Berliner Weisse (dry, champagne-y, ++, bought it.)

  15. 15.

    Ben Cisco

    @rikyrah: Good morning!

    Back at work after a week and change at my mom’s place; we started the process of going through Dad’s things. It was good to be there, but it was definitely more work than vacation.

  16. 16.

    JPL

    @Mustang Bobby: Did you find batteries elsewhere? You still have prep time, but I assume that Scott will call for mandatory evacs, just to show up that Houston mayor.

  18. 18.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @p.a.: They’ve got some good stuff (out of KC), I really like their sampler 12 packs. Schlafly is the ‘major’ micro brewery on the STL side of the state. My older brother just introduced me to Piney River Brewing Co. south of Rolla in Texas County. Pretty good stuff, I’ll be making a pilgrimage to their taproom this fall I think. There are plenty of motels in Houston so I don’t have to drive home afterwards.

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    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    Isn’t that just like a Republican to bitch about “executive overreach” when the real immediate issue is the lives of Dreamers being ruined, ostensibly by some abstract legal issue? If there was already legislation protecting their status then ending the DACA based on “executive overreach” would be a little more credible. The real issue is that a lot of their base hates anyone who doesn’t look like them. That’s why Graham “bent the knee” so to speak on this isssue.

  20. 20.

    Immanentize

    First full day of school as a Junior for the Immp. He is very excited — already up. Unheard of. Calculus, physics, physics design, English and ???? Kind of a bear semester but he is very pleased he got all the courses he wanted. And Cross Country….

  21. 21.

    Mustang Bobby

    @JPL: I tried another Walgreen’s on the way in to the office. No D-cells. But I can plug the radio into the UPS under my desk if need be.

    There were no mandatory evacuations in my area during Katrina and Wilma in ’05, and with Miami traffic the way it is on a sunny day, what fresh hell it would be under a hurricane.

  25. 25.

    satby

    @Cermet: @OzarkHillbilly: I don’t know either, but sounds like a serious allergic reaction. Tree nuts and shellfish are two of the worst. Glad you’re feeling a bit beter Cermet, and if it was an allergic reaction, get and keep an epipen on you at all times. Once you have a serious reaction to anything, the next exposure could be deadly.

  31. 31.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    @efgoldman:
    I hope, but I’m not 100% confident in that. If the Iraq War and the Great Recession under Bush couldn’t do it, I don’t know what will. Of course, the country is, (I think as a whole) further left than it was even a decade ago. If the Left wasn’t so focused on stupidly emulating the communist parties of the 1930s and fighting against moderate leftist parties then we might be better off.

  32. 32.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    @Baud:
    That goes without saying. They’re fine with executive overreach when it suits them. At least we try to protect the innocent when we do it. The Grand Oligarchy Party can’t say the same can it?

  34. 34.

    debbie

    @Immanentize:

    I remember being excited the first day of school. The headmaster soon bullied me out that attitude. Good luck to Immp with all that math and science stuff!

  35. 35.

    MomSense

    @Immanentize:

    Happy first day of school for the Immp. Cross country meets are the strangest. You stand around in a field and wait until the end when the runners reach the finish and you can finally see them. My kid starts eighth grade today.

  36. 36.

    Immanentize

    @efgoldman:
    I was a bandy until my senior year — great experience.

    I just checked, his other two classes are Spanish and Computer Science.

  38. 38.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @p.a.: We do like our smallmouths down here, some real monsters lurking in the deeper holes of the lesser known cricks. I tied into one on the Current that was on the line just long enough for me to catch a glimpse of his side and tail as he slapped the surface. Stopped my heart, he was that big.

    My brother had the Black Walnut Wheat for me to try and, dayum…. just dayum.

  39. 39.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    @Immanentize: Wow that sounds like a lot! I think the most I had to do was pre-calculus in Junior year. It’ll be worth it senior year, when he’ll be able to goof off a little more I’m sure. Hope Immp has a good first day!

