This proves that Antifa are the real problem:
Want to market Nazi memorabilia, or recruit marchers for a far-right rally? Facebook’s self-service ad-buying platform had the right audience for you.
Until this week, when we asked Facebook about it, the world’s largest social network enabled advertisers to direct their pitches to the news feeds of almost 2,300 people who expressed interest in the topics of “Jew hater,” “How to burn jews,” or, “History of ‘why jews ruin the world.’”
To test if these ad categories were real, we paid $30 to target those groups with three “promoted posts” — in which a ProPublica article or post was displayed in their news feeds. Facebook approved all three ads within 15 minutes.
Facebook has since disabled this, but I bet you still can do similar things to target racists and Islamophobes.
Major Major Major Major
Data that can be mined, will be mined, sooner or later.
Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD)
I haven’t used Facebook in two years, and shit like this indicates that I made the right decision.
Who should we all train our guns on in the leadup to the 2020 primaries? Cuomo or Zuckerberg?
NotMax
GIGO, in a nutshell.
Baud
Blaming anyone but Hillary is not allowed.
dmsilev
I’m shocked. No, wait, I’m not.
Major Major Major Major
@Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD): Like Zuck would run as a Dem.
efgoldman
The intartoobz are the most wonderful, useful; thing ever.
Except when it isn’t.
Doug!
@Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD):
I don’t think Zuck is running so Cuomo.
germy
more leaks to the new yawk times:
Eight years of President Obama, I never saw the word “outburst” used in a sentence about him. Not once.
TenguPhule
@efgoldman:
Except when they aren’t.
TenguPhule
@germy:
Surprised this didn’t leak earlier, given that distinguished audience.
Major Major Major Major
Contacted about the anti-Semitic ad categories by ProPublica, Facebook removed them, explaining that they had been generated algorithmically. The company added that it would explore ways to prevent similarly offensive ad targeting categories from appearing in the future.
Yet when Slate tried something similar Thursday, our ad targeting “Kill Muslimic Radicals,” “Ku-Klux-Klan,” and more than a dozen other plainly hateful groups was similarly approved. In our case, it took Facebook’s system just one minute to give the green light.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@Baud:
I posted a New Yorker article on AH.com and I got kicked for a week for it:
All I did was post an article in the Chat section! I wasn’t accusing anyone of sexism. One can certainly dislike HRC without being a woman-hater. I made it clear in that thread that I was only talking about a fringe minority of Sanders supporters.
Baud
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: What is AH.com?
TenguPhule
@Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD):
Why is this either/or?
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@Baud:
Alternatehistory.com, abbreviated. The admin there kicked me for, imo, ridiculous reasons. He was reaching with the rules. I wasn’t the only one who got kicked either. I even PM’d him almost two days ago contesting the kick. No response. Not too happy right now. They even have a Hall of Infamy thread in the Chat section that reports people who have been kicked/banned. I couldn’t even speak up in my own defense. It is what is I guess.
Major Major Major Major
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: you need to spend your time on better parts of the Internet.
Baud
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:
Alternatehistory.com doesn’t sound like a reputable site. Is it like alternatefacts.com?
dmsilev
@Major Major Major Major: He’s spending time here, so obviously his standards can’t be too high.
Major Major Major Major
@Baud: ‘alternate history’ is basically wargaming/fermi probleming/fanfic about ‘what it x event had gone y way’.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: Just finished her book, even she blames Hillary.
Steve in the ATL
@Major Major Major Major: Ted Cruz has some ideas
chopper
♩ ♪ Working for the trump clown ♩ ♪
Adam L Silverman
@Major Major Major Major: The President did say he’d bring back the mining jobs.
SiubhanDuinne
@TenguPhule:
¿Porque no los dos?
NotMax
@Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe)
No offense or judgment intended (and also no knowledge of the precise wording in the flagged post), but you do have an intermittent tendency to lean into the hyperbolic.
