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You are here: Home / Open Threads / Area Snowflake Politicizes Sportsball

Area Snowflake Politicizes Sportsball

by Betty Cracker|  September 23, 20173:34 pm| 308 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Politics, Sports, Assholes

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What an embarrassment:

Curry had already said he wasn’t going to the championship celebration at the White House, so Trump’s rescinding the invitation was especially stupid and petty. That didn’t escape the notice of LeBron James:

Gonna have to bust out the aloe for that burn. But the shitgibbon keeps right on digging:

Even NFL commissioner Roger Goodell and the NFL ownership group, possibly the most loathesome assemblage of douchebags outside death row or a Trump administration cabinet meeting, politely told Trump to go fuck himself.

The irony is that Trump campaigned on contempt for “political correctness,” but he’s willing to wipe his fat ass on the U.S. Constitution to establish a safe space for himself and the “fuck your feelings” crowd.

Fuck him and every single shithead who voted for him.

Open thread.

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  1. 1.

    Hal

    September 23, 2017 at 3:36 pm

    Adam Serwer ? @AdamSerwer
    ·
    49m
    Replying to @AdamSerwer
    That’s because black athletes are seen as recipients of white benevolence, whereas rich white men by virtue of whiteness deserve their money

    Adam Serwer ? @AdamSerwer

    It’s telling that resentment towards wealth in sports is always directed at black athletes and not the vastly wealthier franchise owners.

  2. 2.

    raven

    September 23, 2017 at 3:37 pm

    This draft dodging motherfucker can kiss ma ass.

  3. 3.

    Baud

    September 23, 2017 at 3:37 pm

    Going to the White House was considered a great honor for a championship team.

    Then somebody decided to emphasize the White in White House.

  4. 4.

    Trentrunner

    September 23, 2017 at 3:38 pm

    Trump is the massy apotheosis of White Male Privilege. Both in his espoused views and in his very existence and prominence.

    Imagine Obama or Hillary doing ANYTHING like this.

    Yeah, you see what I mean.

    Also, millions of Americans are devastated and at-risk RIGHT NOW in Puerto Rico, so kudos to Trump for staying on top of it. (76% chance Trump thinks Puerto Ricans should have to apply for citizenship.)

  5. 5.

    the Conster

    September 23, 2017 at 3:38 pm

    Yeah, what an utter disgrace. I just went on FB to once again let everyone I know who voted for him that they’re racist scumbags and SUCK SUCK SUCK, and will have nothing to do with them, ever.

  6. 6.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 23, 2017 at 3:39 pm

    I’m going to my SIL’s birthday tomorrow. Her husband’s family are ‘extremely embarrassed’ Trump supporters, A-OK with racism if it gets them tax cuts, rich medium-old money. The party is at a country club in Los Altos Hills and I’m not allowed to wear jeans, which by my standards as a youngish San Francisco programmer makes it white tie. Fuck these people.

    She’s cool though. Can’t choose your husband’s sister’s husband’s family.

  7. 7.

    Corner Stone

    September 23, 2017 at 3:40 pm

    U bum.

    That’s a keeper for the ages, right there!

  8. 8.

    Corner Stone

    September 23, 2017 at 3:41 pm

    What a great gif for the times we are living in.

  9. 9.

    Eric K

    September 23, 2017 at 3:42 pm

    Worth noting, Trump has now spent infinitely more time ranting at NFL and NBA players than he has talked about 3.5 million Americans whose home was destroyed by a Hurricane.

  10. 10.

    Corner Stone

    September 23, 2017 at 3:44 pm

    @Eric K: He’s talking about black people shutting up and knowing their place. If the brown people on PR start piping up I am sure he will tell them to shut up and go away also.

  11. 11.

    Roger Moore

    September 23, 2017 at 3:44 pm

    @Hal:

    Adam Serwer ? @AdamSerwer

    It’s telling that resentment towards wealth in sports is always directed at black athletes and not the vastly wealthier franchise owners.

    FTFY. People have always complained about athletes of every color getting paid well, at least as far back as people whining about Babe Ruth getting paid more than the President*. I’m sure a major contributing factor has been the willingness of sports reporters to carry water for the owners.

    *Though Ruth’s retort that he had a better year than Hoover was at least as sharp as LeBron James’s.

  12. 12.

    debbie

    September 23, 2017 at 3:46 pm

    Is anything in support of Kaepernick going on at college-level football?

  13. 13.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 23, 2017 at 3:46 pm

    Braintrust: You ever sleep a bunch and have the black bags under your eyes get darker?

  14. 14.

    Betty Cracker

    September 23, 2017 at 3:47 pm

    @Eric K: True. He’s also spent a lot more time condemning black athletes engaging in peaceful protest than Nazis and white supremacists who have killed people. Also, didn’t Tom Brady skip the championship visit?

  15. 15.

    the Conster

    September 23, 2017 at 3:48 pm

    @debbie:

    At the high school level.

  16. 16.

    HeleninEire

    September 23, 2017 at 3:49 pm

    LOL. I love that anyone with brains hates him. This whole thing is gonna end so badly. Let’s all hope that it ends badly only for the bad actors. I have no trust in that. But let’s hope.

    The beauty of Ireland, and why I moved here is that we are a little country on a little island just minding our own business. I got tired of being an American and being responsible for everything. Both good and bad.

    Come visit!

  17. 17.

    debbie

    September 23, 2017 at 3:50 pm

    @the Conster:

    Your link isn’t working for me, but I’m glad it’s gotten local.

  18. 18.

    Tilda Swintons Bald Cap

    September 23, 2017 at 3:51 pm

    So many knees are going to be taken. It will be the new way to protest Trump, just watch.

  19. 19.

    Barbara

    September 23, 2017 at 3:52 pm

    What does it mean for Steph Curry to have the “privilege” of playing for the GSW? As if he (and most professional athletes) weren’t one of the most supremely talented and hard working people to don a uniform, and the owners could have hired anyone to do what he does. I know Trump has zero redeeming qualities, but it still amazes me how many ways he has managed to prove the point.

  20. 20.

    SFBayAreaGal

    September 23, 2017 at 3:53 pm

    @Roger Moore: Wow Roger way to go by lessening what people of color go through. The quote did not need to be fixed.

  21. 21.

    Trentrunner

    September 23, 2017 at 3:53 pm

    Here’s Obama one year ago on Kaepernick:

    “I think that it’s … important for us to recognize that sometimes out of these controversies, we start getting into a conversation, and I want everybody to listen to each other,” Obama said.

    “So I want Mr. Kaepernick and others who are on a knee, I want them to listen to the pain that that may cause somebody who, for example, had a spouse or a child who was killed in combat, and why it hurts them to see somebody not standing. But I also want people to think about the pain that he may be expressing about somebody who’s lost a loved one that they think was unfairly shot.”

    Obama also defended Kaepernick’s right to free speech.

    “Part of what makes this country special is that we respect people’s rights to have a different opinion and to make different decisions about how they want to express their concerns,” Obama said. “And the test of our fidelity to our Constitution, the freedom of speech, to our Bill of Rights, is not when it’s easy, but when it’s hard.”

    FUCK Jill Stein and Susan Sarandon and everyone in favor of “heightening the contradictions.”

  22. 22.

    Eric K

    September 23, 2017 at 3:54 pm

    @Betty Cracker: Keith Olberman noted that whenever a few players didn’t meet with him Obama never made a big deal about it and graciously met whoever did come.

  23. 23.

    No Drought No More

    September 23, 2017 at 3:56 pm

    I’ll assume the invitation to the White House that I haven’t received has been rescinded, too.

  24. 24.

    JDM

    September 23, 2017 at 3:57 pm

    @Hal:

    It’s telling that resentment towards wealth in sports is always directed at black athletes and not the vastly wealthier franchise owners

    Also interesting is how often, in descriptions of athletic ability, natural talent is more often invoked in the case of black atheletes while white atheletes more often have hard work invoked.

  25. 25.

    eclare

    September 23, 2017 at 3:58 pm

    President Bonespur….

  26. 26.

    Teddys Person

    September 23, 2017 at 3:58 pm

    @Barbara:

    I know Trump has zero redeeming qualities, but it still amazes me how many ways he has managed to prove the point.

    True dat.

  27. 27.

    Steve in the ATL

    September 23, 2017 at 3:58 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    You ever sleep a bunch

    Sadly, no.

  28. 28.

    khead

    September 23, 2017 at 4:00 pm

    Yeah, as noted by Betty, Deadspin has been all over this shit.

    The “former Gawker media” needs some respeck right about now.

  29. 29.

    the Conster

    September 23, 2017 at 4:00 pm

    @debbie:

    Seattle high schooi football team all take a knee.

  30. 30.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 23, 2017 at 4:00 pm

    @Trentrunner: But boy have they been heightened! The glorious revolution is just around the corner, right after Republicans take away (at least) 10% of the country’s healthcare because they promised.

  31. 31.

    debbie

    September 23, 2017 at 4:00 pm

    @Trentrunner:

    No greater contrast than that quote.

  32. 32.

    fuckwit

    September 23, 2017 at 4:01 pm

    Patriotic correctness uber allies. Like Nazi Germany, soviet union, or north korea

  33. 33.

    oldgold

    September 23, 2017 at 4:02 pm

    Trump is elevating the symbols of freedom over the freedoms they represent.

  34. 34.

    SFAW

    September 23, 2017 at 4:02 pm

    @No Drought No More:

    Lying Littledick will make sure one goes out to you, just so he can rescind it

  35. 35.

    germy

    September 23, 2017 at 4:03 pm

    Trumpsters seek out Rocket Man, only to be confused or enraged by a pro-refugee video

    Trump supporters are flocking to the official video for Elton John’s “Rocket Man” song, to applaud Trump’s use of the nickname for Kim Jong-un in tweets and on the floor of the United Nations General Assembly.

    However, the video itself is either confusing them, enraging them, or being completely misunderstood by them.

    Turns out the video, the winner of a competition judged by songwriters Elton John and Bernie Taupin, is by Stephen McNally and Iranian filmmaker Majid Adin, who traveled through Europe during the 2015 refugee crisis. It’s a stunning and heartbreaking animation that reimagines the song as a metaphor for the plight of immigrants and refugees, a group for which Trump and his supporters have shown only antipathy.

  36. 36.

    Felony Govt (formerly Old Broad in California)

    September 23, 2017 at 4:04 pm

    Not very smart of Shitgibbon to antagonize a number of articulate, popular athletes and their fans.

  37. 37.

    Ruckus

    September 23, 2017 at 4:04 pm

    Fuck him and every single shithead who voted for him.

    Needs to be repeated often and loudly.
    Everyday till he’s gone.
    He is a cancer upon the public. And you know what I say about that.
    FUCK Fucking Cancer.

  38. 38.

    SFAW

    September 23, 2017 at 4:04 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    He’s also spent a lot more time condemning black athletes engaging in peaceful protest than Nazis and white supremacists who have killed people.

    Many sides, Betty. Many sides.

  39. 39.

    Schlemazel

    September 23, 2017 at 4:04 pm

    Years ago I was stuck on a plane, across the aisle from this large asshole who was bloviating how HE was not going to the White House with the rest of the GB Packers because Bill Clinton was a rapist!!

    The assholes name Mark Chmura. If that name is not familiar it because his career was shortened when he sexually assaulted the teen-aged friend of his daughter.

  40. 40.

    Teddys Person

    September 23, 2017 at 4:05 pm

    @the Conster: Thanks for that link. I have mad respect for all those kids. They organized their community to make their voices heard. Kinda like a former president. Hey Dolt45, that’s what leadership looks like.

