Complain all you want about Hillary’s campaign but if not for the private email bullshit that the Times and others got a strange hard-on for she’d be president right now. Well…..
Presidential son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner has corresponded with other administration officials about White House matters through a private email account set up during the transition last December, part of a larger pattern of Trump administration aides using personal email accounts for government business.
germy
Is the NYTimes reporting this?
WaterGirl
To the surprise of no one.
Doug!
@germy:
No, Politico
Scott S.
Media: “Well, clearly, we were in the wrong, so we’re giving everyone a pass on using private email now.”
germy
@Doug!: I saw the Politico link; I was just wondering whether the NYTimes would consider it All The News That’s Fit To Print, or if they’d pass.
Baud
It was always a scam to fool the rubes. I’m glad there’s more proof, but I don’t need it.
Baud
I blame Hillary Clinton for setting a bad precedent.
Ruckus
Do what we say, not what we do.
People like the drumpfs would freak out completely if we did what they do instead of what they say we should. It’s wrong for us, because it’s OK for them.
Of course he uses a private email server. He’s allowed because of who he thinks he is, rather than the little fucking twerp that he actually is. The old time saying is “He thinks his shit doesn’t stink.” What he doesn’t understand is everything about him stinks because he’s full of shit.
Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD)
@germy: Here’s a question: Have Lichtblau; Pinch, Baquet et al. given an explanation for that late-October “nothing to see here” load of horseshit? Literally the only consolation is that his ouster from CNN might have killed Eric’s career.
germy
@Baud:
(WaPo)
Baud
I mean, Trump is still chanting “Lock her up” even as she’s flying around free as a bird right now. It’s not like it’s all that hard to fool people.
germy
@Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD): Good question.
rikyrah
uh huh
Baud
@germy: Do you have his quote in context? Don’t trust media framing.
germy
@Baud:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/09/24/hillary-clinton-blames-many-things-for-her-loss-george-clooney-blames-her-frustrating-speeches/?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories_fix-clooney-1155am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.378a8ad942f4
MattF
Not a surprise that the trumpers do exactly what they accused Hill of doing. In fact, there’s a word for it. Actually, I can think of several words for it. May we lock them up now?
efgoldman
@rikyrah: tl;dr
Major Major Major Major
@germy: she isn’t. She even acknowledges this. Repeatedly. For years. ?
@Baud: yeah, it smacks of a set-up like that.
Baud
@germy:
@Baud:
Found it. Basically, he says she wasn’t good at speechifying.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/george-clooney-opens-up-about-why-hillary-clinton-lost-i-never-saw-her-elevate-her-game
Lulymay
@germy:
And did the Russian friends of the wonderkid, Jared, have access to said e-mail?
Thoughts, anyone?
germy
rikyrah
Tea Pain @TeaPainUSA
Black folks just can’t seem to find a way to protest that is acceptable to white supremacists. #TakeTheKnee
12:06 PM – 24 Sep 2017
Baud
@Major Major Major Major:
Media is still doing the thing that cost us the election.
debbie
@germy
Good, I hope their heads explode.
germy
@rikyrah: I know, right?
Most respectful protest ever. It’s not like they’re raising their middle fingers, for god’s sake.
It’s almost like they’re kneeling to pray for their country and victims of violence. Dignified and beautiful protest.
Elizabelle
@Baud: Le sigh.
Maybe Clooney will eat his words as Mueller files his charges. Also, I suspect Hillary did win, for all her being bad at speechifying. I think Trump is an illegitimate president, and I would love it if Mueller’s investigators starting finding evidence of that as they pull threads.
The press fucking hates Hillary Clinton. Full stop. What the NY Times did was the worst thing I’ve EVER seen them do (fuck Dean Baquet and Pinch and their stable of crackpot writers). Judith Miller and Jayson Blair vs. destroying the Democratic candidate when you have a fascist aiming for the office, with unlimited free publicity.
Fuck the fucking NY Times. They gave cover to those who wanted to assassinate Clinton, electorally.
germy
@debbie: I admit the video made me choke up a bit. Elevated the song, in my opinion. Elton and Bernie seemed to agree.
Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady)
Is there any reporting on how fans reacted to the widespread protest on the field today?
Major Major Major Major
@Baud: @Elizabelle: I don’t see why we have to be upset about this. Hillary herself has acknowledged that she’s not an amazing speaker for years.
Ruckus
@debbie:
Would that it were.
I’ll even help clean up the mess. I’m not proud.
Baud
@Major Major Major Major: She’s not as good as Reagan, Bill, or Obama. But she was fine. Focusing on this is essentially chastising her for not being more extraordinary.
Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD)
@germy: “Hired by CNN” is the “kicked upstairs” of the 2010s, but is it also the graveyard of journamalists?
Teddys Person
@Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady): I read a couple of things on twitter that there were some boos and some yelling “stand up.” Here’s a bunch of tweets posted at Mother Jones.
germy
@Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD): Rather high-paying graveyard.
Whenever I find myself laughing at one of these jamokes, I remember they make more dough than I’ll ever see in my lifetime.
WaterGirl
@efgoldman: It was worth the read.
khead
@efgoldman:
Dan Rather woke up this morning and discovered that – for a large chunk of the electorate – it is now 1972 and “All in the Family” is the #1 show.
WaterGirl
@rikyrah:
Isn’t that the truth.
Major Major Major Major
@Baud: She was fine, yes, nothing more and nothing less.