Dolly Llama
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: Goku, if you find yourself in these situations a lot, maybe it’s not everyone else. Maybe it’s you.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@Baud: ?. No, it’s counterfactual history. Like asking what if the British won the American Revolutionary War. It’s a forum where people can discuss alternate outcomes of historical events. Many even extrapolate timelines out of single changes to history. Trust me it’s not what you’re thinking.
Dolly Llama
@NotMax: Diplomacy for the win.
TenguPhule
Speaking of Assholes. Here’s Michael Gerson.
Whatever her other failures, DiFi got this one right.
The day Mr. Mushroom Cloud shuffles off will be a day to be celebrated.
Adam L Silverman
@dmsilev: Go read the comments sections at the world’s largest firearms blog. The owner/publisher is Jewish American. His parents are Holocaust survivors. A number of his regular writers and editors are Jewish Americans as well. The comments section, especially on the clickbaity articles, quickly devolve into a sewer.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud:
Alternatehistory comes after alternetefacts happen.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Steve in the ATL:
and none are good.
SiubhanDuinne
@chopper:
Goin’ down, down
♩ ♪ Working for the trump clown ♩ ♪
Whew! About to slip down
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@Dolly Llama: I only joined last week. I’d link to the thread in question but only registered members can see the Chat forum. I was shocked because I had read the Forum Rules before even posting and didn’t think I had done anything wrong. I still don’t. And no this doesn’t happen to me a lot.
Adam L Silverman
@Major Major Major Major: It’s almost like they have an inside man…
Baud
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: Ok thanks. Still confused about how Hillary came up on a history site. But nonetheless, they done you wrong and thus are my enemy.
TenguPhule
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:
Typically throwing politics into any non-political forum is a recipe for trouble. And banning.
Major Major Major Major
@Dolly Llama: he likes arguing with wingnuts. I’d guess alternatehistory.com is infested with gamergate types.
Adam L Silverman
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: Why do you hate women? Specifically highly credentialed grandmothers? Who are Methodist? Huh? Huh?//
Baud
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Yeah, but when she does it, she’s lying.
chopper
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
it’s his small staff’s fault. also, the handful of people who work for him.
TenguPhule
@Baud:
Baud 2020: Enraging grammar pedants everywhere!
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud:
Cause she’s history; a has-been, never to run again…
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@Baud: @TenguPhule:
The Chat forum is specifically for topics like politics. That’s what mostly comes up there in that subforum anyway.
Dolly Llama
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: Their place, their rules, I reckon. In the timeless words of Flava Flav, “I can’t do nuttin’ for you man.” Good luck.
Starfish
@Baud: I think I like your new campaign slogan. “they done you wrong and thus are my enemy.” But I guess you lost the grammar pedants. Win some. Lose some.
Adam L Silverman
@?BillinGlendaleCA: And at least one involves low budget, stepmom porn.
Corner Stone
Here we go, Color Rush Texans, Here We Go!
TenguPhule
House backs $1.2T spending bill with more money for military
Somehow I don’t see this passing any time soon through the Senate.
Corner Stone
Wow, being late, throwing behind your WR and then missing him high on 3rd and 6!
Adam L Silverman
@Starfish: Careful, we’ll wind up with that LGF commenter who went off the rails when he adopted a new nym, avatar, and persona and he’ll show up and start posting links to Star Trek Voyager clips in the comments thread.
TenguPhule
@Adam L Silverman:
Which sadly, would be one of Cruz’s better ideas.
NotMax
@Starfish
But picked up the coveted Mae West contingent.
;)
Ruckus
@Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD):
Do we have to choose?
Major Major Major Major
@Adam L Silverman: I am fine with this.
Adam L Silverman
@TenguPhule: It’s a very low bar.
Adam L Silverman
@Major Major Major Major: I have no problem with Voyager. The kid went a wee bit nutso though.
delk
In these days of evil presidentes.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Adam L Silverman: I assume the stepmom didn’t go to one of the ‘lesser ivies’.
