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You are here: Home / Politics / America / These Are, Indeed, Strange Days: All the Cowboys Take a Knee

These Are, Indeed, Strange Days: All the Cowboys Take a Knee

by Adam L Silverman|  September 25, 20178:48 pm| 200 Comments

This post is in: America, Domestic Politics, Election 2016, Events, Open Threads, Politics, Popular Culture, Post-racial America, Sports, Not Normal

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Including team owner Jerry Jones!

As a statement of unity and equality, the entire Dallas Cowboys team took a knee before the national anthem. pic.twitter.com/5DsS0KFZXg

— FOX Sports: NFL (@NFLonFOX) September 26, 2017

ETA at 9:30 PM EDT: We have video!

The Cowboys and owner Jerry Jones locked arms and took a knee in unity prior to the national anthem pic.twitter.com/7kK3qVMDSo

— Sports Illustrated (@SInow) September 26, 2017

Consider this an open thread.

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  1. 1.

    Hunter Gathers

    September 25, 2017 at 8:50 pm

    He’ll never figure out that they’re protesting him, will he?

  2. 2.

    Wyrm1

    September 25, 2017 at 8:52 pm

    I have to imagine Jones did this to avoid having members of his team kneeling during the actual anthem.

  3. 3.

    Facebones

    September 25, 2017 at 8:53 pm

    You have to be a special kind of asshole to make Jerry Jones and Roger Goodell look good by comparison.

  4. 4.

    satby

    September 25, 2017 at 8:53 pm

    @Hunter Gathers: oh, he knows. That’s why he’s so focused on it. Glad to see more people doing it!

  5. 5.

    Adam L Silverman

    September 25, 2017 at 8:54 pm

    @Hunter Gathers: Jones or the President?

  6. 6.

    debbie

    September 25, 2017 at 8:54 pm

    They kneeled before the anthem and then got up before it began?

  7. 7.

    lamh36

    September 25, 2017 at 8:54 pm

    Well I’ll be damned!!

    Like I said…I CANNOT imagine if confronted by a BIG NAME player saying he was gonna kneel, that Jerry Jones would fire ANY DAMN body, and if enough of the players plan to do it…then ole Jerry

    My money says a COLLECTIVE of players, including the BIG marquee players went to Jerry and told him…we doing this…so get on board or fine us or whatever!

    Hate to say it, but it was pretty darn cunning honestly, you make a statement, but then the same folks who will be outraged won’t be able to say they kneeled DURING the anthem, which they claim is the “REAL DISRESPECT”

    They kneeled BEFORE the anthem, and as much as I hate to say it, but it was pretty darn cunning honestly, you make a statement, but then the same folks who will be outraged won’t be able to say they kneeled DURING the anthem, which they claim is the “REAL DISRESPECT”

    but I do have to give Jerry & the Cowboys their due a bit, cause I did NOT expect any form of ANYTHING…but it’s a bare minimum

  8. 8.

    chopper

    September 25, 2017 at 8:54 pm

    I’m wondering when, if ever, the point will come when trump realizes he’s at the losing end of this.

  9. 9.

    TenguPhule

    September 25, 2017 at 8:55 pm

    Including team owner Jerry Jones!

    It really is the end of days.

  10. 10.

    HRA

    September 25, 2017 at 8:55 pm

    After all these years, I am going to have to like Jerry Jones now? // Yes, for what I believe in I have to do it and admire him for doing it..

  11. 11.

    ThresherK

    September 25, 2017 at 8:55 pm

    A Wilmerite I know had, maybe a week ago, scolded NFLers for piecing and moaning because they make millions (all of them, even the practice squadders) for playing a kid’s game. He is giving up watching football.

    Is that the most useless leftier than thou bullshit anyone has heard on the subject?

  12. 12.

    TenguPhule

    September 25, 2017 at 8:55 pm

    @chopper:

    I’m wondering when, if ever, the point will come when trump realizes he’s at the losing end of this.

    First of never.

  13. 13.

    satby

    September 25, 2017 at 8:56 pm

    @chopper: count the tweets. That should tell us.

  14. 14.

    mike in dc

    September 25, 2017 at 8:56 pm

    @chopper:

    When the polls reflect it. If he takes a real hit on this, the message will gradually sink in. If he gets a short-term bump up, he’ll keep doing it.

  15. 15.

    Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady)

    September 25, 2017 at 8:56 pm

    I predict Trump will say kneeling but not during the anthem is what he wanted all along.

  16. 16.

    Jeffro

    September 25, 2017 at 8:57 pm

    It is kinda smart…I’m sure the mouth-breathers don’t know what to do…quick, Fox News, tell them whether or not this is PURE UNBRIDLED AMERICAN PATRIOTISM or TREASON OF THE HIGHEST ORDER!!!

    Never mind, Jones was there, they’re all doing it at the direction of an old white guy. I’m pretty sure I know what the dolt-right’s take on this will be…

  17. 17.

    lamh36

    September 25, 2017 at 8:57 pm

    Here’s video of the ENTIRE Cowboy team kneeling, including Jerry Jones…ole Mass Jerry looks as uncomfortable as hell, which I LOVE!!!

    https://twitter.com/SInow/status/912473528351559680

  18. 18.

    Wapiti

    September 25, 2017 at 8:58 pm

    @ThresherK: The ball players have a voice, and are speaking for others who have none. Kudos to them.

  19. 19.

    lamh36

    September 25, 2017 at 8:59 pm

    Jordon Sparks sang the anthem, writing on her hand, big enough to see: “Provers 31:8-9”

    Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves,
    for the rights of all who are destitute.
    Speak up and judge fairly;
    defend the rights of the poor and needy.

    Good for Ms Sparks!

    https://twitter.com/mrmedina/status/912477683577180160

  20. 20.

    beth

    September 25, 2017 at 9:02 pm

    Read the comments on the video – it’s all good, protesting BEFORE the anthem – MAGA! Donald will declare victory via 2am tweet. Honestly this changes nothing.