Are we focusing on this? I’m not. ETA if you asked her about the interview she’d probably refer you from memory to the points in her book where she says exactly that.
Ruckus
@Baud:
I think she is better than Ronnie or Bill. Because she doesn’t focus on soaring words or dramatics. She talks about real issues. She doesn’t sound symbolic, she sounds real. President Obama can soar but he doesn’t try to be dramatic, he also talked about real issues, their effects and problems. She told us what we needed to hear, not what we thought we wanted to hear. I wasn’t interviewing for the president of the toastmasters, I was interviewing for the president of my country. I want to know real issues, not soaring platitudes and dramatics or just plain bullshit.
Baud
@Major Major Major Major: Not us. But of all the important points Clooney could have made in his two paragraph answer, why as that one that needed to be made?
Look, not a big deal. His answer clearly wasn’t as bad as the media is playing it to be.
Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady)
@Teddys Person: Thanks for the link. It doesn’t sound like fans were as united as players were.
Omnes Omnibus
@Ruckus: Bill’s speeches were often criticized as being lists of things he wanted to do and why rather than being Ronnie’s “soaring” rhetoric.
Baud
@Major Major Major Major: With respect to her book, that’s a book. She had space to delve into that. Different context.
Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD)
@germy: someone arrange a rescue mission for Anderson & Kamau
Baud
@Ruckus: I understand. But I don’t think most people would see it that way. In terms of rhetorical skill as opposed to substance, those others were better IMHO.
Mary G
This big, whiny baby:
Lock ’em all up!
Ruckus
@rikyrah:
I want to say something like fuck the white racists but @germy: said it far better. And nicer.
tobie
Can anyone think of any female politician who is a charismatic speaker in a large stadium? The only name I can come up with is Michelle Obama. Literally that’s it. Am I missing someone obvious? Elizabeth Warren ad Nancy Pelosi are not good at addressing crowds. I’ve seen Kamala Harris in person and can confirm that she’s no good at it either. Sarah Palin had a million and one problems modulating her voice. I mention all these names because I fear that almost every female politician will be criticized for being a poor speaker. And, really, was Trump any good at this or did he just give his crowds license to hate?
germy
@Mary G: It all goes back to “ratings” with this dotard.
Vor
I saw Katy Tur try to explain the focus on emails. Can’t remember where I saw this. In effect, she said emails was the only flaw w Clinton so they talked about it. Trump had so many scandals and they were constantly changing so they didn’t have an easy handle and nothing got covered in depth. In effect, Trump used the Gish Gallop on his scandals.
Baud
@tobie: The Obamas really are gifted in that respect.
germy
@Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD): I was really glad to see Kamau win his Emmy.
Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady)
@Mary G: That is hilarious. Who knew he was just talking about a lexicon of acceptable and unacceptable protest gestures.
Baud
@Vor: Thus acknowledging the iron rule of both sides.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: One thing Hillary mentions in her book is that in the early days of her campaign she worked with a voice coach.
Major Major Major Major
@Baud: right but bundled in my answer is that she doesn’t care either. And I agree that Clooney’s two paragraphs sucked, though I was more galled by his (probably correct) assumption that he had to preemptively defend himself for supporting her in the primary.
Mary G
@Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady): I know. Doesn’t it remind you of every sore loser on the kindergarten playground claiming the rules he just made up mean he wins the game?
efgoldman
@Ruckus:
Why the fuck would you want to be “nice”?
The racist, fascist. mouth breathing assholes certainly aren’t.
There’s nothing “nice” about being satisfied because you have a coat hanger and the ni[clang!] under the bridge with you, doesn’t .
Fuckem
efgoldman
@germy:
And then, of course, he gets the “facts” wrong; pulls whole cloth out of his ample ass.
Baud
@Major Major Major Major: Right. I’m curious about his “liberal friends.”
I find it fascinating our side’s focus on great orators while simultaneously arguing is all about getting a sufficiently progressive policy.
hueyplong
Difficult to think of a better strategic move for us than Trump digging in and then continuing to keep digging in against sports stars.
Makes the racism crystal clear, even to dim bulbs; keeps him away from health care, North Korea, tax goodies for billionaires. Get it to where only hockey teams, Klan members, and process servers will set foot in the White House.
Major Major Major Major
@Baud: it’s almost like they’re not very careful at this whole thinking thing.
ETA: sorry, some evil ‘boardroom liberalism’ slipped out there, or perhaps it was ivory tower snobbery that’s out of touch with Tim Ryan’s constituents.
Ruckus
@Baud:
But that’s exactly the point. I don’t care that speeches move people, drumpf moved people (in the wrong fucking direction of course), when I interview someone for a job, I don’t want to hear fire and bullshit, I want to hear what they know, what they plan to do with the job, how will they be the best whatever that I’m hiring. I’m not saying Bill was bad, but he goes for soaring, almost like he didn’t believe it. Ronnie went for the dramatic, the flair because that was Ronnie. If you aren’t paying attention then soaring/dramatic are fine. But that is not leadership, that’s bullshit. I’ve met a few good leaders in my time and every one of them gave me competence not flair, not bullshit. That is a big tell that they can lead, not that they can stand on a street corner and ask someone else watching a parade, “Where are they going, those are my people, I must find out where they are going, so I can lead them.”
Clinton gave us competence. That is far, far more important than flair, and soaring bullshit.
Baud
@Major Major Major Major: I forgive you.
Baud
@Ruckus: I hear you. What I’m saying is that you are better than most people.
