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There’s no action

by DougJ|  September 7, 201710:24 am| 134 Comments

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Kind of funny that Trump does what Pelosi tells him but doesn’t give a fuck what Paul Ryan wants.

NEWS: Source tells me @NancyPelosi called Trump this morning, asked him to tweet this https://t.co/A1z86V582Z

— Heather Caygle (@heatherscope) September 7, 2017

For all of those (DACA) that are concerned about your status during the 6 month period, you have nothing to worry about – No action!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 7, 2017

It makes sense, right? Pelosi’s the kind of House leader who takes away your committee assignments if you cross her. The worst thing Paul Ryan’s going to do to you is think angry thoughts about you while he’s rocking out to “Enter Sandman” during his P90X workout.

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  1. 1.

    Barbara

    September 7, 2017 at 10:34 am

    Well, thanks to Nancy Pelosi for sticking her neck out on behalf of dreamers. Every day just gets more bizarre.

  2. 2.

    scav

    September 7, 2017 at 10:35 am

    right. of course. everything is all about the rweets of government anymore.

  3. 3.

    randy khan

    September 7, 2017 at 10:35 am

    It would be hilarious if it turned out that the Dems are better at playing Trump than the Republicans. Maybe not surprising, as the Republicans aren’t surpassingly clever, but still hilarious.

  4. 4.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 7, 2017 at 10:36 am

    Tim Ryan would’ve won.

  5. 5.

    brendancalling

    September 7, 2017 at 10:37 am

    I’ve been reading several articles about what went down yesterday, and frankly I think Martin Longman nailed it.

    Trump and the GOP leadership had must-pass bills and want to avoid a government shutdown.
    They know they NEED the Democrats to pass this stuff.
    The Democrats made demands and the leadership realized they didn’t have much of a choice, but didn’t want their fingerprints on it.
    So Trump takes the Democrats’ deal and ZEGS and Yertle get to say Trump cut ’em off at the knees. It’s also an easy choice for Trump because the GOP simply can’t deliver his agenda and he wants a win.

  6. 6.

    Shell

    September 7, 2017 at 10:38 am

    But Kelly Conway says this is a GOOD deal. Funny how she couldnt name one Republican who agrees with her.

  7. 7.

    Doug!

    September 7, 2017 at 10:40 am

    @brendancalling:

    I agree with that completely. Bottom line is that Pelosi can deliver way more votes than Ryan can.

  8. 8.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 7, 2017 at 10:40 am

    @Shell: according to my CNN app Paul Ryan just said that he knows this will be good for Harvey victims.

  9. 9.

    Cermet

    September 7, 2017 at 10:44 am

    Again, it is likely tRump wants a dreamers act so he is focusing on achieving that while keeping his hands clean. The latest moves he has made supports that idea. Will he really follow thru? If he decides its in his best interest – absolutely (and he will change instantly if it appears he will look bad.) The dems have a real chance to save the dreamers act and the rump is even saying he is looking for a deal/way out. The dems play this carefully, they and the rump win – I can live with that if the dreamers are saved; fuck, give him his wall – it does nothing, anyway, we waste such sums all the time for other useless stuff but saving 800K kids is so worth while, this isn’t even a question.

  10. 10.

    JGabriel

    September 7, 2017 at 10:44 am

    @randy khan:

    It would be hilarious if it turned out that the Dems are better at playing Trump than the Republicans.

    I think Trump may be trying to place nice with Democrats so we won’t impeach him when we take over the House.

    Somehow, I don’t think that’s gonna work.

  11. 11.

    David Anderson

    September 7, 2017 at 10:44 am

    Doug — I added NANCY SMASH to the tags

  12. 12.

    Patricia Kayden

    September 7, 2017 at 10:45 am

    So this is the “healthcare” bill that McCain is comfortable in supporting. Maverick, indeed.

  13. 13.

    rikyrah

    September 7, 2017 at 10:45 am

    The Rachel Maddow Show 9/6/17
    Reversing denials, Facebook admits Russia-tied election ad buy

    Rachel Maddow looks back at the months of denials from Facebook that Russia was using their platform to interfere in the 2016 presidential election and notes that their admission to the contrary today is not only vindication for reporters but a new criminal matter for Special Counsel Robert Mueller to consider.

  14. 14.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 7, 2017 at 10:45 am

    @brendancalling: thanks for sharing that article, it’s the only thing I’ve read about all this that makes any sense.

  15. 15.

    lgerard

    September 7, 2017 at 10:45 am

    Paul Ryan does not think bad thoughts while he’s rocking out to “Enter Sandman” during his P90X workout.

  16. 16.

    bupalos

    September 7, 2017 at 10:48 am

    I actually don’t get it. I don’t get Trump’s play here, and as refreshing as it is to see R’s casting nervous, frustrated side-eye, it’s slightly disturbing – like the escaped gorilla was causing a lot of damage in the car dealership, so it’s nice they lured him out, but where’s he headed next?

    Pelosi writing Trump’s tweets for him is… just … horribly confusing.

  17. 17.

    Cheryl Rofer

    September 7, 2017 at 10:48 am

    But what is the reality for Dreamers? I have been seeing tweets that they must register every month. Why did Pelosi want this confusion? Is she going to put out a clarifying statement?

    WTF?

  18. 18.

    Jeffro

    September 7, 2017 at 10:51 am

    Hey folks, when y’all have time for a good long read (and I mean ‘quite good’ and ‘very long’): Ta-Nehisi Coates: Donald Trump is the First White President

    Trump is also the first president to have publicly affirmed that his daughter is a “piece of ass.” The mind seizes trying to imagine a black man extolling the virtues of sexual assault on tape (“When you’re a star, they let you do it”), fending off multiple accusations of such assaults, immersed in multiple lawsuits for allegedly fraudulent business dealings, exhorting his followers to violence, and then strolling into the White House. But that is the point of white supremacy—to ensure that that which all others achieve with maximal effort, white people (particularly white men) achieve with minimal qualification. Barack Obama delivered to black people the hoary message that if they work twice as hard as white people, anything is possible. But Trump’s counter is persuasive: Work half as hard as black people, and even more is possible.