TenguPhule
@Adam L Silverman:
Other then that it was terrible and relied on fanservice to carry water from the second season on?
Davebo
I have a hard time getting to peeved at FB over this. It’s not like they had a team compiling Nazi’s to allow advertisers to target them and they did resolve it.
Hopefully they’ll have humans approve these things going forward but I can also see that not going well!
Major Major Major Major
@TenguPhule: better than enterprise.
Adam L Silverman
@?BillinGlendaleCA: I do not know.
NotMax
@Adam L. Silverman
How Voyager made it through any crisis while having an obviously ‘graduated at the bottom of his class at Star Fleet security school’ officer assigned aboard remains a puzzlement.
Corner Stone
Chris Hayes should just turn his show over to 30 minutes of Bernie and then 30 minutes of Michael Moore.
Mike J
I thought from the Clampdown lyric this was going to be about the Jewish woman who was assaulted because an asshole thought she was Muslim.
mai naem mobile
Is there some reason FEMA couldn’t get a boatload of fucking tarps to St Thomas on Monday. Is there some reason why there weren’t some there already? Not trying to do a hindsight 20/20 but tarps sounds like a requirement for hurricane survivors. Really any natural disasters where housing is destroyed .
Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD)
@NotMax: You’re thinking of TenguPhule. Goku’s issue is a penchant for trollbaiting (and per the info disclosed here, it seems the mod is the one at fault here).
Baud
@Corner Stone: Then there would be no time for Republican guests to pants him.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Corner Stone: don’t forget Mo Brooks, Dan Donovan* and a couple other goober congressmen he has a strange affinity for
unless the ones I named are the tribute he pays Andy Lack so he can have the ones you did
* added cause it took me a minute to remember the name of the Staten Island goober
TenguPhule
@Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD):
No, Goku has his moments of being much more hyperbolic then me.
Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD)
@TenguPhule: Neelix
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@Dolly Llama:
@Baud:
Thanks for the support, both of you.
@Adam L Silverman: Ha! They thought I was making accusations of sexism at people, when I really wasn’t. Apparently, over there, you have to multiple citations for evidence of a claim, even if it’s common knowledge, like some Berners and other anti-Hillary assholes being misogynist.
TenguPhule
@Major Major Major Major:
I can’t argue with you there.
Baud
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
She graduated cum laude.
TenguPhule
@mai naem mobile:
Probably a transportation issue.
TenguPhule
@Baud:
Baud, that was terrible.
Major Major Major Major
@Baud: there’s an SNL skit that’s a fake Swarovski commercial acted by adult stars. One of them misreads it as “magnum cum loudly”!
@TenguPhule: plus, Kate Mulgrew.
Steve in the ATL
@TenguPhule
I was avoiding posting this on the previous thread, but if the door to grammar pedantry has been opened:
Racism=I think black people are inferior to white people
Prejudice=I don’t like black people
Related and often seen in tandem, but still two different things.
And now back to your regularly scheduled posting.
NotMax
@TenguPhule
Which was the bigger letdown, Enterprise or Crusade? Discuss.
(Not really.) :)
Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD)
@TenguPhule: “Dear Doctor” < "A Night in Sickbay" < "Threshold"
…on the shared understanding that all three episodes barely qualify as "defensible television programming."
Steve in the ATL
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:
An odd requirement for an alternative history site.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@NotMax:
You want an example of a comment worthy of kick from that place? Take a look (not my comment):
Admin’s response in response to Poster 2:
Baud
@TenguPhule: Thus you are my enemy.
Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD)
@Major Major Major Major: even she thought Janeway had issues
Major Major Major Major
@Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD): I love her in Orange is the New Black.
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: just… stop arguing politics with idiots
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@Steve in the ATL:
In a chat forum, that is supposed to be a little more laid back? I’ve seen a little evidence that the rule isn’t always applied evenly. You can talk bad Nazis (alt-reichers). I was apparently never reported for that one.