  41. 41.

    smintheus

    September 23, 2017 at 4:06 pm

    @Eric K: Tim Thomas refused to meet with Obama, and he made some extremely petty comments about the tyrant in the WH. Not many fans had known that Thomas was a Teatard, and the schism he created in the Bruins’ locker room caused his career to melt down. It was delicious to watch unfolding.

  42. 42.

    Ruckus

    September 23, 2017 at 4:06 pm

    @raven:
    He can’t kiss my ass. I don’t want him near any part of my anatomy.
    Republican, racist grifter, asshole cooties doncha know.

  43. 43.

    debbie

    September 23, 2017 at 4:08 pm

    @the Conster:

    Nice!

  44. 44.

    Barbara

    September 23, 2017 at 4:08 pm

    @Schlemazel: It’s all projection all the time for many people, especially when it comes to sexual activity.

  45. 45.

    debbie

    September 23, 2017 at 4:10 pm

    Isn’t today the Rapture? How could NPR not be covering it!

  46. 46.

    raven

    September 23, 2017 at 4:11 pm

    @debbie: They don’t have the teams on the field for the anthem at Georgia.

  47. 47.

    Baud

    September 23, 2017 at 4:11 pm

    @debbie: Maybe today is the rapture. Bodes well for the midterms.

  48. 48.

    Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady)

    September 23, 2017 at 4:12 pm

    @HeleninEire: Shortly before Trump started palling around with Chuck and Nancy, I read that he realized people hate him. I wonder how that finally penetrated his bubble. I’m guessing he’s dumped it down the memory hole by now.

  49. 49.

    Teddys Person

    September 23, 2017 at 4:12 pm

    @Felony Govt (formerly Old Broad in California): I have a friend who doesn’t like Trump but also thought Hilz was just as bad (just look at all the times the Clintons have been investigated). She’s also one of those white people who think racism isn’t that bad in this county. I tried to open her eyes about the media’s relentless, multi-decade crusade against the Clintons and educate her about the persistent systemic racism in the country but don’t think she got it. I suspect she either voted Clinton or didn’t vote.

    However, she is a huge 49ers fan, and I think the Kaepernick Kerfluffle made some of the scales finally fall from her eyes.

    (edited for typo)

  50. 50.

    JanieM

    September 23, 2017 at 4:12 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    Also, didn’t Tom Brady skip the championship visit?

    Too lazy to google, but IIRC he went to two with Bush, skipped Obama, and skipped Trump.

  51. 51.

    Ruckus

    September 23, 2017 at 4:12 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:
    I’ve been invited by a friend to a country club dinner for Thanksgiving. Told her I only have Levi’s to wear. Levi’s and sneakers. And a long sleeve shirt with a collar and everything! Don’t own any long pants that aren’t Levi jeans. If I’m not welcome dressed like that, fuck them. Snooty motherfuckers. They think fancy clothes make them better people? drumpf wears a suit. Of course it looks like he had a wino pick it out at the 99 Cent, All Day, Every Day store.

  52. 52.

    Ben Cisco

    September 23, 2017 at 4:14 pm

    Even NFL commissioner Roger Goodell and the NFL ownership group, possibly the most loathesome assemblage of douchebags outside death row or a Trump administration cabinet meeting, politely told Trump to go fuck himself.

    Quite possibly the greatest sentence Cole’s ever written.

    And yes, Herr Littlefingers has been getting dragged around the entire internet, as well he should.

    I LOVE that he’s making it plain that he and anyone who supported him and still does are absolute garbage human beings. I don’t care how many fawning articles the FTFNYT pumps out, how many times Tweety gets all huffy about those fucking lunchpails, how many times Chuckles Toddler pretends not to get it, guess what, douchebags? No hiding place.

  53. 53.

    Baud

    September 23, 2017 at 4:15 pm

    @Teddys Person:

    Kaepernick was a Hillary for prison person himself, so I don’t have much sympathy for him. But in any contest between him and Trump, I’m on his side.

  54. 54.

    Baud

    September 23, 2017 at 4:16 pm

    @Ben Cisco:

    Quite possibly the greatest sentence Cole’s ever written

    And he didn’t even write it!

  55. 55.

    Schlemazel

    September 23, 2017 at 4:16 pm

    The first I remember this ‘champions to the White House’ bullshit was when Richard Milestone Dickxon was Prez & his popularity was tanking. He called up the winning SB team on live TV to congratulate them. It was a stupid waste of time then & it only got worse as the years have passed. It really needs to end

  56. 56.

    Barbara

    September 23, 2017 at 4:16 pm

    @JanieM: Brady went to at least one hosted by Bush and has skipped everything since. I am sure it’s hard to be in the public eye all the time, but Brady seems to have difficulty explaining himself on things like this.

  57. 57.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 23, 2017 at 4:17 pm

    @Ruckus: I always wear long sleeves around them because they think my tattoo is gauche. If I were a slightly different person, and they were actually close to me, my reaction to such a thing would be to say fuck you! and get more tattoos, but I’m not and they aren’t and it’s easier without all the side-eye.

  58. 58.

    Ruckus

    September 23, 2017 at 4:17 pm

    @HeleninEire:
    I have Scotch/Irish ancestors. Would that do anything for me being able to retire in Ireland?
    Of course I also have Sicilian blood so that may cancel out the above. Maybe the Sicilian’s would take me.
    But there’s also been more than one generation of American blood so that may negate the entire idea.

  59. 59.

    eclare

    September 23, 2017 at 4:17 pm

    @Baud: I remember that too, he’s really happy the current POS calls him a son of a bitch? He still thinks there was no difference?

  60. 60.

    Baud

    September 23, 2017 at 4:18 pm

    Tweet gif via Reddit.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/RW726/status/911621824710094849

  61. 61.

    MattF

    September 23, 2017 at 4:19 pm

    Curry has immense talent, spent years learning a complex and difficult craft. He’s at the top of his game, literally and figuratively. Comparisons present themselves.

  62. 62.

    Teddys Person

    September 23, 2017 at 4:19 pm

    @Baud: I didn’t know that (was he a Bernie dude?). Until his kneeling for the anthem, I had no idea who he was since I don’t follow pro football. I agree though and will take any ally against Dolt45 that I can get.

  63. 63.

    Baud

    September 23, 2017 at 4:19 pm

    @eclare: I don’t know if he’s learned anything in the interim. Many still have not.

  64. 64.

    JanieM

    September 23, 2017 at 4:20 pm

    @Ruckus:

    I only have Levi’s to wear. Levi’s and sneakers. And a long sleeve shirt with a collar and everything! Don’t own any long pants that aren’t Levi jeans. If I’m not welcome dressed like that, fuck them.

    Did you steal my wardrobe?

    Oh wait, mine are Lees.

  65. 65.

    Baud

    September 23, 2017 at 4:20 pm

    @Teddys Person: I assume so. I don’t recall specifically.

  66. 66.

    NorthLeft12

    September 23, 2017 at 4:20 pm

    @Hal: Yes, I think the light bulb just came on for me regarding why so many fans are full of resentment towards sportsball players and the money they make. Yeah, most [more than their share of the population] of the hardcore fans are white males….and a higher share of the players in these sports are AA/Latino.
    BTW, is there a similar amount of rage over the money NASCAR drivers make? Just asking.

    “IT’S ONLY A GAME!!11!” they scream whenever a new contract is signed. Yeah, a game that these “fans” seem to live and die by, and design a lot of their life around. But it’s only a game.

  67. 67.

    raven

    September 23, 2017 at 4:21 pm

    @Baud: Exactly, he’s dumb fuck but that doesn’t mean he can’t run his mouth. . .or whatever.

  68. 68.

    JMG

    September 23, 2017 at 4:21 pm

    Due to the shortness of NFL careers, the players have never been unified enough to pull off a strike, so their union is the weakest in pro sports. They gave millons to Trump and indeed are awful folks, but the last thing NFL owners want is somebody butting in and inspiring their players to acts of solidarity.

  69. 69.

    Barbara

    September 23, 2017 at 4:21 pm

    @Schlemazel: At least by 1968 Olympic medalists visited the White House. IIRC, in the early 60s nearly the entire Winter Olympic team was killed in a plane crash such that there was only one US medalist in 1968, Peggy Fleming, and I recall seeing pictures of her visiting Lyndon Johnson. It’s a cheap trick to invite athletes to the WH, I agree.

  70. 70.

    raven

    September 23, 2017 at 4:23 pm

    @JMG:

    never been unified enough to pull off a strike,

    What are you, 12 years old?

  71. 71.

    Barbara

    September 23, 2017 at 4:24 pm

    @JMG:

    the last thing NFL owners want is somebody butting in and inspiring their players to acts of solidarity.

    They especially do not want this now that they have discovered that football ratings can go down and many people are already predisposed to move beyond football because of CTE.

  72. 72.

    Baud

    September 23, 2017 at 4:24 pm

    @JMG: The union gave to Trump or the owners, or both?

  73. 73.

    raven

    September 23, 2017 at 4:24 pm

    The NFL lockout may refer to any of the lockouts or strikes in the history of the National Football League:

    The 1968 NFL strike/lockout, which lasted 12 days before the start of the 1968 season.
    The 1970 NFL strike/lockout, which lasted a few days in July 1970.
    The 1974 NFL strike, which lasted for two months before the start of the 1974 season.
    The 1982 NFL strike, which lasted for three months and eight weeks, forced the 1982 season to be shortened to 9 games per team.
    The 1987 NFL strike, which lasted for 24 days and forced the 1987 season to be shortened to 15 games per team.
    The 2001 NFL referee lockout, which lasted until September 19 and an agreement was reached to end the 2 week lockout.
    The 2011 NFL lockout, which lasted for over five months, resulted in cancellation of Pro Football Hall of Fame Game between the Chicago Bears and St. Louis Rams, but preserved the 2011 regular season.

  74. 74.

    JanieM

    September 23, 2017 at 4:25 pm

    @Ruckus:

    Check out the Italian side here. I have two grandparents who were born in Italy, but it doesn’t work out for me because of the date intricacies. I’d rather have Irish citizenship anyhow, but there’s no ancestral pathway to that for me.

  75. 75.

    NotMax

    September 23, 2017 at 4:25 pm

    Just finished watching an indie-produced low budget (but not low quality) gentle time travel film, 41, which had downloaded from YouTube a while back. Nice stuff.

    Should you find yourself with the odd 90 minutes to fill, there are certainly less enjoyable ways to do so.

  76. 76.

    albertZ

    September 23, 2017 at 4:27 pm

    Tweet from Buffalo Bill Lesean McCoy –
    https://twitter.com/CutonDime25/status/911601178219249664
    Running backs no a hole when they see it.

  77. 77.

    Ruckus

    September 23, 2017 at 4:27 pm

    @Trentrunner:
    @oldgold:
    One of the reasons that I enlisted in 1969 rather than go to Canada was that I’m fully in agreement with President Obama’s quote. It may not have been the biggest reason, but it was in the mix. I didn’t support the war in any way, but I do think this country has the right idea. It’s been beaten up a number of times, run over by bigots a lot, but the concept is still sound. We need to remind not only ourselves but those that have no idea what we are supposed to stand for of those ideals and keep working to make them stronger and more real for everyone.

  78. 78.

    MattF

    September 23, 2017 at 4:28 pm

    @Ruckus: And socks! Good socks!

  79. 79.

    NorthLeft12

    September 23, 2017 at 4:29 pm

    @Barbara:

    As if Steph Curry (and most professional athletes) weren’t one of the most supremely talented and hard working people to don a uniform, and the owners could have hired anyone to do what he does.