  19. 19.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    September 7, 2017 at 10:51 am

    It makes sense, right? Pelosi’s the kind of House leader who takes away your committee assignments if you cross her. The worst thing Paul Ryan’s going to do to you is think angry thoughts about you while he’s rocking out to “Enter Sandman” during his P90X workout

    That makes sense in a crazy kind of Trump logic – he always rolls on his back like a dog for someone who isn’t just posturing. But really just boggles the mind watching it in action.

  20. 20.

    different-church-lady

    September 7, 2017 at 10:52 am

    @rikyrah: Facebook: seduces you into giving away your personal information so they can sell it to people who ruin your government. So that you can “connect” with people you forgot you wanted to know.

    And the dude who invented it all has designs on the presidency.

  21. 21.

    Davebo

    September 7, 2017 at 10:53 am

    @brendancalling: I can’t decide if Longman is correct here or not.

    But it’s an interesting theory.

  22. 22.

    O. Felix Culpa

    September 7, 2017 at 10:54 am

    @Jeffro: It’s an excellent article and eminently worth the long-form read.

  23. 23.

    geg6

    September 7, 2017 at 10:56 am

    The worst thing Paul Ryan’s going to do to you is think angry thoughts about you while he’s rocking out to “Enter Sandman” during his P90X workout.

    Oh man, good thing I had my office door closed. I truly LOL’d at that. Perfect.

  24. 24.

    Tilda Swintons Bald Cap

    September 7, 2017 at 10:57 am

    @rikyrah:Facebook should get a corporate death penalty. They are fucking evil. Just think they are probably seeing this comment too!

  25. 25.

    Quinerly

    September 7, 2017 at 10:58 am

    @Cheryl Rofer:
    Pelosi speaking live right now.

  26. 26.

    geg6

    September 7, 2017 at 10:58 am

    @brendancalling:

    I think he gives Dolt 45 waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much credit there. I think Josh Marshall has it exactly right:

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/why-did-trump-shiv-the-gop

  27. 27.

    Bruce K

    September 7, 2017 at 10:58 am

    @bupalos: Don’t forget, from recent evidence, Trump’s as politically short-sighted as a bat with glaucoma. He’s probably not thinking far past the fact that Pelosi and Schumer just threw him something of a political lifeline.

  28. 28.

    Bruce K

    September 7, 2017 at 11:01 am

    @geg6: Sorry, but I associate “Enter Sandman” with Mariano Rivera, whose rosin bag Paul Ryan isn’t worthy to tote.

  29. 29.

    eclare

    September 7, 2017 at 11:01 am

    @geg6: I agree, everything POS does is motivated by spite.

  30. 30.

    Oatler.

    September 7, 2017 at 11:04 am

    She sounds like one of Our Heroes right now, but I have unpleasant memories of her doing her best to strangle cannabis legalization. But then my memories are stroke-damaged and dope-eroded.

  31. 31.

    Jeffro

    September 7, 2017 at 11:05 am

    @geg6: Seconded here. Never give Trumpov credit for actually thinking about/planning something when the lashings-out of his damaged personality are sufficient explanation:

    Marshall:

    I don’t say this to discount the two Democrats’ savvy in pulling this off. I think they managed quite a coup. I just think that’s the true driver. It’s not clear to me whether Trump doesn’t realize that he hurt himself as much as he did Ryan and McConnell or whether he does realize it and simply doesn’t care. The core take remains the same. Trump’s core personal drive is the need to dominate. It’s been clear for weeks that he feels routinely betrayed by these two men. They don’t produce for him. They embarrass. They fail to defend him. The need to dominate runs deeper than any policy agenda or ideological ambition. People who are driven by the need to dominate are also often self-destructive. None of this is surprising.

  32. 32.

    MJS

    September 7, 2017 at 11:05 am

    @JGabriel: I think there’s an element of that at play, but I don’t think it hinges on the Democrats taking the House. I think it’s more in line of, “Look, I played nice with you, we’re friends now, so let’s just stop all this Russia investigation nonsense. Nancy, tell Schiff to back off and pipe down. Chuck, see what you can do about Mueller.” I’m not saying those words were actually spoken, at least not yet, but I wouldn’t be surprised if those thoughts factored into Trump’s (limited) calculations.

  33. 33.

    JGabriel

    September 7, 2017 at 11:05 am

    @different-church-lady:

    Facebook: seduces you into giving away your personal information so they can sell it to people who ruin your government. So that you can “connect” with people you forgot you wanted to know didn’t want to know anymore.

    Fixed it for you, hope you don’t mind. I mean, there’s usually a reason you lost touch with those people.

  34. 34.

    japa21

    September 7, 2017 at 11:05 am

    OT, but Penzey’s has done it again. First, they have offered their customers a chance to buy a $50 gift card for $20 which will be distributed through special channels to people who lost a lot of their kitchen supplies due to Harvey or Irma. May not seem like much, but spices are one of those things that most people don’t see as a priority but which are meaningful to many people.

    Today he talks about the release of Bridge on the River Kwai. Hdere is part of what Bill Penzey says:

    A few weeks back, pre-Harvey, an email arrived from a customer in the West of Texas frustrated at once again trying to reason with his mom about what her politics had become. I get it. Yes, for criminal prosecutions to take place we do need the Special Prosecutor to connect the dots. But do we really need all the dots perfectly connected before we object to what is going on here? Why is it that so many Americans who’ve lived their lives protecting the values of this country are now acting like it’s totally normal and perfectly reasonable for Fox News, Republican Leadership, and the former KGB to all be on the same page working towards the same goals?
    I share our West Texas customer’s frustrations, though not with my mom, she’s a rock. But the good news is that help on this front is chugging our way in the unlikely form of the 60th anniversary of the release of the classic film The Bridge on the River Kwai. Unless you are a film buff, if you are under fifty you’ve probably missed this one. Twenty years ago, on the original American Film Institute’s top 100 list, it was ranked 13th best of all time. If they come out with another top 100 this year it will be interesting to see if it’s still remembered.
    But where for the younger crowd this film might be the answer to a trivia question, for Americans in their sixties and seventies The Bridge on the River Kwai was so much more than just an accompaniment to good popcorn. For this crowd, Kwai was and still is a powerful story of how the need for self-worth and sense of accomplishment can ultimately leave us blind to the very values we hold most dear. It’s also a tale that, even in its very last moment, holds out hope for redemption. In this it’s a story for our time.