Ladyraxterinok
@germy: Have long wondered why there’s no constant emphasis on the symbolism of ‘kneeling in prayer.’
Of course noting this symbolism destroys the justification for white anger
Major Major Major Major
@Baud: @Ruckus: yeah, bullshit sells. Case in point, the people you listed have all been president.
Ruckus
@tobie:
It’s how you are conditioned to listen, what you expect. We’ve heard men speak for ever. Few women have every had the chance to speak to a country in this fashion at least in the US. I’d expect them to have a different voice, because most of them do.
63 million people thought she sounded just fine. Some of us thought she sounded better than that.
Gelfling 545
@Baud: I blame the voters for seating a bad president.
Teddys Person
@Ruckus: Well said!
Ruckus
@efgoldman:
LOL
Just being nice to you commenters. I won’t let it happen again.
Fuckem.
Aimai
@Major Major Major Major: because its irrelevant to her loss. Men win the presidency all the time while having flaws or making mistakes. Its wring to attribute HRC’s loss to any one thing when misogyny, russians, and voter suppression played a much more important role.
Ladyraxterinok
@germy: Have long wondered why there’s no constant emphasis on the symbolism of ‘kneeling in prayer.’
Of course noting this symbolism destroys the justification for white anger
@Elizabelle: Isn’t there a backstory of NYT editors/publisher/owner vendetta vs Bill and by extension all Clintons going back to his political career in Arkansas?
Major Major Major Major
@Ruckus: it is funny how Clooney started off talking about sexist double standards and then kinda went straight into one. What exemplars of soaring political rhetoric from American women do we even have? Michelle Obama, Ann Richards?
ETA ‘soaring’ in the sense that’s been established by male politicians
Omnes Omnibus
@Major Major Major Major: Drunk Jennifer Granholm.
Ruckus
@Baud:
Well I’ve got that gong for me at least.
Tried all my life to be the better person, not every minute of every day, for fucks sakes what do you think I am, perfect? First time I ever actually succeeded.
germy
@Major Major Major Major: If Hillary had been a master of soaring political rhetoric; if she’d brought crowds to tears, the villagers would have accused her of being “all show”
efgoldman
@Major Major Major Major:
The late congresswoman Barbara Jordan. I never heard of her before the house Watergate hearings, but i would have listened to her read the phone book.
Ruckus
@germy:
This.
BTW EFG says I can’t be nice any more. Sorry. Have to listen to the boss.
zhena gogolia
@Omnes Omnibus:
I loved that.
Teddys Person
@germy: I think they used to criticize Barack about that when they weren’t obsessed over teleprompters.
zhena gogolia
@germy:
Yep.
Omnes Omnibus
@Ruckus: Fuck efg.
trollhattan
@Omnes Omnibus:
Heh, true enough. I’ll add Alison Lundergan Grimes and possibly my main crush, Kirsten Gillibrand–especially if she works in two “fucks.”
beergoggles
If it weren’t for Comey, she’d be president now. Blame Obama for always over-reaching across the isle and screw the liberals who suddenly decided Comey was a hero the moment he pissed off Trump.
zhena gogolia
@Teddys Person:
Oh, yeah. They claimed he said he was going to stop the oceans from rising.
Omnes Omnibus
@zhena gogolia: Canute?
tobie
@Ruckus:
Good point.
Elizabelle
Gonna head out in a few, but popping in this link, because it seems related to Mr. Clooney’s comments.
James Fallows: Why Hillary Clinton’s Book is Worth Reading From The Atlantic.
He ends with:
zhena gogolia
@Omnes Omnibus:
Naw, Obama! He said something in his election night speech in 2008 about how “we” were going to fight to stop the oceans from rising. The NYT and co. had that as Obama saying he would stop the oceans from rising, before you could turn around. It was something like Al Gore inventing the internet.
Ruckus
@efgoldman:
Great example.
Elizabelle
@Ladyraxterinok: If you can find a link to the backstory WRT the FTF NYT, I would read it.
I kinda agree with JR in WV though. The NYT’s political coverage has gotten so bizarre — over the past 18 months — that I wonder if there’s more behind the scenes. The new Mexican gazillionaire owner insisting on a manner of coverage. Or actual blackmail.
Can this all be merely Executive Editor Dean Bacquet? I don’t think so. But their publisher could be crazy ass.
I keep my NYT sub, but have been thinking of asking them for a 50% discount since I don’t read the political coverage anymore.
debbie
@Baud:
Despite his other faults, Ted Kennedy was a very good speaker.
Ruckus
@Omnes Omnibus:
Not my style.
Besides as I said, the boss has spoken, respect the boss.
Elizabelle
The press covers Republicans and Democrats quite differently.
Teddys Person
@zhena gogolia: Seriously, because gods forbid a Democrat phrases something a little inartfully. Meanwhile, Republicans can verbally shit all over themselves and all’s good.
ETA: or what Elizabelle said (#95)
Omnes Omnibus
@Ruckus: He ain’t the boss of me.
trollhattan
@debbie:
Ted was always in the shadow of his brothers and on that topic, Bobby’s speech the night of MLK’s assassination is one of the most compelling in American history.
rikyrah
Steve Kerr is NOT here for Dolt45’s bullshyt.
Dave ZirinVerified account @EdgeofSports
Steve Kerr with the stiletto between the ribs.
https://twitter.com/EdgeofSports/status/911983951035629568
Ruckus
@Elizabelle:
I’m going to give this a vote for understatement of the year.