Corner Stone
Go CLOWNDOG!!
Baud
@Major Major Major Major: Except here of course.
efgoldman
On Tuesday and Thursday afternoons go to physical therapy. Results have been excellent, but te therapist beats the crap out of me.
I’ve also started driving myself for the first time since I was in the hospital, end of July.
Today when I drove home, it felt a bit weird. Also was more difficult than it should have been to get in and out of the barber chair and to go up the three steps into the house.
When I got home, I realized that he never took the 2-1/2 lb ankle weights back.
Major Major Major Major
@Baud: most of us are less stupid than the morons he finds.
Steve in the ATL
@efgoldman: post a pic of your cantaloupe-like calves!
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD):
Which was a real shame too, being the first female captain who was the star. I’m just finishing up the first season of DS9, right now. I like what I’ve seen so far. A big change from TNG where it seemed like everyone in Starfleet was human when they have like a hundred member worlds in the Federation. The Kira character I think was a reboot of Denise Crosby’ s character from Season 1 of TNG. She’s written better and can act to boot.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@TenguPhule:
Not recently.
@Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD):
I do not “troll bait”.
Steve in the ATL
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: seems like a forum created for the express purpose of discussing things that are not factual would not demand evidence in support of statements posted there
Or maybe I’m just old and crotchety.
TenguPhule
@NotMax:
Enterprise.
They at least cancelled Crusade early.
efgoldman
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: OK, so they croaked you. Nothng anybody here can or will do about it. Move on.
TenguPhule
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:
it gets a lot better once things start taking a turn for the worse.
Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD)
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: You did actively attempt to summon the Buckley’s Magazine initialism that one time.
TenguPhule
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:
It was just last month. Some of the regulars were lecturing you about it, remember?
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@Major Major Major Major:
That’s the sad thing. The forum has a left-leaning culture there. I thought everyone would get a good laugh out of it, maybe have a discussion, which we did. Not get kicked for a week.
Major Major Major Major
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: You should compartmentalize.
Steve in the ATL
@Major Major Major Major: or drink heavily
Major Major Major Major
@Steve in the ATL: they tend to be mutually exclusive yes
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@TenguPhule:
Like I said not [email protected]efgoldman:
Just wanted to vent a little bit. I won’t bring it up again outside of this thread, unless new developments [email protected]Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD):
That douchebag shows up of their own free will every once in a while. I’m not that skilled in dark magic :)
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@Major Major Major Major:
Are you saying I’m crazy? ?
Eh, I’ll probably just stick to the on-topic forums (actual alt-history subforums) more and just be more careful in what I say once my kick is up.
(((CassandraLeo)))
I’ve mostly only ever lurked on AH.com, and not at all in a long time, but my experience is that on many message boards, the staff cause many of the problems the communities face, and the larger the site, the more this seems to hold true. This certainly looks like an example of that. It’s utterly beyond me how any of the excerpts posted here qualify as “smearing a huge portion of [the site’s] members”. Saying “A lot of Bernie Bros are sexist” doesn’t constitute an attack on anyone at the site who supported Bernie, because it doesn’t cite anyone at the site as a Bernie Bro (nor does it even place them among the sexist Bernie Bros).
The communities I post at these days generally maintain a hands-off approach to community management. I used to moderate some communities that had much more intricate approaches to moderation, and I don’t miss it. 90% of the time people were just developing post hoc rationalisations for what they wanted done and twisting the rules to do so. That definitely looks like the case here.
Adam L Silverman
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: DS9 is not episodic, which is what TNG was. Voyager was episodic within larger arcs. DS9 is almost all story arcs within the overall series story arc.
Major Major Major Major
@(((CassandraLeo))): yeah, turns out giving randos on the Internet authority doesn’t work out much better than doing it in meatspace.