  35. 35.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 7, 2017 at 11:05 am

    @geg6: i don’t see how they’re in incompatible, especially if you assume that somebody else did his strategerizing for him and then got him to do it on the spite angle.

  36. 36.

    Barbara

    September 7, 2017 at 11:06 am

    @Jeffro: Although I think the article bogs down a bit in the middle, it is worth reading if just to get to the last paragraph:

    It has long been an axiom among certain black writers and thinkers that while whiteness endangers the bodies of black people in the immediate sense, the larger threat is to white people themselves, the shared country, and even the whole world. There is an impulse to blanch at this sort of grandiosity. When W. E. B. Du Bois claims that slavery was “singularly disastrous for modern civilization” or James Baldwin claims that whites “have brought humanity to the edge of oblivion: because they think they are white,” the instinct is to cry exaggeration. But there really is no other way to read the presidency of Donald Trump. The first white president in American history is also the most dangerous president—and he is made more dangerous still by the fact that those charged with analyzing him cannot name his essential nature, because they too are implicated in it.

  37. 37.

    geg6

    September 7, 2017 at 11:06 am

    @Bruce K:

    Well, I don’t know who Mariano Rivera is and I despise that song and that band, so it works for me. Metallica has always struck me as trying way too hard to be badasses (and they are really a bunch of whiny white men, as their film showed all too well) when they are really just a bunch of wannabes.

    Just like Paul Ryan.

  38. 38.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    September 7, 2017 at 11:06 am

    @bupalos: Think of Trump like a very stupid teenage boy; all that rage and angst because he’s trying on masks on how to be an adult and looking for mentors. This is what Bannon and Putin pulled on Trump and now the Democrats are doing it (dare we suggest Pelosi is playing the mother Trump never had? The mind boggles)

    I also suspect Kelly has a hand in this too – he’s general so he’s going to think in terms of two hurricanes, expelling the dreamers as a national disaster and push Trump to work with who ever is willing to fix the problems.

  39. 39.

    Frankensteinbeck

    September 7, 2017 at 11:08 am

    Hmmm. Somebody said Trump’s objection to repealing DACA was that he knew there would be anger and he didn’t want to be blamed. That makes sense as one of the higher orders of Trump thought. It makes sense he could be manipulated to shift blame away from himself.

    @Patricia Kayden:
    McCain always supported horrible Medicaid gutting ACA repeal bills. McCain was only the no vote required to stop a coward’s bill whose only purpose was to be chucked to the House.

  40. 40.

    JGabriel

    September 7, 2017 at 11:08 am

    @MJS:

    I think there’s an element of that at play, but I don’t think it hinges on the Democrats taking the House. I think it’s more in line of, “Look, I played nice with you, we’re friends now, so let’s just stop all this Russia investigation nonsense. …”

    Good point. I agree there’s probably a major element of that attitude too.

  41. 41.

    geg6

    September 7, 2017 at 11:10 am

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Again, too convoluted for the Shitgibbon. The easiest and most likely answer is this is Trump asserting his domination, strategery, ideology and future consequences be damned.

    You guys are all acting like he’s Sun Tzu or something.

  42. 42.

    Arclite

    September 7, 2017 at 11:13 am

    I wonder if The Donald is just so pissed at the Repubs that he’s playing ball with the Dems just to spite them.

  43. 43.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    September 7, 2017 at 11:15 am

    @geg6:

    Tying into the other thread topic of white supremacy, the bar for Trump is so low it’s impossible for liberals still mourning what we’ve lost since Obama to wrap their minds around how low.

  44. 44.

    brendancalling

    September 7, 2017 at 11:15 am

    @Major Major Major Major: Martin Longman is often the only person who makes any sense, which is why i read him every single day.

    As a result, I win more arguments on Facebook. Low bar, I know, but still…

  45. 45.

    scav

    September 7, 2017 at 11:16 am

    @bupalos: I don’t get it either, it’s all terribly jr highish, this worrying about tweets and who wrote them and did he or didn’t he let you wear his pin and was it in public and I don’t know what. Yes, the Orange Balloon tweets a lot but that sooo short term sizzle to waste time anf political ooomph over, plus assumes the mythic source is telling the truth. source could just as well be with their own agenda and trying to herd dear leader away from the nasty dems by spreading rumors that they’re his boss and bridegroom and donnie hates that, so will immediately sit at a different lunch table etc etc etc.

  46. 46.

    randy khan

    September 7, 2017 at 11:16 am

    @Bruce K:

    Don’t forget, from recent evidence, Trump’s as politically short-sighted as a bat with glaucoma. He’s probably not thinking far past the fact that Pelosi and Schumer just threw him something of a political lifeline.

    Slight amendment: Pelosi and Schumer just threw him *what he thought is* something of a political lifeline.

    After all, it’s actually something of a trap for Republicans, which obviously Trump didn’t realize.

  47. 47.

    Bailey

    September 7, 2017 at 11:18 am

    I appreciate the nice Elvis Costello reference. Seems to be a nice summary of the Trump / Ryan / McConnell dynamic.

  48. 48.

    geg6

    September 7, 2017 at 11:18 am

    @brendancalling:

    I find him hit and miss myself. And lot too self-congratulatory. But I still read him. I find him to be right more often than wrong. About 60-40.

  49. 49.

    The Moar You Know

    September 7, 2017 at 11:19 am

    I wonder if The Donald is just so pissed at the Repubs that he’s playing ball with the Dems just to spite them.

    @Arclite: Of course. No other explanation needed.