But really what should we expect? When all we had was newspapers, they all had a political point of view and gave us information that we couldn’t easily refute. That is vastly different now that electronics have become so entrenched in our lives. We can almost instantly share our thoughts and BS with people around the world, like we are here. We can watch a speech and hear and see what happened. Who was it the other day who said he watched a speech and less than 5 minutes later a TV person said the words had been exactly the opposite to what he’d just watched? Our problem is that people expect news and “analysis” to be truthful. It never has been, why should it be that now?
trollhattan
@rikyrah:
Nice, really nicely done. Kerr and Pop are my favorite NBA coaches when it comes to maneuvering the political waters.
Ruckus
@Omnes Omnibus:
Careful what you say, you never know what will piss him off. Or what he will do about it.
Omnes Omnibus
Fuck!
Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady)
@trollhattan: That speech floored me. The man quoted Aeschylus from memory. He conveyed empathy and humility and grief.
Haroldo
@Omnes Omnibus: Ditto. This seems to be a team in free-fall.
Teddys Person
@rikyrah: I don’t know who Steve Kerr is, but I like the cut of his jib.
Omnes Omnibus
@Haroldo: I won’t go that far yet.
Roger Moore
@Baud:
It’s also effectively crediting the RWNM for distorting everything she said, because that’s the main reason her speeches didn’t come off well. They were fine to the people who listened to them in real time, but they weren’t nearly as good to people who only heard the distorted, out of context snippets that were most of what wound up in the media.
schrodingers_cat
@germy: George Clooney can shut the fuck up. T is a horrible speaker, case closed.
J R in WV
@Ruckus:
That was me, and I was talking about Andrea Mitchell Greenspan covering the DEmocratic National Convention. She lied every time her mouth was moving. About things I had just watched.
It was like she forgot the people at home were able to hear the speakers, to watch the stage, themselves, and thought she could define reality to slant conservative all by herself.
It was also despicable, and I haven’t watched more than a couple of minutes of NBS news since. If they were to fire her for cause, I would consider watching them, if there was no other broadcast news available.
Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho
I wish I could remember where I saw this on twitter, but the gist was:
Trump tweeted 10 times about the NFL
0 times about Puerto Rico (where 3.5 million US citizens lack power)
I have 2 friends who live here and I officiated their US wedding; their families there have neither water nor power. And some of them had to be rescued from severely flooded houses. But the DOTUS can only bitch about NFL players protesting human rights violation. He should be sending US groups to help, but he’s in a twitter spat with the NFL, which has some players who’ve disrespected him.
ArchTeryx
@germy: And they never, ever will have to worry about health insurance. Neither do the Republican jamokes in Congress or their families. They all can be monsters to their heart’s content, and they and theirs will never go wanting or have to make impossible decisions.
Fuck the lot of them.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
Pivot
efgoldman
@Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho:
He doesn’t know where Puerto Rico is, or that the people who live there are US citizens, or that anything has happened to them. They are non-entities to him, as are the millions of people (including tens of thousands of American military and civilians) who will be wiped out by war on the Korean peninsula.
Carolina Dave
@J R in WV: exactly right. I had cut the cord months earlier mainly because of MSNBC and their BS. I was on vacation during the convention with some good Massachusetts liberals and we watched too much.
lgerard
When Tim Tebow was kneeling in the NFL it was good though!
Ruckus
@J R in WV:
Thanks.
I don’t watch TV at all, because really, why? It’s like buying the NYT, it’s available here, or I could read it online but why bother, why give them a dime. It’s crap, not even worth free electrons. I’m not less informed but less misinformed.
J R in WV
A good point here. Why don’t we hear about the USN sending ships to Puerto Rico, the Air Force sending in C-130s loaded with generator sets, MREs and bottled water, or even better, water purification kits, those filters that take out even virii along with bacteria. We’re the greatest country on Earth, why are our people still suffering alone on their tropical island, once a paradise, now a prison???
FEMA doesn’t work there? The Military doesn’t sail there, the Air Force doesn’t fly there? There should be a constant stream of ships and aircraft landing there, the first ones with high-water trucks and heavy equipment, followed by kitchens, medical units, clothing, tools, supplies, tents and bunks, everything.
Or has all that equipment been wasted in Iraq and other such foreign wastelands? Do we not do that in the military any more, is that all on “contractors” in todays Military????
Haroldo
@Omnes Omnibus: Ya reckon? Get a semblance of a healthy offensive line, and I’ll back off the chicken little impersonation. Until then…….
ArchTeryx
@lgerard: It’s ALWAYS okay if you’re a Republican.
burnspbesq
@rikyrah:
That burns even brighter given Steve Kerr’s back-story.
Omnes Omnibus
@Haroldo: They need Bahktiari and Daniels back. Soon.
WaterGirl
@trollhattan: I thought of his quote from that speech the night that Trump was elected:
SFAW
@Elizabelle:
Re: the FTFNYT:
I’ve noted her a few times that Arthur “Pinch” Sulzberger — the current publisher, and son of Arthur “Punch” Sulzberger (who had a bit more integrity than his asshole son) — became publisher in 1992. Interestingly enough, the FTFNYT seemed to decide, in 1992, that Bill Clinton was not worthy of the office to which he would be elected. It seems that the FTFNYT also decided that Hillary was also corrupt (because they were both involved in Whitewater, and apparently they had James McDougal murdered, and Vince Foster and Jesus and the Smurfs and arglebargle).