  21. 21.

    Hunter Gathers

    September 25, 2017 at 9:02 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Donnie.

  22. 22.

    Gelfling 545

    September 25, 2017 at 9:03 pm

    Well, today was my nephew’s funeral. Everybody is just pretty much exhausted from the emotions, lack of sleep, eating crap food & rushed meals – or no food, etc., etc., etc. Even though he had not much use for religion his mom is very Catholic and so there was a Mass. I figured she should have whatever made her feel better. If she had wanted maypole dancing I’d have gone along with it so I did a reading..Actually, the priest was kind of brilliant. He talked about the last scene of LOTR when Frodo departs for the Havens and takes the ship and some hurts being too deep to stay. I have to say that it was somewhat comforting.

  23. 23.

    BruceFromOhio

    September 25, 2017 at 9:04 pm

    As a statement of unity and equality, the entire Dallas Cowboys team took a knee before the national anthem.

    And that concludes this episode of Whose Dick Is Bigger! Tune in next week when the president is burned in effigy just before kickoff at Gillette Stadium!

  24. 24.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    September 25, 2017 at 9:05 pm

    @lamh36: including Jerry Jones…ole Mass Jerry looks as uncomfortable as hell, which I LOVE!!!

    I hope there was a pebble under his knee

  25. 25.

    NotMax

    September 25, 2017 at 9:05 pm

    First time the majority present weren’t busy ogling the cheerleaders.

  26. 26.

    Inventor

    September 25, 2017 at 9:06 pm

    @TenguPhule: That’s a long, long time.

  27. 27.

    Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady)

    September 25, 2017 at 9:06 pm

    @Gelfling 545: That’s a wonderful reading. It’s sad but comforting. I hope things gradually get better.

  28. 28.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 25, 2017 at 9:07 pm

    The new leftier than thou thing on Facebook is to say whatever, it’s a pro-slavery song anyway, it shouldn’t even be our national anthem, let’s get rid of it.

  29. 29.

    lamh36

    September 25, 2017 at 9:08 pm

    BTW, they STILL got booed!

    @wesleylowery
    if kneeling *before the anthem* also gets you boo’ed, doesn’t that suggest that opposition to kneeling was never about the anthem?

    https://twitter.com/WesleyLowery/status/912478153397989377

  30. 30.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    September 25, 2017 at 9:08 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: I’m sympathetic to that sentiment.

  31. 31.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    September 25, 2017 at 9:08 pm

    @Gelfling 545: I figured she should have whatever made her feel better. If she had wanted maypole dancing I’d have gone along with it so I did a reading..

    I’m sorry for you loss, and I think you are right to let his mother have the funeral she needed.

  32. 32.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 25, 2017 at 9:10 pm

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: but do you use it to dismiss the entire controversy as focusing on the wrong thing?

  33. 33.

    debbie

    September 25, 2017 at 9:11 pm

    @Gelfling 545:

    That was a nice ending. I hope his mother was comforted.

  34. 34.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    September 25, 2017 at 9:11 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:
    Nope.

  35. 35.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    September 25, 2017 at 9:11 pm

    Does anyone think trump could recite the words to the anthem without help?

  36. 36.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 25, 2017 at 9:12 pm

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: it’s also… not really a pro-slavery song, any more than the constitution is a pro-slavery document at least.

  37. 37.

    Baud

    September 25, 2017 at 9:13 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Stalin killed a lot of people so let’s reject socialism.

  38. 38.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    September 25, 2017 at 9:13 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: There are other verses than the ones that are usually sung.

  39. 39.

    Gin & Tonic

    September 25, 2017 at 9:13 pm

    @Gelfling 545:

    Actually, the priest was kind of brilliant.

    There are some Catholic priests who actually get it.

  40. 40.

    debbie

    September 25, 2017 at 9:14 pm

    Andy Borowitz:

    Poll: Americans Would Support NFL Players Kneeling on Trump

  41. 41.

    Bostondreams

    September 25, 2017 at 9:14 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    I agree we should get rid of it, but mostly because it’s a lousy anthem. So many better choices.

  42. 42.

    Baud

    September 25, 2017 at 9:14 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Stalin killed a lot of people so let’s reject socialism.

  43. 43.

    NotMax

    September 25, 2017 at 9:14 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist

    “O say, look at me…”

  44. 44.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 25, 2017 at 9:15 pm

    @Baud: well it’s actually a pretty good argument against doctrinaire Marxism of the type found in the Manifesto.

    @Bostondreams: almost every anthem sucks, I’ve listened to them. It’s weird.

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: one of which mentions a slave in passing, yes.

  45. 45.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    September 25, 2017 at 9:15 pm

    @Baud:
    National SOC*ALISM

  46. 46.

    TenguPhule

    September 25, 2017 at 9:16 pm

    @Baud:

    Stalin killed a lot of people so let’s reject socialism.

    I have never understood how the Right gaslighted Stalin into being a socialist.

    Communism, what’s that?

  47. 47.

    lamh36

    September 25, 2017 at 9:16 pm

    @lamh36: this was in Arizona…can you imagine if it was in TEXAS!!!

  48. 48.

    NotMax

    September 25, 2017 at 9:16 pm

    @Baud

    And Hitler loved dogs.

    Bye bye, Fido. Hasta la vista, Spot.

  49. 49.

    TenguPhule

    September 25, 2017 at 9:16 pm

    Stuck in Moderation and I blame Baud for it.

  50. 50.

    Baud

    September 25, 2017 at 9:17 pm

    Balloon Juice needs an anthem.

  51. 51.

    Gravenstone

    September 25, 2017 at 9:17 pm

    @lamh36: I’ll take second place to no one in my disdain and outright hatred of Jerry Jones. But he’s no spring chicken so I gotta think getting down there then back up isn’t exactly physically pleasant for him.