  41. 41.

    bystander

    Just heard beltway idiot Glen Thrush on Moanin’ Joe describe how the generals around Trump, especially Kelly, have to keep him in check and Kelly is now reviewing his tweets about state issues before twitler is allowed to post. Thrush then queried what, after all, would HRC be doing any differently about Korea. As if Clinton would be unfocused, acting only on her emotional reactions, blurting out empty threats, insulting South Korea, and alienating our traditional allies, threatening to leave NATO, threatening trade wars with South Korea and China, and shrieking about blowing up our credit to fund a useless wall. The bothsiderist bullshit is disgusting. Yes, I’m sure there would be no difference.

  43. 43.

    satby

    @Ben Cisco: I know what you mean.
    I remember clearing out a lot of stuff from my mom’s condo when my exchange daughters and I arrived on their spring break. Those girls helped all day without a single complaint and it was work! But it was another way to start the healing process, especially since my mom had died just a few hours before I could get there.

  44. 44.

    WereBear

    Convinced by discussion here over weekend: DACA is just the first step. Ultimate goal: the white bakery bag test and the decision that anyone not sufficiently “white” and Jeezusy and genderolled will be retroactively illegal and then deported.

  45. 45.

    bystander

    @Cermet: If you’re allergic to almonds, you should assume you are allergic to all nuts. It may be worth a trip to an allergist to determine what your allergies may be, so you can act accordingly. I’m allergic to shellfish and keep an epipen in the medicine cabinet, but only travel with oral benadryl.

    Hi, Imm. Glad to hear about enthusiasm for the new school year. That’s a feeling I miss in old age.

  50. 50.

    MJS

    @Immanentize: I loved cross country as a parent. Get there around start time, and you were looking at about half an hour, tops. Compared to wrestling, track and field, swimming, etc., I’ll take it any day.

  51. 51.

    bystander

    @Baud: Leading by not watching faux tv and tweeting endlessly. Competently consulting with her staffed-up administration of competent people instead of bullshitting with her relatives and party planners and extremist rumormongers.

  53. 53.

    WereBear

    @satby: That was a tough time, I remember.

    My aunt was visiting and we both discussed how our involvement with such issues have helped us go more minimal in our own lives.

  54. 54.

    randy khan

    I’m just wondering who the DACA/wall deal would be with. It’s hard for me to see Dems going along, so is this supposed to be a way to get Republican votes for both?

  57. 57.

    satby

    @WereBear: Yeah, I had that realization too! I’m a nester, I like my “stuff”; but over the next many years I do intend to disperse or donate all the extraneous stuff.

  59. 59.

    Lapassionara

    @Baud: Not to mention that the US would have an ambassador to South Korea, and she would not be threatening a trade war on Twitter with one of our allies.

  63. 63.

    Jeffro

    Yet more ways to do anything but the obvious: Since Impeaching Trumpov Is a Long Shot, Here’s Another Way to Protect the Country

    With the impeachment and removal of President Trump a long shot at best, there is another way to provide the country some protection from our unfit president: congressional government. The idea may seem far-fetched in this era of the “imperial presidency,” but there have been times in the nation’s history, especially in the decades after the Civil War but also to a lesser extent during the 1920s, when Congress ran the show on many critical matters and the president dared take no action without the approval of powerful committee chairmen.

    The clearest example of this, and the one most relevant to the current situation, was in 1865, when a Republican Congress seized control of federal administration of the defeated South from then-President Andrew Johnson. A Tennessean who saw himself as the defender of Southern white supremacy, Johnson refused to pursue the agenda of the Radical Republicans who wanted to break the power of the white ruling class in order to ensure the rights and the physical safety of newly freed blacks. When Johnson refused to compromise, Congress took charge. For some months, Congress wielded control not only over national policy but also over its implementation by the military.