    Barbara, if you ever happen to wander onto a hardcore NFL related thread, you would be surprised how many of these fans still hold on to the fantasy that they could somehow do what the real players do, and they would do it for one-quarter of the money!
    I can’t speak for the other sports, but I was amazed at how many of these guys believe that they could play at this level for more than five minutes before being carried off the field crying for their Mothers. Delusional.

  80. 80.

    Baud

    September 23, 2017 at 4:31 pm

    @NorthLeft12:

    you would be surprised how many of these fans still hold on to the fantasy that they could somehow do what the real players do, and they would do it for one-quarter of the money!

    Kind of like people on political blogs talking about Democrats.

  81. 81.

    Baud

    September 23, 2017 at 4:32 pm

    Trump was a actually enjoying a slight bump in the polls because his response to the hurricane wasn’t fully 100% bullshit. But then Trumpcare III happened and now this…

  82. 82.

    Spaniel

    September 23, 2017 at 4:35 pm

    Hypocrisy on Trump’s part. Critizing someone for disrespecting the flag and the nation by not standing of the national anthem, but here is a guy 50-years ago blantantly chose five medical deferements before defending this nation in a time of war (almost the ultimate disrespect into the flag and this great nation). He never went to Vietnam.

    Trump needs to pull the log out of his eye before critizing others for their sins!

  83. 83.

    Ohio Mom

    September 23, 2017 at 4:35 pm

    “YOU’RE FIRED. Find something else to do!”

    He really has a six year old’s understanding of the scope of the presidency’s powers: “When I grow up, I’m going to be president and make a law that no one is allowed to eat vegetables and you can stay up as late as you want.”

    Remember the Woody Allen joke, “I’m not afraid of death, I just don’t want to be there when it happens”? I don’t want to be there when this presidency falls, just want to skip ahead to whatever is next. It is going to be very ugly, everything to do with Trump is uglier and uglier.

  84. 84.

    vtr

    September 23, 2017 at 4:37 pm

    Shut the fk up Donny. Contemplate the obvious fact that there is nothing on the face of the earth you can do as well as Curry plays basketball. Nothing. Unlike too many political office holders, professional athletes are chosen by expert judges of talent.

  85. 85.

    Ben Cisco (onboard the Defiant)

    September 23, 2017 at 4:37 pm

    @Ruckus:

    Of course it looks like he had a wino pick it out at the 99 Cent, All Day, Every Day store.

    Comedy gold!!

  86. 86.

    Spaniel

    September 23, 2017 at 4:38 pm

    I wonder if he is also getting a dig on the NFL owners because they would not let him have a team. IIRC, he sued the NFL.

  87. 87.

    NorthLeft12

    September 23, 2017 at 4:38 pm

    @JDM:

    Also interesting is how often, in descriptions of athletic ability, natural talent is more often invoked in the case of black athletes while white athletes more often have hard work invoked.

    And intelligence. You always here about these “smart” players and more often than not they are white guys. The sports media has their narratives and stereotypes of different groups of players and they continue to cling to them…..along with their guns and bibles.

  88. 88.

    Uncle Ebeneezer

    September 23, 2017 at 4:39 pm

    @JDM: And “intelligence” and “playing the RIGHT way.” The racism of how people usually describe athletes is pretty obvious.

  89. 89.

    lamh36

    September 23, 2017 at 4:39 pm

    @debbie: Late, but UNC basketball is also NOT going to WH

  90. 90.

    Smiling Mortician

    September 23, 2017 at 4:39 pm

    @Felony Govt (formerly Old Broad in California): I rather like that the giant orange fart-cloud is doing his best to unite SportsWorld and ArtWorld against him (not to mention ScienceWorld and, basically, ThinkingPeopleWorld).

  91. 91.

    HeleninEire

    September 23, 2017 at 4:40 pm

    @Ruckus: Here it depends how many generations you go back. You can go back for sure to your parents. If one of your parents was born here you are an Irish citizen. Gets a little hazy with your Grandparents. But prolly the same. Just more paperwork.

    Italians, you say? Yeah they are the only other Europeans who do that, but I have no real info on that.

    Good luck!

  92. 92.

    Ben Cisco (onboard the Defiant)

    September 23, 2017 at 4:40 pm

    @Baud: Damn, my apologies Betty. Your game’s strong. You and Cole have a similar level of badassery.

  93. 93.

    lamh36

    September 23, 2017 at 4:40 pm

    @Betty Cracker: 2x I believe?

  94. 94.

    NotMax

    September 23, 2017 at 4:40 pm

    @Ohio Mom

    Expect stories to filter out of Dolt 45 going full-on Travis Bickle at the TV screens he’s addicted to in the interim.

  95. 95.

    Ruckus

    September 23, 2017 at 4:42 pm

    @MattF:
    Comfortable socks.
    I don’t give a fuck what they look like. White sport socks seem to be the best. So that’s what I wear.
    You may notice that I’m no clothes horse. I may once in a while verge towards horse’s ass but still, no clothes horse. Once had a job where I couldn’t wear denim to the office or shirts without a collar and sneakers were frowned upon. On my way there I had to stop and buy another wardrobe. Then we got a new co president and he said screw the wardrobe rules. The best, and only intelligent thing he said or did in his one year there.

  96. 96.

    NorthLeft12

    September 23, 2017 at 4:43 pm

    @Trentrunner:

    I want them to listen to the pain that that may cause somebody who, for example, had a spouse or a child who was killed in combat, and why it hurts them to see somebody not standing.

    President Obama

    I respect the hell out of President Obama, but since when did the US national anthem become about/owned by the military? This ongoing glorification of the armed forces is one of the greatest threats to your country and way of life, IMO.

  97. 97.

    Felonius Monk

    September 23, 2017 at 4:44 pm

    Fuck him and every single shithead who voted for him.

    And also those that like him, but were too lazy to vote for him.

  98. 98.

    Kathleen

    September 23, 2017 at 4:44 pm

    @debbie: There was talk that Bengals might pick him up. Haven’t heard anything lately.

  99. 99.

    Baud

    September 23, 2017 at 4:44 pm

    @NorthLeft12: I agree. Maybe when we had temporary wars it made sense. But not in our current state.

  100. 100.

    Ohio Mom

    September 23, 2017 at 4:45 pm

    @NotMax: This is somewhat wasted on me because I don’t know who Travis Bickle is. I will
    have to ask Ohio Dad about this. But I believe you. He is going to get to full melt-down.

    I want to add, Trump probably is aware he can’t really fire a football player but he probably thinks he should be able to.

    ETA: D’Oh Taxi Driver. No wonder the name sounded familiar!

  101. 101.

    lamh36

    September 23, 2017 at 4:46 pm

    “Jay Z on Trump: “I’m looking at him like, man, this is a joke… with all disrespect.” trib.al/q4VOlmE

  102. 102.

    lamh36

    September 23, 2017 at 4:47 pm

    @abell
    BREAKING: Now it’s the @UNC basketball championship team not visiting @realdonaldtrump White House

    May or may NOT have to do with Chump’s stupidity, but I suspect a team w/majority players of color is more likely to have enough votes to say we don’t want to go

  103. 103.

    NotMax

    September 23, 2017 at 4:48 pm

    @SpanielAnother stunning Dolt 45 success story, the United States Football League.

    In 1985, the USFL voted to move from a spring to a fall schedule in 1986 to compete directly with the NFL. This was done at the urging of New Jersey Generals majority owner Donald Trump and a handful of other owners as a way to force a merger between the leagues. As part of this strategy, the USFL filed an anti-trust lawsuit against the National Football League in 1986, and a jury ruled that the NFL had violated anti-monopoly laws. However, in a victory in name only, the USFL was awarded a judgment of just $1, which under anti-trust laws, was tripled to $3. This court decision effectively ended the USFL. The league never played the 1986 season, and by the time it folded, it had lost over US$163 million. Source

    Even then, touting generals.

  104. 104.

    lamh36

    September 23, 2017 at 4:50 pm

    Trump was good picking on the NFL, cause the NFL and white owners keep tight leash on ALOT of players…the NBA players don’t play that mess.

    “Kobe Bryant: Trump “can’t possibly” make America great again because he “inspires hatred” http://hill.cm/kNnGfU2 pic.twitter.com/fqVpjq0Ucg

  105. 105.

    Ruckus

    September 23, 2017 at 4:50 pm

    @NorthLeft12:
    I worked in professional sports, my comment at #95 was that job. The number of fans who thought that they could perform at the level of the top of the heap was amazing. And I was told once by an extremely talented participant that he could not understand how one of the other participants did what he did. This other participant was just supremely talented. He sure wasn’t a hard worker, just a hard partier, he was busted for drug use less than a year later. When even a fellow participant doesn’t understand how you are so good and regular people think they can play the game as well or better than them, you know that a lot of spectators have no idea what is required.

  106. 106.

    The Pale Scot

    September 23, 2017 at 4:52 pm

    @Ruckus: Irish Citizenship through Grandparents

    And, if you get citizenship, you get an EU passport.

    Something to think about

  107. 107.

    Kathleen

    September 23, 2017 at 4:53 pm

    @SFBayAreaGal: @debbie: Think of all the Trump voters they could interview.

  108. 108.

    debbie

    September 23, 2017 at 4:54 pm

    @lamh36:

    “With all disrespect.” Nice!

  109. 109.

    Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady)

    September 23, 2017 at 4:57 pm

    Because my father was Canadian when I was born, I could apply for Canadian birth citizenship and be a dual citizen. My son is in the process of obtaining top secret security clearance for his job, and one of the questions he was asked was whether anyone in his family was a dual citizen. That is apparently a potential problem.

  110. 110.

    rk

    September 23, 2017 at 4:57 pm

    I really really really hate this man! On a beautiful day filled with sunshine, the president of the United States supposedly the most powerful man in the world is quarreling with sportsmen and calling them vulgar names on twitter. I want everyone who voted for this abomination to burn in hell, after they lose everything here on earth.
    UGH!

  111. 111.

    NotMax

    September 23, 2017 at 4:58 pm

    @Ohio Mom

    I want to add, Trump probably is aware he can’t really fire a football player but he probably thinks he should be able to.

    Senator Curry has a nice ring to it.

  112. 112.

    zhena gogolia

    September 23, 2017 at 4:59 pm

    @vtr:

    Well said!

  113. 113.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    September 23, 2017 at 5:00 pm

    @NorthLeft12:
    Definitely agreed. I could understand where he was coming from, but why should anybody assume that kneeling for the Natl. Anthem means that you’re an unAmerican demon who hates the Troops?

    The whole concept of the military defending American Freedoms (what freedoms need defending? The closest that was ever the case at the latest was WW2) and therefore should never be criticized. It’s whack. The military is a necessary evil and, yes, should be better taken care of, but they’re not all Rambo. Most members haven’t even seen active combat. Don’t call them all heroes. Many hate being call that too.

  114. 114.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 23, 2017 at 5:00 pm

    @NotMax: I feel like we could maybe pick somebody with more relevant experience.

  115. 115.

    Ruckus

    September 23, 2017 at 5:01 pm

    @Spaniel:
    A lot of people never went to Vietnam. I served but was sent somewhere else. I have a friend who answered the draft and was sent to Army language school in CO. He was so good they kept him as an instructor for his entire tour.
    I don’t care that someone didn’t go to Vietnam, the number I’ve heard is about 5% of the population served and not all of those were sent there. I do care about people who never served in any capacity, including the Peace Corp or such, yet they act like they are the most patriotic people because they can send others or wave a flag. I don’t mind war protestors, it was a horrible, unnecessary war. As are the two GWB sent people to, which we are still paying horribly for and people are still dying for.
    drumpf is horrible because he’s an asshole deluxe, a bigoted, grifting, lying fucking asshole deluxe. He doesn’t understand patriotism any more than most of his supporters. He doesn’t understand this country any more than most of his supporters.
    He is an asshole deluxe. Always has been, always will be.