(((CassandraLeo)))
@Major Major Major Major: indeed. This has been a key factor in convincing me that the whole idea of hierarchy is suspect, as was the realisation that I was just as much a dick as any other rando when given power. Obviously there are necessary hierarchies (parent/child, teacher/student, etc.) but overall the whole idea of authority is probably best viewed with intrinsic suspicion.
Adam L Silverman
@efgoldman:
Major Major Major Major
@Adam L Silverman: goku isn’t that young.
@(((CassandraLeo))): whaddayou an anarchist now?
SgrAstar
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: Goku, wear your badge of honor proudly, and bail. That site is not worth your time.
(((CassandraLeo)))
@Major Major Major Major: I don’t object to being classified as one, though I suspect most anarchists would object to classifying me as one because I’m also enough of a pragmatist that I don’t ever expect government to go away. My view on it is roughly what Le Guin’s is in The Dispossessed: we’ll probably always have something that qualifies as a de facto government, even if it doesn’t actually call itself one.
In any case, I’d like to see a society in which government weren’t necessary, but I doubt I’ll live to see it. Anarchism is s major influence on my thought, but for practical purposes, I’m probably best categorised as a libertarian socialist.
NotMax
@Adam L. Silverman
Ariel! Ookla! Ride!!
different-church-lady
@Major Major Major Major:
There is no “better” part of the internet anymore.
(((CassandraLeo)))
Huh. Comment in moderation. I think it was because I used the correct spelling of an economic stance that advocates worker control of the means of production. Halp plz.
Major Major Major Major
@different-church-lady: I happen to make some of the better parts of the Internet, thank you very much!
Adam L Silverman
@NotMax: Ookla was my cousin Phil’s first major role. You have no idea how hard it was for a Sausquatch to get work in Hollywood in the 1980s.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@Steve in the ATL: They care a lot about plausibility based on facts, [email protected]SgrAstar:
I’ll still hang out there. The admin, the guy who owns the site unfortunately, overreacted for sure.
Adam L Silverman
@(((CassandraLeo))): you’re free
SFBayAreaGal
@Adam L Silverman: DS9 is my favorite Star Trek series.
(((CassandraLeo)))
@Adam L Silverman: Thanks.
Major Major Major Major
@(((CassandraLeo))): I am rather familiar with the ideology, it’s quite popular in these parts.
Adam L Silverman
@SFBayAreaGal: It is mine as well. I do like Voyager, but I also understand why people don’t. And I’m one of the few who by and large am okay with Enterprise. Especially season 3 once they got away from episodic and moved to arcs. Though the finale was meh.
different-church-lady
@(((CassandraLeo))): Condomism?
(((CassandraLeo)))
@different-church-lady: Sure, let’s go with that
Boat Person
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:
Dude. Get out of there.
Ian outed himself as an anti-semite about a month ago. It’s not worth spending time on ah.com.
efgoldman
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:
Somebody else, ArchTeryx maybe, spent comment after comment complaining about treatment he received at LG&M. Just like you, s/he was talking to an audience that could not and would not do anything about it. Enough already
Chris T.
@efgoldman: You know that PT doesn’t stand for Physical Therapy, right? It actually stands for Pain & Torture.
Tenar Arha
@Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD): As I told a few people earlier, “Every time I think I should give in & sign up, I end up noticing the nasty downsides of letting them monetize me & I go ‘NOPE.'”
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@Boat Person:
I thought I heard something about that. What sucks is that AH.com is pretty much the only major alt-history site on the internet.
@efgoldman:
I’ve had good experiences the otherwise if this happens many times again I’ll consider walking away.
Boat Person
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:
Some of the TLs are in the process of moving over to Sufficient Velocity — Lands of Red and Gold did, a few others are in the process.
Amir Khalid
@TenguPhule:
That’s it. Baud has lost my vote.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@Boat Person:
Maybe I’ll register there too. Thanks for telling me