    Congressional power even reached into the Cabinet. The secretary of war, Edwin Stanton, shared Congress’s aims and carried out congressional policies in the South, not Johnson’s. When Johnson fired Stanton, the House voted to impeach him. Johnson escaped conviction in the Senate by one vote — thus showing the difficulty of removing a president even in extreme circumstances — but for some months Congress controlled the most important national policies and during that time prevented the president from undermining the achievements of the war.

    So…the guy’s unstable enough, and it’s apparent to enough folks, that we’re looking at ways to protect. our. country. from its own. leader., and the solution is to turn to Congress? That hallowed institution currently polling at something like 11% popularity?

    sigh

    Whenever you’re ready, Republicans…and since you never will be, where’s my March For Shame, again?

  65. 65.

    satby

    @efgoldman: @Jeffro: I cannot figure out a rationale for “open carry swords and machetes” at all. Just wait till the random stabbing and beheadings start, and the right wing starts pushing for a “good guy with a sword” to stop the “bad guy with a machete”.
    Seriously nuts.
    I’m starting to hate this country.

  68. 68.

    Jeffro

    @satby: There is no rationale, other than banning swords/machetes = banning some sort of weapon, and lord knows we can’t have that. I’m being completely serious…they must think it would weaken their argument for carrying hand cannons around.

  73. 73.

    ThresherK

    Who knows of a good writer who takes apart The Intercept? I’m not giving that shithole one click, but I’ve got my doubts about their story. Seems that the Dem superdelegates all got together to laugh at single-payer, and then poured a bucket of pig’s blood on single-payer’s head after switching out the votes to get it installed as prom queen.

    Somewhere that article crosses the line into non-believability.

  81. 81.

    Jeffro

    @OzarkHillbilly: I think being willing to legalize frickin’ swords to further their 2nd Amendment worship is part of their F.U.L. philosophy, sure. I hope they are okay with people toting small armories in their malls and parks.

  82. 82.

    O. Felix Culpa

    @efgoldman:

    Band or orchestra? I might have a lifetime prejudice in that direction.

    Music programs saved my life in high school – Concert Band, Marching Band, Concert Choir, and Madrigal Choir, along with private piano, organ, and guitar lessons. Kept me out of trouble and out of my home.

  83. 83.

    Bruce K

    The major problem with hoping Congress takes the lead on governing America is that there is a large and growing gap between the skill set required to win election to Washington as a Republican and the skill set required to competently administer a whorehouse, never mind a nation of almost a third of a billion people.

  84. 84.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @Jeffro:

    I hope they are okay with people toting small armories in their malls and parks.

    They are because only the right people will do so.

  89. 89.

    MomSense

    @MJS:

    I once had to set up a student art exhibit in the gym immediately following a wrestling practice – in the pre-febreze days. Wow.

  90. 90.

    Mike in DC

    “I’m proud to be a Democrat and wish Bernie were too.”
    And THAT is the proper way to shank someone in the prison yard.

  92. 92.

    bystander

    @satby:

    …the competition has been fierce for Broder’s empty chair, but Thrush may gain title yet.

    Wish that was a duel to the death.

  99. 99.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    @Immanentize:

    I wanted to properly offer my condolences to you and Immp on your wife’s passage from this realm. May she rest in peace, and may you find peace. Nothing like another school year to keep life moving forward between the guard rails tho. Good luck to both of you.

  100. 100.

    a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio)

    @OzarkHillbilly: I realize that where people set up a brewery is dependent on more than just the local name, but I can’t help thinking they’re missing out by not putting one in near Devil’s Elbow.

  102. 102.

    Mandarama

    @Immanentize: Best of luck to your kiddo! My oldest son is also a junior, taking similar classes and running XC. And driving, dear Lord and any/all benevolent deities give me strength. Please keep us posted on how the Immp’s year goes. I’d like to follow along with race times and so forth, although not the physics stuff!

    My younger boy is in 8th, like MomSense’s. I love watching them grow, but I wish so much I could hang on. I know, stupid cliche.

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