  50. 50.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    September 7, 2017 at 11:24 am

    @Barbara: I beg to disagree – if “whiteness” is enough, then why is Trump so unique among the presidents as a totally inept buffoon? Not to mention how Trump shut out Jeb Bush who can be argued makes Trump look ethnic? I think the key to understanding Trump success is he is being viewed by his base as a celebrity in a reality tv show so that’s why all these vile acts of Trump and his crazy talk that would kill a normal politician instead gets his base more enthusiastic; it’s part of the show for them like Ozzi biting the head of a bat off on stage.

  51. 51.

    Gin & Tonic

    September 7, 2017 at 11:24 am

    @brendancalling:

    I win more arguments on Facebook

    You must be so very proud.

  52. 52.

    different-church-lady

    September 7, 2017 at 11:26 am

    @JGabriel: Yes, thank you, that’s much more like what I was reaching for.

  53. 53.

    Brendancalling

    September 7, 2017 at 11:31 am

    @Gin & Tonic: when you set your sights low, it’s hard to be disappointed!

  54. 54.

    Fair Economist

    September 7, 2017 at 11:33 am

    @brendancalling:

    So Trump takes the Democrats’ deal and ZEGS and Yertle get to say Trump cut ’em off at the knees. It’s also an easy choice for Trump because the GOP simply can’t deliver his agenda and he wants a win.

    That doesn’t work out well for the Republican congressional leadership, because now they’re all RINOs and in the line of fire for the nutcase media (MCCONNELL BETRAYS TRUMP!). I suspect this is more that the Democratic position is the only plausible approach and even Trump (or at least his advisors) recognize that. Ryan and McConnell are probably OK with it themselves but they need to oppose it to keep the Freedumb Caucus from turning on them. If there was any kind of discussion, though, they couldn’t say anything convincing because the Freedumb Caucus position is insane and so the Democratic positions would carry the day.

  55. 55.

    Leto

    September 7, 2017 at 11:35 am

    Chris Hayes politely disagrees:

    @chrislhayes: The is a dangerous and irresponsible lie. Honestly, this is so goddamn gross. DO NOT LISTEN TO HIM. YOU MUST REAPPLY WITHIN THE MONTH. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/905788459301908480 [twitter.com] »

  56. 56.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 7, 2017 at 11:35 am

    @geg6:

    You guys are all acting like he’s Sun Tzu or something.

    huh, and here I thought that Sun Tzu was known for more than having an advisor or two capable of rational thought

  57. 57.

    Kay

    September 7, 2017 at 11:36 am

    Steve Bannon tells CBS Catholic Bishops are opposed to what’s happening on DACA because “they need illegal aliens to fill the churches.”

    Oh, my goodness. How principled conservatives have changed in just a few short months. Lashing out. There’s a lot of lashing out. Is this a POSITIVE agenda? I don’t think so. Not a lot of love here.

  58. 58.

    Doug!

    September 7, 2017 at 11:37 am

    @Bailey:

    One of my EC favorites

  59. 59.

    Frankensteinbeck

    September 7, 2017 at 11:37 am

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques:
    Trump is the least competent, most freak show option precisely because of whiteness. Trump is the ‘your racist uncle’ stereotype. He is the ignorant asshole who loudly proclaims how easy minorities have it to people he knows don’t want to hear it. This is exactly the type of person hard racists find most appealing after a black president. He is a middle finger to Obama and validates them, letting them prove someone like themselves is better than any black man can be. (That plan is not working out so well.). They are pissed at merely semi-competent white men whose attempts to feign reasonableness have not stopped the slow progression of civil rights. They want a Nazi, they want him to be whiny and stupid, and fuck everyone who says that’s a bad idea.

  60. 60.

    Kay

    September 7, 2017 at 11:40 am

    I’d predict how the GOP base would react to this but I have no idea what the GOP base thinks or believes or will do. None.

    It seems like a stretch to think they’ll embrace the hated she-devil Nancy Pelosi but who knows? They all voted for this idiot.

  61. 61.

    bowtie jack

    September 7, 2017 at 11:42 am

    @geg6:

    Not only is he not Sun Tzu, my personal metaphor/analogy is the last 10 minutes or so of the original King Kong movie.

  62. 62.

    low-tech cyclist

    September 7, 2017 at 11:43 am

    A GOP operative: “Democrats got more done in a single Oval Office visit in one afternoon than the congressional Republicans have achieved all year.”

    Well of course – the Dems are still a party that values knowledge, and consequently knows how to get shit done. The GOP has devolved into an army of aging wingnut talk radio personalities*, knowing little about how anything actually works, and incapable of doing more than being outraged about whatever liberal stuff is currently on their radar.

    *ETA: Saying they have ‘personalities’ is a bit of a stretch, but couldn’t think of a more apt term.

  63. 63.

    Barbara

    September 7, 2017 at 11:45 am

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: I agree that it’s not an all or nothing proposition. Celebrity culture factors into the willingness of people to give Trump an aura of success he clearly does not deserve. At the same time, Trump made more nearly explicit appeals to racist impulses throughout his campaign than any politician since George Wallace. It’s that aspect of his campaign that too many journalists are willing to overlook in favor of a cleaner “class based” narrative. Also, I liked the fact that Coates took Sanders to task for his own embrace of that narrative — because Coates publicly endorsed Sanders last March, and I found it more than a little striking that he did not seem to consider this aspect of Sanders disqualifying, even then.

  64. 64.

    trollhattan

    September 7, 2017 at 11:45 am

    @Bailey:
    “And ev’ry time I phoneTweet you
    I just want to put you down.”

  65. 65.

    Kay

    September 7, 2017 at 11:46 am

    Bill Kristol‏Verified account @BillKristol 19h19 hours ago
    More
    As Trump tosses Republicans & conservatives under the bus one thinks: They chose dishonor over defeat, but they will have dishonor & defeat.

    This has actually been my personal experience. I have never seen a shred of evidence that the “enemy of my enemy is my friend”. No. Not true. Never once. Is it based on some epic historical battle or something? Do other people see that working in real life?

  66. 66.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 7, 2017 at 11:48 am

    @Kay: well, there’s always world war 2.