  52. 52.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    September 25, 2017 at 9:18 pm

    @NotMax: HA!

  53. 53.

    ? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?

    September 25, 2017 at 9:18 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:
    TBF to Marx, I doubt he would have liked Stalin’s USSR.

  54. 54.

    TenguPhule

    September 25, 2017 at 9:18 pm

    @Baud:

    Balloon Juice needs an anthem.

    One Nation, Under Tunch.

    Easily Divisible by Zero.

  55. 55.

    NotMax

    September 25, 2017 at 9:19 pm

    @Major Major Major Major

    4th verse is horribly jingoistic and religio-centric.

  56. 56.

    Baud

    September 25, 2017 at 9:19 pm

    Is anyone watching the healthcare debate on CNN? Are we getting shived?

  57. 57.

    BruceFromOhio

    September 25, 2017 at 9:20 pm

    @Baud:
    The Song Remains The Same
    Won’t Get Fooled Again.
    Wish You Were Here.

    @TenguPhule:

    Easily Divisible by Zero.

    That’s not just illegal, it’s undefined.

  58. 58.

    billcoop4

    September 25, 2017 at 9:20 pm

    @Gelfling 545:

    Well, today was my nephew’s funeral. Everybody is just pretty much exhausted from the emotions, lack of sleep, eating crap food & rushed meals – or no food, etc., etc., etc. Even though he had not much use for religion his mom is very Catholic and so there was a Mass. I figured she should have whatever made her feel better. If she had wanted maypole dancing I’d have gone along with it so I did a reading..Actually, the priest was kind of brilliant. He talked about the last scene of LOTR when Frodo departs for the Havens and takes the ship and some hurts being too deep to stay. I have to say that it was somewhat comforting.

    Much of JRRT is comforting. I will not say, do not weep. For not all tears are evil.

    And memory endures.

    BC

  59. 59.

    ThresherK

    September 25, 2017 at 9:20 pm

    @Wapiti: Yeah, but what kind of left-winger is tone-deaf enough to whinge about collective action by a bunch of guys subjecting themselves to injury and CTE and being unwilling props for RealMerca’s Patrioticisms (in the face of the rise of neo Nazi white supremacist)?

    And this guy used to be a football fan, he says.

  60. 60.

    Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho

    September 25, 2017 at 9:21 pm

    @Gelfling 545: That is an amazing priest. My thoughts are with you and your family.

  61. 61.

    Immanentize

    September 25, 2017 at 9:21 pm

    @Gelfling 545: my wife’s memorial was last Saturday. It was sweet, I had assembled what I called “Artifacts” which include photos, two pairs of her amazing shoes, a vintage hat, her mouse pad, a bottle of comparison, etc. My friends sang “Days” by the Kinks. A few friends and her brother spoke. My contribution (I was unable to talk without heaving) was this by C.S. Lewis.

  62. 62.

    TenguPhule

    September 25, 2017 at 9:21 pm

    @Baud:

    Are we getting shived?

    Depends on how you define shived and by who.

  63. 63.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 25, 2017 at 9:22 pm

    @? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: hell, Marx didn’t even like a lot of the marxists that were around by the end of his own life.

    @TenguPhule: so you’re watching?

  64. 64.

    rikyrah

    September 25, 2017 at 9:22 pm

    @Gelfling 545:
    Sorry for your loss. Know that these are hard times??

  65. 65.

    BruceFromOhio

    September 25, 2017 at 9:23 pm

    @TenguPhule: If you gotta ask, it’s already too late.

  66. 66.

    TenguPhule

    September 25, 2017 at 9:23 pm

    @BruceFromOhio:

    That’s not just illegal, it’s undefined.

    The BalloonJuice Motto!

  67. 67.

    Baud

    September 25, 2017 at 9:24 pm

    @TenguPhule: Yes.

  68. 68.

    TenguPhule

    September 25, 2017 at 9:25 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    so you’re watching?

    On and off. When it gets to the point I start wanting to scream at the monitor, I switch it off for a timeout.

  69. 69.

    geg6

    September 25, 2017 at 9:25 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    I’m not leftier than thou, but I agree that it’s racist and sucks and should be replaced.

  70. 70.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    September 25, 2017 at 9:25 pm

    @Baud: Not seeing a lot on the twitter. Maloy is pretty pro-Bernie, and Yglesias seems to be a bit curious about him

    Matthew Yglesias‏Verified account @ mattyglesias 6m6 minutes ago
    The problem with Lindsey Graham debating health policy on national television is he doesn’t know anything about it.

    Simon Maloy‏Verified account @ SimonMaloy 6m6 minutes ago
    split-screening a CNN healthcare debate and Twitter simultaneously on my mobile telephone

    folks, the future is here and it’s fucking awful

  71. 71.

    lamh36

    September 25, 2017 at 9:25 pm

    @Gravenstone: Oh sure…don’t mean I WON’T enjoy his pain…it’s petty, but… sometimes it be’s that way…LOL

  72. 72.

    trollhattan

    September 25, 2017 at 9:26 pm

    @BruceFromOhio:
    “Fat Man in the Bathtub” first song on the blogfather’s favorite record.

    Just sayin’. Also, too, no mops.

  73. 73.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 25, 2017 at 9:26 pm

    @TenguPhule: sounds like a fun time. I’m glad somebody is watching.

    @Gelfling 545: that sounds like a good priest. Hang in there.

  74. 74.

    Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho

    September 25, 2017 at 9:26 pm

    @Immanentize #61:

    That sounds beautiful. I’m so very sorry for your loss, and you are in my thoughts.

  75. 75.

    rikyrah

    September 25, 2017 at 9:26 pm

    @Immanentize:
    I know that this is a hard time for you and little Imma. I hope that with each day the pain lessens. Sending you positive thoughts and prayers.

  76. 76.

    HinTN

    September 25, 2017 at 9:26 pm

    @lamh36: THIS

  77. 77.