Pinch is still the publisher, and the FTFNYT is still treating Hillary like she’s the most evillest corruptest evillest murderousest evillest woman EVAH!!! Did I mention evil?
And the Editor gets his/her marching orders from the publisher, I believe. (Although the journalists here might tell me I’m wrong, in which case my apologies for th ebad assumption.)
Anyway, fuck Pinch and FTFNYT.
schrodingers_cat
@SFAW: They did cover Gore and Kerry pretty horribly too. And during the Obama years, every headline was a different version of how has Obama failed you today.
Ruckus
@SFAW:
It is his paper, he can say whatever he wants. We are free to ignore his bigoted republican ass whenever we want. Or to call him that.
zhena gogolia
@rikyrah:
Amazing how much more articulate this basketball coach is than the POTUS. Wish he were prez.
Major Major Major Major
@schrodingers_cat: I always think of a joke Jon Stewart did about how if Obama gave everybody cookies the NYT front page would read DEMOCRATS LEAVE MILLIONS MILKLESS
raven
Anyone have any experience with Laryngeal Paralysis and Arytenoid Tie Back for their critter(s)?
Baud
@schrodingers_cat: Right. Hillary was simply the same shit on steroids.
gbbalto
@J R in WV: Seems to be very hard to get news about relief efforts, including from PR itself. Saw a story today (can’t recall where) that gave some details about the kinds of assistance that you mention arriving, and PR officials noting that there was good coordination with FEMA, etc. I have no idea whether the response is anywhere near what is needed or what could be offered.
I don’t see the longer term issues being thought about at all. I can’t see how PR and the USVI can endure months without power. How can people earn money – especially with the tourist industry gone? Businesses and people can’t possibly survive that long without $$$ assistance. A lot of people will have to move to the mainland indefinitely.
ETA: PR and its power utility were broke before this happened.
SFAW
@schrodingers_cat:
Yeah, I know. I think their motto, since 1992, has been “Comfort the comfortable and afflict the afflicted.” Fucking Pinch, that fuck has pretty much destroyed any semblance of integrity there.
@Ruckus:
We already do (in a manner of speaking). I’m more concerned about the less-politically-aware who take what the FTFNYT writes as Gospel. It’s not as bad as Faux and their bots, but they’re not as far from Fux as they might think.
Arclite
Hey, Kushner’s email server wasn’t in his basement. We know that’s the key difference between it being secure or not.
J R in WV
@SFAW:
The Publisher HIRES the senior editors, and fires them too.
Unless there is a specific contractual arrangement to the contrary, which does happen but rarely in special circumstances. In my home town the publisher was a Democrat, and the Democratic publisher undertook to not interfere with the editorial policy of his Republican paper. Perhaps a unique circumstance, and not at all what happens at the FNTY.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
remember a month or so ago how the wingnuts were furious at Google for firing someone who wrote women techies have cooties. They insisted no one should be fired for their views.
That aged well.
Mike J
@Arclite: It’s secure because the Russians are already sending and receiving the emails on that system. No need to hack it if you’re cc’ed.
Baud
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: I’m beginning to believe they are unprincipled.
Patricia Kayden
@germy:
They should be deluged with this question. For real though.
sukabi
@Arclite: Kushner’s email server is secure…it’s setup on a Russian server, in a Russian embassy.
That was his plan anyway.
Baud
@Patricia Kayden: The NYT is too busy vetting Trump right now to focus on something as frivolous as emails.
A Ghost to Most
@Arclite: Jared’s email server is probably in the basement of the Russian counselate
Eta sukabi beat me there.
J R in WV
@gbbalto:
Yes, there’s 3 million people without everything in Puerto Rico, and a few tens of thousands in the US Virgin Islands to boot. I haven’t seen news about relief efforts, hope my inclination to expect the worst is all wrong.
I did see that the huge Radio Telescope at Aricibo is perhaps fatally damaged, the antenna fell through the dish during the storm. That’s bad for science, and the researchers who took refuge there.
Major Major Major Major
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: that google guy tweeted some real stupid shit the other day, you can google it if you’re feeling masochistic.
Baud
@J R in WV: I saw a piece on NBC news about PR. It was talking about some of the difficulties. Nothing overly political or critical.
Baud
Remember when the Republic was in trouble because there was talk that the Dems would pass Obamacare using deem and pass.
sukabi
Here’s a Google link to Puerto news
And here’s a link to how to help
J R in WV
102K people in the US Virgin Islands, less people who already fled before the storm.
Patricia Kayden
@Scott S.: Until we can target another Democratic candidate and then we will go hog wild with our criticisms of the use of private email servers. Only Republicans get a pass.
Mary G
FEMA’s last statement re PR & USVI is here. Three days old.
30 generators aren’t going to go very far.
Patricia Kayden
@Baud: I wish you were joking but …
Huge sigh.
gbbalto
@sukabi: Thanks – should have thought of that. Was trying to get PR local news.
ETA: It was the ABC News story that I saw.
TS
@Teddys Person:
Seems it became 100% OK to use teleprompters after the black guy left the white house
James Powell
Since the Reagan days the NYT has gone out of its way to show the RW world that they are not really all that liberal. No matter what they do, the RWers still hate them because they are told to hate them.