    ETA: and libertarians occasionally

  67. 67.

    low-tech cyclist

    September 7, 2017 at 11:50 am

    @Kay: My guess is that, for this brief moment, they see Pelosi the way we thought of Stalin during WWII. The real betrayers are those RINOs Ryan and McConnell, so if Der Trumpenfuhrer needs to ally with Pelosi and Schumer to bring down the RINOs, then so be it.

    By the weekend, Pelosi will once again be second only to the she-devil Hillary as the incarnation of all that is evil.

    ETA: Beaten to the punch by Major^4.

  68. 68.

    Aimai

    September 7, 2017 at 11:52 am

    @bupalos: not to me! Trump has no core so he needs constant mirroring and coaching, like a mother gives a very young infant. Pelosi of course, mother of five, recognized this emotiinal and intellectual incoherence and simply stepped forward to “name” for him an emotion (grandiosity, need for praise, longing to be loved) that she oropised could be satisfied with the presumed gratitude of the daca kids when they read the tweet. She is co-regulating and co-creating with him.

  69. 69.

    The Moar You Know

    September 7, 2017 at 11:56 am

    I have never seen a shred of evidence that the “enemy of my enemy is my friend”. No. Not true. Never once.

    @Kay: I laughed. So true. Let’s rephrase it:

    “The enemy of my enemy is an enemy I have the luxury of dealing with later”

  70. 70.

    trollhattan

    September 7, 2017 at 11:57 am

    @Barbara:
    I find Trump to be a very badly behaved and less-disciplined edition of Ronald Reagan. Reagan was an avuncular monster who caused a great deal of harm in his long, long eight years.

  71. 71.

    ruemara

    September 7, 2017 at 11:58 am

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: Did you read the whole article? You might find your answer there.

  72. 72.

    Felonius Monk

    September 7, 2017 at 12:00 pm

    @Kay: Once again Bill Kristol demonstrates his abject ignorance of political reality.

  73. 73.

    Kay

    September 7, 2017 at 12:00 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    I knew you brainiacs would know. What if the enemy of your enemy is just your enemy? You have several enemies?

    Anyway. As I said I don’t know what’s going on but it’s okay because Pelosi and Schumer are good at this and it’s their job. I think Trump always works on short term benefit to Trump- he’s easy- but that’s not what Pelosi and Schumer are up to.

  74. 74.

    Kay

    September 7, 2017 at 12:01 pm

    @Felonius Monk:

    The Never Trumpers crow a lot but they should- they were right. Trump is bad at this job. Ideology aside he’s bad at the job.

  75. 75.

    Peale

    September 7, 2017 at 12:04 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Really depends on what country you’re from. For us, working with the Soviets worked out just fine. If you’re Poland, though? its enemies enemies all round enemies.

  76. 76.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 7, 2017 at 12:04 pm

    @Kay: yeah, I like @The Moar You Know‘s phrasing a lot!

  77. 77.

    germy

    September 7, 2017 at 12:06 pm

    @Kay:

    he’s bad at the job.

    thank God.

    I worry the next one the GOP coughs up will be competent.

  78. 78.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 7, 2017 at 12:10 pm

    @Peale: well she asked for an example.

  79. 79.

    germy

    September 7, 2017 at 12:10 pm

    @Jeffro: From the Coates article:

    But racism occupies a mostly passive place in Packer’s essay. There’s no attempt to understand why black and brown workers, victimized by the same new economy and cosmopolitan elite that Packer lambastes, did not join the Trump revolution. Like Kristof, Packer is gentle with his subjects.

    When a woman “exploded” and told Packer, “I want to eat what I want to eat, and for them to tell me I can’t eat French fries or Coca-Cola—no way,” he sees this as a rebellion against “the moral superiority of elites.”

    In fact, this elite conspiracy dates back to 1894, when the government first began advising Americans on their diets. As recently as 2002, President George W. Bush launched the HealthierUS initiative, urging Americans to exercise and eat healthy food. But Packer never allows himself to wonder whether the explosion he witnessed had anything to do with the fact that similar advice now came from the country’s first black first lady.

    Packer concludes that Obama was leaving the country “more divided and angrier than most Americans can remember,” a statement that is likely true only because most Americans identify as white.

    The healthy eating advice suddenly became a major insult when Michelle Obama gave it. For every other administration before Obama’s, it was just simply healthy advice. They could follow it, they could ignore it, but they never felt personally aggrieved by it.

  80. 80.

    Aimai

    September 7, 2017 at 12:10 pm

    Id also add that for a person like trump adulation is a necessity–but people depending on him or requiring him to perform must be horrifying. He loves delivering for his crowds/voters but he is suck if them and their demands, because he feels rage/shame/fear of failure. As a result, to free himself, he is looking for ways to show his advisors, controllers, and his base that no one controls him. He is looking, for now, for new sources of narcissistic gratificatiin (ddms, daca) while spitefully showing old ones they don’t control him.

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    Kay

    September 7, 2017 at 12:11 pm

    @The Moar You Know:

    Right? You see it tested a lot in politics. There was that brief period where Lefties were enamored with Libertarians. That went well. That Firedog Lake alliance with Grover Norquist was a keeper. You never hear from either of them.

  82. 82.

    Aimai

    September 7, 2017 at 12:12 pm

    @germy: i agree with coates that race and racism is everywhere but this food/ elitism thing long predates it.

  83. 83.

    Iowa Old Lady

    September 7, 2017 at 12:12 pm

    The coverage of Trump’s cave to the Ds has been so scornful that I’m amazed he hasn’t already reversed himself.

    He hasn’t, has he?

    I expect him to lash out at puppies or something.

  84. 84.

    Kay

    September 7, 2017 at 12:15 pm

    @germy:

    Something like 40% of our school kids are overweight. We just had a report from the county health department. When the school board took up the Michelle Obama rules on school lunches they all opposed except one. He couldn’t believe they were opposing good food for kids, but they were. He’s gone. He got discouraged and quit.

    At the same time Karen Kasich (state First Lady) was doing the exact same thing, except she’s white. No one objected.