    Another Scott

    September 25, 2017 at 9:27 pm

    Haven’t had time to keep up with all the threads today…

    ObOpenThread – Northern Command update on hurricane response:

    17-021 | September 25, 2017

    PETERSON AFB, Colo. —

    U.S. Northern Command continues to provide 24-hour operations to the Federal Emergency Management Agency and the governments of Puerto Rico and U.S. Virgin Islands and remains fully engaged in disaster relief and medical assistance to the areas affected by Hurricanes Irma and Maria.

    Puerto Rico:
    • The USS Kearsarge Amphibious Ready Group has conducted a combined eight medical evacuations, 148 airlifts and delivered 44,177 lbs of relief supplies and cargo to Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands since Hurricane Maria struck.

    • The U.S. Air Forces’ strategic airlift missions more than doubled between Saturday and Sunday and will remain high over the coming days delivering critical supplies and capabilities to Puerto Rico. Eight C-17 Globemaster aircraft are delivering relief supplies and a Disaster Management Assessment Team to San Juan as they continue to support the U.S. Virgin Islands. The Air Force is also further increasing airport throughput capacity in San Juan by assisting the Federal Aviation Administration with air traffic control repairs.

    • The DoD’s U.S. Transportation Command is moving additional personnel and equipment to include eight Army UH-60 helicopters from Ft. Campbell, K.Y. to the San Juan, Puerto Rico International Airport to increase distribution capacity.

    • DoD has delivered three FEMA Urban Search and Rescue teams to Puerto Rico.

    […]

    It’s a pitiful start, but it is a start. We need to keep up the pressure so that our government acts.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  78. 78.

    TenguPhule

    September 25, 2017 at 9:27 pm

    And its timeout time for CNN.

    Fucking Graham just claimed the biggest winner of ACA was the insurance companies.

  79. 79.

    ThresherK

    September 25, 2017 at 9:27 pm

    @Gelfling 545: I am glad for the comfort you could find in this time.

  80. 80.

    TenguPhule

    September 25, 2017 at 9:28 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    sounds like a fun time. I’m glad somebody is watching.

    Please switch with me.

  81. 81.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 25, 2017 at 9:29 pm

    @TenguPhule: I’m on a train and at any rate don’t have cable.

  82. 82.

    Adam L Silverman

    September 25, 2017 at 9:29 pm

    @lamh36: I’m going to add this up top. Thanks!

  83. 83.

    Baud

    September 25, 2017 at 9:29 pm

    I was looking up the national anthem and came upon these cool facts:

    *North American bison is adopted as the national mammal of the United States.
    *The flower commonly known as the rose is the national floral emblem.
    *The composition by John Philip Sousa entitled “The Stars and Stripes Forever” is the national march.
    *The tree genus Quercus, commonly known as the oak tree, is the national tree.

  84. 84.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 25, 2017 at 9:29 pm

    @Baud: This would work.

  85. 85.

    Tilda Swintons Bald Cap

    September 25, 2017 at 9:30 pm

    These are actual tweets, hot of the tweeter…

    Texas & Florida are doing great but Puerto Rico, which was already suffering from broken infrastructure & massive debt, is in deep trouble..

    …owed to Wall Street and the banks which, sadly, must be dealt with. Food, water and medical are top priorities – and doing well.

  86. 86.

    trollhattan

    September 25, 2017 at 9:30 pm

    @TenguPhule:
    Did not know there are 20 million insurance companies.

  87. 87.

    NotMax

    September 25, 2017 at 9:30 pm

    OT:

    Wow, an ad for Doan’s Pills just now on MSNBC. Haven’t seen a mention of those in many, many, many a moon.

    Guess that Carter’s Little Liver Pills and Geritol aren’t far behind.

  88. 88.

    beth

    September 25, 2017 at 9:30 pm

    Well, Donald Trump finally tweeted about Puerto Rico – what a fucking asshole, that is all.

  89. 89.

    Baud

    September 25, 2017 at 9:31 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: I like it. You can dance to it.

  90. 90.

    Adam L Silverman

    September 25, 2017 at 9:31 pm

    @Gelfling 545: My sincerest condolences. We’re keeping good thoughts for you and your family.

  91. 91.

    Immanentize

    September 25, 2017 at 9:31 pm

    @Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho: @rikyrah:
    Then, yesterday, my MiL (Julie’s mom) died also of stomach cancer. I can barely get my head above the flood.

  92. 92.

    Ohio Mom

    September 25, 2017 at 9:32 pm

    @Immanentize: Oh, I know that “invisible blanket.” What a great description of that sensation, and what a moving excerpt. Grief really is a different place.

    I hope the memorial service was what you needed it to be, and that it provided you with small moments and conversations that will provide strength and comfort going forward.

  93. 93.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    September 25, 2017 at 9:33 pm

    @TenguPhule: Fucking Graham just claimed the biggest winner of ACA was the insurance companies.

    A public option would be a great way to fuck with them

  94. 94.

    lamh36

    September 25, 2017 at 9:33 pm

    This MUTHAPHUCKA!!!

    @realDonaldTrump
    Blocked
    More
    Texas & Florida are doing great but Puerto Rico, which was already suffering from broken infrastructure & massive debt, is in deep trouble..

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/912478274508423168

    what da holy FUQ!!! He FINALLY tweets bout PR and this is what da FUQ he tweets!

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/912478274508423168

  95. 95.

    Immanentize

    September 25, 2017 at 9:33 pm

    @TenguPhule:
    Nothing is true. Everything is permitted.

  96. 96.

    HinTN

    September 25, 2017 at 9:33 pm

    @BruceFromOhio: The places where the function blows up are where it gets interesting.

  97. 97.

    eric

    September 25, 2017 at 9:34 pm

    @Immanentize: omg…..i did not know. i am so sorry for your loss. i dont have words for times like these.

  98. 98.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 25, 2017 at 9:34 pm

    @Immanentize: whoa, that’s crazy, on top of everything else! Ugh, so sorry.