  116. 116.

    NotMax

    September 23, 2017 at 5:04 pm

    @Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady)

    The rules may have changed, but at least at one time I was (technically) eligible to become President yet ineligible to join the F.B.I. because one parent was born outside the U.S. as a citizen of another country.

  117. 117.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    September 23, 2017 at 5:05 pm

    @Ruckus:
    I’m willing to give people who dodged the draft because of their principles a pass too; I can understand not wanting to die in a pointless war that was lost before it even began.

  118. 118.

    schrodingers_cat

    September 23, 2017 at 5:06 pm

    @Hal: Similar to the resentment by Teeps (T’s peeps) directed at immigrants/temporary workers etc not their employers.

  119. 119.

    NotMax

    September 23, 2017 at 5:06 pm

    @Major Major Major Major

    Tongue in cheek.

    OTOH, Bill Bradley worked out darn well.

  120. 120.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 23, 2017 at 5:11 pm

    @NotMax: Well, in some states, a Democrat whose main qualification is being a famous athlete would be your best shot, not so in California.

  121. 121.

    Ruckus

    September 23, 2017 at 5:11 pm

    @HeleninEire:
    My sister checked upon the family history because she was interested and went to the UK in the 60s to find out more info and to see her roots. However I know it went back farther than grandparents to at least great grandparents so……
    And everyone else that might be able to tell me anything is gone now so I’m not hopeful on the Scotch or Irish side.
    @The Pale Scot:
    Something to think about. That’s why I was thinking about it. But documentation would be a massive problem, that I don’t see a way around.

  122. 122.

    raven

    September 23, 2017 at 5:11 pm

    @Spaniel: He didn’t just not got to Vietnam. The chickenshit motherfucker used his money and status to get a bullshit deferment.

  123. 123.

    Ruckus

    September 23, 2017 at 5:14 pm

    @NotMax:

    Even then, touting generals.

    And losing money hand over fist.

  124. 124.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 23, 2017 at 5:15 pm

    Vox has a piece on two big state bills, bail reform in New Jersey and my state senator’s housing streamlining in California https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/9/22/16345092/california-new-jersey-state-legislature-advances

  125. 125.

    Felonius Monk

    September 23, 2017 at 5:16 pm

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:

    but why should anybody assume that kneeling for the Natl. Anthem means that you’re an unAmerican demon who hates the Troops?

    Because that is the mentality of the Real ‘Merican Arm-chair Patriots.

  126. 126.

    NotMax

    September 23, 2017 at 5:17 pm

    @Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe)

    I can understand not wanting to die in a pointless war

    Nobody even halfway rational wants to die in any war. The principles were derived from not supporting the war – its rationale, its escalation, its existence.

  127. 127.

    Lyrebird

    September 23, 2017 at 5:17 pm

    The NFL leadership speaking up was essential.

    I also like Colin K’s mom’s retort. (raw story)

    Anyone have a good YouTube link to the Bamz playing hoops with the troops or with friends? I think I need to watch it over and over…

  128. 128.

    Lyrebird

    September 23, 2017 at 5:18 pm

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: At least one veteran’s group came forward from the first and said (iirc) heck, we fought for the freedom of speech, let the guy use it already!

  129. 129.

    Ruckus

    September 23, 2017 at 5:22 pm

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:
    Yes. I didn’t include that but you are right. That is part of the concept of this country. You can be different, you can complain, you can resist. I know of people who burned their draft cards and were ready to go to jail. I didn’t think less of them for that, I respected them more than you might imagine. That wasn’t the route for me, I had things I wanted to accomplish and jail was a real possibility for not answering the draft. Jail would have been an obstacle for me. Of course none of those things came about but that’s an entirely different story.

  130. 130.

    lgerard

    September 23, 2017 at 5:22 pm

    he or she should not be allowed to disrespect our great American flag

    But waving the confederate flag is……………..

  131. 131.

    Duane

    September 23, 2017 at 5:23 pm

    @a href=”#comment-6565671″>SFAW: Trump went to Alabama and delivered a bona fide statement confirming his ingrained racism.
    He doesn’t care how these black athletes think, or even if they get needlessly injured.His attitude is shut up and entertain me, you son of a bitch.
    I did not think I could loathe Trump more.I was wrong.

  132. 132.

    Baud

    September 23, 2017 at 5:26 pm

    @lgerard: That’s different. That’s heritage.

  133. 133.

    Lyrebird

    September 23, 2017 at 5:28 pm

    @Duane:

    I did not think I could loathe Trump more.I was wrong.

    Nicely put.
    About some not-so-nice truths.

    Layer on top his complete disregard for the power of his words to inspire crazies… I mean if Some Random Rich White Dude said this it’d be bad enough!

    Was it Doug! saying that “heighten the contradictions” means “other people besides me are gonna get hurt” (roughly)? He (Trump not Doug) does not care in the slightest.

  134. 134.

    debbie

    September 23, 2017 at 5:28 pm

    @raven:

    Don’t leave out bone spurs!

  135. 135.

    NotMax

    September 23, 2017 at 5:29 pm

    @Ruckus

    Still don’t grok it to this day.

    My local draft board was destroyed by a fire. (Not arson or anything like that, a grease fire from the restaurant downstairs gutted the building.)

    They set up temporary digs in the next town – inside a Quaker meeting house outbuilding.

  136. 136.

    NotMax

    September 23, 2017 at 5:32 pm

    @NotMax

    Neglected to mention this took place during the late sixties.

  137. 137.

    divF

    September 23, 2017 at 5:32 pm

    Just got an email from the Univ. Calif. PD. There is a protest march on the south side of campus. Meanwhile there is the Cal / USC football game being played a few blocks from there (halftime, score tied 13-13).

    This is not going to go well.

  138. 138.

    Felonius Monk

    September 23, 2017 at 5:32 pm

    @debbie:

    Don’t leave out bone spurs!

    Those were probably implants.

  139. 139.

    HeleninEire

    September 23, 2017 at 5:37 pm

    @Ruckus: @Baud: Too bad. Good luck. Course I’m looking to marry Baud 2020. He’s my boyfriend. He just keeps pretending that he’s not.

  140. 140.

    trollhattan

    September 23, 2017 at 5:37 pm

    @raven:
    When was the referee lockout and scab refs that ended right after the fail Mary (of which I heartily approved)?

  141. 141.

    sukabi

    September 23, 2017 at 5:38 pm

    @Trentrunner: Puerto Rico could actually face the largest disaster in this country’s history (dams about to fail). And they’re having trouble alerting folks due to lack of power / cell service, and all this gaping asshole can do is wipe his ass on the constitution.

  142. 142.

    NotMax

    September 23, 2017 at 5:39 pm

    @HeleninEire

    Sure and Baudgorra!

    ;)

  143. 143.

    catclub

    September 23, 2017 at 5:40 pm

    @Baud:

    Bodes well for the midterms.

    well, if the just and merciful get raptured, not so much. Plenty of assholes will still be around down here.

  144. 144.

    Ruckus

    September 23, 2017 at 5:40 pm

    @NotMax:
    First, I’m an atheist. But I’ve known and been related to a number of Quakers. My sister’s service was a Quaker circle. I’ve been to Quaker meetings. Quakers believe in being your own person. They believe in peace. They believe in the right to resist. They believe that each person has to answer the call in their own way. They believe that there are things that they don’t like or understand in the world. They believe that there are things one might have to do which is not supported by their beliefs. They believe in forgiveness. They believe that you can be a good person and not be a Quaker. They believe in a system that allows all of that and a lot that I’ve not covered.
    I can see them opening their doors to the draft board, as difficult as it is to look at the Quaker religion and understand. And after all there is a conscientious objector section of the draft law.

  145. 145.

    NorthLeft12

    September 23, 2017 at 5:45 pm

    @Ruckus: I think Dunning-Krueger has an effect for that.

    BTW these are the same guys who watch the game on TV with a football in their hands, as if they will get a magic call to show up to take over for the overpaid QB…..and yeah, bring your ball.

  146. 146.

    Uncle Cosmo

    September 23, 2017 at 5:47 pm

    @Baud: I was kinda hoping for the Crapture – when the fundamentally faithful are en masse lifted up bodily & deposited in the nearest septic tank. Ah well….

  147. 147.

    lamh36

    September 23, 2017 at 5:49 pm

    ABC News ✔ @ABC
    NEW: Miami Dolphins owner responds to Pres. Trump: “Our country needs unifying leadership right now, not more divisiveness.”
    https://twitter.com/ABC/status/911704217684934656

    the fine print “…but my players bettta NOT #TakeAKnee”

    Is it just me, or has ALL the NFL responses so far been tepid at best…

    I’m guessin’ the Commish and the PR teams decided on the same type of statements…

    Speaking of the NFL…the Cowboys for example… I know Jerry Jones has “dem boyz” on a tight leash, but ya mean to tell me, if big talent on Cowboys team takes a knee…what is ole dude gon do? Get rid of the biggest talent…??? I mean would ANY of the team management really do anything to big talent other than fine…MAYBE?

  148. 148.

    JPL

    September 23, 2017 at 5:49 pm

    It wouldn’t bother me if players knelt, if the had MAGA hats.

  149. 149.

    Raven

    September 23, 2017 at 5:49 pm

    Great to get a mild vertigo attack as I leave to sit in the 2nd row of the upper deck. At least I got moved from the 1st last year!

  150. 150.

    NotMax

    September 23, 2017 at 5:50 pm

    @Ruckus

    Not related to your comment directly but wanted to mention the high school I attended (during Viet Nam war times) had a teacher* who doubled as an official on-staff Draft Counselor.

    *Memory from those times increasingly fuzzy but 99% sure he was also a self-avowed and vocal pacifist.

  151. 151.

    Felonius Monk

    September 23, 2017 at 5:57 pm

    @Raven:

    Great to get a mild vertigo attack as I leave to sit in the 2nd row of the upper deck.

    Maybe you better start wearing a parachute. :)

    Go Dawgs.

  152. 152.

    HeleninEire

    September 23, 2017 at 5:58 pm

    @NotMax: Good. Very good.

  153. 153.

    lamh36

    September 23, 2017 at 5:59 pm

    Ya damn right!

    @CharlesPPierce 25s25 seconds ago
    More
    Let us stipulate that every NFL player who takes a knee has worked harder for his money than the current president* did.

  154. 154.

    NotMax

    September 23, 2017 at 5:59 pm

    @Ruckus

    Also recall being lambasted and repeatedly threatened with all manner of horribleness because I showed up to register after the appointed deadline.

    “Gee, ya think maybe I’m late because the draft office I was supposed to report at burned down and you have only just re-opened here?”

    Bunch of officious shites, they.

  155. 155.

    WaterGirl

    September 23, 2017 at 5:59 pm

    @Barbara:

    I know Trump has zero redeeming qualities, but it still amazes me how many ways he has managed to prove the point.

    That is so awesome. I just wanted to see it in print one more time.

  156. 156.