  85. 85.

    germy

    September 7, 2017 at 12:15 pm

    Coates:

    And so the most powerful country in the world has handed over all its affairs—the prosperity of its entire economy; the security of its 300 million citizens; the purity of its water, the viability of its air, the safety of its food; the future of its vast system of education; the soundness of its national highways, airways, and railways; the apocalyptic potential of its nuclear arsenal—to a carnival barker who introduced the phrase grab ’em by the pussy into the national lexicon. It is as if the white tribe united in demonstration to say, “If a black man can be president, then any white man—no matter how fallen—can be president.” And in that perverse way, the democratic dreams of Jefferson and Jackson were fulfilled.

  86. 86.

    Lulymay

    September 7, 2017 at 12:17 pm

    @geg6:

    What??? then you can’t be a NY Yankee fan!.. Mariano was the best – I say, the BEST relief pitcher of all time.

  87. 87.

    germy

    September 7, 2017 at 12:20 pm

    @trollhattan:

    He’s got the keys to the car
    They are the keys to the kingdom
    He’s got ev’rything you need
    It’s a shame that he didn’t bring them

  88. 88.

    Patricia Kayden

    September 7, 2017 at 12:22 pm

    @Kay: They probably love Trump so much that they’ll find a way to support this development. I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump supporters are more loyal to him than to the Republican Party.

  89. 89.

    Waratah

    September 7, 2017 at 12:22 pm

    @japa21: My father was owner of the prisoners that worked on that railroad. I have seen the original movie several times.

  90. 90.

    germy

    September 7, 2017 at 12:24 pm

    Donald Trump Jr. met behind closed doors with Senate investigators on Thursday, where he told them that he met with Russian government officials in 2016 to seek damaging information on Hillary Clinton because he was concerned she might not be fit for the office of the presidency.

  91. 91.

    Patricia Kayden

    September 7, 2017 at 12:25 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: Isn’t the goal of Democrats to get comprehensive immigration reform which would encompass the protection of Dreamers? I assume that is what Pelosi has in mind.

  92. 92.

    Kay

    September 7, 2017 at 12:25 pm

    Donald Trump Jr. told Senate investigators on Thursday that he set up a June 2016 meeting with a Russian lawyer because he was intrigued that she might have damaging information about Hillary Clinton, saying it was important to learn about Mrs. Clinton’s “fitness” to be president.

    The biggest lie Clinton ever told is that Trump raised good people. They’re bad people. They’re arrogant and entitled and dishonest. The idea that this clown is in a position to evaluate anyone’s “fitness” for anything is incredible. If 50% of people are above average and 50% are below the Trump children are in that second category. They don’t meet minimum standards.

  93. 93.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    September 7, 2017 at 12:26 pm

    My guess is he didn’t run this one past any lawyers. Maybe the old man, but no one else. Not even Jared

    Mark Mazzetti‏ @ MarkMazzettiNYT
    NEW: Trump Jr. Says He Wanted Russian Dirt to Determine Clinton’s ‘Fitness’ for Office

  94. 94.

    Patricia Kayden

    September 7, 2017 at 12:27 pm

    @Kay: And they deserve dishonor, defeat and destruction. They know dang well that Trump isn’t qualified for his current position. I hope his stint in the White House brings them all down.

  95. 95.

    Patricia Kayden

    September 7, 2017 at 12:27 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Because Trump is fit for the White House? Really, Dude?!

  96. 96.

    germy

    September 7, 2017 at 12:28 pm

    Trump Jr. said that nothing came out of his June 2016 meeting with Russian officials, and he denied that he colluded with the Russian government to undermine Clinton’s candidacy. He also argued that he was too overwhelmed and inexperienced to show better judgement about meeting with a officials from a rival government whose goal was to meddle in the American political process.

    “I had never worked on a campaign before and it was an exhausting, all-encompassing, life-changing experience,” he said. “Every single day I fielded dozens, if not hundreds, of emails and phone calls.”

    Aww.

  97. 97.

    StringOnAStick

    September 7, 2017 at 12:28 pm

    @geg6: I agree with Marshall; all the mango moron cares about is dominance and his insistence he must be immediately obeyed. That also explains a bit more to me why this election hit me so hard; this dominance crap is exactly what my RW jerk of a father has always been like, just to a lesser degree and with some empathy (totally lacking in mm). My dad at least likes animals.

  98. 98.

    Kay

    September 7, 2017 at 12:30 pm

    @Patricia Kayden:

    I had a pollworker who I trust tell me she had “never seen” the biggest Trump supporters before. She said they never came out before. I think that’s why they sometimes are so confused about ordinary things- they don’t know that Katrina happened under Bush. They only started paying attention with Trump. It’s why they say they are confident Trump won’t cut Social Security or Medicaid. They’re not Republicans.

    The same thing happened with young Obama supporters. They didn’t identify as Democrats. They were young though, which is an excuse.

  99. 99.

    Bruce K

    September 7, 2017 at 12:32 pm

    @randy khan:

    Slight amendment: Pelosi and Schumer just threw him *what he thought is* something of a political lifeline.

    Fair enough, which is why I had that note about the political nearsightedness.

  100. 100.

    Davebo

    September 7, 2017 at 12:32 pm

    Limbaugh puts out a word salad that’s amazing even for him!

  101. 101.

    Kay

    September 7, 2017 at 12:33 pm

    @germy:

    I love how the Trump kids pretend no one else could do these jobs they’re not qualified for. That’s entitlement. It’s a not-seeing that has to be bred from birth. Why should he have a job he says he can’t do? Because he’s entitled to anything and everything.

  102. 102.

    Otis Freeman

    September 7, 2017 at 12:33 pm

    @trollhattan: While I’m not sure I’m onboard with any comparison of Trump to Reagan (who after all was mostly coherent, wrote a political column for years, was a Governor, etc.), I 1000% agree that our downfall started with Reagan. He was a monster. Not sure why more people don’t get this. Our vast income inequality started with the Reagan tax cuts and the failed supply-side economics theory.