  99. 99.

    chris

    September 25, 2017 at 9:34 pm

    Such a horrid little man! The shit gibbon on Puerto Rico:

    Trump's message on Puerto Rico – things were bad there before the hurricane – is quite different from his prior words on Florida and Texas. pic.twitter.com/QxIqHv2SJu— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) 26 September 2017

    ETA Late as usual

  100. 100.

    Frankensteinbeck

    September 25, 2017 at 9:34 pm

    @TenguPhule:
    I can’t imagine anything Graham says on CNN making the slightest difference to his getting votes for GC, so I don’t care. He’s a supreme, world-class asshole, and he’s never going to be honest about anything.

  101. 101.

    Baud

    September 25, 2017 at 9:35 pm

    @Immanentize: Sorry, dude.

  102. 102.

    tobie

    September 25, 2017 at 9:35 pm

    @TenguPhule: Did Amy Klobuchar have a chance to speak at all or was she drowned out by the guys?

  103. 103.

    NotMax

    September 25, 2017 at 9:35 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus

    Appreciate the effort it took not to succumb to Rickrolling.

    ;)

  104. 104.

    marv

    September 25, 2017 at 9:35 pm

    I’ll tell you what would change the world – and I don’t kid myself that it could happen – would be for the University of Alabama football team, in toto, arm in arm, take a knee this Saturday. Long ago in the ’70’s I played with strong, conscious black athletes and I have wondered over the last ten years or so how the parents and now grandparents of elite young black athletes could justify their sons going to a school where the fan base questioned Obama’s very citizenship. NOT making any value judgments – I’m just sayin’.

  105. 105.

    eclare

    September 25, 2017 at 9:36 pm

    @lamh36: Awesome!

  106. 106.

    MomSense

    September 25, 2017 at 9:36 pm

    @Gelfling 545:

    I’m really glad your family had a thoughtful, comforting funeral. I know there are many hard days ahead for all of you. Keeping you in my thoughts.
    ((((((Gelfling 545)))))))

  107. 107.

    BruceFromOhio

    September 25, 2017 at 9:36 pm

    @Gelfling 545: Peace be with you.

    @Immanentize: May Gaia bless your lands, your loves, and your lives.

  108. 108.

    jl

    September 25, 2017 at 9:36 pm

    @Baud:

    Sounds like an incomplete list, but wiki says same thing/
    No national reptile, national amphibian, national fern? No national dish? (hot dog, hamburger, pizza, taco or egg roll?) Insect? Rock?
    And no national hobo party candidate for president?
    What are we, some rinky dink obscure little country, like Nambia?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_symbols_of_the_United_States

    Edit: Trump should spend his time on finding suitable national symbols. We know already what the national vodka, steak, spring water, and hotel/resort chain will be. After he dashes that off, he can get to work on the national dairy cow breed.

    And national fish. I nominate Lake Whitefish (or guppies, whaterver, maybe Trump as a line of goldfish….)

  109. 109.

    Adam L Silverman

    September 25, 2017 at 9:36 pm

    @Immanentize: And we’re keeping good thoughts for you all as well.

  110. 110.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 25, 2017 at 9:37 pm

    @NotMax:

    Pinkham’s Vegetable Compound

  111. 111.

    eclare

    September 25, 2017 at 9:37 pm

    @Gelfling 545: I read what happened on an old thread, so sorry for you and your family.

  112. 112.

    tobie

    September 25, 2017 at 9:37 pm

    @chris: OMG…He’s doing the equivalent of slut-shaming Puerto Rico. It’s all the island’s fault. Gawd, I hate him.

  113. 113.

    TenguPhule

    September 25, 2017 at 9:38 pm

    @Immanentize: Glad to see you’re getting back into the game.

  114. 114.

    Ohio Mom

    September 25, 2017 at 9:38 pm

    @Immanentize: Oh dear. I am sorry — especially because it is another big loss for little Imm, and that is a lot for a child.

    You two will get through this, as overwhelming as it seems now.

  115. 115.

    Feathers

    September 25, 2017 at 9:38 pm

    Can we switch to America the Beautiful for our anthem now?

    Grew up in NoVa. Not really a skins fan anymore, except happy on behalf of my sis, but the happiness when the Cowboys lose is still there.

    True story. The parish priest growing up was a huge Skins fan. Held viewing parties at the rectory, and accepted invitations from parishioners with large TVs. One Sunday that they were playing the Cowboys a wiseass in the folk group called out “For the Cowboys” during the intersessions. Good old Father Casey went red in the face and bellowed “And the Redskins!” There was much laughter to go along with the “Amen”. (Hope I can be forgiven the one use of the horrible full name.)

  116. 116.

    TenguPhule

    September 25, 2017 at 9:39 pm

    @Immanentize: Damn. Condolences.

  117. 117.

    NotMax

    September 25, 2017 at 9:39 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus

    That Lydia was a real wildcat at parties.

  118. 118.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 25, 2017 at 9:40 pm

    @Gelfling 545: @Immanentize: My sympathies are with both of you.

  119. 119.

    TenguPhule

    September 25, 2017 at 9:40 pm

    @tobie: Hard to tell. Its a fucking shitfest.

  120. 120.

    BruceFromOhio

    September 25, 2017 at 9:40 pm

    @trollhattan: A mop with a circle-slash could be the National Logo. AND it fits on a bumper sticker.

  121. 121.

    TenguPhule

    September 25, 2017 at 9:41 pm

    WTF SANDERS?!

    YOU AGREE WITH THAT SHIT GRAHAM?!!!

    JFC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  122. 122.

    Another Scott

    September 25, 2017 at 9:41 pm

    @Immanentize: I’m very sorry, Imm. Even more condolences to you and yours.

    Best wishes,
    Scott.

  123. 123.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 25, 2017 at 9:41 pm

    @NotMax: Verily, there are songs about her.

  124. 124.