    Ruckus

    September 23, 2017 at 6:04 pm

    @Ruckus:
    There are many ways to serve your country, to be a patriot. Not everyone has to carry arms and be in a war zone to serve. Think about the medics in Vietnam who were conscientious objectors and didn’t carry a gun, war zone, no killing. Think about those members of the Peace Corp, which still exists to this day, 56 yrs later.
    OTOH, I know of a fella I went to HS with who got a deferment for being highly allergic to bee stings. I’ve written here before that my draft physical was one in name only. The blood and urine samples were put in racks, unlabeled. Because of that I assumed they were also untested. You had 4 limbs and 2 eyes, you were 1A. People that had deferments had to ask for and fight for them. Raven is absolutely correct, fuck LBJ for that war and the cost to the citizens that it didn’t just touch but beat severely about the head. Many of whom, if it didn’t kill outright it broke them but good. And fuck drumpf for being such a shitstain he doesn’t get any of this. At least LBJ had some redeeming qualities. Shitstain has no redeeming qualities, none, nada, zip, zero.

  157. 157.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    September 23, 2017 at 6:06 pm

    @Ruckus:
    And I completely understand that; you having things you wanted to accomplish.
    What do you think of the whole “thank you for your service” routine a lot of veterans and active duty personnel have to go through?

  158. 158.

    schrodingers_cat

    September 23, 2017 at 6:07 pm

    @Ruckus: The various rationales given for Vietnam never really made much sense to me.

  159. 159.

    lamh36

    September 23, 2017 at 6:14 pm

    “@Rachel__Nichols
    49ers owner Jed York calls Trump speech “callous & offensive,” says team will “support players in their peaceful pursuit of positive change”

    https://twitter.com/Rachel__Nichols/status/911713529513705472

  160. 160.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    September 23, 2017 at 6:15 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:
    Including the Domino theory? Hindsight is 20/20. American foreign policy from roughly the end of WW2 was all about containing communism and that was where the US was operating from. I think America’s primary problem going into Vietnam was thinking that WW2/Korean War doctrines and tactics were going to work in Vietnam. IOW, the US was overconfident and arrogant and thought Superior firepower and tech was all that was needed to “win” in Vietnam.

  161. 161.

    pattonbt

    September 23, 2017 at 6:15 pm

    It will be interesting to see if this has any impacts on more athletes taking a knee during the anthem or not. One way to sink Trump is to get him to have “own goals” – goad him into stupid rhetoric like this. The man cannot help himself.

    When you think how far the office of the president has been debased in less than a year, it’s horrific.

  162. 162.

    Ruckus

    September 23, 2017 at 6:15 pm

    @NotMax:
    Ever hear of the American Friends Service Committee? Founded in 1917. They offered counseling about being a conscientious objector during Vietnam. They may still do that to this day. Their are a Quaker organization that promotes lasting peace with justice, as a practical expression of faith in action. Something we could all use. Even if you aren’t their faith.

  163. 163.

    NotMax

    September 23, 2017 at 6:18 pm

    @Ruckus

    Oh yes. Worked closely with them several times.

  164. 164.

    Ruckus

    September 23, 2017 at 6:18 pm

    @NotMax:

    Bunch of officious shites, they.

    They had a difficult job, figuring out who to risk being killed in uniform, without harming the rich, famous and connected.

  165. 165.

    lamh36

    September 23, 2017 at 6:19 pm

    @pattonbt: Right…I know that some of NFL owners keep a tight leash, but if ALL the Black players were like..naw, I’m gon take a knee…what…they gon suspend ALL the Black players? Who gone play fam? The owners may be 100% white, but the Black players are 70% of the league?

  166. 166.

    debbie

    September 23, 2017 at 6:20 pm

    @lamh36:

    I’m very glad to see owners speaking up. It’d be nice if some of the ones who support Trump would say something, but I might as well wish for unicorns.

  167. 167.

    Ruckus

    September 23, 2017 at 6:20 pm

    @pattonbt:
    Especially when you think how far it was debased in the first 8 yrs of this century.

  168. 168.

    lamh36

    September 23, 2017 at 6:22 pm

    “@MasterTes 1
    #Raiders P Marquette King on IG in front of the White House: “Looks like this ‘Son of a bitch’ revoked my invitation too! @StephenCurry30”
    https://twitter.com/MasterTes/status/911713629795385346

  169. 169.

    NotMax

    September 23, 2017 at 6:23 pm

    @Ruckus

    Ought to be fair and say my ire was not directed at the throng of blue-haired ladies who worked there but at the uniformed personnel who were, in toto, intent on being strutting asses.

  170. 170.

    satby

    September 23, 2017 at 6:24 pm

    @HeleninEire: Hands off, Baud is mine ??

  171. 171.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    September 23, 2017 at 6:24 pm

    @pattonbt:

    When you think how far the office of the president has been debased in less than a year, it’s horrific.

    How I always view it: The Office is bigger than the person occupying it. The Office of POTUS has a lot of built up prestige that has been accumulated by past POTUSs. That can’t be that easily wiped away. Not even by Trumpenstein.

  172. 172.

    Ruckus

    September 23, 2017 at 6:25 pm

    @NotMax:
    Do tell!
    If I was at all religious I’d be a Quaker. Meetings were not sermons, not at all. You wanted to know about what’s in the bible, you had to read it. You had to form your own mind. I went to meetings out of respect of people I was related to, not for any religious guidance, but I never saw that I would have gotten any in a meeting anyway.

  173. 173.

    lamh36

    September 23, 2017 at 6:26 pm

    @pannlewis44
    Giants’ owners call Trump’s comments “inappropriate, offensive and divisive” – ProFootballTalk @docrocktex26
    https://twitter.com/pannlewis44/status/911697904674406400

  174. 174.

    lamh36

    September 23, 2017 at 6:27 pm

    @CharlesMBlow
    Charles M. Blow Retweeted Kayla
    There is not middle ground between white supremacy and racial equality. Everyone who searches for that center gets lost.
    https://twitter.com/CharlesMBlow/status/911701811127623681

  175. 175.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    September 23, 2017 at 6:28 pm

    Dan Le Batard Show‏ √ @LeBatardShow 8h8 hours ago

    The president of our country used stronger language against black players silently protesting inequality than he did on Nazis.

    183 replies 3,735 retweets 5,940 likes

  176. 176.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 23, 2017 at 6:28 pm

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: if we had really wanted to prevent communism in Vietnam we would’ve pressured France to withdraw and agitate for peaceful Vietnamese independence. We didn’t do that, so they allied with the available anti-colonialists (many in the Vietnamese leadership also had Marxist leanings but it wasn’t their raison d’etre).

    ETA and then after it was preventable we decided to try and prevent it.

  177. 177.

    satby

    September 23, 2017 at 6:30 pm

    Just went to use my Netflix as it was 95° inside at the farmer’s market today and I’m too wiped out to even eat. My Netflix screen was all in German, and evidently that’s where my account has been used for the last two months (I seldom watch it).
    I changed my email, password and checked sign out of all devices to try to throw the usurpers off; should I do anything else?

  178. 178.

    NotMax

    September 23, 2017 at 6:30 pm

    @Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe)

    Picture the office as a nicely varnished length of fine lumber.

    Now picture Dolt 45 pounding as many nails into it as he can fit.

    Next picture future presidents removing those nails.

    There will still be thousands of holes left scarring (and weakening) the wood.

  179. 179.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 23, 2017 at 6:33 pm

    @NotMax: good metaphor.

  180. 180.

    NotMax

    September 23, 2017 at 6:35 pm

    @satby

    Call up the company of the credit card to which your Netflix is billed and let them know, right now. Might want to shoot an e-mail to Netflix customer service informing them as well.

  181. 181.

    rikyrah

    September 23, 2017 at 6:37 pm

    Betsy DeVos directs schools to let accused rapists interrogate their victims
    By Matthew Chapman | September 22, 2017

    Betsy DeVos’s Department of Education just rescinded Title IX guidelines to protect survivors of campus sexual assault, in a letter that gets even the basic facts about federal policy dead wrong.

    https://shareblue.com/betsy-devos-directs-schools-to-let-accused-rapists-interrogate-their-victims/

  182. 182.

    Ruckus

    September 23, 2017 at 6:37 pm

    @NotMax:

    the uniformed personnel who were, in toto, intent on being strutting asses.

    We called them lifers. Insufferable assholes. And don’t get me wrong there were 3 camps of enlisted people trying to make their 30 yrs.
    1. Motherfucking douchebag assholes. Sounds like the type you met. Maybe 70%.
    2. Indifferent people who worked normally and just wanted their 30 to go by as peacefully as possible. Maybe 20%.
    3. People you’d follow anywhere, at any risk, because they were good people who could tell the difference between bluster/bullshit and real leadership. Somewhere about 10%. And you would find them when you least expected to. I worked for a Marine staff sargent for 3 weeks or so in the shore patrol while on temp duty in 1973. He easily fit into this group. A no nonsense Marine’s Marine, I’d have run into machine gun fire for him. Can’t tell you exactly why I would have, other than just plain respect.

  183. 183.

    schrodingers_cat

    September 23, 2017 at 6:41 pm

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: The Domino theory is/was bullshit, it didn’t work in Vietnam and the Iraq example is fresh too.
    The United States after WWII stepped into the shoes of the previous colonizers (Britain and France) one can hardly blame the Vietnamese for wanting their own independence.

  184. 184.

    jeffreyw

    September 23, 2017 at 6:44 pm

    @satby: Check your account profile, look at the language preferance.

  185. 185.

    NotMax

    September 23, 2017 at 6:44 pm

    @Ruckus

    Presume being assigned to push papers at a rinky-dink local draft office is not high on the totem pole, career advancement-wise.

  186. 186.

    schrodingers_cat

    September 23, 2017 at 6:45 pm

    @NotMax: Its worse than that, by going back on the treaties signed, by deporting people previously promised a fast track to citizenship (military recruits) by pulling stunts like the travel ban T is destroying the reputation of the United States. I would not be totally surprised to see a move away from $ as the reserve currency.

  187. 187.

    Zach

    September 23, 2017 at 6:45 pm

    “If [Lebron James] wants the privilege of making millions of dollars in the NBA, he or she should not be allowed to disrespect…….[Donald Trump]. If not, YOU’RE FIRED. Find something else to do!”

    CLEARLY what T meant, but he’s too much a coward to write it.

  188. 188.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    September 23, 2017 at 6:47 pm

    @NotMax:

    There will still be thousands of holes left scarring (and weakening) the wood.

    Isn’t that what wood filler is for :P

    But seriously, I believe that is up to all of us to decide. It wasn’t until recently that I’ve come to believe that the Presidency has too much power, anyway. It’s great when your side is in charge. Not so much when the shoe is on the other foot. If the GOP were closer to the center it wouldn’t be so bad, but that isn’t true right now of course.

  189. 189.

    Felony Govt (formerly Old Broad in California)

    September 23, 2017 at 6:47 pm

    @Smiling Mortician: As well as many in the business community who don’t want to alienate the people who actually buy things.

    It’s remarkable how much the built-in respect a Predifent would ordinarily get has withered in these 8 or so months- all due to the actions of the (illegitimate) occupant of the office.

  190. 190.

    NotMax

    September 23, 2017 at 6:48 pm

    @schrodingers_cat

    All generalizations break down, including this one.

    ;)

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    PST

    September 23, 2017 at 6:50 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Braintrust: You ever sleep a bunch and have the black bags under your eyes get darker?

    Yes, after an eight-hour flight when fluid has pooled a little in my legs. During a long night of deep sleep it redistributes itself, including engorgement of the bags under my eyes. I can’t say they were darker, exactly, but definitely puffier.