But that doesn’t explain the NYT 20+ year campaign to smear the Clintons with bullshit scandals like Whitewater & Emails. There are people there who apparently hate the Clintons, believe the Clintons to be evil, and they no doubt justify their horrible treatment of them as necessary to save the country from them. This is even more bizarre when we consider that the Clintons are not radicals, but generic centrist Democrats with Ivy League pedigrees.
It is strange to me that no one has taken this right to the NYT and demanded answers. Somebody with power ought to have done so prior to letting them slime Hillary for all of 2016. We ordinary people are shushed and shoved to the side by the Maggie Habermans and Lyz Spayds. We are nothing to them.
Seanly
@germy:
That was a beautiful video for a great song.
As ever, fuck Trump.
geg6
@Ruckus:
Then you are missing the New Golden Age of TV, an appellation with which I agree. TV today is vastly better than it’s ever been and completely outshines most of the crap people pay outrageous amounts to see in theaters.
Now, I won’t argue that TV news, especially cable news is total garbage (with a few exceptions). But there are dozens of places to get news and, personally, I want to see what your average, non-political junkie but voting average American sees. So I watch the local news and one network evening newscast, CBS. I’ll check CNN in national emergencies and MSNBC for Rachel and, sometimes, O’Donnell. But TV in general is awesome and I resent the implication that those who so self-righteously proclaim that they never watch it are making about the r st of us. That doesn’t make you a better person and you are cutting off your nose to spite your face because you miss a lot. This is why liberals and lefties can’t have nice things.
efgoldman
@James Powell:
Tom Levenson did. He got bupkiss
Baud
The NYT is making money with Trump. We have no power over them.
schrodingers_cat
@geg6: I only get Fox and ABC and 4 PBS channels but I do watch TV shows using streaming services etc. I always had cable, but then moved to a town with no cable and no internet. I have since moved but just haven’t restarted my cable service. My initial break from cable was out of necessity but now I don’t miss it much.
schrodingers_cat
@Baud: Most Vichy Times readers/advertizers are totebaggers who love their tax cuts is my guess.
japa21
Is Omnes around, or is he too busy screaming in celebration.
schrodingers_cat
It was 92 degrees here in western MA at the beginning of fall. I am melting. I hate this heat and humidity.
Baud
@japa21: Probably busy eating cheese.
Kay
Now we find out that no one really gives a shit about the emails- which we knew.
germy
@Kay: Sort of like the deficit. Private emails and deficits are OK in a republican admin.
Kay
The NYTimes better put a team of 15 people on this- if we’re going by The Clinton Rules this should dominate coverage for the next year.
Can they spare us people who have no idea what they’re talking about opining on “servers” this time? That was just flat-out annoying,
Corner Stone
@Kay:
I am waiting to hear all the 15 reasons why this is *nothing* like the felony HRC committed with her emails. And why aren’t we prosecuting her already, for pete’s sake?
Omnes Omnibus
@japa21: I am okay now.
Kay
@germy:
It was almost inevitable it would come up again-after all, Clinton wasn’t the first to use private emails. She was just the one they went after for it.
Kushner will say he didn’t know what he was doing, which is the all-purpose get out of jail free card for this nepotism-dependent bunch of entitled brats.
rikyrah
@trollhattan:
It was beautiful and hit the right notes.
Kay
@Corner Stone:
24/7 blanket coverage on CNN. I’ll look for it.
“What does it SAY about Kushner that he used a private email address? ”
100,000 words, at least. Let’s really delve into the mindset behind the email address- how horrible is he that he would do this?
rikyrah
@schrodingers_cat:
Come sit by me.
I want my FALL
90 degrees in late September?
????????
Kay
@Corner Stone:
Hah! Like you’ll get an explanation. They explain nothing and are accountable to no one.
It’l be treated entirely differently and no one would dream of explaining WHY. That would imply that there are rules or standards and we know those don’t exist.
Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady)
@Kay: The RW thinking seems to be that HRC is guilty of something, so she was hiding something in those emails. That is, the crime comes first and she frustrated them by hiding the evidence. As far as they’re concerned, there’s no similar starting place for Kushner.
James Powell
@efgoldman:
No disrespect to Tom, but I meant someone like Chuck Schumer. Or someone we don’t know but who had the ear or could get the attention of the people running that shit show.
Corner Stone
@Kay: “He’s a businessman. This is how incredibly wealthy real estate moguls conduct business. There’s nothing really to this since he was just doing business and didn’t realize politics may be a little different.”
barb 2
@J R in WV:
Years ago and in another era — my dad when he was in the Navy took part in the Berlin Airlift. Planes flew from West Germany to Berlin, loaded with food, and coal etc in an unending supply route to West Berlin when Russia cut off all access to the city.
PR deserves this sort of full-scale response. For the shitgibbon to ignore the Island is unforgivable, along with the rest of his racist, misogynist stunts.
The Caribbean islands were hit hard, even the ones not in the direct path of Maria or Irma. We have friends on of the Caribbean islands that Maria thankfully skipped. But even the Tropical storm winds of Maria’s north side knocked out electricity on the island for a week. We are just now getting reports from our friends as Elec and communication lines are being restored.
Meanwhile, PR took a direct hit by Maria — the President could send help as CIC of the military. But that jackass is a racist white guy — who makes all of us cringe in shame. That creep is NOT my President — Hillary Clinton is the People’s President and she is my President. She could go away — but she loves America and she would handle this crisis with empathy and compassion.
Fuck the NYT and the news media. A bunch of useless leeches. (With apologies to biological leeches.)