    Baud

    September 25, 2017 at 9:41 pm

    @TenguPhule: About what?

  125. 125.

    Frankensteinbeck

    September 25, 2017 at 9:41 pm

    @tobie:
    He’s a hardcore white supremacist. He hears the name ‘Puerto Rico’, and he pictures brown people. No further information is necessary.

  126. 126.

    satby

    September 25, 2017 at 9:42 pm

    @Gelfling 545: After a friend killed himself a few years after high school, the priest at his mass said in the eulogy that mental illness is a hell on earth for the sufferers, and that a loving God would never hold their despair and pain against them. It gave great comfort to his family, and I hope the service today gave you and your family the same comfort. May he rest in peace now his suffering is over.

  127. 127.

    BruceFromOhio

    September 25, 2017 at 9:42 pm

    @Feathers:

    Can we switch to America the Beautiful for our anthem now?

    This x 16 jillion. Or This Land Is Your Land.

    Sousa sounds just too … militant, or something. Not that its bad, just misplaced as an anthem.

  128. 128.

    TenguPhule

    September 25, 2017 at 9:43 pm

    @Baud: That “Obamacare benefited insurance companies the most”

    That’s it, I’m stepping out before I break something.

  129. 129.

    Feathers

    September 25, 2017 at 9:43 pm

    @Gelfling 545: So sorry for you. Glad there was a good Mass. Hope it helped his mother. Just learned that my uncle has gone to comfort measures only. He is in his 80’s with 16 grandchildren and a long battle with Parkinson’s so the funeral will be a very different affair.

  130. 130.

    eclare

    September 25, 2017 at 9:43 pm

    @Immanentize: Oh, so sorry to hear about that. Hoping for peace for you and your family.

  131. 131.

    chris

    September 25, 2017 at 9:44 pm

    Is the President of the United States saying that the mammoth hurricane damage is Puerto Rico’s fault? https://t.co/HHjdne94o9— Samantha Power (@SamanthaJPower) 26 September 2017

    ETA Meant to answer tobie

  132. 132.

    Tarragon

    September 25, 2017 at 9:44 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    almost every anthem sucks, I’ve listened to them. It’s weird.

    I really like O Canada.

  133. 133.

    dmsilev

    September 25, 2017 at 9:44 pm

    @TenguPhule: Agreed about what?

    Edit: OK, you answered above. Christ, what an asshole.

    (both Sanders and Graham)

  134. 134.

    Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho

    September 25, 2017 at 9:44 pm

    @Immanentize: Damn. I hope you and little Imma can get through this season of grief. If I can help with any research/syllabus/planning tasks (or anything else that could be useful & done remotely), Adam can get my email to you.

  135. 135.

    Ohio Mom

    September 25, 2017 at 9:44 pm

    @Gelfling 545: My condolences to you and yours. Please take good care of yourself — eat a good meal and get some sleep now that the rush is over.

  136. 136.

    debbie

    September 25, 2017 at 9:45 pm

    @Immanentize:

    What a beautiful quote.

  137. 137.

    satby

    September 25, 2017 at 9:45 pm

    @Immanentize: {{{ Immanentize }}}

  138. 138.

    Tilda Swintons Bald Cap

    September 25, 2017 at 9:45 pm

    @TenguPhule: Bernie, the gift that keeps on giving.

  139. 139.

    TS

    September 25, 2017 at 9:45 pm

    @TenguPhule: Yep – not much space between Sanders and Trump

  140. 140.

    CaseyL

    September 25, 2017 at 9:46 pm

    @Gelfling 545: That’s an important point, that funerals are for the mourners more than for the deceased. I hope you and your family find some comfort to keep with you.

    @Immanentize: Holy hell, that’s awful. I’m so sorry.

  141. 141.

    Davebo

    September 25, 2017 at 9:46 pm

    I hate the Cowgirls with a white hot fire but have to admit this was a good way of handling the shitpile Trump laid on Sunday afternoons. As for the Steelers, sorry John, they totally blew it and have been coming up with fantasies since then to explain “what they really wanted to do”…

  142. 142.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 25, 2017 at 9:47 pm

    @jl: we don’t even have a national language.

    @Tarragon: it’s one of the better ones.

  143. 143.

    Baud

    September 25, 2017 at 9:47 pm

    @TenguPhule: Bernie helped Trump the most.

  144. 144.

    MomSense

    September 25, 2017 at 9:47 pm

    @Immanentize

    I wish you and Immp didn’t have to go through this pain. Keeping you both in my thoughts. ((((((Imms))))))

  145. 145.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    September 25, 2017 at 9:48 pm

    @TenguPhule: that’s why, whatever the issue, however he ultimately votes, the old fool is toxic

  146. 146.

    MomSense

    September 25, 2017 at 9:48 pm

    @Immanentize:

    Oh no. I’m so sorry.

  147. 147.

    NotMax

    September 25, 2017 at 9:49 pm

    @Major Major Major Major

    There are fleeting moments when one suspects we don’t have a national nation.

  148. 148.

    Baud

    September 25, 2017 at 9:49 pm

    @TenguPhule: I guess there’s the shiv.

  149. 149.

    debbie

    September 25, 2017 at 9:50 pm

    @Immanentize:

    Literally, there are no words. I hope you and your Immp can get through this together.

  150. 150.

    schrodingers_cat

    September 25, 2017 at 9:51 pm

    @Baud: And even now he is helping the Republicans. Kick him to the curb before 2018 or it will be a repeat of 2016.

  151. 151.

    Brendancalling

    September 25, 2017 at 9:51 pm

    @Wyrm1: small victories are better than no victories

  152. 152.

    Duane

    September 25, 2017 at 9:52 pm

    When wingnut head’s explode simultaneous to them spinning, the sound is overwhelming.

  153. 153.

    schrodingers_cat

    September 25, 2017 at 9:53 pm

    @Baud: सत्यमेव जयते, we may be jackals but we are honest.