  192. 192.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    September 23, 2017 at 6:50 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:
    Yeah, I think I’ve read that the North Vietnamese were primarily anti-colonialist than communist. That nuance was lost on the West however. They were too concerned about losing yet another Asian nation to communism, like China a decade and a half earlier.

  193. 193.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 23, 2017 at 6:51 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: I don’t think domino theory was a fake rationale though, just a sincerely held wrong one.

  194. 194.

    TS

    September 23, 2017 at 6:52 pm

    @Eric K:

    Keith Olberman noted that whenever a few players didn’t meet with him Obama never made a big deal about it and graciously met whoever did come.

    This is how a real President behaves. You never know how good it is – until it is gone.

  195. 195.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    September 23, 2017 at 6:54 pm

    @Zach:
    “If [Lebron James] wants the privilege of making millions of dollars in the NBA, he or she should not be allowed to disrespect…….[Donald Trump]. If not, YOU’RE FIRED YOU’RE DEAD. Find something else to do!”

    This is the same guy who has a hard-on for Putin, remember.

  196. 196.

    satby

    September 23, 2017 at 6:56 pm

    @NotMax: it’s PayPal, and nothing extra has been charged. I cancelled Netflix for the time being too.

  197. 197.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    September 23, 2017 at 6:56 pm

    Chris Paul ✔ @CP3

    And I doubt he’s man enough to call any of those players a son of a bitch to their face…
    9:10 AM – Sep 23, 2017

    2,325 2,325 Replies
    55,554 55,554 Retweets
    136,667

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    debbie

    September 23, 2017 at 6:56 pm

    No name calling, so Dotard must respect Goodell:

    Roger Goodell of NFL just put out a statement trying to justify the total disrespect certain players show to our country.Tell them to stand!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 23, 2017

  199. 199.

    satby

    September 23, 2017 at 6:56 pm

    @jeffreyw: thanks, switched it back.
    Edited to add: before I cancelled it.

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    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    September 23, 2017 at 6:56 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:

    one can hardly blame the Vietnamese for wanting their own independence.

    No, one can’t. But the US was too scared of losing more ground in Asia to what they perceived as communism. The domino theory was wrong, but, like M×4 says, it was sincerely believed.

    ETA: Don’t take this as an apology for American foreign policy, mid-century onward.

  201. 201.

    BC in Illinois

    September 23, 2017 at 6:57 pm

    @Ruckus:

    While I ran into my percentage of category #1 – – asshole lifers – – I found that the percentage of absolutely admirable Chief Petty Officers in the Hospital Corps was very high. Can’t speak for the other ratings. (This was during the Nixon administration.)

  202. 202.

    HeleninEire

    September 23, 2017 at 6:57 pm

    @satby: Oh stop that, sweetie. I can beat you in a thumb fight!!!

  203. 203.

    debbie

    September 23, 2017 at 6:58 pm

    How long till he lashes out because she’s taking away attention from him?

    Very proud of our incredible First Lady (@FLOTUS.) She is a truly great representative for our country! pic.twitter.com/yFv0WIjgby— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 23, 2017

  204. 204.

    debbie

    September 23, 2017 at 7:00 pm

    Trump’s tweet count so far today is 13. Is that a record?

  205. 205.

    NotMax

    September 23, 2017 at 7:00 pm

    @satby

    Sounds as if you’re all good. Didn’t mean to sound ominous.

    You can take the time before you reinstate it to become fluent in German.        :)

  206. 206.

    Kathleen

    September 23, 2017 at 7:00 pm

    @Teddys Person: I read that he said he didn’t care for Hillary or Trump – didn’t see a difference sort of thing.

  207. 207.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 23, 2017 at 7:01 pm

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: in the fight for Vietnamese independence we actively sided with France, the oppressor.

  208. 208.

    Duane

    September 23, 2017 at 7:02 pm

    @lamh36: I sincerely hope every player in the NFL takes a knee this week.

  209. 209.

    debbie

    September 23, 2017 at 7:03 pm

    I love Andy Borowitz.

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    Ruckus

    September 23, 2017 at 7:04 pm

    @NotMax:
    I’d bet not.
    Probably a real career end. But there are also posts where you might think that but the military doesn’t think the way civilians do and it maybe one where you are taking one for the “betterment.” If you aren’t on the inside it sometimes just escapes you what the thinking is. I’ve been told by some I put in my third group that they are pretty sure that sometimes there is no thinking going on at all. I can’t find fault with that professional opinion.

  211. 211.

    NotMax

    September 23, 2017 at 7:05 pm

    @debbie

    Didn’t look at picture, however that she feels is necessary or clever or whatever to sport that idiotic cap advertising who she is makes me gag.

  212. 212.

    debbie

    September 23, 2017 at 7:05 pm

    .

  213. 213.

    Kathleen

    September 23, 2017 at 7:07 pm

    @satby: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61IeTPSQHL8

  214. 214.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    September 23, 2017 at 7:07 pm

    @debbie:
    “Hail Trump! They stand for the National anthem or they can be deported!”

    People I know actually think this way. It’s crazy and completely ignores the context of WHY they’re not standing. Protest is meant to be uncomfortable to the masses and elites alike. It’s meant to draw attention to a specific issue. Those players are using their positions as a platform. If fans don’t like that, too fucking bad. Demand better from your police and political leaders if you want to watch 200 pound men slam into each other over a ball shaped like an egg without disruption.

    And showing disrespect is a right guaranteed to us by the Constitution; that falls under the First Amendment. If the NFL were to decide on their own to sanction these players that’s one thing. The POTUS has no business getting involved in ordering a private business to violate a citizen’s rights.

  215. 215.

    Doug R

    September 23, 2017 at 7:07 pm

    @debbie: I’m sure a CFL team would take him. Smaller salary, but he’d get to play.

  216. 216.

    Kathleen

    September 23, 2017 at 7:08 pm

    @HeleninEire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61IeTPSQHL8

  217. 217.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    September 23, 2017 at 7:09 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:
    I’m aware. That was an injustice.

  218. 218.

    lamh36

    September 23, 2017 at 7:10 pm

    @CillizzaCNN 2h2 hours ago
    More
    It’s impossible to conclude now Trump is doing anything other than purposely playing with racial animus

    Really Cilizza…really

  219. 219.

    debbie

    September 23, 2017 at 7:11 pm

    @NotMax:

    No, it’s of her trip to Canada today. She’s sitting and chatting with Prince Harry. Check out the body language. She’s so happy to be away from that husband of hers.

  220. 220.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    September 23, 2017 at 7:11 pm

    @lamh36:
    When even Chinchilla has finally figured it out, you know everybody else can see it too.

  221. 221.

    Gin & Tonic

    September 23, 2017 at 7:14 pm

    @TS: I’m afraid we won’t be able to have a normal president again in my lifetime.

  222. 222.

    satby

    September 23, 2017 at 7:15 pm

    @NotMax: where’s Amir when I need him?

  223. 223.

    lamh36

    September 23, 2017 at 7:16 pm

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: smh…I sincerely thought Mark Halperin was the most hackish reporter ever…but Cilizza has made a play for Halperin’s crown…smh

  224. 224.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 23, 2017 at 7:16 pm

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: simply a representation of our priorities.

  225. 225.

    Ruckus

    September 23, 2017 at 7:16 pm

    @BC in Illinois:
    A lot of the issue was I believe caused by the war and the draft. A lot of people who didn’t want to be there and who hadn’t made that sacrifice willingly. Second a lot of those were not unwilling to show their disgust with being there unwillingly. Third I do believe the hospital rates were different than many others. They had a job that wasn’t really working on or delivering weapons systems, at least directly. People like me in the navy were there to do exactly that. My job was maintaining and working on the electronic navigation systems of the ship, to allow it to get to and remain on battle stations to deliver the missiles and gun rounds to the enemy. Take me off a ship and put me in temp duty and instantly I was just a guy in a uniform.

  226. 226.

    NotMax

    September 23, 2017 at 7:17 pm

    @debbie

    Regardless, the FLOTUS-emblazoned cap is still and forever a Terrible Idea.

    Picture (have to actually work hard to make the image congeal and even then it is beyond laughable) Eleanor, or Jackie, or Nancy, or any first lady for that matter, similarly accoutered.

  227. 227.

    jl

    September 23, 2017 at 7:17 pm

    @TS: And Curry is being more of a stand up honest sort of person about it than, I think Brady. Curry is honestly, politely and respectfully, and intelligently, discussing what the problem is with a WH visit. I think Brady alwasy had some BS excuse. Had to wash his hair or clean the cat box or some such BS.

  228. 228.

    lamh36

    September 23, 2017 at 7:17 pm

    Shannon Sharpe checks fools on twitter daily!

    @ShannonSharpe
    America got EXACTLY what they voted for when they elected 45. A non politician that spoke his mind. Now they want him to act Presidential.?

    @SmithBailbonds_ Replied to Sharpe
    I swear I liked you way more before you decided to voice your opinion about politics. Wish we’d get what we deserve from your show.

    @ShannonSharpe
    You liked what I did ,not who I am. DIFFERENCE

  229. 229.

    satby

    September 23, 2017 at 7:18 pm

    @Kathleen: @HeleninEire: See? Now we both have to battle Kathleen for Baud.
    And you can only beat me because you’re younger and in better shape.

  230. 230.

    lamh36

    September 23, 2017 at 7:19 pm

    smh…and this is in reaction to those tepid azz statements Goodell et al gave….smh

    @realDonaldTrump
    Roger Goodell of NFL just put out a statement trying to justify the total disrespect certain players show to our country.Tell them to stand!

  231. 231.

    Mnemosyne

    September 23, 2017 at 7:20 pm

    Since I am not a sportsball fan, I had no idea who Steph Curry was until I saw him on Carpool Karaoke, but he seems to be pretty beloved by his fellow players and fans alike.

    IIRC, it was during the Bill Clinton years that some conservative athletes decided to make a “statement” about their personal feelings by staying home, so the Trumpistas don’t get to whine about it now. Fucking hypocrites.

  232. 232.

    JPL

    September 23, 2017 at 7:21 pm

    @debbie: Have you ever seen her smile, when she’s with him?
    I have no idea what’s going on with him. Something big must be coming from Mueller’s office, because the guy has totally flipped.

  233. 233.

    NotMax

    September 23, 2017 at 7:24 pm

    @debbie

    Guessing Harry was not wearing his all in good fun, boys will be boys Nazi attire.

  234. 234.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    September 23, 2017 at 7:24 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    IIRC, it was during the Bill Clinton years that some conservative athletes decided to make a “statement” about their personal feelings by staying home, so the Trumpistas don’t get to whine about it now. Fucking hypocrites.

    Yeah, but they’re ignorant fucks who Don’t even remember what they had for breakfast two days ago, let alone what some athletes from 20 years ago who no one remembers the names of did.

  235. 235.

    Shalimar

    September 23, 2017 at 7:25 pm

    @Kathleen: Well, Clinton has never called anyone’s mom a bitch, so I’m guessing he sees a difference now.

  236. 236.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    September 23, 2017 at 7:28 pm

    @NotMax:
    Must have gotten that from Edward Vlll

  237. 237.

    JPL

    September 23, 2017 at 7:29 pm

    Not sure if this was mentioned above, but the Falcons owner issued a statement. He was a big fundraiser for Trump

    “We are at our very best when we are working together, building unity and including everyone’s voice in a constructive dialogue,” Blank said in a statement. “Creating division or demonizing viewpoints that are different than our own accomplishes nothing positive and undermines our collective ability to achieve the ideals of our democracy.
    “The NFL has historically been a strong catalyst for positive change and I’m proud of the way our players, coaches and staff use that platform to give back to our community and strive to be good citizens making a positive impact on this and future generations.”