Kay
I’m sort of mildly curious how long Trump, his supporters and political media are planning on carrying on the “lock her up” theme. It was disgusting and unfair during the election- now it’s just ludicrous.
They’re a joke. The President holds rallies where he and his fans chant “lock her up” about a political opponent almost a year past the election. This would be accepted regarding NO OTHER CANDIDATE than Hillary Clinton.
This is a mental illness. These people are deranged.
Baud
@Kay: I wonder whether any one will ever care that she continues to roam free.
Kay
Also, I hate to be a pest but is there some federal law enforcement or regulatory agency that can stop Trump’s low quality, sleazy hires from billing taxpayers tens of thousands of dollars for private jets?
Is this just going to continue? These people are going to continue to fly around the country in luxury on our dime?
I object. I want to file a formal complaint. I’m not paying for Kelly Anne Conway’s charter jets.
p.a.
Liberals: see, emails by conservatives. sic ’em!
Big Media: whaaaat? but you were right all this time. much ado about nothing. see! we’ve learned our lesson.
Liberals: %#!?
Big Media: you people are never satisfied. now leave us alone while we read these Washington cocktail party invites…
Baud
@Kay: I actually think the IG is looking into some of it.
japa21
@Omnes Omnibus: Never a doubt.
chris
@germy: I’ve already seen the tweet somewhere: It’s not the same, she was Secretary of State, he’s just a good boy.
Elizabelle
WaPost breaking news: Obama tried to give Zuckerberg a wake-up call over fake news on Facebook
debbie
@Teddys Person:
Golden State coach, past member of Chicago Bulls along with Michael Jordan.
Baud
@Elizabelle: Maybe that’s when he decided he should run for president himself.
Elizabelle
@Baud: I know.
I’d like to take Pinch Sulzberger and Zuckerberg and put them on a very small raft, in a sea full of hungry sharks.
Corner Stone
@Elizabelle:
How about saying something about it? Maybe? Maybe say something?
Corner Stone
@Elizabelle:
Bullshit. You sold out the US for profit motives. No more and no less.
Ruckus
@SFAW:
You are absolutely correct. People think if it’s on TV or in the paper it must be true. How do we get that idea changed? That while it may not be government propaganda it is propaganda none the less. faux news and the NYT, along with hundreds of other outlets can say anything they want, act like or even believe it’s true and no one has to be any the wiser. We say constantly that it isn’t true but does it make any difference? No it does not. Propaganda can work to change and shape minds. It’s not fast but it does work. Our media is proof of that.
But I notice that 63 million people didn’t buy it. Maybe, just maybe we can change the system. It’s a long shot but look at what is happening now, the president is a fucking lunatic, a 6 yr old spoiled brat in a 99 cent suit with bad hair and a far worse character. The nazis are coming out in the open, not sitting in their moms basement, and they are getting exposed. They walk around with nazi arm bands and people walk up and knock them out. I’m not inciting violence, the people with nazi arm bands are. The koch bros are losing in congress, because average citizens are calling, faxing writing and telling those bought and paid for assholes in congress are finding out that people really don’t like them and plan on voting for someone, anyone else if they keep up being their slimy douchebag selves. Will we win? Anyone’s guess, mine included.
OldDave
@J R in WV:
From what I’ve read the suspended antenna platform didn’t come down, but one of the two antennas on the “banana arm” underneath broke off and did some damage to the dish. The one that failed is the lower frequency ‘pole’ antenna on the left in this image.
Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady)
@Corner Stone: God, Obama was good.
Major Major Major Major
@Elizabelle: …why was zuckerberg at a meeting of world leaders in Peru?
Elizabelle
@Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady): I love PBO, but …
I think he should have rung the dinnerbell on this one.
And broached having a redo on the election. This was an illegitimate election.
tobie
@Elizabelle: Facebook also played a role in the German election today. The ultra rightwing “Alternative for Germany” party came in third with 13.5% percent of the vote, ahead of the Greens, the left party, and the business-oriented Free Democrats. AfD credits its success to help from the Russians, who pushed numerous memes and fake news stories on Facebook and twitter. Russian interference is now global.
Ruckus
@geg6:
I can see any amount of news on the internet. I don’t have TV because my last one broke and as I was in the same condition I couldn’t purchase another one. I also didn’t have cable available where I was living, hard as that is to believe. I’ve come to like the peacefulness of not being bombarded with stories that really don’t mean shit to anyone. I have netflix and amazon prime to watch shows and movies when I want.
And I am keeping up with information. What would you like to know?
OldDave
@Mary G:
To be fair, it depends on how big they are – 200 kVA generators are readily available and reasonably portable – a car couldn’t tow one but a truck probably could – they weigh about 5000 pounds.
Elizabelle
@Major Major Major Major: He’s a world leader in misinformation and regime change.
Fuck FuckerbergZ.
Ruckus
@OldDave:
Also if the pole to house wiring is out no amount of generator is going to make any difference. How many hospitals does PR have left? That and food kitchens seem to be the biggest needs for electrical power immediately.
Felony Govt (formerly Old Broad in California)
We have relatives in Puerto Rico who we still haven’t heard from. Some live in Arecibo.
It really frosts me that Shitgibbon has obviously spent the day watching, fuming about and tweeting about football games rather than doing anything to help American citizens in Puerto Rico.