  154. 154.

    A Ghost to Most

    September 25, 2017 at 9:55 pm

    @trollhattan:
    As much as I love “Fat Man in the Bathtub”, and we go way back, I would propose something more timely: “Hope the High Road”, by Jason Isbell.

  155. 155.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 25, 2017 at 9:56 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: I guess I know what the next leftier than thou meme will be. “Even Lindsay Graham and Bernie Sanders agree that Obama is a neoliberal whore! Drones!!”

  156. 156.

    Immanentize

    September 25, 2017 at 9:57 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: @Baud:
    But wait!! As they say on TV — There is more!
    My best friend (from work) was helping me with everything. She was helping me sort and dispose of J’s clothing, arranging the caterer for the memorial, bringing me wine…. Her amazing, smart, renown, healthy, fit husband died a week before the memorial for J. at an NIH conference in DC — massive, unexpected heart attack. So, he died Friday, his funeral was Monday, I sat shiva with my friend and her kids on Wednesday, my wife’s memorial was Saturday and my wife’s mother died one week later of the same disease that took my wife. All true.

    This supports my personal denial theory that it is I who died on November 9th and you all are living in my own personal purgatory. You are avatars all. In the ‘real?’ world I am dead, my family is still grieving but have mostly moved on and Hillary is President being threatened with impeachment in the House. This would all be an acceptable escape delusion/reality if I didn’t have a sweet son who needs both his father and his cat. “So much depends on an orange tiger cat.” I am not kidding about the cat.

    I am very tired.

  157. 157.

    Baud

    September 25, 2017 at 9:57 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: To Facebook, stat!

  158. 158.

    Pluky

    September 25, 2017 at 9:57 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: The Japanese national anthem is quite nice (played it in HS band when my dad was stationed at Camp Zama).

  159. 159.

    Doug R

    September 25, 2017 at 9:58 pm

    @Tarragon: O Canada lyrics were even changed to be more inclusive a couple of times

  160. 160.

    Baud

    September 25, 2017 at 9:59 pm

    @Immanentize: Get some rest. We’ll be here tomorrow.

  161. 161.

    lamh36

    September 25, 2017 at 10:00 pm

    @BarackObama
    Following
    More
    Barack Obama Retweeted Joe Biden
    Prosecutor, soldier, family man, citizen. Beau made us want to be better. What a legacy to leave. What a testament to @JoeBiden.
    https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/912460861758955523

    @JoeBiden
    Following
    More
    Beau fought to protect the most vulnerable among us. Thanks to my friend @barackobama for honoring his life’s work with the @BeauBidenFdn.

    https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/912459460316188673

  162. 162.

    Gin & Tonic

    September 25, 2017 at 10:00 pm

    @Immanentize: You have a tough row to hoe. I wish you the best.

  163. 163.

    Emma

    September 25, 2017 at 10:01 pm

    @Immanentize: @Gelfling 545: I have been distancing myself from the news lately, so I didn’t know about these terrible events in your lives, but I want you to know that whatever little peace and grace I have I am sending to you in my prayers.

  164. 164.

    Adam L Silverman

    September 25, 2017 at 10:01 pm

    @Immanentize: Hang in there. Send up a flare if you need anything, if we can do anything for you.

  165. 165.

    JPL

    September 25, 2017 at 10:03 pm

    @Immanentize: I wish you could feel the hugs that I’m giving you. Please remember that we are here for you.

  166. 166.

    A Ghost to Most

    September 25, 2017 at 10:04 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: I used to know a filthy song about Lydia Pinkham and her special sauce, but it seems to have gone.

  167. 167.

    MomSense

    September 25, 2017 at 10:06 pm

    @Immanentize:

    Sending another big hug to your friend and some skritches for the cat. Please try and rest.

  168. 168.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 25, 2017 at 10:07 pm

    @A Ghost to Most: I know it from rugby.

  169. 169.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 25, 2017 at 10:09 pm

    @Immanentize: yeesh! Hugs to you and scritches to the cat along with everybody else.

  170. 170.

    schrodingers_cat

    September 25, 2017 at 10:10 pm

    @Immanentize: Thank ceiling cat for tiger cats! I have two brown tabby and an orange tabby, they are both adorable, although ginger kitteh is as sweet as can be. {{{ }}}

  171. 171.

    A Ghost to Most

    September 25, 2017 at 10:13 pm

    @Immanentize: Hang in there. I believe you about the cat.
    The three of you can draw strength together. Peace.

  172. 172.

    catclub

    September 25, 2017 at 10:13 pm

    @Baud: also broccoli mandate.

  173. 173.

    Elizabelle

    September 25, 2017 at 10:14 pm

    @Immanentize: I’m dreadfully sorry for the enormous losses you and your close friend have suffered. But talk about having someone on the same wavelength.

    This has been an awful year for you. I am glad you are here with us. Best to you, Immson, and the comfort kitteh.

  174. 174.

    LosGatosCA

    September 25, 2017 at 10:16 pm

    @chopper:

    He’s not losing.

    His properties are raking it in. The base elected him to keep them amused. They are getting their money’s worth.

    The rest of us knew he was a monstrous racist, misogynist creep – but that’s a feature from people who live by cleek’s law.

  175. 175.

    different-church-lady

    September 25, 2017 at 10:20 pm

    @BruceFromOhio:

    Or This Land Is Your Land.

    Kindly wait until I am dead, please and thank you.

  176. 176.

    Isobel

    September 25, 2017 at 10:22 pm

    @immanentize and @Gelfling 545:
    I am so sorry for your losses and will be keeping you both in my thoughts

  177. 177.

    efgoldman

    September 25, 2017 at 10:23 pm

    @BruceFromOhio:

    Sousa sounds just too … militant, or something. Not that its bad, just misplaced as an anthem.

    There are lyrics for Stars & Stripes. The later verses are violent, miitaristic, and racist.