  238. 238.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 23, 2017 at 7:30 pm

    @JPL: the trump supporter lost me in sentence one with the talk about unity and dialogue.

  239. 239.

    debbie

    September 23, 2017 at 7:30 pm

    @JPL:

    No, just those quick, fake smiles. Like what I find myself doing at work.

  240. 240.

    Redshift

    September 23, 2017 at 7:33 pm

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:

    When even Chinchilla has finally figured it out, you know everybody else can see it too.

    He still just can’t understand why Trump doesn’t want to get to the bottom of this Russia thing, though. And responds to anyone who suggests it’s obvious with “do you have proof of collusion?”

    That’s apparently how journalism works in Chinchilla’s mind; you have to have proof first, and then you can investigate or express an opinion.

  241. 241.

    Ruckus

    September 23, 2017 at 7:34 pm

    @debbie:
    I do have to add that as a vet I am glad that the shitstain in charge did not serve. The military has a hard enough time with out doucebags like him. How much of a mess do you think he would have made? He would have probably been like that Marine recruit played by Vincent D’Onofrio, (Gomer Pyle) in Full Metal Jacket. Or possibly like the guy I served under, Ensign Parker. We called him that in that he was a dead ringer for Tim Conway in McHale’s Navy, pretty close in looks and spot on in stupidity. But because he was then and is now an asshole deluxe, I’d bet that someone would have taken the time to adjust his breathing down to zero and he never would have been able to inflict himself upon us now. The militaries gain is our loss.

  242. 242.

    Elizabelle

    September 23, 2017 at 7:34 pm

    King James has a new nation of fans.

    Very pleased to hear of all of this.

    ETA: I kneel with Colin. And LeBron.

  243. 243.

    mike in dc

    September 23, 2017 at 7:35 pm

    “Donald Trump is a white supremacist”. “Donald Trump is a racist”. “Donald Trump panders to racists.”
    Three sentences you won’t hear or see in right wing or mainstream media. Short of the Apprentice outtakes coming out, there’s really no more evidence needed to establish this as fact. Even if the outtakes came out and had him using the N-word in casual conversation in 2014, there’d still be toadies in the media(and his own party and cabinet) making excuses for him and rushing to forget the whole thing as soon as possible.

  244. 244.

    Elizabelle

    September 23, 2017 at 7:36 pm

    Haven’t read this thread, but watch how everyone will have an opinion on the sports related stuff, where Graham-Cassidy draws a big “really?” or “you’re overreacting”.

  245. 245.

    Redshift

    September 23, 2017 at 7:38 pm

    @JPL:

    Have you ever seen her smile, when she’s with him?

    I know it’s fun to speculate, but I honestly wouldn’t read too much into that. She’s Eastern European, big smiles are not so much of a thing in those cultures.

  246. 246.

    Ruckus

    September 23, 2017 at 7:38 pm

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:
    I thought that by the time Chinchilla figured it out, everyone else on the planet had done so at least a week prior.

  247. 247.

    NotMax

    September 23, 2017 at 7:39 pm

    Just a saunter down the more soiled bits of memory lane re: Dolt 45 and team owners, even rabidly Republican ones..

    Trump: Cubs’ owners ‘better be careful’

  248. 248.

    Felonius Monk

    September 23, 2017 at 7:40 pm

    @debbie:

    Trump’s tweet count so far today is 13. Is that a record?

    Depends on the category. I’ll take “Stupid shit said by the Great Orange Fuck-Knuckle for $200”, Alex.

  249. 249.

    Redshift

    September 23, 2017 at 7:42 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    Haven’t read this thread, but watch how everyone will have an opinion on the sports related stuff, where Graham-Cassidy draws a big “really?” or “you’re overreacting”.

    Er, from who?

  250. 250.

    Ruckus

    September 23, 2017 at 7:43 pm

    @lamh36:
    In military parlance that’s what’s known as a direct hit.

  251. 251.

    Elizabelle

    September 23, 2017 at 7:43 pm

    @Redshift: Oh, sorry. Not here. I meant among our unwoke family, friends, and colleagues.

    BJuice is woke.

    Hope you are feeling spiffy this lovely first weekend of fall.

  252. 252.

    Felonius Monk

    September 23, 2017 at 7:45 pm

    @Redshift:

    in Chinchilla’s mind

    Assumes facts not in evidence.

  253. 253.

    NotMax

    September 23, 2017 at 7:46 pm

    @Redshift

    Yup. Can’t remember health care, or health insurance, or the G-C bill ever being mentioned on this here blog, can you?

  254. 254.

    Redshift

    September 23, 2017 at 7:49 pm

    Speaking of Graham-Cassidy, they’re going to have a hearing about it before the Senate Finance Committee tomorrow, perhaps in the hope that a farcical imitation of “regular order” will get McCain back on board. Mark Warner posted a call for people to submit testimony about the bill by emailing to [email protected] before 9am Eastern on Monday.

  255. 255.

    rikyrah

    September 23, 2017 at 7:50 pm

    Lesean McCoy‏Verified account @CutonDime25

    It’s really sad man … our president is a asshole
    7:40 AM – 23 Sep 2017

  256. 256.

    rikyrah

    September 23, 2017 at 7:51 pm

    Samuel Sinyangwe
    ✔
    @samswey

    Trump is referencing the power of white supremacy. The power of white owners over black players. Of white politician over black population.
    8:53 PM – Sep 22, 2017

  257. 257.

    J R in WV

    September 23, 2017 at 7:52 pm

    @Ruckus:

    My shop implemented a “no blue jeans” rule… like no one ever heard of tan/brown/green denim. Also shirts – polo shirts have a collar, and they sold polo shirts with the agency logo on them, almost like a uniform, only completely not. I did dress up for presentations, esp. to folks outside our agency, but usually brown jeans and a polo shirt.

  258. 258.

    Mnemosyne

    September 23, 2017 at 7:53 pm

    @Redshift:

    He still just can’t understand why Trump doesn’t want to get to the bottom of this Russia thing, though.

    Here’s my cynical response to that: it’s because Cilizza knows that all do the accusations flung against Hillary (and Bill) Clinton were 100 percent bullshit, so he’s assuming that the allegations against Trump must also be bullshit. Don’t the plebes know that all of this “politics” stuff is just a game where the Kool Kids pick the winners and losers?

    The media picked Trump to be the winner, so obviously any allegations against him are false, because they’re not part of the game. QED.

  259. 259.

    Redshift

    September 23, 2017 at 7:54 pm

    @Elizabelle: Yeah, it’s frustrating, but there are always going to be people who stay engaged and those who don’t. If sportsball gets more people into the conversation, that’s good, maybe, even if they should have been paying attention to more life-and-death matters.

    I’m doing okay, other than having to learn that “chemo hiccups” are a thing.

  260. 260.

    fuckwit

    September 23, 2017 at 7:55 pm

    I QUIT!

    YOU CAN’T QUIT, BECAUSE YOU’RE FIRED!

    It’s like something out of a bad 1950s sitcom.

  261. 261.

    BC in Illinois

    September 23, 2017 at 7:57 pm

    @Ruckus:
    Yeah, and being a Corpsman who spent all his time in Bethesda, I was even more removed from the costs and tensions of conflict. (It was my brother who went to Vietnam, and who didn’t want me anywhere near there.)

    Which brings me to a side-realization that came up in a discussion about “taking a knee.” I was so insulated–spending 3 1/2 years at the Nat’l Naval Medical Center–that I could even (out of uniform) attend protests in DC. My wife and I went to an anti-war rally on the Capitol steps. Judy Collins sang. Chuck Colson organized a counter-rally.

    So when people talk about NFL players taking a stand, and get all “I didn’t serve my country so that those SOB’s could take a stand that I disagree with” . . . my answer is, “Yes, that’s PRECISELY what I want my service to this country to mean.” They kneel / stand / march / speak — as Americans — to make this country more of what it should be. That’s the freedom I wanted, and took advantage of, for myself.

    (Not to mention going to an “anti-inaugural concert” on Jan 19, 1972 at the Nat’l Cathedral. Haydn’s “Mass in Time of War.” Leonard Bernstein conducted. Dona Nobis Pacem and all that.)

  262. 262.

    lamh36

    September 23, 2017 at 7:58 pm

    @JPL: the phrasing in this statement is the SAME in all the statements releases so far. I’m thinking the NFL had a quick phone conference and gave the owners some talking points…

  263. 263.

    satby

    September 23, 2017 at 7:58 pm

    @Redshift: Hey, I’m seldom on for more than a couple of minutes at night, so saw the newsabout your illness and chemo too late to wish you well so you’d see it. Just glad that it seems things are going pretty well and that one chemo treatment sounds like all you’ll have to deal with. Best wishes for a speedy recovery!

  264. 264.

    Barbara

    September 23, 2017 at 7:58 pm

    @Elizabelle: Huh? What blog are you reading? Most of the posts on C-G are from David, who has been posting at least two or three times a day and telling everyone to call the Senate. As I have read through comments I have come across great links (just today, from the Toronto Star), which I post on Facebook and also tell people to call senators.

  265. 265.

    Mike G

    September 23, 2017 at 7:59 pm

    The irony is that Trump campaigned on contempt for “political correctness”

    It’s never ‘political correctness’ when they’re the ones prissily demanding speech conformity. Like throwing a tantrum every year because they can’t force everyone to use the same holiday greeting.

  266. 266.

    Corner Stone

    September 23, 2017 at 8:00 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    where Graham-Cassidy draws a big “really?” or “you’re overreacting”.

    Among news TV I really only watch MSNBC and skim CNN. But so far, both are blasting G-C health bill and covering Jimmy Kimmel and McCain’s “No” statement pretty thoroughly.
    Do you mean other venues?

  267. 267.

    Corner Stone

    September 23, 2017 at 8:02 pm

    @lamh36: They are (mainly) very cautious rich white guys who don’t want to alienate any white people – as those are the majority of people all the advertisers are trying to sell to.
    But you knew this, I am sure. Expecting courage from a rich white guy….

  268. 268.

    fuckwit

    September 23, 2017 at 8:02 pm

    @lamh36: Money talks, bullshit walks. To these guys, politics is bullshit. They only care about making stacks. They are not going to fire the stars who make them rich, as long as they keep making them rich.

  269. 269.

    rikyrah

    September 23, 2017 at 8:03 pm

    David Frum‏Verified account @davidfrum

    A great way to show respect for the flag is to refuse offers of clandestine election assistance from hostile foreign espionage agencies
    9:41 AM – 23 Sep 2017

  270. 270.

    Ruckus

    September 23, 2017 at 8:05 pm

    @J R in WV:
    Our rule said no denim. I did wear polo shirts in summer but in winter a long sleeve shirt was pretty normal in central OH. I once went to a funeral for a woman who worked with her husband for me at events. In central PA or as I believe many call it Pensultucky. Only three of us wore anything better than work clothes. And I mean blue collar work. The husband, the funeral home guy and me. We wore suits. I also owned my own tux to wear as needed at awards banquets. I just saw no need to dress up and work in an office that no one ever visited. It was pretentious at best. At events I had to wear black or blue pants and a shirt that weighed twice as much due to the embroidery. Professional sports was fun!. I said that for 11 years, trying to make myself believe it. Between the travel, the work inbetween events, the politics of the whole thing, the not so great pay, it didn’t work.

  271. 271.

    J R in WV

    September 23, 2017 at 8:11 pm

    @raven:

    Good friend of mine paid a shrink to tell his draft board he wasn’t fit for service in the military.