SFAW
@Ruckus:
Sorry, but I have to disagree. Or, rather, I’d suggest a modification. (To follow in a moment.) But I would respectfully suggest that it’s certain propaganda-like “news” outlets which are causing the problems. How many times have we heard that certain segments don’t believe the “news” unless they get it from certain “sources.” Although far too many of those persons are a combination of fucking stupid, fucking insane, and fucking evil, I’m thinking that a bigger problem is that they also infect the “herd.” (Using a “herd immunity” analogy here.) Yeah, I might be wrong about that, but there seems to be enough anecdotal evidence that formerly-rational persons have gone around the bend after being subjected to Alex Jones, Fux, Sinclair, etc., for an extended period of time. In any event, the goal is to have the “legit” news outlets perceived as correct/accurate/honest, not have people move away from them.
I don’t have it completely worked out how to fix it, but I’ve toyed with the idea of Fux somehow being declared as Pravda-in-the-USA, rather than maintain its designation as the press. Of course, I see significant problems with that approach — if we declare Fux to be non-press, where does it stop? Ignoring the First Amendment, or trying to tailor it to a particular viewpoint — no matter how rational, and no matter how batshit insane the other side is — will not work out well in the long run.
Maybe, like Carl Spackler, I will receive total consciousness, courtesy of
Phil Silversthe Dalai Lama, and will come up with a solution, but it seems unlikely.SFAW
@Baud:
Not to worry. I’m sure Lying Littledick will ask ‘Murica’s Sheriff to get right on it.
Quantumman
@SFAW: The problem is Trump. He is an IQ black hole. Sucks the IQ right out of anyone near him. If you are around him any length of time, or listen to him for too long, your IQ will be gone.
jonas
Every accusation the Trumps threw at Hillary was only ever, pure, distilled projection. Including the one that she deserved to go to prison.
SFAW
@Quantumman:
Rupert Murdoch is a bigger part of the problem, at least over the last 20 years. His satanic nature is a big reason Lying Littledick is in the White House.
Ithink
@Major Major Major Major:
This notion is terminally annoying on my mind because the vulgar talking yam that ascended to the presidency DOES NOT communicate ideas, policy or any coherent commentary whatsoever.
He spews impulses, dispositions and demagogic energy with the aplomb of a tumbling honey bear toward a wayward hiker in the woods trying to escape its wrath. Its untenable & unbelievable that people believe Trump won because Hillary or any of the 10,000 Republican candidates ran terrible campaigns; it was because we the electorate (collectively) lowered the standards to the Earth’s core for the highest office in the known universe despite the greatest popular vote difference against the winning president-elect in our nation’s history. Its an absolute travesty that the media and so many complicit others decided to double down on the superficial instead of the substantially sustaining political issues that remain unresolved and are in every way worse by the presence of a Trump/Pence administration. I just literally can’t so me days even watch T.V. or consume any news source because their mere presence is supremely suffocating!
Ruckus
@SFAW:
Well….. I do think we are talking past each other. faux is the worst, no question, but I see all the news outlets and most newspapers going along for the ride with similar styles and the same stories. BS is not wrong, big wealth is a big part of the problem. He has no way to solve any of this though. You are right racists aren’t born, they are created. People aren’t born scared they are created. Crafting all the news for the generation that has watching TV as it’s birthright was a brilliant idea. Brilliantly evil that is. (That’s my generation BTW) How to fix it? How did it go wrong? Reverse that. If you can.
We are at a crossroads in our country. We can let the bigots win or we can win. It won’t be easy but it is doable, I think. We need a national discussion about bigotry, about the American original sin. Good luck getting the bigot in charge to go for that. Could we get a major media outlet to go along and do it? Rather doubtful, who would that be? Professional sports? We have an opening.
We have the concept of free speech along with the concept of nearly unlimited capitalism and I think that is a major issue. We can’t and don’t want to change the free speech part of that but we can change the unlimited capitalism part. Which may actually be more difficult because we are going to need to be in charge in congress and the WH for this to happen. It wouldn’t hurt if we had the SC either. Don’t get me wrong we won’t cure bigotry in any way by getting rid of unlimited capitalism but we may then be able to work on it a lot better. OTOH, if drumpf and congress keep going along the way they are, and I don’t expect any different, we may have enough people on our side to make all of that work. A boy can hope.
workworkwork
@Major Major Major Major: But Trump isn’t a very good speaker either – he yells even though he’s got a mic, his gestures are weird and off-putting, he can’t complete a thought or even a sentence.
SFAW
@Ruckus:
There’s a lot to “unpack” in your comment, and I certainly ain’t going to try — tonight, that is. But I think you and I are generally on the same page, and I agree with a lot of what you just wrote.
But, as I indicated, that’s a discussion for another time. Thanks!
Omnes Omnibus
@workworkwork: No one has said he is. He tapped into something primordial and dark in a segment of our national psyche. HRC could and would never have tried that.
Uncle Ebeneezer
@Baud: And she was great in debates. Better than Obama, and probably Bill too.
LanceThruster
The emails showing DNC corruption are the ones most damning (and least mentioned). Trump was Team Hillary’s Pied Piper. She played chicken with the fate of the nation in her pursuit of power. The MSM should absolutely go after Team Trump for the same abuses she committed.
The Nameless One
@Elizabelle: And Jack from Twitter who should have banned Trump a gazillion times by now for violation of the terms of service.
Jacel
@Kay: If I remember right, in the Executive Branch there is an Inspector General for each cabinet department who can initiate investigations, such as into Price’s overuse of private jets. But I think there isn’t an Inspector General with a White House beat.