  178. 178.

    efgoldman

    September 25, 2017 at 10:26 pm

    @CaseyL:

    funerals are for the mourners more than for the deceased.

    Which reminds me, I have to prepare the instructions for the inevitable, whenever it is, for my daughter. Not that I’ll know the difference.

  179. 179.

    DRickard

    September 25, 2017 at 10:29 pm

    Tarnation! Now I’m going to have to feel qualified, bounded hatred for Jerry Jones…

  180. 180.

    Sasha

    September 25, 2017 at 10:30 pm

    When you’ve lost the Dallas Cowboys …

  181. 181.

    BruceFromOhio

    September 25, 2017 at 10:32 pm

    @efgoldman: Well, shit, press 50,000 copies, we’ll give ’em to Sinclair. That’s the ticket!

  182. 182.

    A Ghost to Most

    September 25, 2017 at 10:35 pm

    @trollhattan:
    Listening to live “Fat Man” now. Thanks for the earworm (really).

  183. 183.

    NotMax

    September 25, 2017 at 10:50 pm

    @schrodingers_cat

    Trust but snarlify.

  184. 184.

    different-church-lady

    September 25, 2017 at 10:58 pm

    I feel the need to write an essay entitled, “So Donald Trump Tricked You Into Hating Football”

  185. 185.

    joel hanes

    September 25, 2017 at 10:58 pm

    @Baud:

    Balloon Juice needs an anthem.

    A Single Desultory Phillipic, Or How I Was Robert MacNamara’ed Into Submission.

    The Feel-Like-I’m-Fixin’-To-Die Rag
    (and it’s one two three, what’re we fighting for?)

  186. 186.

    Elizabelle

    September 25, 2017 at 10:58 pm

    @efgoldman: Not for ages and ages, for the ceremony.

    Glad you are getting some granddaughter time. Hope you and Mrs. efg are good to visit DC again before too long. We will hang out.

  187. 187.

    joel hanes

    September 25, 2017 at 11:00 pm

    @trollhattan:

    first song on the blogfather’s favorite record.

    Willin’, the best (with stiff competition) song on the blogfather’s favorite record album.

  188. 188.

    Elizabelle

    September 25, 2017 at 11:00 pm

    @Facebones:

    You have to be a special kind of asshole to make Jerry Jones and Roger Goodell look good by comparison.

    Well said. Laughing, but it’s true.

  189. 189.

    cain

    September 25, 2017 at 11:13 pm

    @Gelfling 545: Sorry for your loss. The priest was brilliant that was a good analogy.

  190. 190.

    Jeffro

    September 25, 2017 at 11:15 pm

    Whoa nellie, easy there Ms. Rampell, you’re sounding a little…shrill: ‘Reasonable’ Republicans Are Betraying Us Too

    Trump may be a toddler, we keep telling ourselves, but at least some (comparative) grown-ups on Capitol Hill are thinking things through. Maybe we don’t agree with them all the time; maybe they have a different vision for the role of government than many of us do. Still, at least a few thoughtful, moderate, principled, solutions-oriented people in the legislature are working to offset the White House’s abdication of policy leadership.

    The flaming turd that is Cassidy-Graham should disabuse us all of that notion.

    What’s been threatening the health-care coverage of tens of millions of Americans isn’t Trump. It’s the entire Republican Party.

    This garbage bill, currently looking dead but with a few days left to revive itself, should teach us two things: Republicans don’t care about process, and they don’t care about policy. You could be forgiven for also concluding, as they’ve increasingly suggested this week, that they don’t care about regular Americans, either

    YEOWCH!

  191. 191.

    Darkrose

    September 25, 2017 at 11:56 pm

    @Immanentize: My deepest condolences. My thoughts are with you and yours.

  192. 192.

    Darkrose

    September 25, 2017 at 11:56 pm

    @Gelfling 545: My condolences, and I’ll be thinking of you.

  193. 193.

    Humdog

    September 25, 2017 at 11:59 pm

    @Immanentize: Oh my, Imm, I am so sorry for your double loss. I lost my mother and six months later my grandfather when I was seven. You somehow get through the first year, numb if you are lucky. Please be kind to yourself and child. Anger will burst out at the strangest times but getting through it together will be what you remember years later.

  194. 194.

    Amir Khalid

    September 26, 2017 at 12:46 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    I clicked on your link and YouTube told me “This video is not available.”

  195. 195.

    gbbalto

    September 26, 2017 at 5:31 am

    @Immanentize: Oh, man – my condolences – my best wishes for getting through this

  196. 196.

    gbbalto

    September 26, 2017 at 5:36 am

    @Gelfling 545: My condolences and hope for peace for you and your family.

  197. 197.

    Steeplejack

    September 26, 2017 at 6:53 am

    @Amir Khalid:

    It’s “Nazi Punks Fuck Off” by the Dead Kennedys.

  198. 198.

    Uncle Cosmo

    September 26, 2017 at 8:36 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    We’ll drink a drink a drink
    To Lily the Pink, the Pink, the Pink,
    The savior o-of the human ra-ha-hace!
    She invented Medicinal Compound,
    ‘Twas efficacious in every case!

    Final verse:

    Lily died and she went to heaven,
    All the church bells they did ri-hi-hing.
    She took with her Medicinal Compound –
    Hark! the herald angels sing…

  199. 199.

    WaterGirl

    September 26, 2017 at 9:33 am

    @Immanentize: Oh, Imm. I have no words, just tears streaming down my face. Peace.

  200. 200.

    Uncle Cosmo

    September 26, 2017 at 11:32 am

    @Gelfling 545: @Immanentize: Words fail miserably as always. I feel so badly for you both. No one should have to endure such sorrows,

    (PS I’m sorry – I must have missed the background to both of your tribulations while struggling with PC & net issues over the last month. I won’t ask for a recap & risk reopening the wounds …but if anyone can provide one or more links to earlier threads/posts that I could look at I’d be most grateful.)

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