  103. 103.

    germy

    September 7, 2017 at 12:34 pm

    @StringOnAStick:

    this dominance crap is exactly what my RW jerk of a father has always been like, just to a lesser degree and with some empathy (totally lacking in mm).

    I heard an interview with Dana Carvey. He said he grew up with an authoritarian, abusive father. He got calls from his siblings around the time trumpf started his campaign. “He’s just like Bud!” (through the interview, Carvey referred to his father by his first name, instead of “father” or “dad”).

    The same bullying, the same self-aggrandizement.

  104. 104.

    Jake the antisoshul soshulist

    September 7, 2017 at 12:34 pm

    @different-church-lady:
    So you can reconnect with people who you haven’t spoken to fifteen years. And who now remind you of why not.

  105. 105.

    japa21

    September 7, 2017 at 12:35 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Two things.
    First, that isn’t his job, that’s the voters. (Of course they blew it big time).

    Secondly, my guess is he was looking to see if the Russians had Clinton on tape saying something about how neat it was that she could just go up to some guy and grab him by the dick and he couldn’t do anything about it because she was famous.

  106. 106.

    germy

    September 7, 2017 at 12:36 pm

    @Otis Freeman:

    I 1000% agree that our downfall started with Reagan.

    Not Nixon?

    I’m old enough to remember when Nixon resigned, and I voted for Carter, thinking the “good guys have won.”

    I didn’t know about Roger Stone or Cheney or Buchanan and their ilk who rose again.

  107. 107.

    Amir Khalid

    September 7, 2017 at 12:37 pm

    @Kay:
    His voters elected a man who was obviously going to be bad at the job in every way. I have come to believe they felt affronted by Obama’s display of competence and class while black, and would not stand for four more years of competence and class from a woman, least of all a woman they had learned to hate.

  108. 108.

    MattF

    September 7, 2017 at 12:42 pm

    @brendancalling: Kevin Drum has a similar take, but he admits that almost no one buys it. Is it possible that Donald Trump is acting out of enlightened self-interest? Not believable.

  109. 109.

    germy

    September 7, 2017 at 12:43 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    least of all a woman they had learned been taught to hate.

  110. 110.

    MJS

    September 7, 2017 at 12:45 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: “I robbed the bank because I was concerned that the $100 bills were counterfeit. I didn’t want them getting into circulation if they were. I did it as a public service. You’re welcome. Now, I assume I’m free to go, officer.”

  111. 111.

    germy

    September 7, 2017 at 12:45 pm

    @Kay:

    Why should he have a job he says he can’t do? Because he’s entitled to anything and everything.

    His whining about dealing with “dozens… maybe hundreds” of emails. Jesus! Has he ever worked a day in his life? Of course not.

    If I had ever complained to my boss about having to deal with dozens of emails, maybe hundreds! I would have been fired on the spot.

  112. 112.

    Cheryl Rofer

    September 7, 2017 at 12:53 pm

    @Patricia Kayden: Pelosi takes credit for Trump’s tweet that Dreamers are safe, don’t have to take any steps. That appears not to be the current reality, which requires repeated registrations. That disjunction needs to be clarified, and soon.

  113. 113.

    Jeffro

    September 7, 2017 at 12:53 pm

    @germy: same thing with tan suits, sleeveless dresses, etc etc. Got to keep up the double standards or it all falls apart. That article really is something.

  114. 114.

    Jeffro

    September 7, 2017 at 12:57 pm

    @germy: This is the thing that just about killed me, in dealing with conservative friends and relatives: can’t you see how his monumental unfitness for office endangers us all? But in the end, he’s white and male and that was enough. Unbelievable.

  115. 115.

    The Moar You Know

    September 7, 2017 at 1:04 pm

    Donald Trump Jr. met behind closed doors with Senate investigators on Thursday, where he told them that he met with Russian government officials in 2016 to seek damaging information on Hillary Clinton because he was concerned she might not be fit for the office of the presidency.

    @germy: Prosecutors tend not to give a shit about WHY you robbed a bank. Hopefully that holds true here.

  116. 116.

    TenguPhule

    September 7, 2017 at 1:05 pm

    @Cermet:

    I can live with that if the dreamers are saved; fuck, give him his wall – it does nothing, anyway, we waste such sums all the time for other useless stuff but saving 800K kids is so worth while, this isn’t even a question.

    Let’s not get carried away here.

    Trump is still a fucking Russian backed Traitor, asshole and general menace to all life on Earth.

  117. 117.

    Leto

    September 7, 2017 at 1:08 pm

    @germy: I’m sure Mueller and team will love this.

    “Sir, you’re making our job too easy.”

  118. 118.

    Fair Economist

    September 7, 2017 at 1:08 pm

    @Cermet:

    I can live with that if the dreamers are saved; fuck, give him his wall – it does nothing, anyway, we waste such sums all the time for other useless stuff but saving 800K kids is so worth while, this isn’t even a question.

    The first immigration deal in 2007 had much stricter border controls (a “wall” to the media) along with path to citizenship provisions. It’s a reasonable deal. Conservatives get billions wasted on something ineffectual, the rest of us get justice.

  119. 119.

    The Moar You Know

    September 7, 2017 at 1:11 pm

    If I had ever complained to my boss about having to deal with dozens of emails, maybe hundreds! I would have been fired on the spot.

    @germy: Looking at my work inbox. 32,219 unread emails (those will not get read). Far more have been read and dealt with. Cry me a river, Donnie Two Scoops Junior.

  120. 120.

    TenguPhule

    September 7, 2017 at 1:14 pm

    @Kay:

    What if the enemy of your enemy is just your enemy? You have several enemies?

    The enemy of my enemy is who is also my enemy can serve to weaken my enemies by becoming their punching bag instead of me.

  121. 121.

    Gelfling 545

    September 7, 2017 at 1:14 pm

    @Jeffro: Trump is mad at Ryan and McConnell so this is his “you’re not the boss pf me” play because it will piss off the people he’s pissed at. Also as the GOP has not been remarkably successful with giving him pieces of legislation to sign ( he doesn’t care what) they are losers so someone must be winning and that would be Shumer & Pelosi. Trump likes to hang with winners.