    Now, 45 years later, no telling how many lives he saved as an ER doc at a major hospital’s Trauma One ER for 30+ years. We went to anti-war demonstrations together a lot. When I got up against my draft status, my parents told me they knew people in Canada, I could enroll in school there, get a job there.

    I enlisted in the US Navy, instead. Didn’t really contribute to the Vietnam war effort at all, was assigned to the Navy’s last diesel sub squadron, in Key West. Horrible story. Did spend a miserable year in MS on the gulf coast. Ships launched across the coastal highway into the woods by Camille were still obvious when we were down there. Visited NOLA some too. But the Gulf Coast in summer, working 10-12 hour shifts of hard physical labor, that nearly ruined me. Summer is still hard on me, these 40+ years later on.

    I hope lots of those guys kneel, to me that’s as American as apple pie, which I don’t really care for that much. And Colin deserves to be starting for one of these teams that can’t win a game with the dead armed QB they have now. And Trump sucks. ‘nough said!

  272. 272.

    Elizabelle

    September 23, 2017 at 8:12 pm

    @Corner Stone: That is heartening to know, about the cable channels. I don’t watch them much, but have noticed them talking about Kimmel when channel surfing.

    You guys have reassured me that I might be overgeneralizing from my own small IRL contingent.

  273. 273.

    Redshift

    September 23, 2017 at 8:16 pm

    @satby: Thanks!

  274. 274.

    Mnemosyne

    September 23, 2017 at 8:17 pm

    Cheryl Rofer posted a link to the statement from the Golden State Warriors in Betty’s morning thread — I didn’t realize that THE WHOLE TEAM is now refusing to meet with Trump.

    That’s what I call good sportsmanship!

  275. 275.

    Ruckus

    September 23, 2017 at 8:18 pm

    @BC in Illinois:

    “Yes, that’s PRECISELY what I want my service to this country to mean.” They kneel / stand / march / speak — as Americans — to make this country more of what it should be.

    Perfect.
    The only problem is that those who complain that we complain don’t want there to be positive change. They want us to go away. They’ve been told repeatedly and forcefully that the world should be white, that it should be women seen and not heard, that everything that has happened since FDR and Truman integrated the military and that traitor Lee lost the war of independence is what has caused all their problems. They fail to realize that their problems are internal, and couldn’t admit it if they did realize it. I don’t know what they are but they really aren’t Americans. They have to wave the flag and talk about punishing people for actually reading and understanding the documents that forms our goals as a country. But they really are traitors to those goals that were laid out over 200 yrs ago.

  276. 276.

    J R in WV

    September 23, 2017 at 8:19 pm

    @NotMax:

    That’s good. Mine had a pipeline to the draft board.

    My boss when I retired in 2008 was a member of the county draft board. It’s still out there, just in case someone attacks us, or Trump starts a couple more wars than we can afford. They keep a low profile since about 1975.

  277. 277.

    schrodingers_cat

    September 23, 2017 at 8:24 pm

    @Ruckus: Well I do wear other types of clothes, but among jeans Levis are my favorites. Can’t go wrong with a classic.

  278. 278.

    J R in WV

    September 23, 2017 at 8:27 pm

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:

    Every so often someone learns that I am a vet, and says “thank you for your service”. I usually just say “Well, you’re welcome.” but what I always want to do is go off on a rant about draft boards and phony wars.

    Like Iraq, invading the country in the mid-east that had the least to do with 9/11, how chicken-shit was that? And a million people dead, wars still all over that part of the world. You’re welcome, though. I volunteered at the point of a gun, really, like so many boys. And the inductees that day, mostly being drafted, we were way outnumbered by trained combat marines, just in case.

  279. 279.

    Ruckus

    September 23, 2017 at 8:31 pm

    @Mnemosyne:
    Read the comments if you want to be disappointed. I particularly liked the one from the guy who said everyone should have to serve two years in the military. This from a very young guy too big to fit in any military uniform I’ve ever seen. And I don’t mean too tall.

  280. 280.

    NorthLeft12

    September 23, 2017 at 8:32 pm

    @lamh36: Shannon Sharpe’s response to an idiot on Twitter impressed the hell out of me;

    @ShannonSharpe
    You liked what I did ,not who I am. DIFFERENCE

    Reminds me of people who become big fans of actors based on the roles that they play, and somehow convince themselves that these actors are just like the characters they play. Kudos to Mr. Sharpe for recognizing the difference.

  281. 281.

    mainmata

    September 23, 2017 at 8:35 pm

    @Betty Cracker: I read that his wife severely objected to his going to Trump’s WH even though he himself is a big time Trumper. Think there’s a family disagreement.

  282. 282.

    NorthLeft12

    September 23, 2017 at 8:37 pm

    @Ruckus:

    But they really are traitors to those goals that were laid out over 200 yrs ago.

    THIS^^^. But unfortunately, they will never understand that, or be told that by the leaders that they follow.

  283. 283.

    Ruckus

    September 23, 2017 at 8:38 pm

    @J R in WV:
    I’ve been told that and I almost always ask if they served. Never had a positive response. I’ve thought of thanking them for not serving but that seems a bit, I don’t know. I have told people they didn’t need to thank me, I got paid to serve and that them thanking me 40+ yrs late seems to be less than genuine. Or that continuing to send people off to shit stupid wars in the name of something, something doesn’t really give me a warm and fuzzy feeling.

  284. 284.

    Ruckus

    September 23, 2017 at 8:40 pm

    @NorthLeft12:
    Did you mean their traitorous leaders?

  285. 285.

    mainmata

    September 23, 2017 at 8:42 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: That’s what I worry about. Trump is incompetent, lazy and stupid. Someone on the right who’s a lot smarter is going to learn the necessary lessons to becoming a true autocrat. It’s just a question of whether there are enough people of good judgment to prevent that from happening.

  286. 286.

    delk

    September 23, 2017 at 8:43 pm

    To Donald Trump by Leland Melvin, former NASA Astronaut and NFL Player

  287. 287.

    J R in WV

    September 23, 2017 at 8:46 pm

    @Redshift:

    I think you can be sure that nearly everyone here a B-J is with you on your illness and treatment. Hang in there, best of luck from WV!

  288. 288.

    Just One More Canuck

    September 23, 2017 at 8:47 pm

    @NotMax: I know a little German

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI5vrVmJO0Q

  289. 289.

    Ruckus

    September 23, 2017 at 8:48 pm

    @delk:
    Nice.

  290. 290.

    Gretchen

    September 23, 2017 at 8:49 pm

    @HeleninEire: My grandfather was born in Ireland but before independence so he was a British subject. I have his citizenship papers renouncing his allegiance to Queen Victoria. So I don’t think I qualify.

  291. 291.

    Corner Stone

    September 23, 2017 at 9:03 pm

    @Just One More Canuck: One of the most criminally underrated comedies of modern times.

  292. 292.

    J R in WV

    September 23, 2017 at 9:04 pm

    @Ruckus:

    Yes, all that you say. I think we could have a drink together without coming to blows. Even argue politics politely, perhaps. ;-)

  293. 293.

    PaulWartenberg

    September 23, 2017 at 9:05 pm

    trump is still bemoaning the fact that his attempt to bully the NFL into merging his USFL team into their league back in the 1980s didn’t pan out… during which he killed off the entire USFL in the process.

    I can’t believe even one sports owner wants anything to do with this guy, personally or politically. they’ve seen the damage he can do.

  294. 294.

    Citizen Alan

    September 23, 2017 at 9:07 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Hell, in the fight for Haitian Independence back in 1804, we sided with the French oppressors. Ain’t nothing new about America being a nation of raging hypocrites where the freedoms of non-whites are concerned.

  295. 295.

    Steve in the ATL

    September 23, 2017 at 9:31 pm

    @PaulWartenberg:

    I can’t believe even one sports owner wants anything to do with this guy, personally or politically

    (1) They are assholes, and (2) they want their tax cuts

  296. 296.

    Ruckus

    September 23, 2017 at 9:33 pm

    @J R in WV:
    I’m sure we could, although mine would be a soft drink. Hope you wouldn’t be offended at that.

  297. 297.

    Ruckus

    September 23, 2017 at 9:37 pm

    @Steve in the ATL:
    I’m sure you are correct about their character and their desire for more money, more money…….
    But they know how much drumpf can cost people with his stupidity, bluster and bullshit. Look at anyone who has done business with him before. They all regret it, usually sooner than later.

  298. 298.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym

    September 23, 2017 at 9:52 pm

    @lamh36:

    the fine print “…but my players bettta NOT #TakeAKnee”

    That’s a misrepresentation of what Dolphins’ owner Stephen Ross said.

    Our country needs unifying leadership right now, not more divisiveness. We need to seek to understand each other and have civil discourse instead of condemnation and sound bites. I know our players who kneeled for the anthem and these are smart young men of character who want to make our world a better place for everyone. They wanted to start a conversation and are making a difference in our community, including working with law enforcement to bring people together. We all can benefit from learning, listening and respecting each other. Sports is a common denominator in our world. We all have the responsibility to use this platform to promote understanding, respect and equality.

  299. 299.

    Matt McIrvin

    September 23, 2017 at 10:01 pm

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:

    How I always view it: The Office is bigger than the person occupying it. The Office of POTUS has a lot of built up prestige that has been accumulated by past POTUSs. That can’t be that easily wiped away. Not even by Trumpenstein.

    On some level I kind of hope he has permanently damaged the prestige of the office. We could do with a little less monarchy in this country, a little less respect for the Maximum Leader. Maybe having a total ass in the office embarrassing the whole country is a way to do it. The possibility that was worrying me was that the aura surrounding the presidency would rub off on Trump and make people respect him by default no matter what he did.

  300. 300.

    Duane

    September 23, 2017 at 10:06 pm

    @Redshift:Thank you for Warner’s email link.

  301. 301.

    J R in WV

    September 23, 2017 at 10:09 pm

    @Ruckus:

    NO, no, not at all. Pretty easygoing, really. No Trump boosters, that’s about all.

  302. 302.

    GeoHayduke

    September 23, 2017 at 10:20 pm

    @NorthLeft12:

    Obama was saying (paraphrasing) “think about how others might Feel”

  303. 303.

    Captain C

    September 23, 2017 at 11:20 pm

    @Spaniel: and then he went on Howard Stern and declared that dating in NYC in the ’70s was his “personal Vieynam.”

  304. 304.

    different-church-lady

    September 23, 2017 at 11:39 pm

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:

    And I doubt he’s man enough to call any of those players a son of a bitch to their face…

    Man enough, no. But crazy enough?

  305. 305.

    Ruckus

    September 24, 2017 at 12:23 am

    @J R in WV:
    The only drumpf booster I’d like to see is a Saturn V to the sun. That would give him a very needed boost.

  306. 306.

    Xenos

    September 24, 2017 at 2:30 am

    @HeleninEire: Ireland has been guilty of some tax shenanigans that have been caused, er, negative externalities for rest of Europe and the US.

    As someone in working in the financial services in Luxembourg I am perhaps lacking in moral authority to criticise Ireland, but lets not get too proud here. Still, living in a society that has a basic social commitment to all its residents is very nice. Here a lot of it arises from a specifically Catholic ideology of social solidarity — the Irish may follow a similar doctrine, or sentiment, at least.

  307. 307.

    Kathleen

    September 24, 2017 at 7:32 am

    @satby: I’m old and slow, but cagey.

  308. 308.

    LanceThruster

    September 24, 2017 at 8:13 am

    Heckuva job, DNC.

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