  122. 122.

    Hoodie

    September 7, 2017 at 1:15 pm

    The dominance theory is plausible, but Longman also makes sense. Trump is caught in a trap if his own making. The DADA rescission is one of a series of panders to the xenophobic racist base in order to shore up lousy ratings after the Obamacare repeal fiasco. However, it’s a much bigger potential disaster because there’s not even a half-assed rationale for it. It’s just pure racism, which is why Sessions publicly masturbated in announcing it. Trump probably knows it’s a pr disaster, and what better way to try to ameliorate that than try to make friends with Chuck and Nancy? Nancy pretends to go along but further exposes him by encouraging him to tweet promises about the Dream Act that he can’t fulfill without Ryan ditching the Hastert Rule. Three months from now, when Houston is getting good and moldy and half of South Florida is devastated, she has his nuts -along with Ryan’s- in a vise once again.

  123. 123.

    HRA

    September 7, 2017 at 1:15 pm

    In order to understand what occurred with Trump, Schumer and Pelosi, you need to understand that Trump and his family have been known as Democrats and supporters of Democrat candidates. Some Republicans have been making the comment daily at other blogs and news outlets.
    Trump has been angry and upset with Ryan and McConnell since they did not support him even before the primaries. The slow burn erupted when they have been not getting what he wanted to be done.
    We know Trump wants short concise intelligence reports given to him daily. Schumer and Pelosi gave him what he wanted in one sentence.

  124. 124.

    TenguPhule

    September 7, 2017 at 1:20 pm

    @Otis Freeman:

    I 1000% agree that our downfall started with Reagan. He was a monster. Not sure why more people don’t get this. Our vast income inequality started with the Reagan tax cuts and the failed supply-side economics theory.

    Because he was a “godly” man.

    I shit you not. Their rose colored glasses stem from Reagan’s personal charisma and their insane belief that he was a “good man” who made the country great by cutting taxes and fixing the “mess” that President Carter made.

    You can argue facts with them until you’re blue in the face, but they will simply say “you’re biased” and “where are your sources?” and “AP and Reuters are liberal propaganda”

  125. 125.

    Van Buren

    September 7, 2017 at 1:22 pm

    @geg6: Countless heads in New York will explode at the concept of being ignorant of the magnificence of Mariano Rivera.

  126. 126.

    TenguPhule

    September 7, 2017 at 1:22 pm

    @Jeffro:

    This is the thing that just about killed me, in dealing with conservative friends and relatives: can’t you see how his monumental unfitness for office endangers us all?

    They can’t. Its a literal blind spot. :”Oh he can’t be that bad!” is a phrase I’m sick to death of hearing from those people.

    Some slaves just insist on putting on their own chains.

  127. 127.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    September 7, 2017 at 1:26 pm

    Brian Fallon‏Verified account @ brianefallon 3h3 hours ago
    I’ll take Pelosi wringing concessions out of Trump over Tim Ryan carrying Trump’s water on corporate taxes any day

  128. 128.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    September 7, 2017 at 1:31 pm

    @Barbara: Obviously racial attitudes is going effect who Trump appeals to or offends (and going by my theory isn’t impossible that a lot of his base find Trump offensive but it is part of the thrill to them) But it’s not like Trump is the first modern conservative to scream the n world out endlessly yet he didn’t limited as some racist nativist boutique candidate. Beyond the racism and sexism Trump just says blatantly dumb things and he is a painfully obvious liar, screws up the simplest of human interactions, a blowhard and not to mention Trump’s little treason with the Russian thing, which in itself should be a deal breaker with the white males, yet his base loves him for it. That sounds more like Ozzie Ozborn fans were Ozzies random weirdness is the draw and not normal politics.

    Just look at DACA as example of thrill seeking by playing chicken with the future of the country. Trump repeals DACA, oh ahh, then every adult in Washington and beyond points out that losing these people will cripple the economy and there is mad scramble to fix it.

    And ya’ Sandars and his curious for a liberal Black Lives Matter problems is more like what white privilege looks like.

  129. 129.

    Miss Bianca

    September 7, 2017 at 1:37 pm

    @germy: As our Betty Cracker has noted…”I’m all out of ‘can’t.evens'”
    Or words to that effect.

  130. 130.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    September 7, 2017 at 1:43 pm

    @ruemara: Any aritcle that starts with special pleading fallacy like “you can’t understand this because you are a white male” has little to no intrest in me. Call it a weakeness but that smacks of both racism and sexism to me on the same level as an article starting off as “black women could never understand,…”

  131. 131.

    Miss Bianca

    September 7, 2017 at 1:43 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    His voters elected a man who was obviously going to be bad at the job in every way. I have come to believe they felt affronted by Obama’s display of competence and class while black, and would not stand for four more years of competence and class from a woman, least of all a woman they had learned to hate.

    And there you have it, in a nutshell. White grievance is going to be the death of us all. Even leftists are wallowing in it, with their “Bernie was WOBBED” bullshit and their pre-emptive hatchet jobs on Harris and Gillibrand.

  132. 132.

    geg6

    September 7, 2017 at 2:57 pm

    @Lulymay:

    Not only do I totally despise the fucking NY Yankees (I’m a Pirates fan, if anything, and not even really that), but I wouldn’t watch baseball on a bet. I go to Pirate games because PNC Park is simply a spectacularly beautiful ballpark, but I never watch the games. I find it even more boring than golf and I find golf to be painfully boring.

  133. 133.

    geg6

    September 7, 2017 at 3:05 pm

    @Van Buren:

    Countless heads in New York should get out of the asses they are embedded in if they think anyone outside of New York knows or gives a shit.

  134. 134.

    geg6

    September 7, 2017 at 3:08 pm

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques:

    I could buy that if most white males weren’t so clueless and destructive of everyone and everything else. If there is one thing that one can be confident about, it’s that most white males pretty much don’t understand anything that isn’t directly related to whites males and what makes them happy.

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